WEBVTT - How Did Dialing 9-1-1 Become a Thing?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. Guess what?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's that Mango?

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<v Speaker 1>So? I was giving this old piece in Popular Mechanics

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<v Speaker 1>this week, and this one line caught my eye. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the vehicle from Ghostbusters, the original ectomobile,

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a hearse?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? One thing I feel like I do know

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<v Speaker 2>is we've talked a lot about Ghostbusters on this show recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you noticed that I have?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway? I guess I didn't really think about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>that does make sense. It's got such a weird shape

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<v Speaker 2>to the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the director sort of souped it up. And apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the original design for the Ghostbuster's car was black with

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<v Speaker 1>purple streaks across the doors, and then they painted out

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<v Speaker 1>white and added some other modifications. But the thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me is that the car isn't just a hearse.

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<v Speaker 1>The model's actually called a combination car. Because hearses from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties weren't just hearses. They also worked as ambulances.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Popular Mechanics quote, hearses from funeral homes pulled

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<v Speaker 1>double duty, and the funeral home employees didn't have much

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of instruction beyond drive fast because the

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<v Speaker 1>EMPT as a concept was still a few years off.

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<v Speaker 2>So why didn't people just call nine one one? And

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the nineteen fifties, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess nine only one wasn't a national thing yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and ambulances and EMPT services hadn't really been formalized either.

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<v Speaker 1>That really starts in the mid to late sixties. So

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral homes already have these cars that can carry

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<v Speaker 1>people laying down. Funeral directors are just up at all hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and for them it's the way to make extra money. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>from a more cynical perspective, if a patient doesn't make it,

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<v Speaker 1>you've gotten an easy referral. According to the Journal, this

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<v Speaker 1>paper from Ontario, Canada quote these ambulances not only took

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<v Speaker 1>the injury to the hospital, they transported patients to and

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<v Speaker 1>from nursing homes and even gave newborn babies and their

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<v Speaker 1>mothers a lift home. The equipment was often sparse, a stretcher,

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket, a first aid kit, and of course, in

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<v Speaker 1>earlier iteration, it points out they'd have a bottle of

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<v Speaker 1>whiskey to numb the pain. I mean, I can't imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to think about this sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, imagine your granddad falling down some stairs or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of calling a funeral home to help with

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<v Speaker 2>this problem just feels so morbid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know which God is wondering when did

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<v Speaker 1>emergency hotlines and nine on one change all of that?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what we're talking about this episode. Let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome back to Part Time Genius.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Will Pearson and as always I'm joining with my

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<v Speaker 2>good friend Mango, and sitting somewhere behind that big booth

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<v Speaker 2>is our pal Dylan. He's got a bottle of Emergency

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<v Speaker 2>nine sauce and see SEMs to be pouring it on

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<v Speaker 2>everything he's eating back once he got back. If I

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<v Speaker 2>were doing that, I would be sweating. He's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see one drout of sweat on the guy, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>got I mean, it looks like he's got a burrito.

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<v Speaker 3>A hot dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a cobb salad bart. Mango, I spot

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<v Speaker 2>a banana, but what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad he also has a big jug of

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<v Speaker 1>milk back there to calm it all down, or else

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<v Speaker 1>we'd have to call nine one one. But speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one, which translates his emergency to us these days,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you give us a rundown on how that

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<v Speaker 1>number came to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as you said at the top of the show, here,

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one is a relatively modern thing nationally ethic.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the thing that surprised me most as we

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<v Speaker 2>started looking into it. But it actually wasn't until nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven that the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and

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<v Speaker 2>Administration of Justice recommended that quote, a single number should

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<v Speaker 2>be established, and this would be nationwide. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>for reporting any emergency situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened before that, I mean other than calling up,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, your local funeral director with right, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>obviously has on speed dial.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there used to be different numbers for different kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of emergencies, and we will get to that. But back

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty seven, the FCC met with the American

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<v Speaker 2>Telephone and Telegraph Company we know them today as AT

