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Speaker 1: dot com. All right, let's get over to Syria. There's

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Speaker 1: been some extraordinary developments in Syria, sadly very predictable. So

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Speaker 1: we have had the explosion of a lot of ethnic

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Speaker 1: violence inside of Syria, largely perpetrated and supported unfortunately by

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Speaker 1: the new so called moderate but in reality like radical

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Speaker 1: Islamic government that has taken power there. We have some

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Speaker 1: video that we can show you. Just as Chrystal said,

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Speaker 1: this is not for the faint of home, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got people here who are dodging gunfire and there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of just like public executions and things

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Speaker 1: telegram and on social media. I mean, the rounding up

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Speaker 1: of people. I mean, these are scenes really reminiscent out

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Speaker 1: of the leftover equipment. All of this right now really

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Speaker 1: is just like You've got over a thousand people that

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Speaker 1: were killed since Thursday, Crystal, and a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is people who are again are like now in charge

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Speaker 1: of the government. And the reports out of this and

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Speaker 1: all this are very confused because the West doesn't really

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Speaker 1: know how to deal with it because the person who

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Speaker 1: is largely responsible for much of this is the so

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Speaker 1: called moderate rebel who was supported by the United States

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Speaker 1: of who we removed their terrorist designation. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen, formerly known as HTS. You know.

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Speaker 1: Abu Mohammad jog Jlani has instructed his militants to stop

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Speaker 1: recording their acts of violence in an effort to control

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Speaker 1: the narrative and minimize the damage to his public image.

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Speaker 1: As reports of massacres and ethnic cleansing and serious coastal

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Speaker 1: regions continue to surface, the leadership fears that documented evidence

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Speaker 1: could further expose their brutality and weaken their support base.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, a lot of this violence has

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Speaker 1: been perpetrated unfortunately against many of the Syrian minorities. There

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Speaker 1: Alohite Christians, drus and others who live in the area

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Speaker 1: and were some of the strongest supporters of the Asad regime.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I think that this whole story is

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Speaker 1: very important is it does just show us about how

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Speaker 1: you know, good guy bad guy ideology in our support

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Speaker 1: or you know, weapons that we pour into the Middle

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Speaker 1: East very often make the situation much worse. You know,

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Speaker 1: to look back at the Syrian Civil War, it was

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Speaker 1: a genuine you know, political uprising and from twenty fourteen onwards,

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Speaker 1: but at that point onwards, it became this you know,

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Speaker 1: for Qatar, for Saudi Arabia. They floored more weapons into

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Speaker 1: you know, literally millions of people were either displaced and

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Speaker 1: And the truth is is like everyone was celebrating the

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Speaker 1: downfall of the Ostad regime. It's like, well, now this

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Speaker 1: is what has come next. More massacre, more death, and

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Speaker 1: there's no picking good guys, bad guys or any of that.

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Speaker 1: If we'd stayed out of this thing in the first place,

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Speaker 1: we probably all would have been better off. But the

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Speaker 1: sure you remember too, the level of just like hystericism

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Speaker 1: which would have required shooting down Russian jets over the

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Speaker 1: I just think this is the ten year, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. It's horrible to watch for the people

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Speaker 1: Israel's like annexed half of it now for some reason

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Speaker 1: I just think it's horrible and it's very.

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Speaker 2: Sad when HGS was able to, you know, finally and

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Speaker 2: very shockingly kind of from our perspective, were't coverage, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it came out of nowhere, is able to finally,

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Speaker 2: They engaged in this very purposeful propaganda campaign to try

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Speaker 2: to convince the West that like no, no, no, all

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Speaker 2: that radical Islam, like that's in the past.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be moderate.

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Speaker 2: We're going to celebrate our ethnic diversity. And there were

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Speaker 2: quite a lot of Western media outlets that bought that

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Speaker 2: because they.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to buy it, and yeah, it's a nice narrative.

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Speaker 3: And you know at the time we said, for like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we are very dufful, but we'll see.

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Speaker 2: And so you're right that this was you know, it's

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Speaker 2: sad and utterly predictable, and you know this is it

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Speaker 2: really has served Israel's interests, even though that might seem

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Speaker 2: surprising given that this is like a radical islamis group

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Speaker 2: and you might say, Okay, it's got to be bad

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Speaker 2: they've benefited by being able to push into Sea. You know,

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Speaker 2: they are annexing significant parts of Syria up to effectively Damascus,

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Speaker 2: helping to realize their you know, fanatical vision of greater Israel,

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Speaker 2: which any you know, psycho Israeli settler can tell you about.

