Speaker 1: Yeah, but just like just like I seen coming to
Speaker 1: America or whatever, I never saw et do you get
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And I feel like if I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes I say stuff just to you know, just
Speaker 1: to make white people feels, you know, like I love
Speaker 1: saying who when they'd be like, you know, merrily streak.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who never heard of racist stuff? I can't
Speaker 1: tell me. Yep, yep, yep, there it is. There it is.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, a podcast where we died deep, deep
Speaker 1: into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally
Speaker 1: work to prove that Miss Cita from Ceda's World can
Speaker 1: still get it. It don't matter that that booty is
Speaker 1: in sixteen bit, it's still a booty worth celebrating Square
Speaker 1: Mario Kart. Booties need love too, and I'm just the
Speaker 1: man to give it to them. That is something that
Speaker 1: I believe, ladies and gentlemen at home, and it's a
Speaker 1: it's a fact that I'm spreading out in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Legs than Kerman as always, What a
Speaker 1: pleasure to be back with you. We've taken quite a
Speaker 1: fucking hiatus. You know, I don't usually leave y'all for
Speaker 1: very long, but I left you, and I apologize. But
Speaker 1: I'm back, baby, and I'm I'm as fucked up as ever.
Speaker 1: I'm as sick and twisted as you. You remember and
Speaker 1: listen my guest today, she is not fucked up. She
Speaker 1: she is I'd say she's a good person and and
Speaker 1: more importantly, a very funny person, an exceptionally funny individual,
Speaker 1: so so talented that you know hers from from a
Speaker 1: amazing ship. She's been on all death comedy. She's she's hilarious.
Speaker 1: She oh oh, she has a show. It's in its
Speaker 1: second season on Amazon. It's called up Low. Y'all need
Speaker 1: to be watching that ship. Please give it up. From
Speaker 1: my guests, miss snap Sho, I'm saying, hey, was I
Speaker 1: supposed to wait? I don't know what you know. They're
Speaker 1: not real people. I'm just pressing up button. But you
Speaker 1: know how some people are so like O C D.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's run that back, let me let me
Speaker 1: do that again. Oh No, I don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: I I just fumble fumble through this every time we
Speaker 1: do it. So you know, I'm happy. I'm just happy.
Speaker 1: You're here. I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you came with a conspiracy theory that I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: it's it's a challenging one. I'd say. It's it's one
Speaker 1: that that will challenge all of us, both both listeners
Speaker 1: and podcasters alike. We're we are all going to be
Speaker 1: challenged by your conspiracy theory. And I won't waste any
Speaker 1: more time. You said, my mama told me be careful,
Speaker 1: you can lose your black car. Tell me more since
Speaker 1: the dawn of time, I mean, yeah, we've all heard it.
Speaker 1: We've all made that classic mistake where you didn't say
Speaker 1: something right. You aren't familiar with whatever is in black culture,
Speaker 1: something that is cemented, something that they feel like black
Speaker 1: people feel like whoever the black people you know how
Speaker 1: we say like black Twitter. It's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: who specifically black Twitter is. But when they decide something,
Speaker 1: it has been decided. And if you and if for
Speaker 1: some reason you dropped the ball, you lose your black heart,
Speaker 1: which essentially means you lose credit. It no longer are
Speaker 1: credited with being a black person, which is crazy, but
Speaker 1: it happens, and we care about it. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, and you're already diving in.
Speaker 1: And I love this. Your your energy, I feel fucking
Speaker 1: you're your your intensity is it's it's emanating through the screen.
Speaker 1: But you said that it's it's crazy, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: to know more. Do you, in fact think it's like
Speaker 1: crazy in a wrong way or just crazy and are like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: that's wild kind of way. I think it depends on
Speaker 1: the day, because I've been on both sides. I've I've
Speaker 1: lost the black card a few times. I imagine there
Speaker 1: may come a time in this episode where you decide
Speaker 1: to revoke it for your listeners, I'm sure, But I've
Speaker 1: also been on the other side where I'm like, you
Speaker 1: really don't no, no, no, no, rum me that rum
Speaker 1: me that you know, run me that black card. Very
Speaker 1: rarely though, I'm never on this because because I'm so
Speaker 1: often on the side that loses it. But I think
Speaker 1: that it's wild because where did it come from? You know?
Speaker 1: And this I think like in black culture, there's always
Speaker 1: been this thing about like you ain't black enough, or
Speaker 1: you ain't being black, or you ain't being the right
Speaker 1: type of black. You know, It's like there's there's always
Speaker 1: been that thing, and I wonder, like did we do
Speaker 1: that to ourselves? And the black card is just like
Speaker 1: one part of that? Sure? You know, Well, let me
Speaker 1: address a few things. First of all, you you should
Speaker 1: in no way fear the possibility that you will lose
Speaker 1: your black card because of me. Who am I as
Speaker 1: as light as I am to be taking the black
Speaker 1: card away from a lady named zay Nab Johnson. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I ain't got no business
Speaker 1: doing nothing, but you know what, the black card ain't
Speaker 1: even got the with what you look like or what's
Speaker 1: your name? You know, they might take a black card
Speaker 1: away from you. Book, I've lost a black card because
Speaker 1: my name is Zane after so soundingly like sounding so
Speaker 1: ethnic for me to not that's all the more right
Speaker 1: that like, and that's what makes it so complicated, right,
Speaker 1: is that it does become if if I can, I
Speaker 1: hate even making this like a more like intellectual conversation,
Speaker 1: but it it is sort of like we standardize these
Speaker 1: small pockets of community and we say this is a
Speaker 1: representation of all blackness, right, but then that community is
Speaker 1: not community communicating with another black community that set itself
Speaker 1: up and so those black communities start to jet against
Speaker 1: each other where it's like, nah, the black people of
Speaker 1: this section of the country don't believe this is what
Speaker 1: black people do. And then you move to Ohio or
Speaker 1: New York or whatever the funk it is, and suddenly
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we do that. In They're like, nigga,
Speaker 1: you ain't real, you ain't black. You I'm taking your
Speaker 1: black car. And it often is with things that really
Speaker 1: don't matter, like I'll reveal to something that in the
Speaker 1: past couple of years oufter, you know, like my black boyfriend,
Speaker 1: like I think he reevaluated the relationship with me when
Speaker 1: it was revealed. I can't tell I can't tell you.
Speaker 1: In Anita Baker song, oh Man, all right, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: know it was Anita Baker standing next to me and
Speaker 1: Trader Joe's I wouldn't even know if people was like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's if she came up to me it
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I'm Anita. I would not be like,
Speaker 1: oh Baker, no lovely, and I wouldn't be like, I
Speaker 1: met this lovely woman named Anita who told me, who
Speaker 1: told me She's doing a show tonight some sort of
Speaker 1: lounge singer but yeah, I mean I would be like,
Speaker 1: maybe she saw my comedy. I met this lady named Anita.
Speaker 1: She's a big fan of man. But that's to your point.
