WEBVTT - Black Card Declined (with Zainab Johnson) 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.800 Yeah, but just like just like I seen coming to 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.440 America or whatever, I never saw et do you get 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.560 what I'm saying? And I feel like if I mean, 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.320 sometimes sometimes I say stuff just to you know, just 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.040 to make white people feels, you know, like I love 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:21.840 saying who when they'd be like, you know, merrily streak. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:47.840 I'm like, who never heard of racist stuff? I can't 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:54.240 tell me. Yep, yep, yep, there it is. There it is. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.680 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.600 Mama Told Me, a podcast where we died deep, deep 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.920 into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.600 work to prove that Miss Cita from Ceda's World can 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.480 still get it. It don't matter that that booty is 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.200 in sixteen bit, it's still a booty worth celebrating Square 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.840 Mario Kart. Booties need love too, and I'm just the 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.160 man to give it to them. That is something that 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.480 I believe, ladies and gentlemen at home, and it's a 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.600 it's a fact that I'm spreading out in the world. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.280 I'm your host, Legs than Kerman as always, What a 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.960 pleasure to be back with you. We've taken quite a 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.600 fucking hiatus. You know, I don't usually leave y'all for 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.760 very long, but I left you, and I apologize. But 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.360 I'm back, baby, and I'm I'm as fucked up as ever. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.280 I'm as sick and twisted as you. You remember and 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.760 listen my guest today, she is not fucked up. She 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.240 she is I'd say she's a good person and and 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.800 more importantly, a very funny person, an exceptionally funny individual, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.880 so so talented that you know hers from from a 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:04.920 amazing ship. She's been on all death comedy. She's she's hilarious. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.880 She oh oh, she has a show. It's in its 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.120 second season on Amazon. It's called up Low. Y'all need 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.280 to be watching that ship. Please give it up. From 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:21.560 my guests, miss snap Sho, I'm saying, hey, was I 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:27.240 supposed to wait? I don't know what you know. They're 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.040 not real people. I'm just pressing up button. But you 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.079 know how some people are so like O C D. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.800 It's like, let's run that back, let me let me 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.600 do that again. Oh No, I don't give a ship. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.520 I I just fumble fumble through this every time we 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.840 do it. So you know, I'm happy. I'm just happy. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.480 You're here. I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:52.520 you came with a conspiracy theory that I'll be honest, 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.120 it's it's a challenging one. I'd say. It's it's one 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.520 that that will challenge all of us, both both listeners 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.080 and podcasters alike. We're we are all going to be 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.040 challenged by your conspiracy theory. And I won't waste any 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:11.359 more time. You said, my mama told me be careful, 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:19.000 you can lose your black car. Tell me more since 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:25.600 the dawn of time, I mean, yeah, we've all heard it. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.200 We've all made that classic mistake where you didn't say 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:35.360 something right. You aren't familiar with whatever is in black culture, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.760 something that is cemented, something that they feel like black 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.560 people feel like whoever the black people you know how 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.400 we say like black Twitter. It's like, I don't know 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.880 who specifically black Twitter is. But when they decide something, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.440 it has been decided. And if you and if for 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.520 some reason you dropped the ball, you lose your black heart, 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:03.040 which essentially means you lose credit. It no longer are 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:09.640 credited with being a black person, which is crazy, but 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.840 it happens, and we care about it. Well, that's what 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.160 I was gonna ask you, and you're already diving in. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.960 And I love this. Your your energy, I feel fucking 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.279 you're your your intensity is it's it's emanating through the screen. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.960 But you said that it's it's crazy, and I'm curious 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.800 to know more. Do you, in fact think it's like 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.599 crazy in a wrong way or just crazy and are like, WHOA, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.480 that's wild kind of way. I think it depends on 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.920 the day, because I've been on both sides. I've I've 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.120 lost the black card a few times. I imagine there 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.679 may come a time in this episode where you decide 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:53.560 to revoke it for your listeners, I'm sure, But I've 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.640 also been on the other side where I'm like, you 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.680 really don't no, no, no, no, rum me that rum 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.720 me that you know, run me that black card. Very 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.000 rarely though, I'm never on this because because I'm so 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:09.760 often on the side that loses it. But I think 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:15.800 that it's wild because where did it come from? You know? 