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Speaker 1: elite lyricists, when I say top five, when I say
Speaker 1: go I was the goat ring on. I was anticipating
Speaker 1: the goat ring um. But when it comes to lyricists,
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, staying relevant, you know,
Speaker 1: sending the test of time, not only uh looking young,
Speaker 1: feeling young and acting young and out here looking good.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, been through different errors, still
Speaker 1: the tests of top still here and he's on the
Speaker 1: illest press run I've ever seen his whole career. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that Alan and he one
Speaker 1: is uh cheap. They are showing they asked with his
Speaker 1: projects today because they got him everywhere, I mean, and
Speaker 1: with the coronavirus. I do it and stop. This guy's everywhere,
Speaker 1: I mean, from the morning shows or wherever. And I
Speaker 1: really appreciate I really seeing the reinvention. I really really
Speaker 1: see the relevance of what's going on right now. If
Speaker 1: you don't know what my voice the this is a
Speaker 1: phenomenal running I'm seeing you on like, you know, besides
Speaker 1: the album being classic, just you know great, I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, as a media guy, had to you know,
Speaker 1: go on and click and see where you was at everywhere.
Speaker 1: This is a great one. I think this is like,
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the biggest since I've seen
Speaker 1: the years. Uh, how do you feel about that? I
Speaker 1: feel good about it. Feel good about it. I Mean.
Speaker 1: The important thing for me, man, it's just to make
Speaker 1: sure that I um, I try to stay as in
Speaker 1: control of the narrative as possible, you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I drive the point home
Speaker 1: every opportunity that I get I'll make sure that I
Speaker 1: let everybody know that it's honor and the privilege to
Speaker 1: be here. And you know, just set good examples, set
Speaker 1: good examples, be positive, and and just hit as many
Speaker 1: as many outlets as possible. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I want to show. I want to show the young
Speaker 1: is that it's cool to just be yourself. It's cool
Speaker 1: to do it without the antics. It's cool to just
Speaker 1: make it about the reps. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like that l A Leaka's freestyle, I'm not going bue
Speaker 1: that was so disrespectful than man. It was just like
Speaker 1: it was like I felt like he was a wrestler.
Speaker 1: It was just you was just like I feel like
Speaker 1: he was the snake and Buddhist, the barber's beefcake at
Speaker 1: the same time. It just was just like you just
Speaker 1: was showing these young boys, this is how you rap.
Speaker 1: Like he was just it wasn't let me just tell
Speaker 1: you something. It wasn't much so of what you were
Speaker 1: saying and how you were saying, And it was the
Speaker 1: comfortable you understand what I'm saying, Like so many people
Speaker 1: when they comfortable, it was like I can tell you
Speaker 1: it's just you had to your what is the call
Speaker 1: of sports jackets? Jacket on you? It's just like like,
Speaker 1: like does it come that easy for you after all
Speaker 1: these years? It's hard memorize, That's what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: hard to memorize. I mean it took it took a
Speaker 1: long time. Some of it I wrote on the plane.
Speaker 1: You know where l A leakers they want you to
Speaker 1: do like a few takes so they can get different angles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't going up. There's my friends, but I ain't
Speaker 1: trying to give eighty nine balls. But wrote some of
Speaker 1: it on the plane, some of it. Some of it
Speaker 1: was just bars I had in my phone and I
Speaker 1: just kind of pieced it together and just kept listening
Speaker 1: to it over and over and over again. Always have
Speaker 1: a problem. I always have a problem memor You're killing
Speaker 1: me with it. And I thought it was up. But
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just up for it, man, you know
Speaker 1: what you just the last time, the last time I
Speaker 1: did something, I did flex, you know, shout out the flex.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't done anything since then. So I just
Speaker 1: really wanted to like, do you be tiring people like
Speaker 1: asked you to because now, especially after that someone everyone
Speaker 1: is gonna want to respect that for their show like everyone.
Speaker 1: I don't. Man, I feel bad saying no manically where
Speaker 1: it's like especially when it's like sway, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like cosmic card, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I feel bad saying no man. But it's like
Speaker 1: if I can't, if it can't be like at least
Speaker 1: close to a moment. Man, I don't want to put
Speaker 1: myself in that position because I know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm capable of doing, and I hate to just do
Speaker 1: some half has ship for somebody. You know that I'm
Speaker 1: not prepared to do. And I'm always like prepping for
Speaker 1: so many different things, so it's hard to just trust me. Man.
Speaker 1: I did the l A Leakers thing. I took it
Speaker 1: hit in another area. Probably hit you because because not
Speaker 1: because I did. Um, I did a show. I did
Speaker 1: a show in Detroit. It's like, um, the Allegory show,
Speaker 1: and I went up there. I forgot that I forgot
Speaker 1: to wrap into a couple of songs up there because
Speaker 1: he was so much focused on Lea. I just didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I just didn't have rehearsal days. Something that you made
Speaker 1: up like, um, it was hashtags on Instagram. You made up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this is every
Speaker 1: time a girl like I just seen Lorie Harvey, there
Speaker 1: was like, Hi Lorie Harvey, and take dinks back to
Speaker 1: Hi Rihanna. Let's let's take us through that course because
Speaker 1: why why did you feel like you had to say
Speaker 1: hi Yana fifteen thousand times? Um? And it was and
Speaker 1: it's for some how it worked. Damn. I can't even
Speaker 1: remember what I was thinking at the time when I
Speaker 1: wrote it, when I wrote I wrote that, though I
Speaker 1: wrote that for ya wrote that. I wrote that for
Speaker 1: that okay, and you had the whole award saying and
Speaker 1: then now it's a half tack. Yeah. I just wanted
Speaker 1: it to be catchy, you know, I'm just wanting I
Speaker 1: was just trying to come up with something catchy, you know,
Speaker 1: the same way you know, did we write songs, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I just wanted to, um
Speaker 1: write something that I felt like it was for that
Speaker 1: moment that was that was plausible for that moment, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Brianna was hot at the time.
Speaker 1: She's still yeah, I mean, it's just you know, I
Speaker 1: just was that your shot at her, like you thought
Speaker 1: you thought she was gonna like d MU or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was sticking at that's what.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was giving myself. But I
Speaker 1: mean not just um. I think I was just expressing
Speaker 1: my love to her, all right, No, that was that's
Speaker 1: that's lover her. I mean I was just speaking for
Speaker 1: us all, you know. And now everyone uses that that
Speaker 1: thing every time, like like I guess that's like flirting words,
Speaker 1: like they're saying Hi, Lorie Harvey or they'll say hi,
Speaker 1: you know Amber Rows or whatever. But it was down
Speaker 1: to you ever respond to that at all? She said
Speaker 1: hi back. Oh that's all. That was good enough in
Speaker 1: my mind even another day. Because so now the big
Speaker 1: thing that's happening right now. You went to the breakfast club.
Speaker 1: You were I believe you spoke on T Grizzy and
Speaker 1: then T. Grizzly responded back, and I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1: When I heard you speak of on the breakfast club,
Speaker 1: I wanted me to person agree with you. When I
Speaker 1: heard he Grizzly said, I didn't understand his point. Then
Speaker 1: I listened to it the third time, listened to you
Speaker 1: a third time, listen to him a third time, and
Speaker 1: I pretty much was a split decision because in order
Speaker 1: for you to get your point, you had to be
Speaker 1: in this game for ten fifteen years. So I understand
Speaker 1: how he couldn't relate that. But then I was just
Speaker 1: standing him as well for him saying, you know which
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I won't disapprove by anything that,
Speaker 1: but he's saying I got one foot in the and
Speaker 1: then so I don't believe you addressed that yet. So
Speaker 1: I would love to hear and I heard you had
Speaker 1: a conversation with him. Yeah, of course, of course. Um,
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I understand where
Speaker 1: you're coming from. Um I think, Um, I didn't go
Speaker 1: in death about me and Marshall's conversation, so I can
Speaker 1: so I can understand how it can be misconstrued. It's
Speaker 1: this simple though, Okay, Um number one, I'm not like
Speaker 1: this guy who's like behind closed doors determines when and
Speaker 1: where and how Marshall raps and when he's gonna rap.
Speaker 1: We were just having a conversation, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: so the whole point was to let these guys know
Speaker 1: that you never know who's watching, and just to be
Speaker 1: careful not to burn bridges and the reason why, the
Speaker 1: reason why, the reason why. So this is one of
Speaker 1: the things that I expressed that I expressed them when
Speaker 1: we talked. This is after he addressed the situation. So
Speaker 1: I made I made a song called Lighters right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was the song that I had then was on
Speaker 1: my album, you know what I'm saying. Like, So when
Speaker 1: me and Marshall did the Bad messieviol album, we ended
Speaker 1: up putting that song on the Bad Messievio album. We
Speaker 1: put Bruno mars on it, big hits on you know,
Speaker 1: like the biggest song of the year, number one song
Speaker 1: of the year. So I tried to use that energy
Speaker 1: to build Slaughterhouse. So that's how we came up. That's
Speaker 1: how I came up with a song called My Life
Speaker 1: for Slaughterhouse, which ended up not being the right song
Speaker 1: for slaughter House. Okay. Now, the fact that I had
Speaker 1: a song of that magnitude and wasn't able to build
Speaker 1: slaughter House, and I also wasn't able to build myself
Speaker 1: off of that song. And it's only because of the energy,
Speaker 1: the massive amount of energy that Marshall and Bruno brought
Speaker 1: to the song. So when you're talking about building a brand,
Speaker 1: which I'm very familiar with. There's a way that that's done.
Speaker 1: So when I had this conversation with Marshall, it was
Speaker 1: way in the beginning for the fatigue. Nati is the
Speaker 1: first of his kind from Detroit. He's the first guy
Speaker 1: who's ever came through the door with no stamp from nobody.
Speaker 1: Sean had Kanye, I had Marshall, O, we had Marshall,
Speaker 1: everybody has. He was He's the first of its kind
Speaker 1: of come to the classic record out of the gate.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I just didn't I
Speaker 1: don't want to see Marshall jump in stepping, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like what I was trying to
Speaker 1: explain to him, like I would never give my opinion
Speaker 1: in a way that's gonna hurt you. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Anything, I want nothing but the best for you.
Speaker 1: If I make a decision, it's because me is an
Speaker 1: o G. I know what's best. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: in my opinion. It doesn't mean that my opinion is
Speaker 1: the determining fact. That it just means that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: But the point that I was making on the Breakfast
Speaker 1: Club is just to be careful because I didn't stop
Speaker 1: the song from happening. He stopped the song from happening
Speaker 1: by dis and Marshall on the album. But I also said,
Speaker 1: it's not something that can't be repaired. So accountability is
Speaker 1: a big part of communication, being able to hold yourself accountable,
Speaker 1: and it's also a huge part of success. That's what
Speaker 1: I need my my youngest understand in your opinion, what
Speaker 1: was it? What was his his his discrepancy? What was
Speaker 1: this problem that he reached out to M and M
Speaker 1: didn't reach back, or he wanted to get him our record.
Speaker 1: We didn't get into that. We didn't wen't. We didn't talking.
Speaker 1: You mean, why did he shoot at him on the right?
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it was a particular reason.
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was more. I
Speaker 1: think it was more supposed to come off like a
Speaker 1: friendly jab because when I talked to him about it,
Speaker 1: he was like, I didn't think I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was a big deal what I said about him, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we came to this conclusion,
Speaker 1: if we're in communication more, we don't have a problem.
Speaker 1: Because that way, I don't I won't be presumptive. Was
Speaker 1: I won't assume you mean ABC. You won't assume I
Speaker 1: mean ABC. We're just always to be clear, and that's
Speaker 1: how we should be, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: you just always like that. Why does it seem like
Speaker 1: we beat for people from our inner cities, because it's
Speaker 1: just it's just something we used. We used to doing that.
Speaker 1: Because I can understand why the young is in the comments.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you hate it on tea because they
Speaker 1: used to niggas hating. They used to the O g
Speaker 1: s hating. The same thing happened to me, niggas hating
Speaker 1: on me. You know what I'm like, Man, I refused.
Speaker 1: I refused to use my platform and divide up against
Speaker 1: my youngest between beef and then just having friendly competition
Speaker 1: like hip hop. Just hip hop sometimes don't happen. No,
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean I did. But what do
Speaker 1: you think in this situation that line is crossed? I
Speaker 1: think I think, I mean, honestly, in my opinion, I
Speaker 1: think he probably was just looking for something to create
Speaker 1: some more smoke so he can keep that moment going.
Speaker 1: He came out the gate with a classic that's a
Speaker 1: tough tough position to be in, especially when you're just
Speaker 1: getting out of jail. You don't really because I don't.
Speaker 1: The song is so flawless and it's so organic. I
Speaker 1: don't think he even really knew what he did when
Speaker 1: he when he did that song, and it resonated with
Speaker 1: everybody like that. So to have to recreate that same moment,
Speaker 1: it's tough to do, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: to keep that going, to keep that going. And I
Speaker 1: think that M's level of success and sometimes my level
Speaker 1: less success, I think that they sometimes assume that we're
Speaker 1: just detaction, that we got paying them no attention and
Speaker 1: we're not for them. And my thing is I need
Speaker 1: to take the steps. I need to take the steps
Speaker 1: to be able to bridge that gap, just to make
Speaker 1: sure that they understand, even if it takes for us
Speaker 1: to come outside of our comfort zone and somehow meet halfway.
Speaker 1: And I need him to understand that the unity is
Speaker 1: where the power is at, the unit, that the power
Speaker 1: is in the collector say that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so I mean we understood each other after we
Speaker 1: after we talk, you know what I'm saying, And what
Speaker 1: what myle what mole is he from? Is that is
Speaker 1: everyone from a mile in dep I think I think
Speaker 1: T is from. He from the West side. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where from because he's so much
Speaker 1: younger than me, But I don't know exactly he's the
Speaker 1: west side of though, he's the west side of Good God,
Speaker 1: I don't want y'all got dude from the dad to
Speaker 1: get them a man, you know what I'm saying. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be man. Listen, listen, man, We're gonna be good.
Speaker 1: All of us are gonna be good. Everybody's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna We're not doing that. You're not doing You're
Speaker 1: not doing that. I'm not gonna let that happen, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So, this is this situation, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm I'm I'm ahead of it. I feel
Speaker 1: like I have enough control over it as the O
Speaker 1: G and I've been here before, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable in this space because I know
Speaker 1: I know how to turn things around and flip them
Speaker 1: into a positive. I know how it is with what
Speaker 1: the outcome is on the negative. And we've been there.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what do you think the
Speaker 1: first time, like when you see him? Because because like
Speaker 1: I believe he um on the gram he was like,
Speaker 1: why would you block me? There? No? Why would you
Speaker 1: say no? Like, so, what was the first thing that
Speaker 1: came to your mind? I was thinking to myself, block you, brother,
Speaker 1: block you. But before I could even like, before my
Speaker 1: mind could go in any direction, Jaylen Rose has already
Speaker 1: hitting me. He's blowing me up. Because that's why, because
Speaker 1: y'all from me, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jaylen Rose is already
Speaker 1: hitting me, like, yo, Yo, I need I need to
Speaker 1: make sure that you and T Grizzly seeing eye to eye. Man,
Speaker 1: let me let me know if I can link y'all.
Speaker 1: And I hit him back like of course, of course,
Speaker 1: and we got right on it. We got right on
Speaker 1: the text thread and he was like, h T was
Speaker 1: like I think it maybe just be a misunderstanding. And
Speaker 1: I hit him back absolutely, brother, let's let's just talk.
Speaker 1: And um, I said, I actually was he gonna be
Speaker 1: free an hour? He said, yeah, called him an hour.
Speaker 1: We kicked it quick. Yo was trying to say, so,
Speaker 1: no problem, okay, okay, okay, okay yo, We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do this but the joint guy is is broken
Speaker 1: in the bottom. I'm like, leaning, yeah, we got a
Speaker 1: bad ship, say like this, so I didn't even know
Speaker 1: we got bad chip yeah everything. Yeah, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: had to I had to switch man heroin he was
Speaker 1: believing that now yeah, sir, so yeah, but I had
Speaker 1: to just let him. I had to let him know.
Speaker 1: You know, it's love and respect before anything, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he's uh, I talked to it.
Speaker 1: I talked to a few people in passing about him
Speaker 1: in the word on the Youngest now as oh man,
Speaker 1: they're just young, they're young stupid, they're crazy, they're young stupid.
Speaker 1: I'd never give up on none of them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like that's just yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: young and stupid or probably you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And they they're young geniuses man, Like he grizly did
Speaker 1: some ship that none of us did, none of us
Speaker 1: and that needs to be saluted, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like a win for him and even m
Speaker 1: had a co sign brother, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So for him to come out the gate like that,
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, about before I even knew who he was.
Speaker 1: I heard about him through World Star and I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 1: You know, you know how amazing that is. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, why would I why would I want to
Speaker 1: block that name is a synonymous with Detroit Trick, Trick
Speaker 1: like um like I always think like anytime this beef
Speaker 1: bing within like Detroit, like that's the guy who steps
Speaker 1: in it, and that my bugging. Sometimes sometimes it depends
Speaker 1: on what the situation is. Me and Trick, you know,
Speaker 1: we tight. We didn't even speak about this. This didn't
Speaker 1: even this. This came nowhere near that. No cause got made?
Speaker 1: Where Yeah, in Detroit, it's a little small when you're
Speaker 1: talking about important people, you know, so like no cause
Speaker 1: got made. I think he was really challenging the O
Speaker 1: G S, which he's supposed to do, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we don't always do everything right. They
Speaker 1: gotta make sure we're on our toes too, And I
Speaker 1: told him that. I told him, you know, if it's
Speaker 1: if there's ever something you think I'm not doing or
Speaker 1: you think I'm not doing right, you can always call
Speaker 1: me and challenge me. You know what I'm saying, bring it,
Speaker 1: bring it to me, make sure and I'm doing everything
Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to do, and I'll do the same
Speaker 1: with you. Let's keep pushing each other like that, and
Speaker 1: let's make this ship great, Let's make the city great.
Speaker 1: Let's break let's break all the cycles, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we did that. We did the bickering
Speaker 1: back and forth phone TV for the world to see
Speaker 1: us look like some fucking buffoons. Beef this, beef, that,
Speaker 1: beef this. There's no no money and that, no money
Speaker 1: and that, no power in that, no anything in that.
Speaker 1: It's only one one type of person who can monetize that,
Speaker 1: and that's the powers that be. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We'll never be on the same team as them, because
Speaker 1: everything about them is to our detriment and as long
Speaker 1: as we continue to divide, we'll always be pawns on
Speaker 1: that chessboard. We gotta start thinking different, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's that's what I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: them to understand. And we all work in progress, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep I'm gonna continue to just keep doing
Speaker 1: my part and I'm gonna keep showing them love the
Speaker 1: way that I'm supposed to. That got that, How did that?
