1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560
Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

2
00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,600
Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with

3
00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760
Speaker 2: you our friend Grant Cameron with US Canadian author, researcher,

4
00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,840
Speaker 2: historical analysts. With decades of investigative experience, Grant has interviewed

5
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,720
Speaker 2: hundreds of experiencers, whistleblowers, government insiders, weaving their testimonies into

6
00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,480
Speaker 2: paradigm shifting narratives that challenge materialistic assumptions. He's got a

7
00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,120
Speaker 2: new book out called Beyond Managing Magic, Landing the Plane.

8
00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,680
Speaker 2: It's his fourth volume in the series. Welcome back, Grant.

9
00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,600
Speaker 2: How you been been good?

10
00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,000
Speaker 3: George, Thanks for having me on. I appreciate your interest.

11
00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,879
Speaker 2: How did you get interested in the UFO field in

12
00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,479
Speaker 2: the first place? How that happened?

13
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm in nineteen seventy five, had no interest whatsoever is

14
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,800
Speaker 3: going to university, small town outside of the city I

15
00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,800
Speaker 3: was living in. I was reporting UFOs nightly, and I

16
00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,760
Speaker 3: said to my friend, let's go and let's see what

17
00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,760
Speaker 3: they're doing. And we say, okay, we'll go. And we

18
00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,960
Speaker 3: didn't go for three months, and then local TV station

19
00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,480
Speaker 3: got a film of this thing jumping off the ground.

20
00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,240
Speaker 3: So if you're familiar with the nimits going from ninety

21
00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,320
Speaker 3: thousand feet down to sea level in seven eighths of

22
00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,120
Speaker 3: a second, this thing went from ground level to five

23
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,319
Speaker 3: thousand feet in the air in about one eighth of

24
00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,560
Speaker 3: a second. And it was caught on film by this

25
00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,160
Speaker 3: TV crew. And that's when I said to my friend,

26
00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,120
Speaker 3: come on, let's go see what they're looking at. And

27
00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,479
Speaker 3: we drove out there. We drove around this town called

28
00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,759
Speaker 3: Carmen for about an hour and we didn't see anything,

29
00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,720
Speaker 3: and I said, my friend said, okay, we'll go into

30
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,960
Speaker 3: town one more time. If we don't see anything, let's

31
00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,399
Speaker 3: go home. And I said, great, this has been a

32
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,760
Speaker 3: total waste of time. We turned the car to go

33
00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,520
Speaker 3: back in, and the thing appeared from the left to

34
00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,880
Speaker 3: the right, and nobody in the car said, is that

35
00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,800
Speaker 3: what they're looking at? Is that what everyboy's looking just

36
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,800
Speaker 3: there is It's just like almost like it was like, Wow,

37
00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,400
Speaker 3: there are miracles there, actually are these kind of things happening.

38
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,600
Speaker 3: And it came in close enough the first night and

39
00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,680
Speaker 3: the second night came right at me and sort of

40
00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,200
Speaker 3: flew away. That I never ever doubted that UFO. So

41
00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,520
Speaker 3: I always think that the UFO community spends a lot

42
00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,600
Speaker 3: of time wasting time about the fact that UFOs exist.

43
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,560
Speaker 3: But I knew right from the word go there was

44
00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,560
Speaker 3: absolutely no way this was anything else, and I just

45
00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,120
Speaker 3: got obsessed with it. The second night it was flying away,

46
00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,760
Speaker 3: I wondered, what's it doing? It wasn't doing anything. It

47
00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,639
Speaker 3: was just sort of flying along at a very very

48
00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,120
Speaker 3: low speed, a plasma, red plasma object. And so I

49
00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,160
Speaker 3: spent my entire life trying to figure out that question,

50
00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,880
Speaker 3: what's it doing? What's really going on here? And I

51
00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 3: figured I didn't know, but there had to be someone

52
00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,480
Speaker 3: in the world who knew what was going on.

