Speaker 1: We'll explain real quick, could you the difference between the
Speaker 1: polio vaccine and an mRNA vaccine, which is what we
Speaker 1: have with this. So there are a couple of different
Speaker 1: types of polio vaccines, but the traditional vaccine, the way
Speaker 1: they had done it in the past is you can
Speaker 1: take a virus, you make it like a milder version,
Speaker 1: you weaken it. Yeah, it's perfect, and you inject that
Speaker 1: weakend virus into someone. And then and then exactly, I'll
Speaker 1: put you in with David too to get you prepared
Speaker 1: for Mike Tyson. So by the time you fight Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson for real with no head gear, you're prepared for
Speaker 1: the fight. What's the world's greatest lie, Peter Um, the
Speaker 1: world's greatest lie, the world's greatest lie, ship, the world's
Speaker 1: greatest lie, Probably that you need to wear a mask
Speaker 1: while by yourself in your car on the four oh
Speaker 1: five on a Tuesday afternoon. You just just jump right
Speaker 1: to the bullshit, doc What's the greatest lie ever told?
Speaker 1: That was pretty good. I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be tough. I don't know if I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: the top. They go like put a little thing on
Speaker 1: a podcast I'm looking to get disclaimered. I want to
Speaker 1: be disclaimed to this claim. Yeah, they gonna put that
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Fact check all this ship Peter, it's
Speaker 1: saying the greatest lie ever told, ever told. All right,
Speaker 1: so I think for me, it's got to be that.
Speaker 1: It's hard to top that one. It's hard to top
Speaker 1: that Biden one. A triple disclaimer. Now, yeah, that's we're
Speaker 1: off to a great start. I think the world's greatest
Speaker 1: lie ever told is that you can have you can
Speaker 1: have it all. I think that's it. That's the world's greatest.
Speaker 1: That's actually a really good one. What do you got?
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't think i've ever thought
Speaker 1: about socialism works. Um, A lot of trees felled over
Speaker 1: that lie, Na, no greatest lie ever told. Don't cop that, Kaiser.
Speaker 1: So it was that the greatest lot of the devil
Speaker 1: ever told that he didn't exist type of stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is no seilings though, no ceilings. The
Speaker 1: greatest lives that there are ceilings, no zeiling glasses. Peter
Speaker 1: got special guests going on, Peter introducing this is the doctor.
Speaker 1: He's he's our an anonymous doctor. He's uh for for
Speaker 1: career purposes research scientists today, local, high profile institution. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna go any further than that. All the note,
Speaker 1: you get a PhD who studied the subject in real
Speaker 1: time in a labin. So that's if you know this,
Speaker 1: if you know g you know, are you gonna do
Speaker 1: too much fabricating? We just gotta protect people because they
Speaker 1: knocking people off with somebody that's true. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: the greatest live ever told that she gave a funk
Speaker 1: about you. Whoa. It's the greatest lie that keeps on
Speaker 1: getting told, that told more times than any other line
Speaker 1: wins by volume. Man, they've been a lone day dog. Um.
Speaker 1: Why okay, see now I'm thinking about it. Why do
Speaker 1: you what's the purpose in that lie though? What's the
Speaker 1: purpose in line to somebody saying, you know what, um,
Speaker 1: this virus is so contagious that you need to be
Speaker 1: on the four or five with your windows rolled up
Speaker 1: in your car wearing a mask, why till that line specifically? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that there's as far as last year. I
Speaker 1: think there's three reasons, okay, to be honest, and I
Speaker 1: think it has to do with trying to manufacture consent.
Speaker 1: So to speak to to pull as my second time
Speaker 1: today making the known chopstrap. Don't even like the guy,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a solid theory. It enables a
Speaker 1: peer pressure kind of purging of society to try to
Speaker 1: fortify AM a compliant majority. I think that's one aspect
Speaker 1: of it. I think mail in ballance is another aspect
Speaker 1: of it. And I think that there's such a giant
Speaker 1: monetary relationship between pharmaceutical industry and health care industries and
Speaker 1: government and the power of the purse, that there is
Speaker 1: an inherent you know, cash grab in that as well.
Speaker 1: I you just looked at the the the debt clock,
Speaker 1: and what was the first thing that came up in
Speaker 1: the largest slice of that pie at one point eight
Speaker 1: trillion dollars annually was Medicare. Yeah. Uh, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Why tell that, lie Dot? I think that's
Speaker 1: a good one. I think I got a simpler answer,
Speaker 1: to be honest. I think because you can right like,
Speaker 1: I think there are enough people out there who believe
Speaker 1: it and won't push back and won't think about what
Speaker 1: you're trying to push on them, what agenda you're trying
Speaker 1: to push, what's going into that, and so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think people who want to tell lies
Speaker 1: will keep pushing them until they can't get away with
Speaker 1: it any longer, and just keep pushing the envelope, keep
Speaker 1: making a move. Mm hmm. So but we're not We're
Speaker 1: not saying COVID is a lie. I think the virus
Speaker 1: is real. I think the I think the way that
Speaker 1: it was sold to the American public it's severe, pretty
Speaker 1: nick was tremendously oversold, and I think that the methodology
Speaker 1: for mitigating damage was oversold. If not playing just made up?
Speaker 1: Who is there any is there any traction to that? Doctor? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think you know, I think you're I think you're
Speaker 1: touching on something that we're kind of dancing around it. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like, what is what is true about COVID? Well,
Speaker 1: to figure that out, you gotta have the right means
Speaker 1: to know what COVID is, right, you gotta study it.
Speaker 1: You gotta study it in an objective way. I think
Speaker 1: that would happened with the virus too early was people
Speaker 1: started trying to frame it a certain way. They're trying
Speaker 1: to take bits and pieces of information that comported to
Speaker 1: what they were trying to say or their message, and
Speaker 1: they ran with it, and I think that that's a
Speaker 1: big part of it, is that what is objective and
Speaker 1: what isn't. But they kept telling us that if we
Speaker 1: didn't believe what they were saying, that we were anti
Speaker 1: science or we were rejecting or denying the science. Right.
Speaker 1: The science seemed a little sporadic, right, Well, that's it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird to me when people call it the science,
Speaker 1: right because the science, the science is not it's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be a fixed thing. Science is supposed to
Speaker 1: be an evolving thing, but it's supposed to evolve in
Speaker 1: the direction that you know, the data are showing. So
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's when people started taking a
Speaker 1: piece of the science or the evidence that supported what
Speaker 1: they wanted and that was it, and you couldn't talk
Speaker 1: about anything else. That's just fundamentally like unscientific. That isn't science.
Speaker 1: That's that's more politics, that's something else. You had some
Speaker 1: familiarity at least with the with the antibody study and
Speaker 1: an attempt early on, I thought that we were in
Speaker 1: for a wild ride when the local news like that,
Speaker 1: like there was the debt clock, we were looking that
Speaker 1: before there was a COVID death pometer that was running
Speaker 1: on the news all the time, it's a thousand, it's
Speaker 1: five thousand, and then after that it was it was
Speaker 1: similar to the wildfire burnometer that they run that they
Speaker 1: cheer until we get to a hundred thousand undre thousand acres.
Speaker 1: And then when it shifted over from the death p
Speaker 1: ometer to the case ometer, I'm like, oh, we're fucked
Speaker 1: because buying large. Statistically speaking, it wasn't you know ebola
Speaker 1: that's got this super duper high mortality rate. So when
Speaker 1: you when you change the standard metric for what it
Speaker 1: is we're dealing with, I think that really opens the
Speaker 1: door for changing everything with how you deal with it.
Speaker 1: Like what did you the case number? What? What do
Speaker 1: you think based off of like projections and some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that you've seen. How many people this cut
Speaker 1: you do you think actually taught COVID? I mean it's
Speaker 1: tough to say. One of the things about the case
Speaker 1: numbers you bring up, I think it's really interesting is
Speaker 1: um is you know what defines a real case? Right?