Speaker 1: That is a crazy thing, right that, Like you have
Speaker 1: spent your entire life as a black woman, living around
Speaker 1: black people, experiencing black things, and then suddenly you expressed
Speaker 1: to a person who you are intimate with, who you
Speaker 1: you share everything with, this vulnerability in some sense, and
Speaker 1: then they go everything you've stood for up to this
Speaker 1: point has lost a level of value. That's crazy. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: see lengthening. Even if you see how five minutes ago
Speaker 1: you was like, there's no way I could. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then your reaction, the way it's like you had. Your
Speaker 1: reaction wasn't listen. I again, I'm not taking it away,
Speaker 1: but I did WinCE. There was a There was just
Speaker 1: like a slight twin you know what I mean, just
Speaker 1: a little tink at the sound of not knowing any
Speaker 1: Anita Baker. I can't tell you one apologize, that's come on,
Speaker 1: don't if you sing it, maybe I like, but you're
Speaker 1: saying that I have like you like it, Like you
Speaker 1: know if you said to me right now. Beyonce single ladies.
Speaker 1: I would be able to say, oh, my single ladies, right,
Speaker 1: or if you said, I don't know, Michael Jackson, remember
Speaker 1: the time, I would be able to be like you,
Speaker 1: what was the title you? I can't even remember the title.
Speaker 1: You just said it and listen. I'm not gonna force
Speaker 1: it down your throat. I understand. I am saying, maybe
Speaker 1: you know when you get on you cause right just
Speaker 1: that I apologize. It's a great song by Anita Baker,
Speaker 1: and she likes us streaming her music. Now again she
Speaker 1: was That's what I was gonna say. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: but I know at one point she didn't want a
Speaker 1: body stream of music. But that's because I listened to
Speaker 1: the news and I listened to like things that I
Speaker 1: want to know, like I listened to like lawyers a lot,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you know, you know, like oh here if
Speaker 1: this Anita woman again, I will say, if you're aware
Speaker 1: of the fact that you're not supposed to be streaming
Speaker 1: Anita Baker's music, or you weren't supposed to be, then
Speaker 1: you're still supporting black women and that's nice. You're still
Speaker 1: doing the right business, even if your boyfriend is taking
Speaker 1: the card away for ex boyfriend. All right, well does
Speaker 1: here at the podcast? Okay, so you you do see
Speaker 1: a level of craziness in the way that we sort
Speaker 1: of like handle these things. Let me ask this, Have
Speaker 1: you ever been on the side of taking or at
Speaker 1: least uh wanting to take someone's black card away from them,
Speaker 1: or or or demanding that someone should lose their back
Speaker 1: black card because of their behavior. Yes, but only in jest.
Speaker 1: I think that it's actually crazy, like in the ludicrous way,
Speaker 1: like what's happening when someone is really adamant, like when
Speaker 1: they're really sire, you know, like when it almost when
Speaker 1: it almost becomes like bullying up, you know, when it's
Speaker 1: like that, then I'm like, well, why don't you do
Speaker 1: like like the reaction you had to me about Anita Baker.
Speaker 1: If if anybody was born in like the mid to
Speaker 1: late eight the eighties, nineties, it's like it maybe like
Speaker 1: early two thousands, if you have before the new Coming
Speaker 1: to America came out, if you hadn't seen coming to America,
Speaker 1: because that is such a staple in my my upbringing,
Speaker 1: I might be like, you ain't seen coming to America.
Speaker 1: Five heart beats. But you know, like all of these
Speaker 1: things that were like, this is the reason why we
Speaker 1: went to the movies when I was younger. You know,
Speaker 1: if you haven't experienced that, then I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh girl, we might need to take your black card. Right.
Speaker 1: I was like this five art Beats, I'll be vulnerable
Speaker 1: with you never seen it, never even never went that
Speaker 1: down that train. So here, So now here's another level
Speaker 1: of a black card. Right. They might not take that.
Speaker 1: They might not take your black card. But then here
Speaker 1: is to follow up question, do you have any desire
Speaker 1: to see it? I'll say this, I have always had
Speaker 1: a desire to see it, but I've also always felt
Speaker 1: a weird then diagram existed between what I knew of
Speaker 1: it and the Temptations movie, just with having Leon and
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, like it, it had
Speaker 1: enough of a vent diagram where it's like, now I
Speaker 1: get it, I know what the funk this is, and
Speaker 1: I never ventured beyond that instinct. Yeah, yeah, Well you
Speaker 1: know why they made the Temptations movie, I don't tell me.
Speaker 1: Because Five Heartbeats was so good. Everybody thought Five Heartbeats
Speaker 1: was a real group. Five five heart Beats was based
Speaker 1: on not one specific specific group, but an amalgamation of
Speaker 1: those types of groups, and Robert Townsend felt like nobody's
Speaker 1: telling the stories of the of these you know, soul
Speaker 1: R and B soul groups, and so he told a
Speaker 1: fictionalized version of of a collection of them and got
Speaker 1: this one group to do like vocals and everything, and
Speaker 1: it became such a hit after the box. So it's
Speaker 1: like a black culture classic. Right, Look how you're doing. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm behavior. I had none of that. You got all
Speaker 1: closer to the microphone black culture classical. Come on, Relax, Relax?
Speaker 1: Is somebody cue? But it was so popular they was
Speaker 1: like v H one was like, well, we should probably
Speaker 1: make a Temptations And I do think you're absolutely right
Speaker 1: with the vin diagram. I do think that there is
Speaker 1: something weird, like if you are a huge fan of
Speaker 1: the of the Five parties, you watch the Temptation movie
Speaker 1: and you and you enjoy it, but you don't love
Speaker 1: it the way you you don't love it, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'll say that in my ignorance, I always presumed that
Speaker 1: the Tempting Asians movie came first, and so for me
Speaker 1: it just looked like Robert town was in like did
Speaker 1: his own Temptations movie and I'm good, like, I'll see
Speaker 1: it if I see it, but I'm never gonna like
Speaker 1: hunt this down. But now that I know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put a little more effort into it, you should go
Speaker 1: see if this is not a podcast about me telling
Speaker 1: you what to see, but because even the making, even
Speaker 1: the making of it, but see this is this. You
Speaker 1: see this intensity that I have, I'm I'm gonna follow
Speaker 1: it up with like, so now you don't have a
Speaker 1: black car, but that's what dropped. That's the passion behind
Speaker 1: why black Why a black person would revoke someone else's
Speaker 1: black car. But it's a genuine passion. It just gets
Speaker 1: a little bit crazy. I agree. I think it's And
Speaker 1: you made a point as you were sort of going
Speaker 1: through a lot of this about the generational quality that
Speaker 1: exists in this right that like coming to America, for example,
Speaker 1: is such a staple in in my black life, your
Speaker 1: black life, a lot of black lives. But if I
Speaker 1: talk to somebody that's younger than us, that that sort
Speaker 1: of is worn in the ax and like very much
Speaker 1: a person of like this new generation, they might not
Speaker 1: value coming to America in the same way. And so
Speaker 1: for us to then go you ain't black, I think
Speaker 1: creates like a weird sort of like you know, bumping
Speaker 1: bumping against each other, because like, how the funk would
Speaker 1: they know? They ain't. They weren't around for Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: when he was really Eddie Murphy. They got Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: when he was putting on like Reykae hats and playing
Speaker 1: guitar m m. And they may have seen coming to
Speaker 1: America too, that might be their first introduction to it.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm gonna I worked with Amazon at
Speaker 1: this point, so I'm going to you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it ain't what you want to start win. No. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: we're all out here doing our best. But but it ain't.
