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Speaker 1: been some extraordinary developments in Syria, sadly very predictable. So
Speaker 1: we have had the explosion of a lot of ethnic
Speaker 1: violence inside of Syria, largely perpetrated and supported unfortunately by
Speaker 1: the new so called moderate but in reality like radical
Speaker 1: Islamic government that has taken power there. We have some
Speaker 1: video that we can show you. Just as Chrystal said,
Speaker 1: this is not for the faint of home, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got people here who are dodging gunfire and there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of just like public executions and things
Speaker 1: that have been going publicly that are being posted on
Speaker 1: telegram and on social media. I mean, the rounding up
Speaker 1: of people. I mean, these are scenes really reminiscent out
Speaker 1: of ISIS and their takeover of Syria and so much
Speaker 1: of the leftover equipment. All of this right now really
Speaker 1: is just like You've got over a thousand people that
Speaker 1: were killed since Thursday, Crystal, and a lot of it
Speaker 1: is people who are again are like now in charge
Speaker 1: of the government. And the reports out of this and
Speaker 1: all this are very confused because the West doesn't really
Speaker 1: know how to deal with it because the person who
Speaker 1: is largely responsible for much of this is the so
Speaker 1: called moderate rebel who was supported by the United States
Speaker 1: of who we removed their terrorist designation. Let's put this
Speaker 1: up there on the screen, formerly known as HTS. You know.
Speaker 1: Abu Mohammad jog Jlani has instructed his militants to stop
Speaker 1: recording their acts of violence in an effort to control
Speaker 1: the narrative and minimize the damage to his public image.
Speaker 1: As reports of massacres and ethnic cleansing and serious coastal
Speaker 1: regions continue to surface, the leadership fears that documented evidence
Speaker 1: could further expose their brutality and weaken their support base.
Speaker 1: And like I said, a lot of this violence has
Speaker 1: been perpetrated unfortunately against many of the Syrian minorities. There
Speaker 1: Alohite Christians, drus and others who live in the area
Speaker 1: and were some of the strongest supporters of the Asad regime.
Speaker 1: The reason why I think that this whole story is
Speaker 1: very important is it does just show us about how
Speaker 1: you know, good guy bad guy ideology in our support
Speaker 1: or you know, weapons that we pour into the Middle
Speaker 1: East very often make the situation much worse. You know,
Speaker 1: to look back at the Syrian Civil War, it was
Speaker 1: a genuine you know, political uprising and from twenty fourteen onwards,
Speaker 1: but at that point onwards, it became this you know,
Speaker 1: basically geopolitical playground for the United States, for Israel, for Iran,
Speaker 1: for Qatar, for Saudi Arabia. They floored more weapons into
Speaker 1: the country than had ever been seen there before. And
Speaker 1: you know, literally millions of people were either displaced and
Speaker 1: or killed. What are the worst refugee crisises in modern history.
Speaker 1: And the truth is is like everyone was celebrating the
Speaker 1: downfall of the Ostad regime. It's like, well, now this
Speaker 1: is what has come next. More massacre, more death, and
Speaker 1: there's no picking good guys, bad guys or any of that.
Speaker 1: If we'd stayed out of this thing in the first place,
Speaker 1: we probably all would have been better off. But the
Speaker 1: you know, the the god you know, to even think
Speaker 1: back to that time twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, as I'm
Speaker 1: sure you remember too, the level of just like hystericism
Speaker 1: here in Washington over the Syrian Civil War, in pushing
Speaker 1: for more action, more bloodshed, more war, you know, intervention
Speaker 1: on behalf of the United States, trying to push Obama
Speaker 1: to bomb Syria to enforce a red line. Remember Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton ran on a damn no fly zone over Syria,
Speaker 1: which would have required shooting down Russian jets over the
Speaker 1: country and potentially drawing the United States into a conflict.
Speaker 1: I just think this is the ten year, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of culmination of all of the failures of modern
Speaker 1: bipartisan foreign policy. And the end result here is literal
Speaker 1: radical Islamist government in power who are now slaughtering ethnic minorities.
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. It's horrible to watch for the people
Speaker 1: of Syria. The destruction of a great people and of
Speaker 1: a great country. But I think even worse than that
Speaker 1: is the complicit, you know nature of the United States
Speaker 1: of the EU and the whitewashing of this guy's image
Speaker 1: who's now being invited to Brussels and he's wearing a
Speaker 1: suit and he's got the support here of all these
Speaker 1: other governments, and the country itself has basically been obliterated.
Speaker 1: Israel's like annexed half of it now for some reason
Speaker 1: that we're not really allowed to talk about over here. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you know, these ethnic Christians and others are getting slaughtered,
Speaker 1: and you know where there's no real there's no coherent
Speaker 1: narrative here in Washington because everybody is so complicit in
Speaker 1: backing the so called moderate rebels of the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think it's horrible and it's very.
Speaker 2: Sad when HGS was able to, you know, finally and
Speaker 2: very shockingly kind of from our perspective, were't coverage, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it came out of nowhere, is able to finally,
Speaker 2: you know, completely push the Assad government out of power.
Speaker 2: They engaged in this very purposeful propaganda campaign to try
Speaker 2: to convince the West that like no, no, no, all
Speaker 2: that radical Islam, like that's in the past.
Speaker 3: We're going to be moderate.
Speaker 2: We're going to celebrate our ethnic diversity. And there were
Speaker 2: quite a lot of Western media outlets that bought that
Speaker 2: because they.
Speaker 3: Wanted to buy it, and yeah, it's a nice narrative.
Speaker 3: And you know at the time we said, for like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we are very dufful, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: And so you're right that this was you know, it's
Speaker 2: sad and utterly predictable, and you know this is it
Speaker 2: really has served Israel's interests, even though that might seem
Speaker 2: surprising given that this is like a radical islamis group
Speaker 2: and you might say, Okay, it's got to be bad
Speaker 2: for it, and they must not like that. But you know,
Speaker 2: they've benefited by being able to push into Sea. You know,
Speaker 2: they are annexing significant parts of Syria up to effectively Damascus,
Speaker 2: helping to realize their you know, fanatical vision of greater Israel,
Speaker 2: which any you know, psycho Israeli settler can tell you about.