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Speaker 2: So they're doing that because they can and no one

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Speaker 2: They also have publicly expressed a desire to distance Syria

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Speaker 2: And so you know, they have really seized on this

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Speaker 2: been part of the fallout and part of why there

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Speaker 2: likely to happen in the wake of them ultimately taking power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we said, we've got probably I mean,

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Speaker 1: nobody knows the true number. What we do know is

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Speaker 1: that a lot of these things seem to be very

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Speaker 1: conveniently supported by the government that's in power. And I

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Speaker 1: think it just drives me crazy because it just shows

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Speaker 1: you how trying to again like paint people as bad

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Speaker 1: guys in the Middle East and then picking the alternative

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Speaker 1: it never really seems to end up all that great

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Speaker 1: for us. And you know, none of this is moral

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Speaker 1: per se, but this is the reality of whenever you

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Speaker 1: want to try and intervene in other countries. Like the

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Speaker 1: truth is, z Iraq was probably better off under Saddam

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Speaker 1: Hussein terrible to say, it killed a lot of his

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Speaker 1: own people, and it was horrible. But look at the

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Speaker 1: subsequent fallout and what's happened to the country, not alone

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Speaker 1: what we have wasted in trying to make it into

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Speaker 1: some great democratic projects. Same now in Syria. Same I mean,

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Speaker 1: what happened with Libya, right, It's a disaster. It's basically

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Speaker 1: fallen apart, become an active warzone and a hub for piracy,

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Speaker 1: at all of these projects that have all been supported,

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Speaker 1: Western Powers, as well as many of the Islamic nations,

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Speaker 1: then you look at our intervention in Iraq and you

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Speaker 1: see what happened there Afghanistan, It's like, where has this

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Speaker 1: all worked out? But we just are addicted to it.

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Speaker 1: It's like we are completely addicted. I will say. Part

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Speaker 1: of this is also actually a big proxy fight right

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Speaker 1: now here in Washington over the influence of the neocons

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Speaker 1: and specifically how this relates to Israel and Iran. So

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Speaker 1: So it's from Tucker Carlston. He was tweeting a video

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Speaker 1: here of many of the Aloi Christians and others being

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Speaker 1: killed in Syria, and he's saying as Predictable says, it's

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Speaker 1: still infuriating to see. For decades, Bashar al Assad protected

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Speaker 1: Christian population. No one in the US was allowed to

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Speaker 1: as a dangerous extremist. Barry Weiss declared tilsa Gabbard monstrous

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Speaker 1: and an Assad toady for noticing. But it was true.

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Speaker 1: Asad protected the Christians. A week or Asad was the

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Speaker 1: more Christians died during the war. The years that neocons

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Speaker 1: remaining are being slaughtered and their holy place is desecrated.

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Speaker 1: Barry Wise and John Bolton haven't said a word about it,

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Speaker 1: but no one who's paying attention can be surprised. Neo

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Speaker 1: the religious supporters in America had to wake up a

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Speaker 1: whole on a second, like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: And look, I objected a little bit to the framing

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Speaker 1: and all this, But this is a message that at

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Speaker 1: the very least, I think could get through to a

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Speaker 1: lot of the people who are in the Republican base

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Speaker 1: who still have this fin fanatical view of like good

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Speaker 1: a neo conservative direction like there's no evidence here, you

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Speaker 1: know that is really like Gaza is like all that

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Speaker 1: great apparently for the so called Christian community in Gaza, right,

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Speaker 1: they'll tell you that. Ask the Christians in Gaza, the

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Speaker 1: people in Syria.

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Speaker 2: West Bank for that matter, which you know, is the fact.

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Speaker 1: That's such a good point. Nobody ever talks about it,

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Speaker 1: but you know, some of those people are the most

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Speaker 1: fanatical pro Palestinian support for the West Bank. Are a

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Speaker 1: lot of more Palstainian Christians. Yeah, their their land is

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Speaker 1: actually the one stolen I think originally, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they've found themselves at war with a lot of these

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Speaker 1: Jewish settlers. I don't care if they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim whatever.

