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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My

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Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, a podcast where we died deep, deep

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Speaker 1: pleasure to be back with you. We've taken quite a

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Speaker 1: Instead of saying, oh you ain't you ain't seen this

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00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: thing that I've seen, You ain't have the same. Instead

425
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: of saying that, we say, run me a black card.

426
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: We make everything so cool. But then if you actually

427
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: think about it, and this is gonna I'm getting real

428
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: hole teppy now you know, if you if you if

429
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: you think about doctors, they nap for the listeners at homes.

430
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: They just pulls out an on and uh then go ahead.

431
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: She literally intense. Uh. You know, when you think about

432
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: like actual credit and currency, Right, what's the highest level

433
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: of credit you can have when people feel really really

434
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: on they it's a black card, right, was hired in

435
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: a platinum car was hired in a gold card. It's

436
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: a black card. And the fact that we use that

437
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: you from, you know, we use that term in a

438
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: very different way. It's still a certain they're still we're

439
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: still putting a there's a certain like hierarchy to you know,

440
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm a white car sounds whack, right, We're we are beautifying, Yeah,

441
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: every part of our our language, our communication. Even as

442
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: we are taking something away from one of our peers,

443
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: it is still taking a It's taken the best of

444
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: the best away from them, not just some bullshit to

445
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: your point, which a white card would be like I

446
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't want that in the first place. And

447
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: ultimately it's it's celebratory, right, because when you are quote

448
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: unquote taking somebody's black card, you're not taking it because

449
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: you're not like, oh you ain't kill five nigga's give

450
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: right there, nobody saying that. It's like, hold on, there

451
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: are these things and our exist in our history that

452
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: we we have to, that we want to and that

453
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: we always hope will be celebrated. And so the only

454
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: reason why we're saying we're taking your black card is

455
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: because if you don't know these things, if you haven't

456
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: experienced these things, and that means at some point in

457
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: this history it will stop, and we don't want it

458
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: to stop. And so really it's it's it's celebratory. And

459
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we have been like the

460
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: people who have found a way in all of the

461
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: strife and all of the hardship, we found a way

462
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: to celebrate everything, you know, And so I think in

463
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: essence what that person in that article is saying, we're like,

464
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: it's unfair we don't have a white card. It's like, yeah,

465
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: and all the ship that y'all have, all the privilege

466
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: that the quote unquote privilege that that people say that

467
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: a certain group of people have. Y'all don't be celebrating, right, Yeah,

468
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: you're white parties. They don't even play music. They just

469
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: sort of standing around and check with each other. Listen,

470
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: even when you said white party, I thought about a

471
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: whole bunch of black people were white. No, But I

472
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: think to your point, it's it's we don't always have

473
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot. We're not always sitting on like fucking gold

474
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: in terms of the resources that we are allotted. But

475
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: we are sort of finding ourselves in positions where we're

476
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: creating fun and interesting games and all kinds of cool

477
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: ship inside of that, and that, I think, to your point,

478
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: is frustrating for an outsider looking in who goes, well,

479
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: we took everything from them, Why are these niggas still giggling?

480
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Like why the funk are they still finding ways to

481
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: have fun inside of that? And that's frustrating. I imagine

482
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: if you if you wish that we were dead and gone,

483
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: I guess mm hmmmmmm. I just you know, like just

484
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: on a just on a person to person level. I rarely,

485
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, Lenggsten, with all of our

486
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: ambitions and goals and and sometimes you find yourself, especially

487
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: in this business, you find yourself, you know, looking at

488
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: your peers sometimes who may be moving at a different

489
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: pace than you, and you may be like, dang, I

490
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: wanted that thing too, you know, and why did they

491
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: get this thing or get this opportunity? And I didn't

492
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: be outside of that. I rarely. I ain't never really

493
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: looking across my neighbor's lawn like what they over there doing? Right?

494
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: So concept of a person doing that, but then like

495
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: an entire like race of people doing like what they

496
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: over there doing? And why can't they look like that?

