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Speaker 1: start with the very latest out of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on in Ukraine. Obviously since

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Speaker 2: biggest one right now. President Biden is actually currently in

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Speaker 2: on his way to the NATO Summit. At that NATO summit,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of discussion around membership,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get to. But the initial action that has

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Speaker 3: To provide Ukraine with cluster munitions.

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Speaker 2: This was a big decision by the White House asas

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Speaker 3: Here's what President Biden had to say.

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Speaker 5: We're in a situation where Ukraine continues to be brutally

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Speaker 2: So there's a very key point that President Biden just

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Speaker 3: In this war. This is a massive, massive.

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Speaker 2: Sea change in the way that we are considering the

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Speaker 2: what does he note? The cluster munitions that the United

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Speaker 2: The dud rate on these sub munitions has been observed

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Speaker 3: So the Pentagon is straight up lying here.

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Speaker 2: Part of why we have been so reluctant to provide

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Speaker 2: And I should also note about hypocrisy. One of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Let's be really clear. This is an

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Speaker 1: They're basically bombs that scatter a bunch of little grenades

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Speaker 4: Neither is Russia, neither is Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: By why but why so many countries and why even

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Speaker 1: percentage of those grenades do not detonate. That means that

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Speaker 1: frequently it's children that go and find them and they

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Speaker 1: Cites a study that says it's fifty percent of the casualties.

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Speaker 4: From these bombs are civilians.

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Speaker 1: There are other estimates that civilians represent up to ninety

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Speaker 1: seven percent of cluster munition casualties, again disproportionately. Children are

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Speaker 1: it is an immoral act, and it is clearly an

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Speaker 4: Even the New York Times iar.

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Speaker 1: You've got us apparently running low. And so this is

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Speaker 1: UK has criticized this action, Spain has criticized this action.

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Speaker 1: Many of our allies have criticized this action. And you know,

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Speaker 1: But so far we've heard very little. We did hear

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Speaker 6: Cluster bombs should never be used. That's crossing a line

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Speaker 7: So when Putin started using cluster bombs, the Biden White

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Speaker 7: The US government, the Biden administration, will potentially be engaging

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Speaker 6: What I think is that we would risk losing our

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Speaker 1: So she won't go so far as to call it

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Speaker 4: But that's a key question from Jake Tapper.

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Speaker 1: Hey, when it was Russia using these things, y'all didn't

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Biden administration, out of desperation and because Ukraine apparently

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Speaker 1: it's okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, And just to reiterate your point, this is

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Speaker 2: not something that you do as a sign of strength,

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Speaker 2: both from America's point of view and how destroyed our

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is from Sky News over at the UK. Here's

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Speaker 2: what they say. Quote US cluster bombs deal is a

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Speaker 2: clear signal the war is not going well for Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: This is from Mark Stone. America risk losing the moral

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Speaker 3: So why are they supplying it?

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Speaker 2: And as exactly you pointed to Crystal Even the New

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Speaker 2: against the rest, providing them with the location of Russian

440
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Speaker 2: general so they could kill them, and all of us

441
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Speaker 2: in flirting real close right up there to the line

442
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Speaker 2: of direct combatant status. And at the very same time, though,

443
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Speaker 2: we're being kept in the dark about what they actually

444
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Speaker 2: want to do. And so obviously this is going to

445
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Speaker 2: be very frustrating I think for a lot of people

446
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes inside of the Pentagon and others. But

447
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Speaker 2: because of the ideological capture that has happened within the elite,

448
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Speaker 2: you are unable to issue any real criticism of the Ukrainians.

449
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Speaker 2: And that's something that I think has shined through from

450
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Speaker 2: private conversations, things that I've heard and then also just

451
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Speaker 2: bubbled up through the military. You know, every time, we're like, hey,

452
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Speaker 2: maybe you should reserve some of this AMMO in Bakwood

453
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Speaker 2: because you're gonna lose anyway, and you got to get

454
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Speaker 2: this counter offensive. And they're like, now he knows what

455
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Speaker 2: he's doing. It's like, yeah, but it's our weapons. You know,

456
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Speaker 2: maybe we're the ones you should listen a little bit

457
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Speaker 2: to what we tell you to do with the greatest

458
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Speaker 2: military in the world.

459
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Speaker 3: And they're like, now we know what we're doing. Now

460
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Speaker 3: you run a low on AMMO.

461
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Speaker 2: We've got to tap our cluster munitions consistently. Also, you know,

462
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Speaker 2: in terms of their plans and other things, they really

463
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Speaker 2: only tell something whenever they want something from us. And

464
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Speaker 2: you know, in some way, I don't blame them like

465
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Speaker 2: somebody was so stupid they're willing to basically write me

466
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Speaker 2: a blank check.

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Speaker 3: Why keep them in the dark? Way right? In any ways,

468
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Speaker 3: it's actually more of an indictment.

469
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Speaker 2: I think of our leadership and our approach that's going

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Speaker 2: on with this conflict.

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Speaker 3: And also, don't underestimate this.

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Speaker 2: We don't know nearly as you know, there's like an

473
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Speaker 2: idea about the CIA and the intelligence community. They're all seeing,

474
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Speaker 2: all knowing, and all these people they've gotten some things right.

475
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Speaker 2: They got a lot of things wrong, you know, on

476
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Speaker 2: this conflict, and this shows you why do they get

477
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Speaker 2: a lot of things wrong?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other piece of this is the way

479
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Speaker 1: that they use the CIA to get around the Biden

480
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Speaker 1: administration's commitment that there will be no boots on the ground. Meanwhile,

481
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Speaker 1: there's you know, something like one hundred CIA personnel on

482
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Speaker 1: the ground. Apparently that doesn't count. They don't wear boots apparently.

483
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there's an open acknowledgment from Polish officials,

484
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Speaker 1: which again they've been the most talkish in all of this,

485
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Speaker 1: that the US really doesn't understand the Ukrainian state and

486
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Speaker 1: the quote reckless factions that exist there, says one Polish

487
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Speaker 1: official on the anonymously. You also had a US Defense

488
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Speaker 1: intelligence official saying, I hesitate to say the CIA has failed,

489
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Speaker 1: but they said sabotage attacks and cross border fighting create

490
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Speaker 1: a whole new complication and continuing Ukrainian sabotage quote could

491
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Speaker 1: have disastrous consequences. So, you know, this is completely out

492
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Speaker 1: of hand. We don't know what they're plotting. We know

493
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Speaker 1: very well that they were behind these various attacks that

494
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Speaker 1: they you know, immediately lie about and deny, and that

495
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Speaker 1: our own military establishment lies to the American people about

496
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Speaker 1: and pretends that it's maybe it's Russia, it's Russia, or

497
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Speaker 1: maybe we'll never know, or maybe it's better if we

498
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Speaker 1: don't get to the bottom of it. So it's pretty

499
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Speaker 1: stark to see the way that this war is actually

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Speaker 1: being carried out and just how directly involved the CIA

501
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Speaker 1: is on the ground, and how much they have really

502
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Speaker 1: failed in their job of understanding what the Ukrainians are planning,

503
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Speaker 1: let alone what the Russians are planning.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well said, Let's move on to the next part

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Speaker 2: here around NATO. As I mentioned, the NATO Summit's going

506
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Speaker 2: to be happening in Vilnius.

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Speaker 3: News just broke this morning, Crystal.

508
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Speaker 2: President Zelenski will actually be visiting the NATO summit, where

509
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Speaker 2: he will ask specifically for NATO membership as soon as possible.

510
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Speaker 2: President Biden has also talked about this request from the Ukrainians,

511
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Speaker 2: but also from pressure from other NATO allies, around whether

512
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Speaker 2: Ukraine should be admitted into NATO as soon as possible,

513
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Speaker 2: including at the summit.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say, should it get membership

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Speaker 3: in NATO, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think it's ready for membership in NATO.

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Speaker 8: But here's the deal.

518
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Speaker 5: I spent, as you know, a great deal of time

519
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Speaker 5: trying to hold NATO together because I believe has had

520
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Speaker 5: an overwhelming objector from the time he launched on hundred

521
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Speaker 5: and eighty five thousand troops in.

522
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Speaker 8: Ukraine, and that was to break NATO.

523
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Speaker 5: He was confident, in my view and many the intelligence community,

524
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Speaker 5: he was confident could break NATO. So holding NATO together

525
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Speaker 5: is really critical. I don't think there is unanimity in

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Speaker 5: NATO about whether or not to bring Ukraine into the

527
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Speaker 5: NATO family. Now at this moment, in the middle of

528
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Speaker 5: a war, for example, if you did that, then you know,

529
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Speaker 5: and I mean what I say, We're determined to commit

530
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Speaker 5: every inch of territory that is NATO territory. It's a

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Speaker 5: commitment that we've all made, no matter what. If the

532
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Speaker 5: war is going on, then we're all in the war.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess at least he's got enough together to

534
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Speaker 2: compute that basic fact. Unfortunately, our so called allies over

535
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Speaker 2: in Lithuania and the Baltic States don't seem to understand this.