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Speaker 1: The point I think that we have here is it's

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Speaker 1: lead to much more immoral results. And they also just

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get to that Iran deal the question, because

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, there are two ways Iran can

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Speaker 1: have done this? Is that fine? You know, I have

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Speaker 1: no issue with that. If we want to apply a

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Speaker 1: blanket standard against all ford and students aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: I even would be okay with that because it would

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Speaker 1: include some of these other But this is just capricious,

436
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Speaker 1: and it's on behalf clearly of a foreign state who

437
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Speaker 1: just wants these people to be deported for having the

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Speaker 1: audacity to protest against them. That's where I really have

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Speaker 1: an issue broadly, because it just is so blatant. And

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Speaker 1: I'll just continue on this. This is the end result

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Speaker 1: of the Bill Ackman faction joining the Republican Party. Let's

442
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Speaker 1: not forget why did Bill Ackman become political. The day

443
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Speaker 1: after October seventh, he publicly started docxing students who were

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Speaker 1: protesting Israelly military campaign in Gaza. Did some of them

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Speaker 1: say a lot of stupid shit? Absolutely? But he, you know,

446
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Speaker 1: is compiling Google doc dossiers of these folks saying, oh,

447
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Speaker 1: we shouldn't even hire them. We got to, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: deport all of these folks. And that is again where

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Speaker 1: you know, we have an American billionaire here basically agitating

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Speaker 1: to deport people who are protesting a foreign nation. And

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Speaker 1: that is where it's just so unbelievable, you know, to

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Speaker 1: watch this all happen in the power of the United

453
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Speaker 1: States government when, yeah, if you were protesting I don't

454
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Speaker 1: know the US policy in Syria, nobody even cares, right,

455
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Speaker 1: you know, you see it all the time.

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Speaker 3: Protest Trump.

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Speaker 1: I was telling us about Bidy I apposed to Ryan.

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Speaker 1: You know, we live here in DC. You know, you

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Speaker 1: go down the embassy roads, there's protests about everything. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Mayan mar protest, outside the Burmese embassy. There's protests

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Speaker 1: outside darfour. Always there's always a protest outside of a

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I've seen protests like Cambodian Embassy. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's you know out of here's like, oh, let's deport

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Speaker 1: these folks or whatever. Go outside the White House. Any

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Speaker 1: time you're here in Washington, there's some stupid protests. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: but there's some protests outside of the White House. It's

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Speaker 1: not usually Palestine or whatever relate. It's like, I don't know, Turkey,

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Speaker 1: something like that. Nobody even blinks an eye. It's just

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Speaker 1: the average, everyday part of life, but somehow for this one,

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Speaker 1: the full force of the US government comes down on

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Speaker 1: their side. I was just I can't deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I really can't. It's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the way that this all got spun up,

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Speaker 2: as we can put E to B up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is our old friend Shidavidai, who is this absolutely

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Speaker 2: psycho professor at Columbia who actually I think he was

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Speaker 2: what he was forced to be removed from campus because

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Speaker 2: he was being so aggressive and abusive towards students.

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Speaker 3: Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, I don't want to misspeak because I'm sure

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Speaker 2: mister Devidai I will come after me. But you guys

482
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Speaker 2: can google you know the extent of what he was

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Speaker 2: involved with their Columbia University and the abuse he was

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Speaker 2: hurling at his own students there at the school. But

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Speaker 2: so he had tweeted this, he says, Dear Secretary Rubio,

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Speaker 2: thank you for your strong statements.

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Speaker 3: Now we want to see strong action.

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Speaker 2: Illegally taking over a college in which you're not even

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Speaker 2: a role in distributing terrorist propaganda should be a deportable offense. No,

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Speaker 2: I would love to see what this quote unquote terrorist

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Speaker 2: propaganda is, by the way, because they always say this

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Speaker 2: and I have yet to see, you know, what this

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Speaker 2: alleged terrorist propaganda was, because that's what Machmud Khalil from

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Speaker 2: Columbia SJP did yesterday at Barnard College. So this guy

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Speaker 2: makes Mahmud Khalil, who again has been charged with no crimes,

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Speaker 2: but was a lead negotiator in terms of like the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian Rights movement encampment on campus, et cetera, So targets him.