497
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Why can't we do it? That's like crazy to me? Sure, No,

498
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: it's I think it is. It's I've never once to

499
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: your point I literally I don't even know what the

500
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: ladies who live across the street look like. Like, I'm

501
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: just mind my fucking business to some extent. And the

502
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: idea that people who are not your neighbors, who are truly,

503
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: truly just people existing out in the world, are causing

504
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: that much of a distraction to you that you feel

505
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: like you need to police the way that they speak

506
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: to each other, the way that they they are communicating

507
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: inside of a smaller world, is fucking nuts. There's no

508
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: other explanation for it. But we we gotta help. I mean,

509
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is our plight,

510
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: and like we're gonna we just gotta help. We gotta

511
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: help white people. We gotta get white people some cool ship.

512
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: We gotta find out what they white card, you know

513
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We gotta get them a white card.

514
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: We gotta get them, we gotta get them some white

515
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: culture so that they got that, you know what I'm saying,

516
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: So they But here's the thing, we wouldn't care, Like

517
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I swear if I heard two white women like what,

518
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: you don't know who paris help in it? Yeah, give

519
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: sorry for the impression. I don't know why I have Okay,

520
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: you don't know who Paris Hill it is. Give me

521
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: your white card, girl, I would not care. I would yo,

522
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: it would give me such a good bit. I would

523
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: crack up laugh. I would be like, oh, you know, yeah,

524
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: I want I want to who else they got to

525
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: know about it. We gotta give them a word, They

526
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: gotta give them stuff so that they also feel like

527
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: we got this cool thing. Yeah. No, I think that's

528
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: that's a very beautiful way to look at their insanity.

529
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, y'all could have it too, if you

530
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: would just stop focusing on us. You truly, and we

531
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: don't even have the power to police you most of

532
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: the time. Like even you know, I have frustrating conversations

533
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: with with our white peers and in sort of the

534
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: comedy industry where they go like, you know, everybody wants

535
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: diversity now, and I feel like I'm not. I'm being

536
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: overlooked or I'm not getting the opportunities into slight bro.

537
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's fucking true. And even if it is,

538
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: like there's still so many pockets that we haven't made

539
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: it into, Like even if the threshold is starting to

540
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: bleed towards wanting black and brown voices mixed into the

541
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: whole thing. There's a bunch of ship that just still

542
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: is wholly, totally white that you can thrive in and

543
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: will not reject you in any way, shape or form.

544
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: So like, go do your thing, Go have fun in

545
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: your little white space, if that's that much of a

546
00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: concern for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was just

547
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was thinking like also then

548
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: be you know, for so long and and and you know,

549
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: I really want to hear what else you found or

550
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: what another research you found. But it's like, for so long,

551
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, a certain group of people were able to

552
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: be average or not even you know, and it's like,

553
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: so now in order for you to not be overlooked,

554
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: you have to be a bit more than it. And

555
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: so work on that. That's not actually not my fault,

556
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not that's not

557
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: our fault. But now you have work to do because

558
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: now you can't just show up. You actually have to

559
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: show up and stand out. Yeah, this this really shifted

560
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: from nineteen fifties NBA to nineteen you know, NBA. You

561
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: gotta let's play some ball, you know what I mean?

562
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: At gonna cut it and even still not really you

563
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I it's very rare. There's still

564
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: there's there's so many billboards that are like not like

565
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: like we're doing you a favor, We're being severely empathetic

566
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: and kind and patient having this conversation. Why am I

567
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: being overlooked? Or I wish, well, we don't have a

568
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: white car that that shows our compassion. But it's like, yeah, yeah,

569
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: we shouldn't. We shouldn't even have to entertain this, you know.

570
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: So this is what it got me thinking about because

571
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: as I was reading through this article, he's sort of

572
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: this author was making a bunch of points about how

573
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: the Black Heart itself is not in fact racist, and

574
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: so much of it is just a sort of like

575
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: response that comes out of, you know, exactly to what

576
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: your point, the insanity of white people wanting to modify

577
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: and take control of black voices, black perspectives, all of

578
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: that ship. But one of the things that I got

579
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: to thinking about it, and and I'd love to hear your

580
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: thoughts on, is a fear that I've I've been feeling

581
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: for a while that maybe we of them too much

582
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: of our ship. Do you know what I mean? That like,

583
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: sometimes I worry that, especially because of the Internet, we're

584
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: making so many of our black cardship available for their

585
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: entertainment that when they take it, we're always baffled and like,

586
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: how the why would you? How could you, Kim Kardashian

587
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: do the things that we do in our spaces, And

588
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but we told the bitch everything we

589
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: do and a goofy motherfucker like that is gonna naturally

590
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: do it. And I'd love to hear where you stand

591
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: in all of that. Do you feel like we're giving

592
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: too much away? Or is that me shaming ourselves for Yeah,

593
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's blaming the victim. I

594
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: think we're just living. The young black girl that does

595
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: a dance on TikTok, she just did a dance that day.