Speaker 1: Some people had access to testing and they were getting
Speaker 1: tested on their own. Other people maybe didn't have the
Speaker 1: same access to testing and waited until they developed symptoms
Speaker 1: or went to a hospital. So it wasn't an objective
Speaker 1: measure of who had COVID or not. It was more
Speaker 1: a measure of who was getting tested. And we can
Speaker 1: get into it or you know, talk about it later,
Speaker 1: but the whole idea of you know, what constitutes a
Speaker 1: positive test on a PCR test or something else. So
Speaker 1: you're right that it wasn't standard, and it wasn't uniform
Speaker 1: from state to state or place of place. So it's
Speaker 1: hard to say, but I know early on in the pandemic,
Speaker 1: when people were trying to model who how many people
Speaker 1: had COVID, it was definitely the case that the all
Speaker 1: of the models, all the estimates way overprojected what people
Speaker 1: had with respect two cases compared to what we were
Speaker 1: able to actually measure. And then that brings we were
Speaker 1: being told that there were a million cases when there
Speaker 1: were ten million, potentially exactly exactly exactly what which That's
Speaker 1: always been a question, Okay, so that's that's always been
Speaker 1: a question, like how much to test, When do you test?
Speaker 1: Why are you testing? Because I think that's a lot
Speaker 1: of the conversation that's not happening. Um, people feel uncomfortable
Speaker 1: not going to get tested so not being diagnosed. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you say about at that point that when
Speaker 1: they say three million people died in the United States
Speaker 1: and is the deadliest year in the United States history.
Speaker 1: Is that any point to do with COVID, Like how
Speaker 1: real and how not real it is COVID at that
Speaker 1: point when it comes to people dying, That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly the case that people died from COVID.
Speaker 1: That is, they were living their life. They had maybe
Speaker 1: other diseases going on, diabetes, high blood pressure, something, but
Speaker 1: they got COVID and COVID is what killed them, right.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of other people who maybe because
Speaker 1: of their other illnesses and other things that they were
Speaker 1: dealing with, we're on a path toward death and they
Speaker 1: just happened to have COVID. And so separating who died
Speaker 1: with COVID, that means they tested positive had the virus
Speaker 1: versus who died from COVID, that is, they would be
Speaker 1: alive had they never contracted the virus a year later
Speaker 1: that wasn't. That's a difficult thing to separate, and it's
Speaker 1: definitely the case when you look at the people who
Speaker 1: were dying, especially early on in the pandemic, A lot
Speaker 1: of them were older, a lot of them were in
Speaker 1: nursing homes, and so I think it was even harder
Speaker 1: to separate who was dying and just tested positive for
Speaker 1: COVID versus who died because they got COVID and that
Speaker 1: brought them to the hospital and ended up taking their life. Mhm.
Speaker 1: It seems in looking backwards at the circumstance that because
Speaker 1: the the CDC did kind of quietly leak some data
Speaker 1: last July, I think around the hundred and seventy thousand
Speaker 1: maybe death toll count, which they said about ninety four
Speaker 1: and a half or something like that or ninety six
Speaker 1: fight four some around ninety five for some of the
Speaker 1: people who died had co more abilities, and the average
Speaker 1: number of co more abilities among that was two point eight.
Speaker 1: So what that leads two and like practical assumption is,
Speaker 1: all right, we have a number of people who test
Speaker 1: positive for CODE, the number of people who have it
Speaker 1: that don't test is going to out outpace the number
Speaker 1: of people who false positive. Right Therefore, we're being undersold
Speaker 1: on the number of cases and we're being oversold on
Speaker 1: the number of deaths. Therefore, the fatality is being manipulated
Speaker 1: to the extreme side, not to the minimal side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, So that makes perfect sense, not to
Speaker 1: in I get what you're saying. I used to feel
Speaker 1: that way too. Initially. It's like, well, if you're not
Speaker 1: testing as many people yet you're testing people, but if
Speaker 1: you're counting depths, even though if you know it might
Speaker 1: be questionable, is this the actual cause? It does make it.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the agenda in that. Well, the
Speaker 1: immediate agenda as we saw it was it justifies a
Speaker 1: declaration of emergency, which completely opens a different chapter in
Speaker 1: the constitutionality for lawmakers. You have temporary emergency, a temporary
Speaker 1: to a declared temporary state of emergency. Then the power
Speaker 1: of government at all levels is different, and the restrictions
Speaker 1: on government at all levels are essentially you know least.
Speaker 1: So what passed that would make that make sense for
Speaker 1: that reason? You know? Okay, if if this was the
Speaker 1: goal to get this type of control, right to go
Speaker 1: into that phase of control, what laws passed? You know?
Speaker 1: Do you are you familiar with the laws that passed
Speaker 1: in that time to even yeah, I remember like laws
Speaker 1: that locked down all the small businesses in the country.
Speaker 1: You couldn't normally do that without a state of emvergency declaration.
Speaker 1: There was also probably a dozen states that unconstitutionally manipulated
Speaker 1: their election laws. You couldn't do that without a state
Speaker 1: of emvergency explanent, a state of emergency declaration. You couldn't
Speaker 1: do that with one. But because of the social pressure,
Speaker 1: the courts didn't want to fight it, so that I mean,
Speaker 1: who was one of the biggest and most entrenched entities
Speaker 1: as far as their relationship with the federal government. Amazon,
Speaker 1: Amazon not only contributes a lot, Amazon fought the Internet
Speaker 1: tax for like a decade, and then they realized, what
Speaker 1: is second, We're the only ones who can actually manage
Speaker 1: an Internet tax very effectively relative to all of our
Speaker 1: small business competitors. And then they changed and started buying
Speaker 1: senators to enforce the or to pass the Internet tacks
Speaker 1: had passed in like a week, because any of the
Speaker 1: thing was on when I could pay it? And what
Speaker 1: company made more money than Amazon during the lockdowns? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was following down there. Oh, I had to get there,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I was right, I was gonna I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say. You know, what he had said was
Speaker 1: like you know that that idea that if you're only
Speaker 1: looking at a hundred people and let's say ten of
Speaker 1: them died from COVID, it makes it look like, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got ten percent of the people with COVID dying.
Speaker 1: But if in reality a thousand people had COVID and
Speaker 1: you just didn't see a lot of them. They were
Speaker 1: just out, it was a mild flu. They never went
Speaker 1: to the hospital, and you never tested them. You don't
Speaker 1: like what Peter was saying thinking of that ten, maybe
Speaker 1: six of them were on the doorstep. And that's the question.
Speaker 1: And so I think the big the big point is
Speaker 1: that you know, we don't know what was, what was real,
Speaker 1: and what was And I think what Peter said was
Speaker 1: exactly right. People were responding to the situation and there
Speaker 1: was a lot of fear at the time, always and
Speaker 1: that that was the dominant, that was the dominant, you know, emotion,
Speaker 1: and so people weren't stopping to think, like, wait, who's
Speaker 1: really getting sick, how many people are really getting sick,
Speaker 1: what's going on with these tests? It was just all
Speaker 1: about the fear, and I think that was the most important.
Speaker 1: Why are people still alive in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That's a good question. Is this
Speaker 1: a question free or post code it's a pre Well,
Speaker 1: we'll look at it as a post COVID question. We'll
Speaker 1: bring a different guest on and asking as a pre
Speaker 1: COVID questions. Some from Florida. We have a podcast just
Speaker 1: Lepolarizing State This Florida. If you it's funny about Florida.
Speaker 1: It sticks out in lifestyle and in geography, Like I'm
Speaker 1: almost surprised that at some point the rest of the
Speaker 1: country just build a fence and go, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck it just over there. It's now Baja California. It's
Speaker 1: Baja Georgia, all right, So my favorite state in the country,
Speaker 1: by the way, no joke moving there because it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so wild wild West. There's a wild Southeast. Okay.
Speaker 1: So everything we have to so everything we think about COVID.