Speaker 1: It ain't the original. And I think yes, but there's
Speaker 1: also like there's this other side of being a black identity, right,
Speaker 1: that is so serious, right, that thing where there's so
Speaker 1: much um is ms attached to being black, and there's
Speaker 1: so much trauma attached to black identity in the appearance
Speaker 1: of blackness, right, And so to then disqualify somebody who
Speaker 1: may be dealing with the real ramifications of being a
Speaker 1: black person in America but also in this world dealing
Speaker 1: with that to then say well, you don't speak a
Speaker 1: certain way or you don't have you haven't had the
Speaker 1: same experiences of me. You're not tapped into the culture
Speaker 1: in the same way that I am. And so therefore, no,
Speaker 1: you're not black. That's a really toxic conversation. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I do think that is where are some of this
Speaker 1: sort of like gets into a very sticky trap, right,
Speaker 1: is is you are isolating people from a community that
Speaker 1: they very much identify with, largely in that they cannot
Speaker 1: unidentify with it, right, Like you can't stop being black
Speaker 1: in America. Even the most like the people who we
Speaker 1: labeled the coneyest combs, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: are still in some ways like they're black. They have
Speaker 1: to be there. It is inescapable for them. And so
Speaker 1: to then be like, yo, you can't kick it with us,
Speaker 1: like they don't stop existing, They're they're just now feeling
Speaker 1: isolated and also you know, dealing with whatever, like you said,
Speaker 1: the ramifications of of trauma and the white man's trickery
Speaker 1: on on the other side of it. Yeah. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this last question before before we go
Speaker 1: to break, because I'm enjoying where this side of the
Speaker 1: train is going. Do you feel like then there are
Speaker 1: people who I guess would celebrate the idea of the
Speaker 1: black card being revoked. Like if you look at a
Speaker 1: Candice Owens, for example, like is she is she cheering
Speaker 1: at the idea of her her you know, black card
Speaker 1: being taken away from her losing her black herd is
Speaker 1: a Terry Crews pumping his arms and being like, fun, yeah,
Speaker 1: take it away. I don't need that ship or is
Speaker 1: this Is it more complicated than that? I think it's
Speaker 1: definitely more complicated, more nuanced than that. I think that
Speaker 1: you would find somebody like Terry Crews maybe saying something
Speaker 1: like that in jest. I think that a Candice Owens
Speaker 1: doesn't have the humor capacity to you know, like we'd
Speaker 1: be like I don't need you know, like, thank god,
Speaker 1: you guys took my black That's that was the last
Speaker 1: thing I was holding onto you, you know, thank you
Speaker 1: for you know. But I do think that there are
Speaker 1: people that exists that are black that might take on
Speaker 1: the pride of not being identified as black. And this
Speaker 1: is not this is not so much a visual thing,
Speaker 1: but it's a behavioral thing, you know, in a social
Speaker 1: status thing. But they wouldn't do it in front of
Speaker 1: other black people. Oh you know, that's like something that
Speaker 1: you say, are you watching bel Air? Am I personally? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You cann't pressure on me. You represent Amazon, I represent Pico. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love Bell my favorite show. Can't get enough of it.
Speaker 1: M m mmmm give me that, Will Smith boy, Well,
Speaker 1: since you know you you know that scene, that scene
Speaker 1: that you know, oh so well, you know I know it,
Speaker 1: But go ahead and describe it anyway for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Not the character Carlton, that the new vision of Carlton.
Speaker 1: He's in the locker room with his prep school buddies,
Speaker 1: and if they're all white guys and they're singing a
Speaker 1: rap song and the white guy you're saying like and
Speaker 1: word and word and word and word, you know, and
Speaker 1: that type of I could see that sort of character
Speaker 1: feeling like in that space, it's okay because nobody knows,
Speaker 1: but the moment Wills character is now in a space.
Speaker 1: Now there's conflict because there's a witness to this. There's
Speaker 1: somebody else that's opposing that. Do you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's interesting because you're suggesting that there
Speaker 1: is so much of our black identity is related around
Speaker 1: community that like, without the community, what is blackness? Right,
Speaker 1: it is something that we can easily, theoretically at least
Speaker 1: abandon were it not for a bunch of white people
Speaker 1: being you know, ridiculous, violent and angry towards us. But like,
Speaker 1: we could abandoned the blackness if it weren't for the
Speaker 1: fact that other black people are nearby, and then we
Speaker 1: gotta be like, Ship, I gotta be I gotta be
Speaker 1: black all the time and with with this other person.
Speaker 1: And so it becomes a bit of a catch twenty
Speaker 1: two in a way, right, because it's like that is
Speaker 1: both beautiful because then that's how we connect to each other,
Speaker 1: that's how we relate, that's how we identify. But then
Speaker 1: it also seems hindering where it's like, oh funk, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta perform as a community member at all
Speaker 1: as all times, at all times instead of as a
Speaker 1: singular person. M h oh, Ship, this is heavy before break.
Speaker 1: You know, we trying to go to break on some
Speaker 1: last lines and Ship and you're like, no, I'm about
Speaker 1: to hit you with some wisdom, motherfucker. Well here here's
Speaker 1: a joke I was trying to tell you know what
Speaker 1: They're trying to get Ellen up out of here, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I was. I was like that
Speaker 1: Ellen can't leave before I dance on her show, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like and I'm like, but but I've been practicing.
Speaker 1: I've been practicing my Ellen dance because I gotta dance
Speaker 1: well enough so black people know that I can dance,
Speaker 1: but not too good where they like, look at her
Speaker 1: doing too much for the white but for the white lady.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, I feel like that was even deeper.
Speaker 1: But I made you laugh. You go to commercial, No,
Speaker 1: I'll decide when we go to commercial, I'll dare you.
Speaker 1: But I will say that's that's a good fucking point,
Speaker 1: because there is. It's a sticky situation because you go
Speaker 1: out there and you do too many moves that look
Speaker 1: like you're rehearsing, Like look at this naked tap dance
Speaker 1: for the White Devil, and it's like, no, you gotta
Speaker 1: just stay in your pocket, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But all right, well, we're gonna get you on Ellen
Speaker 1: with this episode. In fact, we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with More's they napped Johnson and More.
Speaker 1: My mama told me and we are you have your passport?
Speaker 1: Did you get your shocks? Girl? Would you like to
Speaker 1: come back with Rob to a brandit com? Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: back here more. My mama told me, I heard Kelly
Speaker 1: and so long, and I like to throw him in
Speaker 1: every once in a while and see what it does
Speaker 1: for I heard our Kelly is And what's crazy is
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I noticed, Oh but I ain't supposed right. Also,
Speaker 1: it's literally the most predatory thing he's ever done, at
Speaker 1: least in a public space, of begging a bunch of
Speaker 1: foreign women to come back and get their get their
Speaker 1: shots first, obviously, and then come back to America to
Speaker 1: be his captive. And this was during he was already
Speaker 1: he was like on probation. My man did not give up.