596
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: She fucking heard a song, she was inspired, and she's

597
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: so gifted that she came up with a fucking dance.

598
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: They got millions of youths and then a bunch of

599
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: other people do it, So it's not we have to

600
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: blame the Ellens of the world who then grabbed the

601
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: white kid that co ops that dance and puts them

602
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: on the global stage. That's not that that that little

603
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: girl was just living her life and utilizing a tool

604
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: put in place for her to live her life. That's it.

605
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so what so

606
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: so so what I'm what am I supposed to do?

607
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: Not wear corn rows for fear that the that the

608
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: Kardashian is going to where the corn Like? Do you

609
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying? Like, Oh, we're actually doing is

610
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: living our lives and in living our lives more and

611
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: more so boldly and unapologetically, which I think is absolutely beautiful,

612
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: you know, And I think I but but I mean

613
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: it goes back to people that ain't nobody give up rock,

614
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Nobody give that up. People was playing their hearts their

615
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: souls there. Do you get what I'm saying that it

616
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: is not It is not simply that we, uh we

617
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: handed it over politely to the people who commodified it.

618
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: They simply they took advantage of a situation. They stole

619
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: the rights to this type of music or to the

620
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: songs themselves, and because they were in charge of the radios,

621
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: they were in charge of all the other things, it

622
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: became theirs. We didn't hand it over, and I hear

623
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people exactly. I hear a lot of

624
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: people say with with I'll just say protesting like in

625
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: this country and around the World's like, well, if we

626
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: just stop, you know what I'm saying, if we stopped,

627
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: as you say, giving, if we stop spending money, if

628
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: we stopped, yeah, sure that sounds good. But what are

629
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: we supposed to just stop living our lives? Like you

630
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: want us to come to a complete stop. And I'm

631
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: not saying I know somebody is probably listening, like no,

632
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: no, no no, it's not stop spending your money. It's spending

633
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: your money in black were black places. It's like that, Yeah,

634
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: that's that's Do you think I don't want to spend

635
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: my money in black places? Right? But when I just

636
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: need some freaking toilet paper because I just ain't. It

637
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: ain't no black toilet paper when a seven eleven and

638
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: it ain't no black toilet paper? And Target? Yeah, do

639
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying? So you you gotta stop.

640
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: So it's it's like you it's like really asking us

641
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: a person who is really just as people were just

642
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: and this shouldn't be blamed like a naively in the

643
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: pursuit of happiness. Yeah, no, I think that's fair. And

644
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I will say I feel that fear that I expressed

645
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: to you, but then I feel all the things that

646
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: you're saying along with it, right, is that people shouldn't

647
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: have to to sort of like squash their goals or

648
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: their lives or keep secrets from you know, the outside world.

649
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Young people shouldn't have young Black people shouldn't have to

650
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: avoid the internet at the cost that like they're giving

651
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: away a part of our culture. And so it really

652
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: is more a question of like why is it that

653
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: there's this incessant need to either control or or at

654
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: least take it exists in this white community more than

655
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: it is being like black people, shut the funk up.

656
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: That's just hot. I was I was on this on

657
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: panel recently and they were talking about like black voices

658
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: and more specifically black female voices, and like, so how

659
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: do we continue to you know, push these stories and something.

660
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know this, this is probably like a

661
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: really idealistic answer, but it's actually like a human kind

662
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: issue because like I don't need to be a kid

663
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: to watch a kid's story. I don't need to be

664
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: a man to watch a story. But you know what

665
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't need to be white to understand

666
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: white people in their stories. And so you shouldn't have

667
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: to be a woman to want to see women. You

668
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be Black or Spanish or ending and

669
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: or Asian to want to see those stories. And if

670
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: you are, you're the problem. Whoa they NAB's hot, y'all?