Speaker 1: How did that convo with him on your album, Like,
Speaker 1: how did that skit come about? Him? Talking about what
Speaker 1: he was talking about? You took it back to the
Speaker 1: old school with the skits man and even Jack drink
Speaker 1: chaps from the skits. We don't here. You gotta call
Speaker 1: us for climming. Don't worry about it. But but that
Speaker 1: was deep. That was deep what he was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, and it was you'll be kicking that
Speaker 1: ship on here. You know, we got you, we had,
Speaker 1: but we should saying he got m on the skid?
Speaker 1: I mean, was was that meant to be a skit?
Speaker 1: Was that a convoy y'all recorded for something else? And
Speaker 1: how did that come about? We were having a conversation. Um,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a lot of deep things, talk about
Speaker 1: white privilege, talking about hip hop, about being a guest
Speaker 1: in hip hop stuff, Lord mar be talking about like
Speaker 1: we're talking about everything. You're talking about everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: me and me and M. I ain't spoke to him
Speaker 1: in a minute, but me and M we sit on
Speaker 1: the phone for hours and just talk about different things,
Speaker 1: different things, how they're affecting us, how they affect our day.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, perspective is like a big, big topic
Speaker 1: of conversation, perspective, the way that people see things, and
Speaker 1: why we think that people see things in a certain way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we were just kicking
Speaker 1: it and he just talked for like maybe ten fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes straight. I didn't say a word. He was just
Speaker 1: going off, not I don't know, like mad ship, but
Speaker 1: just he was just kicking Ship, like you know something
Speaker 1: like this is gonna be a skip for something. He
Speaker 1: were just talking. He just sometimes you just get and
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there listening to him. I was
Speaker 1: just like, why is it being recorded there? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this this isn't what you So after we got off
Speaker 1: the after we after we was done talking, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: do you think if I sent you a beat you
Speaker 1: could say everything that you just said or something some
Speaker 1: derivative of it. And he was like, Ship, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what I was just said, but I could try,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I sent him a
Speaker 1: beat the next day and he went in and he
Speaker 1: talked for twelve minutes. He talked for twelve minutes, and UM,
Speaker 1: I went up to the studio when I listened to it,
Speaker 1: and UM, of course he wanted to run and running
Speaker 1: by Paul, that's his partner, So he um sent it
Speaker 1: to Paul. Paul just took it. Paul has a way
Speaker 1: of like hearing things, and he himself edited it down,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we rappers, we babbled,
Speaker 1: Paul edit it. Yeah, Paul edited because Paul. You know,
Speaker 1: Paul is an attorney, right Paul. So Paul took the
Speaker 1: fluff out, you know what I mean, Like he edited
Speaker 1: out all the fluff and then made it a straight thought,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he you probably cut
Speaker 1: it down and like, what was it six minutes maybe? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he cut it down and that's what what you
Speaker 1: guys heard is is is what he edited it down to.
Speaker 1: But there's still six minutes of cutting room floor stuff
Speaker 1: that didn't That makes some forgot got that the first
Speaker 1: time you stopped to for real, y'all battled on the
Speaker 1: phone the very first time. Yes, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to see. Will remember this, I'm sure you remember this.
Speaker 1: It was me Forrell Marshall. And there's a group from
Speaker 1: Ohio called the Clinic. I can't remember how many of
Speaker 1: them it was, but the niggas was nice, so it
Speaker 1: was the clinic, it was Forrell, it was me, it
Speaker 1: was Marshall, and everybody was taking turns, just rapping on
Speaker 1: the phone on the phone. This is uh, this is
Speaker 1: still the nineties because this is before this is this
Speaker 1: is before he got signed. This is at least ninety nine,
Speaker 1: he meaning because this is before Marshall got signed, but before.
Speaker 1: If it's nine, then that's the super Dog that's after
Speaker 1: what what So this is before that? Then this is
Speaker 1: before that. Well, super came out, came out of ninety eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they got to be ninety seven. Yeah, so man,
Speaker 1: so maybe you know what it might be the beginning
Speaker 1: of the the ninety eight because came out of June. This
Speaker 1: is definitely before that broke. I would have known him
Speaker 1: from you, okay, what I was spotting you? Okay, so
Speaker 1: we we didn't know him, Yeah, we didn't know that time.
Speaker 1: Yea even ill so you don't even know what this is.
Speaker 1: So I know he's a producer, but I don't know him.
Speaker 1: I have I don't connect him to you, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So Rob was Rob Walker, um,
Speaker 1: Rob Walker Erica. They're working at Quest Records. You remember
Speaker 1: when Rob work a and R is in Quest Records,
Speaker 1: and he's like, um, yeah, Rob got this uh in
Speaker 1: Derrick Jackson, Derk Jackson, Quest is Quincy Jones Labor. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: for people who don't know Derrick Jackson's that's the one
Speaker 1: who started master the Scott story. After that, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: time of Boy Records, Okay accent he talking the most ship.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, nigga, like he didn't one who
Speaker 1: put the clinic on the phone, and you know, they
Speaker 1: all like, yeah, I got my nigga. Well I got
Speaker 1: my nigga. So Rob had for real, uh Rick had,
Speaker 1: Eric had me, I had Marshall. I brought him in
Speaker 1: and then um yeah yeah so we so we were
Speaker 1: on the phone and then we all just going, everybody
Speaker 1: just going taking turns going, and all while we rapping.
Speaker 1: Marshall yeah yeah, everyone and who else is on this
Speaker 1: phone and everyone, everybody including for a holy and I'll
Speaker 1: remember for real, he reminded me a lot of nos.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking he's smooth, super smooth with it. He's
Speaker 1: kept rapping about the band's wagon. He kept saying something
Speaker 1: about the band's wagon, and I remember I kept saying,
Speaker 1: what then what is no? Did I look at it
Speaker 1: in retrospect, the nigga probably had two or three of
Speaker 1: the moment I looked back in time, I said, looking
Speaker 1: for Roles, watch this right now. I'm a big watch guy, right,
Speaker 1: I wasn't it back then, But I just look at
Speaker 1: his watches and I like this cheap ass brother watched
Speaker 1: Years later I figured out that was a fucking Richard male.
Speaker 1: Ye had one back then, not nine the nineties. I'm
Speaker 1: like mid two, thou know what I'm saying. No one
Speaker 1: knew what the robber watch was like. Like if we
Speaker 1: had G shops, you got all right now, brother, then
Speaker 1: you get a lot of one. Well yea, So he's
Speaker 1: been his advanced, but that's crazy advance that that that
Speaker 1: you were like, that means you actually spoke to him
Speaker 1: prior to me, because because I met him, I met
Speaker 1: him one day throughout the next day and then recorded
Speaker 1: Winning the next day, So that means you technically met
Speaker 1: for realm before me. But you got in the studio
Speaker 1: with him for I got the shoot and I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew, like I knew as soon as I met
Speaker 1: it is weird, as I said, yeah, look as soon
Speaker 1: as he came to me, he was like he said,
Speaker 1: no one listens to me. The first person who listens
Speaker 1: to me is gonna get number one. And I said,
Speaker 1: did he say that? He said that, Bro, He's a
Speaker 1: amatonic jewel dropper And for some rejews, I believe them,
Speaker 1: Like listen, by the way I got to know more
Speaker 1: record at the time I got R E. Norri stands
Speaker 1: for Nigga's on the Run Eating. My album's done. Rob
Speaker 1: walk Up talks so Mary Moore and they get me
Speaker 1: in the studio and it's like he's like, your album's
Speaker 1: not done. Like he was cocky was back then, like
Speaker 1: like what, it's just for all this is no, this
Speaker 1: is for all the chat. But Bro has always been
Speaker 1: the front morning. He's always been like Chad is there
Speaker 1: but for so so He's like, no, your album is
Speaker 1: not done. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, Like that's
Speaker 1: how cocky he was back then. I'm like, dude, I
Speaker 1: actually literally handed in my album. He's like, it's not done.
Speaker 1: So if this is to Super Doug, listen to what
Speaker 1: what what at the end like your eat nor the
Speaker 1: remix because we try to sneak it on as a remix.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying because the album was already done.
Speaker 1: But moving on. So um, I also heard you the
Speaker 1: reason why no artist is allowed to go to Tom
Speaker 1: Superman's apartment. Uh, I feel bad about that, man. Come
Speaker 1: on and I feel bad. Let's get into it right there.
Speaker 1: I sold. Then I sold. This is the that I
Speaker 1: sold tuning in for right now you was in Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah. So um I did. I did a meeting.
Speaker 1: I did a meeting with Tommy Boy, me and Eric.
Speaker 1: We did a meeting with Tommy Boy. Um with a
Speaker 1: cat named Tyrone. Tyrone. This is after you made a
Speaker 1: decision to go with Tommy Boy or Dr Dre. This
Speaker 1: is for this is before, So this is this is
Speaker 1: first we did. First we did the meeting, he said,
Speaker 1: he said he fun with the music. I think he
Speaker 1: passed it. He passed, he passed. So Um. When I
Speaker 1: started working with Dre and Marshall, I was working with
Speaker 1: Dre on the Chronic. You know, word got around the
Speaker 1: industry that I was working with Marshall and Drake. I did.
Speaker 1: That was around them and everybody on the East coast.
Speaker 1: All the labels on the East Coast wanted to meet again.
Speaker 1: You know, once they found out of course. So I
Speaker 1: went back and I met with Tommy Boy with the
Speaker 1: same records. Did he have an adeline on when Tom
Speaker 1: silver Um, I don't remember the home said yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: on a regular day weird ship in the world and
Speaker 1: looking like ye running. Yeah. So when when I went back,
Speaker 1: the meeting was a little bit different, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's like the whole staff was in there, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of like and everybody was all excited about
Speaker 1: these same records that they passed on. So um, one
Speaker 1: thing led to another. I ended up signing to deal
Speaker 1: with them. Um they gave me a million dollars. So um,
Speaker 1: I feel like we gotta make some noise. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry forget Yeah. So um so Tom Silverman he
Speaker 1: bet the farm on me sort of speak. I think
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I think that was
Speaker 1: the last kind of deal like that that he did.
Speaker 1: He really believed in me. That's why I got and
Speaker 1: this is this is two thousand and this is ship Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm two thousands. Yeah, because I didn't get the Timy
Speaker 1: Boy yet. I remember, yeah, okay, because I remember remember
Speaker 1: there from the beginning there. Yeah, yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I remember because you were there prior to me, and
Speaker 1: I was always on the timeboy, but time boards I'm
Speaker 1: on penalty was own by Tommy Boy. But then they
Speaker 1: kicked penalty out and then I was fully on time Boy.
Speaker 1: But you was there. Pride, That's why I know, yes
Speaker 1: had to be. You was one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I went over there. Listen, let me just say you
Speaker 1: something about Tom Silman. A lot of people that get slack.
Speaker 1: If you show Tom Simmerman that you're working and you
Speaker 1: got something like he will put the break up. He
Speaker 1: would like, we just said, that's why you see. I
Speaker 1: didn't flinch, but it's just it's just I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, hearing that I sold story like um and
Speaker 1: hearing the practices that he takes, he owes a lot
Speaker 1: more to hip hop. Like they think about it is
Speaker 1: this we know we signed these these these kids deals
Speaker 1: and used it and then for it to be twenty
Speaker 1: five years thirty years later. I think I think people
Speaker 1: deserve it like UMU, whether you were cooped or not.
Speaker 1: If you have an album for thirty years, twenty years,
Speaker 1: twenty five years, I think the rightful thing to do
Speaker 1: is split it. Yeah, because everything else is changing exactly everything.
Speaker 1: Like if you if you own my album for twenty
Speaker 1: if I wanted your album with twenty years ago and
Speaker 1: you came to me and say, Yo, Nori, let's do
Speaker 1: a split. No no, not only would I want to
Speaker 1: split it with you, but because I know you would
Speaker 1: want to go out there and promote it. Like I
Speaker 1: feel sad sometimes when when I go online and I
Speaker 1: stream a Daylight Soul so a show and they won't
Speaker 1: even do those records, like they don't make anything out
Speaker 1: the polish inside. They won't even perform sometimes, like at
Speaker 1: least I see, like you know, Trutch and Naughty by Nature,
Speaker 1: at least they'll they'll perform those records and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes like I want to hear potholes in my lawn,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I want to hear
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but that that that that boughted me.
Speaker 1: So Tom Shimman, I don't know if you're listening, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you can make it right man. I think
Speaker 1: it's not too late, you know what I'm saying. Moving on, So,
Speaker 1: so what happened in the apartment though, so um so
Speaker 1: we needed somewhere to stay at um in order for
Speaker 1: me to to record the album. So he gave us.
Speaker 1: He gave us his apartment, you know, one of his
Speaker 1: spots that he had. Uh, he's subleasing this big gass apartment.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say where because I don't know if
Speaker 1: he still has it, no problem, but it was a
Speaker 1: great it's a great apartment, man, it's a great apartment.
Speaker 1: And I know I remember just being in there. I
Speaker 1: remember just being in there and little to all of them.
Speaker 1: My um My, my, my bro, my Bro came into town.
Speaker 1: This was when um Marshall wanted the move man, if
Speaker 1: he should want his first move man. That night we
Speaker 1: were all just like happy for him, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And everybody was like drunk and high. And
Speaker 1: I remember it being about ten fifteen niggas in the
Speaker 1: apartment and everybody's from Detroit. Everybody flew in and everybody
Speaker 1: was standing in my well, it was my apartment at
Speaker 1: the time in my mind, you know, so you're occupying it.
Speaker 1: I just remember. I just remember um My big Bro
Speaker 1: getting into it with somebody and the he brow with him,
Speaker 1: and I remember them having words and grabbing each other,
Speaker 1: and I remember my Bro grabbing them and pulling them
Speaker 1: into the bathroom and slamming the door behind them, and
Speaker 1: I'm hearing nothing but just rockets in the bathroom, and
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself, like, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be good. This is not gonna be good. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be good in there. YO. So about about five
Speaker 1: minutes later, they come out breathing all hard, and I
Speaker 1: hear my big bro like, because what the dude was
Speaker 1: supposed to be like muscle and he was like a
Speaker 1: was supposed to be able to throw your big ass
Speaker 1: around like that. Oh my god. I go in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: but and the fucking shower out is torn down, the
Speaker 1: mirrors off the wall, and in the wall. Bro, it
Speaker 1: couldn't be worse than what I saw in there. And
Speaker 1: I remember just thinking to myself, like damn. And then
Speaker 1: you know, they stayed for a couple of days, so
Speaker 1: the whole apartment was kind of like trash. It looked
Speaker 1: like some rockers that stayed there. So, um, the housekeeping
Speaker 1: lady came and she didn't even clean it. She just looked.
Speaker 1: She just took one look at it and turned around
Speaker 1: and walked off. And she did like a report. I
Speaker 1: guess weekly she has to do it like a report.
Speaker 1: She did a report and she said, and I quote
Speaker 1: people to do that. I quote she said, it looked
Speaker 1: like a crack house in there. That's what she told
Speaker 1: That's what she told. Her reference point was what was
Speaker 1: Tom's phone call to you. I never spoke to Tom
Speaker 1: Silverman after that. I never spoke to him after that.
Speaker 1: They just told us we had to get out the apartment.
Speaker 1: And when I went to turn the album and we
Speaker 1: had a meeting, it was time at that meeting, the
Speaker 1: last meeting. Now he wasn't even that eating. So we
Speaker 1: went to play the album and they wait until we
Speaker 1: were done. We had five Neptune Records, five Neptune Records
Speaker 1: to just Blaze Records. Um, who else do we have either,
Speaker 1: we have Primo Records. We had a star studied lineup
Speaker 1: of producers, and um, after we were done playing a record,
Speaker 1: they were like, okay, okay, yeah, we we liked the songs,
Speaker 1: but we don't know who you are not listening to
Speaker 1: these songs. And I couldn't, for the life of me,
Speaker 1: figure out what the funk they were talking about. I
Speaker 1: thought they were hating. I was doing that accountability thing
Speaker 1: that we do when were young. I couldn't hold myself
Speaker 1: accountable for ship. I was like, they're hating on me,
Speaker 1: and they didn't end up accepting the album, so they
Speaker 1: didn't release it. And that's how I ended up getting
Speaker 1: released from Tommy Boys, so I can move to Sony
Speaker 1: to Colombia. Wow. That that that's how the Tommy Boy
Speaker 1: thing ended. I wasn't able to there's an album to
Speaker 1: them that they felt was and you think you think
Speaker 1: that was close to the department thing, or because you
Speaker 1: think that that that you wasn't showing them in retrospect,
Speaker 1: the apartment thing probably had a little bit to do
Speaker 1: with it. But I didn't know how to make album.
Speaker 1: I just didn't you know, it was a cohesive album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't cohesive. It was probably it was all over
Speaker 1: the place. If I can remember back properly, it was
Speaker 1: just a bunch of different songs. I was wrapping good
Speaker 1: on all the songs, but there wasn't a complete thought.
Speaker 1: And that's people wonder why to this day I use skits.
Speaker 1: And but when that person said to you, we don't
Speaker 1: know who you are now, I think that that was
Speaker 1: great advice. Yes, yes, I think that I thought that
Speaker 1: was artistic critique of that album, Yes, I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that every artist should do
Speaker 1: at least one self defining album. I think that every
Speaker 1: artist should find there's owns self definition. The b could
Speaker 1: we not have more noises happening in this episode? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that self, that self defining thing. You gotta
Speaker 1: go out and you gotta find that. You gotta find
Speaker 1: out who you are, and once you get to that
Speaker 1: place where you know who you are, express that, and
Speaker 1: preferably if you could do with your first album, so
Speaker 1: you can get that out the way, it can be
Speaker 1: like an introduction, kind of like how reasonable doubt is,
Speaker 1: how eomatic is. If you could do that, you know,
Speaker 1: war Report exactly, If you could do that from there,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to build the brand from there. That's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy for me to hear you say that, though.
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy for me to hear that you
Speaker 1: didn't think your first was that it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, reporting about because I was fresh out of
Speaker 1: the open mics, So I was fresh off that phone
Speaker 1: call with Reil and them. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I was a battle rapper, I was I just
Speaker 1: you know, my first love was battling mcs, rapping about
Speaker 1: how good I could wrap, impressing other mcs. My only
Speaker 1: dream was just to be accepted by red Man and
Speaker 1: rass Cash. Buy what I'm saying, You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So you know, like I did all my evolving in
Speaker 1: the fire. You know what I'm saying is that recording process.
Speaker 1: M did a joint with the Neptunes around this time. No,
Speaker 1: he um, I remember I was getting in the studio
Speaker 1: with for real Um for the for the because they're
Speaker 1: never on record done a record together? Right? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Then my forgot about that. Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: We did. We did a song called She the One,
Speaker 1: Me and Marshall did over over a Neptune beat. Oh,
Speaker 1: She the One. But that's never seen the light of day.