536
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Speaker 2: Let's go to put this up there on the screen.

537
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Speaker 2: The Lithuanian leader who's hosting the NATO summon, says, quote,

538
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Speaker 2: give Ukraine a quick path to join NATO. Poland and

539
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Speaker 2: several other Baltic countries have been strongly pushing forward to

540
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Speaker 2: beg NATO to offer Ukraine official membership status as soon

541
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Speaker 2: as possible.

542
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Speaker 3: And of course, you know, look, we.

543
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Speaker 2: Are not going to sit here and validate entirely Vladimir

544
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Speaker 2: Putin's justification for invading Ukraine. Ridiculous obviously, why now, oh

545
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Speaker 2: you know, we offered Ukrainian membership into NATO in two

546
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight, never officially did it, so all miracle,

547
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden in twenty twenty two, it became

548
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Speaker 2: a crisis, all right, Like, let's put that aside as

549
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Speaker 2: obviously a farce now, though it would also be a

550
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Speaker 2: farce to say it had nothing to do with it,

551
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Speaker 2: and that NATO expansion in the Baltic region clearly aggravated

552
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Speaker 2: and created at tensions in the situation such that the

553
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Speaker 2: Russians felt on the back foot and validated longstanding Russian

554
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Speaker 2: paranoia about NATO and Western incursion into their spheres of influence.

555
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Speaker 2: Both of these two things can be true at the

556
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Speaker 2: same time, and NATO membership for Ukraine obviously is a

557
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Speaker 2: non starter for not only Russian leadership military leadership now

558
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Speaker 2: at this point, also for many people inside of Russia

559
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Speaker 2: who very much would feel validated at actually fighting a

560
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Speaker 2: war on these grounds. It's clearly something in my opinion,

561
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Speaker 2: which should be taken off the table for all time.

562
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Speaker 2: There's no reason to ever consider it. That doesn't also, though,

563
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Speaker 2: mean you can't provide security guarantees to to Ukraine. Outside

564
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Speaker 2: of that, Look at our relationship with Taiwan. You know,

565
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Speaker 2: they don't have a ironclad guarantee, but they've got a

566
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Speaker 2: pretty good one. Look at South Korea, look at Japan.

567
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Speaker 2: We have tons of allies all across the world which

568
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Speaker 2: we have security partnerships and such that don't still limit

569
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Speaker 2: and constrict you to the sole language of Article five.

570
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Speaker 2: We're in a take on one as attack on all

571
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Speaker 2: effectively guarantees a nuclear exchange between the great power. So

572
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Speaker 2: they are trying to get, you know, the best security

573
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Speaker 2: guarantee they can and you know, I guess I can't

574
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Speaker 2: blame Ukraine. You know, if I've been invaded, clearly something

575
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Speaker 2: I would want at the same time, but on our

576
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Speaker 2: perspective and really for the rest.

577
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Speaker 3: Of the world. This should be one of those where

578
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Speaker 3: the great power should have enough sense to say, look,

579
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Speaker 3: we can give security guarantees when this conflict is en

580
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Speaker 3: during some sort of negotiated piece, but NATO membership is

581
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Speaker 3: not going to happen, and Biden refuses to rule that

582
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Speaker 3: out Crystal, including in that interview.

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Speaker 1: I want to defend Biden though, because I know that

584
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Speaker 1: he was under a lot of pressure to provide some

585
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Speaker 1: sort of timeline to Krainian NATO membership, and not just

586
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Speaker 1: from the Lithuanians and the Baltic States, but quite a

587
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Speaker 1: number of NATO members were really putting a lot of

588
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Speaker 1: pressure on him, and he was quite clear here that

589
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Speaker 1: it is an absolute nonstarter while the war is going on,

590
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Speaker 1: which I appreciate hearing. And I also want to say,

591
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Speaker 1: you know, there could be some sort of tactical advantage

592
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Speaker 1: in keeping the possibility of Ukrainian NATO membership on the

593
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Speaker 1: table for future negotiations, because if you've already said no, no,

594
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Speaker 1: they're never going to be in well, that's obviously something

595
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Speaker 1: that Russia wants, so that's something that you could potentially

596
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Speaker 1: give them in a future negotiation. So while I agree

597
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Speaker 1: with you it's insane to imagine putting, you know, allowing

598
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Speaker 1: Ukraine into NATO. We never should have held that out

599
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Speaker 1: ever in the first place, and it's certainly exacerbated and

600
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Speaker 1: helped to contribute to the crisis that we face today.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate the fact that they left it out

602
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Speaker 1: there on the table, because I think it could be

603
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Speaker 1: a point of leverage and negotiation in some theoretical in

604
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Speaker 1: the future, negotiate itself.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

606
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're negotiating out in the public where

607
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: simply here you talking about it. However, we should take

608
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: a little bit of attention to the United States Senate,

609
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Speaker 2: where any ascension of Ukraine and to NATO would have

610
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Speaker 2: to pass. Given the makeup of our Senate, I actually

611
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: have no doubt that it would pass, which is terrifying. However,

612
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: there have been some actually sane voices in that chamber

613
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Speaker 2: we want to give credit to. Let's go and put

614
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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Senator Ran Paul responding

615
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Speaker 2: to Lindsey Graham, who says that he's working with Republican

616
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Speaker 2: and Democrats to pass a resolution urging the admission of

617
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Speaker 2: Ukraine into NATO, Rand Paul says, quote absolutely not. This

618
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Speaker 2: is exactly wrong as usual and could very well lead

619
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Speaker 2: to us with a war with Russia, something no one

620
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Speaker 2: should want. Lindsey Graham claiming Ukrainian NATO membership is the

621
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Speaker 2: best way to prevent future wars and promote peace and

622
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Speaker 2: create security guarantees that make aggressor nations think twice before

623
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Speaker 2: starting wars. I believe this is an overwhelming majority of

624
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Speaker 2: Senators support this proposition, probably unfortunately is right about them.

625
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Speaker 2: Senator JD Vance also weighing in yesterday, let's go ahead,

626
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Speaker 2: put this up there please on the screen. Quote He says,

627
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Speaker 2: why letting Ukraine into NATO, especially now, is a massive mistake.

628
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Speaker 2: Neo conservatives want to sign us up for a war

629
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Speaker 2: with Russia when we don't may have we don't make

630
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: enough artillery shells for someone else to use. I am

631
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: so sick of the bipartisan absence of wisdom on this war,

632
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: making only two senators now so far who are willing

633
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Speaker 2: to vote against this. And yet despite all of that,

634
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Speaker 2: Zelensky he won't drop it. Let's go and put this

635
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. He says, Ukraine is not

636
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Speaker 2: only going to prep for NATO membership and beg for it,

637
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Speaker 2: but also EU membership.

638
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Speaker 3: After the war.

639
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Speaker 2: Remember and recall that EU membership and that being all

640
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Speaker 2: the table is what led to a lot of consternation

641
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: inside of Ukraine previously during the so called color revolutions

642
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: and all of that, which initially led to some of

643
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Speaker 2: the Civil war breakaway regions and also Russian incursion into Crimeas.

644
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Speaker 3: So all of this is a.

645
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Speaker 2: Very complicated geopolitical picture, but of which we have to

646
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Speaker 2: pay the utmost attention to because any indication declaration text

647
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: offering Ukraine NATO membership would be a sea change.

648
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Speaker 3: Event in this conflict.

649
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: It would almost certainly ramp up whatever it was going

650
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: on then. But geos, you know, grand strategically, that would

651
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: change almost everything, and you know many NATO members have already.

652
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Speaker 2: Even Turkey, who is blocking Swedish membership, said yesterday I

653
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: believe Aredowan said Ukraine deserves membership.

654
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Speaker 3: That right, Yeah, he's an odd one.

655
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Speaker 2: Just remember he doesn't actually care about, you know, apparently

656
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Speaker 2: anything except himself, like even as Swedish objection is about

657
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Speaker 2: like PKK Kurdish ris right, yeah, but the Hungarians also

658
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Speaker 2: are blocking currently at least blocking Swedish membership inside of NATO.

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure what their beef is on the subject,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like that others wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 2: spelling about it. But of course, you know, the US

662
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Speaker 2: is the most important voice in this conflict. It also

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Speaker 2: harkens back to some drama that was happening while I

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Speaker 2: was off around who the next NATO leadership be. Right,

665
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Speaker 2: they ended up extending the current member's term because the

666
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Speaker 2: West wanted to nominate somebody who was less I guess,

667
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Speaker 2: hawkish on the Ukraine conflict, and then the Baltics were like, no,

668
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Speaker 2: we have to have somebody who will only support ascension

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine into NATO.