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<v Speaker 2>and T. Actually, that was another thing I learned. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that that's what that had stood for. But

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<v Speaker 2>to find a means of establishing a universal emergency number

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<v Speaker 2>that could be implemented super quickly. So in nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>AT and T announced that it would establish the digits

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<v Speaker 2>nine to one one as the emergency code throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. But weirdly, it wasn't until the Public Safety

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<v Speaker 2>Act of nineteen ninety nine MANGO nineteen ninety nine. We

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<v Speaker 2>were in college at the time that nine to one

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<v Speaker 2>one was officially established as the nation's emergency calling number.

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<v Speaker 1>That is insane that it took that long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was actually Bill Clinton who signed the law

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<v Speaker 2>ensuring that the FCC controlled nine one one and that

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<v Speaker 2>it had a budget to oversee the number, which is

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<v Speaker 2>when it became officially the law of the land.

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<v Speaker 1>But people were calling nine one one for decades before that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the first nine one one call actually took

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<v Speaker 2>place in my home state in Haleyville, Alabama. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was in nineteen sixty eight, and it's still celebrated today.

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<v Speaker 2>And do I mean celebrating, you know, have all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of weird things. You know, We've got that the big

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<v Speaker 2>statue to the Bowl weavil and enterprise out and we

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<v Speaker 2>love celebrating our super weird things there. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>sign there that says Haileyville where nine one one began,

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<v Speaker 2>which is such a weird thing. But there are also

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<v Speaker 2>banners hanging from street lights that have the town seal

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<v Speaker 2>on it that you know, shows this red phone receiver

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<v Speaker 2>and the words home of nine one one. Again, it

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<v Speaker 2>just feels like a really weird message to send. But also,

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<v Speaker 2>there's literally a nine one one festival in Haleyville every June,

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if you've booked your tickets yet.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not sure that the Home of nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one is really that big a draw for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels weird to want to go to somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>where they have so many emergencies. But I am curious

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<v Speaker 1>about this festival. How do you celebrate a phone number?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you think about it, there are some things

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate, Like really, it's a festival to celebrate first responders,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's pretty great. They obviously work super hard save

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of lives. There's a parade, some first responder awards. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, given where it is, there's a tractor show,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the fun part too. And then obviously there's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be a cornhole tournament to sort of round

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<v Speaker 2>things out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that sounds perfect, but the history.

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<v Speaker 2>Is pretty interesting. So back in the nineteen sixties, there

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<v Speaker 2>were all these regional telephone companies. So when AT and

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<v Speaker 2>T and the FCC decided that three numbers to use

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<v Speaker 2>would be nine to one pint one, the president of

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<v Speaker 2>the Alabama Telephone Company, his name was Bob Gallagher, read

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<v Speaker 2>about the decision and was upset that independent carriers were

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<v Speaker 2>left out of the conversation. So he basically rushed to

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<v Speaker 2>establish a nine to one to one system as fast

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<v Speaker 2>as possible. He wanted to beat AT and T to

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<v Speaker 2>the punch, and it took less than a week to

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<v Speaker 2>set up, and on February sixteenth, nineteen sixty eight, the

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<v Speaker 2>red emergency phone in Haleyville rang for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that there's actually like a red phone there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally on the town seal and all those banners,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also it's weird to me, like, before looking

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<v Speaker 2>into all of this, I actually did not know that

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<v Speaker 2>this all started in my home state.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wonderful. Well, what number would you call if you

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<v Speaker 1>had an emergency? Like one year before that, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Well up until that point, people would just dial zero

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<v Speaker 2>and then they would tell the operators. Sometimes we forget

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<v Speaker 2>about that, right, the existence of operators, And you can

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<v Speaker 2>imagine this was a pretty stressful situation. So the telephone

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<v Speaker 2>company operators weren't necessarily trained on these emergency services. But

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines had been the go to for reporting emergencies

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<v Speaker 2>since the early nineteen hundred, So way back, the founders

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<v Speaker 2>of the communications giant Ericson actually developed a portable phone

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<v Speaker 2>handset and this crank that could be hooked to these

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<v Speaker 2>like bare phone wires, and you'd actually place these two

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<v Speaker 2>metal hooks inside it over these telephone wires to form

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<v Speaker 2>the connection and then crank the handbox to create a

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<v Speaker 2>signal that would hopefully be answered by someone on the line.