Speaker 1: So it's COVID killing a totally healthy person. So I
Speaker 1: think COVID can kill a totally healthy person, but in
Speaker 1: the same way that a lot of things can kill
Speaker 1: totally healthy people that we don't understand. So I think
Speaker 1: that it isn't it's not to say that that can happen,
Speaker 1: but the question is can it happen enough to where
Speaker 1: all healthy people have to lock down or do something
Speaker 1: different with their lives, Like, that's the question. And I
Speaker 1: think that just going back to that point about you know,
Speaker 1: when you have the fear and you make every healthy
Speaker 1: person feel like they have the same risk of dying
Speaker 1: from COVID, people are going to act in the way
Speaker 1: that that we saw last year were tissue right, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, gonna costcope be wiped out, everything to be
Speaker 1: wiped out. That's newspaper. Well, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: bad news, so people didn't want to read that. The
Speaker 1: only times keep saying they're walking down more and more
Speaker 1: and ship you're gonna wipe your ass with nothing else
Speaker 1: to do with it, because you'll explain a little bit medically,
Speaker 1: like if I have because COVID is basically defined as
Speaker 1: a respiratory tie up of thing for for your airways, lungs, sciences,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I have a problem with
Speaker 1: my kidneys or with my liver or something like that,
Speaker 1: Why is COVID gonna knock me out so much, so
Speaker 1: much more easily. Yeah, that's a good question. So COVID
Speaker 1: it primarily affects you in the airways. That's how we
Speaker 1: think of it. It causes like a pneumonia like infection
Speaker 1: of your lungs, right, you can't breathe, you gotta be
Speaker 1: on a ventilator or something like that. But actually, any
Speaker 1: virus that you're infected with, or any any bacteria, anything
Speaker 1: you infected with, can have a whole body effect because
Speaker 1: your whole body's immune system is responding to this infection.
Speaker 1: And so if you've got kidney disease, if you've got
Speaker 1: liver disease, weakness, that's right, and you're already weak. You
Speaker 1: can't fight a full strength like a lot of people
Speaker 1: on that CDC spreadsheet had died of renal failure with Yeah,
Speaker 1: your kidneys, and your kidneys are very sensitive to how
Speaker 1: much fluid you got in your body. And so if
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of inflammation, you got fluid building
Speaker 1: up in your lungs, you don't have enough going to
Speaker 1: the kidneys and they can get hurt. But the idea
Speaker 1: is just that when you have liver disease, you have
Speaker 1: kidney disease, you have heart disease, you're kind of sick globally.
Speaker 1: Your whole body is off, and so you add one
Speaker 1: more thing on top of that, you add covid, you
Speaker 1: add a strep infection, you add something like that. It
Speaker 1: can tip It can tip you over exactly exactly. You
Speaker 1: would say, I remember previously off mikes about oxygen access too,
Speaker 1: like ailing organs or something like that, with this having
Speaker 1: having that sort of effect on that. Yeah, So when
Speaker 1: your when your lungs get infected, one of the things
Speaker 1: that happens is and they get filled with fluid because
Speaker 1: you get all this inflammation almost like you bump your
Speaker 1: hand into the table when it gets read, it gets
Speaker 1: swollen something like that, or bump your foot into the table.
Speaker 1: So the same things in your lungs will get swollen,
Speaker 1: they'll get filled up with all this fluid, and now
Speaker 1: you can't get oxygen to different parts of your body,
Speaker 1: so everything can get affected from that. But that's kind of, uh,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a secondary problem to the problem, which
Speaker 1: is just your body's reaction, like the inflammation reaction to
Speaker 1: covid and you're fighting a degenerative illnesses that like especially
Speaker 1: because there's like an infection infections illness, like you caught
Speaker 1: this virus or this bacterios then there's also where you
Speaker 1: know where something is just breaking down, like with age
Speaker 1: or from a lifestyle or whatever else. Does that impact
Speaker 1: your immune system. So if you've got a chronic disease,
Speaker 1: so normally, if you think about your immune system, let's
Speaker 1: say you're a healthy person, you get you get a
Speaker 1: flu or something, right, you feel like crap for three
Speaker 1: or four days. That's your immune system fighting off that virus, right,
Speaker 1: and then you get back to normal. You feel good,
Speaker 1: your airways clear up, you can breathe, Okay, you're not coughing,
Speaker 1: You're back to normal. It's your immune system will turn
Speaker 1: on to fight the virus and then go back down.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the normal response when you got a
Speaker 1: chronic disease, you've got liver disease, you've got diabetes, you've
Speaker 1: got something like that. Your immune system is on and
Speaker 1: it's always on. And that overdrive. What's your immune system
Speaker 1: think it's gonna do? Not fix the problem, that's for
Speaker 1: sure fighting Just then you're seeing something else in here
Speaker 1: and that ship tired, Like damn, my ass already fight
Speaker 1: this ship too. I imagine that at such a city.
Speaker 1: It's it's a movie. What's that movie with It's kind
Speaker 1: of about something like this. Um it was an animated
Speaker 1: movie about like how your immune system worked, and it
Speaker 1: was fighting something and it was with the Sixth Man
Speaker 1: with Bill Murrays. Oh yeah, with Bill Murray where he
Speaker 1: was like the flaming that thing the people shot out
Speaker 1: of the forehead. Some jones, for sure, some jones because
Speaker 1: I forgot to night. But yeah that it actually was
Speaker 1: a really good I feel like animated called me a
Speaker 1: mature but I feel like animated films are a great
Speaker 1: way to teach people things that they could not understand
Speaker 1: and putting it into I get did a better job
Speaker 1: probably in that movie Outbreak much better. I'll break ship
Speaker 1: or Outbreak. You Scared of Monkeys Forever? It on me?
Speaker 1: Uh So, am I wrong to think? Doctor? Because like
Speaker 1: they have no quite idea of how people are catting it? Still,
Speaker 1: they have no true exact science of how people are
Speaker 1: catching this still, Like how accurate It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: We're in a round full of masks and people are
Speaker 1: scared to death. They're still wearing a ton of mask
Speaker 1: and people are still catching it. So I've always had
Speaker 1: this belief, like, Yo, they don't. It hasn't been enough
Speaker 1: time for them to fully understand quite how this is
Speaker 1: being transmitted because it's happening so fast, not to mention
Speaker 1: to the people who are never getting tested. I would
Speaker 1: have liked to believe in the United States of America,
Speaker 1: how many it's four people founder million? Oh, that's about three, right,
Speaker 1: So I wanted to believe probably the population has came
Speaker 1: across something about with COVID, just not everybody didn't deal
Speaker 1: with it in the same way. But I don't. It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they have an exact science of how
Speaker 1: it's spreading. So they're like taking these super giant stay
Speaker 1: at thousand feet from him, mask on shield, Uh, don't
Speaker 1: go outside, windows up, you know, don't breathe air outside,
Speaker 1: Like it's just randomness to me that it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: as exact, like with like HIV County, which a super
Speaker 1: closed down and he was too much a super open
Speaker 1: and and l A County seemed to be plagued with
Speaker 1: worst numbers in Houston. I think, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: a great question. I think so the biggest problem with
Speaker 1: that is you're right right, this was a brand new virus.
Speaker 1: We knew nothing about it when it started a year
Speaker 1: and a half ago. But even though it's been on
Speaker 1: livestock cans for like, you see that the lights I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fun remember being so up? You
Speaker 1: ever noticed that it was on the lightsoll can. It's
Speaker 1: one of the listed viruses on lightsol can, And I like,
Speaker 1: I had a lightsol can from two thousand nineteen, Like, man,
Speaker 1: what the fuck the other coronaviruses? Yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: think But to your point, though, I think, like what
Speaker 1: we should have done right away is figure that out. Right,
Speaker 1: the first questions you would have is how does this
Speaker 1: thing transmit? Who gets infected? And who's at risk for
Speaker 1: getting sick, hospitalized and dying? Right, those are the first
Speaker 1: three questions you want to know. And it goes back
Speaker 1: to what we said earlier when that happened. We didn't
Speaker 1: respond that way. We came out with the fear and
Speaker 1: you gotta double mask, triple mask, you gotta stay six
Speaker 1: ft away from each other, you gotta quarantine for fourteen days,
Speaker 1: don't go outside, don't go to don't want your kids.
Speaker 1: And none of that was based in science. It was
Speaker 1: just all like you said, like it was just a reaction.