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Speaker 3: So there's still a lot of fractures, I think in

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Speaker 3: sadness alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, ultimately we're the big dog in this

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Speaker 1: whole situation.

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Speaker 4: I did like this.

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Speaker 1: I had to chuckle at this from Zelenski. In an

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Speaker 1: interview with Martha Radditz, he was asked about potential NATO membership.

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Speaker 1: He says, by the way, as Saga was saying, like

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Speaker 1: they're preparing for EU membership, all right, that's happening, he said, quote,

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Speaker 1: I assume that Ukraine will be a valued NATO country's

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Speaker 1: partner with actually the strongest armed forces in Europe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they have.

682
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Speaker 1: The strongest armed forces in Europe now given what we

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Speaker 1: and our allies have provided them. So that's the way

684
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Speaker 1: that he is framing things. So he is still very

685
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Speaker 1: much pushing for this, although he wasn't aggressive about pushing

686
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Speaker 1: it now currently. During the war, it was more sort

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Speaker 1: of accepting the Biden administration framing of after the war,

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Speaker 1: we're going to push for NATO membership. I also wanted

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Speaker 1: to update you, Sager on something you missed while you

690
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: were away, which is that Lindsay Graham's Trump went down

691
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Speaker 1: to South Carolina to do a status and Lindsay Graham

692
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Speaker 1: was introducing him, and I saw the headline. You know,

693
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Speaker 1: you see these things that are like so and so

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Speaker 1: booed and you listen to and there's like two people

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Speaker 1: that are going like all right.

696
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Speaker 4: That was underwhelming. I mean, this was bad. It went

697
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: on and on. He was trying to talk.

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Speaker 1: It was you know, just continued and continued, and then

699
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Speaker 1: Trump sort of like poked fun at him as well.

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Speaker 1: So he's not the most beloved figure of the GOP

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Speaker 1: right now, which I support.

702
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Speaker 3: I support that as well. Always put your trust.

703
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Speaker 1: Into people, all right, speaking of the Republican Party. We've

704
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Speaker 1: got some updates on the Republican primary. So, as we

705
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: told you before, Fox News had overtly, like clearly gone

706
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: all in for Roun DeSantis. Murdoch had had lunch with

707
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Speaker 1: him and Casey DeSantis before even the last election was

708
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: over and said we're going to be behind you. Looks

709
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Speaker 1: like they may be having a little bit of buyer's remorse.

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Speaker 1: You had Will Kine really pressing DeSantis, saying, you know

711
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Speaker 1: what's going on here? Your poll numbers are trash effectively,

712
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Speaker 1: and you also have Maria Barbiromo with a very tough

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Speaker 1: line of questioning as well as toick.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 9: Here's this weekend's headline from the Politico playbook, failure to launch.

716
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Speaker 9: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis' campaign to topple Donald Trump has stalled.

717
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: We are way.

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Speaker 9: Behind, says a top DeSantis pack official, shounding the alarm.

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Speaker 10: What happened, Oh, Maria, These are narratives. The media does

720
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Speaker 10: not want me to be the nominee. I think that's

721
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 10: very very clear. Why because they know I'll beat Biden.

722
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Speaker 10: You know, my reelection in Florida, we had the greatest

723
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Speaker 10: victory that any Republican governor candidate in the history of

724
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Speaker 10: the state had And yet a few months before the election,

725
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 10: I had media saying that somehow my re election campaign

726
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 10: was stalling, that we weren't doing anything, And so we're

727
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Speaker 10: doing what it takes to win. It's not a national primary.

728
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Speaker 10: That's not how these things are going. It's really on

729
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 10: the ground in those key the states. You got to

730
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Speaker 10: have the organization, you got to have do that. So

731
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Speaker 10: that's what we focused on.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy Sager how he says the media doesn't want

733
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Speaker 1: him to win when he's literally on the largest cable

734
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Speaker 1: news network that very much does want him to win.

735
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Speaker 2: Not only that, I mean, given his media attention is

736
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: just not true. Considering if he is pulling at the

737
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Speaker 2: same level as RFK Junior, ask yourself, which one gets

738
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Speaker 2: more our actual media attention. He is treated way more

739
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Speaker 2: seriously than Robert Francis Kennedy Junior.

740
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Speaker 3: And yet you know he can. I mean, look, no

741
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Speaker 3: doubt the media.

742
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Speaker 2: Doesn't like him, but that's I think they love Trump, yeah,

743
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: exactly something they love Trump. So I think it's kind

744
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: a bit of a ridiculous comparison. You know, one interesting

745
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: thing that you found is just a real analysis showing

746
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: pretty holistically that things are not going well for Ron DeSantis.

747
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Speaker 2: Go ahad and put this up there on the screen,

748
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Speaker 2: the decline of DeSantis showing basically a total net drop

749
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Speaker 2: from thirty eight percent in the GOP primary to twenty

750
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Speaker 2: three percent. And also whenever you look at his net

751
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: favorability ratings, he was actually slightly above now it's gone negative.

752
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: The most important, though, is his margin head to head

753
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: versus Trump one point three points in February now minus

754
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Speaker 2: twenty four point one. Arguably, Crystal, that is the most

755
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: important number that is there, which shows his margin of

756
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Speaker 2: head to head number drop, showing that he is not

757
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: viewed credibly as an actual alternative to Trump amongst people

758
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Speaker 2: who he would have to split away from the former president.

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Speaker 2: Just more you know, just showing you how strong Trump

760
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Speaker 2: remains in this primary.

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Speaker 1: I think those favorability numbers are a real problem for

762
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: him too. I mean, this is a key part of

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Speaker 1: his pitch, is like I'm Trump without the drama, people

764
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: like me more, I'll be more electable. When you're getting

765
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: significantly underwater on your favorability rings, that also makes it

766
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: a lot harder to come back, and it really cuts

767
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Speaker 1: against the core of the argument they were making just

768
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Speaker 1: before he got into the race, which is, Okay, yeah,

769
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: sure Trump is up in the polls, but once I

770
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Speaker 1: get in people see what I'm all about, then I'm

771
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Speaker 1: going to be able to rise.

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Speaker 4: They're going to like what they have to see. It's

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Speaker 4: exactly the oppo.

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Speaker 1: Since he's gotten in the race, people have soured on

775
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: him the more that they have seen him, frankly, and

776
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: the more that he has come under additional attacks, not

777
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: only from Trump but from the other Republicans who are

778
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: too afraid to go after Trump but not too afraid

779
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: to go after DeSantis. And then the other piece of

780
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: this is, you know, even in the head to head matchup,

781
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: so if you imagine a situation where everybody else drops down,

782
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: all the money and all the everybody coalesces around him.

783
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Speaker 4: Sort of like a Biden situation back.

784
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Speaker 1: Last time in the Democratic primary, even in that situation,

785
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: he has fallen off significantly in terms of his head

786
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Speaker 1: to head chances against Trump. You know another thing that

787
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: we talked about while you were away, Sager, is this

788
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: weird ad that his war room tweeted out that I'm

789
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: sure you saw where it was like bragging about like

790
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: the most anti trans governor blah blah blah, And it's

791
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: really clear that he has decided it's almost for him too.

792
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: We talked about this with the cluster bombs, but for

793
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: him too, it's kind of an active desperation, like he

794
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: has to go super hard right, has to really lean

795
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: into what are some of the least popular in terms

796
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: of a general election audience positions. And we talked early

797
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: on about how he had a very different, very difficult

798
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Speaker 1: path to walk because he needed to combine the people

799
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Speaker 1: who are in the Republican Party who are actively anti

800
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Trump because they're more moderate with the people who like Trump,

801
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: but maybe they'd be open and considering an alternative. So

802
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: he has had to really pick this kind of like

803
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: hard right conservative lane, and I think it makes it

804
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: difficult for him to be able to put together the

805
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: coalition he needs. And I think it also undermines that

806
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: pitch of I know how to win the electable guy,

807
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: and it's clear that Republican voters at least just don't

808
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: really buy that.

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Speaker 2: So for me, I just think that he is pursuing

810
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 2: a Ted Crue strategy. The true conservative, yeah, person who

811
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: is real and unfortunately, and a look, he is number

812
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Speaker 2: two and that's what Ted was, but if he want

813
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: to be number one, you have to be able to

814
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Speaker 2: combine some of that with at least a crossover of

815
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Speaker 2: what's going on. The problem for DeSantis is I think

816
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: he is actually leaning far too much into policy. I

817
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: don't even disagree with him that on policy, he's obviously

818
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: correct on so many of his critiques versus Trump, especially

819
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: in terms of implementation. But let's all be real, how

820
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: many people actually vote on policy right?

821
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Speaker 3: Almost nobody really.