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.240 And this I think like in black culture, there's always 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.039 been this thing about like you ain't black enough, or 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.080 you ain't being black, or you ain't being the right 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.599 type of black. You know, It's like there's there's always 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.400 been that thing, and I wonder, like did we do 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.960 that to ourselves? And the black card is just like 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.520 one part of that? Sure? You know, Well, let me 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.080 address a few things. First of all, you you should 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.520 in no way fear the possibility that you will lose 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.160 your black card because of me. Who am I as 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.279 as light as I am to be taking the black 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.200 card away from a lady named zay Nab Johnson. You 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.799 know what I mean, Like, I ain't got no business 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.440 doing nothing, but you know what, the black card ain't 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.039 even got the with what you look like or what's 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.880 your name? You know, they might take a black card 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.560 away from you. Book, I've lost a black card because 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.920 my name is Zane after so soundingly like sounding so 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.080 ethnic for me to not that's all the more right 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.920 that like, and that's what makes it so complicated, right, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.440 is that it does become if if I can, I 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.360 hate even making this like a more like intellectual conversation, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.760 but it it is sort of like we standardize these 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.760 small pockets of community and we say this is a 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.240 representation of all blackness, right, but then that community is 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:42.400 not community communicating with another black community that set itself 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.920 up and so those black communities start to jet against 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.360 each other where it's like, nah, the black people of 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.000 this section of the country don't believe this is what 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.840 black people do. And then you move to Ohio or 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.400 New York or whatever the funk it is, and suddenly 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.280 they're like, yeah, we do that. In They're like, nigga, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.440 you ain't real, you ain't black. You I'm taking your 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.239 black car. And it often is with things that really 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.960 don't matter, like I'll reveal to something that in the 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.120 past couple of years oufter, you know, like my black boyfriend, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.360 like I think he reevaluated the relationship with me when 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.760 it was revealed. I can't tell I can't tell you. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:29.000 In Anita Baker song, oh Man, all right, I wouldn't 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.160 know it was Anita Baker standing next to me and 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:37.040 Trader Joe's I wouldn't even know if people was like, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.680 you know, that's if she came up to me it 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.640 was like, hey, I'm Anita. I would not be like, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:45.640 oh Baker, no lovely, and I wouldn't be like, I 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.920 met this lovely woman named Anita who told me, who 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.040 told me She's doing a show tonight some sort of 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.200 lounge singer but yeah, I mean I would be like, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:03.280 maybe she saw my comedy. I met this lady named Anita. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:10.119 She's a big fan of man. But that's to your point. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.800 That is a crazy thing, right that, Like you have 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.240 spent your entire life as a black woman, living around 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.840 black people, experiencing black things, and then suddenly you expressed 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.280 to a person who you are intimate with, who you 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.760 you share everything with, this vulnerability in some sense, and 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.000 then they go everything you've stood for up to this 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.959 point has lost a level of value. That's crazy. Wait, wait, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.600 see lengthening. Even if you see how five minutes ago 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.600 you was like, there's no way I could. Yeah, but 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.120 then your reaction, the way it's like you had. Your 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:53.960 reaction wasn't listen. I again, I'm not taking it away, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.800 but I did WinCE. There was a There was just 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.520 like a slight twin you know what I mean, just 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.840 a little tink at the sound of not knowing any 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:07.600 Anita Baker. I can't tell you one apologize, that's come on, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.600 don't if you sing it, maybe I like, but you're 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.160 saying that I have like you like it, Like you 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.400 know if you said to me right now. Beyonce single ladies. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.440 I would be able to say, oh, my single ladies, right, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.800 or if you said, I don't know, Michael Jackson, remember 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.480 the time, I would be able to be like you, 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.440 what was the title you? I can't even remember the title. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.160 You just said it and listen. I'm not gonna force 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.200 it down your throat. I understand. I am saying, maybe 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.040 you know when you get on you cause right just 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.920 that I apologize. It's a great song by Anita Baker, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.120 and she likes us streaming her music. Now again she 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.640 was That's what I was gonna say. I'm gonna say, 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.000 but I know at one point she didn't want a 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.560 body stream of music. But that's because I listened to 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.280 the news and I listened to like things that I 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.440 want to know, like I listened to like lawyers a lot, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.960 and sometimes you know, you know, like oh here if 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:03.800 this Anita woman again, I will say, if you're aware 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.640 of the fact that you're not supposed to be streaming 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.000 Anita Baker's music, or you weren't supposed to be, then 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.880 you're still supporting black women and that's nice. You're still 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.920 doing the right business, even if your boyfriend is taking 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:19.240 the card away for ex boyfriend. All right, well does 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.400 here at the podcast? Okay, so you you do see 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.440 a level of craziness in the way that we sort 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.040 of like handle these things. Let me ask this, Have 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.120 you ever been on the side of taking or at 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.520 least uh wanting to take someone's black card away from them, 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.080 or or or demanding that someone should lose their back 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.000 black card because of their behavior. Yes, but only in jest. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.360 I think that it's actually crazy, like in the ludicrous way, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.040 like what's happening when someone is really adamant, like when 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.760 they're really sire, you know, like when it almost when 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.520 it almost becomes like bullying up, you know, when it's 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.320 like that, then I'm like, well, why don't you do 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.560 like like the reaction you had to me about Anita Baker. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.720 If if anybody was born in like the mid to 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.880 late eight the eighties, nineties, it's like it maybe like 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.840 early two thousands, if you have before the new Coming 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.320 to America came out, if you hadn't seen coming to America, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:26.400 because that is such a staple in my my upbringing, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.400 I might be like, you ain't seen coming to America. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.199 Five heart beats. But you know, like all of these 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.920 things that were like, this is the reason why we 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.160 went to the movies when I was younger. You know, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.600 if you haven't experienced that, then I'm gonna be like, 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.000 oh girl, we might need to take your black card. Right. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.800 I was like this five art Beats, I'll be vulnerable 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.000 with you never seen it, never even never went that 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.040 down that train. So here, So now here's another level 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.760 of a black card. Right. They might not take that. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.959 They might not take your black card. But then here 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.360 is to follow up question, do you have any desire 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.520 to see it? I'll say this, I have always had 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.160 a desire to see it, but I've also always felt 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.640 a weird then diagram existed between what I knew of 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:18.400 it and the Temptations movie, just with having Leon and 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:19.959 but you know what I mean, like it, it had 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.560 enough of a vent diagram where it's like, now I 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.840 get it, I know what the funk this is, and 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.840 I never ventured beyond that instinct. Yeah, yeah, Well you 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.160 know why they made the Temptations movie, I don't tell me. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.319 Because Five Heartbeats was so good. Everybody thought Five Heartbeats 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.600 was a real group. Five five heart Beats was based 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.080 on not one specific specific group, but an amalgamation of 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.720 those types of groups, and Robert Townsend felt like nobody's 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.160 telling the stories of the of these you know, soul 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.280 R and B soul groups, and so he told a 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.600 fictionalized version of of a collection of them and got 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.320 this one group to do like vocals and everything, and 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.400 it became such a hit after the box. So it's 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:11.080 like a black culture classic. Right, Look how you're doing. Well, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:19.920 I'm behavior. I had none of that. You got all 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:26.800 closer to the microphone black culture classical. Come on, Relax, Relax? 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:34.040 Is somebody cue? But it was so popular they was 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.240 like v H one was like, well, we should probably 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.280 make a Temptations And I do think you're absolutely right 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.000 with the vin diagram. I do think that there is 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.240 something weird, like if you are a huge fan of 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.200 the of the Five parties, you watch the Temptation movie 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.679 and you and you enjoy it, but you don't love 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.199 it the way you you don't love it, you know what. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.360 I'll say that in my ignorance, I always presumed that 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.240 the Tempting Asians movie came first, and so for me 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.960 it just looked like Robert town was in like did 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.360 his own Temptations movie and I'm good, like, I'll see 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.960 it if I see it, but I'm never gonna like 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.120 hunt this down. But now that I know, I'm gonna 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.280 put a little more effort into it, you should go 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.360 see if this is not a podcast about me telling 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.440 you what to see, but because even the making, even 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.960 the making of it, but see this is this. You 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.320 see this intensity that I have, I'm I'm gonna follow 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.240 it up with like, so now you don't have a 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.600 black car, but that's what dropped. That's the passion behind 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.000 why black Why a black person would revoke someone else's 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:43.000 black car. But it's a genuine passion. It just gets 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.640 a little bit crazy. I agree. I think it's And 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.760 you made a point as you were sort of going 