Speaker 1: I think it may have been on YouTube, but it's
Speaker 1: never it's never officially. No. And we also got in
Speaker 1: the studio together for the what was the Football? The
Speaker 1: football movie with l Cold and Jamie and he give
Speaker 1: give us under right, it was that movie because for
Speaker 1: any given Sunday. Yeah, I need my plock for that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah here write that down to I'm missing nothing to
Speaker 1: lose it's only five soundtrack missing Foxy Brown Joint. I'm
Speaker 1: missing what was that give Sunday? And I'm missing like two,
Speaker 1: two or three more. I don't have my my chronic plaque,
Speaker 1: not like you just from Yeah, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: clue DJ clue. I should have a DJ clue. I
Speaker 1: got to DJ your shout off to DJ clue, and um,
Speaker 1: I just don't have any more space on the wall
Speaker 1: because big space. Mr Porter, Mr Porter, you know what
Speaker 1: I was gonna put my R Kelly plaque. I got
Speaker 1: a R plaque. I'm so sorry, don't put it in
Speaker 1: this ship up. And it's gonna put it an X
Speaker 1: over it like look like off white. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to throw the block away.
Speaker 1: I mean eight million. I don't know this guy, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to hang it up. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like because I mean, I noticed that people
Speaker 1: come to the Creator like, oh, ship and then they oh,
Speaker 1: look at that. I used to look back at Oh.
Speaker 1: I had kind of do it that should I like,
Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't know they were gonna put
Speaker 1: black axe over there. So it's going they're gonna say
Speaker 1: it's off white. I'm saying, no, it's off are even
Speaker 1: don't collecting my cup and plugs in my place? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Damn we went, we
Speaker 1: went crazy to be went all right? Cool? I got
Speaker 1: notes here. Goddamn, I hold on, she's been a year
Speaker 1: in jail for drinking. How the hell does that? What
Speaker 1: kind of what was you drinking? Brother? What was I drinking? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because it's very specifically, it's not like he was drinking
Speaker 1: straight director jail drink. Yeah, I was drinking, don't pass
Speaker 1: go to tronka yah. Yeah, I remember you was a
Speaker 1: super straight patron guy out the bottle type. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: to look at what happened. Yeah, so I was drinking
Speaker 1: patron um And what happened was um, I was, I was.
Speaker 1: I was drinking and driving. I got I got pulled
Speaker 1: over a late at night one night and my lawyer,
Speaker 1: I remember my lawyer when I got that offense, pushing
Speaker 1: the court date back because we're gonna try and beat it.
Speaker 1: So um. They put me on this program called JAMS,
Speaker 1: and that's basically where they assigned you a color and
Speaker 1: if they if they if your color comes up, you
Speaker 1: gotta check every day. You gotta call this number every day,
Speaker 1: and if you call it and you hear your color,
Speaker 1: you gotta go blow into a device That next morning,
Speaker 1: and my color came. I went blue into divice to
Speaker 1: the device, and I blew dirty because I was drinking
Speaker 1: the night before. Okay, okay, damn that's that's that's something
Speaker 1: that we kids need to know. So if you drink
Speaker 1: the night before, I said, it is still in your
Speaker 1: system in the morning, don't let nobody else tell you
Speaker 1: different for sure, because you know, like I left somebody,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. I wasn't like little drunk. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't lit up. No, I wouldn't lit up back before.
Speaker 1: I wasn't wasn't lit up the night before. But I
Speaker 1: drink the night before, and somebody told me, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is just stopped drinking it, you know,
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock or whatever. He said, My god, yeah, So
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm listening to this stupid nigga. So
Speaker 1: so I go and I'll blow I'll blow dirty. So
Speaker 1: that's an offense. And then before I can even go
Speaker 1: to court to rectify anything, I get another one, another
Speaker 1: d y. I get pulled over again. So I got
Speaker 1: two in the air at the same time, and I
Speaker 1: blew dirty, terrible, terrible. Oh and I got and I
Speaker 1: got driving without driving with license to spend it offensive
Speaker 1: running the current Well yeah, bench warns already. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's just it when you get caught drinking and driving
Speaker 1: that we don't even discuss because they're drinking and driving
Speaker 1: is such a big deal. Driving license just just a
Speaker 1: bigger deal. See you today, Like DMX, you did not
Speaker 1: pull up today. You had a driver. He was very conservative,
Speaker 1: very drinking. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Listen, everybody
Speaker 1: go with DMX. The driver drives for about ten minutes
Speaker 1: and then actually like more like oh, let me get
Speaker 1: out the call, hold on before anything happened. But he
Speaker 1: loves the drip. He's a speed with me. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, brother, like this is my eighth year.
Speaker 1: I'm going eight years, so that makes a noise for that.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want you to stop where you're
Speaker 1: going with it. Just so you know, today this is
Speaker 1: my third drink champ, so I'm only drinking water. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna drink I figured, I said, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me joining them. Don't make me feel bad. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm still getting spoken, but I could, I could do
Speaker 1: I could do a drink. Chance. You know he's not drinking.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm so vegetarian fasting, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So yea yeah, because I'm still eating cheese. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm from New York. I got look slimmer since I've
Speaker 1: been trying to think taking me over. That's my nigger,
Speaker 1: that's my nigging. So, um, what was you talking about?
Speaker 1: What was doing? I was saying, I'm eight years sober now,
Speaker 1: eight years sober now, and I'm still having it. I'm
Speaker 1: speaking sobriety events, do charitable things, preaching on the positivity.
Speaker 1: Oh you smoke weed? Nothing nothing. If you don't do
Speaker 1: anything back, then do you smoke weed? Just just drink? Okay?
Speaker 1: And you think you think that that was like, uh,
Speaker 1: that was a downfall for you drinking because of how
Speaker 1: much you drink. Yeah, I think the amount that I
Speaker 1: drink would be anybody's downfall. You know. Um, I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible to be productive and not really
Speaker 1: be coherent most of the day, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't even really good for a phone call after ten
Speaker 1: pm unless you like close friend of mine and we're
Speaker 1: like talking crazy shit. We couldn't. I couldn't conduct business
Speaker 1: after temp m you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 1: was just I just used to be lit up, and
Speaker 1: I mean it's just, you know, it started out fun.
Speaker 1: Then it just turned into a problem, you know, And
Speaker 1: I got I'm obsessive, compulsive by nature, you know me
Speaker 1: and you talked about that the other day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessive, complosive. But whatever. What that means is whatever
Speaker 1: you into, you into, Yeah, go all the way like
Speaker 1: eat pussy eating ask too. It wasn't okay. So what
Speaker 1: was your conversation with Joe after he uhm m this
Speaker 1: uh Nick Canning My conversation with Fat Joe with Joe
Speaker 1: button after button this eminem after he you mean when
Speaker 1: he's when he uh when he talked about this album
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, he said that he said the trash
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah. I don't I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly what I said. What what what said? Um? I
Speaker 1: just remember us having a long conversation where he expressed
Speaker 1: how he felt about it, and I expressed how I
Speaker 1: felt about it. I think I had just I just
Speaker 1: went this podcast as well, right, yeah, I went, I went,
Speaker 1: I did. Um, I had just did my rollout for
Speaker 1: my for my album, my last album, Book of Ryan,
Speaker 1: and I remember I went through that whole rollout, and
Speaker 1: I remember just I kept having to like talk about Joe,
Speaker 1: um in a negative I kept having to speak about him,
Speaker 1: but his name kept coming up, but it was more
Speaker 1: in a negative sort of light. You know, like people
Speaker 1: were kind of like not pitting us against each other,
Speaker 1: but the way that his dan was coming up. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't like it because you feel like Joe could
Speaker 1: have said a different Yeah. Yeah, yeah he could have.
Speaker 1: He could have. Um, it was a zillion different ways
Speaker 1: he could have handled it. But just in regards to me,
Speaker 1: you know, um, I think I'll remember telling him something
Speaker 1: along the lines of, man, I don't I don't deserve that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like what I don't I
Speaker 1: didn't sign up for that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's what we said earlier, like I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: about the wraps. I'm not about all of this, saying
Speaker 1: like I'm not about you know, the gray area. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one thing or the other thing with me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you're my friend, you know,
Speaker 1: And and that's how I am with my friends though,
Speaker 1: you know, like if if there's an issue, if I
Speaker 1: have an issue with some of one of my friends
Speaker 1: have issues with something, we bring it to the table.
Speaker 1: We talked about it, we yell about it, whatever needs
Speaker 1: to happen, and then we come to a solution, a resolution.
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We came to a resolution.
Speaker 1: He told he apologized to me, He told me he
Speaker 1: loved me, he didn't want me to feel like that.
Speaker 1: I accepted his apology and that was to my job,
Speaker 1: right And um, you think him and m were right
Speaker 1: to partitiation or that was just his opinion. It's not
Speaker 1: really a beef. I think it's definitely not a beef.
Speaker 1: It's not a beef. I mean, m didn't like it,
Speaker 1: you know, like I can't. I'd be a fool to
Speaker 1: say here and try to speak for Marshall, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he feels how he feels about it.
Speaker 1: You know, we've had conversations here and there about it.
Speaker 1: You know, Joe feels how he feels. I think anything
Speaker 1: can be rectified through conversation. If that's something that they
Speaker 1: chose to do in the future, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying right now, that's dope. I hope, I hope. I
Speaker 1: hope they work it out. Um. I just I just
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I get with it's coming from
Speaker 1: because it's coming from like the inside, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And because I think Marshall was that album
Speaker 1: still we went like platinum and still went or whatever.
Speaker 1: So like do you do you you ever think how
Speaker 1: how weird that is? Like you can see a person
Speaker 1: like how big Marshall is or how big jay Z
Speaker 1: is and how big Dos is and they pay attention
Speaker 1: to the little like yeah, like that's kind of like
Speaker 1: how they got to where they are. Bro, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like if you think about that's how
Speaker 1: they got to where they are, and it's like it's inspiring. Man.
Speaker 1: In I was just talking about this the other day.
Speaker 1: I was saying, you could you just have Floyd on
Speaker 1: the show, and um, one thing that I admire about
Speaker 1: Floyd in the ring is that the way he makes adjustments,
Speaker 1: you know, like the champion in him comes out, Like
Speaker 1: when he got caught with the Big Shot from Shane.
Speaker 1: The champion in him came out, and that person right there,
Speaker 1: you cannot judge that person, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That person right there's the top, the tippity top of
Speaker 1: the top tier. And that's what I think that we're
Speaker 1: seeing Marshall doing. Now he's making his adjustments, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's he's he's been flawless. He went flawless for
Speaker 1: a lot of years straight, and now he's under scrutiny
Speaker 1: and he needs to find a different way to do
Speaker 1: certain things. And now he's making adjustments and they just
Speaker 1: keep getting better and better and better. If you look
Speaker 1: since Revival, ships just been better and better for better.
Speaker 1: Now his last this last album that he just put
Speaker 1: out music to everybody, to me, in my opinion, it's
Speaker 1: the best one since Recovery. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: He's got music already that he's been recording, right, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I don't mean you would know you produced produce.
Speaker 1: I produced. I produced two songs on his last on
Speaker 1: this album. I produced two songs on it. I'll produce
Speaker 1: You're Gonna Learn and Darkness. So nothing that you've produced
Speaker 1: that you know is coming out still not that I'm
Speaker 1: aware of. But you've given production over. I've given it.
Speaker 1: He got he's probably got some Yeah, he got some
Speaker 1: beats of money he hasn't wrapped to. But um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what he's been doing. I'm
Speaker 1: talking to Marshall in a minute. It's been months months,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't know what he's been doing.
Speaker 1: But um, when he's quiet, when he's quiet, you never know.
Speaker 1: You never know what he's gonna, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he's doing something he ain't vacation And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you tell you that now, Tory Lanes. You want Tory Lanes.
Speaker 1: You have some backing for Yeah? On Twitter? Okay, y'all
Speaker 1: you worked it out. Of course it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: over the headline or nothing like that. Come on, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, it wasn't like if I could,
Speaker 1: if I remember properly, he was. Somebody asked me on
Speaker 1: Twitter if I felt like this is how they worded it.
Speaker 1: They said, do you feel Tory Lanes one against join
Speaker 1: the Lucas? And I tweeted back no, because I felt
Speaker 1: like join the one. But I was about to. I
Speaker 1: was about to tweet, but Tory came with it because
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Tory. And before I could do that,
Speaker 1: he was on it. He was on and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't add his unge the whole America one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just he was just on. He was the
Speaker 1: only one at that moment. I love that fire though.
Speaker 1: I love that fire was it wasn't no, it wasn't
Speaker 1: no offense taken like you really love battle rap like that.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you the other day, I've been phoning off on battle rap,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's like really takes a couple of
Speaker 1: hours of your time, you really. But the other day, obviously, um,
Speaker 1: I was probably one of the first person I know
Speaker 1: Marshall picked it up to map hop is um what
Speaker 1: is it called my my professional opinion or my expert opinion.
Speaker 1: I've been big en up forever because if I can't
Speaker 1: watch the battles, it's like watching first take sometimes, Like
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't watch the games, but I go and
Speaker 1: listen for sick anyway, So I'm listening to map hopor whatever,
Speaker 1: and then um, it goes off and this is a
Speaker 1: battle that I just saw and let me know if
Speaker 1: you saw this. But the dude, this is the first
Speaker 1: like friendly battle I saw in a long time. And
Speaker 1: I could tell these guys were friendly with each time.
Speaker 1: But the dude battle and other dude he puts on
Speaker 1: the Walmark outfit. Did you see this one? And smack?
Speaker 1: Because one of the dudes worked in Walmart and the
Speaker 1: dude got the dude got the drop that he worked
Speaker 1: and Wald what Yo, this was hilarious. My god, you
Speaker 1: gotta look at this stuff. He put the Walmart offre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on because I'm out
Speaker 1: of the loop, right, So I'm I don't look, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. Okay, guys, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking and he's like, oh, you think I
Speaker 1: don't know where you work at? So he turns around
Speaker 1: and they put a hat on him and they put
Speaker 1: a vest on them. But from the angle and watched it,
Speaker 1: I can't tell. We're gonna investor ship. So he turns around,
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes some ship. You to do that
Speaker 1: when we walk out of the store, you'd be checking
Speaker 1: out receiving this is the craziest ship. So, I mean
Speaker 1: it was like the first time because battle rap at
Speaker 1: first to me was was your friends, it was yo yo.
Speaker 1: But then somewhere along the line, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me bick a map off again with him. He on
Speaker 1: into snuffing to the game and everyone knows it down.
Speaker 1: Now this is a possibility. You can't get snuffed or
Speaker 1: you might be the one doing the snuffing. So it
Speaker 1: kind of and then now I'm started excellent. I seeing
Speaker 1: more and more fights. So even see a white guy
Speaker 1: actually used the N word and they snuffed in which
Speaker 1: I think he should have got snuffed again. I think
Speaker 1: the whole crowd should snuffed him. Um. But you know
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's repetitive. It is so just
Speaker 1: for me to see two brothers just go on stage
Speaker 1: and I mean they tore it into each other. So
Speaker 1: you should google it's smack uh Google. We'll come back
Speaker 1: to it. But it was I could you not, Like
Speaker 1: tears came out of my eyes, like literally I had
Speaker 1: to call my man Will Millions. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? He's like, oh, that should happened
Speaker 1: in Queens. I was like, damn, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: what happened, and I couldn't because you know what it was.
Speaker 1: It was on like an Explorer page, so you know
Speaker 1: how like you know how you like something will come
Speaker 1: up on on that somebody you're not even following, for
Speaker 1: somebody your affiliate following, and that ship popped up and
Speaker 1: how could you not? It was one of those those
Speaker 1: joints Royce. It was so good that I don't even
Speaker 1: want to be winded, like you know usually see it
Speaker 1: was good you want to watch, but he got his
Speaker 1: wonder course so good the first time. I didn't even
Speaker 1: need to I remember, like like if you don't even
Speaker 1: remember the words, I remember the basics of the conversation,
Speaker 1: but if you finally let me know. But a battle Rapper,
Speaker 1: didn't you have a league? Wasn't you a part of
Speaker 1: the league? Like? Okay? That was the only thing on
Speaker 1: BT correct now. It was on the Fuse network, on
Speaker 1: the Fuse Confused network. Basically, Basically what we did was
Speaker 1: we put some battle Rappers in the house. You ever
Speaker 1: seen the UFC reality show where they are where all
Speaker 1: the fighters live with each other, and they all came
Speaker 1: they see the UFC one I thought, I thought the
Speaker 1: Rappers one was the first one. So that's where the
Speaker 1: UFC thing was first. That's kind of like where the
Speaker 1: idea came from. Okay, so we put we put Battle
Speaker 1: Rappers all in the house and they all battled each other,
Speaker 1: battled their way this event to this big event. This
Speaker 1: is a you know, you remember, I'm terrible with years,
Speaker 1: man was I know I was sober. I know I
Speaker 1: was sober. I remember, I remember because I remember. If
Speaker 1: I wasn't sober, I wouldn't remember. Um, I can't remember
Speaker 1: exactly what year was, but um, I'm pretty sure y'all
Speaker 1: can fact checking and just on the screen. But it
Speaker 1: was everything was leading to this big event which was
Speaker 1: loaded lux Verse Murder muk too, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which was the follow up to a super super classic,
Speaker 1: super super classic battle in battle Rap history. And I
Speaker 1: believe we both times. Yeah, we put it in. We
Speaker 1: put it in. Um, we put it on pay per
Speaker 1: view and it was oh, I'm sorry, button hollow as well.
Speaker 1: Do listen, I listen, Joe, You're a man. Do not
Speaker 1: get a step in that battle arena again. I was
Speaker 1: very embarrassed. People to Mike, damn you don't think he
Speaker 1: did well. He did that, you know, I can't, shouldn't
Speaker 1: he just shouldn't have put the mic down. You know
Speaker 1: what it is. He's a virgo virgo and we're very annoyed.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is our power is not
Speaker 1: showing re annoyed. Right, he showed he was annoyed that
Speaker 1: day and he lost from that moment. The thing is
Speaker 1: that that's the thing is like you ever noticed, he
Speaker 1: ever noticed when a battle rapper is battling, they'd be like,
Speaker 1: let me cook, let me cook, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me relieve it, let me work, let me work,
Speaker 1: let me work. That's said that distracted him. The crowd
Speaker 1: is distracted him. But that's the way of saying I'm
Speaker 1: not being distracted back. But now listen to that same
Speaker 1: person saying you chill, y'all. That's not the same confidence.
Speaker 1: If y'all, if y'all, don't shut it up about now,
Speaker 1: every tetop, Okay, y t toop did this thing. Man
Speaker 1: tetop did this thing. But you know so, um, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think. And I heard you say this the
Speaker 1: other day, and I think that's it's funny. I think
Speaker 1: Joe is better at this profession that he is at rapping.