822
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Speaker 2: I mean people say they do, but when you look

823
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: at what they say they like about Trump though he's

824
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: a fighter, he stands up for us. You know, he

825
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: drives people I like crazy, that's actually or I hate crazy.

826
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Speaker 2: That's probably the number one reason. The issue I really

827
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: believe for DeSantis is that he is both fighting this

828
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: like online campaign, which I really read that ad is

829
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of better online. There's a lot

830
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Speaker 2: of energy around the ad that he put out right

831
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Speaker 2: in terms of you were to spend some time kind

832
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: of on right wing Twitter, especially younger people who some

833
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: many of them aren't voting or working on the DeSantis campaign.

834
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Speaker 2: But if you were to go and you were to ask,

835
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Speaker 2: you know, the aggregate GOP primary voter, you know, the

836
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Speaker 2: typical one. This is a non college educated white man

837
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: who probably hasn't gone to college, and you ask him, like,

838
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: what are you most concerned about? He'd be like, I

839
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: hate the media, I hate Joe Biden, the economy sucks,

840
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe one or two things about the border, right, Yeah,

841
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: like that's going to be your top four. Well you

842
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: got to be focusing directly in on that, and that's

843
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: really what Trump excels.

844
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Speaker 3: At more than anyone.

845
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

846
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Speaker 2: Even also, I think Trump has taken a smart lane

847
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: while I was gone. I know, he called out DeSantis

848
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: again for being like what does woke even mean? Right,

849
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: because he's he's calling them out for over using the

850
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: term and kind of trying to undercut their core critique

851
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: really of US society, of Biden and others by saying

852
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Speaker 2: I'm the guy who fights, I think on all fronts.

853
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: So in general, Trump is running a very savvy campaign

854
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: right now against Desantas.

855
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Speaker 1: In that analysis that we put up a moment ago,

856
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: they cite a an April poll from Fox that found

857
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: only one percent of voters list wokeness or transgender issues

858
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: as the most important issue facing the country, and you

859
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: know it, I think there were a lot of part

860
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Speaker 1: of DeSantis's success in Florida was maybe a bit misread.

861
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Speaker 4: I think it had a lot to do with this

862
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Speaker 4: COVID policies.

863
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Speaker 1: I think it had a lot to do with, you know,

864
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Speaker 1: going against schoolob and same with Glenn Youngkin in Virginia,

865
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Speaker 1: where you know, that was the core of his appeal,

866
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: that he was opposed to these school closures which were really,

867
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Speaker 1: you know, really problem for a lot of parents, a

868
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Speaker 1: lot of families, and the results of which have clearly

869
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Speaker 1: been devastating. That was misread as an enthusiastic backing of

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Speaker 1: some of his other cultural positions which he has since

871
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Speaker 1: really leaned into. As that COVID policy and like the

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Speaker 1: COVID era has receded, and we saw in the twenty

873
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Speaker 1: twenty two midterms that didn't really work out for Republicans,

874
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: and I think we see even within a Republican primary,

875
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: it is not top of mind not to mention, as

876
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: you were pointing out Socer, it is sort of adorable

877
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: to imagine that voters are really going down like a checklist,

878
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: issue by issue to see where they align with each candidate.

879
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: That's not how it works. So anyway, some challenges therefore,

880
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: mister DeSantis, as even Fox News is like, dude, what's

881
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: going on with your campaign?

882
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: We put ourselves out there for you, and what is

883
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: going on?

884
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 3: It's undeniable. You can't read a poll.

885
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: You look at it and look, I don't want to

886
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: take away. He still could do well. Remember Ted Cruz

887
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: did win Iowa. He win Iowa, so it's possible he

888
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: could win Iowa. But he's got to pull off the

889
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: double whim. He's got to win Iowa, and he's got

890
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: to win New Hampshire. Iowould be huge in the feather.

891
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: But if he can beat Trump in the OG state

892
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: or Trump first one, that would be everything. But you know,

893
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: for him right now, I'm not seeing a path towards

894
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: that at all.

895
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: So Washington Post did a really interesting analysis of the

896
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: language that the Republican candidates are using on the trail,

897
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: like the top words that they use, that we wanted

898
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: to go through because.

899
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: I think it's really fascinating.

900
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: I think it's also kind of revealing about the way

901
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: that these different candidates are approaching the race. So let's

902
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: go and put the first one up on the screen.

903
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: You've got Donald Trump here, number one. They point out great,

904
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: and they highlight some of the ones that are like

905
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: different from the other countries. So it's not necessarily the

906
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: number one word that they use, but it's the ones

907
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: that are kind of unique to him. So great, Biden,

908
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: radical and border Sagary, you were pointing out how border

909
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: is very animating among the Republican base. Let's go and

910
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: put Dasantis up. DeSantis leans hard into his time as

911
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: Florida governor. The other things that you have here are COVID, kids, parents, FAUCI,

912
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: woke an ESG, and what I take away there is,

913
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, like really leaning hard into

914
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: what he's doing policy wise in Florida, which we just

915
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: discuss may not land.

916
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: All that much.

917
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: Still talking about COVID and FAUCI, something that has really

918
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: fallen off even among Republicans as a key issue. And

919
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: then the rest are on the cultural agenda ESG, which

920
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I guarantee if you pull a majority of the Republican

921
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: base probably has no idea what you're talking about, which

922
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Trump is going after as well. And then kids, which

923
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: fits into that piece. Let's put Mike Pence up on

924
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: the screen. Pence running hard for that evangelical right base.

925
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: His words include God, life. He's been probably the candidate

926
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: who is most staked down a hard right abortion anti

927
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: abortion position. Trump actually surprisingly he is probably the most

928
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: vocal in terms of talking about the former president, kind

929
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: of because he can't avoid doing it. And Constitution. So

930
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, some throwback language there. Nikki Hayley, let's put

931
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: her up on the screen. She's got some that I

932
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: think really reflect how she leans into her bio.

933
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 4: You've got the.

934
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: Word proud, strong, love and together and kind of similar

935
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: to Tim Scott. Put this up on the screen again,

936
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: some of the words leaning into his bio talks about

937
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: his mom a lot, apparently, God and faith. So also

938
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: making a play for that evangelical right base. What did

939
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: you think of some of this language, saga? Would you

940
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: take it for?

941
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: I thought that the most important ones for DeSantis were

942
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: terms that many Americans don't know. Who what is ESG?

943
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I hate ESG. I will critique it

944
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: here all day long. I know there's a lot of

945
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: discussion online about it, but I'm not an idiot, and

946
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: I know if I was running for president, I would

947
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: never talk about a Esg never because I know that

948
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: the vast majority of what we talked about previously, Like

949
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: voters don't have checklists. They're like, right, is the gas

950
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: price low? Do I like the guy? Is my wife

951
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: gonna give me some crap if I vote for this guy?

952
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: You know, Like what am I talking about with my neighbors? Man?

953
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: This stuff drives me crazy. Like that's basically that's mostly

954
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: amount of the.

955
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: Thought that most people put into actually all this. Uh

956
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: And you know, look, he's running the same strategy for

957
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: the nation that he ran in Florida. Not a terrible play,

958
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 2: but he's not focusing on the right elements. He has

959
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: to focus more on the economic message about population inflows

960
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: and about the booming economy that is what turning America

961
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: into Florida. He's talking too much right now about parents,

962
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: fauci Esg. It's like the ultimate validator is you left

963
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: your state to come live here. Let's make America just

964
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: like that.

965
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 3: You're positive.

966
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: That's kind of a almost like a Reaganesque type message

967
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty And unfortunately, I think he's learned many

968
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: of the worst lessons from validation on the inter you know,

969
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: Trump's are so basic. And that's also was one of

970
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: those genius things as a politician. Everything he says is

971
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: like at a second grade reading level. He's got radical

972
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: border great and Biden easy? Yeah, what do you identify

973
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: with Trump? He always exaggerates everything is gonna be great

974
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: whenever it's the border. Okay, He's against Biden's position on

975
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: the border, radically talks about the radical left his opponent

976
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: Joe Biden.

977
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: That's exactly the right play, you.

978
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: Know, with Mike Pence, it's almost like a meme out

979
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: of a Mark Levin, you know, type show Constitution, Life

980
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: and God, Nikki Haley, you know, the fake Reagan esque

981
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: vibes that I was talking about, like together and strong

982
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: and love and I'm a fighter and I'm always kept

983
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: surprised kicking didn't make the list.

984
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: Tim Scott, you.

985
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: Know, he can't help it being deared to the man

986
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: that he says, Mom and God and faith.

987
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: I mean great. That said, you know that there's a

988
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: lot of people, I.

989
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: Think in the GOP primary who love their mom and

990
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: who love God and who love faith. So it's not

991
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: like it's a very unique position that you're taking.

992
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: Overall.