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<v Speaker 2>This seems like a lot to figure out in these

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<v Speaker 2>emergency situations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane. So like if there was like a hot

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<v Speaker 1>air balloon crash, or a guy with a handlebar mustache

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<v Speaker 1>riding too fast in his unicycle, this is the contraction

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to use.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly, and those were two of the most common

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<v Speaker 2>injuries and emergencies. But it turns out people use the

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<v Speaker 2>crank and hook thing for some pretty important things, Like

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<v Speaker 2>way back in nineteen oh seven, somebody used one to

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<v Speaker 2>report a train robbery and it actually contributed to the

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<v Speaker 2>arrest of the outlaws.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's actually, it's just so fun to read about

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<v Speaker 2>some of these old ones. Here's one more old time nuggeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the reason we actually have some early emergency

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<v Speaker 2>regulations is because of the Titanic. So basically, when people

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<v Speaker 2>on the ship realized that were in trouble, the Titanic

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<v Speaker 2>radio operator signaled for help. And it turns out there

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<v Speaker 2>was one ship close by that was capable of offering aid,

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<v Speaker 2>but the operator was off duty and the signal was

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<v Speaker 2>never actually received, which is obviously a tragic situation. So

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<v Speaker 2>in response, Congress passed the Radio Act of nineteen twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>requiring all seagoing vessels to have a licensed radio operator

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<v Speaker 2>on duty at all times. And this was to continuously

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<v Speaker 2>monitor these distress frequencies. And that's what kickstarted the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>between emergency communications and governance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that that's one of the legacies of the Titanic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I never would have guessed that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it kind of makes sense that it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>big tragedy to spur some big change like that. Like

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK, instead of nine one one, they have

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<v Speaker 1>nine to ninety nine. And it's actually the world's oldest

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<v Speaker 1>emergency phone service. It dates back to nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>But again it comes about because of a tragedy. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a deadly fire in London in on Wimpole Street

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<v Speaker 1>and five women ended up dying. The neighbors did try

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<v Speaker 1>to help. They all dialed zero for the switchboard, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was jammed with so many calls that they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>alert anyone of the fire.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm curious, So how did they settle on

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<v Speaker 2>those numbers nine to nine to nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The General Post Office, which ran the telephone network, proposed

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<v Speaker 1>a three digit number that could trigger a special signal

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<v Speaker 1>and a flashing light at the exchange and then the

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<v Speaker 1>operators could divert their attention and you know, get these

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<v Speaker 1>priority calls. But they just had to pick three numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>People thought an end number was a good choice, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could find it easily if you're reaching

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<v Speaker 1>for your phone in the dark or in thick smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>So like one one one was rejected because it could

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<v Speaker 1>be triggered by faulty equipment or rubbing telephone lines together.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess two two two was already taken apparently connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the abbey, and zero zero zero didn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>sense because the first zero would already take you straight

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<v Speaker 1>to the operator. So they went with nine nine to nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and on June thirtieth, nineteen thirty seven, the Capitol's new

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<v Speaker 1>emergency telephone line was unveiled, and a week later, on

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<v Speaker 1>July seventh, nineteen thirty seven, the press reported at the

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<v Speaker 1>first arrest after a nine nine nine call, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy, John Stanley Beard. He was woken up in

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<v Speaker 1>the early hours of the morning by a noise underneath

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<v Speaker 1>his bedroom window, and when he looked outside, he saw

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<v Speaker 1>a single foot, a man's foot out there, and so

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<v Speaker 1>his wife down nine nine nine. In less than five minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>this burglar was arrested five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually pretty amazing given everything. But so nine nine

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<v Speaker 2>nine pretty much worked immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, well, it didn't work perfectly. Of the about one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred calls made that first week, ninety one were

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<v Speaker 1>prank calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I mean, it feels so stupid but also

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<v Speaker 2>so human that as soon as the country gets this

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<v Speaker 2>emergency number, people would of course start making crank calls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially after this very sober notice in the evening

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<v Speaker 1>News advised the public how to use nine nine to nine.