Speaker 1: He was a damn good rapper to lys top Ti lyrics,
Speaker 1: and you know he did all right at at the
Speaker 1: battle rapping thing. But in terms of no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, let's let's stop, let's stop, let's not be
Speaker 1: nice about that. Let's let's just be clear, let's just
Speaker 1: be clear. I'm sorry, he's my friend. Let's just agree
Speaker 1: on this in terms of rapping, terms of rapping, rapping, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like what I'm saying. Like, listen, I make great
Speaker 1: party wrappers, I make great regor, but you get me
Speaker 1: to be scoop and scrap, I'm not gonna be good.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't know how to do the
Speaker 1: kid and play like. I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: So now I can't. I can't, you know what. Let's
Speaker 1: just be clear. I can do I can wrap, but
Speaker 1: I can't dance. And I'll tell you something else. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you something. I don't really get a lot the
Speaker 1: with them. I got about four steps in me and
Speaker 1: that's it. Family, not gonna be happy, but but I
Speaker 1: got to my my, my, my two to mean steps
Speaker 1: to two steps. It's so mean. You ain't never gonna
Speaker 1: catch you on You ain't never gonna catch up. No.
Speaker 1: Flocker recently just said he he said he was a
Speaker 1: whack rapper. I disagree with him. I disagree to I
Speaker 1: disagree with him, but he said he got to the
Speaker 1: level Do you think that's that's possible nowadays where people
Speaker 1: could come into this game knowing that they don't that
Speaker 1: I don't think in Rocker's case, I don't agree with them,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, dude, there's so many people that
Speaker 1: are coming in this game now and they say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just be like a French Montana will just
Speaker 1: be like all They'll say, like a Jim Jones or
Speaker 1: something like that, as if French Montana or Jim Jones
Speaker 1: didn't bust. They asked were they're trying to say? It's
Speaker 1: people that you know, not spending fifteen million hours on lyrics.
Speaker 1: But do you think that as artists nowadays that does
Speaker 1: that that they've actually come into this game just for
Speaker 1: the money, and then that's that. I think it's just
Speaker 1: about it's about knowing. Goes back to the self defining
Speaker 1: thing that I'm talking about. It goes back to just
Speaker 1: knowing you and then playing to your strengths. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody is not a super technical lyrical miracle m C.
Speaker 1: You know, and Walker, Walker just he played to his strengths. Now,
Speaker 1: I heard songs where he was bussing, when he was
Speaker 1: straight up bussing, But it seems like he made he
Speaker 1: made his mind up like Okay, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do, and I'm gonna pursue it relentlessly and nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna stop me. And that's exactly what happened. Honest. See
Speaker 1: what he meant he said compared to his favorite rappers,
Speaker 1: he you know, comed him paying respect. That's just can't
Speaker 1: say Walker's whack. I ain't gonna he probably what he
Speaker 1: probably means by this ship. If I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: the best at that, then I'm just gonna do this
Speaker 1: because he's He's great at what he did. But I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily, I don't necessarily believe that lyrics is the
Speaker 1: only thing that hardest. Were the best lyricists there were
Speaker 1: that the flow to me, to me, Biggie's flow. He
Speaker 1: had lyrics, but it was his flow that that made
Speaker 1: you gravitates us. It's a master, it's a master. It's
Speaker 1: a masterful way to do many things, many things with
Speaker 1: the rapping ship. You know what I'm saying, like, um,
Speaker 1: geezy Geezy to me is a lyricist. He just hides it.
Speaker 1: He hides it in his wag, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: It's just he has a way of reaching you. He
Speaker 1: has he has a way of getting directly to his
Speaker 1: points without using a whole lot of words. And he
Speaker 1: does it in a way where his inflictions he knows
Speaker 1: where to put them at in terms of the core
Speaker 1: progression and ship like that is genius. The way he
Speaker 1: does it, it's just not right in your face, the
Speaker 1: technical part of it. It's just not right in your face,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He has the ability, you know,
Speaker 1: it's his ability. His ability is through the roof. It's
Speaker 1: through the roof. Is just done a different ways. The
Speaker 1: cat I haven't. I haven't, but um it's kind of
Speaker 1: Is she the one who made the cow song? The
Speaker 1: cow song? Let's google that. Google that. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: the cow song? Right that? That ship chips going right
Speaker 1: now you ask the question? Come on to a much
Speaker 1: more with the chair, get another chap? Have we gotta
Speaker 1: set up so what's going on with mother? Was holding on?
Speaker 1: No drinking and you never smoked the drink. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: used to be back in the days, and it was
Speaker 1: one of the perfect pills too. Listen, man, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. That was the only the only Like damn,
Speaker 1: I am I going to my exec days right now
Speaker 1: that I know that's bad for you, But I just
Speaker 1: like that's fucked up, like like I actually was saving marriages.
Speaker 1: And one point lies, I ain't never heard that up
Speaker 1: said after the war war war just in my mind, man,
Speaker 1: see that. I want to know what war seen my
Speaker 1: mind as a war. Man. Listen, listen, because probably helped couples. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your ecstacy, No listen, listen, maybe you can. But yeah,
Speaker 1: one person, it's a problem. It's gonna be a c
Speaker 1: they gonna be. But this is what I heard. Ecstacy
Speaker 1: was made for people having mad up is the original
Speaker 1: reason why it was made. Yeah, listen man, I'm just
Speaker 1: being honest man. Yeah, yeah, because because you know, like
Speaker 1: if you ever seen your boy ecstasy, like he'll just
Speaker 1: be like man, this person because the same ship. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie, like the detwelve like like that to
Speaker 1: all I felt like y'all did a lot of drugs,
Speaker 1: and I just felt like I should have been there
Speaker 1: with y'all at that time. At that time, No, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much, how much how much asked
Speaker 1: what y'all getting and it was college it was it
Speaker 1: was that was like college ship. He was getting white
Speaker 1: girl one wi like, yeah, I was getting the bitches right.
Speaker 1: It's just too much, too much what I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was like it was just we was
Speaker 1: kids kids, So I just felt like wild ass parties
Speaker 1: every so um after um Proof what what what? Because
Speaker 1: everyone sit back and uh, And I believe M said
Speaker 1: it on the record he said, um, truth is and
Speaker 1: Proof died, so did the group. But a lot of
Speaker 1: people say it's even deeper than that, like it's saying
Speaker 1: a part of the Detroit die when Proof died? What
Speaker 1: do you what? Do you guys feel like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I also feel like I think a lot of
Speaker 1: that when that happened, you gotta think that the again,
Speaker 1: in star power of who M was, who M is,
Speaker 1: that overshadowed everybody grief too, And like a lot of
Speaker 1: people didn't get to you know, it was like it
Speaker 1: became about him and how he was grieving and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know you kind of missed A lot of
Speaker 1: people might have missed it. A proof was so important,
Speaker 1: you know, it just got overshadowed by that, which is
Speaker 1: something that happened when somebody that big, but it was
Speaker 1: for me. I felt like that. It was like everybody
Speaker 1: was going through their own thing individually, but you couldn't
Speaker 1: really go through it without getting Oh man, I know
Speaker 1: him funked up. I know, you know, like that just
Speaker 1: made me not It just made me get away from it.
Speaker 1: But I was coming once the once that happened, I
Speaker 1: was done. I was done. No, just with the group ship.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I tried, but I couldn't really keep going on,
Speaker 1: you know the end of it. Basically, Yeah, I mean business.
Speaker 1: You gotta think business people handle business differently. And I
Speaker 1: was affected a lot in it because every time I
Speaker 1: would do something, produce for somebody else, or do something,
Speaker 1: it was going back to recouping the deal that we
Speaker 1: was in as a group. And so when I tried
Speaker 1: to go my own way and do that, it was
Speaker 1: like they didn't understand why I wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: But that's what happened. And you and you improve y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got arrested after Like, yeah, I pulled up.
Speaker 1: Damn your Mike is there? You got you gotta forgot
Speaker 1: pe infection on the ship. I forgot first. I ain't
Speaker 1: even trust ourselves, like let's do it's a guy. But
Speaker 1: so then, how did you work that situation up? We're
Speaker 1: been jailed together and get out of here. He pulled
Speaker 1: out on each other, the dog with the jacket. I
Speaker 1: was in the sale. I was in the sale and
Speaker 1: he was in the sale. Next ye mean we're talking
Speaker 1: to each other through the wall and this is jail
Speaker 1: for each other. The wall um Proof was Proof was
Speaker 1: like he's such a dynamic individual. Man. He was having
Speaker 1: like the phone was ringing off the hook, different lawyers calling.
Speaker 1: What I was saying, This nigger had all kind of
Speaker 1: food being brought in and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was like crazy. He was
Speaker 1: actually the reason why I got out so fast because
Speaker 1: it was like he was he was bringing too much
Speaker 1: attention to the like the pre sinking ship. Did you
Speaker 1: notice he was like bringing too much attention to the precinct.
Speaker 1: They just let us out. They were just like, man,
Speaker 1: we let y'all out. I think I heard you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it was like, but we we
Speaker 1: were able to talk and just really put things in perspective,
Speaker 1: and that was like early on I think I learned
Speaker 1: the words of communication just by going through that with him,
Speaker 1: because like how deep we were into the ship, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And then how we were able
Speaker 1: to just nip it in the bud just that fast,
Speaker 1: just talking, you know, because right before we got arrested,
Speaker 1: you know, it got tense. It could have went one
Speaker 1: of one of two ways, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So for us to be able to nip that in
Speaker 1: the bud that fast, and then for me and this
Speaker 1: man to get as close as we ended up being
Speaker 1: after it just it's a testament to you have to
Speaker 1: find resolution, and then you have to also realize how
Speaker 1: powerful we are as a collective. The things that me
Speaker 1: and this man can do in the studio together, it's
Speaker 1: way more valuable than any type of energy we can
Speaker 1: cross being negative toward each other, you know what I mean? Now,
Speaker 1: what's the difference? Um uh? Because Drey was up front
Speaker 1: about it and Puff was up front about it, what's
Speaker 1: the difference between like you writing around for Diddy or
Speaker 1: you writing around for dre uh did he did? He
Speaker 1: is way more picky, well, at least at that moment,
Speaker 1: Jack obviously, because I'm here, I'm hearing, I'm hearing the dres.
Speaker 1: Is he real picky now? Because back then and I
Speaker 1: when I was working with him on that Chronic on
Speaker 1: the Chronic album, he wasn't. Really, he wasn't as picky
Speaker 1: as Puff. I've never been in the studio with somebody
Speaker 1: as picky as Puff. Playboy put that thing on that
Speaker 1: Playboy just made me write first over and over and
Speaker 1: over and over. And I just walked away from that
Speaker 1: situation learning so much because it was up until I
Speaker 1: worked with Puff that I never rewrote my own raps.
Speaker 1: So this nigga made me rewrite the same rap so
Speaker 1: many times. I'm thinking to myself, like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: am I not putting the same effort into my own ship?
Speaker 1: So what pup project are we talking about? People like yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote tell Me with Christina Agiley, so so, and
Speaker 1: then how was and you wrote Kanye Ship. I was trying,
Speaker 1: I was trying to look at that crazous. I felt
Speaker 1: my eyes and started like get funny and he looked
Speaker 1: that day, I gotta let it go. But um, but
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful thing. I think. One of my favorite rappers,
Speaker 1: Easy Easy on the Record, said, I didn't realize this.
Speaker 1: Twenty years later he said, I s Q right, surrise
Speaker 1: that I say, and I was like, oh ship. Three
Speaker 1: years later I was like, what the fun he was?
Speaker 1: I listening to the businessman talking, Yeah, I've been businessman.
Speaker 1: What what makes what makes them different from Drake? From Drake? Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's much of a difference.
Speaker 1: I mean Drake to me, it'd be hard for me
Speaker 1: to like put a finger on exactly what Drake is
Speaker 1: in that conversation because I don't know. He's an R
Speaker 1: and B singer. Don't R and B singers get away
Speaker 1: with that. But you're trying to say that, I don't
Speaker 1: want somebody else write about how much? How much is
Speaker 1: other people? Right? Because when I've seen Drake interviews, he
Speaker 1: pretty much he said he write pretty much everything. And
Speaker 1: he took some ideas we need to go fund me
Speaker 1: for good, like we need to go fund me not
Speaker 1: fun like money, like he need to have some fun
Speaker 1: like that. I think you need to go to a
Speaker 1: dream park or something like great adventures like that. That
Speaker 1: it was a little sad, bro I apologize when you
Speaker 1: look at it from his perspective, the way he was
Speaker 1: saying that, I was like, damn, that's his perspective is perspective.
Speaker 1: I understand where he's coming from in that sense. I
Speaker 1: just you know what the thing is this if you've
Speaker 1: never been a casual to a war like sometimes you like,
Speaker 1: I've been a casualt to you a war, I've been
Speaker 1: in a place where a person used me and then
Speaker 1: they they and I understand it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I understand. I understood where I had to be at
Speaker 1: that moment. It's not in this level. It's not in
Speaker 1: this level like this level like when I seen him
Speaker 1: and it was what m if you're reading this, it's
Speaker 1: too late. And he was saying that everyone's posting a
Speaker 1: plaques and everyone's collateral damage. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So
Speaker 1: I would hope that they reach out to him, because
Speaker 1: I mean, both of them at this point they're cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how would they do that? Was he being with
Speaker 1: them too? That? No? No, what it was. What it
Speaker 1: was was Woma has it woman? Has it. This is
Speaker 1: all what do they call it? Um here saying what
Speaker 1: do they say? Um? So the speculation though, um all
Speaker 1: allegedly all allegedly allegedly Meek DJ Drama cool people both
Speaker 1: from Philadelphia meet, goes to Atlanta see his this record
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later. Is that same record he
Speaker 1: heard with this other dude spitting on the radio and
Speaker 1: that happens to be Drake that spit in these lines,
Speaker 1: Meek has that in his mind. Whatever happens, I think
Speaker 1: Drake is supposed to come out to the concert with him,
Speaker 1: he doesn't come out me. That's when me does the
Speaker 1: thing on Twitter or whatever. This is all allegedly, right
Speaker 1: Boom Quittin Millers caught up in this now they all
Speaker 1: did because because you know, no one else later on
Speaker 1: we found out of this DJ Drama people say that.
Speaker 1: People say allegedly that because Drake was messing with one
Speaker 1: of the DJ Drama's girls, that he's no longer with maw.
Speaker 1: So this is why D Drama owes us this story.
Speaker 1: He has to come on here. Um. But so during
Speaker 1: the whole process, Quentin Miller's court in the process. At first,
Speaker 1: it looks like yo dude, you get you get what
Speaker 1: you get, right, you get what you get. You use
Speaker 1: on that side, that side, then the side squatss to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know whose ring is that is, but you
Speaker 1: gotta grow up. You gotta get out. You gotta get out.
Speaker 1: The toys arrest man, that's the Dominican barber. That's that's
Speaker 1: to us close man, toys arrest isn't even over no more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean quitting, Um, I listened. I've been
Speaker 1: the war, like for twenty years. I'm doing different types
Speaker 1: of war. I never feel sorry for a person they
Speaker 1: get caught in collaidal with damage or this is my
Speaker 1: first time when I've seen him like he didn't even
Speaker 1: have nobody feeling for him, Like it was a selfie
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I don't mean it like like you know,
Speaker 1: but he was like he just I think he looked
Speaker 1: depressed though, and it was snow, but I feel like
Speaker 1: he has shorts on. Doesn't worried me the most, really depressed,
Speaker 1: like he didn't look happy. It was not a happy
Speaker 1: thing from Yeah, I kind of agree with you, and
Speaker 1: that's like that's the kind of ship to me today.
Speaker 1: That worry me, like about a lot of arts. But
Speaker 1: that's what see you know. But that's the difference between
Speaker 1: you working with Dr Dre and a puff where pretty
Speaker 1: much upfront about it, and then you're working with a
Speaker 1: person because a lot of people that's that's how a
Speaker 1: lot of people probably fail. It's like, yo, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you give me a couple of bars, that's
Speaker 1: between us. So this was like the first ghostwriter that
Speaker 1: was that was labeled a ghost because most the definition
Speaker 1: the ghost is you don't really know what the funk
Speaker 1: it is, you know what I'm saying. So this is
Speaker 1: the first ghost writer that we've we found out and
Speaker 1: it's for a big artist because I never knew. I
Speaker 1: never knew any ghost writers. I never Yeah, but who
Speaker 1: didn't like for I knew he wrote for let's not
Speaker 1: be clear, let's not let's not act like we didn't
Speaker 1: see produces ghost produced as well. Yeah, coming so many
Speaker 1: times that I was like, you know, got an L. S.
Speaker 1: B or got a Kirk Gotti bet and track masters
Speaker 1: to me on my on my ships never came to
Speaker 1: the student session. I don't know what they deal becausists
Speaker 1: of I don't know how that worked, but I know
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying. And to me, that
Speaker 1: was ghost producing. I think the production thing is a
Speaker 1: little bit more blurry though, because the producer be like, no,
Speaker 1: it's gonna workload and then I'm gonna I'm gonna pick
Speaker 1: out things and to me, I got to disagree with you.
Speaker 1: To me, it's a little bit more fouldent because at
Speaker 1: least it's that artist you know saying it, but a
Speaker 1: producer is not even getting the credit. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like if you always make sure the
Speaker 1: person get the credit, the problem is that person is
Speaker 1: getting the credit, they probably have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: Later you can have that agreement and then they come
Speaker 1: back and be like it's like but if you're doing
Speaker 1: that and you're going out of your way. Back then,
Speaker 1: credit was everything, right, that's all you want. Now today
Speaker 1: you don't know who the funk did what unless you
Speaker 1: got women once a more those there's a lot of
Speaker 1: that to go on with those two. Like I mean
Speaker 1: not saying they're faking the tax, but they have whole
Speaker 1: units of people. It's not like just one person, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I know a lot of the dudes that
Speaker 1: do it, like they make a million beat today, but
Speaker 1: like sometimes they still work or they collabor a lot
Speaker 1: with a lot of other you know, to producers today,
Speaker 1: it's never just one thing. To me, it's like there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of people in the room. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: it's bad. It's bad when the person the beats and
Speaker 1: all the producer who's quote unquote producing all, he's doing
Speaker 1: his drops. Sometimes production is being a conductor. Yep. And
Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand. That's actually the original producer.
Speaker 1: It is the conducer of a band. A lot of
Speaker 1: people didn't say this band of sound and I am
Speaker 1: the producer a lot of producers. There's Whoopoff made magic
Speaker 1: with a lot of producers. Is a producer magic producer.
Speaker 1: It was with earth Gotti, may Magic with them as
Speaker 1: soon as earth Gotti, as soon as Drey, as soon
Speaker 1: as Paul left them. I'm saying reducing those are the
Speaker 1: saying it's a deal because under that when they were
Speaker 1: doing it, everybody was fine with the situation. But when
Speaker 1: those records take off, then they're like, he's not the producer.
Speaker 1: That's that's right, right, that's actually that's that's when it's corny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what's what's easier for This question goes to both
Speaker 1: for y'all, because there's there's this, there's there's beatmakers, and
Speaker 1: then there's producers. Like I always credit for Rall but
Speaker 1: being my first production I had, I had beats before,
Speaker 1: but for Wrell came to me and was like, just
Speaker 1: give me the rhymes. That was and I had the
Speaker 1: rhymes and he did every fucking thing. Whoever whisper with blacks.