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Speaker 2: Next thing you know, DHS is coming in without a

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Speaker 2: warrant onto campus and arresting Khalil. Apparently when they first

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Speaker 2: were interacting with him and his wife, they were under

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Speaker 2: the impression that he was there on a student visa,

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Speaker 2: which again I would find unconscionable to you know, criminalize

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Speaker 2: like First Amendment.

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Speaker 3: Speech and whatever.

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Speaker 2: But it is a very different deal when you're there

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Speaker 2: on a student visa and they find out he's a

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Speaker 2: Green card holder. But they've been given instructions to target

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Speaker 2: this guy, so they just continue forward. And when Drops

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Speaker 2: Site and other news outlets asked DHS for comment on

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Speaker 2: the fact that this was a Green card holder, a

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Speaker 2: legal permanent resident, not a student visa, holder. They said,

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Speaker 2: you need to talk to the White House, meaning this

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Speaker 2: came from the top. This came directly from the White House.

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Speaker 2: And so now Rubio has put on a tweet, let's

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Speaker 2: put this up on the screen, saying doubling down on this.

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Speaker 2: What is also to Sober's point about the process that

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Speaker 2: you have to follow here, like this is all brazenly

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Speaker 2: illegal when it comes to green card holders, because there

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Speaker 2: is they do have.

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Speaker 3: A right to do process.

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Speaker 2: You cannot just arrest and disappear someone with no warrant

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Speaker 2: and deport them without going through a process and coming

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Speaker 2: in front of an immigration judge and proving that you

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Speaker 2: have cause to revoke their green card and ultimately deport them.

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Speaker 2: But Rubio doubles down here saying we will be revoking

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Speaker 2: green card and student visa holders of quote unquote Hamas supporters.

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Speaker 2: What's more, actually put E five up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They're using AI to sift through all of these students

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Speaker 2: social media accounts to find ones who are quote unquote

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Speaker 2: pro Hamas.

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Speaker 3: And again, when you see that some of the things.

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Speaker 2: That have been offered as proof that Khalil himself was

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Speaker 2: quote unquote pro Hamas, was him participating in rally chance

534
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Speaker 2: or leading rally chance like from the river to the sea,

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Speaker 2: Palestine will be free.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're not talking about he's you know, joining up

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Speaker 2: and he's you know, like an actual material supporter of

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Speaker 2: Hamas or any other terrorist organization in any way. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about rally chance and handing out flyers on campus.

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Speaker 2: That's what they deem quote unquote pro Hamas. And so

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Speaker 2: this is incredibly dystopian, Like, I don't care what you

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Speaker 2: think about this particular issue. If you support basic speech rights,

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Speaker 2: you can see the way that this is an authoritarian overreach,

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Speaker 2: a governmentss government censorship effort to try to quash speech

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Speaker 2: that they and their donors specifically do not like. And

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Speaker 2: the fact that this was so lawless as well, like

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Speaker 2: if they don't have to follow the laws in this case,

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Speaker 2: they don't have to follow the laws in any case.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to just apply to you know, people

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Speaker 2: who are green card holders. It could apply to literally

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Speaker 2: anyone if you're just going to throw the laws out.

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Speaker 2: So if you're someone who's positioned yourself or claim to

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Speaker 2: support the First Amendment, this and the revocation of Columbia's

555
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars in federal funding. Like this is

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Speaker 2: all a blatant attack on basic First Amendment right to speech.

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Speaker 2: So it is outrageous, and I hope people understand what

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Speaker 2: the stakes are here because it also is really a

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Speaker 2: test case.

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Speaker 3: We can put E four up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is the Trump administration again without any process here

562
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Speaker 2: says it was cutting off about four hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: in federal contracts and grants to Columbia University. This, by

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Speaker 2: the way, after Colombia did really everything you could want

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Speaker 2: them to do. They suspended a bunch of students, they

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Speaker 2: suspended faculty that were quote unquote anti submitting or shared,

567
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Speaker 2: you know, had had some text message exchange that they

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Speaker 2: found to be problematic.

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Speaker 3: They've instituted some sort of like rude.