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<v Speaker 1>It reads, quote only dial nine ninety nine if the

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<v Speaker 1>matter is urgent. If, for instance, the man in the

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<v Speaker 1>flat next to yours is murdering his wife, or you

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<v Speaker 1>have seen a heavily masked cat burglar peering around the

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<v Speaker 1>stackpipe of the local bank building. If you've merely lost

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<v Speaker 1>a little towser or Lori has come to rest in

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<v Speaker 1>your front garden, just call up the local police end quotes, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea that someone putting their truck a

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<v Speaker 1>little too close to you, know, your azaleas is something

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<v Speaker 1>you should call nine one one about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I told you this before. But my grandmother,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Mamma, she would if we'd end up in

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<v Speaker 2>a traffic jam. Every once in a while, she would

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<v Speaker 2>want to pick up the phone and call nine one one,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'd have to stop her from doing that, just

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<v Speaker 2>to find out why there was a traffic jam. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess they were just worried that the

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<v Speaker 2>emergency number would turn into this sort of like a

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<v Speaker 2>complaint line for cranky citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I guess that's fair. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>about the line of that time is that the early

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<v Speaker 1>technology wasn't perfect, so when a call came in, operators

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<v Speaker 1>were alerted by this like big flashing red light and

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<v Speaker 1>a claxon, which is one of those like a wuga sirens.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you can imagine multiple calls coming in at once,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of nuts. A nineteen fifty one article in

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<v Speaker 1>the Post Office Telecommunications Journal described nine nine nine's early days. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>when the raucous buzzer sounded in the quiet discipline switch rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>a few of the girls found the situation too much

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<v Speaker 1>for them and had to be carried out.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds pretty awful, actually, but actually there are a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of awugas and flashing lights going on over there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if our listeners can hear that, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think Dylan is using to tell us it is

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<v Speaker 2>time to throw to commercials. So stay right there. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back with more Part Time Genius after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where we're talking nine

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<v Speaker 2>to one to one and the various emergency lines around

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<v Speaker 2>the world. All right, megol let's jump over to Europe

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<v Speaker 2>and look at their emergency number, one one one two.

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<v Speaker 2>How did that come into existence?

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea for one one two started in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen nineties. In July nineteen ninety one, the EU

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<v Speaker 1>decided that all member states would introduce a common emergency number,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't until two thousand and two that one

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<v Speaker 1>one two became mandatory for all EU member states, And

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<v Speaker 1>the number does work in some other places, like Australia

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<v Speaker 1>uses a triple zero for their emergency number, although you

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<v Speaker 1>can also use one one two if you're calling from

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<v Speaker 1>a mobile phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that was one of the things I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting in the research of all of this, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're abroad and you dial your home country's emergency number,

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<v Speaker 2>often it'll just forward to whatever country you're in. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you dial one one two here in the States,

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<v Speaker 2>it fords to nine one one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I actually remember when I was on study abroad,

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<v Speaker 1>this kid on my trip was feeling sick from something

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<v Speaker 1>he'd eaten, and he was like super super dramatic and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like crawling on the floor to the phone

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to dial nine one one. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's a landline and then it doesn't go anywhere, So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it did make me think, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're supposed to do in emergency situations in

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<v Speaker 1>other countries, but I guess on cell phones have kind

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<v Speaker 1>of solved for that. Yeah, which is a great thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is definitely a good thing. And today we have

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<v Speaker 2>what's called Enhance nine one one, which is what ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three percent of counties with nine to one one coverage have,

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<v Speaker 2>So basically nine one one systems have been upgraded to

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<v Speaker 2>accommodate for wireless calls and they share the caller's location

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<v Speaker 2>by iding the closest cell tower to the caller. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you've heard about this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like you hear a lot about that

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<v Speaker 1>on like NCIS type shows, or like in Cereal where

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to triangulate a caller's location from cell phone towers.