Speaker 1: I don't on bail, he would say. He was like,
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I gotta, I'm gonna do me. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I can still get a captive you this, this can
Speaker 1: still work. Let me let me dig into this research
Speaker 1: with you, because I I like I said, because the
Speaker 1: black card itself is more of a euphemism than it
Speaker 1: is a real thing. There is no actual black hearted obviously,
Speaker 1: is a topic that lives more in theory than hard facts,
Speaker 1: but there is. It got me sort of thinking about
Speaker 1: like the idea of revoking a black card, right, And
Speaker 1: I found the Chicago Tribune article that explored this author's
Speaker 1: complicated relationship with their black card, or at least with
Speaker 1: the way that the black card is sort of treated
Speaker 1: out in society. And one of the things that they
Speaker 1: said was complicated is this constant response. And it feels
Speaker 1: like a very new response that comes from white people
Speaker 1: in saying how sort of like unfair or racist it
Speaker 1: is that black people are able to utilize and or
Speaker 1: even refer to a black card because the same would
Speaker 1: not be true for a white person. That there is
Speaker 1: no white card. And I'd love to hear your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that white people are crazy. White people are crazy.
Speaker 1: There are no black people. I'm about to say some
Speaker 1: real stereotypical things, but there are no black people. Like
Speaker 1: it ain't it ain't even fair that they put in
Speaker 1: cranberries in their potatoes. Have like, we're not over here
Speaker 1: looking across the fence saying it's like and you actually
Speaker 1: can do that, that's not up to us. If y'all
Speaker 1: want white cards, you can have white cards. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can have white cards. But just know if you say,
Speaker 1: now give you losing your white card, that it just
Speaker 1: feels different. It feels different, it sounds different, it feels different.
Speaker 1: But you know what it is. I actually know what
Speaker 1: it is. It's because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: black culture is the essence of everything you know, and
Speaker 1: we're able to make everything so cool even in our diste.
Speaker 1: Instead of saying, oh you ain't you ain't seen this
Speaker 1: thing that I've seen, You ain't have the same. Instead
Speaker 1: of saying that, we say, run me a black card.
Speaker 1: We make everything so cool. But then if you actually
Speaker 1: think about it, and this is gonna I'm getting real
Speaker 1: hole teppy now you know, if you if you if
Speaker 1: you think about doctors, they nap for the listeners at homes.
Speaker 1: They just pulls out an on and uh then go ahead.
Speaker 1: She literally intense. Uh. You know, when you think about
Speaker 1: like actual credit and currency, Right, what's the highest level
Speaker 1: of credit you can have when people feel really really
Speaker 1: on they it's a black card, right, was hired in
Speaker 1: a platinum car was hired in a gold card. It's
Speaker 1: a black card. And the fact that we use that
Speaker 1: you from, you know, we use that term in a
Speaker 1: very different way. It's still a certain they're still we're
Speaker 1: still putting a there's a certain like hierarchy to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a white car sounds whack, right, We're we are beautifying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: every part of our our language, our communication. Even as
Speaker 1: we are taking something away from one of our peers,
Speaker 1: it is still taking a It's taken the best of
Speaker 1: the best away from them, not just some bullshit to
Speaker 1: your point, which a white card would be like I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want that in the first place. And
Speaker 1: ultimately it's it's celebratory, right, because when you are quote
Speaker 1: unquote taking somebody's black card, you're not taking it because
Speaker 1: you're not like, oh you ain't kill five nigga's give
Speaker 1: right there, nobody saying that. It's like, hold on, there
Speaker 1: are these things and our exist in our history that
Speaker 1: we we have to, that we want to and that
Speaker 1: we always hope will be celebrated. And so the only
Speaker 1: reason why we're saying we're taking your black card is
Speaker 1: because if you don't know these things, if you haven't
Speaker 1: experienced these things, and that means at some point in
Speaker 1: this history it will stop, and we don't want it
Speaker 1: to stop. And so really it's it's it's celebratory. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we have been like the
Speaker 1: people who have found a way in all of the
Speaker 1: strife and all of the hardship, we found a way
Speaker 1: to celebrate everything, you know, And so I think in
Speaker 1: essence what that person in that article is saying, we're like,
Speaker 1: it's unfair we don't have a white card. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and all the ship that y'all have, all the privilege
Speaker 1: that the quote unquote privilege that that people say that
Speaker 1: a certain group of people have. Y'all don't be celebrating, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're white parties. They don't even play music. They just
Speaker 1: sort of standing around and check with each other. Listen,
Speaker 1: even when you said white party, I thought about a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of black people were white. No, But I
Speaker 1: think to your point, it's it's we don't always have
Speaker 1: a lot. We're not always sitting on like fucking gold
Speaker 1: in terms of the resources that we are allotted. But
Speaker 1: we are sort of finding ourselves in positions where we're
Speaker 1: creating fun and interesting games and all kinds of cool
Speaker 1: ship inside of that, and that, I think, to your point,
Speaker 1: is frustrating for an outsider looking in who goes, well,
Speaker 1: we took everything from them, Why are these niggas still giggling?
Speaker 1: Like why the funk are they still finding ways to
Speaker 1: have fun inside of that? And that's frustrating. I imagine
Speaker 1: if you if you wish that we were dead and gone,
Speaker 1: I guess mm hmmmmmm. I just you know, like just
Speaker 1: on a just on a person to person level. I rarely,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, Lenggsten, with all of our
Speaker 1: ambitions and goals and and sometimes you find yourself, especially
Speaker 1: in this business, you find yourself, you know, looking at
Speaker 1: your peers sometimes who may be moving at a different
Speaker 1: pace than you, and you may be like, dang, I
Speaker 1: wanted that thing too, you know, and why did they
Speaker 1: get this thing or get this opportunity? And I didn't
Speaker 1: be outside of that. I rarely. I ain't never really
Speaker 1: looking across my neighbor's lawn like what they over there doing? Right?
Speaker 1: So concept of a person doing that, but then like
Speaker 1: an entire like race of people doing like what they
Speaker 1: over there doing? And why can't they look like that?
Speaker 1: Why can't we do it? That's like crazy to me? Sure, No,
Speaker 1: it's I think it is. It's I've never once to
Speaker 1: your point I literally I don't even know what the
Speaker 1: ladies who live across the street look like. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: just mind my fucking business to some extent. And the
Speaker 1: idea that people who are not your neighbors, who are truly,
Speaker 1: truly just people existing out in the world, are causing
Speaker 1: that much of a distraction to you that you feel
Speaker 1: like you need to police the way that they speak
Speaker 1: to each other, the way that they they are communicating
Speaker 1: inside of a smaller world, is fucking nuts. There's no
Speaker 1: other explanation for it. But we we gotta help. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is our plight,
Speaker 1: and like we're gonna we just gotta help. We gotta
Speaker 1: help white people. We gotta get white people some cool ship.
Speaker 1: We gotta find out what they white card, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We gotta get them a white card.