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Speaker 2: Out the Anti Semitism task Force that's going after students

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Speaker 2: for things like the crime of writing a pro Palestine

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Speaker 2: op ed. They invited the cops onto campus to you know,

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Speaker 2: get get to arrest people who were involved in the

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Speaker 2: takeover of Hindhall. Like they have done everything that a

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Speaker 2: Biden and now Trump administration would want them to do,

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Speaker 2: but it's never enough. They're going to be made an

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Speaker 2: example of and there are many other schools that are

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Speaker 2: also on the target list for the Trump administration. You've

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Speaker 2: got Harvard University, George Washington University, JOHNS Hopkins, New York University,

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Speaker 2: Northwestern University, UCLA, UC Berkeley, University of Minnesota, and University

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Speaker 2: of USC University of Southern California are the ones that

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Speaker 2: are particularly being targeted by the Trump administration here. So

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Speaker 2: you know, spare me your your lectures about one A

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Speaker 2: support if you don't have anything to say about this.

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Speaker 1: One A fire did speak up on behalf, so I'm

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Speaker 1: fires great fires off. Yeah, we love them. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the ADL did come out with a new statement on

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Speaker 1: the situation. Let me go ahead and read this because

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Speaker 1: it's just good. It's delicious.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: We firmly believe there should be swift and severe consequences

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Speaker 1: for those who provide material supports, affair and tourists or

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Speaker 1: organizations insight violence in support of terrorist activities, or conceal

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Speaker 1: their identities. We appreciate the Trump administration's broad, bold set

595
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Speaker 1: of efforts to counter campus anti Semitism, and this action

596
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Speaker 1: further illustrates that resolved by holding alleged perpetrators responsible. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: any deportation action or revocation of a green card or

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Speaker 1: visa must be undertaken in alignment with required due process protections.

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Speaker 1: We also hope this action serves as a deterrent to

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Speaker 1: others who might consider breaking the law on college campuses

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Speaker 1: or anywhere. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is the law charge, That's what I was saying. This

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Speaker 1: is the irony of it. You remember that whole UCLA

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Speaker 1: thing when you had those guys who you know, they

605
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Speaker 1: got into a clash or whatever you want to call

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Speaker 1: it in the middle of Ucla. How many of those

607
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Speaker 1: people were Israeli citizens? You know, how many of those

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Speaker 1: people or duel Israeli citizens. It's like, well, well, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that one. It's like, that's

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Speaker 1: my point with all of this, is that the capricious

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Speaker 1: standard is just applied on behalf of this form. It's

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Speaker 1: just it makes me want to throw up. As an

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Speaker 1: American citizen, you know, we could protest India, puxta whatever,

614
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: nobody cares at all our own governments, and you should,

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00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, you should protest your government. But it's just

616
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: like with this one, it's just so naked the way

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Speaker 1: that it all were, and it's all again because of

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Speaker 1: this genuine obsession. And I know a lot of these

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Speaker 1: people who are obsessed. They really believe that all of

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Speaker 1: these folks are like paid assets to protest on behalf

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Speaker 1: of Palestine. And it's just such cope because you know,

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Speaker 1: even look, you know people here now, I couldn't stay

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Speaker 1: I even told advise people not to do this because

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00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: of you know, potential blowback in your personal life. But

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00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: if not only is it a right, they believe that

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Speaker 1: they're only doing it because of being paid like further action,

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and they just can't grapple with It's just as organic

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00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: as any right wing protests that we've seen. You can

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Speaker 1: offer support camps, you know, any of that other stuff,

630
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Speaker 1: but if people don't actually feel outraged about it, then

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Speaker 1: they're not going to show up. So you know, there's

632
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: always this AstroTurf argument, and they really believe like America

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00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: is just all like okay with what's all happening in Israel.

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Speaker 1: And I mean to the extent that they are if

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Speaker 1: they don't even know anything about it, I don't think

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Speaker 1: about it that much. With the people who are it's

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Speaker 1: like okay, fine, let them do whatever they want to do.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Trump even said prior to that, do

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Speaker 1: we have that the thing about him expelling people? Do

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Speaker 1: we have that? It is?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, we didn't pull it over Ryan and

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Speaker 1: I did a segment about it. I mean, he's basically

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Speaker 1: saying a US citizen would be expelled from their college,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I remember I was engaged in all

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Speaker 1: these fights back in the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen time

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Speaker 1: period over these kangaroo courts over like me too, allegations

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Speaker 1: that would expel students, and it was similar mass hysteria

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Speaker 1: over this basically denying not only do process rights, but

650
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Speaker 1: literally expelling students for some he said, She said incident. Well,

651
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Speaker 1: you know, here you have the government in a similar position,