993
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: I just thought that the sheer simplest of Trump, and

994
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: what he's saying is exactly why I think he's leading

995
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: so well on this primary.

996
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 4: I mean, it's really simple. Trump is just a really

997
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 4: good politician, you know.

998
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you listen to him on the stump and

999
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: even like, I can't stand the guy, and I can't

1000
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: help but be chuckling at some of what he's saying.

1001
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: He does all of these like comedic bits, and he's just.

1002
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: A really good politician, and the Republican base really likes him.

1003
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: And so it's you.

1004
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: Know, it's a tough thing to figure out how to

1005
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: crack that. And thatt, I did want to put The

1006
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: last one I wanted to put up here is Chris Christy. Guys,

1007
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: it was the next one in the list after Tim Scott.

1008
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: There we go.

1009
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 4: This is kind of interesting to me.

1010
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: So he talks a lot, apparently about how leaders of

1011
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: both major parties are making Americans smaller with divisive messages,

1012
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: and some of his top words were smaller, small, and big.

1013
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, he says, at every pivotal moment in history,

1014
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: there was a choice between small and big, and America

1015
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: has succeeded because we always picked big. I would say,

1016
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: out of all these candidates, Chris CHRISTI, just in terms

1017
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: of political talent, is probably the second most talented, just

1018
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: like raw political scale is Trump. I do think in

1019
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: some of this just simple straightforward language, you see why

1020
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: he is a very effective communicator. And Chris Christy is

1021
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: not going to be the Republican nominee. You know, he's

1022
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: really takes a stake down a position as like the

1023
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: anti Trump candidate and wants to go in there and

1024
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: not Trump Dad a peg. But I do think you

1025
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: see why he was able to get elected in New Jersey,

1026
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: why he was such a darling of the right for

1027
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: so long, and why he is that. You know, he

1028
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: is a very effective communicator, and he actually has jumped

1029
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: up in the polls a bit more than I e.

1030
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: I mean, he's still in single digits.

1031
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to like overplay it here, but he

1032
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: has leapfrogged a number of these other candidates who also

1033
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: get a lot of attention.

1034
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 4: I think it's a testament to the way that he speaks.

1035
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: Chris Christy is always a great communicator, but I think

1036
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: he was elected in a blue state for a reason.

1037
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: He's not a hard right politician, and the GOP primary

1038
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: is a hard right game.

1039
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: He missed his moment in.

1040
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: Twenty twelve whenever people were looking for that alternative, you know,

1041
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 2: with Obama. And then more broadly, I think that what

1042
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: you see in this is that as if you're prosecuting

1043
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: a case against the most popular Republican since Ronald Reagan.

1044
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: Sorry, you're not going to be the Republican nominee. You're

1045
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: going to be great on television. I wish you the

1046
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: best of luck.

1047
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would really like to interview Actually, we'd like

1048
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: to interview any of these people here, so all of.

1049
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: You out you know, we're working on it, and get

1050
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: him here on the show. But I mean, the point though,

1051
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, with Christy is it's like you're going to

1052
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: You're just not going to be the GOP primary or

1053
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: win a GOP primary.

1054
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are going to win television.

1055
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: And I think actually I would like to see him

1056
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: just be more honest, you know, on TV and kind

1057
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: of his unvarnished thoughts. I really would like that from

1058
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: many of these people, But unfortunately for a lot of them,

1059
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 2: they always think that they can have it both ways,

1060
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: and it's just like, guys, this just not how it works,

1061
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: just not how you win an actual life.

1062
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: Do you think that he This is one where I'm like,

1063
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: do you think he deludes himself to thinking he can win?

1064
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: Yes? I do you think he's got that level of ego?

1065
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: Many you can't listen, you know. I always think about this.

1066
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: For these people, they give up everything, their anonymity, their families,

1067
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: They miss some of the most important things and events

1068
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: in their parents and children's lives so they can attend

1069
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: some fundraiser for like women against whatever. You know. Yeah,

1070
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: it's like to succeed in the business, you have to

1071
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: have it a hard wired that this is everything, and

1072
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 2: you have to have in many respects for all success,

1073
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: you have to have a delusional faith in oneself. So

1074
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: it's paid off many times before. He genuinely thought he

1075
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: could win last time. I know that for a fact.

1076
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: I attended actually an event where he really was you

1077
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: going for it? And even when he was very low

1078
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: in the polls back in twenty sixteen. So yeah, I

1079
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: think he believes it. I think all of these guys

1080
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: believe it, at least in some way. Otherwise, why would

1081
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: you sacrifice so much of what you have?

1082
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1083
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: I think some of these guys know that they've got

1084
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: next to no chance.

1085
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 4: But it's just like a savvy.

1086
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: Media career play at this point, like there's not that

1087
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: much to lose, there's a lot to gain.

1088
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Just being in the conversation and keeping irrelevance is worth

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 4: So listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know which bucket Chris Christy falls in particular,

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00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: but he also could be one that just feels like,

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00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: all right, even if I don't win, like I'm going

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00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: to say things that other people aren't going to say.

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00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: So people need to hear that message and that could

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00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: be that could be part of what he's doing. Let's

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00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: talk about you know what we can parse in terms

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00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: of where the economy is. We got a big jobs

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Speaker 1: report on Friday. Numbers were a bit disappointing. Let's put

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00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. The payrolls rose by two

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00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: hundred nine thousand in June.

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00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: That was less than expected.

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00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: The headline from CNBC says, as job growth wobbles.

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00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 4: The total, while still solid.

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Speaker 1: They say from a historical perspective, marked a considerable drop

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Speaker 1: from May's downwardly.

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00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: Revised total of three hundred and six thousand. So May

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: had been.

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Speaker 1: Initially calculated as higher. They revised it down to three

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00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: oh six and it was the slowest month for job

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Speaker 1: creation since payrolls fell by two hundred and sixty eight

1113
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: thousand back in December twenty twenty. The unemployment rate, though,

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00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: did decline by point one percentage point. They also took

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: a look at wage numbers. They said they were a

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00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: little bit stronger than expected. Average hourly earnings increased by

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00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: point four percent for the month and four point four

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Speaker 1: percent from.

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Speaker 4: A year ago.

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Speaker 1: The average work week also increased a little bit. Another

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Speaker 1: thing they take a look at here is the labor

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00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: force participation rate, So what percent of you know, people

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Speaker 1: who could be in the workforce actually are in the workforce.

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Speaker 1: That apparently held steady still below its pre COVID pandemic level.

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Speaker 1: But the for workers who were in what is considered

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Speaker 1: their prime to use some dun lemon language here, between

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00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: twenty five and fifty four years of age, that actually

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00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: rose some more workers participating in their prime years. And

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Speaker 1: you have some indications here that you know, it's a

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00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: little tepid, it's a little bit wild, and it also

1131
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: indicates that you probably don't probably wasn't poor enough of

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00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: a report though to change what the FED is planning,

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00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: which is to continue hiking rates.

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00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Right, and you found this really interesting piece which it's

1135
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: really unfortunate. We've been predicting here for a long time.

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00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: Let's go with this up there on the screen gives

1137
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: the great resignation is over.

1138
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Speaker 3: Can worker power endure?

1139
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: And the furious pace of job switching has led to

1140
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: big gains for workers initially, but that pendulum right now

1141
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: is swinging back towards employers. This is really what we've

1142
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: warned about, you know, for the entire time, Crystal, which

1143
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: is that the more that the Federal Reserve puts downward

1144
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: pressure on the economy and increases the unemployment rate, that's

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00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: going to give employers even more leverage in this economy

1146
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: where previously workers were able to leverage their labor and

1147
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: the labor shortage that ensued post COVID insanity in order

1148
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: to bargain for a higher wage. And the equilibrium that

1149
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: we ended up with is actually really bad because while

1150
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: we did get some of these people raises, and I

1151
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: think that's fantastic, inflation so far outpaced the modest game,

1152
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: the overall cost of living remains worse even with their

1153
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: higher wage than where they are right now and now

1154
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: we have actually kept our inflation from supply side problems

1155
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Speaker 2: even though it's gone down quote modestly, and we've increased

1156
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: you overall unemployment rate, putting even more downward pressure on

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00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 2: wages for the overall economy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So something actually kind of extraordinary and unique in our

1160
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: lifetimes happened over the past little while, which is because

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Speaker 1: post pandemic, you had you know, a lot of people

1162
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: who didn't want to be on the front lines of

1163
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: a pandemic and wanted to get out of the service sector.

1164
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: They exited and tried to find different careers, and so

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00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: you had this huge demand for service workers, and you

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Speaker 1: actually had wages increasing quite a bit at the lowest

1167
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Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, and so for the lowest wage workers,

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00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: they actually did get wage increases that more than kept

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Speaker 1: up with inflation. And you had a significant chunk of

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Speaker 1: the you know, inequality that has been mounting over the

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Speaker 1: the past number of decades, you actually had it declined.