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<v Speaker 1>But that feels like technology that's been around for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, but nine one one is always evolving. Like

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<v Speaker 2>right now, dispatch operators are transitioning to what's called Next

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<v Speaker 2>Generation nine one one or NG nine one one, which

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<v Speaker 2>will allow us to send things like texts and pictures

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<v Speaker 2>to our nine one providers.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is great, but I imagine with all the prank pictures

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<v Speaker 1>that might come to it's probably another opportunity for emergency

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<v Speaker 1>dispatches to remind nine one one users to use it appropriately.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, none of our listeners would ever do that. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's another interesting thing that I learned in my research,

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<v Speaker 2>and again it's an evolution because of a tragedy. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're in an office, you often have

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<v Speaker 2>to dial nine to reach an outside line, right yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes in hotels too, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And that's not the case if you're dialing

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one. So today, if you just dial nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one, it'll connect you. And that's because of this case.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty thirteen, there was a woman named Carrie Hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>She was attacked and killed by her estranged husband in Marshall, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>And this happened in a hotel room, and so Carrie's

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<v Speaker 2>nine year old daughter was in the room and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to call nine one one on the hotel phone. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just such a tragic situation. But she dialed nine one

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<v Speaker 2>one four times during the attack, but tragically none of

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<v Speaker 2>those calls went through.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So ever since then, Carrie's father, a man named

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<v Speaker 2>Hank Hunt, has worked tirelessly with the FCC and Congress

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<v Speaker 2>to change the law so that nine is no longer

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<v Speaker 2>needed for nine one one calls from these multi line

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<v Speaker 2>systems like hotel phones, business phones, things like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>all these efforts paid off in twenty eighteen when Carrie's

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<v Speaker 2>law actually became this officially adopted law across the states.

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<v Speaker 1>That you know that that's really sad, but also seems

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<v Speaker 1>so obvious, right, Like, I guess we just don't think

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<v Speaker 1>of these things until we have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And because arguably the multi line phone system is

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<v Speaker 2>a great technological advancement, but it didn't integrate naturally with

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<v Speaker 2>the nine one one system. And it's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>same things with like smartphones and watches, but but really

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<v Speaker 2>more in the opposite direction. Like they've almost made calling

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one too easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's funny that every time I shut

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<v Speaker 1>my phone off, it offers me the option to call

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<v Speaker 1>emergency services, which you know is obviously a good thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes it does feel like my phone wants me

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<v Speaker 1>to call nine one one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, like, like you said, built in nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one features and smartphones are a net positive, but

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<v Speaker 2>they've definitely led to an increase in the accidental nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one calls. For instance, in India, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>if you or your kid or your pocket presses the

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<v Speaker 2>side button three times, your phone will dial one one two.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. I go to India like every other year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had no idea about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad that you haven't accidentally called nine or one one two,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess in that case. You know, in some smart

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<v Speaker 2>watches now include fall detection, so if your watch thinks

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<v Speaker 2>you fall in and can't get up, it will call

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one, which is a great safety feature.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so smart. It's like such a boon for

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<v Speaker 1>people like us who might be worried about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your parents or your in laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you can also imagine how it might cause

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<v Speaker 2>some problems too, Like at one Idaho ski resort this

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<v Speaker 2>past winter, this place called Schweitz Or Mountain, the sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>office saw this dramatic increase in unwanted nine to one

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<v Speaker 2>one calls and people that were skiing and snowboarding and

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<v Speaker 2>they were just wiping out, which was triggering all this

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<v Speaker 2>fall detection on smart watches and it just kept calling

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible. They just have to stay on the bunny hill.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're wearing a smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch, that's right. But sometimes it doesn't even take a

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<v Speaker 2>fall to trigger this automatic emergency call. So there's this

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<v Speaker 2>Reddit post from a person in Europe who Samsung Galaxy

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<v Speaker 2>dialed one one two when they took it off, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what it said. Quote, I took my watch

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<v Speaker 2>off and threw it on my bed because I went

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<v Speaker 2>to take a shower. Well, my watch interpreted that is falling.