53
00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,600
Speaker 2: That's amazing. And now your new book, of course, is

54
00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,840
Speaker 2: the fourth in a series of the Disclosure Project, isn't it?

55
00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? And the fifth is sort of written, but I'm

56
00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,320
Speaker 3: not sure when I'll put it out. But this is

57
00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,079
Speaker 3: the fourth one. It started with the first one back

58
00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,520
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one when the Area fifty one story

59
00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,760
Speaker 3: was breaking and the Bob the Area fifty one story,

60
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,400
Speaker 3: and we had a number of interviews with a guy

61
00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,640
Speaker 3: by the name of doctor Eric Walker, who was the

62
00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,120
Speaker 3: former president of Penn State University. Had fourteen hours and

63
00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 3: your doctor degrees, was chairman of the board of the

64
00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,720
Speaker 3: major military think tank in the United States. He was

65
00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,040
Speaker 3: identified as one of the guys who started to cover

66
00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,760
Speaker 3: up with Vanovar Bush, and he answered a lot of

67
00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,840
Speaker 3: our questions in rhymes and riddles, told us we are

68
00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,680
Speaker 3: wasting our time. This is just curiosity. Why she changed

69
00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,360
Speaker 3: the rules and regulations satisfy your curiosity. And I just

70
00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,640
Speaker 3: went from person to person trying to figure out who knew.

71
00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,440
Speaker 3: That's why I spent maybe thirty years looking at the president,

72
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 3: because I figured, well, the president of the United States

73
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,120
Speaker 3: got to know. He's the most powerful guy in the world.

74
00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,880
Speaker 3: He's got to know. And that led to experiencers understanding

75
00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,160
Speaker 3: that there are people who are actually interacting with the phenomena.

76
00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,680
Speaker 3: So we spent a lot of time looking at UFO

77
00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,280
Speaker 3: sightings and colors of UFOs and stuff, and we have

78
00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,800
Speaker 3: totally ignored the people who are actually in contact with

79
00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,440
Speaker 3: the phenomena. And that's where I figured the answer had

80
00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,000
Speaker 3: to be. And so I spent a lot of time

81
00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 3: with experiencers, and I spent now a lot of time

82
00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,920
Speaker 3: with people who I believe are in the field, so

83
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,600
Speaker 3: we'd be people like trans channelers, trans mediums people like

84
00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,360
Speaker 3: that that. The idea is there's a field that has

85
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,080
Speaker 3: all the information in it, and from time to time

86
00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,080
Speaker 3: inventors and people can get intuitive insights. They get into

87
00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,400
Speaker 3: the field, get the material, and they're able to bring

88
00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,880
Speaker 3: it back into this world. So that's that's why I

89
00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,200
Speaker 3: spend a lot of my time trying to again answer

90
00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,280
Speaker 3: that question, what's really going on? Like, you know, what's

91
00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,839
Speaker 3: this all about? Why are we here, where we're going?

92
00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,000
Speaker 3: And what are we supposed to be doing while we're here?

93
00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,600
Speaker 3: And if this phenomenon is for real, what is it

94
00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,960
Speaker 3: and what's its message?

95
00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,520
Speaker 2: The title of the book is fascinating beyond Managing Magic,

96
00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,039
Speaker 2: let's talk about that. And then the second portion of

97
00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,000
Speaker 2: the title, landing the Plane, tell me about that.

98
00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, The Managing Magic was the original first

99
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,920
Speaker 3: book in the second book in the series, and that

100
00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,160
Speaker 3: was when I started to realize that it wasn't it

101
00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,279
Speaker 3: wasn't just you. They had to do with all sorts

102
00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,000
Speaker 3: of paranormal phenomena. You'll find, you know, a lot of

103
00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,840
Speaker 3: experiencers when they once they'd been abducted or had experiences,

104
00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,479
Speaker 3: suddenly become psychic. They got orbs flying around the house,

105
00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, they can't touch electrical equipment, all this kind

106
00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,960
Speaker 3: of stuff. And so it went back to a statement

107
00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,200
Speaker 3: made by a got named doctor Ronald Pandolfi, who is

108
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,680
Speaker 3: was rumored to be the guy around the weird desk

109
00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,040
Speaker 3: at the CIA who briefed presidents from Reagan all the

110
00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,440
Speaker 3: way through Trump. And in nineteen ninety one he had

111
00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,600
Speaker 3: an engagement with the guy that he had it would

112
00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,920
Speaker 3: have a thousand conversations with. His name was Dan Smith.

113
00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,440
Speaker 3: And Dan Smith reported to me that the first thing

114
00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,040
Speaker 3: ron said to him when he started talking about UFOs

115
00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240
Speaker 3: is we have a phenomenology problem. And that sort of

116
00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,560
Speaker 3: sums it up. It's not just UFOs, it's all these

117
00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,360
Speaker 3: different phenomena. It's all basically the same thing. And so

118
00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,599
Speaker 3: that was where I was. I used the word managing magic.

119
00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,920
Speaker 3: So it's not managing the UFO subject, it's managing magic.

120
00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,400
Speaker 3: Where the the CIA was talking about this phenomenology problem,

121
00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,880
Speaker 3: so they realized that it was much more complex than

122
00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,040
Speaker 3: just the UFO thing. It had to do with even

123
00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,080
Speaker 3: going back to the Canadian government in nineteen fifty, the

124
00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,280
Speaker 3: Canadian investigator top investigator went down to the United States

125
00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 3: and he made this top secret memo in which he said,

126
00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,919
Speaker 3: we were also told by Americans. He said, flying sauces exist.

127
00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,720
Speaker 3: It's most highly classified sou in the United States. We're

128
00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 3: also told by American officials that other things might be

129
00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,400
Speaker 3: associated with the flying saucers, such as mental phenomena. The

130
00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,400
Speaker 3: Americans aren't doing very well because they've said, if we're

131
00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,120
Speaker 3: working on the problem, they're willing to exchange credentials and

132
00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,200
Speaker 3: talk to us. So already nineteen fifty two years before

133
00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,240
Speaker 3: A Damski came forward and was the first guy to

134
00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,839
Speaker 3: sort of report talking to aliens. Before that, the Americans

135
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,880
Speaker 3: already knew that mental phenomena was involved. And I believe

136
00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,400
Speaker 3: probably the reason is that we now sort of believe

137
00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,360
Speaker 3: that the Roswell crash had three dead aliens and one

138
00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,640
Speaker 3: live alien, and the live alien was talking in people's heads.

139
00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,239
Speaker 3: And so if you're the military or the government, you say, like, wow,

140
00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,960
Speaker 3: would we love to love to be able to do

141
00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,360
Speaker 3: this talking people's heads and stuff. And so they knew

142
00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,440
Speaker 3: this mental phenomena thing. And that's where this thing about

143
00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,880
Speaker 3: it's magic. It's this whole suite of paranormal phenomena that

144
00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,000
Speaker 3: are all linked together, and the intelligence agencies know that,

145
00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,840
Speaker 3: and then the landing the plane was I've been at

146
00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,640
Speaker 3: this fifty years over fifty years now, and sometimes you

147
00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,360
Speaker 3: get very frustrated that you're not really getting anywhere. And

148
00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,880
Speaker 3: I've had a couple of sort of intuitive moments. I

149
00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,600
Speaker 3: had one in twenty twelve, one in twenty sixteen, and

150
00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,880
Speaker 3: then the one with the plane happened just when I

151
00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640
Speaker 3: was looking at writing this book, and it said, what

152
00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,120
Speaker 3: are you worrying about? Like, it's what are you so concerned?

153
00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,640
Speaker 3: Don't worry. We know how to land the plane. And

154
00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,400
Speaker 3: it sort of occurred to me that the phenomena is

155
00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 3: actually in charge of the situation. And you'll hear a

156
00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,480
Speaker 3: lot of other people talking about that as well, and

157
00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,080
Speaker 3: it's almost like they've done this on a thousand different planets.

158
00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,040
Speaker 3: They know exactly what to do. For eighteen ninety seventy

159
00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,360
Speaker 3: sent in the wooden ships with the propellers. Then you

160
00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,920
Speaker 3: send the food fighters. Then the food fighters will go away,

161
00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,240
Speaker 3: and the green fireballs come in, and then the green fireballs,

162
00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,480
Speaker 3: then the dampski crafts come in, and then you start

163
00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 3: abducting people, and then the triangles come and now it's

164
00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,120
Speaker 3: orbs and there's landing traces. Now there's no landing traces,

165
00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,880
Speaker 3: and there's no crop circles. Now there's crop circles, and

166
00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,720
Speaker 3: you just do all these various things as if they're

167
00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,520
Speaker 3: working this plan. So I spent a lot of time

168
00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what are they actually up to,

169
00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,080
Speaker 3: how are they getting this message across? And that comes

170
00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,320
Speaker 3: down to this thing that they basically, it came to me,

171
00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,240
Speaker 3: almost with absolute certainty, was don't worry. We know how

172
00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,000
Speaker 3: to land the plane. Quit worrying about how this is

173
00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,120
Speaker 3: going to all turn out. We know what we're doing.

174
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,360
Speaker 3: And you'll hear over and over again other people talk

175
00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,199
Speaker 3: about this as well, that they believe that the government

176
00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,520
Speaker 3: is not controlling it. The phenomena is actually controlling what's

177
00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:49,959
Speaker 3: going on.

178
00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,200
Speaker 2: Fascinating and it truly is incredible work that you do. Grant,

179
00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,679
Speaker 2: Are we getting any closer? Oh?

180
00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,880
Speaker 3: I think we're getting closer. I mean we're talking about disclosure.

181
00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,000
Speaker 3: And there's now sort of an idea that when Trump

182
00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,720
Speaker 3: came in that Trump would disclose because he was sort

183
00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,800
Speaker 3: of like the wild man that you know, would talk

184
00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,320
Speaker 3: about everything. And I say, in fact, it was the

185
00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,559
Speaker 3: Biden that came the closest that at one point. If

186
00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,120
Speaker 3: you remember the Schumer Amendment where they had the Schumer Amendment,

187
00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,319
Speaker 3: it was it passed in the Senate Intelligence Committee eighteen

188
00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,520
Speaker 3: to zero. The Senate had passed it, it went to the House,

189
00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,640
Speaker 3: and it was only two guys. It was two Republicans,

190
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,280
Speaker 3: the head of the arm Armed Services and the head

191
00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,080
Speaker 3: of Intelligence, who blocked it. If it had not been

192
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,480
Speaker 3: for those two guys, or if the Democrats had had

193
00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,680
Speaker 3: six more votes, we would have disclosure today. Because that

194
00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,080
Speaker 3: was the amendment that said there would be a presidential

195
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 3: panel underneath the president with nine people on it, and

196
00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,360
Speaker 3: they would have subpoena power to call in the contractors

197
00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,800
Speaker 3: and force them to testify, and they were able to

198
00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,840
Speaker 3: do the imminet domain where they would grab the material,

199
00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,080
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff, and it was just it

200
00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,000
Speaker 3: was blocked in the House, that's all it was. And

201
00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,000
Speaker 3: so if these two guys hadn't blocked it and forced

202
00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,160
Speaker 3: a sort of a party line vote, we would have

203
00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,160
Speaker 3: disclosure today. And so they lost that. Now they're trying

204
00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,680
Speaker 3: to reintroduce it. But basically, what you have as a

205
00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,839
Speaker 3: situation where uh, you're you're going to get a lot

206
00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,840
Speaker 3: of stuff except for the real high end stuff, because

207
00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,840
Speaker 3: I've always maintained that the government is leaking material. They're

208
00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,720
Speaker 3: sort of trying to get ahead of the story. They're

209
00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,320
Speaker 3: trying to be in control of what's happening, so they

210
00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:35,240
Speaker 3: they control a story. But the real stuff as to

211
00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,560
Speaker 3: how the crafts work and the bodies, that that kind

212
00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,959
Speaker 3: of biological stuff, that's a race between China and Russia,

213
00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,240
Speaker 3: and everybody knows, like the even the telepathy thing. I mean,

214
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,640
Speaker 3: if you have the telepathy thing, uh, you've got to

215
00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,080
Speaker 3: realize that the Intelligence Committee, you know, they trade their

216
00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,400
Speaker 3: firstborn son to get that kind of stuff. Or in

217
00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,520
Speaker 3: the one book I talked about, uh, I wrote a

218
00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,400
Speaker 3: book on apportations, which is the phenomena where you're able

219
00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,760
Speaker 3: to take an object movement from one place to another

220
00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,520
Speaker 3: sort of instantaneously. And you have this happens in a

221
00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,080
Speaker 3: lot in Seance's and stuff. And there's actually a Defense

222
00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,680
Speaker 3: intelligence document from nineteen seventy three that talks about this

223
00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,840
Speaker 3: that said, if we can, if we can perfect the

224
00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,880
Speaker 3: airport technology, we could go to the Russians. We could

225
00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,400
Speaker 3: go into the vault, get the documents, bring them back

226
00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,040
Speaker 3: to Washington, DC photocopy, then put them back in the

227
00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,160
Speaker 3: vault and the Russians would never even know we were there.

228
00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,840
Speaker 3: And so all these kinds of things have these military

229
00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,760
Speaker 3: applications that if you can move stuff around, if you

230
00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,520
Speaker 3: talk in Putin's head, if you can appear and disappear

231
00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,960
Speaker 3: abduct people, that nobody can stop you. I mean that

232
00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,920
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. That's high end stuff that I don't

233
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,800
Speaker 3: think you're ever going to get at. But in terms

234
00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,880
Speaker 3: of lower disclosure, I think the Congress is putting a

235
00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,480
Speaker 3: lot of heat. And what's going to happen is it's

236
00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,079
Speaker 3: going to be a situation where people say that people

237
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,520
Speaker 3: will be frightened. But I remember back the day when

238
00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,640
Speaker 3: they said, you know, if they said the government was

239
00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,160
Speaker 3: working on it, you know they'd be the stock market

240
00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,600
Speaker 3: meltdown and people jump off bridges and stuff like that.

241
00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,960
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, the New York Times comes up with

242
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 3: an article and says, oh, it's true the government is

243
00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,600
Speaker 3: working on UFOs. It's true. They lied all these years,

244
00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,680
Speaker 3: and everybody's yeah, I knew that already, And I say now,

245
00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,679
Speaker 3: I would maintain that the way this thing has been

246
00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,480
Speaker 3: rolled out, that they could say the government could stand

247
00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,800
Speaker 3: up right now and say we got bodies and crafts

248
00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,240
Speaker 3: and everybody say, yeah, I know that already. Nobody would

249
00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 3: be shocked. They would just want the next thing. Okay,

250
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,520
Speaker 3: where are they from? So there is a gradual disclosure

251
00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,040
Speaker 3: of the items, and basically it may take a number

252
00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,960
Speaker 3: of more years, or it may have this thing where

253
00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,959
Speaker 3: you hear a lot of these rumors about twenty twenty seven.

254
00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,720
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of rumors about there's going to be

255
00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,360
Speaker 3: some contact made in twenty twenty seven, and so that

256
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,320
Speaker 3: may happen again. That's where the phenomenon is controlling when

257
00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,600
Speaker 3: the contact will take place.

258
00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,960
Speaker 2: Grantee if retired CIA officer Jim sent Man has been

259
00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,120
Speaker 2: very vocal about this, and he's a key figure in

260
00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,319
Speaker 2: your book, isn't he Yeah.

261
00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,280
Speaker 3: He's one of the people that I would say that

262
00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,200
Speaker 3: you listen to his interviews, all his interviews, and then

263
00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,319
Speaker 3: you listened two three times. I think he's on the level.

264
00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:19,120
Speaker 3: He's a guy who had an encounter in his bedroom.

265
00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,880
Speaker 3: He was very upset about it, very angry that they

266
00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,000
Speaker 3: violated his rights and stuff like that, which I thought

267
00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,000
Speaker 3: was kind of weird because he was the top spy

268
00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,760
Speaker 3: for the CIA. He ran the covert ops and the

269
00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,000
Speaker 3: question to him would be well, did you ask permission

270
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 3: when he stole stuff? And you know there are all

271
00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,840
Speaker 3: sorts of stuff in foreign countries that you thought was right.

272
00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,720
Speaker 3: And he had him as one of the top ten

273
00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,480
Speaker 3: UFO settings of all times, the fact that he had

274
00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,040
Speaker 3: this experience in his bedroom with his wife with these beings,

275
00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,480
Speaker 3: because he became absolutely down the rabbit hole like the

276
00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,400
Speaker 3: rest of us, and he got this very high position.

277
00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,880
Speaker 3: And he's actually the guy they went to all the

278
00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,560
Speaker 3: three letter agencies and said to them, you guys said

279
00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,800
Speaker 3: your chance to get this out, you didn't get it out.

280
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,640
Speaker 3: We're dropping this thing. We're not going to release classified material.

281
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000
Speaker 3: He's the guy behind this modern UFO disclosure that's happening

282
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,720
Speaker 3: in the Senate with the videos coming out, with Alizondo

283
00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,760
Speaker 3: coming forward all that. Semivan was behind all of that.

284
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,080
Speaker 3: And so you have a situation where he would not

285
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,640
Speaker 3: have done that if he had to have this experience.

286
00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,640
Speaker 3: And now we have this thing unraveling where there are

287
00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,440
Speaker 3: people inside government who believe they want it out and

288
00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,520
Speaker 3: they are pushing as much as they can, but Jim

289
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,440
Speaker 3: semi Van will say that you're not You're not going

290
00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 3: to get anything beyond just the basic admission.

291
00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,280
Speaker 2: We've been talking about lately abductees and how it seems

292
00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,240
Speaker 2: like the abductee situation has diminished over the years. Have

293
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 2: you found that to be the case.

294
00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's one of the things I point out

295
00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,920
Speaker 3: because I started in seventy five, so I've done it

296
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,360
Speaker 3: for fifty years. And I always try to remind the

297
00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,520
Speaker 3: young research because a lot of researchers came in in

298
00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, and I always tell them, you've got to

299
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,960
Speaker 3: realize this thing has changed, that the phenomena is morphing.

300
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't do the same thing all the time. So

301
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,480
Speaker 3: there are no more UFO settings with windows, there are

302
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,200
Speaker 3: no landing traces. Remember these the land four thousand cases.

303
00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,640
Speaker 2: And then I burn burned out areas and all that.

304
00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,000
Speaker 3: None of those have those have been happened for twenty

305
00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,920
Speaker 3: five years. At least, there hasn't been one of those

306
00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,000
Speaker 3: for twenty five years. So the phenomena keeps changing. It's

307
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,840
Speaker 3: doing this, it's doing that, and it's morphing. So we

308
00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,360
Speaker 3: always have to realize that things will change. Like Caldum

309
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,840
Speaker 3: relations really don't happen anymore either. And so when you

310
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,200
Speaker 3: get this the induction thing, it may be the same

311
00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,720
Speaker 3: sort of thing where they do it. It's almost like

312
00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,840
Speaker 3: I sort of have it, like I call it the

313
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,240
Speaker 3: theory of wow, where if you're on another planet and

314
00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,360
Speaker 3: they give this the class from grade one to grade

315
00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,280
Speaker 3: six and they say, Okay, we got this planet. We

316
00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,960
Speaker 3: got to raise the consciousness of this planet. They've got

317
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,600
Speaker 3: the atomic bomb and stuff. What do you want to do?

318
00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,880
Speaker 3: In the grade one class says, oh, let's fly some

319
00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,520
Speaker 3: objects around they have lights on them. Good idea. And

320
00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,840
Speaker 3: then the second grade classes, okay, let's abduct some people.

321
00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,080
Speaker 3: In the third grade classes, let's mediate some cattle. And

322
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,320
Speaker 3: there's all these different ideas as to how we're going

323
00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,000
Speaker 3: to raise consciousness, and the abduction thing may just be one.

324
00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,320
Speaker 3: Although even the abduction thing is when you start looking

325
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,360
Speaker 3: at it, it looks a little more complex that nobody sees

326
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,440
Speaker 3: anybody being abducted, and then you get a very high

327
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,000
Speaker 3: percentage say that they were actually out of their body

328
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,720
Speaker 3: when it happened. And the phenomena is very hard to

329
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 3: follow because the more you look at it, the more

330
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,720
Speaker 3: complex it gets. It just gets weirder and weirder and weirder,

331
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,360
Speaker 3: and the phenomena just keeps sort of upping the weirdness

332
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,800
Speaker 3: aspect of this thing. And I thought it was very

333
00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,520
Speaker 3: simple and seventy five was going to be extraterrestrials. Now

334
00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,240
Speaker 3: I even doubt whether there's going to be extratrestials. And

335
00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,360
Speaker 3: that's what you're going to get people like Jim semi

336
00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,120
Speaker 3: Van and government officials where you'll never hear them talk

337
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,840
Speaker 3: about extraterrestrials. They'll always say, we don't have any evidence

338
00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:00,480
Speaker 3: for extraterrestrial visitation. But the butt they have bodies crafts,

339
00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,440
Speaker 3: and Semiban says, because you have bodies and crafts doesn't

340
00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,600
Speaker 3: mean you know what you're dealing with. And that's why

341
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,400
Speaker 3: him and Tom DeLong they call them the others. So

342
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,879
Speaker 3: there's this sort of a hint on the inside that

343
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,439
Speaker 3: this may not be as extraterrestrial as people think it is.

344
00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's fascinating, and it's happening faster than we can

345
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,439
Speaker 2: even keep track of it, isn't it.

346
00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's moving at an in trouble rate. And now

347
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,800
Speaker 3: I've got dragged down the rabbit hole of AI and

348
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,680
Speaker 3: that is absolutely unbelievable what you can do with AI.

349
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,080
Speaker 3: So it's very if you remember back in the old days,

350
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,879
Speaker 3: I mean, we used to write letters to each other.

351
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,480
Speaker 3: I mean, this is how research was done. You find

352
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 3: out something, a rumor about some guy, you'd write a

353
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,680
Speaker 3: letter and three weeks that you get your answer. Now

354
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,720
Speaker 3: everything's happening at the speed of light. It's just absolutely

355
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,720
Speaker 3: incredible that you can put all your material that you

356
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,040
Speaker 3: want in there and just get the AI to pull

357
00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,000
Speaker 3: everything out. So and that's something Jack by Lay talked

358
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,600
Speaker 3: about for years and years and years how AI would

359
00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,960
Speaker 3: change the situation. And I believe we're moving at almost

360
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 3: like at light speed now in terms of being able

361
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,439
Speaker 3: to assimulate material and talk to people instantaneously, and the

362
00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,720
Speaker 3: number of podcasts that are coming out. We even have,

363
00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,560
Speaker 3: you know, a situation where the telepathy tapes, you know,

364
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,480
Speaker 3: related phenomena and Christmas Day had one and a half

365
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,800
Speaker 3: million hits. So we always complained about the paranormal we

366
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,359
Speaker 3: don't get any respect, and now we have the top

367
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,679
Speaker 3: podcast in the world, so you can see that the

368
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,080
Speaker 3: paranormal phenomena is not the scourge that it used to be.

369
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,880
Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at

370
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,840
Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam

371
00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 1: dot com. For more,