652
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Speaker 1: just coming in and saying, even if you haven't committed

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Speaker 1: a crime, that expressing an opinion or doing wrong think

654
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Speaker 1: will get you expelled from college. Is That's the part

655
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Speaker 1: where I just can't take it, you know. And I'm

656
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Speaker 1: somebody who hates higher education. I'm happy to see Columbia

657
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Speaker 1: bother with the kank course. I my network benefit would

658
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Speaker 1: be cut, slash them all. I think it would be great,

659
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Speaker 1: but you know, to do it on behalf of Israel,

660
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Speaker 1: that's too much. That's too much. You got to at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, try and do it from the perspective of

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Speaker 1: what's good for us. That's the part that I can see.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it truly is outrageous. I mean, right now,

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Speaker 2: right now, Israel is cutting off They already cut off

665
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Speaker 2: aid to Gaza, and they're cutting off electricity to Gaza.

666
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: This makes it very like, this severely limits the amount

667
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Speaker 2: of just clean drinking water because you know, the salinization plants,

668
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: like the water purification obviously you need electricity. You're not

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Speaker 2: allowed to protest that. You're not allowed to have a

670
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Speaker 2: problem with that. Like you can have your status like

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Speaker 2: as a legal, lawful permanent resident here revoked without any

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Speaker 2: due process. You could be kicked out of school without

673
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Speaker 2: any due process. Total cart blunch for the government to

674
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Speaker 2: sift through your social media post and see if you're

675
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: engaged in any sort of wrong think. I mean, this

676
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: is I mean, this is truly some of the most

677
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: authoritarian anti First Amendment overreach that I have seen. And

678
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: we've laid the groundwork for many administrations, starting with the

679
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: Patriot Act, probably starting before that, but really ramp it

680
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Speaker 2: up with.

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Speaker 3: The Patriot Act.

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Speaker 2: You know, every administration has increasingly, you know, sought to

683
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Speaker 2: censor those who they you know, they found their voices

684
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Speaker 2: or their opinions to be inconvenient.

685
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Speaker 3: This is another level. It truly is another level.

686
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Speaker 2: And what they have done here it clearly elates this

687
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: Mahmu Khalil's rights to do process. The fact that they

688
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: have no idea where he is is terrifying and outrageous.

689
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: And the message that they are to trying to send

690
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Speaker 2: here also is terrifying and outrageous because many people will

691
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Speaker 2: think twice about speaking out for their own job and

692
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: school prospects, etc. And certainly if they are you know,

693
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Speaker 2: certainly if they are Green Carter student visa holders, etc.

694
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Speaker 2: And that's exactly the point the ADL said, like, I

695
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: hope this serves as a deterrent and that's exactly what

696
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: the goal here ultimately.

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Speaker 1: Is, Crystal, what are you taking a look at.

698
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Speaker 2: One of the weirder mysteries of the Kamala Harris campaign

699
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: was what the hell happened to Tim Wells?

700
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Speaker 3: So he came out of.

701
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Speaker 2: The gays hot, was turning his cable news campaign his

702
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: stellar Minnesota record into a vice presidential slot. He honestly

703
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: seemed like the perfect choice. He's an affable Midwesterner history

704
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: of electoral outperformance. He translated a down to earth vibe

705
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Speaker 2: into an incredible record in a purple state. In fact,

706
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: with his selection for the ticket, it seemed like Kamala

707
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: was aeshewing her previous cautious positioning to go bold with

708
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: a character who resonated on TV. It did not shy

709
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: away from using power. Walls had a natural talent for

710
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: pitching progressive policies in a way that felt moderate, and

711
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: characterized Trump and Vans in a way that went instantly viral.

712
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: These guys, they're just weird.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's something wrong with people when they talk

714
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Speaker 5: about freedom, freedom to be in your bedroom, freedom being

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Speaker 5: your zamroom, freedom to tell your kids what they can read.

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Speaker 5: That stuff is weird. They come across weird. They seem

717
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Speaker 5: obsessed with this. They continue to try and tell you.

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Speaker 5: And look, the thing that I find the most weird

719
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Speaker 5: about it is is they never do the things they say.