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<v Speaker 2>One one two called me like four times, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I heard the fourth call, I ran out to answer

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<v Speaker 2>the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, and I feel like running out all soapy

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<v Speaker 1>with shampoo and your eyes might actually cause a spill

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<v Speaker 1>that makes you need to call nine one one. But

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, obviously, unintentional calls aren't a great thing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially since there's a nationwide shortage of nine to one

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<v Speaker 1>one dispatches right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's interesting. Why do you think there's a shortage.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of reasons, you know, burnout from the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>long shifts, overnight shifts, low pay, high stress, all of

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<v Speaker 1>that is contributing. But the volume of calls is also insane.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this number is all over the place online,

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<v Speaker 1>but supposedly America's nine to one one system receives an

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<v Speaker 1>average of two hundred and forty million calls annually, or

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<v Speaker 1>an average of over twelve hundred calls per minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I hadn't even processed how hard the job is. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually read this memoir. It's called Answering nine to

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<v Speaker 1>one one by Carolyn Bourou. I think her name's pronounced,

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<v Speaker 1>But she's talking about how people always want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the types of calls she answers at parties, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes her pause every time because like, actually, the

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<v Speaker 1>most interesting calls, she says, are the saddest ones. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is what she writes. They are the stories where

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<v Speaker 1>mothers and fathers fail their children. They are the stories

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<v Speaker 1>where friends and lovers do awful things to each other

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<v Speaker 1>because of drugs or alcohol or worse, for no real

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<v Speaker 1>reason at all. Where they are the fascinating ways that

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<v Speaker 1>some people lose their grip on reality. Interesting, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>not amusing. And she talks about trying to hold it

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<v Speaker 1>together on a call where this girl has called because

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<v Speaker 1>her mom has tried to commit suicide, and how she

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<v Speaker 1>has to ask like where the gun is and what

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<v Speaker 1>type of gun she used, and if the mom is

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<v Speaker 1>still alive, And you know, those calls just have to

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<v Speaker 1>be devastating, and you know, as an operator you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to hold it together until after the shift

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<v Speaker 1>when when she says she would like, you know, release

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<v Speaker 1>and cry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things I can't imagine. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the lower staffing levels across the country also

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<v Speaker 1>increase the burden on the remaining dispatchers, which makes them

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<v Speaker 1>more susceptible to the burnout. So it's really this vicious cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>And also since twenty twenty, in the wake of George Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a perception of nine one one as an

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<v Speaker 1>enabler of the police. So these days there's a growing

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<v Speaker 1>interest in alternative dispatch or alternative response programs that send

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<v Speaker 1>public health and crisis intervention workers instead of cops to

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<v Speaker 1>intervene with certain calls. And it's interesting when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the numbers because of the approximately two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty million calls made to nine one one every year,

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<v Speaker 1>only a small fraction are for serious or violent crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>The majority are calls like disorderly conduct and noise complaints,

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious people are cars, and mental health issues and also

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<v Speaker 1>things like substance use and homelessness, and so you really

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<v Speaker 1>don't always need police as first responders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there is this tendency to think of

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<v Speaker 2>police as kind of like this all purpose, you know

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<v Speaker 2>force there, but they actually are only trained in very

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<v Speaker 2>specific ways, and like you wouldn't call the cops to

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<v Speaker 2>put out a fire, so it feels weird that we

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<v Speaker 2>would call them to deal with a drug overdose or

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<v Speaker 2>something else that they're really not equipped for, not trained for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And alternative dispatch programs deploy public health professionals and

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<v Speaker 1>crisis workers to situations involving mental health, substance abuse, and homelessness,

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<v Speaker 1>so in other words, people who are specifically trained to

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<v Speaker 1>resolve those emergencies. The Harvard Kennedy School Government Performance Lab

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<v Speaker 1>the GPL, is working with fifteen jurisdictions across the country

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<v Speaker 1>to develop and pilot some of these alternative responsestem right now, Yeah, all.