Speaker 2: So they're doing that because they can and no one
Speaker 2: will stop them. And HGS has publicly said basically like
Speaker 2: we're not going to do anything to push back against Israel.
Speaker 2: They also have publicly expressed a desire to distance Syria
Speaker 2: from a Ran another thing that makes Israel very happy here.
Speaker 2: And so you know, they have really seized on this
Speaker 2: opportunity to claim more territory, more power, and to you know,
Speaker 2: for their hobble their enemies in the region. So that's
Speaker 2: been part of the fallout and part of why there
Speaker 2: was a desire among the Western press to kind of
Speaker 2: like whitewash who these guys were and what was very
Speaker 2: likely to happen in the wake of them ultimately taking power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we said, we've got probably I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody knows the true number. What we do know is
Speaker 1: that a lot of these things seem to be very
Speaker 1: conveniently supported by the government that's in power. And I
Speaker 1: think it just drives me crazy because it just shows
Speaker 1: you how trying to again like paint people as bad
Speaker 1: guys in the Middle East and then picking the alternative
Speaker 1: it never really seems to end up all that great
Speaker 1: for us. And you know, none of this is moral
Speaker 1: per se, but this is the reality of whenever you
Speaker 1: want to try and intervene in other countries. Like the
Speaker 1: truth is, z Iraq was probably better off under Saddam
Speaker 1: Hussein terrible to say, it killed a lot of his
Speaker 1: own people, and it was horrible. But look at the
Speaker 1: subsequent fallout and what's happened to the country, not alone
Speaker 1: what we have wasted in trying to make it into
Speaker 1: some great democratic projects. Same now in Syria. Same I mean,
Speaker 1: what happened with Libya, right, It's a disaster. It's basically
Speaker 1: fallen apart, become an active warzone and a hub for piracy,
Speaker 1: for terrorism, and for migrants. It's like, if you look
Speaker 1: at all of these projects that have all been supported,
Speaker 1: in this case by NATO, the United States, and the
Speaker 1: Western Powers, as well as many of the Islamic nations,
Speaker 1: then you look at our intervention in Iraq and you
Speaker 1: see what happened there Afghanistan, It's like, where has this
Speaker 1: all worked out? But we just are addicted to it.
Speaker 1: It's like we are completely addicted. I will say. Part
Speaker 1: of this is also actually a big proxy fight right
Speaker 1: now here in Washington over the influence of the neocons
Speaker 1: and specifically how this relates to Israel and Iran. So
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: So it's from Tucker Carlston. He was tweeting a video
Speaker 1: here of many of the Aloi Christians and others being
Speaker 1: killed in Syria, and he's saying as Predictable says, it's
Speaker 1: still infuriating to see. For decades, Bashar al Assad protected
Speaker 1: the minority religious communities in Syria, including the country's large
Speaker 1: Christian population. No one in the US was allowed to
Speaker 1: notice this, and anyone who did was denounced by neocons
Speaker 1: as a dangerous extremist. Barry Weiss declared tilsa Gabbard monstrous
Speaker 1: and an Assad toady for noticing. But it was true.
Speaker 1: Asad protected the Christians. A week or Asad was the
Speaker 1: more Christians died during the war. The years that neocons
Speaker 1: in the West back the war against Assade, the percentage
Speaker 1: of Christians has gone from ten percent to two. Now
Speaker 1: that Asad has been driven from power, many of the
Speaker 1: remaining are being slaughtered and their holy place is desecrated.
Speaker 1: Barry Wise and John Bolton haven't said a word about it,
Speaker 1: but no one who's paying attention can be surprised. Neo
Speaker 1: con projects in the Middle East invariably destroy these ancient
Speaker 1: Cricketian communities from Iraq to Gaza and in many places
Speaker 1: in between. Can this be an accident, you wonder? And
Speaker 1: the reason why I thought it was important was the
Speaker 1: Gaza little shout out there at the end, because you'll
Speaker 1: recall Crystal in the early days of that war, when
Speaker 1: you had that that ancient Christian church that was bombed
Speaker 1: in the middle of Gaza. That's when even some of
Speaker 1: the religious supporters in America had to wake up a
Speaker 1: whole on a second, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: And look, I objected a little bit to the framing
Speaker 1: as like the Christians are the only people that matter
Speaker 1: and all this, But this is a message that at
Speaker 1: the very least, I think could get through to a
Speaker 1: lot of the people who are in the Republican base
Speaker 1: who still have this fin fanatical view of like good
Speaker 1: and evil and are very susceptible to being pushed in
Speaker 1: a neo conservative direction like there's no evidence here, you
Speaker 1: know that is really like Gaza is like all that
Speaker 1: great apparently for the so called Christian community in Gaza, right,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you that. Ask the Christians in Gaza, the
Speaker 1: people in Syria.
Speaker 2: West Bank for that matter, which you know, is the fact.
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. Nobody ever talks about it,
Speaker 1: but you know, some of those people are the most
Speaker 1: fanatical pro Palestinian support for the West Bank. Are a
Speaker 1: lot of more Palstainian Christians. Yeah, their their land is
Speaker 1: actually the one stolen I think originally, you know, and
Speaker 1: they've found themselves at war with a lot of these
Speaker 1: Jewish settlers. I don't care if they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim whatever.
Speaker 1: The point I think that we have here is it's
Speaker 1: obvious that the morality, you know, and the morality soapbox
Speaker 1: that these people try and preach from itself can often
Speaker 1: lead to much more immoral results. And they also just
Speaker 1: so happen to be in a you know, in favor
Speaker 1: of an agenda that's pretty favorable to you know, in
Speaker 1: priest War and also for the state of Israel in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. It's just, you know, that's that's part
Speaker 1: of noticing I think today here for overall Washington policy,
Speaker 1: and it's about what we're gonna have to get to
Speaker 1: with the Iran deal, because that is where things are
Speaker 1: going to be very interesting. Tomorrow hopefully we'll cover the
Speaker 1: Hamas negotiation spat that's currently happening. But you know, the
Speaker 1: amount of pressure right now from the pro Israel groups
Speaker 1: is unbelievable on the Trump administration. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: no indication that they'll be silenced so that they're going
Speaker 1: to take even you know, their Colombia deportations. Enough of
Speaker 1: his victory. That's not that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: For what these people want. They want much much more.