Speaker 1: But what's the difference to y'all, what is easier for
Speaker 1: you to work with a person who's producing the beat?
Speaker 1: Are just doing a beat or a person who's actually
Speaker 1: producing the record? It's dead for the hook there for
Speaker 1: the and now as a producer, yeah, I mean I can.
Speaker 1: I consider myself a producer, so I could do both, like,
Speaker 1: but it's just it just has to be a producer
Speaker 1: that I trust. So if I'm working with him, I'll
Speaker 1: just give I can just give him the raps. I'm
Speaker 1: good with that promote. I can just give him the wraps,
Speaker 1: you know, um if it's if it's um. The difference
Speaker 1: to me is a beat maker just makes beats. That's it.
Speaker 1: Beat maker makes beats and and they're good too. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to beat Let me let me just clarify that,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sound dismissive at all, Like beat
Speaker 1: makers are dope. I love beat makers. Beat makers. They
Speaker 1: can send beats all day and we can take them.
Speaker 1: It's a different part of the process. Yes, it's just
Speaker 1: a different part of the process. A producer seats to
Speaker 1: all the way through, so somebody like him or somebody
Speaker 1: like me can come into the room and we may
Speaker 1: take something away from it that may make it what
Speaker 1: it needs to be. It's just knowing how to get
Speaker 1: it there. That's it. Everybody start out and when you start,
Speaker 1: when you go in the studio, you're gonna start off
Speaker 1: just making beats. It's gonna be one thing that you're
Speaker 1: gonna gravitate towards and anything you start producing that idea
Speaker 1: more than something else. You spend more time on that
Speaker 1: one thing. Right, So I think everybody can do butth
Speaker 1: But when you say a beat maker, that's people that
Speaker 1: I think about when I go to something the beat
Speaker 1: to beat, uh, like showcases and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 1: what they do. They come into wow you in that
Speaker 1: first two You know what I'm saying, and that's it.
Speaker 1: They don't even think about the music and how a
Speaker 1: person gotta wrap over it. You don't know what party
Speaker 1: gonna wrap over none of that, Like I'll get it.
Speaker 1: I used to give him a beat and we used
Speaker 1: to Now we won't probably have those arguments be could
Speaker 1: I give him the beating in here give back? And
Speaker 1: it's like, man, why you wrap over that part? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know I was getting on the nerves
Speaker 1: when I was doing that. I realized that until he
Speaker 1: started happening to produce for Marshall and I get him
Speaker 1: a beating. He took it and flipped it all around
Speaker 1: and made it and I heard it like whoa, But
Speaker 1: so now I know what are he's talking about. If
Speaker 1: you start off with just some people start off they
Speaker 1: just making peace. But until they learned, until somebody turned
Speaker 1: out enough music from him, was like, let's say they
Speaker 1: get your beating, you don't rep on and it's like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: why ain't it landing Because you're not producing it for somebody,
Speaker 1: You're not leaving space for him. You're just trying to
Speaker 1: show off. Like I love the idea, but you know,
Speaker 1: I might take the idea and turn it into whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, you might break it down and give it
Speaker 1: to a person and arrange it the right way. You
Speaker 1: might change something slight as and sneering something. Those things matter,
Speaker 1: The little things matter. So just depending on the person
Speaker 1: and who you're getting from. There's a lot of beat makers,
Speaker 1: but producers, it ain't a lot of that going on.
Speaker 1: It ain't a lot of that going on. You could tell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels that way too, because a lot of the
Speaker 1: records wouldn't sign the same producers help with the artist
Speaker 1: development too. I think that's a that's another element that's missing,
Speaker 1: the whole artist development. That's that's what I'm drying back
Speaker 1: to the game. Should we need to work together? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to. I wanna um. I want to help
Speaker 1: round artists. That's all we're trying to do. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like because I mean, sorry
Speaker 1: like to say this and like, you know, sorry to
Speaker 1: bring this up, but you know, everyone rest in piece
Speaker 1: to pop smoke. You know what I'm saying. Let's have
Speaker 1: a moment of silence. If your guys are back there,
Speaker 1: let's don't let's don't move for at least eight seconds.
Speaker 1: For Kobe, you know, I mean recipes Kobe of speech
Speaker 1: prop smoke, But it was something that hit me about
Speaker 1: pop Smoke was I've been going to those Hollywood hills
Speaker 1: like where that should happened for twenty years. We only
Speaker 1: rent those places for parties. We do not rent those
Speaker 1: places to stay to live there, to live there. So
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, that's why young homies, you
Speaker 1: should reach out to your ogs, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like he could have hit a person like Buster, and
Speaker 1: Buster would have told him a meeting like yo, you listen, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's cool to kill there. But you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have to be meat, didn't necessarily have to
Speaker 1: be you know, but bust the rhymes a fact, Joe, Like,
Speaker 1: there's people that could tell you I'm saying, especially being
Speaker 1: from New York, Like, that's why you know, it's important
Speaker 1: you guys with a t grizzy situation because he should
Speaker 1: reach out for game for you like and especially because
Speaker 1: I don't I don't you know, our time we really
Speaker 1: didn't have drama like that. But the fact that's got
Speaker 1: to remember Biggie Smalls got killed from he was going
Speaker 1: out there, so we was taking precautions like I remember
Speaker 1: renting those mansions or renting those houses rather and not
Speaker 1: even staying there. Like we would literally rent there, have
Speaker 1: a taste makers meeting or whatever, have something, and then
Speaker 1: as soon as we would all break out, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So when I seen that now to
Speaker 1: say that that was the only thing that happened to Pops,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to you know what I mean. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was just it's just simple game like that
Speaker 1: that we can help our young brothers with, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And um, I want to. I want
Speaker 1: to help do that. I want to help people transition
Speaker 1: from being just a rapper to being a personality, to
Speaker 1: being a podcaster to being h radio or someone on
Speaker 1: radio or something like that, because you know what, rap
Speaker 1: is a vehicle and the vehicle is not something you
Speaker 1: should live in. Vehicle is something to get you from
Speaker 1: one place to another. For that, I felt smart just now,
Speaker 1: I'm not drinking. The journey. It's a journey. The success
Speaker 1: is a journey. I've been telling my youngest this. This
Speaker 1: is the success is a journey. In the art itself
Speaker 1: is a destination. It's a place that you need to
Speaker 1: get to get to that place and just express yourself
Speaker 1: and then through that all things are possible. You could
Speaker 1: do anything off of that platform. And you know what
Speaker 1: I noticed very starry to cut um change it up
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, I notice the older we
Speaker 1: get and we're still successful, the easier it is for
Speaker 1: the youngest to listen to it. I feel like, the
Speaker 1: older we get and if we don't have that success,
Speaker 1: that we don't have certain that's easy because I used
Speaker 1: to be like that when I was younger, Like who
Speaker 1: is that? Like you want to tell me what did
Speaker 1: he go platinum for? Like you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that you'd be saying, like dumb ship like that then.
Speaker 1: So that's the reason why I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why I don't reach out to some
Speaker 1: of these young generation dudes, like because I figured myself
Speaker 1: like when I first, um, I say this, I've said
Speaker 1: this before when I first met Walker Flocca and when
Speaker 1: I first met me, I didn't like them. But I
Speaker 1: realized I didn't like them because they reminded me of me,
Speaker 1: and I hate see twenty four year old met eight.
Speaker 1: I was like, what them like? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's wild, Like, do you think do
Speaker 1: you think though that today that that is that we
Speaker 1: totally acted different though we treated like I was excited
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah difference. It's like they're
Speaker 1: only excited to me. You think they're just excited to
Speaker 1: meet the people that I mean kind of kind of
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: um damn. It kind of existed the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: we all old niggas godless of we want to you know,
Speaker 1: we're looking good, we're looking good, and so many other
Speaker 1: people like Kanye is actually older than me, but Kanye
Speaker 1: came out later than me, came out in that type
Speaker 1: of generation. So they look at Kanye like he's twenty
Speaker 1: years younger than me, and they look at me like
Speaker 1: I'm nine hundred because I came out seven herb and seven.
Speaker 1: So they're like, what, you know, what I think they
Speaker 1: need to understand they should try to understand is that
Speaker 1: we don't have to care. That's where we could we
Speaker 1: could take it. We could take our money and just
Speaker 1: go chill on the boat somewhere and be like we
Speaker 1: got y'all, stay in the trenches. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's a young man's game. I
Speaker 1: think I think, you know, but I don't even say
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm I'm talking about the way that
Speaker 1: young people look at evolving. It's not a young man
Speaker 1: no no, but for them, the currency that matters is
Speaker 1: like s and follows. Like if this old lady is popping,
Speaker 1: she's the ship right now. So it's not a young
Speaker 1: man or young lady's game anymore. She's popping, So I
Speaker 1: want to take a photo with her, So that's what matters. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what matters. That's what that's interesting though. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like that, that's what That's what we're having a hard
Speaker 1: time wrapping our heads around. But like all is the
Speaker 1: biggest R and B singer out right now, comedian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is real ship. Every fucking record he dropped I
Speaker 1: funk with Man, don't black Man, Don't cheat, um uh
Speaker 1: my ole bit, and then he got this other ship.
Speaker 1: I ain't even on this ship, but I look nasty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fun people are making nasty videos
Speaker 1: and they got wild looking the nigga, looking at the nigga, nasty.
Speaker 1: Holy ship people. People, people are open to be entertained
Speaker 1: in any anyways. Anyway, little Walls the biggest that Nigga
Speaker 1: is like the new usher that little ball the new
Speaker 1: usher man. But but real quick, but back to everything
Speaker 1: we're talking about. And this is my opinion. I think
Speaker 1: that what you're doing and it's it's about us being
Speaker 1: comfortable in our skins and doing what we do and
Speaker 1: and artfully doing it and not thinking about what they're
Speaker 1: thinking about, which is the likes and the follows is
Speaker 1: what's where we're gonna We're gonna follow that lead. We
Speaker 1: need to be the O g s that we were
Speaker 1: supposed to be. That conversation, it's like, don't numbers and
Speaker 1: all that kind of should it just never mattered. It
Speaker 1: can't matter. It shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter, man, don't matter.
Speaker 1: That's all they think about that. I mean, we gotta
Speaker 1: pay bills, if we gotta pay attention to all that ship.
Speaker 1: We gotta understand that it just happens. Though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got like, you know, friends, you know people that I do.
Speaker 1: You know I do things well, you know, and they'll
Speaker 1: still be like, can you follow me on the grams?
Speaker 1: Like you just asked me for Yeah, you already following
Speaker 1: like me, this is the fun up world we're living in.
Speaker 1: You know, like this is it's currency. It literally is
Speaker 1: like when you think about it in that way, that's
Speaker 1: the currency. Listen, that's what they But we can't see
Speaker 1: it that way of coming from where we come from
Speaker 1: because you know why we was talking to move away
Speaker 1: from the cameras we were talking, not like if we
Speaker 1: really know people from our era, like the first five
Speaker 1: minutes of them being on camera it's uncomfortable, but they
Speaker 1: technically be looking like this like anybody that's really from
Speaker 1: like the nineties, that's really they're like the first five
Speaker 1: seconds of them walking into something st pay attention, then
Speaker 1: looking at their head down because everything that they were
Speaker 1: towards said this is the you know, we're legal now,
Speaker 1: so that that it only takes five minutes, So that
Speaker 1: six minutes you're like, yo, motherfucker, you gotta get in here,
Speaker 1: you got do your job. But that first five minutes,
Speaker 1: that's that's why I know Meek is a real nigga's
Speaker 1: because if you look at Meek's interviews, like his first
Speaker 1: people like this, it's because he comes from that that
Speaker 1: like to stay right from the ship as opposed to this.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's people that do things for the
Speaker 1: people are asking me for a favor. People will ask
Speaker 1: me to do this or ask me can they come
Speaker 1: over here? And I'll do it and I'll take a
Speaker 1: picture with them, and then they'll say, well, can you
Speaker 1: follow me on the girl phone? And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: my dude, like I followed you in real life. In
Speaker 1: real life, you just call gone. We had drinks in
Speaker 1: my kitchen. When you have that, that's all that always
Speaker 1: bothered me. It's like, you don't like this, you don't
Speaker 1: do this. You don't do this, like you got my
Speaker 1: phone number, just her favorite one. You don't even follow
Speaker 1: me on the ground like like like you deliberately not
Speaker 1: like I over that my phone is that I'm not
Speaker 1: following listening. You know, I just can't get around to it.
Speaker 1: You don't that you're not even gonna see the message.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna see you. One of my holies, one
Speaker 1: of my tour of my homies, is arguing one day
Speaker 1: about me on my ground, about me. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, you know the homies. See you said, now,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Homiesee, you got so much followers.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, he got to see my name though,
Speaker 1: said listen, man, homies, you know, and I did see.
Speaker 1: It's like your comments. These things had a twelve day
Speaker 1: comments like you know, I'm looking like damn nigga. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not answering, you know, because I wanted to. I
Speaker 1: wanted to do the little hard and like you know,
Speaker 1: high watching like you know when they're talking, like I
Speaker 1: listened to it. I watched it. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: other niggas just fight it out. I'll tell you. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you another thing I learned. I learned the hard
Speaker 1: way to following certain women on the Graham's cheating. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like if you realized that, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Wait a minute too, okay following brother, Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I knew that when you found it. Don't like a
Speaker 1: picture like like divorce, you got a pretty talking you
Speaker 1: you like it? This man copy minds with you here,
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that's like the new form of
Speaker 1: kid like. I didn't know that. First of all, I
Speaker 1: didn't know how the d M. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: and didn't know how to DM. No, I didn't know
Speaker 1: a DM. I didn't even know it was a whole. No,
Speaker 1: the that's a hold on the planet knows another DM
Speaker 1: in the DM what g and then primary, oh yeah
Speaker 1: got multiple MN ship. That ship I don't even get
Speaker 1: because well I found out every now and then because
Speaker 1: it'll be an artist that would hit me, or be
Speaker 1: a football player that would be like yo. And so
Speaker 1: every now and then I had to learn how to
Speaker 1: do that because someone wanted to see me in the
Speaker 1: club and it'll be like a real like like yo,
Speaker 1: and I'm like word, and I'm like, how about to
Speaker 1: do this? And I'd like to do One thing you
Speaker 1: don't want to do is actually white how do you
Speaker 1: work to d M s Because it's like it's like
Speaker 1: figure it out, Like I was like, this is in
Speaker 1: case of some accident. I don't want to do. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know like it listen, ain't acting on it
Speaker 1: when you know everything and then you want to look
Speaker 1: and say alright, cool, this it on me. I still
Speaker 1: got it. It was. It makes it nor that it's not.
Speaker 1: But social media, like I always imagine Tupac with a
Speaker 1: Twitter man like man one of the East Coast, West Coast,
Speaker 1: because I think he wouldn't hear. I think he would
Speaker 1: have hated Instagram. I think Pun would have destroyed Instagram.
Speaker 1: He would have comedic. I think he was I think
Speaker 1: he would have been the main killer. I think Biggie
Speaker 1: Smalls would have been the thriller king TikTok, yeah something.
Speaker 1: Biggie was one of the most trendiest, funniest people ever hilarious.
Speaker 1: Pun Pun was big was like no hold on to
Speaker 1: be back. Big was was was fun because he was
Speaker 1: the first one, Like he was the first one I've
Speaker 1: ever seen it. So I felt like Pun took all
Speaker 1: the Biggie ship and took it and perfected it. Like
Speaker 1: Pun would really have water gun fights, but I'm talking
Speaker 1: about zero zero below in the morning, like like, like,
Speaker 1: listen to me, this is one of the fucking worst
Speaker 1: ship I've ever seen. They was running traders with these bitches.
Speaker 1: We want to find that. Hey man, it's running trisy
Speaker 1: business is on. This is on thirty second or twenty
Speaker 1: third Street like by Kelsea Dina And I don't know
Speaker 1: why they wanted to do this, but this is how
Speaker 1: it was in the nineties. So Pun stances two boys
Speaker 1: to fill up the super Squirter. But it's zero below
Speaker 1: outside Bro, this was the the Sprint of Vans. Before
Speaker 1: they was to Sprint of Vans. He was calling the
Speaker 1: fantastic right. So they jump off with the two girls
Speaker 1: and punting. Since this guys the load of the Supersquirter.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, I go off to smoke a cigarette.
Speaker 1: I smoked cigarettes there, and I see them loading up
Speaker 1: the supersquirter. The problem was they were loading up the
Speaker 1: super Squirriter with the snow slush. M hmm, foul. You know.
Speaker 1: I imagine there's some yellow snow. I can't visually see it,
Speaker 1: but so I looked, and this is when I knew
Speaker 1: I was officially a foul nigger because I was smoking
Speaker 1: a cigarette and I seen the girls coming out. I
Speaker 1: could have fully warned these bitches, like go the other way,
Speaker 1: but I wanted and everything. My mama heard. My mama
Speaker 1: telling me, boy, tell them, girls are going and I
Speaker 1: was like, Mama, let me just see this. And I
Speaker 1: stood there. I looked, and they didn't even talk to
Speaker 1: each other putting them. They just looked at each other
Speaker 1: and then chicks came out and they squirted up. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it was so cold that her ship
Speaker 1: got icicles like her damn, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: and then she following around him. I got the ship
Speaker 1: on tape. It's terrible, Like it's terrible documentary. So you
Speaker 1: you forgot to mention that she were videotaping. Yes, I
Speaker 1: totally got that. More got told you I saw that
Speaker 1: was part of the whole process. I was mama and
Speaker 1: video table. I wasn't proud of it, but that's the
Speaker 1: ship that we used to do in the nineties. Like
Speaker 1: the nineties was just a totally different era. No one
Speaker 1: was telling y'all, this was none of this. Do you
Speaker 1: think a person like Sakashi sixth line would exist in
Speaker 1: this game? Then? I don't know if they would have
Speaker 1: been able to know, but I was around. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna be honest, and I think me
Speaker 1: and Finn has admitted to this a couple of times,
Speaker 1: not once. I think it's awful, not him per se,
Speaker 1: not him per se. But like I said earlier, like
Speaker 1: I didn't really reach out to a lot of the
Speaker 1: young dudes. I really just didn't because I for a
Speaker 1: long time the older people in the hip hop at first,
Speaker 1: they really didn't accept me. They didn't embrace us. Like
Speaker 1: that because the older you know, the Mellie Miles, the
Speaker 1: Grand Master Flashes at first, and now that I'm not
Speaker 1: in their position, but now that I'm older, I see
Speaker 1: like like like I like Gazella Gazella the other day. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we want them to get on. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like I gave him a trial period, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure they was gonna be like
Speaker 1: and once they was there, like and I felt like,
Speaker 1: I feel like Mellie Mele grandmus to Flash cool heard.
Speaker 1: I feel like all of them kind of gave me
Speaker 1: that too. It kind of was like, I, homeboy, you
Speaker 1: got a great album, war report is good, boom all
Speaker 1: you came back with an R EO or what what?