Speaker 1: We gotta get them, we gotta get them some white
Speaker 1: culture so that they got that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So they But here's the thing, we wouldn't care, Like
Speaker 1: I swear if I heard two white women like what,
Speaker 1: you don't know who paris help in it? Yeah, give
Speaker 1: sorry for the impression. I don't know why I have Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't know who Paris Hill it is. Give me
Speaker 1: your white card, girl, I would not care. I would yo,
Speaker 1: it would give me such a good bit. I would
Speaker 1: crack up laugh. I would be like, oh, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want I want to who else they got to
Speaker 1: know about it. We gotta give them a word, They
Speaker 1: gotta give them stuff so that they also feel like
Speaker 1: we got this cool thing. Yeah. No, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's a very beautiful way to look at their insanity.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, y'all could have it too, if you
Speaker 1: would just stop focusing on us. You truly, and we
Speaker 1: don't even have the power to police you most of
Speaker 1: the time. Like even you know, I have frustrating conversations
Speaker 1: with with our white peers and in sort of the
Speaker 1: comedy industry where they go like, you know, everybody wants
Speaker 1: diversity now, and I feel like I'm not. I'm being
Speaker 1: overlooked or I'm not getting the opportunities into slight bro.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's fucking true. And even if it is,
Speaker 1: like there's still so many pockets that we haven't made
Speaker 1: it into, Like even if the threshold is starting to
Speaker 1: bleed towards wanting black and brown voices mixed into the
Speaker 1: whole thing. There's a bunch of ship that just still
Speaker 1: is wholly, totally white that you can thrive in and
Speaker 1: will not reject you in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: So like, go do your thing, Go have fun in
Speaker 1: your little white space, if that's that much of a
Speaker 1: concern for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was just
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was thinking like also then
Speaker 1: be you know, for so long and and and you know,
Speaker 1: I really want to hear what else you found or
Speaker 1: what another research you found. But it's like, for so long,
Speaker 1: you know, a certain group of people were able to
Speaker 1: be average or not even you know, and it's like,
Speaker 1: so now in order for you to not be overlooked,
Speaker 1: you have to be a bit more than it. And
Speaker 1: so work on that. That's not actually not my fault,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: our fault. But now you have work to do because
Speaker 1: now you can't just show up. You actually have to
Speaker 1: show up and stand out. Yeah, this this really shifted
Speaker 1: from nineteen fifties NBA to nineteen you know, NBA. You
Speaker 1: gotta let's play some ball, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: At gonna cut it and even still not really you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I it's very rare. There's still
Speaker 1: there's there's so many billboards that are like not like
Speaker 1: like we're doing you a favor, We're being severely empathetic
Speaker 1: and kind and patient having this conversation. Why am I
Speaker 1: being overlooked? Or I wish, well, we don't have a
Speaker 1: white car that that shows our compassion. But it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't. We shouldn't even have to entertain this, you know.
Speaker 1: So this is what it got me thinking about because
Speaker 1: as I was reading through this article, he's sort of
Speaker 1: this author was making a bunch of points about how
Speaker 1: the Black Heart itself is not in fact racist, and
Speaker 1: so much of it is just a sort of like
Speaker 1: response that comes out of, you know, exactly to what
Speaker 1: your point, the insanity of white people wanting to modify
Speaker 1: and take control of black voices, black perspectives, all of
Speaker 1: that ship. But one of the things that I got
Speaker 1: to thinking about it, and and I'd love to hear your
Speaker 1: thoughts on, is a fear that I've I've been feeling
Speaker 1: for a while that maybe we of them too much
Speaker 1: of our ship. Do you know what I mean? That like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I worry that, especially because of the Internet, we're
Speaker 1: making so many of our black cardship available for their
Speaker 1: entertainment that when they take it, we're always baffled and like,
Speaker 1: how the why would you? How could you, Kim Kardashian
Speaker 1: do the things that we do in our spaces, And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but we told the bitch everything we
Speaker 1: do and a goofy motherfucker like that is gonna naturally
Speaker 1: do it. And I'd love to hear where you stand
Speaker 1: in all of that. Do you feel like we're giving
Speaker 1: too much away? Or is that me shaming ourselves for Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's blaming the victim. I
Speaker 1: think we're just living. The young black girl that does
Speaker 1: a dance on TikTok, she just did a dance that day.
Speaker 1: She fucking heard a song, she was inspired, and she's
Speaker 1: so gifted that she came up with a fucking dance.
Speaker 1: They got millions of youths and then a bunch of
Speaker 1: other people do it, So it's not we have to
Speaker 1: blame the Ellens of the world who then grabbed the
Speaker 1: white kid that co ops that dance and puts them
Speaker 1: on the global stage. That's not that that that little
Speaker 1: girl was just living her life and utilizing a tool
Speaker 1: put in place for her to live her life. That's it.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so what so
Speaker 1: so so what I'm what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Not wear corn rows for fear that the that the
Speaker 1: Kardashian is going to where the corn Like? Do you
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying? Like, Oh, we're actually doing is
Speaker 1: living our lives and in living our lives more and
Speaker 1: more so boldly and unapologetically, which I think is absolutely beautiful,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think I but but I mean
Speaker 1: it goes back to people that ain't nobody give up rock,
Speaker 1: Nobody give that up. People was playing their hearts their
Speaker 1: souls there. Do you get what I'm saying that it
Speaker 1: is not It is not simply that we, uh we
Speaker 1: handed it over politely to the people who commodified it.
Speaker 1: They simply they took advantage of a situation. They stole
Speaker 1: the rights to this type of music or to the
Speaker 1: songs themselves, and because they were in charge of the radios,
Speaker 1: they were in charge of all the other things, it
Speaker 1: became theirs. We didn't hand it over, and I hear
Speaker 1: a lot of people exactly. I hear a lot of
Speaker 1: people say with with I'll just say protesting like in
Speaker 1: this country and around the World's like, well, if we
Speaker 1: just stop, you know what I'm saying, if we stopped,
Speaker 1: as you say, giving, if we stop spending money, if
Speaker 1: we stopped, yeah, sure that sounds good. But what are
Speaker 1: we supposed to just stop living our lives? Like you
Speaker 1: want us to come to a complete stop. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I know somebody is probably listening, like no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, it's not stop spending your money. It's spending
Speaker 1: your money in black were black places. It's like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's Do you think I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: my money in black places? Right? But when I just
Speaker 1: need some freaking toilet paper because I just ain't. It
Speaker 1: ain't no black toilet paper when a seven eleven and
Speaker 1: it ain't no black toilet paper? And Target? Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying? So you you gotta stop.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like you it's like really asking us
Speaker 1: a person who is really just as people were just
Speaker 1: and this shouldn't be blamed like a naively in the
Speaker 1: pursuit of happiness. Yeah, no, I think that's fair. And
Speaker 1: I will say I feel that fear that I expressed
Speaker 1: to you, but then I feel all the things that
Speaker 1: you're saying along with it, right, is that people shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to to sort of like squash their goals or
Speaker 1: their lives or keep secrets from you know, the outside world.