Speaker 1: But because we had that reaction, and that was the
Speaker 1: first thing that happened. It's really hard to go back
Speaker 1: now and be like, Okay, now, let's break this down
Speaker 1: and figure it out. Like that stuff you we've been
Speaker 1: telling you to do for the last year and a half.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work, you know. So I think that's a
Speaker 1: real question. The reason why we don't know now, it's
Speaker 1: because from the very beginning we didn't start off with
Speaker 1: that mindset of like, let's figure this out objectively, and
Speaker 1: maybe the answer is we don't need masks, or maybe
Speaker 1: the answer is we need three masks. Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: we needed to figure that out objectively. Yeah, but when
Speaker 1: we came out and it's run, Yeah, it came out
Speaker 1: and took a stance. You can't turn around now and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we're just playing, we're just joking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a joking my community. Or if you just start running,
Speaker 1: you just start running it, that's not Pete is different,
Speaker 1: y'all be cause y'all be standing look at this ship.
Speaker 1: White folks just looking they see everybody was running, be like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? So I don't know who's crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's crazier to run because if you
Speaker 1: know too, yeah, or is it crazy to be like
Speaker 1: what's going on? To figure it out? Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it just depends on how much you do or don't
Speaker 1: like running. That's what kind of shoes you're wearing. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that's true. You got the right shows. Let's if you
Speaker 1: want to get some cardio as well, like to run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just watched that last night. I forgot that Bernie
Speaker 1: Max piece on that was probably my favorite piece of
Speaker 1: common rest in peace, Bernie Man, he was cool too,
Speaker 1: he was cold, um yeah, but I felt like that
Speaker 1: was the reaction, like like hold up, oh ship, and
Speaker 1: then everybody I was like, and you know, me, my
Speaker 1: my intellect, my education, you know, just not furthering it,
Speaker 1: you know, and and not staying focused sometimes voids me
Speaker 1: at the terminology. But I know exactly my intellect is process.
Speaker 1: And I will just be like, man, this is some
Speaker 1: bullshit now, not COVID, it's some bullshit, but what the
Speaker 1: fund is we are doing? Like what the fund is
Speaker 1: going on? Now? That don't been a run into where
Speaker 1: everybody's running from. But I'm dead fully gone. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna keep running. I'm just kind of stand behind a
Speaker 1: brick wall and be like wait a minute, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get out of the way and just look like,
Speaker 1: what are y'all doing is happening? Yeah, there was some
Speaker 1: trash with it. I mean, like obviously the one of
Speaker 1: the political debates that's you know forever in the country
Speaker 1: is centralized versus less centralized government. You can kind of
Speaker 1: see that play out in the COVID thing because you
Speaker 1: could go to Walmart, where everyone's centralized, but you can't
Speaker 1: go live it yourself to five hundred stores down. How
Speaker 1: does this make sense? Because Walmart has better inside the
Speaker 1: Beltway political contributors than all the small how does that
Speaker 1: make sense within the theme of the ship c e
Speaker 1: nt sense? I'm sorry, but how does that? It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna allow We're not going to inform all
Speaker 1: of these stores how to deal with this. We're gonna
Speaker 1: say no, no, we're not gonna do that all open.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pack you all in the place, even though
Speaker 1: we're all tending to stay six ft apart and to
Speaker 1: not go outside. We're gonna put you in one place specifically,
Speaker 1: not okay, you can do thirty people here today, people
Speaker 1: there today, just spread it out. It's like, no, everybody
Speaker 1: go here. They should have closed down the big stores
Speaker 1: only if anything that makes me I mean that I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of time in Vegas last summer. I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on, this disease is really targeting the elderly. Why
Speaker 1: has this eighty five year old woman been standing outside
Speaker 1: in the hundred seventeen degree heating line waiting to get
Speaker 1: into walmarts? It's one o'clock and it's four thirty. That's
Speaker 1: a great she's gonna fall down. But right, right, right,
Speaker 1: only ship not no, you would go to Walmart, Walmart,
Speaker 1: everything else is open. You go to Walmart. People all
Speaker 1: in this motherfucker ain't no tissue. You're like, people are
Speaker 1: sampling eat us down the line, firm to God, touching
Speaker 1: on all these peaches and shining apples on their mask.
Speaker 1: Looks looks good. They were pulling down the mask to
Speaker 1: sneeze all that sneezing all over this. Put it back
Speaker 1: on afterwards. The coldest part is where you be talking
Speaker 1: to somebody and the person at the register came hear
Speaker 1: you through the mask, so they'd be like, oh, could
Speaker 1: you just put out your massics like, oh, the funk.
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of questions I had the whole time,
Speaker 1: and don't let me wrong man. Culturally, like we it's
Speaker 1: a it's a lack of trust for us and and
Speaker 1: and the government obviously, especially where I come from. Like,
Speaker 1: it's huge lack of trust, huge question marks, Like all
Speaker 1: you taught is like, no, they don't want you to live.
Speaker 1: So every time, it's like even now, I'll argue with
Speaker 1: Van Lengthen you know that skepticism is like probably my
Speaker 1: favorite macro quality of the black community is that inherent
Speaker 1: skepticism because that is truly kind of what you stand for.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I don't believe you. Yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do more of us, tell me something. Um
Speaker 1: but me, Van was arguing and I was said, Van,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Van, why would I trust somebody who we
Speaker 1: legitly always agree with is trying to destroy us consistently? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, white people are taking this out. I'm like, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: We've done this one before too, We've done that before.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just weird, man. It's it's
Speaker 1: was different, you know what I mean? It was It
Speaker 1: was really different, and it was a lot of things
Speaker 1: that you know, I thought as as a country, Um,
Speaker 1: we just kind of didn't do well with especially to
Speaker 1: be uh capitalist country, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it was like, well, when you really think about it,
Speaker 1: that actually did work out because Walmart didn't down. It
Speaker 1: was a testament not to free market capitalism. It was
Speaker 1: a testament to oligarchical government intervention. More so, there was
Speaker 1: I mean, the competitive free marketplace did not exist in Walmart,
Speaker 1: Amazon or nothing. Do you want this thirty dollar napkins over?
Speaker 1: How much money did Netflix make last year? Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Netflix have been spending money on content for five years
Speaker 1: and they got all the r O I met five months.
Speaker 1: That's a great point, damn um. So don't say you're
Speaker 1: saying this is a power play. Okay, so we we
Speaker 1: all agree. COVID that's a real thing. Is knocking people
Speaker 1: there for sure? Okay? I had I tested positive for it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody had. Didn't knock you down, didn't put you down.
Speaker 1: I thought it was that I had a few too
Speaker 1: many drinks one night, and I'm like, I had like four,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be laid up for two days. And then
Speaker 1: by the time I actually had the energy to go
Speaker 1: get up and get the test, I was fine and
Speaker 1: It took a week and a half from giving the results.
Speaker 1: By the time they gave me whip my add I
Speaker 1: didn't lose my taste, but but I lost my appetite.
Speaker 1: I lost my taste button. I had this really good
Speaker 1: cigar that I was like, gonna have is my first
Speaker 1: cigar back from COVID, and then I realized that I
Speaker 1: couldn't taste it, and it was a waste of that cigar.
Speaker 1: It was a catastrophe. It's such a such a shame.
Speaker 1: It was way worse than the virus itself, which did
Speaker 1: cure long term chronic acute sinus infection. I've been fighting
Speaker 1: for about eight years. Imagine that day somebody offered you
Speaker 1: an eighty year old Scotch. It's like it's either today
Speaker 1: or nothing. While you had the peak of your tasteless COVID.
Speaker 1: I had a helvet in my mouth for six weeks
Speaker 1: till say something to me, y'all know me for six
Speaker 1: weeks teeth and no gums, But so you would just
Speaker 1: put it in your COVID mouth and spitting back in
Speaker 1: A had A held it in my mouth the whole
Speaker 1: goddamn time. I'm on an I V for a month.
Speaker 1: I can't even if that was some good scotch, I
Speaker 1: would have taken care of the COVID real quick. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So I can't ask you this because this don't I
Speaker 1: don't think they still know what how people are catching it,
Speaker 1: how to actually kill it. I think they don't know.