Speaker 2: Than Oh, absolutely, they want all of the West Bank.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're mobilizing to you know, allow Israel and
Speaker 2: they're likely to get that. I mean, they they want
Speaker 2: the Trump Gaza ethnic cleansing plan that he has floated.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they you know, they won't be satisfied with
Speaker 2: just some show trials and some deportations or Colombia having
Speaker 2: their funding stripped. They have much larger goals in mind.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to that Iran deal the question, because
Speaker 1: this is going to be one of the central parts
Speaker 1: for the Trump administration. Now, let's go ahead and play
Speaker 1: this from Donald Trump talking about how he wants to
Speaker 1: have a deal with Iran rather than go to war
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, there are two ways Iran can
Speaker 4: be handled militarily or you make a deal. I would
Speaker 4: prefer to make a deal because I'm not looking to
Speaker 4: hear Irun. They're great people. I know so many Runians
Speaker 4: from this country. Well, not the leadership, no, not the
Speaker 4: leadership people, very evil people. No, but the people of
Speaker 4: Iran are great people. But they had a tough regime
Speaker 4: and they meet and they'd be shot in the streets.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a tough it was a tough deal.
Speaker 1: So as you can see, it's like, we would rather
Speaker 1: have a deal. But the problem that they're finding is
Speaker 1: that Iran actually just rejected the deal. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen. The Supreme
Speaker 1: Leader of Iran rejected any nuclear talks with the quote
Speaker 1: so called bully states of the United States, and they're pursuing,
Speaker 1: you know, they're continuing their nuclear program. We don't know
Speaker 1: how much of this is bluster yet per se. But
Speaker 1: part of the problem is we talked about this with
Speaker 1: treat de Parsi, the renegging on the original Iran Deialm.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, to what end, for what purpose?
Speaker 1: The purpose was to increase the sanctions regime and to
Speaker 1: hopefully see the country fall the regime. That didn't happen.
Speaker 1: You know, in terms of their nuclear program, they're so
Speaker 1: called breakout time or whatever apparently remains relatively static to
Speaker 1: their ability to create it, their ability to conduct war
Speaker 1: abroad and or in the near abroad as they call it,
Speaker 1: you know, in that area. Well, you know, it seemed
Speaker 1: to be doing pretty well in Iraq, seemed to be
Speaker 1: doing okay enough in Syria, Hezbola. Of course in Lebanon.
Speaker 1: Have they taken some hits. Yeah, absolutely, especially with Israeli's
Speaker 1: being able to you know, assassinate people literally in the
Speaker 1: middle of their capital. And of course they had that
Speaker 1: whole back and forth with Israel, and but then Israel
Speaker 1: retaliated against some of their nuclear missile defense systems near
Speaker 1: their basis. But you know, they haven't fallen, which was
Speaker 1: the ultimate deal of what they wanted. So now we're
Speaker 1: in this situation basically of everyone's neokon making, where we've
Speaker 1: tried the maximum sanctions, I mean, what sanctions could possibly
Speaker 1: be even left to levy onto the country. And Trump
Speaker 1: is in some ways in a problem of his own making,
Speaker 1: because now what do you do. You know, if they
Speaker 1: do get a nuclear weapon or pursue that that nuclear program,
Speaker 1: you've said explicitly that we'll go to war for that,
Speaker 1: that would be a nightmare for most Americans. Also, though
Speaker 1: you're saying that you want a deal, and so two
Speaker 1: sides of your mouth, and especially full of an administration
Speaker 1: which historically has been incredibly hawkish on the Iran question.
Speaker 1: It's one of those where you could easily find ourselves
Speaker 1: in a major crisis over this issue if we don't
Speaker 1: revert to what I hope is Trump's best instincts, Like
Speaker 1: with the North Korea deal, there's no reason that we
Speaker 1: can't go and sit down with these people. And at
Speaker 1: the very least that's what Trump has shown his ability
Speaker 1: to o overcome. You know, these previous idiotic statements like
Speaker 1: we will never negotiate with a Moss, will never negotiate
Speaker 1: with the North Koreans. It's like while they're in power
Speaker 1: and the ones with the gun, so you know, what
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do? Yeah, So anyway, I hope
Speaker 1: that we pursue this. Maybe we can get over it.
Speaker 1: And it is it is still important that he's saying
Speaker 1: he wants it. I'm still worried, especially with Mike Wallas
Speaker 1: and some of these other folks in that administration, because
Speaker 1: if there are those people doing the deal, there's never going.
Speaker 2: To be in a deal well, and you can understand
Speaker 2: the Iranians perspective as well, like, dude, you're the one
Speaker 2: who walked away from this, How can we make a
Speaker 2: deal with your country? We did that before and got
Speaker 2: stabbed in the back by you. So like, you know,
Speaker 2: when they're responding with like, no, we're not going to
Speaker 2: do another deal with you, that's part of the background
Speaker 2: that you have to understand. That and the fact that
Speaker 2: the Trump administration has put on even more sanctions than
Speaker 2: existed under the Biden administration. They're targeting oil exports, in
Speaker 2: particular to China, and also apparently there was previously a
Speaker 2: waiver that allowed a rack to buy Iranian oil and
Speaker 2: they've gotten rid of that waiver. And obviously Aron is
Speaker 2: heavily depointment dependent on their you know, their oil exports.
Speaker 2: That's a key part of their economic picture. Apparently there
Speaker 2: were also sanctions that were put on Iran's metal industries.
Speaker 2: So they are going all in in what he calls
Speaker 2: the maximum pressure campaign, which means amping up the sanctions
Speaker 2: even further and really trying to destroy the economy. So
Speaker 2: when the Iranians are talking about you know, you're treating
Speaker 2: us like a bully. Wood that's what they're ultimately referring to.
Speaker 2: So yes, obviously it would be much better to like
Speaker 2: the best. One of the best things that the Obama
Speaker 2: administration did, certainly in terms of international policy, was the
Speaker 2: Iran nuclear Deal. One of the worst things that Trump
Speaker 2: did was getting out of the Iranian nuclear deal. One
Speaker 2: of the failures. There were other worse ones, but one
Speaker 2: of the failures of the Biden administration was not jumping
Speaker 2: back into the Iranian nuclear deal, especially in the early days.