671
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: She mad, she came on very, she came on very bois,

672
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: her bun is undone. Now her air is everywhere, you know,

673
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know quite how to fix

674
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: an issue that I feel like starts in like the soul. Well,

675
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that is the challenge that we're

676
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: facing now, and it's sort of the frustrating one that

677
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: that I at least feel sometimes in in these there's

678
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: this instinct now where white people say some crazy shit

679
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: and we shame them, we we tweet at them, we

680
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: go how you you should know, mr Man, that actually

681
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: this was started by a black person, and shame on

682
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: you for not knowing that. And it's like, I don't

683
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: know that that's fixing anything anymore. And that's part of

684
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: what I mean about life, the giving, and maybe it's

685
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: more of a giving of our own spirit because the

686
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: reality is is that their souls are so broken in

687
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that there's yeah, I think they're finking.

688
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm laughing at both of us, like God days,

689
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: but for us to know and work with so many

690
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: white people, But no, I think there's such a brokenness

691
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: in the way that that as a mass their culture

692
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: moves that you shame me. It's not like you say

693
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: that ship and they go, oh ship, My bad. I

694
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: didn't realize I've learned something today. And maybe that's a

695
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: natural human instinct, right, like we're not always quick to

696
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: to acknowledge our weakness. That's the very animal thing that

697
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: exists inside of us. But I do genuinely think we've

698
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: reached the point where we have to stop negotiating with

699
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: with qualities that we know are they they know, they're

700
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: not dumb, They're fully aware. They just don't like us, bro,

701
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: And you tweeting at them ain't gonna make make them cooler,

702
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: you know. M hmm. Let me ask you this though,

703
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: and this is just this is a little aside. Have

704
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: you ever seen like a white person make a mistake

705
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: and then a black person call them out and you'd

706
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: be like, damn, I didn't know that either. All the time. Now,

707
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: what black person, did you know? I would have lost

708
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: I would have lost my black card, but then white

709
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: person just got down. Yeah it's crazy, brother, any who, Uh, yeah, No,

710
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. And so it's one of

711
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: those things that I think, I think we all have

712
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to just be humans inside of some

713
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: of this ship and be honest that, like if a

714
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: person corrects you, a person corrects you, it isn't always racial,

715
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: It isn't always rooted in some like indignity to to

716
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: another person's like culture. It truly might just be you

717
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: got some ship wrong. And if you can un undo

718
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: the part of you that goes like why is this

719
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: white man saying this to me or this black lady

720
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: talking to me this way, we might be able to

721
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: just reach a point where we go. My bad dog

722
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: truly had no idea. My card stays intact, Everything is,

723
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: Everything is as it should be in terms of who

724
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: I am. Because we're we're a little more tolerant of

725
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: each other. Mm hmm. Let me ask you this last

726
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: question before we go to break. I'm curious to know

727
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: because one of the things that this article sort of

728
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: addresses is this massive wave of of sort of like

729
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: young black people especially, but I think it's black people

730
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: of all kinds who sort of are are constantly pushing

731
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: Blackness is not a monolith, right that there is no

732
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: singular black experience. Yeah, our experience. It's all the people

733
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: that are like why why is a black man who

734
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I have to vote for Democrats? The Democrats ain't done

735
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: shipped for me? Like where do you think they fall

736
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: in the world of losing black cards? Is a person

737
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: who who sort of takes the position that like, yo,

738
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to align with all of these these

739
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: things suddenly less black or is that more complicated as well?

740
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: That's definitely more complicated, And I don't think I mean,

741
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: I definitely don't. And in terms of like, um, the

742
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: black card, I think that they're like culturally prevalent things,

743
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: but not not so much political things like if somebody

744
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: is like yeah, if somebody is like well why especially

745
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: if they're especially if they worded in question form, you know,

746
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: then I'm not gonna be like, oh you ain't. You

747
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: ain't vote abiding man, you you're losing your black card.

