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Speaker 1: Before this episode published, I called Tiffany Horn. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make sure she knew what was coming. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to let her know that we begin with her brother, Trevor.

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Speaker 1: She said to me, I put my love for him

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Speaker 1: it often because it's too painful. But she insisted he

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Speaker 1: should be seen. He deserves it. And just so you

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Speaker 1: know this episode of Hitman might be hard to hear listener,

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Speaker 1: discretion is advised. A blade of grass. There was this

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Speaker 1: single blade of grass on Trevor's cheek when the police

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Speaker 1: found him on the morning of March third, nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: He was lying in his crib wearing his white and

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Speaker 1: blue Peachays. One of the nurses would later testify that

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Speaker 1: he was given a bath every evening before bed. They

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Speaker 1: couldn't have been thereby accident. He stayed in his wheelchair

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Speaker 1: any time he went outside. If he played, she said,

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Speaker 1: his room. The prosecutors argued that the grass had to

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Speaker 1: have come from the killer's hands, that he wrapped one

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Speaker 1: I came across the crime scene photos of Trevor last

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Speaker 1: year and I tried not to look. It almost felt disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: But this is the reality of what happened to him,

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Speaker 1: As Tiffany said, I owed him a moment of acknowledgement

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Speaker 1: of seeing him. I understand if you've been trying to

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Speaker 1: put Trevor out of your mind, if you'd rather I

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Speaker 1: tell you more about Motown or this crazy book hit man,

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Speaker 1: or the French publisher behind the murder manual, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you just want me to hurry up and get to

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Speaker 1: the part where they catch the killers. But anytime someone

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Speaker 1: tells me, oh, it's just to book, it's just a book,

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Speaker 1: it's just a book. I remember that a hitman entered

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Speaker 1: a quiet home in the middle of the night and

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Speaker 1: smothered an eight year old child. I remember that blade

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Speaker 1: of grass. It wasn't an accident. Trevor wasn't collateral. His

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Speaker 1: death was all part of the plan. It was the plan.

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Speaker 1: Trevor had to die in order for Lawrence to inherit

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Speaker 1: Trevor's money, but Millie had to die so that Lawrence

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Speaker 1: could inherit all of it. I'm Jasmine Morris from My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Hit Home Media. This is Hitman. It

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Speaker 1: took eighteen months for detectives to complete their investigation into

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Speaker 1: the triple murder of Trevor and Millie Horn and Janice Saunders,

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Speaker 1: but it only took one day for police to establish

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Speaker 1: a prime suspect in a motive. Millie had seen this coming.

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Speaker 1: She knew. She was very fearful for Trevor's life. Millie's

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Speaker 1: sister Maryland, and she was also fearful for herself because

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Speaker 1: she always said, I will not die in an aeroplane crash.

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Speaker 1: If something ever happens to me, it's Lawrence Horn. And

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Speaker 1: all the sisters were there and we laughed about it.

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Speaker 1: We're like Millie, he's crazy, but he's not that crazy.

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Speaker 1: She actually said that to you. She said that, she said,

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Speaker 1: that Lawrence Horn is never alone with Trevor. Lawrence never

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Speaker 1: took responsibility for Trevor, even on the day he was born.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't even show up for the birth,

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Speaker 1: He showed no interest. My brother being sick was such

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Speaker 1: which is looking back, really sad for her, but I

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Speaker 1: and when Trevor's life suddenly became valuable to Lawrence Horn.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Trevor and his twin sister, Tammiel were born

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Speaker 1: Doctors told Milly to put Trevor in a care facility.

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Speaker 1: His favorite story was Three Little Pigs. He was so smart.

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Speaker 1: This was not a case where this family was going

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Speaker 1: Even still, the lawyers felt Lawrence should be listed in

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Speaker 1: He made a good impression. He was a big, nice

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Speaker 1: It turned out that Lawrence Horn through a major bomb

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Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he said, Trevor lives

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Speaker 1: It was detached, It was matter of fact. Lawrence Horn's

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Speaker 1: family was awarded two million dollars, with roughly half of

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Speaker 1: Trevor had exhausted the lifetime maximum benefits on Milly's insurance

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Speaker 1: Trevor's care, which meant that every month, now six thousand

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Speaker 1: out of Trevor's one point seven million dollar trust fund.

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Speaker 1: All of this timing was because these policies had run

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Speaker 1: there's no accident about this timing. This was all done

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Speaker 1: to maximize the return to Lawrence. I remember Millie being

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Speaker 1: course she was right. A month later she was killed,

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Speaker 1: and as we're about to learn, Lawrence Horn had been

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Speaker 1: planning this for a very long time. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: When you think about Hitman, you probably imagine the ones

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Speaker 1: It was cryptic, but investigators believed this meant he was

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Speaker 1: going to take a photograph of Trevor to prove he'd

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Speaker 1: that what happened? Horn didn't mean to record it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he did. It cuts off because actually it

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Speaker 1: who taped everything. He made a career of taping Stevie

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Speaker 1: he was taping his telephone conversation when Perry called him.

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Speaker 1: That was a tape recording that was accidentally either taped

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Speaker 1: not sure we had the expression back then, but I

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Speaker 1: He wasn't able to say that was not James Perry.

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Speaker 1: The tape was was really something to hold up and

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Speaker 1: go here it is, ladies and gentlemen. Was there a

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Speaker 1: smoking gun? Probably The second phone call that Perry made

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Speaker 1: to Horn was was a crucial one, of course, that

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Speaker 1: was made you know, an hour or so after the murders.

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Speaker 1: The plan almost worked, They almost got away with it.

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Speaker 1: Perry left no identifying evidence behind. Lawrence had his alibi,

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Speaker 1: own name, who knows what would have happened. Here's what

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about next week. Even as investigators

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Speaker 1: telled the Hitman and the mastermind, why are tapping their phones?

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Speaker 1: Building their case, Lawrence was trying to pull off the

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Speaker 1: stood in his way, well, a couple of things. Millie's sisters,

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Speaker 1: my aunts were really strategic, especially my aunty Lane. She

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Speaker 1: made sure to file a civil suit like immediately to

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Speaker 1: block my dad from receiving my brother's estate, which is

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Speaker 1: without him being arrested, because we knew that was always

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Speaker 1: about power and control, of course, but the money he

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Speaker 1: wanted that money. Hitman is a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio and hit Home Media. It's produced and reported by

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Speaker 1: me Jasmine Morris. Our supervising producer is Michelle Lance. Mark

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Speaker 1: Latto is our story consultant. Executive producers are Main gesh Ha,

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Speaker 1: Tiktor and Me. Mixing by Josh Rogison, Michelle Lance and

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Speaker 1: Jacopo Penzo. Our fact checkers are Austin Thompson and Natsumi Ajisaka.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Andrew Goldberg, the Montgomery County States Attorney's

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Speaker 1: Office and the Criminal Department in Central Files at the

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