Speaker 1: Like I had a lot of like I'm thinking a
Speaker 1: lot of people I know that I told, Like what
Speaker 1: helped me a lot was PDA Like I have no
Speaker 1: idea why, but Peddia Light got me back in the
Speaker 1: game because it was whipping my ask for about a
Speaker 1: good seven round, Like I was gett whooped in the fight.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, I came in the corner one
Speaker 1: of them nights and I drank that PDA Light and
Speaker 1: I came out of the eight round. I like, hold up,
Speaker 1: turn this fight around. I got a couple of knockdowns
Speaker 1: and I wanted to fight. It went all twelve, though,
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about fluids and being hydrated.
Speaker 1: Being hydrated is important, you know, But about how you
Speaker 1: get it's a good question. Like initially everyone thought you
Speaker 1: got it from droplets. You know, you cough comes out,
Speaker 1: but you remember early on it was like you know,
Speaker 1: people were worried if you touch surfaces that had it,
Speaker 1: then you touch your mouth and that you know they
Speaker 1: can get it, so you want to rub down everything whatever.
Speaker 1: Who the table, Ye, let me let me see what
Speaker 1: is this taste? Let me give me see something. A
Speaker 1: lot of the ideas forgive me and I know mad,
Speaker 1: but I felt like Trump. I was like, this ship
Speaker 1: is stupid. I'm not saying it's not real, but this
Speaker 1: ship is stupid. What the funk are we doing? Right?
Speaker 1: I think I think you got touched on earlier. Like
Speaker 1: the thing for me was like the skepticism. It wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't there from anyone. It wasn't there from
Speaker 1: anyone in the scientific community. It wasn't there from anyone.
Speaker 1: Like everyone normally, normally how we feel about what the
Speaker 1: government is telling us, we always like, hold up, what
Speaker 1: y'all got you? COVID was one of the few things
Speaker 1: where it was like that was that was that first
Speaker 1: time people start running and everybody was like, hold let
Speaker 1: me just run right. Normally you'd be the hold up, bro,
Speaker 1: what y'all think you're about to do? We we don't
Speaker 1: trust y'all. Yeah, And I think it was difficult to
Speaker 1: even have that conversation, Like you couldn't even really ask
Speaker 1: if you had any public platform, like hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: like how do you get this again? This doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. Or a month ago we said masks weren't helpful,
Speaker 1: and now we're saying they are, Like you couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: You had to just you had to just follow whatever
Speaker 1: today's message was and stay on message. And that's the problem. Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's why we couldn't looking back some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we were saying, it sounds stupid, like what
Speaker 1: we believe that For a minute, was there any top
Speaker 1: down manipulation within the scientific research community industry that either
Speaker 1: came from funding stipulations or government pressure or just internalized
Speaker 1: pressure that you feel like may have impacted the ability
Speaker 1: to have like an like Integrit's research. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. So I have no Obviously I'm not I
Speaker 1: have no evidence of any you know, fun I couldn't
Speaker 1: follow money and tell you that people were paid to
Speaker 1: keep certain things quiet or whatever. But what was interesting
Speaker 1: to me was that, like, usually when you have a
Speaker 1: scientific finding, people will continue to study that, and COVID
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to study it. It was weird to me
Speaker 1: when everyone started it saying the same thing, right, Like
Speaker 1: you didn't see dissenting opinions or you didn't see people
Speaker 1: disagreeing with each other publicly everyone on TV was saying
Speaker 1: the same thing. Was everybody behind the scenes, like in
Speaker 1: the scientific research community saying the exact same thing what
Speaker 1: everybody on television was saying. I mean, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think like yo homies, like when
Speaker 1: you and your hommies would kind of talk, he'd be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I kind of saw something, but
Speaker 1: you know you couldn't say it loud, but you had
Speaker 1: to talk to your partners dr potners behind the scene
Speaker 1: like man, I don't know, man. Yeah, I think over time,
Speaker 1: I think early on everyone was kind of waiting, seeing like, hey,
Speaker 1: what is this gonna be? Right? Like we gotta wait.
Speaker 1: Like some people bought in whatever the messages to say
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, like you said, they took off, run
Speaker 1: and they went. Other people, I think wanted to wait
Speaker 1: and see and say, all right, you know, let's see
Speaker 1: what this is. But it was the case where you
Speaker 1: remember last summer, right when they said mildkard itis, right,
Speaker 1: athletes were gonna play college football. They're all gonna get
Speaker 1: COVID mildkard itis and start dropping dead on the field
Speaker 1: and stuff. Right, what was interesting to me and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just wait and see what happens. A month comes,
Speaker 1: two months into the season, three months in the season,
Speaker 1: I'm watching the I'm watching the college football championship game,
Speaker 1: and there hadn't been a single player all season that
Speaker 1: dropped dead with mild cardiitis. And so naturally, I think
Speaker 1: people just started asking questions, like, what we thought five
Speaker 1: months ago, we have no evidence to support that anymore.
Speaker 1: You mentioned at the time, And this happened just last
Speaker 1: week again with that Massachusetts thing with the vaccinated vaccinated
Speaker 1: people in the new cases. But it wasn't it Like
Speaker 1: a somewhere in Europe there was a small sample size,
Speaker 1: kind of skewed study that was released, and the mild
Speaker 1: card iis thing was pretty much trampolined off that study,
Speaker 1: and that study was pretty healthily debunked. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So the study that tipped it off was from I
Speaker 1: think it was from Germany, but it was out of
Speaker 1: Europe for sure. And what they did is they were
Speaker 1: looking at people who had COVID and they wanted to
Speaker 1: look at their hearts to see if they had inflammation
Speaker 1: in their heart. That's mild card itis, right, inflammation of
Speaker 1: the heart. And so they took like, I forget the number,
Speaker 1: but they took let's just say it was a hundred
Speaker 1: people that had COVID, and they said, okay, let's look
Speaker 1: at all their hearts and see how many of them
Speaker 1: have mildcard itis or inflammation of their heart. And they
Speaker 1: had some number, let's say it was three percent or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. That's a that's cool that but that
Speaker 1: study doesn't mean that everyone who gets infected with COVID
Speaker 1: is going to get mile card eyes. There's no control
Speaker 1: for that, right. You needed control. You need to be
Speaker 1: able to say, okay, how many football players, if you
Speaker 1: just looked at their hearts have inflammation just from playing football,
Speaker 1: tackling each other, running around out there. What is the
Speaker 1: normal rate of mild card iis or inflammation of the
Speaker 1: heart that you can see in a football player, and
Speaker 1: then compare that to the the football players who get COVID.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a good study. It was a study
Speaker 1: that came out that got people scared. I think initially,
Speaker 1: and then in America people were saying, hey, this is
Speaker 1: something we got to keep an eye out for. And
Speaker 1: the whole college football season happens and there wasn't a
Speaker 1: single case of someone getting hospitalized with mile card I
Speaker 1: don't remember there being a huge rampant wave of people
Speaker 1: dying of my card iis outside of football or anything
Speaker 1: else like anywhere. Really, it was like whatever sample of
Speaker 1: patients that they reviewed for that study, it seems either
Speaker 1: anomalous like they grab or they went to the mile
Speaker 1: card diet is winning of the hospital and started testing
Speaker 1: for COVID. Right now, I think it's I think that's
Speaker 1: the best evidence in support of your position is like,
Speaker 1: just wait and see what happens. And if milecardiis was
Speaker 1: really happening in three percent of people with COVID, we'd have,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of cases of mile card itis, right,
Speaker 1: but we haven't. We didn't see that. So I think
Speaker 1: you're exactly right that the evidence when you just sat
Speaker 1: and watched what happened in real time. You can model
Speaker 1: whatever you want in a computer. You can develop, you know,
Speaker 1: ways to predict what's going to happen. But if you
Speaker 1: just sit back and give it some time and wait
Speaker 1: and see then you then you know in reality, like
Speaker 1: what what is truth and what isn't? And what happened
Speaker 1: was cases came. No one really got Milecardiis. No one
Speaker 1: went back and talked about it. No one was like, hey,
Speaker 1: five months ago we thought there would be a lot
Speaker 1: of Marcardiis. There wasn't any. We just kind of moved
Speaker 1: on to the next thing, you know, the next nobody
Speaker 1: nobody came in and say, hey, I was wrong, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I was wrong. No one has been wrong. In spite
Speaker 1: of the fact that people have been right about the
Speaker 1: thing from in different ways at different times, no one
Speaker 1: has yet been wrong, which is fascinating that everyone's bad
Speaker 1: at a thousand in opposite directions. Yes, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: That's how they feel for sure. Okay, so fast forward.