Speaker 1: That's something different? But they made me and then once
Speaker 1: I said yo, I'm here. Once I then they embraced me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I felt like I
Speaker 1: felt like this whack. Let me tell you why. I
Speaker 1: feel like you should embrace everybody from them agin and
Speaker 1: then and I feel like it's oppously. I feel like
Speaker 1: we should brace everyone from the beginning. And then those
Speaker 1: person uh get their way out of that circle. They
Speaker 1: earned their way out of the circle, as opposed to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna keep you out of the
Speaker 1: circle until you you deserve yourself in and the way
Speaker 1: less mistakes because because you know what, I took on
Speaker 1: that thing, and I would look at certain artists and
Speaker 1: even drink chance. To a certain extent, this is only
Speaker 1: for people who've been here ten years. So um so
Speaker 1: so even it's to a certain extent, it's like I, um,
Speaker 1: we have to bid certain rules. We have to like
Speaker 1: if a person's here for seven years, you're putting in network,
Speaker 1: and I know you're gonna be here. You're here for
Speaker 1: five years, you put in net work, I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be here. You gotta you gotta, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So but I think there's no but I
Speaker 1: think it was all. I think what the reason why
Speaker 1: I said is our fault is that when we grew
Speaker 1: up and saying the nineties era, early nineties, we wasn't
Speaker 1: like I didn't grow up in grad match flash Mellie
Speaker 1: mel Era, I didn't. We didn't dress like them. Actually
Speaker 1: that didn't era, do you know what I'm saying? But
Speaker 1: that yeah, and even then. But but what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is the Arab right that we were listening
Speaker 1: to was bigging them up. And so we took them
Speaker 1: and said, if you say that this is the way,
Speaker 1: then this is our pioneers, and we gotta respect this.
Speaker 1: And so when I said that what what our generation did,
Speaker 1: and I say, all, I'm not saying that I did this, DJ,
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't do this, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying totality, we did not do the same
Speaker 1: thing for the younger generation coming after us. We didn't say, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick these people up so much that you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to automatically say, of course these are our pioneers.
Speaker 1: Of course, these are the people we should look up to.
Speaker 1: We stopped because this is when hip hop started making
Speaker 1: money and we wanted to be forever. We wanted to
Speaker 1: be popping balls in the club, and we were like,
Speaker 1: we don't care about people before us, and were looking
Speaker 1: at we were looking at each other as competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we was looking at the young ins like competition
Speaker 1: back then, you know, and me getting drunk every day.
Speaker 1: But it's a financial thing too. It was a financial
Speaker 1: stop putting things in perspective. I'm just on the chase.
Speaker 1: I'm on the chase, and I'm figuring things out as
Speaker 1: I go. Now that I get to this place, it's
Speaker 1: like fun. Damn. It never was about that. It never
Speaker 1: was about that. It never was about being a tough guy,
Speaker 1: never was about you know what I'm saying. Like, and
Speaker 1: then you're able to put things into perspective once you
Speaker 1: get to that place, you gotta apply that ship. You
Speaker 1: gotta apply it, you know what I mean, and started
Speaker 1: to cut you out. But the difference is I feel
Speaker 1: today is that people respect the dollar, what what people
Speaker 1: made in this industry, where I feel like our generation
Speaker 1: respected what you did for the culture, Like you didn't
Speaker 1: have to make a goddamn dollar. But if you, if
Speaker 1: I knew that you were important to the culture, that
Speaker 1: you were the richest person in the world in my mind.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen that Mexican kid that rhymed on
Speaker 1: l alekas what's his name, I don't know Mexican kid.
Speaker 1: He is hard what's his name? I don't know viral
Speaker 1: from Tiajuana at all. Yeah, but he don't look at
Speaker 1: like he looked like he's moving reeen like he like
Speaker 1: he don't like like hey like I'm told about, but
Speaker 1: I'm to about his bars, like I don't know what
Speaker 1: to be seen playing. Let me see, let me see
Speaker 1: his face. He's on the l A leaguers because I
Speaker 1: was on yard long here. Yeah, like I told you,
Speaker 1: look at the wolf. What's his name? Let me see? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh man, he care because I'm watching l A leaking
Speaker 1: ship and then he popped up right after that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: because I'm looking like, hold on, man, you know, booming
Speaker 1: and he starts spinning home and ship hip hop is different, man,
Speaker 1: But yeah, we sucked up? Man. Just what the fund
Speaker 1: is that a lot of people. I felt like some
Speaker 1: people may have may have been they might not be
Speaker 1: able to embrace the newer generation because they feel like
Speaker 1: they ship might be running out, or they might have
Speaker 1: been a little scared the turner, you know, the past
Speaker 1: that along the fast. I'll tell you the truth. I
Speaker 1: think it's actual. I think it's deeper than wrap things. Actually,
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods like if you realize and again, um, this
Speaker 1: is allegedly because I don't know technically, if you look
Speaker 1: like Chicago, I remember Chicago was safe. It was still
Speaker 1: dangerous for people in Chicago, but it was safe because
Speaker 1: all the ogs had everything in control. I remember going
Speaker 1: to compete Green two thirty three o'clock at night and
Speaker 1: nis like, Nori, you're good. I'm hearing shots and like
Speaker 1: the shots going over there. You're good, you stay right here.
Speaker 1: I remember that. But then it was up time when
Speaker 1: they took all the ogs away. And this is when
Speaker 1: Chicago to me, this is allegedly. There's no pure facts.
Speaker 1: This is just what I see since the o G
Speaker 1: since to Larry, who was since these people got took away,
Speaker 1: Since these you know, I don't want to keep since
Speaker 1: they got took away, Chicago is the wildest place on art.
Speaker 1: It's not one of the wilders. But I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1: For me, I don't know saying this is facts. But
Speaker 1: when I seen the old g s there, I felt safer.
Speaker 1: It was it was an order, like people wasn't just
Speaker 1: doing nothing. Now it feels like the wild wild Watch.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but but what you're saying happened
Speaker 1: on the street level. I feel like hip hop didn't itself.
Speaker 1: We took ourselves out of That's my point. My point
Speaker 1: was we followed the streets. I'm saying that right, But
Speaker 1: the streets people got locked up. The system took him
Speaker 1: out of the streets. We just said we got locked
Speaker 1: up to but it's it's reporters just said it's we
Speaker 1: got locked up. In the mind. If I helped this
Speaker 1: is a little dude, then they might start working with him. Something.
Speaker 1: I felt like some people might have had that right,
Speaker 1: and they've been and of course the younger generation we
Speaker 1: I mean ship, we might have felt like that plenty
Speaker 1: of times when we walked in and people was more
Speaker 1: scared of what you could do. Of course you're scared
Speaker 1: people when you do that fast, because that's that's that's
Speaker 1: what it's about. Collaboration is about me giving you my
Speaker 1: fans you give me. Yeah, that's what That's what we were.
Speaker 1: That's what we remember. And we can't deny the the
Speaker 1: industry side of it, Like the the machine that doesn't
Speaker 1: care about culture, doesn't care about what's going on. They're
Speaker 1: just like, we just want to make money and investment,
Speaker 1: and so they don't care. So whatever they think is
Speaker 1: a fat they're gonna go ahead and replicate it and
Speaker 1: then keep it moving, you know, and then they spend
Speaker 1: marketing dollars to market that to you. Right, This is
Speaker 1: the kind of record you need to be making. So
Speaker 1: all the youngest coming up just all they gotta do
Speaker 1: is watch TV and they just want to be that.
Speaker 1: I heard you say that when you got the Sony,
Speaker 1: When you got the Sony, that you hired the stylus,
Speaker 1: you you had grinded what that wasn't your that that
Speaker 1: wasn't your idea. No, okay, you remember the stylars name.
Speaker 1: I remember her name, but I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to say because she was a good star,
Speaker 1: she was a good stolars. It just the things that
Speaker 1: she was pulling. It wasn't me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Everyone has a shiny sup moment in the hip hop
Speaker 1: everyone um today huh today, I'm telling like us, like
Speaker 1: our generation. I think. I think. I think I think
Speaker 1: because when we come into the game, we're accepting, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because we don't really know exactly
Speaker 1: what we I didn't know. I didn't even know how
Speaker 1: to make albums, So you know, of course I was
Speaker 1: willing to try some ship because at that moment, I
Speaker 1: just thought I wanted to be famous, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like, you know, everything is trial area,
Speaker 1: so you you're willing to you're willing to try some things.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be looked at. It's hard to
Speaker 1: work with. You don't want to be looked at. It
Speaker 1: all these things which I ended up being called all
Speaker 1: of those things. Anyway, you look for change. And I
Speaker 1: used to go on the elevators and white ladies just
Speaker 1: look at me and be like, what did anybody look
Speaker 1: at you crazy for having a goat? Because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just white. People looked at you. Everybody looks at
Speaker 1: you crazy. But but but but but in retrospect, because
Speaker 1: goat like really something, this is nominous for our culture.
Speaker 1: I don't see other people saying go and really like,
Speaker 1: so you have a goat grain You've ever been on
Speaker 1: a plane and somebody just looked at you. I haven't
Speaker 1: warned it on the plane yet. You haven't worn it
Speaker 1: on the plane yet. But it attracts a lot of attention.
Speaker 1: It attracts a lot of attention. That's why I don't
Speaker 1: really wear it that much. I mean I had it.
Speaker 1: I had it on pretty much every day for my
Speaker 1: for my for my press round from intensive purposes. But
Speaker 1: I don't really wear it like that, man, you know,
Speaker 1: because whenever I wear it. Somebody asked me something. It
Speaker 1: made you get it. I wanted to pay my respects
Speaker 1: to all the goats. I wanted to pay my respects
Speaker 1: to all the goats. And also, um, I think the
Speaker 1: world on myself lyrically, and I want to show the
Speaker 1: younger generation that you should think the world to yourself.
Speaker 1: So you know you are saying you are a goat.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm in the conversation. Now, goddamn,
Speaker 1: let's say you are saying you are. I listened to
Speaker 1: your albums. I wanted you to not I wanted you.
Speaker 1: I wanted to catch a slip up. I wanted to
Speaker 1: catch like you. You know, I'm tight with a vocal
Speaker 1: or being lazy somewhere, and you really took gift for
Speaker 1: the time, and I am I correct with that like
Speaker 1: you like damn always. I mean not when I was drinking. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I listened the whole for the album. I had to
Speaker 1: do the whole ship all drunk. I did it all drunk.
Speaker 1: I wasted. I'm telling you this classic though, what makes
Speaker 1: the classics. I'm telling you, man, you go back and
Speaker 1: you fix all that ship. It's too clean to this day.
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't. I won't sucking drink while I
Speaker 1: vocals because it's a wasting time. You notice a difference, No,
Speaker 1: I always slar like even if no one else can't
Speaker 1: catch it. I listened to myself and like fun because
Speaker 1: you're thinking more now, Yeah yeah yeah black. Then it
Speaker 1: was more of a film. Yeah yeah, So like, um
Speaker 1: I did uh? I record with Mr Elliott on um
Speaker 1: I'm flat album, azy dogged out and I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: what we did. And I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: Missy people's I was drinking with, but I got drunken
Speaker 1: ship and I just laid whenever the fundus up and
Speaker 1: then Missy later hush, And I just always knew to
Speaker 1: change my first I always knew, but I go, like, damn,
Speaker 1: we did it like in the same vicinity, and if
Speaker 1: I do what, I'm gonna be able to suck it.
Speaker 1: This this as a girl too, she might just really
Speaker 1: blow it up. And like this didn't change and ship,
Speaker 1: so I just left it. But I always was. I
Speaker 1: believe she's smoking. I believe it, bro I believe I
Speaker 1: had two worst to make it worst smoking. And I
Speaker 1: paid the vote too. I paid it to smoke me,
Speaker 1: but I always knew and I crep with that, and
Speaker 1: since then I had never recorded drunk again, Like I
Speaker 1: mean I have recorded drunk, but that that record has
Speaker 1: never came out. I mean like that version of me
Speaker 1: being drunk. What about body and the trunk with nas
Speaker 1: no body? Trump was so with Ship yea, but not
Speaker 1: when we're smoking, like when I say so, but I
Speaker 1: mean not drinking to me, this is this is this
Speaker 1: is my my cigarette instead of smoking cigarette. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a sober session that ship. Um. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: spoke to the other day. He's I think he's in
Speaker 1: that light, living his best life out there Bahamas. All
Speaker 1: types of ship man goddam you know that that like
Speaker 1: when I hear you guys speak about him and see
Speaker 1: the normality. I don't know if that's a word, but
Speaker 1: you know, the normalism. It always because like like when
Speaker 1: I speak to Jail, I speak to that, like I
Speaker 1: always was saying, I always a funk with them, like
Speaker 1: ask them some normal ship like just to see if
Speaker 1: they know. And it's always like it's always crazy, like
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I suppose Jay the other day and
Speaker 1: I was just like, um, it was I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it was um the day pop Smoke died. So I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you know, be safe and you know me,
Speaker 1: and then he was just like, yo, man, the kid
Speaker 1: was only twenty years old. And I was just saying
Speaker 1: the generic would just be safe. He was like the
Speaker 1: kids only twenty years old. And I was just like, damn,
Speaker 1: he really fucking knows, like I ain't gonna lie be
Speaker 1: things that I wouldn't be thinking about. None of you
Speaker 1: niggers never thought out. You wouldn't even understand the level
Speaker 1: of Hollywood, my dude, Like, Yo, did you see Kanye?
Speaker 1: Just now? Kanye went to Sunday service in Paris and
Speaker 1: he had to do with the umbrella for it, sneakers,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what we had to do with the umbrella?
Speaker 1: Just wanted seekers what you mean for a sea look
Speaker 1: like he had other security, right, yeah, other security out
Speaker 1: there as he was walking out right. But so he's
Speaker 1: getting out to the joint, so it looks like if
Speaker 1: you look, it looks like he's just holding Unbrella, but
Speaker 1: other people there if you look at the wide angle
Speaker 1: and other people there, so it looks like this guy
Speaker 1: just he got steps off the car and as the
Speaker 1: one sneaker comes out, the umbrella comes for the sneaker,
Speaker 1: right that. I never saw that before. I said, I
Speaker 1: think we should make some know how, you know, if
Speaker 1: the petty motherfucking I don't spend that half an hour
Speaker 1: and try to figure out what the fun is because
Speaker 1: it's not. I was like, only ship, but yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got here? How did you
Speaker 1: get here? Came back? I don't know how long, because
Speaker 1: like you were meeting to be in Hollywood. If you can't, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me get back to that. Let
Speaker 1: me get back to that. Let me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: You know. The King does the moon, Yeah, like that.
Speaker 1: VALUE took pictures with recently, the King of some fucking
Speaker 1: moon though. Yeah yeah, man, I saw you picture all
Speaker 1: over the fucking gram. He's from my ans, he said,
Speaker 1: he's an print of someplace in Africa. For real, I'm
Speaker 1: taking prints with just that. Drugs, Like I was supposed
Speaker 1: to have his phone number, so that jam I was
Speaker 1: talking about when these guys were talking about jeez, so
Speaker 1: you guys don't miss doing drugs at all. Right, listen,
Speaker 1: man each his own because he me me. I believe
Speaker 1: it's it's about the person. Like, you know, it's about
Speaker 1: the person. Like, um, I've known a person named Keith
Speaker 1: who five years like crazy, then five years, will go
Speaker 1: to the army, then come back, two years, will be
Speaker 1: out head in two more years, go to the army.
Speaker 1: So like I knew people who knew how to really
Speaker 1: really control it. So um, but then I knew people
Speaker 1: who did who could I know people who are still
Speaker 1: out there. So what was the moment where it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is it for me? What was what was your rock?
Speaker 1: Is it rock bottom that you have to hear? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I think, I think um. In order to truly get
Speaker 1: yourself prepared to go into sobriety and work the steps
Speaker 1: and work the ship, you gotta be over it. You
Speaker 1: gotta be tired of it, you know, like into me.
Speaker 1: So many different things happened to me as a result
Speaker 1: of just being drunk all the time. And I made
Speaker 1: so many bad decisions, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: hurt people, you know what I mean, like just just
Speaker 1: everything bad in my life. Just you know, I nominated
Speaker 1: was always alcohol fat bitches, Uh, A couple of fat bitches.
Speaker 1: I mean that was easy, that's easy. I feel like
Speaker 1: he kept the standards This is in no way any
Speaker 1: shot too over look, what do you call it? Plus
Speaker 1: sign plus size women. I was about to say oversize
Speaker 1: that a little bad would have got bad friends. This
Speaker 1: is in no way any type of shot to plus
Speaker 1: size women. I don't think I've ever really done that
Speaker 1: like that, But I mean it was way deeper than that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I got into a car accident my
Speaker 1: first bolder. Let's keep it light right now. A couple
Speaker 1: of ugly bitches though, yeah, we all business. We all
Speaker 1: snashed the ship in the morning. Was like, no, I
Speaker 1: think I think that was like part of being a
Speaker 1: rapper coming from the nineties. You know, we just did
Speaker 1: as the Romans. Dude, we just came in. We have
Speaker 1: a wing man. Anybody, I'm not gonna lie, let me
Speaker 1: your something. One of years of faces, not recently Capone
Speaker 1: was the best wing man in the game. He'll take
Speaker 1: the one anything, they'll take the friends no power, Like
Speaker 1: you know, you got the bad one and she got
Speaker 1: the ugly ugly that like different you look at du
Speaker 1: get all your other friends to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: I got I got, I got, I got Kimberly Sydney
Speaker 1: what Sydney, I ain't gonna I kim believe I got Kimberly,
Speaker 1: all right, they got take sitting, I take down take anything.
Speaker 1: Then my whole, my whole career is wing man in
Speaker 1: the game. My whole career. I've been with my wife
Speaker 1: the whole time, and so my whole drink while I
Speaker 1: was drinking that whole process with just a struggle to
Speaker 1: try to stay faithful, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: I never was the wing man? Ship? Was you a
Speaker 1: wingman or been winged? I've definitely been you've been a wingman.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me for amy, don't tell me you how
Speaker 1: he was a wing man? You know what I do know?
Speaker 1: Yah know he's a way man. For proof I be.
Speaker 1: I definitely women proof. He did not play but a
Speaker 1: man approve of grabs some tricks on the dance, but
Speaker 1: we'd be dancing and Ship, I've been a wingman a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Have you been a wing man? You?
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie if you were drunk that you
Speaker 1: might have been wing man together. You seem a little
Speaker 1: wing ish me and now hanging out together in that
Speaker 1: and that way. Now, yeah, I know, huh crave digs funk.
Speaker 1: You acted like you the devil that knows Scinder give
Speaker 1: me sight to grave days, dude, are you wrong? We'll see.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite part about the game? This what just seeing.