748
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: Like I think that, I mean that that might be

749
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: the most idiotic things. Sure you know, and and it's

750
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: it's actually more insulting when because it just hit me

751
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: thinking about that statement. When a white person kind of

752
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: tells you that you're not black, enow, you're losing your

753
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, like if you don't vote for me, then

754
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: you're not black. It's like, that's the same as saying

755
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: that work, you said something, you said something in the

756
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: community that you ain't a part of, You don't got

757
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: you can't even determine that, you know. But I think

758
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: that a quote unquote cultural staple is different than a

759
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: hard conversation, even if it's a conversation of discourse in

760
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: an attempt to, I don't know, find a solution a

761
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: group of people. I don't think that I don't think

762
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: that a black card plays in I think that's a

763
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: healthy way to approach it. Yeah, I think it's a

764
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: dangerous game when we start getting into political conversations and

765
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: sort of like these grander, existential even conversations. But to

766
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: your point, if we're talking about like, yo, you ain't

767
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: you don't you know, do this with your grits? All right,

768
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a conversation where we can remain silly and

769
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: casual inside of it and still be healthy communicators on

770
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: the other side of it. Yeah, Like, I have the

771
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: same response if a person is black or white. If

772
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: somebody is like, um, they voted for I don't care

773
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: what you look like. If today you're like, no, I'm

774
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: fucked or world war I'm gonna have the same sort

775
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: of response. That's not a that's not a black or

776
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's not like I'm not

777
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh man, you want to you want

778
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: them to go to war? You ain't black. I'm gonna

779
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: have I don't care what what your gender is, what

780
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: your ethnic makeup is. I'm gonna have the same response. Yeah,

781
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: this ain't a racial conversation no more. You're a nut,

782
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: and I would like you to stop behaving the way

783
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: you're behaving. But I think that there are certain things

784
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: that are in that same demo that I named eighties, nineties,

785
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: early two thousand's that they experience it's in a very

786
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: like white way that I didn't experience, and that and

787
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: and that would be okay. If they were like shocked

788
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: that I didn't except, that would be okay. And if

789
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: amongst their peers, like if white people sat at the table,

790
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: and we're like, you didn't see signs felt right? I would,

791
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: I would understand that. Yeah, yeah, And I think they

792
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: do shame each other for that. And maybe point they

793
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: can start adding cards to this ship, like take some

794
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: cards away, let's see. Let's I think this is the

795
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: grander point that I think I'm getting from all of this.

796
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: We need to create more hierarchy in the white community.

797
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: You all have been living sort of at this like, uh,

798
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: this shared white experience without acknowledging anything for too long.

799
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see some some kings and some queens

800
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: rise up. I'm trying to see some poppers fall down.

801
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's start a white world war, is what I'm saying.

802
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: Let's I ain't even I won't be there, I won't

803
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: tune in. I won't. It's like what they what they do.

804
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: It's just like my neighbor across the street. I don't

805
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: know what they're doing over there, and I don't care

806
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: to know. They ain't none my business. All right, We're

807
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: gonna take one more break. We'll be back when more's

808
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: at Johnson More my mama told me, and we are.

809
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody got time for that. Yeah, we're back here

810
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: when Moore's they nab Johnson more. My mama told me,

811
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: we're still talking about the possibility that a black card

812
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: can be lost, taken away, revoked, as the the Classic

813
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: Card Games suggests. Okay, this is exciting for me because

814
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: as I was looking through research and trying to unpack

815
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: the possibility of sort of exploring this conversation with you,

816
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that I found is a a

817
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: running list on ironically buzz Feed of all places, you know,

818
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: the place where all black people go for their for

819
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: their news and information. But buzz Feed had a list

820
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: of things that they believe or at least a a

821
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: Twitter conversation started that might represent the revocation of someone's

822
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: black card. They're taking away of someone's black card. And

823
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: I'd just like to run through some of this list

824
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: with you and see where you fall in terms of

825
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: number one, whether or not you this would in fact

826
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: take your black card away, But number two, whether or

827
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: not you think that these are important enough to be

828
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: deciding the worth of someone's blackness. Okay, all right. The

829
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: first one, and this was originally this entire sort of

830
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: like train was started by this dude, Chris Evans, not

831
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: Captain America on Twitter. But he said, don't revoke my

832
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: black card. But I've never seen the whiz black hard.