Speaker 1: Vaccines right, and this is the good stuff. Um, so
Speaker 1: right off the rip, right, Vaccines do not protect you.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Vaccines do not mean you will not contract
Speaker 1: the virus. We'll explain real quick, could you the difference
Speaker 1: between the polio vaccine and an mRNA vaccine, which is
Speaker 1: what we have with this. So there are a couple
Speaker 1: of different types of polio vaccines. But the traditional vaccine,
Speaker 1: the way they had done it in the past is
Speaker 1: you can take a virus and you can sort of um,
Speaker 1: you can sort of kill it, right, so it won't
Speaker 1: infect you. It won't cause a full on infection. You
Speaker 1: kind of just you make it like a milder version.
Speaker 1: We you weaken it. Yeah, it's perfect, and you inject
Speaker 1: that weakened virus into someone and then you let that
Speaker 1: and then exactly so it's like so it's like sparring
Speaker 1: before boxing, exact used to the like, Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna put you in with Mike Tyson, but I'll put
Speaker 1: you in with David too, to get you prepared for
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. So by the time you fight Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: for real with no headgear, you already kind of a
Speaker 1: familiar with what you're looking at, so you're prepared for
Speaker 1: the fight. Right. That's that's a perfect analogy. That's exactly what.
Speaker 1: That's what virus, that's what vaccines or that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the original idea of vaccine exactly. So SPA give you,
Speaker 1: give you a weekend version so you can spar with
Speaker 1: this and your mute system is ready to go, like
Speaker 1: when we're getting right now with the real are we ready? Exactly,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the hookie throwing, I'm looking for the
Speaker 1: upper cut you throwing. I'm prepared for your Exactly, that's
Speaker 1: exactly right now. The COVID vaccines, at least the Fightser
Speaker 1: and the Maderna ones, these ones have a slept the
Speaker 1: different technology to them, the same concept. They're trying to
Speaker 1: expose you to a part of the virus so you
Speaker 1: can warm up your immute system, you can spar a
Speaker 1: little bit, so when you get infected with COVID, or
Speaker 1: you get exposed to COVID, you know how to fight it.
Speaker 1: These vaccines work a little bit differently though. Instead of
Speaker 1: giving you a weekend virus, they give you just one
Speaker 1: of the one of the um M RNA's. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of the parts of the viral DNA, and so
Speaker 1: what it is, right, the RNA becomes protein. So the virus.
Speaker 1: The way to think about a virus is it's made
Speaker 1: of protein. That's kind of like the clothes on the virus,
Speaker 1: the shirt and that kind of thing, and then it
Speaker 1: has DNA or RNA that's kind of the internal message
Speaker 1: that the virus carries. So it's branding and marketing exactly.
Speaker 1: That's for branding, and then the RNA is the marketing,
Speaker 1: the actual what's Del tacos RNA is fresh, healthy, clean,
Speaker 1: eaten uh Mexican, fold of um, all these things once
Speaker 1: you walk inside, but the branding itself doesn't show that
Speaker 1: the outside. That's right, that's perfect. So yeah, good analogy
Speaker 1: with that would be like the the instruction manual for
Speaker 1: how to make Del Taco food or whatever. That's the RNA,
Speaker 1: that's the message, and then the food you're putting out
Speaker 1: and serving customers, that's your protein. That's like the that's
Speaker 1: the real stuff that people interact with like that. So
Speaker 1: you can take the instructions from the virus that's the RNA,
Speaker 1: and you can put that into a person and your
Speaker 1: body will make that protein. It will make that food.
Speaker 1: It'll say, all right, here's the here's the recipe. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start making this this food. And then that food
Speaker 1: you're making is virus and your immune system will respond
Speaker 1: to that. So then you go to that sparring. As
Speaker 1: far as even a weaker version. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like more not like it's like trying to make your
Speaker 1: own del tacos, like it's quite not Del Taco, but yeah,
Speaker 1: del Taco. Okay, yeah, yeah, so it's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Del Taco. That's that's great analogy. It's like someone
Speaker 1: just gave you instructions to go. Here's a recipe. Here's
Speaker 1: a recipe. You go to the grocery, start, go by
Speaker 1: a proper shield that they use, and this is kind
Speaker 1: of the idea of what it takes left. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so that's that's the first time we made vaccine starting
Speaker 1: from that RNA from that message. Usually we just take
Speaker 1: the virus or we'll take the virus protein and we'll
Speaker 1: put that in into a person, but this time it
Speaker 1: was let's start from that RNA. So with that, the
Speaker 1: concepts the same, though. Your body takes that message, makes
Speaker 1: the protein and then fights it and then now you're
Speaker 1: ready to go if you get infected. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: I'm very very critical of the case count metric. It
Speaker 1: seems that this is the case count metric that was
Speaker 1: kind of used to amplify response by the power structure
Speaker 1: in the country. Coming back to bite itself in the
Speaker 1: ass with this with the vaccine situation, because the vaccor
Speaker 1: vaccine is it doesn't mean that a virus, especially this
Speaker 1: mRNA vaccine, in the way it's gonna be airborne and
Speaker 1: stop within four inches of it means that you might
Speaker 1: contract the virus, but your body will not. It has
Speaker 1: to be victim to it manifesting to a terminal point.
Speaker 1: It has a better chance in the fight, right right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's exactly right. So like when you get the vaccine,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you can't get infected. It also doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you can't get infected and have some symptoms. But
Speaker 1: what you hope for is that without there for the fight, exactly,
Speaker 1: without the exactly if you went into a match and
Speaker 1: you didn't spar it all, you're out for the first round,
Speaker 1: you're knocked out, this over, but you're hoping that you
Speaker 1: can maybe go the distance, maybe you can make it competitive.
Speaker 1: So that's the idea. You're not keeping yourself from getting infected,
Speaker 1: but you're just hoping that when you do get infected,
Speaker 1: you can you're better off for the fight. Why did
Speaker 1: we change, you know, is this the first you know,
Speaker 1: virus that we changed on how we manufacture vaccines for
Speaker 1: those mRNA vaccines. So, yeah, this was the first virus
Speaker 1: that we developed mRNA vaccines for the technology for it,
Speaker 1: like how to there are a lot of has to
Speaker 1: happen in the background to get to that point. So
Speaker 1: for example, we didn't know fifty years ago, for example,
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago that RNA or m RNA even existed,
Speaker 1: so you have to discover what that was first, and
Speaker 1: then we didn't know how to isolate it. You have
Speaker 1: to do that. So it's kind of building on a
Speaker 1: lot of work to get to that point, which is
Speaker 1: consue inclusion is people are gonna getting sucked up in
Speaker 1: this fight because it's an even more weakened version of
Speaker 1: the opponents you're going to fight. So that's the question
Speaker 1: is that that's where people are trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: is how does it compare? And it's obvious it makes
Speaker 1: sense why the mRNA vaccine concept for this rather than
Speaker 1: the traditional model is that the traditional model is harder
Speaker 1: to obtain. This is a more expedited path to goal.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. So people have tried to make
Speaker 1: coronavirus vaccines in the past. So this this stars cove
Speaker 1: to the virus that causes COVID nineteen. It has a
Speaker 1: it comes from a family of viruses that are kind
Speaker 1: of similar. Coronavirus is, right, and people have tried to
Speaker 1: make vaccines against other coronavirus is in the past using
Speaker 1: those the traditional methods for making vaccines, and they haven't
Speaker 1: been effective. So they make the vaccine, they give it
Speaker 1: to people, and for whatever reason, people are still getting
Speaker 1: hospitalized and dying at the same rate from previating they
Speaker 1: can't weaken an It wasn't yet no efficacy exactly. So
Speaker 1: with this one, I think that there was just kind
Speaker 1: of a shotgun approach. You have the MR and a
Speaker 1: technology that has kind of been improving year over year,
Speaker 1: and you have and but there are still traditional vaccines
Speaker 1: being made. So I think that Johnson Johnson is a
Speaker 1: traditional vaccine. I thought, fucking dot because I thought that
Speaker 1: I was like my mom used to always tell me
Speaker 1: some rest of her so she said, remember this about brands.