Speaker 1: And when we first started working together, one thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to do was hear people mention him as the
Speaker 1: best th I don't know if we talked we said it,
Speaker 1: but it was like one of the things that I
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, I want people to know what I
Speaker 1: know about you, and I think the growth and watching
Speaker 1: that growth and watching it happens. Being a producer ain't
Speaker 1: just producing music. Sometimes you're producing people. You're producing character
Speaker 1: and trying to Because when he went through, that's what
Speaker 1: made me be like, all right, I'm not gonna drink.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this. It made me chill the
Speaker 1: funk out because I seemed like all of your unit
Speaker 1: got tight after that, like m you um even like yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all tell me, do you tell me if this is straight?
Speaker 1: Like around that time, Dr Dre made everyone go to
Speaker 1: the studio that I mean, to the to the gym.
Speaker 1: I heard. I heard he made the engineers. I heard
Speaker 1: he made the intern He definitely did. He had everybody
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, it was all on it. When when
Speaker 1: everybody that was there, you know, but and it felt
Speaker 1: like m did somewhat the same thing, which didn't force
Speaker 1: nobody to do because it was his battlem Okay, So
Speaker 1: still in the studios, there's people still smoking around. Don't
Speaker 1: know that that's it's just I mean, slaughter house. At
Speaker 1: one point, it was a couple of times, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't at the studio all the time. He used to
Speaker 1: let us use the studio sometimes before I had my studio.
Speaker 1: Who's spoken sort of house crooking Crook smokes, the guard
Speaker 1: smokes Guard. Now nobody was smoking. The Joe smoke cigarettes
Speaker 1: back here. I'm not even sure if he smokes. But
Speaker 1: it was just a lot of drinking. We used to.
Speaker 1: We used to use his studio and he'd come in
Speaker 1: and the next morning and they'll just be bottles and
Speaker 1: ship all over the place. He didn't care, okay about that?
Speaker 1: Is that a trigger for any of y'all, like when
Speaker 1: y'all see um Like, not for me, but I could
Speaker 1: I could see where that could be problematic for somebody else.
Speaker 1: I just prefer, I'm sorry, I mean to you, brother,
Speaker 1: I just prefer everybody to beat themselves, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because if you know, like if you get
Speaker 1: like when we worked on the last Slat of House
Speaker 1: album and I first guy sober, the one that didn't
Speaker 1: come out. I used to be in the studio Niggers
Speaker 1: used to be hiding bottles and ship like that. That's worse. Now.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm being handled. Treat me like an addict,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I just want everybody
Speaker 1: to be their selves. Whatever you need to do to
Speaker 1: get in your element, please do that, man, Because it's
Speaker 1: not like if you're hungry and you smell some steak
Speaker 1: being cooked. You know what I'm saying. It's nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It's way more mental than that, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: and you're not really defeating I don't think you're really
Speaker 1: beating your addiction when if you hide from it, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it allows you to keep exercising what you're
Speaker 1: already doing. Smoke a cigarettes. People will walk away from
Speaker 1: me when they're supposed to cigarette. I was like I said,
Speaker 1: I said that the guy outside of Houston is not
Speaker 1: gonna walk away from me. He's going to smoke a
Speaker 1: cigarette in front of me, just as well. I said
Speaker 1: for my friend Sunny d bt he smoked feet cigarettes
Speaker 1: like pneumon your feet and sand paper. It's terrible. That's
Speaker 1: what kind of marble American spirits Americans American? So you
Speaker 1: let me tell you something about the one with the
Speaker 1: Indian man on the fun. Yeah, you know, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Let me tell you something about fun.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. You know what you
Speaker 1: say they say, they say, if this was a person,
Speaker 1: this is if if if, if I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk about my life, was a cigarette right there? That
Speaker 1: ship right, yeah, that should smell. That'shr oval power to goal.
Speaker 1: You're smoking. To god, that's just my like fucking bust.
Speaker 1: Smoke is horrible, my god. So you guys don't miss
Speaker 1: get high. That's good, that's great. Let makes no noise
Speaker 1: for that. I don't massic. And you you faith, you
Speaker 1: you have you have a girl? No, no, no, So
Speaker 1: you're out there still still still I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you can have people in your life, but
Speaker 1: it's like trying to figure it out. Is that like
Speaker 1: I haven't done what I wanted to do with my
Speaker 1: life yet I'm not there, So it's like, what can
Speaker 1: I offer you if I'm not happy? M Jesus, you
Speaker 1: know it's deep. I can I can love you, I
Speaker 1: can love you, I can work with you. You can
Speaker 1: you can ride with me through the journey. But then
Speaker 1: the same thing as being artists, the destination, family is
Speaker 1: the destination. So until I can provide that and give
Speaker 1: you that, I can't give you that. I finally happy.
Speaker 1: He's strapping up straight, Strap it up, strap it up.
Speaker 1: You know nigga's out here going wrong. Corona virus without
Speaker 1: the coronavirus. I think it's going niggas going wrong without
Speaker 1: the coronas growing them. Are you know what? It's that
Speaker 1: That's another reason why I'm faithful, man like I wish
Speaker 1: I would be caught dead using a goddamn kind brown
Speaker 1: ass man, Doug, I ain't gonna like your colors. Just think,
Speaker 1: just think. Coming since last you, I was like, where
Speaker 1: did this come? And you don't want to go to
Speaker 1: your calls and you with Charlie. Okay, tell the story.
Speaker 1: This grand used the corn together. No, that's not true.
Speaker 1: This can't mix up his own stick. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Then he had Charlie in the equation though
Speaker 1: that was some weird all he was there, Charlie char
Speaker 1: we're not gonna go down this path. And when your
Speaker 1: friends both use the same column bottom not no, no, no, Bob, listen,
Speaker 1: you will say it out. You will hain't out that.
Speaker 1: What happened somebody left the room and somebody else picked
Speaker 1: up some joint off the ground. Already you into town.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. I won on Charlie. I want nobody else,
Speaker 1: don't remixing, and we set the remix. You' he fucked
Speaker 1: you wasn't second shure, I'm playing some good And then
Speaker 1: I heard some others hid. We already said you're good
Speaker 1: looking at homie for giving me a huge on that
Speaker 1: he took me shit off hand. Listen, he hid far
Speaker 1: nory like tet and know he's like you. So when
Speaker 1: I found out and said, yo, you know this ship come,
Speaker 1: I'd say, whoa. I wasn't used to my navy ship
Speaker 1: at that time. Things different. No, it was like I
Speaker 1: used to use comsas maybe but hey man, let's make
Speaker 1: some noise for you have been using can no classmate
Speaker 1: here ye here with you know, but but but what
Speaker 1: every year there's a measles just the mom's just all
Speaker 1: this ship and I thought you was naming gangs, the
Speaker 1: mess and the mothers very you know it's something that
Speaker 1: ship that just pop off? Who's the other ship was
Speaker 1: in Chicken? Was the ship in the chicken? The sorry
Speaker 1: no no, no, that's you're talking about all of these
Speaker 1: new viruses and by the US. Yeah, like and right
Speaker 1: now you're going on Amazon. You can't even buy the
Speaker 1: ship out of the face man that they'd be having
Speaker 1: on They can't even buy that joint. So where do
Speaker 1: you get them? Tyrese House? I think Tyres He's the
Speaker 1: only thing guys left. You got the only black nigger one.
Speaker 1: I thinks bing them all um big, But you think
Speaker 1: you think that we are scared and the purpose he
Speaker 1: putting us in scared or this is something that's one
Speaker 1: million percent? Will you're speaking about the coronavirus? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: particular in particular, Yeah, um, I believe it's I believe
Speaker 1: it's something that came from Asia, all right. I believe
Speaker 1: that because they said that somebody bit a bat and
Speaker 1: that's how I came. But I been a bat. Was
Speaker 1: want back? He been a fake he It was always
Speaker 1: fake wants the o G he was that was no
Speaker 1: if you believe that was real, bro, oh, Dominican public
Speaker 1: stopping really getting one of the Yeah, I totally no.
Speaker 1: He did it one time, but not every fucking show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was alive though when he did it. Yet, Oh man,
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe in both. Though. I believe in um.
Speaker 1: I believe that a virus can come here from another country.
Speaker 1: But I also believe in population control too. I believe
Speaker 1: in both. And niggas sucking animals too. You can believe
Speaker 1: in the media sucking it up. I mean, listen, doctors
Speaker 1: sucking it up. We can we can then up. Thing
Speaker 1: is this to me? Every year we had something right.
Speaker 1: Every year was something that new popped up. That's crying wolf.
Speaker 1: When the real ship happened, ain't nobody gonna be ready.
Speaker 1: You know why I think this is the real shift
Speaker 1: happening because Trump is saying this is not the real ship.
Speaker 1: That's just skis. You know, he turned around today here
Speaker 1: yesterday because the first death in America happened, and then
Speaker 1: he said, oh, I'm sorry, it's real. Not the state
Speaker 1: not watching the d c oh Seattle and all that. Whoa,
Speaker 1: they got the best butt out there. Well I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm gonna I'm gonna take it is. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't know if once she wants once people started
Speaker 1: driving the ship like that, I just I'm always I
Speaker 1: really be ready than not. Bernie Satons. If Bernie Santons
Speaker 1: get it, we finished. I don't know what people think that.
Speaker 1: Why do I don't do you? I don't do you
Speaker 1: get a cold right now, Bernie Santons, this is my man.
Speaker 1: Oh you know you're saying if he gets oh you're saying,
Speaker 1: if he get the fun, he get burn food. Bernie,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why I'm Bernie them tell you
Speaker 1: why I'm killing. Mike is a very close friend of mine.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I hang out, will kill the Mike.
Speaker 1: We don't post pictures, we don't, you know, just hang out.
Speaker 1: The other day killing Mike comes to town. He said, Yo,
Speaker 1: I want to get some weed, I want to buy
Speaker 1: some food. I want to want to drink, and we're
Speaker 1: having a best time. I kill the best best time.
Speaker 1: And he knows when I started to drink. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be political at all. And because he's a
Speaker 1: very smart person, so when you drunk, you don't want
Speaker 1: to hear no smart shit. So I you know, I'll
Speaker 1: make it clear. You know, let's dumb it down for me.
Speaker 1: The drunker I get, the less I want to comprehend.
Speaker 1: So and this out is when we're just killing me.
Speaker 1: Just chill me Ian and then in't forget how it happens.
Speaker 1: And he just serious. He was like, yo, Bernie's for us,
Speaker 1: And I was just like he knew my stance, he
Speaker 1: knew everything. But for the way he said it and
Speaker 1: how he said it, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm working with you, and I'm working with him for that.
Speaker 1: But I do look like I think Aunt could beat
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders in the fight who stand up and think
Speaker 1: I think I think it might funk up Bernie sadus
Speaker 1: man because the camera's focus like that don't matter. That
Speaker 1: don't matter, man, the resident to be able to fight. Yeah, Obama,
Speaker 1: let let me tell you something. The way Obama shot
Speaker 1: to jump shot, you could tell you know what to
Speaker 1: do up throw all right hand for real, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like he's saying, Bernie a little old.
Speaker 1: I think Bernie. I think Bernie, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure Bernie can stick with us. I'm I'm damn you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna with Bernie, I'm sticking with burn What is
Speaker 1: it the burns? I'm burned? YEA got something to say
Speaker 1: on that? Who you working with? You don't like it?
Speaker 1: I really feel like to me, I always feel like
Speaker 1: it's like the one thing that we're doing wrong and
Speaker 1: it's just you know, for me watching that the one
Speaker 1: thing you know that you notice about Republicans they don't
Speaker 1: give a person is a murderer. Yeah, ain't going as
Speaker 1: long as they're going for they Yeah, they stick with
Speaker 1: their party next sell. What we do is no man.
Speaker 1: Wenna tore down everybody first. What's called it was winning
Speaker 1: then Bernie was winning. Bible was. What we gotta do
Speaker 1: is figure out with everything anything you want to work.
Speaker 1: It is some kind of unity you gotta happen, right,
Speaker 1: And everybody keep on talking about how the black vote
Speaker 1: is more more popular. To me, it is letting me
Speaker 1: know that how powerful we are. And Mike Bloomberg is
Speaker 1: trying to buy our community Like this nigger, let me
Speaker 1: just tell you something. I can't go nowhere in the hood.
Speaker 1: Bloomberg guy, like that isn't the hut. He's just blowing
Speaker 1: money because ain't nobody. Yeah, yeah, you think it's gonna work. No,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie something. He's gonna take some money though,
Speaker 1: like something. I mean you said you can't do that
Speaker 1: though you can't pay Yeah, you know not the vote
Speaker 1: for them, and you know what, that's the people that
Speaker 1: Turner was. I think he's the Democratic ship. But what
Speaker 1: I will tell you about Bloomberg is he funked up
Speaker 1: stopping first all that ship it's foul ship. But the
Speaker 1: ship for that ship did mad foul ship. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this. The way you correct foul ship is
Speaker 1: to do something correct about it. You can't do something correct.
Speaker 1: He has your time to try to get voted, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he has a black agenda makes that
Speaker 1: ship kind of like, well, you can't believe it. We
Speaker 1: get to the office, you can't. You know, somebody people
Speaker 1: can start doing this. You got another RoCE prior to
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting high off contact. Okay, good, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I'm sinking down more into my stoically. This
Speaker 1: is my first like really really And you watched Bill
Speaker 1: Moore who I watched Bill absolutely not well he talked
Speaker 1: about him on the time. Oh I watched Bill Mark.
Speaker 1: But what he said gave him because because of the
Speaker 1: Nigger Ship. Yeah, oh, but he just watched the actually show.
Speaker 1: When he did, okay, I didn't feel I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like he meant it. And you know what, it was
Speaker 1: Iceque checking him. I watched that too. I love that good.
Speaker 1: When ice c checked up and how he checked him,
Speaker 1: I immediately forgave. I'm not boycott. You can't forgive him
Speaker 1: for it. I mean I did I forget. I don't
Speaker 1: think you just forgive me. Forgive him. You know what
Speaker 1: it is? He used a joke how I would use
Speaker 1: the joke. And that's what it thinks being around brother sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you're listen, it's a habit. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: to take out for him, but if you hang around
Speaker 1: your crip homie, trust me your cause your cause, no
Speaker 1: cu us, it's just inevitable. You hanging around your blood holie.
Speaker 1: After while, you're like blood, Like damn what you catch yourself.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a black pool so much. I
Speaker 1: feel like Bill is a brilliant man. Brilliant. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: a brilliant man, and I feel like he knows better.
Speaker 1: You know that, That's what I think. I feel like.
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm not like boycotting him or anything.
Speaker 1: I just I just have n't. I take more Gucci
Speaker 1: a desire to get back into the show after I've
Speaker 1: seen him. I take more fistic Gucci Gucci, and I
Speaker 1: did with Bill More because I kind of don't know
Speaker 1: him as a person. I don't know him as a person,
Speaker 1: but I followed, you know, his other shows, and I
Speaker 1: lead him to him. He's definitely not racist, He's definitely
Speaker 1: not that guy. He used it in the wrong way
Speaker 1: and using the wrong content, you know, and he shouldn't
Speaker 1: have used it at all. I never I never took
Speaker 1: to use it Allucci is a big corporation. I never
Speaker 1: took it as him being racist. And remember Bill Moore
Speaker 1: was live, especially irresponsible. He was live. Bill Moore was live.
Speaker 1: Is not live. Gucci has to go through a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of processes. It was playing out that that kind
Speaker 1: of scene playing out to me, Gucci, you know, Bill
Speaker 1: More again, it was and I'm not defending them because
Speaker 1: he doesn't need me defend on them, but it was live.
Speaker 1: It was something He's like, Hey, I'm not I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a house nigger. That's what he said, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was definitely shouldn't have been said. Definitely was wrong,
Speaker 1: Definitely was out of content. But I feel like that
Speaker 1: was live. It was it was. It was a mistake, Gucci.
Speaker 1: There's no way you couldn't have known him that, you know,
Speaker 1: having that And it wasn't Burberry, I think too. It
Speaker 1: was it was like somebody like it was like Claire.
Speaker 1: It was like back to back in a week, and
Speaker 1: um uh it was Burbery, right, it was Burber. And
Speaker 1: this is what this is what, this is what I feel.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm off off subject. So we all
Speaker 1: did this boycott BOYCOTTI Gucci, right, not all of us,
Speaker 1: we most of us did right. Then Gucci comes to
Speaker 1: the hood because two million dollars to uh well representative
Speaker 1: Gucci gives two million dollars to I believe a black community.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was. And Dapper Dan is there
Speaker 1: and then not everyone's back wick Gucci, what is your stand?
Speaker 1: So Dapper Dan is a legend, but no, no, not
Speaker 1: that dad. We know japer Dan, we know that one,
Speaker 1: like that's the legend with Guccio, with Algen for sure,
Speaker 1: but the actual situation because he didn't have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with that. Yeah, I mean I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know um enough about that part of the situation
Speaker 1: per se to be able to speak about it intelligently.
Speaker 1: I will say this, Um, I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't think there's some like that
Speaker 1: a trigger like a trigger like that can be pulled
Speaker 1: without it being well thought out and it's going through
Speaker 1: proper channels. And I just feel like somebody should have
Speaker 1: seen it before it came out. And when things like
Speaker 1: that happened, people need to be held accountable, you know.
Speaker 1: And and and it's okay to accept the apology. It's
Speaker 1: okay to accept the apology and move forward. As long
Speaker 1: as we can move forward in a way it's helpful
Speaker 1: to everybody. And these things don't just keep repeating ourselves.
Speaker 1: What would happen if we really controlled them dollar, Like
Speaker 1: if we really said, yo, you know what, for the
Speaker 1: whole month of March, we're only gonna wear makes it
Speaker 1: mong yellow. We're only gonna wear this, this, this, and that.
Speaker 1: We're only gonna buy this type of groceries. We're only
Speaker 1: gonna buy what it happens to we really controlled our dollars,
Speaker 1: and I'm not let me let me make it bigger
Speaker 1: than just black people. Let me let me clude hip hop.
Speaker 1: I think I think it would be that moment that
Speaker 1: we realize the value that we bring to this country.
Speaker 1: We're real, lot, We're real. That's how powerful we are.
Speaker 1: That's what the introtion from a com um. But we
Speaker 1: will we will also too. To me, always feel like
Speaker 1: the Boogeyman on short space at that point. Remember tos Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Remember that's why that happened, because of that, because of
Speaker 1: that unification. Because they unified and they did that. I
Speaker 1: heard why a fuck up um say the other day
Speaker 1: he said a Puffy jay Z, Birdman and Dr Dre
Speaker 1: always to get a label. There was no one would
Speaker 1: be signed there would it would be no more labels.