833
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: He's got his. He's losing his black card immediately. Only

834
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: for that. That's the thing that's the beauty about the

835
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: black card. It's like two seconds later they you take it.

836
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, you get it back, okay.

837
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: You know it's like we got multiple black cards because

838
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: it's like lengths and if you took my black card,

839
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: then I could go and sit down with another black

840
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: person and it's like they don't even know you got

841
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: my black it's reinstated. That's a nice You're right, it's

842
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: a very nice thing of I can go, I can

843
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: go spend time with a different group of individuals and

844
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: they're like this the blackest black andy motherfucker I ever

845
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: met in my life. And you're like, yeah, I'm back, baby,

846
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I got I got nine black cards that

847
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: are being held from me right now. But I got

848
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: thirty two black cards over here. So now a couple

849
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: of these places I can't go back to. They got

850
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: my picture on the wall, they say I can't come

851
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: back in. But everywhere else I'm good. I'm still black.

852
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm good exactly, but I don't think the wind. I

853
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: would never say that the not seeing the whids makes

854
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: you not black. Maybe you don't like musicals. That's a

855
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: good that's a good response, because but now I am

856
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real honest with you, like saying I

857
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: might give a black person a side eye if they like,

858
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't funk with the wids. But oh that that

859
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: that wizard of Oz. That that Wizard of Oz. Don't

860
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: that that's my ship? I don't wid. Then then I'm

861
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna be like, yeah, because now you're adding a layer

862
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: to this ship that didn't exist before. Hold On, it's

863
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: the same story. Hold on and the songs say different

864
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: in the wind. You're making a hard choice there. Okay,

865
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: this was This was another one that came up. It

866
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: was not knowing how to play spades? Where do you

867
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: fall in the spades conversation? And of at all. I

868
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: do understand that people I take spades very seriously, but

869
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take somebody's black card because I wouldn't expect

870
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: to lose my black card because I didn't know how

871
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: to play spades. Because I also think spades is a

872
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: very regional thing. I agree, because there's card games that

873
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: people from the South say, I have never heard of

874
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: them in my life. I've never heard of these card

875
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: games in my life. But it's but but that's what

876
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: they play. They don't place. But you know, so my

877
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: wife and her her grandmother and grandfather play pinuckle, and

878
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: they like fucking They used to. They go crazy with pinuckles.

879
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: They used to be in tournaments for pinnuckle. And then

880
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: one time I was like, hey, bro, just teach me

881
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: how to play pinuckle and it's the goofiest fucking game

882
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: because you gotta add extra cards to the deck and

883
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: all the ship. But they're from Maryland. So if I,

884
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, and in Maryland, some old black household, I go,

885
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how to play pinuckle, They'll be like,

886
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: get your corny asside of our house. This you ain't

887
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: playing pinuckle. What you're doing. I'm happy that you set

888
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: cards because when you said pinuckle, although I've heard that

889
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: before because I'm sure if somebody kicked me out for

890
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: not knowing how to play pinuckle, but I don't even

891
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: know when you said it, I was like, does that

892
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: involve dominoes? Like what, what are the tools of this game?

893
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: The instruments that we use for this game. I love that. Okay,

894
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: this is a this one hit me. This was very

895
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: complicated for me. This one came up where someone said,

896
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: don't revoke my black card, but I've never seen the Wire.

897
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: Well maybe they just couldn't afford HBO. See it's certain

898
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: things you have to you get what I'm saying, Like,

899
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: but but here, here's here's a funny story. I was

900
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: how sitting years ago for this white woman who lives

901
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: in Veness, her her and her husband artists, like really

902
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: really hit the artist, and I'm how sitting and as

903
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: I leave, She's like, Zana, we left the box, but

904
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: we left the season one DVD set of The Wire

905
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: if you want to check it out? What does that mean?

906
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: And I felt, I don't know, but the fact that

907
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: she was white made me made me check it out.

908
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: But I swear it was a black lady. I would

909
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: have been like, girl, I'm watching what you know? But

910
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: like that told me to watch the Wire, And oh

911
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: my god, I watched the Wire, you know, but for

912
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: some reason, I just felt like it was like the

913
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: black things she had in her house yet like that,

914
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: and you know, and so and so, I I never

915
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: watched it. But here's the thing it was funny about

916
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: some things are so in the zeitgeist at a certain time.