Speaker 1: Brands are the most popular, brands that are in the
Speaker 1: public face, are the easiest to be held accountable. So
Speaker 1: they're going to like I would try to buy growing up.
Speaker 1: Right when I got out of the house, I got
Speaker 1: out the house of seventeen, I'm living by myself. Sorry
Speaker 1: to cut you made me think of that, but I
Speaker 1: would go and save money to buy off brand product
Speaker 1: because I didn't care about Bounty and I don't care
Speaker 1: about Tied. These people they're not the homie you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Who who are these brands? She was like, no,
Speaker 1: it's an ethics that carries with these popular brands where
Speaker 1: they are more than likely to have to do right
Speaker 1: by you versus the brands that are kind of the
Speaker 1: things you don't know about that are not as popular.
Speaker 1: So even though was it Maderna, all of those are
Speaker 1: popular brands within the medical world, they're not as popular
Speaker 1: of a brand as Johnson and Johnson. So that's why
Speaker 1: the Johnson and Johnson some people getting their ask what
Speaker 1: because it's closer to this, So they're they're doing the
Speaker 1: old school way. Yeah, and so people it wasn't like
Speaker 1: that all the companies coordinated and said, hey, let's all
Speaker 1: develop an MR and a vaccine, or let's all develop
Speaker 1: a traditional vaccine. I think different companies. And this goes
Speaker 1: back to the policy that was done. I think Donald
Speaker 1: Trump was like, Hey, I'm gonna just open up a
Speaker 1: bunch of money. You guys, you know, if you wanna
Speaker 1: take this money, I'm gonna invest in fifteen companies, and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna see who can develop a vaccine so
Speaker 1: we can get out of this. And some of the
Speaker 1: companies developed mRNA vaccines, some developed regular ones. But the
Speaker 1: point of the vaccine is if it's supposed to prepare
Speaker 1: you for the infection and be make you better prepared
Speaker 1: so you can you can handle that infection better, the
Speaker 1: question just becomes, Okay, what is the efficacy of these vaccines?
Speaker 1: Just because the traditional vaccine didn't work for another coronavirus,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it can't be effective for this one,
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Just because you have a new technology,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it could be more affected than the old.
Speaker 1: You got to do the studies and figure it out.
Speaker 1: If you took a hundred thousand people and they all
Speaker 1: had the polio vaccine and exposed all of them to polio,
Speaker 1: would some amount of them not not say, have advanced
Speaker 1: terminal bad polio. But you could continue to test them
Speaker 1: again and again and again, and and there would be
Speaker 1: a point where a lot of them who were vaccinated
Speaker 1: or most which show at some point, yeah, they're positive
Speaker 1: for polio. Yeah, I would think so, I don't know
Speaker 1: the exact Yeah, let's take something else, but I would know,
Speaker 1: but I would spatitis B. Yeah, no, but I would
Speaker 1: say your your point with the polio one is exactly
Speaker 1: right though, Like I don't think that there's a vaccine
Speaker 1: that's been made that's been a effective in all circumstances, right,
Speaker 1: So like, for example, even if you've been vaccinat against polio,
Speaker 1: who knows if you're getting exposed to some people probably
Speaker 1: are still exactly and so for hepatitis, A good example
Speaker 1: is that is that when you work in healthcare, you
Speaker 1: have to get vaccinated for hepatitis hepatitis BRIGHT. And when
Speaker 1: you start working, they don't just take your vaccination record
Speaker 1: and say, okay, you're good to go. They measure your
Speaker 1: antibody levels in your blood because they want to make
Speaker 1: sure you have enough of them. If you had enough
Speaker 1: of them and it's effective, and it's effective for you,
Speaker 1: and you could you still for an interim period of
Speaker 1: a day or two contract hepatitis B before your body
Speaker 1: eradicates it's such that you can still test positive for it. Yes,
Speaker 1: And a good answer your question about how confident you
Speaker 1: are in that vaccine keeping you from getting infected at
Speaker 1: all is if right now I'm in the hospital and
Speaker 1: I get stuck with the needle and the person that
Speaker 1: from a patient that had hepatitis, they immediately give me
Speaker 1: another booster of the vaccine and they'll give me a
Speaker 1: treatment for it right away. They'll just treat me prophylactically,
Speaker 1: even though I've been vaccinated in the past. So they're
Speaker 1: telling you with that that we know you've been vaccinated,
Speaker 1: we know you know you have, but it ain't enough
Speaker 1: because we just want to be careful. And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you can have someone who's still exposed
Speaker 1: after vaccinations of different kinds and still get infected with things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What what's your take speaking of treatments on what kind
Speaker 1: of seemed like an aggressive skepticism toward treatments for people
Speaker 1: post infection, I mean, proud of the vaccine and even
Speaker 1: post vaccine, like, there seems to be some evidence that
Speaker 1: there are a handful of treatments that are very effective
Speaker 1: and they seem to be very frowned upon. Is that fair?
Speaker 1: Is that what's kind of the take there? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's fair. I think my overall perception of it
Speaker 1: is the approach to the treatments should have been the
Speaker 1: same as the approach to the questions about how you
Speaker 1: transmit the virus, do we need masks? How do the
Speaker 1: vaccines work? It should have been openly, It should have
Speaker 1: been objective. Does this treatment work or does it not work?
Speaker 1: And the only way to know is you got to
Speaker 1: test it. So early on in the pandemic, people were
Speaker 1: publishing studies, and it turns out some of the data
Speaker 1: they were using in those studies were completely fabricated, completely faked,
Speaker 1: and those studies got retracted right so it was very
Speaker 1: hard to figure out what is what is real, what's accurate,
Speaker 1: what's being accurately reported, and what isn't. My my perception here,
Speaker 1: my my my take on it is that I think
Speaker 1: there are treatments that are affective for certain people. I
Speaker 1: think we didn't do a good enough job of exploring
Speaker 1: those the same way we didn't do a good enough
Speaker 1: job of exploring who really is at risk of getting
Speaker 1: COVID and getting really sick from it. We just kind
Speaker 1: of took a one size fits all approach. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of these treatment questions are
Speaker 1: being answered a year later after we have the vacs,
Speaker 1: were starting the mass eve, we're being tested exactly. So
Speaker 1: the so the new way of creating vaccine is called
Speaker 1: the m r N m RNA. You have different types
Speaker 1: of RNA. That one's the messenger, so that creates the
Speaker 1: it's the it's the it's the cookbook of how to
Speaker 1: make it, and this is your body producing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the cookbook for how to make the proteins, and
Speaker 1: your protein is what your body deals with. That's that's
Speaker 1: the food at the restaurant that you're eating. Yes, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so again so, but it's not again. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like the fast food version of a good hamburger to
Speaker 1: a degree. And this probably would be the argument or
Speaker 1: something that that would offend somebody because it's like going
Speaker 1: to McDonald's getting a burger versus making a burger at home,
Speaker 1: taking the real virus and making a hamburger for your
Speaker 1: body to feast on, versus, Hey, we're gonna go to McDonald's. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: so it's refining, refining, refined, like like sugar, s oil.
Speaker 1: It's refining. It's a refined version of the product a
Speaker 1: little bit. I would mark my words. When the sauce
Speaker 1: said and done, it's going to be a refined version
Speaker 1: of the product, because it's how McDonald's is to the burger.
Speaker 1: It's faster. That's part of America, especially America. I think
Speaker 1: other countries as well, but especially America. It's about speed. Now.
Speaker 1: The greatest business to me is convinced what's fastest, what's fastest,
Speaker 1: What's what's fastest? Fuck the quality to a degree, right,
Speaker 1: That's why we're so happy with Chick fil a. Chick
Speaker 1: fil A is a decent chicken sound, was decent chicken tenders.