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Speaker 1: Because you also had rich people as markets were going down,

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Speaker 1: taking a big haircut post pandemic. Of course, they got

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Speaker 1: a huge massive wealth transfer during the pandemic, So no

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00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: one's going to cry for them, but that was a

1176
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Speaker 1: really extraordinary situation, and it held some promise of Okay,

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Speaker 1: if the labor market can stay tight, maybe there are

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Speaker 1: some real gains that can be made here among low

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Speaker 1: wage workers. And the warning signs here both in terms

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Speaker 1: of now we've got you know, tepid jobs report, lower

1181
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: than expected, they downly revised last month, and you now

1182
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: have workers that are no longer behaving the way that

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00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: they did previously when jobs really felt like they were

1184
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: plentiful and they really felt like they could shop around.

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Speaker 1: It's a real warning sign that, you know, some of

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00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: those gains that were made for low wage workers, some

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Speaker 1: of the power they were able to accrue in terms

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Speaker 1: of increase activity and the labor movement more strikes all

1189
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Speaker 1: of those sorts of things, like some of that may

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Speaker 1: be dying down, which you know, would would be really

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00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: disappointing and dire because there is so much rebalancing that

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00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: needs to be done after you know, like fifty years

1193
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: of everything going to the corporations, everything getting funnel to

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Speaker 1: the top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're in a very stagnant period. So

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00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: the big problem is is that the biggest growing sector

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Speaker 2: of our economy is facing effective recession.

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Speaker 3: Technology.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the economy isn't really Some manufacturing is

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Speaker 2: coming back, certain sectors.

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Speaker 3: Things are actually going well.

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Speaker 2: We're actually investing a historic amount of manufacturing dollars as

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00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: a result of the Inflation Reduction Act.

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Speaker 3: But I think is great.

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00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: At the same time, we got low wages, we got

1206
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: high unemployment. We feel a lot of stagnation. People have

1207
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: a deep unsatisfied, deep like unsatisfaction.

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00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: With the state of the economy.

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Speaker 2: All of that, we have housing mortgage prices at so

1210
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: high and yet zero drop in the overall housing market,

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: and it's one of those where the cost of living

1212
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 2: feels more unattainable than ever before for the American dream.

1213
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Speaker 3: I think that's really the only way I can describe it.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

1215
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Speaker 2: It's very odd and odd in the worst I think

1216
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: for the average consumer and more and more, I just think,

1217
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, I always think something has to break, but

1218
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: it really never does. You know, you put the mortgage

1219
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: rate at like seven percent, sometimes it does sometimes, at

1220
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: least with this, I was like, man, there's no way,

1221
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 2: I mean, housing markets got a cool right, Nope, turns

1222
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: out we have so little supply of housing people are

1223
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: still willing to eat one hundred percent higher mortgage payments.

1224
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: Just live in the house. Yeah, same with rent. I

1225
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 2: mean rent is crazy high right now.

1226
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: People are still moving.

1227
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those where and the credit card

1228
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: debt is in an all time hinds.

1229
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Foreclosures have gone up, you know, people getting kicked out

1231
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: of their apartments, evictions have gone up. So you know,

1232
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: I've been I'm sure you've probably been watching Jeff Stein

1233
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter has been fighting with people about all of these,

1234
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: like economists Beltweg type economists or like lecturing the American

1235
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: people about how they just don't really understand how great

1236
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: the economy actually it is is. And this is the

1237
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: this is also the pitch that the Biden team is

1238
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: making they're trying to sell Bidenomics, is like, look at

1239
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: what great things we've done for your life. And meanwhile,

1240
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: you ask the American people how things are going, and

1241
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: they're like, it's really shitty, and we're really pessimistic, and

1242
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: actually our financial position has eroded and we are not

1243
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: remotely hopeful about the future, and we think the country's

1244
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: on the wrong track. Good luck trying to sell an

1245
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: economy to the American people that they do not feel

1246
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: is going well for them. Huge disconnect between the language

1247
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: that's coming out of you know, official Washington, especially on

1248
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: the Democratic side, and from mainstream economists and the way

1249
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: people actually experience the economy in their lives. And if

1250
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: I had to say, I think it's exactly what you're

1251
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: pointing to, Sager, which is like the ability to have

1252
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: a stable, middle class, non precarious life where you've got

1253
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: healthcare and you can send your kids to college, and

1254
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: you can, you know, afford a house and afford a

1255
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: mortgage and have nothing fancy, just like a normal middle

1256
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: class life. It feels like you have to be it

1257
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: feels like you have to be a multimillionaire in order

1258
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: to pull it off. People just feel like this is

1259
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: wildly unattainable and I'm never going to get there in

1260
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: my entire life.

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Speaker 3: Basic And look, nobody is a right to European vacation.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have.

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Speaker 2: A right too, but it's nice, you know, it's nice

1264
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: to go guess what flights sky high. I got friends

1265
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: who literally are doing very well in life. We're looking

1266
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: at the bills that it would have made to go

1267
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: to Europe this summer, and they're like, oh, it's not

1268
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 2: going to happen.

1269
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, you know, they're not going to cry for

1270
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: these people.

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00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: But that said, it's like, if they can't afford a

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00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: vacation to make it two hundred grand a year, it's like,

1273
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: what is the what even Disney World?

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: What are you supposed to do? And also, you know,

1275
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: as Disney as we've talked about this, but.

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Speaker 2: From what I've heard too, the price is a Disney

1277
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: World or sky high, the experience has effectively been ruined

1278
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: if you're not really rich. It's like, is there anything

1279
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: left in this country other than the national parks actually

1280
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: do something relatively low cost and for free.

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Speaker 1: I will I will definitely come out in favor of

1282
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: vacations for all.

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00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 4: I do think.

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: I do think everyone has a right to if they

1285
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, work hard and you know, working full time,

1286
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: playing by the rules to be able to take a

1287
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: little time off and go on a modest beach vacation

1288
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: or take their kids to Disney World or whatever. But

1289
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: we are we're far from that dream.

1290
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 4: All right.

1291
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: We want to give you an update on this whole

1292
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: Elon Musk versus Mark Zuckerberg situation, which is sort of

1293
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: degrading by the day. As you guys know, Zuck launched

1294
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: a Twitter competitor, being billed as a potential Twitter killer

1295
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: called Threads, sort of attached to Instagram. If you've got

1296
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: an Instagram and account, very easy to pourt it over,

1297
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: very seamless. Tech seems to be relatively good.

1298
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 4: There are some problems, so let's get to that in

1299
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: a moment.

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: Well, Elon and Twitter are actually threatening to sue Meta

1301
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg over Threads. Let's put this up on the screen.

1302
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: A lawyer for Twitter, Alex Buro, sent a letter to

1303
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, accusing the company of engaging in

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Speaker 1: quote systematic, wilful, and unlawful misappropriation of Twitter's trade secrets.

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Speaker 4: And other intellectual property.

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01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: Twitter intends to strictly enforce its IP rights and demands

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Speaker 1: that Meta take immediate steps to stop using any Twitter

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Speaker 1: or trade secrets or other highly confidential information. And apparently

1309
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: what they what they allege happened here actually is that

1310
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Speaker 1: Zuck hired a bunch of the people that Elon had

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Speaker 1: fired and then used them to develop Metash the Threads technology. Now,

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01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg denies that, says that nobody who came from

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Speaker 1: Twitter was used in the development of the product whatever.

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Speaker 4: I actually think it would be kind of funny if

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 4: they were. I can't really there would be a small.

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Speaker 2: Why what's wrong with that? I mean, am I crazy?

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: Like if you fire somebody and then another person hired. Look,

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: maybe I don't understand the exact you know, intricacies of

1319
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: IP theft law, non disclosure right sands of which I'm

1320
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: sure these people are Party two. That said, if you

1321
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: literally sever somebody from your company and then you hire

1322
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: somebody for their expertise running said platform, I don't really

1323
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: see anything wrong with it.

1324
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 4: Like good old fashioned competition.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the other thing is, like I they're

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: threatening this, they haven't actually filed anything yet, which tells

1327
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: me maybe they don't feel like their legal position is

1328
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: that strong.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I do

1331
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: know that Mark Zuckerberg and his company have like ripped

1332
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: off other tech platforms technology previously, not in that they

1333
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: like actively stole trade secrets or whatever, but you know,

1334
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: they saw what Snapchat was doing they incorporated into stories.

1335
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: They see what TikTok is doing, and they try to

1336
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: incorporate that as well. This is just like what happens

1337
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: in the tech world. There's not that much innovation. It's

1338
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: just everybody like copying whatever is the latest thing. So

1339
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: I have a feeling they are well versed in what

1340
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: the limits of that are. I suspect that this probably

1341
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of leg to stand on, but

1342
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not an expert here, so who knows.