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<v Speaker 2>This it does sort of highlight how knee jerk calling

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<v Speaker 2>nine to one one can be, like whatever the emergency

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<v Speaker 2>might be, actually there's this funny instance from September of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three when the US Marines actually called nine

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<v Speaker 2>to one one to report having lost you know what

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<v Speaker 2>they lost? They lost an F thirty five fighter jet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like you lost a cat or something.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's crazy, and it's it's just wild to read

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<v Speaker 2>about this story. But eventually they found the pilot, but

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<v Speaker 2>somehow not the jet. So if you see an F

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five just roaming around your neighborhood, maybe slip a

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<v Speaker 2>note to the Pentagon, just just let them know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, should we do a quick round up of funny

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one calls from dispatchers on Reddit, because that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a better way to do our fact off.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all know this is what this episode

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<v Speaker 2>has been building too, So let's do it all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't I start with a classic straight from red quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Lady called in because she thought Willie Nelson was having

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<v Speaker 2>a cardiac arresque in her trailer and she needed an ambulance.

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<v Speaker 2>I started giving her CPR instructions, and come to find

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<v Speaker 2>out when paramedics got there, she was doing compressions on

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<v Speaker 2>the couch cushions. Apparently she was just really.

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<v Speaker 1>High tale as old as time. So I like this

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<v Speaker 1>one quote. A concern citizen called in an animal stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in a tree, and that animal was a bird.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, just stuck. I had another fun animal call quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Middle of the night shift, get a report of a

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<v Speaker 2>guy trying to ride on a moose. Officer attends there is,

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<v Speaker 2>indeed a male trying to ride said moose. Male is

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<v Speaker 2>wearing high visibility vest and helmet, which his girlfriend made

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<v Speaker 2>him put on for safety reasons. Of course, I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually a moose there in that scenario. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is another animal one quote. I talked to a

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<v Speaker 1>pizza delivery guy who couldn't reach his destination because a

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<v Speaker 1>defiant chicken was standing in the middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I stayed with him on the phone as he pleaded

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<v Speaker 1>with it to finally move along. Truly a chicken crossing

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<v Speaker 1>the road moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see why they would call nine one. Why

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<v Speaker 2>that does sound sound terrifying? So yeah, all right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna end on this one because I really love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so brazen. Here we go. Quote. Got a

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<v Speaker 2>call from one of the managers at a bowling alley

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<v Speaker 2>complaining that their ice machine was broken and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>really busy night, and if someone doesn't come to fix it,

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<v Speaker 2>there will be no cold drinks. I mean, to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>no cold drinks at a bowling alley is an emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know this one seems maybe legit thinking more

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<v Speaker 2>about it, anyway, what are you gonna end on, Mango?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you think about there will be blood

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<v Speaker 1>that bowling alley is seeing. You know, turns dangerous when

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Say it's legit now.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the nine one one calls from kids who

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<v Speaker 1>are calling to complain that their siblings being mean to

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<v Speaker 1>them or won't share their legos. But I think my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite one is about a kid and a mom. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>so this is how it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>A frazzled mother called because her six year old had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten onto the roof and she couldn't get him down.

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<v Speaker 1>She kept screaming about how we need to hurry, not

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<v Speaker 1>because she was worried he would get hurt, but because

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<v Speaker 1>he had done this before and the last time he

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<v Speaker 1>peed in the air vents.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, nothing like a little pee in the

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<v Speaker 2>air vent to seal a fact off. It's a cheap

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<v Speaker 2>way to win it, Mango, But I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>give you this week's trophy. So that's it for this

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<v Speaker 2>week's Part Time Genius. If you like the show, want

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