Speaker 1: Young people shouldn't have young Black people shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: avoid the internet at the cost that like they're giving
Speaker 1: away a part of our culture. And so it really
Speaker 1: is more a question of like why is it that
Speaker 1: there's this incessant need to either control or or at
Speaker 1: least take it exists in this white community more than
Speaker 1: it is being like black people, shut the funk up.
Speaker 1: That's just hot. I was I was on this on
Speaker 1: panel recently and they were talking about like black voices
Speaker 1: and more specifically black female voices, and like, so how
Speaker 1: do we continue to you know, push these stories and something.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know this, this is probably like a
Speaker 1: really idealistic answer, but it's actually like a human kind
Speaker 1: issue because like I don't need to be a kid
Speaker 1: to watch a kid's story. I don't need to be
Speaker 1: a man to watch a story. But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't need to be white to understand
Speaker 1: white people in their stories. And so you shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to be a woman to want to see women. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be Black or Spanish or ending and
Speaker 1: or Asian to want to see those stories. And if
Speaker 1: you are, you're the problem. Whoa they NAB's hot, y'all?
Speaker 1: She mad, she came on very, she came on very bois,
Speaker 1: her bun is undone. Now her air is everywhere, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know quite how to fix
Speaker 1: an issue that I feel like starts in like the soul. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that is the challenge that we're
Speaker 1: facing now, and it's sort of the frustrating one that
Speaker 1: that I at least feel sometimes in in these there's
Speaker 1: this instinct now where white people say some crazy shit
Speaker 1: and we shame them, we we tweet at them, we
Speaker 1: go how you you should know, mr Man, that actually
Speaker 1: this was started by a black person, and shame on
Speaker 1: you for not knowing that. And it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's fixing anything anymore. And that's part of
Speaker 1: what I mean about life, the giving, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: more of a giving of our own spirit because the
Speaker 1: reality is is that their souls are so broken in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that there's yeah, I think they're finking.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm laughing at both of us, like God days,
Speaker 1: but for us to know and work with so many
Speaker 1: white people, But no, I think there's such a brokenness
Speaker 1: in the way that that as a mass their culture
Speaker 1: moves that you shame me. It's not like you say
Speaker 1: that ship and they go, oh ship, My bad. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize I've learned something today. And maybe that's a
Speaker 1: natural human instinct, right, like we're not always quick to
Speaker 1: to acknowledge our weakness. That's the very animal thing that
Speaker 1: exists inside of us. But I do genuinely think we've
Speaker 1: reached the point where we have to stop negotiating with
Speaker 1: with qualities that we know are they they know, they're
Speaker 1: not dumb, They're fully aware. They just don't like us, bro,
Speaker 1: And you tweeting at them ain't gonna make make them cooler,
Speaker 1: you know. M hmm. Let me ask you this though,
Speaker 1: and this is just this is a little aside. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen like a white person make a mistake
Speaker 1: and then a black person call them out and you'd
Speaker 1: be like, damn, I didn't know that either. All the time. Now,
Speaker 1: what black person, did you know? I would have lost
Speaker 1: I would have lost my black card, but then white
Speaker 1: person just got down. Yeah it's crazy, brother, any who, Uh, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. And so it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that I think, I think we all have
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to just be humans inside of some
Speaker 1: of this ship and be honest that, like if a
Speaker 1: person corrects you, a person corrects you, it isn't always racial,
Speaker 1: It isn't always rooted in some like indignity to to
Speaker 1: another person's like culture. It truly might just be you
Speaker 1: got some ship wrong. And if you can un undo
Speaker 1: the part of you that goes like why is this
Speaker 1: white man saying this to me or this black lady
Speaker 1: talking to me this way, we might be able to
Speaker 1: just reach a point where we go. My bad dog
Speaker 1: truly had no idea. My card stays intact, Everything is,
Speaker 1: Everything is as it should be in terms of who
Speaker 1: I am. Because we're we're a little more tolerant of
Speaker 1: each other. Mm hmm. Let me ask you this last
Speaker 1: question before we go to break. I'm curious to know
Speaker 1: because one of the things that this article sort of
Speaker 1: addresses is this massive wave of of sort of like
Speaker 1: young black people especially, but I think it's black people
Speaker 1: of all kinds who sort of are are constantly pushing
Speaker 1: Blackness is not a monolith, right that there is no
Speaker 1: singular black experience. Yeah, our experience. It's all the people
Speaker 1: that are like why why is a black man who
Speaker 1: I have to vote for Democrats? The Democrats ain't done
Speaker 1: shipped for me? Like where do you think they fall
Speaker 1: in the world of losing black cards? Is a person
Speaker 1: who who sort of takes the position that like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't want to align with all of these these
Speaker 1: things suddenly less black or is that more complicated as well?
Speaker 1: That's definitely more complicated, And I don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: I definitely don't. And in terms of like, um, the
Speaker 1: black card, I think that they're like culturally prevalent things,
Speaker 1: but not not so much political things like if somebody
Speaker 1: is like yeah, if somebody is like well why especially
Speaker 1: if they're especially if they worded in question form, you know,
Speaker 1: then I'm not gonna be like, oh you ain't. You
Speaker 1: ain't vote abiding man, you you're losing your black card.
Speaker 1: Like I think that, I mean that that might be
Speaker 1: the most idiotic things. Sure you know, and and it's
Speaker 1: it's actually more insulting when because it just hit me
Speaker 1: thinking about that statement. When a white person kind of
Speaker 1: tells you that you're not black, enow, you're losing your
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, like if you don't vote for me, then
Speaker 1: you're not black. It's like, that's the same as saying
Speaker 1: that work, you said something, you said something in the
Speaker 1: community that you ain't a part of, You don't got
Speaker 1: you can't even determine that, you know. But I think
Speaker 1: that a quote unquote cultural staple is different than a
Speaker 1: hard conversation, even if it's a conversation of discourse in
Speaker 1: an attempt to, I don't know, find a solution a
Speaker 1: group of people. I don't think that I don't think
Speaker 1: that a black card plays in I think that's a
Speaker 1: healthy way to approach it. Yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: dangerous game when we start getting into political conversations and
Speaker 1: sort of like these grander, existential even conversations. But to
Speaker 1: your point, if we're talking about like, yo, you ain't
Speaker 1: you don't you know, do this with your grits? All right,
Speaker 1: that's that's a conversation where we can remain silly and
Speaker 1: casual inside of it and still be healthy communicators on
Speaker 1: the other side of it. Yeah, Like, I have the
Speaker 1: same response if a person is black or white. If
Speaker 1: somebody is like, um, they voted for I don't care
Speaker 1: what you look like. If today you're like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: fucked or world war I'm gonna have the same sort
Speaker 1: of response. That's not a that's not a black or
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's not like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh man, you want to you want
Speaker 1: them to go to war? You ain't black. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have I don't care what what your gender is, what
Speaker 1: your ethnic makeup is. I'm gonna have the same response. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this ain't a racial conversation no more. You're a nut,
Speaker 1: and I would like you to stop behaving the way
Speaker 1: you're behaving. But I think that there are certain things
Speaker 1: that are in that same demo that I named eighties, nineties,
Speaker 1: early two thousand's that they experience it's in a very
Speaker 1: like white way that I didn't experience, and that and
Speaker 1: and that would be okay. If they were like shocked
Speaker 1: that I didn't except, that would be okay. And if
Speaker 1: amongst their peers, like if white people sat at the table,
Speaker 1: and we're like, you didn't see signs felt right? I would,
Speaker 1: I would understand that. Yeah, yeah, And I think they
Speaker 1: do shame each other for that. And maybe point they
Speaker 1: can start adding cards to this ship, like take some
Speaker 1: cards away, let's see. Let's I think this is the
Speaker 1: grander point that I think I'm getting from all of this.