1343
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1344
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: On the legal front there, we also have some developments

1345
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: on the fight between the two. Let's go and put

1346
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Zuckerberg copying Elon's one

1347
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: word's concerning answers, replying trollishly to a thread on his

1348
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: new platform about whether threads itself was being throttled on

1349
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: the Twitter trending platform. Elon meanwhile saying, quote, zuck is

1350
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: a cuck in response to a tweet there about Zuckerberg

1351
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: alleged censorship and all of that. I'm not exactly sure

1352
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: what he's going for there At Crystal he's saying basically

1353
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: that Zuckerberg is like the king of censorship. So listen overall,

1354
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, the childish antics aside of which it's very

1355
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: possible what that we could see at actual cage match

1356
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: here happening don't.

1357
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: I think the cage match is off, but there was

1358
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: an update. Elon then replied to the zuck as a

1359
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: cuck thing and said, I suggest a literal dick measuring contest.

1360
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: So that's the latest, the latest that's been floated that.

1361
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Speaker 2: I can update you on me and I guess you

1362
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: know what, They're just like us, you know, childish people,

1363
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: even whenever you have over one hundred billion.

1364
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: But let's actually be serious here.

1365
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: I took some time, played a little bit with threads,

1366
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: and I have some complicated feelings.

1367
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 3: Just's go and put this up there on the screen.

1368
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: First, in terms of the success, Meta's Threads has over

1369
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: seventy million sign ups, which actually even surprised Mark Zuckerberg,

1370
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: or at least that's what he said. You know, undeniably

1371
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: having seventy million signups in just a couple of days

1372
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: is really good.

1373
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, in.

1374
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: Contrast, you know, right now, Elon's Twitter has two hundred

1375
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: and thirty eight three hundred and thirty seven eight million

1376
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 2: users as of July of twenty twenty two, the last

1377
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: time that they had to go ahead and describe their

1378
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: overall numbers. So if you're able to get a significant

1379
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: portion of that in just the first couple of days.

1380
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: That's a big deal in terms of the functionality and

1381
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: all of that I took.

1382
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: I've sent two threads so far. Some thoughts.

1383
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how much this will apply to

1384
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: everybody else. First of all, Crystal, I rarely tweet, and

1385
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: even when I do, it's usually so I can just

1386
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: post it on Instagram. So the ability for to have

1387
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: a quote unquote thread and just easily repost it onto

1388
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: my story or my feed love that. Yeah, it might

1389
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: probably very specific to people with larger audiences like us,

1390
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: something we're talking about with Griffin, our producer this morning.

1391
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: I am skeptical and curious to see whether people actually

1392
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: do want to use is a Twitter alternative to follow

1393
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: just their friends. The reality is most people use their

1394
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: Twitter to follow bigger accounts, right like celebrities and others.

1395
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: But at the same time, people's Instagram consumption has changed.

1396
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: It's not just your friends, it's also you follow bigger accounts, influencers.

1397
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: All those other people.

1398
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: But you do follow them on Instagram for a reason,

1399
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily follow them on Twitter. Also, for a reason,

1400
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: Twitter is a great place for aggregation of news for

1401
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: discussion for you know, obviously what it's well known for,

1402
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: it's not really been Instagram's thing. Can they replicate their

1403
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: ability to have a breaking news environment, to have high content,

1404
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: high content that's valuable to a certain select group of

1405
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: users and get them addicted to their platform? Right, I'm

1406
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: not yet sure that that's possible. But the overall functionality

1407
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: I like it a lot. I actually do like, like

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01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: I said, that cross posting ability. But in terms of

1409
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: the complication for me, does Facebook really need more vertically

1410
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: integrated products? You know, I was I was thinking, you know,

1411
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 2: I was just in India. Everyone's using WhatsApp and the

1412
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: entire time I'm just like, man, I'm using Facebook product here,

1413
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't know if this stuff is

1414
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: actually encrypted, is actually going to do well? You know,

1415
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a basic communication.

1416
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 11: You know.

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01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: They even have WhatsApp payment in some places. Oh interesting,

1418
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 2: All India is obsessed with mobile payment, WhatsApp, Google Pay,

1419
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: all of us and again same thing. All I can

1420
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: think is man, the domination here, These big tech companies

1421
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: have over so much of the daily lives, your communication,

1422
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: your payments, all this this is a Chinese style system.

1423
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: Effectively in a private company, and that makes me that's uncomfortable. So,

1424
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: you know, I don't really know who to root for

1425
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: here because I do not want the Twitter killer to

1426
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: come from an already established social media platform. Yeah, we

1427
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: do have to give Zuck credit. It's a good product.

1428
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: It's done well. Clearly, there's an appetite. Vertical integration works

1429
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: for a reason whenever you're a monopoly, and I do

1430
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: think that he's got I think he's got a good

1431
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: product here on his hand that actually could work.

1432
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1433
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we have more choices of oligarchic like Babyman

1434
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: to these platforms we can pick from. So I don't

1435
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: I don't ever think that there's anyone to really cheer

1436
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: for here. Put this last piece up on the screen.

1437
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: E for so this guy that you see his tweet

1438
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: over on the side of the screen, he I think

1439
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: is ahead of Instagram or high up in Instagram.

1440
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 4: And so he.

1441
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: Basically is indicating like we don't really want politics all

1442
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: that much. On threads he says politics and hard news

1443
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: are important. I don't want to imply otherwise, but my

1444
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: take is from platforms perspective, any incremental engagement or revenue

1445
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: they might drive is not at all worth the scrutiny negativity,

1446
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: let's be honest, or integrity risks that come along with them.

1447
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: There are more than enough amazing community, sports, music, fashion, beauty, entertainment,

1448
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: et cetera to make a vibrant platform without needing to

1449
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: get into politics or hard news. So I mean this

1450
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: is kind of telling as well, like they don't even

1451
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: really want politics on their platform because and we've seen

1452
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: this before. I mean, we see this on YouTube where

1453
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: it's divisive, it's edgy, it's controversial, all of these questions

1454
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: about misinformation and extremism and people being radicalized and whatever

1455
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: that almost exclusively falls into the domain of politics and

1456
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: hard news. So also, Threads is one hundred percent algorithmically driven,

1457
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: so like you follow who you follow, but then it's

1458
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: not like you can just get the stream of consciousness

1459
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: timeline that you can get on Twitter. It's all formulated

1460
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: by an algorithm. So this would suggest that they're going

1461
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: to sort of discourage and suppress political and hard news content.

1462
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: So I mean, listen, this is the problem with leaving

1463
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: these platforms that are supposedly like the te virtual.

1464
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 4: Town Square and critical der democracy and whatever.

1465
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: This is the problem with leaving them to the whims

1466
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: of the market and profit making decisions because from a

1467
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: business perspective, I can't blame them. That is what would

1468
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: make sense. From a business perspective, it saves you a

1469
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: lot of headaches. So I can see a world where

1470
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: Threads is successful. I think Threads will be successful. I mean,

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 1: seventy million sign ups incorporated in with Instagram. You already

1472
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: have you know, a big fan based on Instagram of

1473
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people you it there. They've

1474
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: been successful at bringing over a bunch of like big

1475
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,959
Speaker 1: celebrities and public figures who are already on the platform

1476
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: and posting their threads whatever.

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01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 4: I think it's very possible you.

1478
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: Have thread succeed and you also have Twitter still out

1479
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: there as the locusts for politics and hard news, and

1480
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: that they are successful as well. I also think it's

1481
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: possible that you could continue to have a fragmenting of

1482
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: the user base where it does segregate more into ideological spaces,

1483
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: which you know, on the one hand, I am not

1484
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: a fan of monopolies. On the other hand, the part

1485
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: of Twitter that has always been interesting is having that

1486
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: give and take an engagement across the ideological spectrum.

1487
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 4: Some of that may be breaking down at the yeah point.

1488
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 2: Look, business wise, smart decision. Politics is a disaster.

1489
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: You know. I was I think I told you about this.

1490
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: I was talking with some YouTube guys and they were

1491
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 2: asking us what our average revenue is, and I told them.

1492
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: They were like, what they're like for a channel your size,

1493
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: the amount of views that you drive. We are currently

1494
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: getting ad revenue probably like thirty to forty percent of

1495
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: what a channel are side as non political.

1496
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: Would be making.

1497
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: And guess what we know that we know the politics sucks.

1498
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: That's why I have a direct subscription product. But these

1499
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: are platforms that all drive on advertising. And so they

1500
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: made the I think correct move where they're like, we

1501
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: don't want to deal with this, So like, let Elon

1502
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: deal with it, because he already is trying to float

1503
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: all this advertising and having all these problems. Let him

1504
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: have deal with all the controversy over who to sensor

1505
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: and all that.

1506
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 3: We'll be sitting over.