Speaker 2: This is something we did multiple segments with Tree to
Speaker 2: Parsi about like they had four years to try to
Speaker 2: restart these negotiations to try to get back into a deal,
Speaker 2: which for a time Iran continued to it here to
Speaker 2: even after Trump had pulled the US out of the deal,
Speaker 2: and they didn't do it, And now the Iranians, you know,
Speaker 2: are feeling disinclined to want to go.
Speaker 3: Back to this rodeo.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I hope the the I hope Trump's
Speaker 2: instincts to negotiate and desire to avoid war in this
Speaker 2: region to the extent that he has one. I hope
Speaker 2: that's what prevails. But I think there's still a lot
Speaker 2: of big question marks here there are, and the Israeli
Speaker 2: is obviously like they know what.
Speaker 1: They want in the worst possible situation for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they want us to be shoulder to shoulder
Speaker 2: with them in a war against Iran.
Speaker 3: That is the longtime dream.
Speaker 2: And you know they have a lot of purchase in
Speaker 2: terms of power in the Trump administration. You know, you
Speaker 2: have Miriam Maidelson who has already gotten quite a lot
Speaker 2: in terms of her hundred million dollar investment in the
Speaker 2: Trump campaign. And Boebe is a savvy operator as well
Speaker 2: in terms of getting what he wants on of whoever
Speaker 2: the political leader is in charge in the un So
Speaker 2: I would say at this point, you know, there's certainly
Speaker 2: nothing off the table.
Speaker 1: Let's get on to the next one, the situation in
Speaker 1: columb with Columbia University.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a bunch of stuff going on here,
Speaker 2: but let's start with this. We can put this reporting
Speaker 2: up from our friends over at drop site on the screen.
Speaker 2: So on Saturday night, DHS agents entered a student residential
Speaker 2: building at Columbia University and they detained Mahmud Khalil. He
Speaker 2: was one of the lead negotiators on behalf of pro
Speaker 2: Palestime protesters at twenty twenty fours Gaza Solidarity encampment. I'm
Speaker 2: reading this from drop sites article here and in what
Speaker 2: they describe as a sweeping attack on the First Amendment,
Speaker 2: the Trump administration said this week it would begin revoking
Speaker 2: visas of quote Hama sympathizers, specifically citing Columbia University students.
Speaker 2: So now they have arrested Khalil reportedly had no warrant.
Speaker 2: Khalil has not been charged with any crimes. He is
Speaker 2: not here actually on a student visa. He's here on
Speaker 2: a green card, so he is a legal permanent resident,
Speaker 2: and at least as of this morning, he has been
Speaker 2: effectively disappeared. His lawyers and his wife, who is eight
Speaker 2: months pregnant, have no idea where he is. They originally
Speaker 2: thought that he was at an ice facility in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: His wife went there to try to find him. The
Speaker 2: you know, the officers there said no, no, he's not there.
Speaker 2: So they have no idea. And so it really is
Speaker 2: We can put the two up on the screen which
Speaker 2: explains that situation about you know, really having no clue
Speaker 2: where he is. This is from from Thacker. He says
Speaker 2: Machmou's attorney says they do not know where he is.
Speaker 2: They were first told he was sent to an ice
Speaker 2: facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. When his eight month pregnant
Speaker 2: wife tried to visit him, she was told he's not there.
Speaker 2: They receive reports he may be sent as far away
Speaker 2: as Louisiana. So Mahmoud Khalil again, who is a Green
Speaker 2: card holder, set to be deported over pro Palestine activism,
Speaker 2: meaning that if he had criticized, if he had been
Speaker 2: involved in protests criticizing.
Speaker 3: The US government, he'd be fine.
Speaker 2: But because he was involved in protests targeting Israel a
Speaker 2: foreign nation, now he's been disappeared and set for deportation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I actually looked to see if he'd even
Speaker 1: been charged with the crime. He was not even charged
Speaker 1: with the crime. That would be see, that's another thing.
Speaker 1: It'd be one thing. It's like, oh, you were arrested.
Speaker 1: You know, you're here on a visa, you're guest in
Speaker 1: this country. It's like okay. But literally just being a
Speaker 1: student protester, it's like I'm not seeing this because there
Speaker 1: are plenty is Israeli students who are out on the
Speaker 1: streets and UCLA and all that protesting on behalf of Israel. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to start revoking there set or you know
Speaker 1: there student visas or any of that anytime soon. They
Speaker 1: got great universities in Tel Aviv. I've seen him. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not why are you even over here if you
Speaker 1: need to come protests? Right, So that's the problem that
Speaker 1: I really have with this thing, and I was looking
Speaker 1: into it. You know, he is a lawful permanent resident,
Speaker 1: as he said, he's a green card holder. He actually
Speaker 1: is entitled with hearing with an immigration judge. So the
Speaker 1: judge would have to buy that not because the thing
Speaker 1: is for DHS to initiate deportation against a green card hoole.
Speaker 1: And this is very different than student visa or other
Speaker 1: temporary visas. Temporary visa can be basically revoked about cause
Speaker 1: the student a green card, legal permanent resident holder effectively
Speaker 1: has like they have very similar rights to a US citizen,
Speaker 1: and for their deportation they have to prove that they
Speaker 1: violated criminal procedure. Now, their claim here is that this
Speaker 1: was a violation of President Trump's executive orders on anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: So that's where this whole thing falls apart. And like
Speaker 1: I said, it would be one thing. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you commit a crime, Sure, get out of here. You
Speaker 1: have done this? Is that fine? You know, I have
Speaker 1: no issue with that. If we want to apply a
Speaker 1: blanket standard against all ford and students aren't allowed to
Speaker 1: I even would be okay with that because it would
Speaker 1: include some of these other But this is just capricious,
Speaker 1: and it's on behalf clearly of a foreign state who
Speaker 1: just wants these people to be deported for having the
Speaker 1: audacity to protest against them. That's where I really have
Speaker 1: an issue broadly, because it just is so blatant. And
Speaker 1: I'll just continue on this. This is the end result
Speaker 1: of the Bill Ackman faction joining the Republican Party. Let's
Speaker 1: not forget why did Bill Ackman become political. The day
Speaker 1: after October seventh, he publicly started docxing students who were
Speaker 1: protesting Israelly military campaign in Gaza. Did some of them
Speaker 1: say a lot of stupid shit? Absolutely? But he, you know,
Speaker 1: is compiling Google doc dossiers of these folks saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't even hire them. We got to, you know,
Speaker 1: deport all of these folks. And that is again where
Speaker 1: you know, we have an American billionaire here basically agitating
Speaker 1: to deport people who are protesting a foreign nation. And
Speaker 1: that is where it's just so unbelievable, you know, to
Speaker 1: watch this all happen in the power of the United
Speaker 1: States government when, yeah, if you were protesting I don't
Speaker 1: know the US policy in Syria, nobody even cares, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you see it all the time.