Speaker 1: We need to create more hierarchy in the white community.
Speaker 1: You all have been living sort of at this like, uh,
Speaker 1: this shared white experience without acknowledging anything for too long.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see some some kings and some queens
Speaker 1: rise up. I'm trying to see some poppers fall down.
Speaker 1: Let's let's start a white world war, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let's I ain't even I won't be there, I won't
Speaker 1: tune in. I won't. It's like what they what they do.
Speaker 1: It's just like my neighbor across the street. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing over there, and I don't care
Speaker 1: to know. They ain't none my business. All right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna take one more break. We'll be back when more's
Speaker 1: at Johnson More my mama told me, and we are.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody got time for that. Yeah, we're back here
Speaker 1: when Moore's they nab Johnson more. My mama told me,
Speaker 1: we're still talking about the possibility that a black card
Speaker 1: can be lost, taken away, revoked, as the the Classic
Speaker 1: Card Games suggests. Okay, this is exciting for me because
Speaker 1: as I was looking through research and trying to unpack
Speaker 1: the possibility of sort of exploring this conversation with you,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I found is a a
Speaker 1: running list on ironically buzz Feed of all places, you know,
Speaker 1: the place where all black people go for their for
Speaker 1: their news and information. But buzz Feed had a list
Speaker 1: of things that they believe or at least a a
Speaker 1: Twitter conversation started that might represent the revocation of someone's
Speaker 1: black card. They're taking away of someone's black card. And
Speaker 1: I'd just like to run through some of this list
Speaker 1: with you and see where you fall in terms of
Speaker 1: number one, whether or not you this would in fact
Speaker 1: take your black card away, But number two, whether or
Speaker 1: not you think that these are important enough to be
Speaker 1: deciding the worth of someone's blackness. Okay, all right. The
Speaker 1: first one, and this was originally this entire sort of
Speaker 1: like train was started by this dude, Chris Evans, not
Speaker 1: Captain America on Twitter. But he said, don't revoke my
Speaker 1: black card. But I've never seen the whiz black hard.
Speaker 1: He's got his. He's losing his black card immediately. Only
Speaker 1: for that. That's the thing that's the beauty about the
Speaker 1: black card. It's like two seconds later they you take it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, you get it back, okay.
Speaker 1: You know it's like we got multiple black cards because
Speaker 1: it's like lengths and if you took my black card,
Speaker 1: then I could go and sit down with another black
Speaker 1: person and it's like they don't even know you got
Speaker 1: my black it's reinstated. That's a nice You're right, it's
Speaker 1: a very nice thing of I can go, I can
Speaker 1: go spend time with a different group of individuals and
Speaker 1: they're like this the blackest black andy motherfucker I ever
Speaker 1: met in my life. And you're like, yeah, I'm back, baby,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I got I got nine black cards that
Speaker 1: are being held from me right now. But I got
Speaker 1: thirty two black cards over here. So now a couple
Speaker 1: of these places I can't go back to. They got
Speaker 1: my picture on the wall, they say I can't come
Speaker 1: back in. But everywhere else I'm good. I'm still black.
Speaker 1: I'm good exactly, but I don't think the wind. I
Speaker 1: would never say that the not seeing the whids makes
Speaker 1: you not black. Maybe you don't like musicals. That's a
Speaker 1: good that's a good response, because but now I am
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real honest with you, like saying I
Speaker 1: might give a black person a side eye if they like,
Speaker 1: I don't funk with the wids. But oh that that
Speaker 1: that wizard of Oz. That that Wizard of Oz. Don't
Speaker 1: that that's my ship? I don't wid. Then then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be like, yeah, because now you're adding a layer
Speaker 1: to this ship that didn't exist before. Hold On, it's
Speaker 1: the same story. Hold on and the songs say different
Speaker 1: in the wind. You're making a hard choice there. Okay,
Speaker 1: this was This was another one that came up. It
Speaker 1: was not knowing how to play spades? Where do you
Speaker 1: fall in the spades conversation? And of at all. I
Speaker 1: do understand that people I take spades very seriously, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take somebody's black card because I wouldn't expect
Speaker 1: to lose my black card because I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to play spades. Because I also think spades is a
Speaker 1: very regional thing. I agree, because there's card games that
Speaker 1: people from the South say, I have never heard of
Speaker 1: them in my life. I've never heard of these card
Speaker 1: games in my life. But it's but but that's what
Speaker 1: they play. They don't place. But you know, so my
Speaker 1: wife and her her grandmother and grandfather play pinuckle, and
Speaker 1: they like fucking They used to. They go crazy with pinuckles.
Speaker 1: They used to be in tournaments for pinnuckle. And then
Speaker 1: one time I was like, hey, bro, just teach me
Speaker 1: how to play pinuckle and it's the goofiest fucking game
Speaker 1: because you gotta add extra cards to the deck and
Speaker 1: all the ship. But they're from Maryland. So if I,
Speaker 1: you know, and in Maryland, some old black household, I go,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to play pinuckle, They'll be like,
Speaker 1: get your corny asside of our house. This you ain't
Speaker 1: playing pinuckle. What you're doing. I'm happy that you set
Speaker 1: cards because when you said pinuckle, although I've heard that
Speaker 1: before because I'm sure if somebody kicked me out for
Speaker 1: not knowing how to play pinuckle, but I don't even
Speaker 1: know when you said it, I was like, does that
Speaker 1: involve dominoes? Like what, what are the tools of this game?
Speaker 1: The instruments that we use for this game. I love that. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a this one hit me. This was very
Speaker 1: complicated for me. This one came up where someone said,
Speaker 1: don't revoke my black card, but I've never seen the Wire.
Speaker 1: Well maybe they just couldn't afford HBO. See it's certain
Speaker 1: things you have to you get what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: but but here, here's here's a funny story. I was
Speaker 1: how sitting years ago for this white woman who lives
Speaker 1: in Veness, her her and her husband artists, like really
Speaker 1: really hit the artist, and I'm how sitting and as
Speaker 1: I leave, She's like, Zana, we left the box, but
Speaker 1: we left the season one DVD set of The Wire
Speaker 1: if you want to check it out? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: And I felt, I don't know, but the fact that
Speaker 1: she was white made me made me check it out.
Speaker 1: But I swear it was a black lady. I would
Speaker 1: have been like, girl, I'm watching what you know? But
Speaker 1: like that told me to watch the Wire, And oh
Speaker 1: my god, I watched the Wire, you know, but for
Speaker 1: some reason, I just felt like it was like the
Speaker 1: black things she had in her house yet like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, and so and so, I I never
Speaker 1: watched it. But here's the thing it was funny about
Speaker 1: some things are so in the zeitgeist at a certain time.