917
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: I've never I've seen episodes like Independent, you know, some

918
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: episodes of The Wire. I didn't watch the entire you know.

919
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: But but that's truly because I was poor, sure, and

920
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm a kid when the Wire is on.

921
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: My parents didn't have HB Like that's simply what it was.

922
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: But even more to that's like, to me, it's a

923
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: really weird thing for that to somehow question your black

924
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: card for a television show like you said on HBO,

925
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a prime network, premium network network

926
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't served the same black people for a really

927
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: long time. But then additionally is made by a white man,

928
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Like it's not like this Mother Care is like nobody's

929
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: like David Signon is down dog. That's that's that's mother

930
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: we rock with. It's just he made the thing. But

931
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I know, who string our bell is?

932
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: I still as much as I never seen it. I

933
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: know the guy never seen the episode of Power, but

934
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't for me, and I moved on. And I

935
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: don't tell people often yeah, yeah. I mean I keep

936
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: quiet too. Whenever you know I haven't, I don't. There's

937
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: very few black people that I have interacted with outside

938
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: of the world of comedy. And one of the worst

939
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: things because you know they're watching there's so many spinoffs now.

940
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: They sometimes they see you the morning after they watched

941
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: the last episode, so it's like, have you seen have

942
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: you seen Power Book? And I'll be like, I don't

943
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: even say I haven't seen it. Like I don't say no,

944
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: I don't want. I used to say I don't watch it,

945
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: but I stopped saying that because it gets a certain response.

946
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: Now I say I haven't seen it yet. On my wife,

947
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. That's actually where I'm at

948
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: him right now. I'm about it's on my It's on

949
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: my list of things to do, just not yet, but

950
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: but definitely not never, not never, not yet. You know

951
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to see? What come on? Okay, I'm

952
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with a couple more and then we're

953
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: gonna head out of here. But but this one was

954
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Hating color greens, black eyed peas, baked beans,

955
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: and yams. They listed all the foods apparently, but this

956
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: entire list of foods potentially could revoke your black card.

957
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: Where do you stand in all of that? Yeah, you

958
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: can lose you. I mean I wouldn't personally take somebody's

959
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: black card away. I would be wondering, like what your

960
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: taste buzz is like, because it's like those are pretty

961
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: good tasting, like they're different too, like you mentioned sweet

962
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: stuff and savory. Like where do you just exist on

963
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: like the scale of like food, like you like that

964
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: forget being black. It's just like I don't really want

965
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: to go out to eat with you, Like that's to me,

966
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, but I do understand with like if you're

967
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: not that's that's essentially sold food, and you're saying you

968
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: ain't rocking with all the soul food sides, then it's like, yeah,

969
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna take a black right. That's how

970
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: I felt, was like if I say all four of

971
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: these things are gross, me cool, take it away. I

972
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: don't deserve this ship. But if I'm like, yo, I'm

973
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: more of a greens some black eyed peas dude than

974
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: a yams and you know big beans dude, what that's

975
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: just preferential. Man. We all got different taste. But yeah,

976
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 1: and then you ain't even really saved yourself. You ain't

977
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: be like but I've loved sweeper tato. You know what

978
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You would have came with the positive at

979
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: the end. You just you just laid all the sides

980
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: out there. It's like you so you don't like the vestigies.

981
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: All this starts just okay, mm hmmm, I'm gonna heard

982
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: you with one more and then we are going to

983
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: get out of here. I want to find a really

984
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: good one on this list. Oh this this will do.

985
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: Not owning a bonnet to protect your hair at night,

986
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: does that get your black card taken away from you? No? Okay,

987
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: don't all right, no it doesn't because I mean lengthy.

988
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: I think you know this. I had a shape tap

989
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: for eight years. I ain't nothing and that will. Let

990
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: me just tell you I felt free. I felt for

991
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: really okay. I felt for real. I didn't think about

992
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: my head when I laid down and go to sleep.