Speaker 3: Protest Trump.
Speaker 1: I was telling us about Bidy I apposed to Ryan.
Speaker 1: You know, we live here in DC. You know, you
Speaker 1: go down the embassy roads, there's protests about everything. You know,
Speaker 1: the Mayan mar protest, outside the Burmese embassy. There's protests
Speaker 1: outside darfour. Always there's always a protest outside of a
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've seen protests like Cambodian Embassy. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Nobody's you know out of here's like, oh, let's deport
Speaker 1: these folks or whatever. Go outside the White House. Any
Speaker 1: time you're here in Washington, there's some stupid protests. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but there's some protests outside of the White House. It's
Speaker 1: not usually Palestine or whatever relate. It's like, I don't know, Turkey,
Speaker 1: something like that. Nobody even blinks an eye. It's just
Speaker 1: the average, everyday part of life, but somehow for this one,
Speaker 1: the full force of the US government comes down on
Speaker 1: their side. I was just I can't deal with it.
Speaker 1: I really can't. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Well, and the way that this all got spun up,
Speaker 2: as we can put E to B up on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is our old friend Shidavidai, who is this absolutely
Speaker 2: psycho professor at Columbia who actually I think he was
Speaker 2: what he was forced to be removed from campus because
Speaker 2: he was being so aggressive and abusive towards students.
Speaker 3: Doctor.
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, I don't want to misspeak because I'm sure
Speaker 2: mister Devidai I will come after me. But you guys
Speaker 2: can google you know the extent of what he was
Speaker 2: involved with their Columbia University and the abuse he was
Speaker 2: hurling at his own students there at the school. But
Speaker 2: so he had tweeted this, he says, Dear Secretary Rubio,
Speaker 2: thank you for your strong statements.
Speaker 3: Now we want to see strong action.
Speaker 2: Illegally taking over a college in which you're not even
Speaker 2: a role in distributing terrorist propaganda should be a deportable offense. No,
Speaker 2: I would love to see what this quote unquote terrorist
Speaker 2: propaganda is, by the way, because they always say this
Speaker 2: and I have yet to see, you know, what this
Speaker 2: alleged terrorist propaganda was, because that's what Machmud Khalil from
Speaker 2: Columbia SJP did yesterday at Barnard College. So this guy
Speaker 2: makes Mahmud Khalil, who again has been charged with no crimes,
Speaker 2: but was a lead negotiator in terms of like the
Speaker 2: Palestinian Rights movement encampment on campus, et cetera, So targets him.
Speaker 2: Next thing you know, DHS is coming in without a
Speaker 2: warrant onto campus and arresting Khalil. Apparently when they first
Speaker 2: were interacting with him and his wife, they were under
Speaker 2: the impression that he was there on a student visa,
Speaker 2: which again I would find unconscionable to you know, criminalize
Speaker 2: like First Amendment.
Speaker 3: Speech and whatever.
Speaker 2: But it is a very different deal when you're there
Speaker 2: on a student visa and they find out he's a
Speaker 2: Green card holder. But they've been given instructions to target
Speaker 2: this guy, so they just continue forward. And when Drops
Speaker 2: Site and other news outlets asked DHS for comment on
Speaker 2: the fact that this was a Green card holder, a
Speaker 2: legal permanent resident, not a student visa, holder. They said,
Speaker 2: you need to talk to the White House, meaning this
Speaker 2: came from the top. This came directly from the White House.
Speaker 2: And so now Rubio has put on a tweet, let's
Speaker 2: put this up on the screen, saying doubling down on this.
Speaker 2: What is also to Sober's point about the process that
Speaker 2: you have to follow here, like this is all brazenly
Speaker 2: illegal when it comes to green card holders, because there
Speaker 2: is they do have.
Speaker 3: A right to do process.
Speaker 2: You cannot just arrest and disappear someone with no warrant
Speaker 2: and deport them without going through a process and coming
Speaker 2: in front of an immigration judge and proving that you
Speaker 2: have cause to revoke their green card and ultimately deport them.
Speaker 2: But Rubio doubles down here saying we will be revoking
Speaker 2: green card and student visa holders of quote unquote Hamas supporters.
Speaker 2: What's more, actually put E five up on the screen.
Speaker 2: They're using AI to sift through all of these students
Speaker 2: social media accounts to find ones who are quote unquote
Speaker 2: pro Hamas.
Speaker 3: And again, when you see that some of the things.
Speaker 2: That have been offered as proof that Khalil himself was
Speaker 2: quote unquote pro Hamas, was him participating in rally chance
Speaker 2: or leading rally chance like from the river to the sea,
Speaker 2: Palestine will be free.
Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're not talking about he's you know, joining up
Speaker 2: and he's you know, like an actual material supporter of
Speaker 2: Hamas or any other terrorist organization in any way. We're
Speaker 2: talking about rally chance and handing out flyers on campus.
Speaker 2: That's what they deem quote unquote pro Hamas. And so
Speaker 2: this is incredibly dystopian, Like, I don't care what you
Speaker 2: think about this particular issue. If you support basic speech rights,
Speaker 2: you can see the way that this is an authoritarian overreach,
Speaker 2: a governmentss government censorship effort to try to quash speech
Speaker 2: that they and their donors specifically do not like. And
Speaker 2: the fact that this was so lawless as well, like
Speaker 2: if they don't have to follow the laws in this case,
Speaker 2: they don't have to follow the laws in any case.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to just apply to you know, people
Speaker 2: who are green card holders. It could apply to literally
Speaker 2: anyone if you're just going to throw the laws out.