Speaker 1: I've never I've seen episodes like Independent, you know, some
Speaker 1: episodes of The Wire. I didn't watch the entire you know.
Speaker 1: But but that's truly because I was poor, sure, and
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm a kid when the Wire is on.
Speaker 1: My parents didn't have HB Like that's simply what it was.
Speaker 1: But even more to that's like, to me, it's a
Speaker 1: really weird thing for that to somehow question your black
Speaker 1: card for a television show like you said on HBO,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a prime network, premium network network
Speaker 1: that wasn't served the same black people for a really
Speaker 1: long time. But then additionally is made by a white man,
Speaker 1: Like it's not like this Mother Care is like nobody's
Speaker 1: like David Signon is down dog. That's that's that's mother
Speaker 1: we rock with. It's just he made the thing. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I know, who string our bell is?
Speaker 1: I still as much as I never seen it. I
Speaker 1: know the guy never seen the episode of Power, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't for me, and I moved on. And I
Speaker 1: don't tell people often yeah, yeah. I mean I keep
Speaker 1: quiet too. Whenever you know I haven't, I don't. There's
Speaker 1: very few black people that I have interacted with outside
Speaker 1: of the world of comedy. And one of the worst
Speaker 1: things because you know they're watching there's so many spinoffs now.
Speaker 1: They sometimes they see you the morning after they watched
Speaker 1: the last episode, so it's like, have you seen have
Speaker 1: you seen Power Book? And I'll be like, I don't
Speaker 1: even say I haven't seen it. Like I don't say no,
Speaker 1: I don't want. I used to say I don't watch it,
Speaker 1: but I stopped saying that because it gets a certain response.
Speaker 1: Now I say I haven't seen it yet. On my wife,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. That's actually where I'm at
Speaker 1: him right now. I'm about it's on my It's on
Speaker 1: my list of things to do, just not yet, but
Speaker 1: but definitely not never, not never, not yet. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to see? What come on? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with a couple more and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna head out of here. But but this one was
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Hating color greens, black eyed peas, baked beans,
Speaker 1: and yams. They listed all the foods apparently, but this
Speaker 1: entire list of foods potentially could revoke your black card.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand in all of that? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can lose you. I mean I wouldn't personally take somebody's
Speaker 1: black card away. I would be wondering, like what your
Speaker 1: taste buzz is like, because it's like those are pretty
Speaker 1: good tasting, like they're different too, like you mentioned sweet
Speaker 1: stuff and savory. Like where do you just exist on
Speaker 1: like the scale of like food, like you like that
Speaker 1: forget being black. It's just like I don't really want
Speaker 1: to go out to eat with you, Like that's to me,
Speaker 1: you know, but I do understand with like if you're
Speaker 1: not that's that's essentially sold food, and you're saying you
Speaker 1: ain't rocking with all the soul food sides, then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna take a black right. That's how
Speaker 1: I felt, was like if I say all four of
Speaker 1: these things are gross, me cool, take it away. I
Speaker 1: don't deserve this ship. But if I'm like, yo, I'm
Speaker 1: more of a greens some black eyed peas dude than
Speaker 1: a yams and you know big beans dude, what that's
Speaker 1: just preferential. Man. We all got different taste. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you ain't even really saved yourself. You ain't
Speaker 1: be like but I've loved sweeper tato. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You would have came with the positive at
Speaker 1: the end. You just you just laid all the sides
Speaker 1: out there. It's like you so you don't like the vestigies.
Speaker 1: All this starts just okay, mm hmmm, I'm gonna heard
Speaker 1: you with one more and then we are going to
Speaker 1: get out of here. I want to find a really
Speaker 1: good one on this list. Oh this this will do.
Speaker 1: Not owning a bonnet to protect your hair at night,
Speaker 1: does that get your black card taken away from you? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: don't all right, no it doesn't because I mean lengthy.
Speaker 1: I think you know this. I had a shape tap
Speaker 1: for eight years. I ain't nothing and that will. Let
Speaker 1: me just tell you I felt free. I felt for
Speaker 1: really okay. I felt for real. I didn't think about
Speaker 1: my head when I laid down and go to sleep.
Speaker 1: I felt I felt for really okay. Every every shower
Speaker 1: the water was running on the top of my head,
Speaker 1: I felt for really okay. So no, and we all
Speaker 1: have different like I mean, the bonnets are very useful
Speaker 1: and and very helpful and protected for specific hair type.
Speaker 1: But that goes back to black people not being a monolith, right,
Speaker 1: Like we all have different hair types, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people think, which this is a really ignorant thought,
Speaker 1: that you have to be a mixed race person to
Speaker 1: have a particular hair type. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the same, It's all my I'm the same as
Speaker 1: all my twelve other siblings. I got the most course
Speaker 1: hair right of the sibling. My sisters have hair that
Speaker 1: you would say, oh, are you Ethiopian? And said, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like they're trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out because people believe that black people have one type
Speaker 1: of hair if they're not something other than Do you
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, there's not some sort of exoticism
Speaker 1: attached to their blackness? Yeah? No, I have a homie
Speaker 1: who I asked recently just found out that he hadn't
Speaker 1: been perming his hair this whole time. He's like an
Speaker 1: older dude, and so I thought he was still doing
Speaker 1: like that ship that Diddy and Loon did back in
Speaker 1: the UH and that I Need a Girl Part two video,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like they were how they
Speaker 1: had like the finger wave joints. I was like, baally,
Speaker 1: this thing is still doing the finger waves, Ship, and
Speaker 1: he was like, na I just I'm just a black
Speaker 1: man with with softer hair than than Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: my counterparts and I don't. I don't know where it
Speaker 1: comes from, but that's just the way it's always been.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Ship, all right, cool, I'm glad
Speaker 1: to know you ain't doing this over your sink like
Speaker 1: we did in high school. Yeah, it's so it's so
Speaker 1: interesting too, like that last one you asked me. It's
Speaker 1: funny how you someone can say if you don't own
Speaker 1: a bonnet as a black because really they're talking to
Speaker 1: black women, right, It's like black guy's own bonnet. It's
Speaker 1: like if you don't own a blond, if you don't
Speaker 1: own a bonnet, then you lose your black card or
Speaker 1: you're not black. But then a black woman, comedian Monique,
Speaker 1: told us, why are you wearing your boy? Why I
Speaker 1: got to see your bonnet? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So there's also this there's also this opposing conversation that
Speaker 1: happens with it. That's the reason why the black card
Speaker 1: is so fun Yes, and to your point, if we
Speaker 1: keep it fun. This is a game worth playing. But
Speaker 1: if and you said this originally, if we take it seriously,
Speaker 1: this ship is asked because it's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: people yelling at you from different directions, being like you're
Speaker 1: not black enough, you ain't black in the right way
Speaker 1: that I expected. It's crazy. Yeah, damn, I think we
Speaker 1: did as they nap. I think we. I think what
Speaker 1: a wonderful episode. This was great. Could you tell the
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Speaker 1: they can find you? First of all, y'all better catch
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