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:54.200 through a lot of this about the generational quality that 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.760 exists in this right that like coming to America, for example, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.880 is such a staple in in my black life, your 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.840 black life, a lot of black lives. But if I 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.680 talk to somebody that's younger than us, that that sort 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.440 of is worn in the ax and like very much 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.520 a person of like this new generation, they might not 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.160 value coming to America in the same way. And so 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.240 for us to then go you ain't black, I think 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.400 creates like a weird sort of like you know, bumping 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.600 bumping against each other, because like, how the funk would 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.120 they know? They ain't. They weren't around for Eddie Murphy 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.160 when he was really Eddie Murphy. They got Eddie Murphy 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.560 when he was putting on like Reykae hats and playing 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.160 guitar m m. And they may have seen coming to 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.480 America too, that might be their first introduction to it. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:47.480 And you know, I'm gonna I worked with Amazon at 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.960 this point, so I'm going to you know, but you know, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:57.760 it's it's it ain't what you want to start win. No. Hey, hey, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.240 we're all out here doing our best. But but it ain't. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:05.040 It ain't the original. And I think yes, but there's 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:11.400 also like there's this other side of being a black identity, right, 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.920 that is so serious, right, that thing where there's so 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.440 much um is ms attached to being black, and there's 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:26.400 so much trauma attached to black identity in the appearance 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:32.120 of blackness, right, And so to then disqualify somebody who 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:37.920 may be dealing with the real ramifications of being a 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.200 black person in America but also in this world dealing 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.000 with that to then say well, you don't speak a 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.840 certain way or you don't have you haven't had the 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.080 same experiences of me. You're not tapped into the culture 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.520 in the same way that I am. And so therefore, no, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.120 you're not black. That's a really toxic conversation. Yeah, and 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.320 I do think that is where are some of this 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.240 sort of like gets into a very sticky trap, right, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.560 is is you are isolating people from a community that 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.359 they very much identify with, largely in that they cannot 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.399 unidentify with it, right, Like you can't stop being black 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.320 in America. Even the most like the people who we 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.159 labeled the coneyest combs, you know what I mean, like 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:28.560 are still in some ways like they're black. They have 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.000 to be there. It is inescapable for them. And so 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.239 to then be like, yo, you can't kick it with us, 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.320 like they don't stop existing, They're they're just now feeling 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.040 isolated and also you know, dealing with whatever, like you said, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.840 the ramifications of of trauma and the white man's trickery 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.239 on on the other side of it. Yeah. Yeah, let 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.000 me ask you this last question before before we go 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.679 to break, because I'm enjoying where this side of the 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.280 train is going. Do you feel like then there are 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:04.719 people who I guess would celebrate the idea of the 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.639 black card being revoked. Like if you look at a 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.080 Candice Owens, for example, like is she is she cheering 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.680 at the idea of her her you know, black card 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.159 being taken away from her losing her black herd is 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.240 a Terry Crews pumping his arms and being like, fun, yeah, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.359 take it away. I don't need that ship or is 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.600 this Is it more complicated than that? I think it's 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.679 definitely more complicated, more nuanced than that. I think that 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.639 you would find somebody like Terry Crews maybe saying something 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.159 like that in jest. I think that a Candice Owens 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.960 doesn't have the humor capacity to you know, like we'd 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.560 be like I don't need you know, like, thank god, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.520 you guys took my black That's that was the last 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.840 thing I was holding onto you, you know, thank you 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.440 for you know. But I do think that there are 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:55.560 people that exists that are black that might take on 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.640 the pride of not being identified as black. And this 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.360 is not this is not so much a visual thing, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.520 but it's a behavioral thing, you know, in a social 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.359 status thing. But they wouldn't do it in front of 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:16.199 other black people. Oh you know, that's like something that 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.720 you say, are you watching bel Air? Am I personally? Yeah? 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.240 You cann't pressure on me. You represent Amazon, I represent Pico. Yeah. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.600 I love Bell my favorite show. Can't get enough of it. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.560 M m mmmm give me that, Will Smith boy, Well, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.040 since you know you you know that scene, that scene 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.399 that you know, oh so well, you know I know it, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.280 But go ahead and describe it anyway for our listeners. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.600 Not the character Carlton, that the new vision of Carlton. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.919 He's in the locker room with his prep school buddies, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.639 and if they're all white guys and they're singing a 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.000 rap song and the white guy you're saying like and 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.800 word and word and word and word, you know, and 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.960 that type of I could see that sort of character 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:10.720 feeling like in that space, it's okay because nobody knows, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.280 but the moment Wills character is now in a space. 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:20.000 Now there's conflict because there's a witness to this. There's 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.639 somebody else that's opposing that. Do you get what I'm saying. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.360 I think it's it's interesting because you're suggesting that there 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:32.520 is so much of our black identity is related around 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:37.640 community that like, without the community, what is blackness? Right, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.320 it is something that we can easily, theoretically at least 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.080 abandon were it not for a bunch of white people 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:48.359 being you know, ridiculous, violent and angry towards us. But like, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.359 we could abandoned the blackness if it weren't for the 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.280 fact that other black people are nearby, and then we 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.159 gotta be like, Ship, I gotta be I gotta be 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.520 black all the time and with with this other person. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.439 And so it becomes a bit of a catch twenty 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.000 two in a way, right, because it's like that is 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.120 both beautiful because then that's how we connect to each other, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.800 that's how we relate, that's how we identify. But then 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.919 it also seems hindering where it's like, oh funk, I 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:19.080 gotta I gotta perform as a community member at all 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.840 as all times, at all times instead of as a 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:27.160 singular person. M h oh, Ship, this is heavy before break. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.439 You know, we trying to go to break on some 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.720 last lines and Ship and you're like, no, I'm about 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.280 to hit you with some wisdom, motherfucker. Well here here's 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.399 a joke I was trying to tell you know what 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.160 They're trying to get Ellen up out of here, right, 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.520 And I'm like, no, I was. I was like that 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.240 Ellen can't leave before I dance on her show, right, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.280 And I'm like and I'm like, but but I've been practicing. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.359 I've been practicing my Ellen dance because I gotta dance 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.879 well enough so black people know that I can dance, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.240 but not too good where they like, look at her 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.760 doing too much for the white but for the white lady. 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:04.440 I'm saying, yeah, I feel like that was even deeper. 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:05.960 But I made you laugh. You go to commercial, No, 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.520 I'll decide when we go to commercial, I'll dare you. 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:13.920 But I will say that's that's a good fucking point, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.320 because there is. It's a sticky situation because you go 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.400 out there and you do too many moves that look 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.880 like you're rehearsing, Like look at this naked tap dance 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.640 for the White Devil, and it's like, no, you gotta 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:27.280 just stay in your pocket, you know what I mean. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.399 But all right, well, we're gonna get you on Ellen 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.080 with this episode. In fact, we're gonna take a break. 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.000 We'll be back with More's they napped Johnson and More. 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:51.440 My mama told me and we are you have your passport? 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.720 Did you get your shocks? Girl? Would you like to 0:22:55.840 --> 0:23:06.560 come back with Rob to a brandit com? Yeah, we're 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:11.080 back here more. My mama told me, I heard Kelly 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.359 and so long, and I like to throw him in 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.000 every once in a while and see what it does 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.719 for I heard our Kelly is And what's crazy is 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:23.560 I'm like, oh, I noticed, Oh but I ain't supposed right. Also, 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.760 it's literally the most predatory thing he's ever done, at 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.639 least in a public space, of begging a bunch of 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:33.359 foreign women to come back and get their get their 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.000 shots first, obviously, and then come back to America to 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:40.160 be his captive. And this was during he was already 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:44.120 he was like on probation. My man did not give up. 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:46.320 I don't on bail, he would say. He was like, 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.520 I don't, Yeah, I gotta, I'm gonna do me. He's like, no, 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.320 I can still get a captive you this, this can 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.440 still work. Let me let me dig into this research 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.560 with you, because I I like I said, because the 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.040 black card itself is more of a euphemism than it 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.920 is a real thing. There is no actual black hearted obviously, 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.119 is a topic that lives more in theory than hard facts, 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.439 but there is. It got me sort of thinking about 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.840 like the idea of revoking a black card, right, And 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:19.320 I found the Chicago Tribune article that explored this author's 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.520 complicated relationship with their black card, or at least with 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.640 the way that the black card is sort of treated 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.199 out in society. And one of the things that they 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.080