Speaker 2: So if you're someone who's positioned yourself or claim to
Speaker 2: support the First Amendment, this and the revocation of Columbia's
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars in federal funding. Like this is
Speaker 2: all a blatant attack on basic First Amendment right to speech.
Speaker 2: So it is outrageous, and I hope people understand what
Speaker 2: the stakes are here because it also is really a
Speaker 2: test case.
Speaker 3: We can put E four up on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is the Trump administration again without any process here
Speaker 2: says it was cutting off about four hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: in federal contracts and grants to Columbia University. This, by
Speaker 2: the way, after Colombia did really everything you could want
Speaker 2: them to do. They suspended a bunch of students, they
Speaker 2: suspended faculty that were quote unquote anti submitting or shared,
Speaker 2: you know, had had some text message exchange that they
Speaker 2: found to be problematic.
Speaker 3: They've instituted some sort of like rude.
Speaker 2: Out the Anti Semitism task Force that's going after students
Speaker 2: for things like the crime of writing a pro Palestine
Speaker 2: op ed. They invited the cops onto campus to you know,
Speaker 2: get get to arrest people who were involved in the
Speaker 2: takeover of Hindhall. Like they have done everything that a
Speaker 2: Biden and now Trump administration would want them to do,
Speaker 2: but it's never enough. They're going to be made an
Speaker 2: example of and there are many other schools that are
Speaker 2: also on the target list for the Trump administration. You've
Speaker 2: got Harvard University, George Washington University, JOHNS Hopkins, New York University,
Speaker 2: Northwestern University, UCLA, UC Berkeley, University of Minnesota, and University
Speaker 2: of USC University of Southern California are the ones that
Speaker 2: are particularly being targeted by the Trump administration here. So
Speaker 2: you know, spare me your your lectures about one A
Speaker 2: support if you don't have anything to say about this.
Speaker 1: One A fire did speak up on behalf, so I'm
Speaker 1: fires great fires off. Yeah, we love them. By the way,
Speaker 1: the ADL did come out with a new statement on
Speaker 1: the situation. Let me go ahead and read this because
Speaker 1: it's just good. It's delicious.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: We firmly believe there should be swift and severe consequences
Speaker 1: for those who provide material supports, affair and tourists or
Speaker 1: organizations insight violence in support of terrorist activities, or conceal
Speaker 1: their identities. We appreciate the Trump administration's broad, bold set
Speaker 1: of efforts to counter campus anti Semitism, and this action
Speaker 1: further illustrates that resolved by holding alleged perpetrators responsible. Obviously,
Speaker 1: any deportation action or revocation of a green card or
Speaker 1: visa must be undertaken in alignment with required due process protections.
Speaker 1: We also hope this action serves as a deterrent to
Speaker 1: others who might consider breaking the law on college campuses
Speaker 1: or anywhere. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, this
Speaker 1: is the law charge, That's what I was saying. This
Speaker 1: is the irony of it. You remember that whole UCLA
Speaker 1: thing when you had those guys who you know, they
Speaker 1: got into a clash or whatever you want to call
Speaker 1: it in the middle of Ucla. How many of those
Speaker 1: people were Israeli citizens? You know, how many of those
Speaker 1: people or duel Israeli citizens. It's like, well, well, we
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that one. It's like, that's
Speaker 1: my point with all of this, is that the capricious
Speaker 1: standard is just applied on behalf of this form. It's
Speaker 1: just it makes me want to throw up. As an
Speaker 1: American citizen, you know, we could protest India, puxta whatever,
Speaker 1: nobody cares at all our own governments, and you should,
Speaker 1: you know, you should protest your government. But it's just
Speaker 1: like with this one, it's just so naked the way
Speaker 1: that it all were, and it's all again because of
Speaker 1: this genuine obsession. And I know a lot of these
Speaker 1: people who are obsessed. They really believe that all of
Speaker 1: these folks are like paid assets to protest on behalf
Speaker 1: of Palestine. And it's just such cope because you know,
Speaker 1: even look, you know people here now, I couldn't stay
Speaker 1: I even told advise people not to do this because
Speaker 1: of you know, potential blowback in your personal life. But
Speaker 1: if not only is it a right, they believe that
Speaker 1: they're only doing it because of being paid like further action,
Speaker 1: and they just can't grapple with It's just as organic
Speaker 1: as any right wing protests that we've seen. You can
Speaker 1: offer support camps, you know, any of that other stuff,
Speaker 1: but if people don't actually feel outraged about it, then
Speaker 1: they're not going to show up. So you know, there's
Speaker 1: always this AstroTurf argument, and they really believe like America
Speaker 1: is just all like okay with what's all happening in Israel.
Speaker 1: And I mean to the extent that they are if
Speaker 1: they don't even know anything about it, I don't think
Speaker 1: about it that much. With the people who are it's
Speaker 1: like okay, fine, let them do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1: And you know, Trump even said prior to that, do
Speaker 1: we have that the thing about him expelling people? Do
Speaker 1: we have that? It is?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, we didn't pull it over Ryan and
Speaker 1: I did a segment about it. I mean, he's basically
Speaker 1: saying a US citizen would be expelled from their college,
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember I was engaged in all
Speaker 1: these fights back in the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen time
Speaker 1: period over these kangaroo courts over like me too, allegations
Speaker 1: that would expel students, and it was similar mass hysteria
Speaker 1: over this basically denying not only do process rights, but
Speaker 1: literally expelling students for some he said, She said incident. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, here you have the government in a similar position,
Speaker 1: just coming in and saying, even if you haven't committed
Speaker 1: a crime, that expressing an opinion or doing wrong think
Speaker 1: will get you expelled from college. Is That's the part
Speaker 1: where I just can't take it, you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: somebody who hates higher education. I'm happy to see Columbia
Speaker 1: bother with the kank course. I my network benefit would
Speaker 1: be cut, slash them all. I think it would be great,
Speaker 1: but you know, to do it on behalf of Israel,
Speaker 1: that's too much. That's too much. You got to at least,
Speaker 1: you know, try and do it from the perspective of
Speaker 1: what's good for us. That's the part that I can see.