Speaker 1: Compared to everything else that's faster is great, but it's
Speaker 1: still not as great as a full quality version of
Speaker 1: the same food. So I think what they're doing is
Speaker 1: they've found a way to make it faster. They've gotten
Speaker 1: better perfected it. So which ones are m R n
Speaker 1: A and which one is what's the old method? Cause
Speaker 1: different ones. So you can have the words of like
Speaker 1: live attenuated virus, that's a weekend virus. You can also
Speaker 1: have what we're doing with polio, yeah exactly. You can
Speaker 1: also have just a protein taken and that would just
Speaker 1: be a vaccine based off of an antigen vaccine, just
Speaker 1: a protein vaccine. That's what they use an outbreak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, actually, yeah, I think that is and
Speaker 1: so uh and so. But to your point, I think
Speaker 1: what that what that opens up is this idea that
Speaker 1: like your vaccine is going to be as good as
Speaker 1: the target you're using it for a vaccines? What are
Speaker 1: of those very year to year? I'm not have to
Speaker 1: go look at what the recent one is because there's
Speaker 1: also like a nasal one. I think that just it's
Speaker 1: just made from a protein. I think. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's even There is a version of the flu vaccine
Speaker 1: that is a weakend virus, but that's the one. I
Speaker 1: think that that might be the inhaled one if you've
Speaker 1: ever had, like the one you inhale. But the other words,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get rid of the real one because that's
Speaker 1: what they've been doing. Like like when I go and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know my brain somewhere stuff. But it's
Speaker 1: like to go find seated grapes, it is fucking tough.
Speaker 1: I got to go to a fu want me or
Speaker 1: go to sprouts a vineyard. No, it's just just to
Speaker 1: get seedd Like I just want my fucking grapes with seeds.
Speaker 1: I want my watermelon with seeds. I want my milk.
Speaker 1: I don't want Lewis Pastures method on my milk. I
Speaker 1: want my ship. I don't beat it up. I wanted myself.
Speaker 1: I'll heat it myself. So I think was so. Think
Speaker 1: about how tough it is to find seeded grapes. Think
Speaker 1: how tough it is to find seeded watermelons. Think how
Speaker 1: tough it is to find unpasteurized milk. Think how hard
Speaker 1: it is to find things that people just don't want it.
Speaker 1: I don't think people don't want them. I think again
Speaker 1: it's to convenience. I think what people want is to
Speaker 1: leave milk in refrigerator longer. It all calls. Don't give
Speaker 1: a funk at what causes is like yo, I want
Speaker 1: my milk to last two months. It's like your's milk.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, I wanted to last two months.
Speaker 1: I'm a little creeped out about some of that, Like,
Speaker 1: uh God, what is um like shamrock farms where you
Speaker 1: find that it's got that hard seal on the top
Speaker 1: of the like seven eleven and it doesn't expire until
Speaker 1: April of next year. So that's what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that's my point, you know what I'm saying, Like, even
Speaker 1: though it seems like it's something nobody wants. It's not
Speaker 1: something nobody wants. What we want is again it's all
Speaker 1: about efficiency or convenience or you know, having things that
Speaker 1: last long versus even though in theory they are not
Speaker 1: supposed to last long. Milk is not supposed the last long.
Speaker 1: Grapes are supposed to come with seeds and not donna
Speaker 1: kill you and don't taste that bad watermelon. The same thing.
Speaker 1: So when you start altering things right and it becomes
Speaker 1: convenianced also means you can grow them anywhere at any time.
Speaker 1: So then what happens is you lose flavor, Like it's
Speaker 1: you can eat a watermelon in December like it's freshly grown,
Speaker 1: and no matter what, it's going to lose flavor because
Speaker 1: it's a lesser quality version of a real watermelon, it's
Speaker 1: a diet watermelon. Now that's a good point. What are
Speaker 1: we willing to trade off for venience? And I feel
Speaker 1: like there really is no limiting principle. I think some
Speaker 1: people will be willing to give everything for convenient And
Speaker 1: now I'm inconvenient to go get real ship Like I
Speaker 1: have to drive to go get real milk, I have
Speaker 1: to go there to get real watermelons doing soon? Are
Speaker 1: you're getting unpasteurized milk. I'm not gonna tell you because
Speaker 1: you're trying to shut my spot down. So you donkey milk. No,
Speaker 1: it's real milk, and it's so great. Goat milk. It's
Speaker 1: great milk. Though I believe it, I don't doubt it. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So out of the vaccines, right, So obviously
Speaker 1: the MADERNA and the fiser r M d r A
Speaker 1: m M RNA m RNA, the Johnson and Johnson, which
Speaker 1: I think that you can't even get that right now
Speaker 1: for something, they scrapped that right, which probably means that's
Speaker 1: the one I want. When Johnson and Johnson, no more tears,
Speaker 1: no more fears, the family brand you can trust, that's
Speaker 1: the one you want because who they fucking hand. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying so that's made the old school way right.
Speaker 1: So that's a weekend virus which was probably whipping all
Speaker 1: of the people that was getting funked up taking there
Speaker 1: because the system couldn't hold up. Your system still gotta
Speaker 1: be able. You can still get knocked out as barty okay,
Speaker 1: shifting to delta Shifting to delta um. So this is
Speaker 1: I've seen a joke on social media, and the joke
Speaker 1: was it was like all these vaccines, the virus had
Speaker 1: to get tougher the whip as it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: then I can't whoop y'all as Okay, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back getting shape, come back and see you all again.
Speaker 1: But just sent you an article link um scientific report
Speaker 1: or Scientific Reviewers in that post of the study last
Speaker 1: week about that thinking how it works. Yeah, So so
Speaker 1: that's I think that's the the way to think about
Speaker 1: it is. It's like it's a tug of war, right,
Speaker 1: and in between humans and infectious disease, right, viruses, bacteria,
Speaker 1: We've been living alongside each other for thousands of years, right,
Speaker 1: and what happens is is we developed some aspect of
Speaker 1: our immune system where we can fight it off. And
Speaker 1: then the bacteria or the virus or whatever is gonna mutate.
Speaker 1: It's gonna evolve, and it's gonna say, all right, like
Speaker 1: you said, I'm gonna go prepare at home and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come back and get you in a minute. Doesn't
Speaker 1: want to die and go. The virus just like we do.
Speaker 1: You got competing in yeah, yeah, exactly to prolong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the virus is doing the same. They're making their own
Speaker 1: MR vaccines, So they're making their own and so and so.
Speaker 1: That's and so anytime you're dealing with what you're dealing
Speaker 1: with the virus and infection of some type. The challenges
Speaker 1: trying to get control of it without it mutating or
Speaker 1: changing itself to escape your control or your protection. So
Speaker 1: one of the best ways you can do this is
Speaker 1: developed vaccines, right, developed vaccines, vaccine a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: and then hopefully control the virus to where you know
Speaker 1: it's it's the numbers have gotten solo that it's not
Speaker 1: spreading and mutating in polio. Polio is a good example.
Speaker 1: That's why we wanted to eradicate polio vaccine everyone. But
Speaker 1: there are certain things like, for example, the flu virus,
Speaker 1: which we we've been trying to we've been it's still
Speaker 1: hanging out and so our relationship with the flu virus
Speaker 1: is different from polio. Right, we couldn't control it enough.
Speaker 1: So now what we do is we just say, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna vaccinate as many people as we can every year.
Speaker 1: We're gonna deal with the fact that so many thousands
Speaker 1: of people are gonna get the flu every year and
Speaker 1: they're gonna die and we're just gonna figure out how
Speaker 1: to live with it. Right, So, the question with COVID
Speaker 1: is which path is it gonna go down? Is it
Speaker 1: going to be a polio or is it gonna be
Speaker 1: a flu? And that's the question. So about Delta, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the question about about COVID is it going to
Speaker 1: be a polio? Are we going to eradicate it and
Speaker 1: completely get rid of it? Or is it going to
Speaker 1: be the flu? And are we going to keep living
Speaker 1: with it? That's the question Right now, Nancy Pelosi is
Speaker 1: saying the same thing about Republicans