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Speaker 5: I heard one time, very early on, you do not

721
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Speaker 5: need your elected officials to give you a sermon, but

722
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Speaker 5: they should try and live one. And these guys are

723
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Speaker 5: weird on how they frame it. They are obsessed. And

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Speaker 5: I said it the other day the he Man Woman

725
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Speaker 5: Haters Club. I don't know where this is coming from.

726
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Speaker 5: And I have to tell you today here in Minnesota,

727
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Speaker 5: joyous day. I just appointed our newest Associate Justices Supreme Court,

728
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Speaker 5: Sarah Hennessy. Minnesota was the first state and we have

729
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Speaker 5: a majority women on the Supreme Court and we have

730
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Speaker 5: a woman of color as the Chief Justice. That scares

731
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Speaker 5: the hell out of these guys. That just terrifies them,

732
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Speaker 5: and then they start being weird. They think they have

733
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Speaker 5: to listen to their stories. They think they're connecting with

734
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 5: people and they tell things and everybody feels uncomfortable around them.

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Speaker 5: So I'm sticking with that because I don't know what

736
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Speaker 5: else describes it, but I know that it's more cynical

737
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 5: and it's deeper, and it's hurtful and hateful. But I

738
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 5: think one of the things you point out to this,

739
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 5: they're not offering us anything. They're not going to come

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Speaker 5: with a plan. And this is my thing. Every day

741
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 5: I ask where's your healthcare plan? So, yeah, they're weird,

742
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Speaker 5: and I am not changing that.

743
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Speaker 2: But of course he did not ultimately stick with that.

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Speaker 2: After what was a phenomenal launch, she quickly became a

745
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Speaker 2: massive draw on the campaign trail, and the Harris campaign

746
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: looked like they were set to use Walls's Minnesota record

747
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Speaker 2: as a way to fill in the gaps on Kamala's

748
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: own ideological vagueness. They released even a solid proposal to

749
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Speaker 2: go after price gougers, which caused a glorious Right We.

750
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Speaker 3: Meltdown about supposed price controls.

751
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: Wall suggested himself a focus on bread and butter issues,

752
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Speaker 2: things like paid leave, which had been really popular in Minnesota.

753
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: He leaned into JD vance mockery, even made some couch

754
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: jokes down on the campaign trail. But then sometime around

755
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: the DNC things really seemed to flip. Price gouging was out,

756
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Speaker 2: Opportunity economy was in, weird was out, Fascist was in,

757
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 2: and Sean Faine, head of the UAW was out.

758
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: Liz Cheney, Neocon was in.

759
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Speaker 2: Now Politico has revealed what many of us have long suspected.

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls was sabotage by an insecure Kamala Harris who

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Speaker 2: didn't want him to outshine her, and by dim witted

762
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Speaker 2: arrogant consultants who thought they knew better about what would

763
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Speaker 2: resonate than the organic response, which had originally graded Tim

764
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Speaker 2: Walls and his framing of the race. So, according to

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Speaker 2: Politico quote, after he was selected in early August, Harris

766
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Speaker 2: was not yet doing interviews, and aids did not want

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Speaker 2: Walls to get out ahead of her. Several former campaign

768
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Speaker 2: aids said Harrison Walls would not appear together for their

769
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Speaker 2: joint interview with CNN.

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Speaker 3: Until three weeks later.

771
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Speaker 2: Even into October, the Washington Post described him as a

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Speaker 2: quote surprisingly bubble wrapped campaigner, and as for his signature

773
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Speaker 2: framing of Republicans as weird quote, there were also efforts

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Speaker 2: to curb some of his signature lines, including casting Trump

775
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Speaker 2: and Republicans as weird, which slipped out of Walls's speeches.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: He was encouraged to stop focusing on the weird criticism,

778
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: said another former Harris aid, I think it is fair

779
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Speaker 2: to ask whether, even if weird wasn't quite right, his

780
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Speaker 2: instinct about how to approach Trump to make him seem

781
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: small and a huckster wasn't closer to correct than the

782
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Speaker 2: more self serious tone that may have made us sound too.

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Speaker 2: In defense, of the status will now. In an interview

784
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Speaker 2: with Politico himself, Wall slams the play it safe tactics,

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Speaker 2: which led them to position the campaign as if they

786
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Speaker 2: were sitting on a big lead rather than desperately trying

787
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Speaker 2: to pull off an upset quote.

788
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Speaker 3: We should have been playing this thing so safe.