Speaker 1: It would be no more labels. Like that's they forget everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were all signed to them. We will
Speaker 1: all be like, give me an independent deal, give me
Speaker 1: a major deal, whatever, and that this would be us
Speaker 1: control of us. Like why the funk that doesn't really
Speaker 1: happen like it might. Nobody really say it. It goes
Speaker 1: into what I've been what I've been kind of saying
Speaker 1: throughout my whole pressure run is um. We just need
Speaker 1: to start thinking more as a collective than as individuals
Speaker 1: you know, Um jay Z Puff Dre. They don't have
Speaker 1: to be their own entities, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like they can also think it's collective, just like us
Speaker 1: as artists need to think more collect ship the same
Speaker 1: way that they Walker is saying that they conform something
Speaker 1: Ship me you Walker and killing Mike can form a label,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like we just need to
Speaker 1: start thinking about how much more pertinent our movements would
Speaker 1: be if we started to think about the possibility of
Speaker 1: us coming together as opposed of us looking at it
Speaker 1: like we're in competition with each other. I think what
Speaker 1: Waca was saying is like the tops and then all
Speaker 1: of us will right now, right now, you one pick
Speaker 1: up the all. Like I said, I love what Alan
Speaker 1: is doing with you, and he's a good guys you
Speaker 1: know the other day, but no one would really sign
Speaker 1: with that, Like if they had a division, if they
Speaker 1: had an E one division with Dre, that people will
Speaker 1: go over there, you know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 1: under staying, Like I imagine one day with hip hop
Speaker 1: controlling the hip hop. This is the reason why even
Speaker 1: drink chapter is this is because we want to be
Speaker 1: the people that you know interview to ours, people have
Speaker 1: been in the locker room with you, like you know
Speaker 1: I got I don't have one album, like I don't
Speaker 1: have one hit. I haven't tremendously have a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: I have real stories playing catalog what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: not only that, I still go to other people's shows,
Speaker 1: like Freddie Gibbs the other day was out here. I
Speaker 1: went to his show and he trying to give me
Speaker 1: the co on stage. I was like, that's not why
Speaker 1: I'm here, Like I'm here to support you and watch
Speaker 1: and I need to understand why you're the next guy
Speaker 1: for the next generation. That's I'm really a fan. I
Speaker 1: just feel like when we do can really really control.
Speaker 1: Like that's why I love, uh what everyone else is
Speaker 1: doing with me, not just us. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I salute you don't get me to be from with nobody.
Speaker 1: You don't get hit me because I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Like we're not in the competition. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why we did the deal what we did,
Speaker 1: Like we could have went other places and really really
Speaker 1: went outside the culture and really secured futures for us,
Speaker 1: but we said we were to stick with the culture,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because it's things that you know,
Speaker 1: certain companies probably won't let us say. Properties probably tell
Speaker 1: us its dumb the weed. Now certain companies and party
Speaker 1: you know, tell us, you know what I'm saying, don't
Speaker 1: interview this this guy, interview these types of people, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And we wanted to stick with
Speaker 1: the culture. But I wonder when when is the culture
Speaker 1: gonna want to stick with the coach? Like when are
Speaker 1: we gonna like you know what I'm saying somebody when
Speaker 1: it's always got to be an example, man, you know,
Speaker 1: like we trend. It's a trendy. We follow the trend,
Speaker 1: like we wanted to where to go change it? Like
Speaker 1: don't it don't have to be the top tire of
Speaker 1: money to do it, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I think it's gotta it's gotta start with that because
Speaker 1: jay Z could do it, Drake could do it, they
Speaker 1: all could do it. But so for week, Wow, I
Speaker 1: love the fact that you keep saying that we gotta
Speaker 1: take those steps. So at one point Dr Dre gave
Speaker 1: you advice because he was going to you and your wife.
Speaker 1: It's like twenty years or something like twenty when he
Speaker 1: was thinking about getting his wife. Didn't girlfriend an abortion?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah he um. He
Speaker 1: just told me not to do it. He said he
Speaker 1: didn't believe in it or an abortion. Yeah, oh no,
Speaker 1: me neither. Yeah, I mean shop, I'm either thinking now, man,
Speaker 1: I have as many as possible. You know, I got
Speaker 1: plenty of babies I got, I got, I got five
Speaker 1: kids total and ship. If my wife was witted, I
Speaker 1: have five more, ten more. I'll keep having them much
Speaker 1: that they should have worsted the five nines out there? God,
Speaker 1: damn it, nins of them. How about you? You drawn
Speaker 1: playing something out there? I'm trying to My daughter was
Speaker 1: just my god, what my god? Though? But that's my daughter, okay,
Speaker 1: so what I mean like and she got three little ones,
Speaker 1: so they like, that's my whole little team. God. So
Speaker 1: what's next for you? Man? Album? Okay, you can produce
Speaker 1: your own ship too, Yeah, don't okay, now some of
Speaker 1: that heavy listle okay, okay, now, but this one's the
Speaker 1: first one. Ye'all did everything, Okay, y'all both always produced
Speaker 1: or this was something that you just learned in the
Speaker 1: last year that's it's a year, that's it. Maybe six months.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You like Kobe with the Beetobin ship. You know,
Speaker 1: Kobe learning Beethobin in two weeks? Did yeah? Yeah, no
Speaker 1: one else two weeks huh yeah, listening to it. He
Speaker 1: told himself, Kobe Bryant told me, Brian told himself Beetobin.
Speaker 1: He probably just he probably see he's one of those people.
Speaker 1: He has the propensity to be able to practice around
Speaker 1: the clock. I love the practice. Yeah, didn't see Kobe strue. No,
Speaker 1: come on, man, y'are like the only two niggers in
Speaker 1: the world. Michael join him another try man, man, Man,
Speaker 1: my heart, I don't cry like that. I never cried
Speaker 1: like that, but I don't want my line like I
Speaker 1: don't want to cry. Yeah, I never cried like that,
Speaker 1: but you know what it was. It was just something
Speaker 1: I just couldn't turn away because I actually this is
Speaker 1: my ghost right in thing. I actually did a record
Speaker 1: with Kobe, and I wanted to write his rhymes so bad,
Speaker 1: Like if you actually put up that record that he
Speaker 1: got that he's biting my side, Bro, he's trying to
Speaker 1: sound like me. Bro. Listen, I'm just telling you this
Speaker 1: is real. Ship. It's real ship that's white like he
Speaker 1: went to track Masters. I'm saying like he like bite
Speaker 1: me nas and like hold I forget to drink where
Speaker 1: he's he's um with a suit on. He's like he's
Speaker 1: biting my like the Iraq. But you know how I
Speaker 1: usually that you know, you know, back whatever. But so
Speaker 1: I was so, you know, wanting to write his rhyme,
Speaker 1: and Kobe looked at me like Kobe Bryant, I got
Speaker 1: my own ship, was like, oh ship, So I went
Speaker 1: I watched this ship and then Michael Jordan comes up.
Speaker 1: And Michael Jordan comes up, he goes, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: another criming mean for the next two years because he's
Speaker 1: the ugliest cry ever you ever seen. Oh Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: cries hugly bro Like that's an ugly crying. My dude,
Speaker 1: like he cries like he just like he like pieces
Speaker 1: of ship. But yeah, but the Kobe um and it
Speaker 1: was it was also another thing that that struck me
Speaker 1: is um. He said that Mike went to see Phil
Speaker 1: Jackson one day. And when we went to see Phil Jackson,
Speaker 1: the first thing Kobe said is, you know you bring
Speaker 1: your shoes, Like he constantly like competitive, like competitive. Did
Speaker 1: you feel like that with Renegade, with with eminem because
Speaker 1: everyone really says that this is the one time that
Speaker 1: Jay took up took a loss with with people? Did
Speaker 1: did you know I feel like that about our version
Speaker 1: or their version, which whatever version you want. Oh, well,
Speaker 1: when we yeah, when we did our version, Um, we
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it had the potential to be that special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of songs already and I think
Speaker 1: it's me and Marshall, so that was one of the
Speaker 1: same verse. Yeah that was on with you okay, but
Speaker 1: see me and him, we approached the beat similar, very similar,
Speaker 1: So we attacked it the same. So take me off
Speaker 1: and then have Ja come in and put his verses
Speaker 1: on there, and he attacks the beat totally different. He
Speaker 1: b yeah, he lays back in the pocket. Did J
Speaker 1: get to hear his verses? First of all, you don't
Speaker 1: know that, okay, okay, okay verses. And then when J
Speaker 1: lay his it became magic. It became it didn't sound
Speaker 1: like that when with me on there like to me,
Speaker 1: to me, that's a great record, I've never kind of
Speaker 1: and I get slacked for saying this on this I
Speaker 1: think Earth came on here. I get slacked for saying this.
Speaker 1: I always look at the record like a great record.
Speaker 1: I've never really looked at like who outshine who? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I get that this is a
Speaker 1: competitive sport. Yeah, that the people. But but to me,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I should get criticism for just
Speaker 1: looking at the record that saying all right, look look
Speaker 1: says painting for right. I just look at that art,
Speaker 1: I said, painting for I love. It's the certain individuals
Speaker 1: that's say that paint is perfect. Yeah, and it's certainly
Speaker 1: gonna say the fall is perfect. It's all perspective. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to me, per I just I just
Speaker 1: love the art. I think the way that they had,
Speaker 1: the way that they attacked it, they attacked it too
Speaker 1: totally separate different ways, so it's hard to compare to
Speaker 1: two it. All of it almost just boils down the preference.
Speaker 1: It's what you prefer, what style you prefer, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? J did it his way. It's not
Speaker 1: the illest J versus you're gonna hear M did it
Speaker 1: his way. It's not the illest in versions you're gonna hear.
Speaker 1: But them together as a marriage and it being on
Speaker 1: a blueprint to Special Man's Special. It didn't sound like
Speaker 1: that when it was me and Marska. You did you
Speaker 1: think it's because Nas put it out there with Nas
Speaker 1: by eating He said, Immine invited you on your own hip,
Speaker 1: you know that something? Yeah, feeling that put people in
Speaker 1: because that was a classic moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So of course that's gone. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I love hip hop man, and I'm just thinking about
Speaker 1: I said you was staying, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and and coined that phrase you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Scam alright, bick up SCA's I love hip hop man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what what what makes you? What makes you keep
Speaker 1: going though? Like I mean, listen, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: I got tired of this game at one point. At
Speaker 1: one point I didn't want to look at the mic,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to look at the stage. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to get so far. I really had lost it,
Speaker 1: Like it took a lot for me to come back
Speaker 1: and get And I remember Ferrell Imember with me calling
Speaker 1: Farrell and Frells like I don't do hip hop no
Speaker 1: more and me being like, what the are you talking?
Speaker 1: About motherfucker, are you gonna give me a beat? And
Speaker 1: I like I had didn't. I didn't know that sometimes
Speaker 1: you get out of the zone like I didn't know,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you just need to going to your own world.
Speaker 1: Have you ever felt like that? Um Nah? I think
Speaker 1: with me when I was a little bit of love
Speaker 1: for it, I never lost any love for it when
Speaker 1: I when I got sober, it just was a reset.
Speaker 1: But like you had a girl cheat on you before?
Speaker 1: Have I had a girl cheating before? Like you know, like,
Speaker 1: let me what's growing up? Yep in high school? But
Speaker 1: come on hip hop and cheating on you? You never
Speaker 1: felt bad? You don't remember how the hip hop cheat
Speaker 1: on me? What do you mean? We gave six nine respect.
Speaker 1: He's an affraternity regardless if you like it or not. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what, bro that got even the same thing though,
Speaker 1: Yeah he's infraternity. He is a rapper. Like I always
Speaker 1: felt like whenever I did something, I figured out to
Speaker 1: make it just my place in hip hop. I carved
Speaker 1: out my own place, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: I never felt I never felt like, um, I was
Speaker 1: on the outside of something that was happening. I just
Speaker 1: somehow I figured out the way to just survive all
Speaker 1: the different all the different like ways the hip hop
Speaker 1: evolved in all the different spaces that it was in.
Speaker 1: Whenever I needed to release some music, I found a
Speaker 1: way to just make it exists with whatever was happening
Speaker 1: at the time, and that that kind of chases a
Speaker 1: little bit fun to me, you know. But when I
Speaker 1: got sober, it was like I was starting all over
Speaker 1: because everything that I did drunk, it was like a
Speaker 1: thing of the past to me, because my approach to
Speaker 1: the music was totally different, because it was like, now
Speaker 1: I'm clicking on our cylinders. So it just gave me
Speaker 1: a whole new reason to just kind of start over
Speaker 1: and build my brand from a different Plus I had
Speaker 1: a better understanding of how to build a brand at
Speaker 1: that point too. So first it felt like this would
Speaker 1: never happen. But I feel like, oh, slaughter House, it
Speaker 1: might be happening. Another slaughter House happen. Why do you
Speaker 1: feel like that, that's not that's not the card. That
Speaker 1: no way, that's never what happened, That had never happened.
Speaker 1: That's not possible. Nobody, nobody in Slaughterhouse could be replaced. Bro.
Speaker 1: You know, like if you if you replace like why
Speaker 1: being Cordor, I mean Corday. It look if you if
Speaker 1: you put Corday in there instead of somebody else, then
Speaker 1: it's a whole different group. Florida huh house a little okay,
Speaker 1: different about I'm walking around I'm talking about But man, listen,
Speaker 1: man man man hip hop is so beautiful. Man. So
Speaker 1: so what's what's the what's the next transition? Like after this?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? Is it? Getting the movies? Is it?
Speaker 1: What is it? I never had a desire to do
Speaker 1: movies ever. I never had a desire to act for
Speaker 1: some reason. I don't know why, because that seems like
Speaker 1: the obvious next step for most raptors to me. I'm
Speaker 1: having fun in the production round. Um, that's what Chuck
Speaker 1: D said. I think Chuck D say, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have no desire to But but I'm you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't close the door on the because I never know.
Speaker 1: I never know what I'm gonna wake up and want
Speaker 1: to do. But whatever that is, you know, if I
Speaker 1: decided to take it on, man, I just put my
Speaker 1: best foot forward and put into work and then just
Speaker 1: try to get good at it. But right now I
Speaker 1: know that I'm not much of a multitasker, so um,
Speaker 1: once I'm done making albums, my passion is to put
Speaker 1: it into the next generation, the next group of artists
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be working with under heaven. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's that's that's my company, Heaving Studios.
Speaker 1: I'll see that. Ashley Surrell. Ashley Surrell, she's on my album.
Speaker 1: I'll heard her on my album. She's like nine songs
Speaker 1: in man, phenomenal. Bro It's phenomenal, And I'm excited for her.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to the possibilities of what the ship is
Speaker 1: gonna say, Like when it's finished, I'm producing on it
Speaker 1: as well. I'm excited about that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's producing on it. The course, my man b Jones
Speaker 1: is producing on it. Who's another young producer coming up
Speaker 1: phenomenon And you know, like, I want to be able
Speaker 1: to give her all of my attention that she needs
Speaker 1: without you know, making making my own albums and trying
Speaker 1: to focus on her at the same time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. I can't do that. How about you?
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about acting on anything else? I
Speaker 1: think the only right now for me is like doing.
Speaker 1: I never really put my fund into the solo realm,
Speaker 1: so that's what my mother does. But I'm gonna change
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I want people to look at I
Speaker 1: feel like what I'm about to do with this record
Speaker 1: is like make people change their whole perspective on restarting
Speaker 1: and age all of that. I'm taking all of that
Speaker 1: out the way. So you've got the spikes on two
Speaker 1: taking it. I'm literally like you, like you tell them
Speaker 1: the warriors to come out, come out, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't want it to be looked at.
Speaker 1: Is one thing like that since people mixing up, I
Speaker 1: feel like Drake sing and wrapping all that ship, like,
Speaker 1: but you don't do it. You're gonna do it right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are legendary, man. Um. I want
Speaker 1: to thank both of your brothers man for coming out
Speaker 1: here man just kicking hip hop man, because I still
Speaker 1: see it, Like I said always, I really looked at
Speaker 1: all your interviews and I really and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this is a great run man, And I really want
Speaker 1: to say you deserve it. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You deserve it because um, you're doing it the right way.
Speaker 1: You being the purist and you're making grown up fucking
Speaker 1: raps like you know what I'm saying, you're making age
Speaker 1: appropriate music, like you ain't sitting there talking about you
Speaker 1: know what, like you know what I'm saying, Like that's
Speaker 1: when he's eighteen. Goddamn it. Like we can't keep doing that. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to thank you, man, I want
Speaker 1: to appreciate. But we got a couple more minutes, right,
Speaker 1: we got a good woman. So anything else you we
Speaker 1: want to say, you know what, a man to add
Speaker 1: on what we were saying about. Um about helping the
Speaker 1: young is developed. That's another thing, like our studio, like
Speaker 1: having studios, the studio, we want to turn that ship
Speaker 1: into like a hub, you know, like if you just
Speaker 1: think of let's use Deaf Jam for an example. Right,
Speaker 1: Paul is over there, like all of the left right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just left, but all of the artists on that
Speaker 1: roster that is just kind of sitting. Imagine if it
Speaker 1: was just like something we could do where we cut
Speaker 1: some type of deal with the label, they could just
Speaker 1: send him because I know Proof's son to sign. Phenomenal
Speaker 1: phenomenal young artists people like that come through young rock
Speaker 1: we helped develop them, make sure that they get the
Speaker 1: records that they need, and by the time we've done
Speaker 1: with them, you know, they're totally efficient out here to
Speaker 1: be able to grow, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's exactly what you said you want to do. We
Speaker 1: want to do the same thing. That's why I was
Speaker 1: saying we should work together. Yeah, yeah, well I was
Speaker 1: saying anything else you want to do. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: pretty That's that's where we are. I think that's our narrative.
Speaker 1: That's what you trying to like as a team. That's
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. It's like when you think
Speaker 1: of Jimmy jam and Terry looks to me that it's
Speaker 1: that new version of that I need to beat, nigga.
Speaker 1: Look at the look at the eyes I need to beat.
Speaker 1: They could bring me out of the driver, I know,
Speaker 1: if y'all know, man, our show was about celebrating the
Speaker 1: people's lives and their careers while they are alive. The
Speaker 1: fact that so many people would say, you know, this
Speaker 1: is great, these guys are great. When we passed away, man,
Speaker 1: we want to do that now. Like I just seemed
Speaker 1: the image of pop smoke and it's great. You know,
Speaker 1: big up to the people in Paris who participated in
Speaker 1: making a hologram image of pop smoke. But I tell
Speaker 1: you what would be ill, like, you know, start doing
Speaker 1: hologram images of people who are alive. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like a ship Nica feel good
Speaker 1: while he here? You know what I'm saying, Like ship
Speaker 1: Nigga Drake deserve a holograms sucking put your teeth, fucking
Speaker 1: voice sucking, Rick Ross fucking you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Boston rhymes, fat your You know what I'm saying. Everyone
Speaker 1: like making a thing, don't make it a thing for
Speaker 1: people that's dead. Making for a thing for people that's alive.
Speaker 1: And that's no. This to the people who actually did that,
Speaker 1: because I thought that was couraging. I thought it was dope,
Speaker 1: But I also think it's backwards because I want to
Speaker 1: show people love where they're alive. This way, it's a
Speaker 1: celebration when they're gone, because we was already it's a
Speaker 1: continued celebration. Guess what, we was already celebrating. Your monkey
Speaker 1: asks when you was here, you understand said just do
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