Speaker 2: It's it's it truly is outrageous. I mean, right now,
Speaker 2: right now, Israel is cutting off They already cut off
Speaker 2: aid to Gaza, and they're cutting off electricity to Gaza.
Speaker 2: This makes it very like, this severely limits the amount
Speaker 2: of just clean drinking water because you know, the salinization plants,
Speaker 2: like the water purification obviously you need electricity. You're not
Speaker 2: allowed to protest that. You're not allowed to have a
Speaker 2: problem with that. Like you can have your status like
Speaker 2: as a legal, lawful permanent resident here revoked without any
Speaker 2: due process. You could be kicked out of school without
Speaker 2: any due process. Total cart blunch for the government to
Speaker 2: sift through your social media post and see if you're
Speaker 2: engaged in any sort of wrong think. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is I mean, this is truly some of the most
Speaker 2: authoritarian anti First Amendment overreach that I have seen. And
Speaker 2: we've laid the groundwork for many administrations, starting with the
Speaker 2: Patriot Act, probably starting before that, but really ramp it
Speaker 2: up with.
Speaker 3: The Patriot Act.
Speaker 2: You know, every administration has increasingly, you know, sought to
Speaker 2: censor those who they you know, they found their voices
Speaker 2: or their opinions to be inconvenient.
Speaker 3: This is another level. It truly is another level.
Speaker 2: And what they have done here it clearly elates this
Speaker 2: Mahmu Khalil's rights to do process. The fact that they
Speaker 2: have no idea where he is is terrifying and outrageous.
Speaker 2: And the message that they are to trying to send
Speaker 2: here also is terrifying and outrageous because many people will
Speaker 2: think twice about speaking out for their own job and
Speaker 2: school prospects, etc. And certainly if they are you know,
Speaker 2: certainly if they are Green Carter student visa holders, etc.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly the point the ADL said, like, I
Speaker 2: hope this serves as a deterrent and that's exactly what
Speaker 2: the goal here ultimately.
Speaker 1: Is, Crystal, what are you taking a look at.
Speaker 2: One of the weirder mysteries of the Kamala Harris campaign
Speaker 2: was what the hell happened to Tim Wells?
Speaker 3: So he came out of.
Speaker 2: The gays hot, was turning his cable news campaign his
Speaker 2: stellar Minnesota record into a vice presidential slot. He honestly
Speaker 2: seemed like the perfect choice. He's an affable Midwesterner history
Speaker 2: of electoral outperformance. He translated a down to earth vibe
Speaker 2: into an incredible record in a purple state. In fact,
Speaker 2: with his selection for the ticket, it seemed like Kamala
Speaker 2: was aeshewing her previous cautious positioning to go bold with
Speaker 2: a character who resonated on TV. It did not shy
Speaker 2: away from using power. Walls had a natural talent for
Speaker 2: pitching progressive policies in a way that felt moderate, and
Speaker 2: characterized Trump and Vans in a way that went instantly viral.
Speaker 2: These guys, they're just weird.
Speaker 5: You know, there's something wrong with people when they talk
Speaker 5: about freedom, freedom to be in your bedroom, freedom being
Speaker 5: your zamroom, freedom to tell your kids what they can read.
Speaker 5: That stuff is weird. They come across weird. They seem
Speaker 5: obsessed with this. They continue to try and tell you.
Speaker 5: And look, the thing that I find the most weird
Speaker 5: about it is is they never do the things they say.
Speaker 5: I heard one time, very early on, you do not
Speaker 5: need your elected officials to give you a sermon, but
Speaker 5: they should try and live one. And these guys are
Speaker 5: weird on how they frame it. They are obsessed. And
Speaker 5: I said it the other day the he Man Woman
Speaker 5: Haters Club. I don't know where this is coming from.
Speaker 5: And I have to tell you today here in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: joyous day. I just appointed our newest Associate Justices Supreme Court,
Speaker 5: Sarah Hennessy. Minnesota was the first state and we have
Speaker 5: a majority women on the Supreme Court and we have
Speaker 5: a woman of color as the Chief Justice. That scares
Speaker 5: the hell out of these guys. That just terrifies them,
Speaker 5: and then they start being weird. They think they have
Speaker 5: to listen to their stories. They think they're connecting with
Speaker 5: people and they tell things and everybody feels uncomfortable around them.
Speaker 5: So I'm sticking with that because I don't know what
Speaker 5: else describes it, but I know that it's more cynical
Speaker 5: and it's deeper, and it's hurtful and hateful. But I
Speaker 5: think one of the things you point out to this,
Speaker 5: they're not offering us anything. They're not going to come
Speaker 5: with a plan. And this is my thing. Every day
Speaker 5: I ask where's your healthcare plan? So, yeah, they're weird,
Speaker 5: and I am not changing that.
Speaker 2: But of course he did not ultimately stick with that.
Speaker 2: After what was a phenomenal launch, she quickly became a
Speaker 2: massive draw on the campaign trail, and the Harris campaign
Speaker 2: looked like they were set to use Walls's Minnesota record
Speaker 2: as a way to fill in the gaps on Kamala's
Speaker 2: own ideological vagueness. They released even a solid proposal to
Speaker 2: go after price gougers, which caused a glorious Right We.
Speaker 3: Meltdown about supposed price controls.
Speaker 2: Wall suggested himself a focus on bread and butter issues,
Speaker 2: things like paid leave, which had been really popular in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: He leaned into JD vance mockery, even made some couch
Speaker 2: jokes down on the campaign trail. But then sometime around
Speaker 2: the DNC things really seemed to flip. Price gouging was out,
Speaker 2: Opportunity economy was in, weird was out, Fascist was in,
Speaker 2: and Sean Faine, head of the UAW was out.
Speaker 3: Liz Cheney, Neocon was in.
Speaker 2: Now Politico has revealed what many of us have long suspected.
Speaker 2: Tim Walls was sabotage by an insecure Kamala Harris who
Speaker 2: didn't want him to outshine her, and by dim witted
Speaker 2: arrogant consultants who thought they knew better about what would
Speaker 2: resonate than the organic response, which had originally graded Tim
Speaker 2: Walls and his framing of the race. So, according to
Speaker 2: Politico quote, after he was selected in early August, Harris
Speaker 2: was not yet doing interviews, and aids did not want
Speaker 2: Walls to get out ahead of her. Several former campaign
Speaker 2: aids said Harrison Walls would not appear together for their
Speaker 2: joint interview with CNN.
Speaker 3: Until three weeks later.
Speaker 2: Even into October, the Washington Post described him as a
Speaker 2: quote surprisingly bubble wrapped campaigner, and as for his signature
Speaker 2: framing of Republicans as weird quote, there were also efforts
Speaker 2: to curb some of his signature lines, including casting Trump
Speaker 2: and Republicans as weird, which slipped out of Walls's speeches.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 2: He was encouraged to stop focusing on the weird criticism,
Speaker 2: said another former Harris aid, I think it is fair
Speaker 2: to ask whether, even if weird wasn't quite right, his
Speaker 2: instinct about how to approach Trump to make him seem
Speaker 2: small and a huckster wasn't closer to correct than the
Speaker 2: more self serious tone that may have made us sound too.
Speaker 2: In defense, of the status will now. In an interview
Speaker 2: with Politico himself, Wall slams the play it safe tactics,
Speaker 2: which led them to position the campaign as if they
Speaker 2: were sitting on a big lead rather than desperately trying
Speaker 2: to pull off an upset quote.
Speaker 3: We should have been playing this thing so safe.
Speaker 2: I think we probably should have just rolled the dice
Speaker 2: and done the town halls where voters may say, you're
Speaker 2: full of shit. I don't believe in you, Walls continued.
Speaker 2: I think there could have been more of that. We
Speaker 2: as a party are more cautious and engage in the media,
Speaker 2: both mainstream and non traditional, Walls said, and during the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four campaign, he said, in football parlance, we
Speaker 2: were in a prevent defense to not lose when we
Speaker 2: never had anything to lose, because.
Speaker 3: I don't think we were ever ahead. Now.
Speaker 2: One thing you can say about Trump is he is
Speaker 2: happy to tell campaign consultants and other advisers to piss off.
Speaker 2: If he tests a line out on the campaign trail
Speaker 2: and it gets a big response, he goes with it.
Speaker 2: He's got a gut instinct about these things, yes, but
Speaker 2: he also buys much more into the wisdom of the
Speaker 2: crowd than what some focused group, poll tested suit tells
Speaker 2: him he should be saying. Walls actually had a similar approach.
Speaker 2: He didn't just invent weird for the Kamala campaign. He
Speaker 2: had done a bunch of town halls. He talked to
Speaker 2: voters all around Minnesota, and that was the Trump characterization
Speaker 2: that he found really worked. So he brought it to
Speaker 2: the national stage and an immediately hit. Bernie actually has
Speaker 2: a similar approach. He's not out there checking his lines
Speaker 2: over with a pollster. He is getting rockstar receptions, leaning
Speaker 2: into the same mesage that has resonated with Americans.
Speaker 3: He's spoken with for over fifty years. Now.
Speaker 2: It helps that they both seem like they actually believe
Speaker 2: in something too. There's new data that should further strengthen
Speaker 2: Democrats resolve to get rid of all of these ariant, grifting,
Speaker 2: idiotic consultants who think that they know better. A recent
Speaker 2: Yale study found they literally don't. Random people do just
Speaker 2: as well predicting what political messages will resonate as do
Speaker 2: paid political professionals.
Speaker 3: These people, they are literally worthless.
Speaker 2: You will be just as well off to throw darts
Speaker 2: at a dart board and pick your policies as to
Speaker 2: listen to these people. Now, there are signs that Walls
Speaker 2: remains one of the Democratic Party leaders with the best
Speaker 2: instincts in the country. In a recent interview with Molly
Speaker 2: on Fast, he told her that Democrats need to stop
Speaker 2: messing around with small ball and actually give voters real
Speaker 2: change they can sink their teeth into.
Speaker 3: Take a listen, look, I hear.
Speaker 5: The thing out there is is that when we get back,
Speaker 5: which we will, will fight. I'll tell you what people
Speaker 5: are going to expect is they're not going to expect
Speaker 5: to tinkle around the edge with the ACA. They're going
Speaker 5: to expect universal healthcare. And if there's a lesson here,
Speaker 5: I always said this. We had a one vote majority
Speaker 5: in Minnesota. When we move clean energy, we move reproductive rights,
Speaker 5: we moved. We moved a whole slew of progressive very popular,
Speaker 5: including things around guns and gun safety, very popular thing.
Speaker 5: We moved it with a one vote majority. And people ask, well,
Speaker 5: what do you call a one vote majority a majority?
Speaker 5: Simple as that.
Speaker 2: Now, if you need a demonstration of how popular that
Speaker 2: message is, how much energy there is behind it, just behold.
Speaker 3: The response to an eighty three year old.
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders, who's been hosting overflow crowds on top of
Speaker 2: overflow crowds in Midwestern swing districts.
Speaker 3: It's actually insane.
Speaker 2: Biden's average crowd is pointed out here when he was
Speaker 2: president and running for reelection was thirteen hundred. Here is
Speaker 2: Bernie in Warren, Michigan on a random March day, attracting
Speaker 2: more than ten thousand people. Now, as far as his
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight plans goes, Walls is playing koy keeping
Speaker 2: it options open. I think opening up about the Harris
Speaker 2: campaign's failures, I albeit in a diplomatic way, is definitely
Speaker 2: step one. Getting back out there on the road for
Speaker 2: town halls and districts where Republicans are too scared to
Speaker 2: show up is step two. And then we'll see a
Speaker 2: man definitely doesn't need to work on his debate skills.
Speaker 2: But if she ditches the consultants, leans into his instincts
Speaker 2: to be visible and to be bold with his economic agenda,
Speaker 2: he might still yet be the future of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: And I mean this is the big thing for him
Speaker 2: is people are.
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