789
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Speaker 2: I think we probably should have just rolled the dice

790
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Speaker 2: and done the town halls where voters may say, you're

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Speaker 2: full of shit. I don't believe in you, Walls continued.

792
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Speaker 2: I think there could have been more of that. We

793
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Speaker 2: as a party are more cautious and engage in the media,

794
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Speaker 2: both mainstream and non traditional, Walls said, and during the

795
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four campaign, he said, in football parlance, we

796
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Speaker 2: were in a prevent defense to not lose when we

797
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: never had anything to lose, because.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we were ever ahead. Now.

799
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Speaker 2: One thing you can say about Trump is he is

800
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: happy to tell campaign consultants and other advisers to piss off.

801
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 2: If he tests a line out on the campaign trail

802
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: and it gets a big response, he goes with it.

803
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: He's got a gut instinct about these things, yes, but

804
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: he also buys much more into the wisdom of the

805
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: crowd than what some focused group, poll tested suit tells

806
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: him he should be saying. Walls actually had a similar approach.

807
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Speaker 2: He didn't just invent weird for the Kamala campaign. He

808
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: had done a bunch of town halls. He talked to

809
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Speaker 2: voters all around Minnesota, and that was the Trump characterization

810
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: that he found really worked. So he brought it to

811
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Speaker 2: the national stage and an immediately hit. Bernie actually has

812
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Speaker 2: a similar approach. He's not out there checking his lines

813
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: over with a pollster. He is getting rockstar receptions, leaning

814
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Speaker 2: into the same mesage that has resonated with Americans.

815
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Speaker 3: He's spoken with for over fifty years. Now.

816
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: It helps that they both seem like they actually believe

817
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: in something too. There's new data that should further strengthen

818
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 2: Democrats resolve to get rid of all of these ariant, grifting,

819
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: idiotic consultants who think that they know better. A recent

820
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Yale study found they literally don't. Random people do just

821
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: as well predicting what political messages will resonate as do

822
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Speaker 2: paid political professionals.

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Speaker 3: These people, they are literally worthless.

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Speaker 2: You will be just as well off to throw darts

825
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: at a dart board and pick your policies as to

826
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Speaker 2: listen to these people. Now, there are signs that Walls

827
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Speaker 2: remains one of the Democratic Party leaders with the best

828
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Speaker 2: instincts in the country. In a recent interview with Molly

829
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: on Fast, he told her that Democrats need to stop

830
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Speaker 2: messing around with small ball and actually give voters real

831
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Speaker 2: change they can sink their teeth into.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen, look, I hear.

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Speaker 5: The thing out there is is that when we get back,

834
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Speaker 5: which we will, will fight. I'll tell you what people

835
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 5: are going to expect is they're not going to expect

836
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 5: to tinkle around the edge with the ACA. They're going

837
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 5: to expect universal healthcare. And if there's a lesson here,

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Speaker 5: I always said this. We had a one vote majority

839
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Speaker 5: in Minnesota. When we move clean energy, we move reproductive rights,

840
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Speaker 5: we moved. We moved a whole slew of progressive very popular,

841
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: including things around guns and gun safety, very popular thing.

842
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 5: We moved it with a one vote majority. And people ask, well,

843
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: what do you call a one vote majority a majority?

844
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Speaker 5: Simple as that.

845
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Speaker 2: Now, if you need a demonstration of how popular that

846
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: message is, how much energy there is behind it, just behold.

847
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: The response to an eighty three year old.

848
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Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders, who's been hosting overflow crowds on top of

849
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: overflow crowds in Midwestern swing districts.

850
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Speaker 3: It's actually insane.

851
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: Biden's average crowd is pointed out here when he was

852
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: president and running for reelection was thirteen hundred. Here is

853
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Bernie in Warren, Michigan on a random March day, attracting

854
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: more than ten thousand people. Now, as far as his

855
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight plans goes, Walls is playing koy keeping

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00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: it options open. I think opening up about the Harris

857
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: campaign's failures, I albeit in a diplomatic way, is definitely

858
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: step one. Getting back out there on the road for

859
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: town halls and districts where Republicans are too scared to

860
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Speaker 2: show up is step two. And then we'll see a

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00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: man definitely doesn't need to work on his debate skills.

862
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: But if she ditches the consultants, leans into his instincts

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Speaker 2: to be visible and to be bold with his economic agenda,

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