993
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: I felt I felt for really okay. Every every shower

994
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: the water was running on the top of my head,

995
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: I felt for really okay. So no, and we all

996
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: have different like I mean, the bonnets are very useful

997
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: and and very helpful and protected for specific hair type.

998
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: But that goes back to black people not being a monolith, right,

999
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: Like we all have different hair types, and a lot

1000
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: of people think, which this is a really ignorant thought,

1001
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: that you have to be a mixed race person to

1002
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: have a particular hair type. And it's like, you know,

1003
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm the same, It's all my I'm the same as

1004
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: all my twelve other siblings. I got the most course

1005
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: hair right of the sibling. My sisters have hair that

1006
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: you would say, oh, are you Ethiopian? And said, you

1007
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like they're trying to figure it

1008
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: out because people believe that black people have one type

1009
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: of hair if they're not something other than Do you

1010
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, there's not some sort of exoticism

1011
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: attached to their blackness? Yeah? No, I have a homie

1012
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: who I asked recently just found out that he hadn't

1013
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: been perming his hair this whole time. He's like an

1014
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: older dude, and so I thought he was still doing

1015
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: like that ship that Diddy and Loon did back in

1016
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: the UH and that I Need a Girl Part two video,

1017
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like they were how they

1018
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: had like the finger wave joints. I was like, baally,

1019
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: this thing is still doing the finger waves, Ship, and

1020
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: he was like, na I just I'm just a black

1021
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: man with with softer hair than than Yeah, you know

1022
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: my counterparts and I don't. I don't know where it

1023
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: comes from, but that's just the way it's always been.

1024
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Ship, all right, cool, I'm glad

1025
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: to know you ain't doing this over your sink like

1026
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: we did in high school. Yeah, it's so it's so

1027
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: interesting too, like that last one you asked me. It's

1028
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: funny how you someone can say if you don't own

1029
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: a bonnet as a black because really they're talking to

1030
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: black women, right, It's like black guy's own bonnet. It's

1031
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 1: like if you don't own a blond, if you don't

1032
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: own a bonnet, then you lose your black card or

1033
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: you're not black. But then a black woman, comedian Monique,

1034
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: told us, why are you wearing your boy? Why I

1035
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: got to see your bonnet? You know what I'm saying.

1036
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: So there's also this there's also this opposing conversation that

1037
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: happens with it. That's the reason why the black card

1038
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: is so fun Yes, and to your point, if we

1039
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: keep it fun. This is a game worth playing. But

1040
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: if and you said this originally, if we take it seriously,

1041
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: this ship is asked because it's just a bunch of

1042
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: people yelling at you from different directions, being like you're

1043
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: not black enough, you ain't black in the right way

1044
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: that I expected. It's crazy. Yeah, damn, I think we

1045
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: did as they nap. I think we. I think what

1046
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: a wonderful episode. This was great. Could you tell the

1047
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: people at home what you have going on and where

1048
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: they can find you? First of all, y'all better catch

1049
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: me being a burger on the bus down on bus

1050
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: Down on Peacock available now. And also you guys can

1051
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: catch me. Season two of Upload premiered on Amazon March eleventh,

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Speaker 1: and so check that out. If you haven't watched season one,

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Speaker 1: check that out. And in social media most platforms, it's

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Speaker 1: zat a Johnson and in TikTok it is the Zinta

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Speaker 1: Johnson TikTok got they got you, you got beat, they

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Speaker 1: got well. Please following now, please watch Upload season two.

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Speaker 1: She's great, And yeah, watch bus Down, that'd be amazing.

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Speaker 1: Watch bust Down. She's a burger in it and she

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Speaker 1: kills the role. She screamed in a way last and

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Speaker 1: screamed in a way that I had never heard a

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Speaker 1: sound come out of her voice before, and it truly

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Speaker 1: jarred me in a in a way that I'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: Um And as always, you can follow me at Lanksteon

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Speaker 1: Kerman on all platforms I ain't on TikTok. Don't bother

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Speaker 1: and uh lasting and not least please you know, subscribe, review,

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Speaker 1: do all the bullshit you're supposed to do the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just say this at the end

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Speaker 1: because I'm supposed to, all right by subscribe My crop

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Speaker 1: chips in your qualis a racist. The whole schools money stuff,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell me