WEBVTT - Ep. 411: Boned from the Right, Boned from the Left 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:24.440 predict anything presented by First Light, creating proven versatile hunting 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.840 apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. For every hunt, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:37.960 first Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer. Okay, we're recording in Sonora, Mexico, 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.720 but I need to start. I need to start the 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.879 show with with distressing news from the United States of America, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:53.400 which is only fourteen miles away. Yeah, so it's comforting 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.800 in some way covering American news from Mexico. Here's the 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.520 headline from the New York Times. Biden moves to end 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.000 donnut lures and other bear hunting tactics in Alaska. This 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:10.080 is the story that never goes away. One might see 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:15.040 that and think, uh, well that sounds horrible. Don't ut lures, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.119 I don't like that, um, and then be happy about 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.920 what's going on. This this story we have reported on. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.320 This is one of those seesaw stories that comes up 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:31.120 as as administrations change. Um. It's also one of the 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.120 stories I always feel like that I should I should 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:35.720 get to be the one that writes the article because 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:41.080 I would write it different than everybody else. Let me 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:47.200 back up to explain what's going on up until no 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.040 I'm trying to think of how far back to go. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:54.360 I'm gonna go pretty far back. When Alaska became a state. A. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.480 I'm not gonna get into great deal detail on this, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.840 but people can go look into this. When Alaska be 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:04.919 am a state, an issue a negotiating point was wildlife 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:10.959 management in Alaska okay um, meaning Alaska want to hang 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:16.320 onto its wildlife management and Alaska has some management issues 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.200 in the state where they have a thing called subsistence hunting. Okay. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:26.320 When Alaska looks at the finite resource, which would be 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:34.200 fishing game, Alaska always will favor subsistence practices. Okay. If 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.840 you are a person like me who lives in the 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.000 lower forty eight and goes into Alaska to hunt, you 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:47.040 are the lowest priority in in Alaska wildlife management. The 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:55.600 highest priority in Alaska wildlife management is subsistence users. Next 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.640 to that, sitting below subsistence users are certain commercial practices. Okay, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:05.079 So like commercial fishing, um, the guiding industry. Okay, they're 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.519 gonna get it. So let's say you have a finite 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:13.720 resource like salmon is a finite resource. Top of the 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.720 stack are going to be the needs of subsistence users 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.960 who rely on phish and game for the for to 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:25.000 eat for sustenance. There they get first DIBs. Second DIBs 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:30.280 would be the commercial industry. Third DIBs would be recreationalists. Okay, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.959 most states that that that don't have that subsistence thing 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.280 will look at it'll be it'll be commercial, recreational and 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.720 those are the competing interests. But Alaska, you have a 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.160 third competing interest, which is subsistence. So keep that in 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.840 the back of your head as you hear we're talking about. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:54.920 Alaska uses predator management, as do many states in lower 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:02.520 forty eight. Alaska uses predator management on the apologetically two 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:08.240 increase and hold stable populations of big game. And they 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.640 don't do this like it's a naughty little secret. It's like, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:16.200 in my view, in Alaska's view, there is absolutely nothing 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:21.680 wrong with saying we would like to have we would 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:27.280 like to increase big game numbers at the expense of 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.640 some predators in order to be able to provide big 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:40.320 game resources to subsistence users too, guides and outfitters to recreationalists. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.680 They look, and it's like there's a lever that you 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:47.600 can move, you can reduce predators, big game populations. It's 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:53.480 it's a thing that they do in order to reduce 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.479 predator numbers. They have a number, they have things at 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:02.039 their disposal. It could be it could hiring people to 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.560 go into airplanes an airplane gun for wolves. I remember 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.200 that because when when when Palin? How do you feel 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.080 about Palin? When Palin really became in the spotlight as 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:19.800 John McCain's running mate under her governorship in Alaska, they 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.880 had done aerial wolf shooting as a predator management tool, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.279 and I feel like a lot of Americans got the 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:33.480 idea that that Sarah Palin herself was the wolf gunner. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.920 It was sort of like really laid on her doorstep. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:42.640 But this is a historic practice that that long predated Palin. Okay, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.360 this is the thing that since since aircraft came into being, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.320 they have been using aircraft to control wolf numbers. Another 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:54.000 thing they'll do to control predator numbers is rather than 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.480 have it be a state sponsored activity paid for by 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.720 the state, you can control old predator numbers through the 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:10.680 lever of subsistence hunter practices, recreational hunter practices guiding outfitter practices, 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:16.320 meaning you can make predator hunting easier and more productive 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:22.760 by having certain management strategies in place. Now, some of 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:28.239 these management strategies people find distasteful when they hear about 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.360 them out of context and in isolation. For instance, if 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.479 I told you Um about going that someone was gonna 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:40.599 go in den dig for black bears, you would be, oh, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:50.120 how heartless and horrible. Well on the Koyukon people Um, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.760 who are from the vicinity of the Koyakok River which 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:59.960 flows into the Yukon, they felt uh when the anthropologists 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.880 Richard K. Nelson spent time with them. They had explained 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.200 to Richard K. Nelson that they felt that it was 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.720 unethical to kill a bear otherwise than to dig it 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.440 out of its den. That the shooting up and out 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.640 of the ground was not acceptable. If you wanted to 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:22.240 hunt bears, you went to You knew through ancestral knowledge 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.360 and through your own discoveries. You knew where bears denned, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.000 You knew den sits, and when you went out for bears, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.840 you went in the winter and you crawled into bear 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.280 dens to check if they're being occupied. And that is 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.920 how a real hunter hundred bears. And a thing that 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.560 we all know now and like it has broader and 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.400 broader buy in is that you do not go in 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.360 in uh. You know, there's there's this sort of de 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.960 facto reverence for hunter gatherer practices, like it was how 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.240 it was done. Okay, So in Alaska there are places 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:04.920 historically where it has been legal two den dig for bears. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.280 It was legal ton dig for bears. It was a 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:12.360 customary practice to den dig for bears before there was law, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.400 before there was state law or federal law. People were 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.280 den digging bears. That's how they were doing it. There's 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.240 another management practice in Alaska that gets a lot of criticism, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:27.800 and this is the practice of shooting swimming animals. Okay, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.400 in a lot of states, you simply cannot shoot a 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.839 swimming animal. However, there are areas in Alaska that are 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:38.520 extraordinarily remote and you can only get to them by 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.520 air or by boat, and subsistence hunters have historically hundred 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.040 in some of these areas by going into these areas 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.959 and penetrating these areas the only way one can, which 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.520 is by boat. And the caribou hunting practice would be 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:58.240 that you would go to these known crossings during caribou migrations, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.800 and you would take boat there and set up a 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.480 camp at a cariboo crossing, and you would hunt caribou 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.760 as they were crossing the river out of boats. It 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.640 had been done prior with at laddles and spears. As 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.960 firearms came into being, it made it became the practice. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.920 You can't get them any other place than to catch 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.640 them crossing the river in a vast wilderness. So, prior 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.680 to law, prior to state law, prior to federal law, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.800 it was a practice in certain places to hunt caribou 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.640 that were swimming because you're killing them at fords. And 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.079 it's how indigenous hunters had done it, and other people 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.640 that followed in their path had done it, and they 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:47.199 that practice had become codified into law because it was 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:52.840 historic use. What's another one we covered den dig and Oh, 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.920 another one would be um that when you're trying to 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:00.000 lower wolf numbers in order to increase cariboan moose numbers, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:06.360 that you might allow the killing of wolf pops. Okay, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:13.520 because from the manager's perspective, you're trying to raise prey numbers, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.960 you're trying to raise meat for humans and in order 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.240 to raise meat for humans. As the level you can 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.240 pull is killing wolves. I guess looking at it, the 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:28.560 wolf that's getting killed in predator control um doesn't feel 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:35.120 better or worse about his death, knowing what his ages meaning. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.160 A five year old wolf isn't like, oh, I understand, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.320 shoot me, I'm five, but a one year old wolf 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.040 would be like, oh, the horror and sin. It's like, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.680 it's you're you're reducing wolf numbers and you're just gonna 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.199 do it the most productive way you can think of, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:56.559 which should be reduced wolf numbers. So these practices are historic. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.959 Practices have always been in place in Alaska. I'm getting 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.600 to the part that burns my U. We haven't got 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.040 there yet. Well, no, because this is the thing Like 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.480 like everyone that writes about this, every I haven't even 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.160 gotten to the to the whip saw. I haven't even 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.600 gotten to the whipsaw. Party joined a Day by Jason Phelps, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:20.480 Clay Nwcomb, Clay Newcomb, Nwcomb, Bridget Newton in first, like 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.679 Matt Cook, who's been on the show before, it has 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.840 yet to speak, but he has a question. I have 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.680 a question, and for the first time, Jason Bergsman, the 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.280 last of the old Kusman. You have a question just 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.440 on what it covered. Do you have a question. I 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.240 haven't got to the part, but go ahead. I have 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.120 a question. We're laying the ground. How does a rancher 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:45.000 who you know, has predation problems and poisons like a wolf, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.040 how does that fit in two that that's a that's 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.760 a non thing. Okay, yeah, that's a non thing. Um. Now, 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.400 if you were to go and read, if you were 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.800 going to read um Alaska's Wolfman, about one of the 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.840 first wolf guys that went up into Alaska. I think 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:09.080 he became active in the twenties. UM. And at the 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.240 they were they were there's this there's this book, Alaska's 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.360 wolf Man. It's it's a fascinating read. And he goes 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:16.880 up and he goes out to work for the state 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.960 of Alaska on wolf control, typically in areas where caribou 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.480 herds have been greatly depleted, and later in areas where 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:30.359 they were doing economic development and they were going to UM. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.199 He spends a bunch of time up by cots of 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.480 you whereas an economic development plan they were trying to 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:42.680 get Native Alaskans set up in the reindeer herding business. Okay, Okay, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.920 they were trying to stabilize food resources and get them 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.960 set up to be reindeer herders. But they would bring 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.160 in these reindeer herds and they would just get decimated 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.400 by wolves. Then in Alaska's Wolfman, he goes from being 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.320 just a gun hunter, like doing wolf control with guns, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.679 and then he gets do poisons. And I think he's 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.440 he's getting into poisons even in the nineteen fifties, and 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.920 just how amazingly effective that's yeah, Like he talks about 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.040 just how astonishingly effective the poisons are. Like he'll go 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.480 he he talks about going into an area this is 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.880 near costs Abue. He goes into an area with poison 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.200 pellets and he would just go out and shoot something 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.400 and lace it. And he gets to where he feels 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.000 he's killed every wolf. There's no wolves left. A guy 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.000 reports to him they saw like seven gray wolves and 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:35.160 two black wolves come across the ice, come across some 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.640 bay and get into the area he's in. And he's like, 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.200 sure enough. A couple days later, he goes to one 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.680 of his bait stations. There's seven gray wolves and two 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.800 black wolves laying dead at his bait station. Like astonishingly effective. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.240 When we talk about wolfers in the lower forty eight 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:55.160 they were poisoning wolves, not as predator control, I mean 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.800 they did eventually, but the first guy's poisoning wolves, and 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.120 even starting in the eighteen sixties, they were poisoning wolves 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.800 for the wolf hide trade. And they would use strict nine. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.200 You would shoot an animal, gash it, cut gashes in it, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.880 and mix of just like an infintestinal amount of strict nine. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.400 I think they would mix it with water and scatter 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.320 it on the carcass, and then you'd wait a while 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.360 and go and pick it up. In Life, and there's 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:22.720 a book, Life and Death of the Mouth of the 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.120 Muscle Shell, which is a guy's journal, and he'll talk 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.840 about going and checking his bait stations and coming back 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.040 with with forty wolves. He also talks about I can't 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.840 remember which tribe, but the tribe a tribal representative coming 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.840 into his establishment at the Mouth of the Muscle Shell 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.400 where the muscle shell flows into the Missouri's underwater now 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.680 because the Fort Peck Reservoir. A guy comes in and 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.200 it has a gripe about the wolf baiting practices because 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.440 they were traveling through the area and lost twenty four 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:58.440 of their dogs to these guys strict nine baits. So 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.560 they were wolfers, and they wolfers because at that time 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.560 there was a fad that when you had a wagon, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.560 there was a it was fashionable to have a wolf 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.600 pelt blanket, got it for your guests in your wagon. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.640 So on a cold day, you get into your wagon, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.880 you'd want to be able to have your guests cover 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.240 up with a wolf pelt blanket. And that drove the 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.360 wolf for poison trade, and then in time it became 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.640 um they were poisoning for for predator control. And then 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.080 eventually the practice of poisoning wolves was eliminated. But they'll 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.160 still in place, they'll still use this little gun was 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.280 that you know the name of that thing. Basically, a 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:46.560 coyote takes a bait and it have you heard that 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.160 the capsule delivers it. But it has to be like 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.160 you're not just lacing baits. Alaska's wolfman, he'll talk about 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.920 going into his laced baits and he's got birds, he's 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:05.280 got wolverines, he's got is everything scattered around dead? Uh, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.080 But that's not that's not a thing they're doing right now. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.360 And I would also argue if if if they were 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.040 using poisons right now in Alaska for predator control, you 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.360 would lose the ability to talk. What I was just 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.960 trying to do is laying out that these are historic 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:26.160 use practices that if if we're gonna go look, if 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.160 you're gonna go look in wild game management and you're 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.200 gonna go look at like what's ethical, what's not ethical? Um, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.640 it's all it's so arbitrary and so personal. I think 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:45.240 that that Alaska's I think Alaska is great about acknowledging 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:51.800 and protecting traditional use practices, even if even if preserving 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.120 traditional use practices might come at the expense of allowing 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.440 new technologies. They were one of the first states. I 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.000 think they might have been the first state I heard 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:05.440 of that with drones. They were done with drones before 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.680 other people started to address the question. Someone could correct 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:11.800 me if I'm wrong, But I think that they might 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.600 have been the first state and then and then like 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.199 a bunch of Western states followed. They might have been 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.239 the first state to be like no on drones. So 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.520 it's not that like Alaska doesn't have a come one, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.119 come all, kill them all by any means necessary policy. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:34.040 They follow traditional use practices. It's not you know, and 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.879 the new stuff they might go and get rid of. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.720 So they were like early on guys, you could you 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.960 could use you can picture how clay, you could picture this, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.560 how effective drones would be for hunting moose. You're in 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.680 willow flats, everything's twelve feet high. You have this big 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.920 black animal. You know what's right. It's got to be 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.640 right around you in a willow flats, the paddles. It's 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.159 not like you're not it's not gonna hide from a drone. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.560 And they right away were like, no on drones. But 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.080 but in places you can take a bear out of 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.000 its hole. But this get this gives me the second 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.040 part of what burns masks about this whole thing that 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.240 was the first. No, just that's just background because I'm 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.080 trying to establish. Keep in mind these management practices that 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:19.400 Alaska has. Okay, now let's look at the restraint with 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:26.840 which they will exercise them. Okay, go to Region two 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.600 of Alaska. In Region two of Alaska, which is Prince 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.600 of Wales Island. Get Unit two or whatever the region 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.520 I think they call the units unit to Prince Wales 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:43.040 on Alaska. Black bears a predator. Okay, you can't hunt 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.879 it from not only like, you can't hunt it from 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:51.480 a boat. You cannot legally that the ruthless state of 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.600 Alaska that just wants to kill all the predators. If 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.000 you're in Prince Wales Island, you have to have your 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.159 feet on the ground. You cannot shoot a black or 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.160 from a boat. You cannot shoot a saw. You can't 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:08.840 shoot cubs. You can't shoot a saw with cubs. You 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:16.200 have salvage requirements always the skull meet in the spring, meeting, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.120 hide in the spring, hide in the fall. You have 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.360 a permit draw where if you're a nonresident, you have 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.080 about a chance of getting an opportunity to hunt one 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:38.240 of these predators at all. No den digging. Okay. Because 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.040 they have a management practice in their toolbox does not 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:46.480 mean they universally exercise it. Okay, It's just a thing 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.119 they have the ability to do. But generally, all of 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.920 these practices that I'm naming out, generally you can't. Generally 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:59.240 they don't in places they do. During the Obama administration, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.760 the Feds came to say to Alaska, they came and 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.040 made this this this this this like like very arbitrary 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.720 seeming designation where the national like through the National Parks 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:18.160 or if they come and said, we're gonna eliminate Alaska's 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:22.040 ability to exercise certain practices that they may or may 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:27.880 not currently be exercising on refuge land, on federal refuge land. 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.600 So here you have a state that has game management 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:36.080 authority in their state. The Feds manage a ton of 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.760 land in Alaska. But that's that's always like, that's the 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.440 system of checks and balances that exists all over the US. 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:46.520 You have tons of federal land on which the wildlife 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.520 on that land is managed by the state. It's it's 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.920 a phenomenal system. I never credit like like I love 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:56.879 federally managed managed land. I'm suspicious of federal wildlife management 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.800 when it supersedes a state's management decision, especially in the 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:06.320 case like Alaska's where they still have grizzly bears across 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.440 like of their historic range. We in the Lower forty 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.879 eight can't say the same thing we have. We we 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.040 wiped them out in Lower forty eight. They didn't wipe 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.160 theirs out. They have wolves across the entirety of their 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:24.120 historic range. Do we know they didn't wipe theirs out? 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.119 They have their entire suite of megafauna still intact. We don't. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.080 They haven't wiped theirs out. So when you go and 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.400 look and be like, oh, Alaska needs have changed their ways, 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:42.439 by what evidence, they haven't. They haven't committed any sins 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:48.520 against God in terms of eliminating animals from the landscape. 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.040 So to go and and and and and to go 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.560 to them and say to them, oh, your management practices, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.120 what you may or may not be doing right now, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.880 can no longer be applied on refuge lands. And under 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.800 Obama they made it be the on percent of the 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.040 state is what it winds up being. In our efforts 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.000 to save the world, We're going to tell Alaska, cent 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.919 of their state, they no longer have authority to do 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.760 management practices that they may or may not be exercising 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:23.199 him Obama brought that in. So Obama interrupted over a 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:28.520 hundred years of practices that just that worked. That that 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.359 we have the evidence that they were sorry, not not 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.760 what the hell they become a state? Okay? So now 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.880 I was wrong, not a hundred years what Okay? So 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.080 the state had been an entity in and of itself. 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.080 It had been a state and with a game and 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.280 they had a game agency prior to statehood. But like 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.880 whatever you had statehood, Alaska Department of Fishing Game comes 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:54.119 into being. They have predator management, but they still have 0:22:54.240 --> 0:23:00.879 intact predator the completely intact menagerie of predators still occupying 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:05.919 the entirety of their historic landscape. But the Feds say, 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:07.800 you can't do these things that you may or may 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.480 not be doing on little chunks of land where we 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:17.240 oversee the land designation. Obama does that. Now Trump undoes it. 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:23.840 So Obama upset a long history of status quo and 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.560 the way this was treated in the press when Trump 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.600 undid it. All Trump did is Trump undid a very 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.960 short thing. But how was it treated in the press. 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:34.840 It was like it was in the press. They treated 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.760 like Trump decided one day he woke up and said, 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:42.800 I think I think that in Alaska they should start 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:48.800 digging wolves out of their dens in and digging bears 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:50.359 out of their dens. I think that that's what it 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:55.840 should be. And so he simply undid a a a 0:23:56.119 --> 0:24:00.399 prohibition that was still in its infancy, or turned it 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.679 to what it was four years ago exactly. But it 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:08.560 was treated like Trump administration decides to allow bears to 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:11.919 be dug from their den The horror is that not 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.359 just like a classic virtue signaling. Not to use a 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.680 political hot button word, but I mean, like the former 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.080 administration shutting that down just because they didn't like the 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:27.160 idea we're looking for something to grab onto that just 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.960 would get a rise out of people. I mean, it's 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:34.199 just like virtue signaling. I I'm like, maybe one of 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:38.680 the only few people on the planet. Um, No, there's 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.640 a couple more they can be like, uh, the con 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:43.439 sort out, you know, because like a lot of things, like, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:44.960 no matter what Trump did, a lot of people they're 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.520 just gonna hate it mm hmm. And there's a lot 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.480 of people that are just gonna love it right, they're 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.280 they're pre wired, and you're one of the few people 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.480 on the planet that can sort that out navigating. I 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.840 feel like I'm I feel like I have an extraordinary 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:03.280 ability to look at record issue by issue and divorce 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:09.720 the policy from the noise. Yeah, and all the guy 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:17.000 did was he said the guy before me overreached. It 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.840 was contentious. It was an insult to Alaska ficient game, 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.159 it was an insult to the state of Alaska. They 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.760 should not have done that and put it back to 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:32.680 the way it was. But now Lo and Behold, here's 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:39.760 the final thing that was the backstory to this. Here 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:45.840 we are Biden moves to end donut lures, like like 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:52.280 the Times suddenly interested in like a specific strategy. Like 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:55.640 they're like, like, they're gonna end donut lures. Okay, they're 0:25:55.680 --> 0:26:00.400 gonna end the placing of donuts for bait, which leave 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.080 like a guy who let's say that there's a guy 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.400 using dog food coded in molasses? Is he at home going? 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:11.560 I guess I'm safe. No, they're ending donut lures. It's 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.520 like the Times all of sudden becomes interested in like 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.160 the specificity of the date of the bait. Why because 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:22.400 this sounds particularly egregious. They're not ending the use of donuts. 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.639 It's baiting. Yeah, I was gonna say that, Like where 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.760 does the interest in debit item come from? And why 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.919 did they not say Why did they not say moves 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:42.399 to end, burnt honeycomb moves to end. So that's not 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.720 a joke, salmon carcasses, doughnut lures. The Times is focused 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:51.240 on the use of donuts. Biden moves to end donut lures. 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.359 Have you ever heard that term before? Never know what 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.800 just placing of donuts. If they had said, Biden moves 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.239 to end the baiting of bears. But it's like they're like, 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.840