1507
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 2: Here talking about make up, talking about makeup or basketball,

1508
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 2: you know, science and whatever other health.

1509
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 4: Some days it really seems like a good life.

1510
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeahs broak life, oh man, I phrased, you were like,

1511
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: you know, big in all these other.

1512
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 3: Industries and I'm like, I envy you, man, like you

1513
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 3: don't have to deal with it.

1514
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: The biggest controversy in health and fitness is whether to

1515
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: eat a carb or not, and like at the end,

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01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: and they can get nasty, but it's not even close

1517
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: to his nasty.

1518
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: I was going to say, actually think basis the health

1519
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: and fitness zone might be one of the more fraud.

1520
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: But I'm saying that's as fraud as it gets. And

1521
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: you know there's a life or death consequences here, whereas

1522
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: you know, ind Ukraine be a NATO like. You already

1523
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: know how many haters that we're going to be getting

1524
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: and we deal with that on a daily basis. I've

1525
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: talked with them previously. They're like, man, I can't believe

1526
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: how much crap you deal with.

1527
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: But listen, we like it. That's what we do, right,

1528
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: And so I just.

1529
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: Think that whenever you're trying to float this on advertising,

1530
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: it is always a smart decision to.

1531
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: Say I don't want to deal with the political side

1532
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: of it.

1533
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: That said, you will always get drawn in because you

1534
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: know science so well. Science has nothing to do with

1535
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: it except we had censor RFK Junior's Instagram account but

1536
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 2: then he's running for president.

1537
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 3: Now I guess we have to reinstate it.

1538
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: So you can't also delude yourself into thinking that you're

1539
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: not going to have to deal with it, because you

1540
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 2: one hundred percent are going to have to. Yeah, so

1541
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: that's my overall true quession.

1542
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 3: I like the product.

1543
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to continue to use it. I probably won't

1544
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: use it for politics, but I do really like the

1545
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: way the images load on it. Not a surprise since

1546
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: it's so built into it.

1547
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: Wait, I've just taken a big step back from all

1548
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: of social media and my brain feels better.

1549
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 4: So I don't really plan to change that. But we'll see.

1550
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: You know something, I always get pulled back in. It's

1551
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: one point or another. I've gone through these phases before far.

1552
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm on threads, but I'm just lurking. Maybe I'll engage.

1553
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 3: You're lurking.

1554
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 4: I'm lurking.

1555
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: I've currently got some jet lag tweets about cats, my

1556
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 2: own personal thing.

1557
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 4: So that's all I got going cat and dog. Twitter

1558
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 4: is like, actually that's the best.

1559
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 3: Exactly, and you know, why not have even more images?

1560
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: All Right, So this is the part of the show

1561
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: where normally I say, Sager, what are you looking at

1562
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: But I actually think, Sagar, you have something for us

1563
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: to take a look at today.

1564
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: Whatever could it mean? What are you talking about? Is

1565
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: it this get up that i'm is that?

1566
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 9: It?

1567
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 3: Is it these sneakers? As I said, I was a

1568
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: man of my word. I thought you'd have to go

1569
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: to the uptich.

1570
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 4: The top, the sneaker part of the from up top here?

1571
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 3: Can I see it from up here?

1572
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1573
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 3: Look at these pains me to wear Indian dress garb,

1574
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 3: but it looks very thank you.

1575
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is what I wore during my actual

1576
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: Indian wedding ceremony. For those who are wondering, there is

1577
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: a more formal Indian guard which I did also wear,

1578
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: but it was way too big to fit into a suitcase.

1579
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: It wouldn't have done. It's called a sure wan.

1580
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: And actually, so as you know, you know, I have

1581
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: to do all my research. So I'm like, all right,

1582
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: what is the origin of this dress? The shirwani? Okay,

1583
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: the shirwani itself comes from Persian court dress wear. It's

1584
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: filtered down via the Muggle Empire, which then became adopted

1585
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: by the Maharajas as their like bejeweled encrusted thing and

1586
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: so actually interesting enough, in India there is no one

1587
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: agreement on what formal dress wear is. There's the shrewani,

1588
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: there's something called Indo dress wear, and then there is

1589
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: the actual courtA that I am wearing right now. So

1590
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: this is what I as you can actually see, got

1591
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 2: turmeric and all.

1592
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 4: This stuff the leftover.

1593
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 2: From the actual ceremony. It was, well, this is actually

1594
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: so nowadays they do. Let's see if we can zoom in.

1595
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: Here, you see a little bit less.

1596
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 2: I thought it was only for women, but actually they

1597
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: said men do it now in India too, So I do.

1598
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 4: Know that the impartery on that is amazing.

1599
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 3: Oh this one is very nice. I think this one

1600
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 3: is uh, it's silk.

1601
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: So anyway, look, wow, I said I would do it

1602
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: if we had a million subscribers. I honestly didn't think

1603
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: it was going to happen, and so here I am

1604
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,480
Speaker 2: wearing it for my monologue.

1605
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: I always believed in our audience that they would come

1606
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: through and force you to do that.

1607
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: I should I should have the other way. I should

1608
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: have promised something that was more feasible. So now I

1609
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: think we're going to do my monologue and everybody's going

1610
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: to watch this and be like, what the hell, what

1611
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: are you going on?

1612
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 3: So I guess watched this part first.

1613
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 4: If you're interested, sager, what are you looking at?

1614
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: Well, of all the major events to miss, the one

1615
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 2: that I was most bummed about was affirmative action. Christal

1616
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: and Emily held a fantastic panel discussion on the subject

1617
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: that I recommend everybody go and listen to. And since

1618
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: that decision, a lot about our society has been revealed.

1619
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: So called fake civil rights groups said that we would

1620
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: be set back by the decision. Many past injustices were

1621
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: righted by the policy, the racial obsessed media parroted their claims,

1622
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: and the colleges themselves credited their past diversity statistics with

1623
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: the policy. But so much has now been written about

1624
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: the past, and what I want to do is focus

1625
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: on the future. What is higher education going to look

1626
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 2: like without affirmative action? Fortunately, if you've been watching our

1627
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: show for some time, you already know the answer. Higher

1628
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 2: education in the US and their racial obsessed bureaucrats are

1629
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: willing to nuke the standards for literally everyone and burn

1630
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 2: hundreds of years of academic credibility, all in the name

1631
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: of preserving so called racial diversity.

1632
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: The plan is simple.

1633
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 2: Any objective criteria that can be easily used to prove

1634
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 2: racial discrimination against Whites and Asians will be sacrificed. Any

1635
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: criteria which will allow for preference against these groups will

1636
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: be emphasized, made to be the most important. People called

1637
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: me a conspiracy theorist when I play laid this out,

1638
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: this plan long before the decision. Now that has happened,

1639
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,959
Speaker 2: it's out in the open. The New York Times immediately

1640
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: published the plan titled quote. With Supreme Court decision, college

1641
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 2: admissions could become more subjective. It was all laid out

1642
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: third paragraph in quote, officials at selective institutions predicted there

1643
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: will be less emphasis on standardized metrics like test scores,

1644
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: class ranked GPA, and more emphasis on personal qualities told

1645
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: through recommendations and the application essay. Now again, why would

1646
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: this be the case, Because the case against Harvard relied

1647
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: almost entirely on objective metrics like SAT scores and others,

1648
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: which could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. Asian

1649
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 2: students in particular, were straight up discriminated against inadmissions. If

1650
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: you remove test scores as important and you lean more

1651
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: on personal essay, where students of desired background can just

1652
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: write I am black or I am Hispanic, over and

1653
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: over and over again for five hundred words.

1654
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 3: It's easy.

1655
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 2: Once again, I am not simply positing this already, the

1656
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 2: admissions department write in her locally University of Maryland saying, quote,

1657
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 2: right now students write about their soccer practice, they write

1658
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 2: about their grandmother dying. But then she says, they need

1659
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 2: to shift to talk quote about how race affected their lives.

1660
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 2: One neat trick that the admissions departments are already going

1661
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 2: for is simple. Make the college prompt about how diversity, equity,

1662
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 2: and inclusion is important to the applicant. The incoming president

1663
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: of Mount Holyoke University, for example, she imagines a future

1664
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 2: question will look like this. One of the core values

1665
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: of Mount Holyo College is diversity of all kinds. Please

1666
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: tell us why you value it, What will make you

1667
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: think to bring to the Hamunt Holyo community in terms

1668
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: of diversity, your belief in the creative diversity is all

1669
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 2: that will matter in the future. Whether you are good

1670
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,839
Speaker 2: at math or science or English and can actually excel

1671
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 2: academically will cease to matter at all. So for the future,

1672
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 2: what do we do? Why should we even care. Let's

1673
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: start with the latter part of that question. About a

1674
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: decade ago, there was actually a big debate about the

1675
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,480
Speaker 2: great awokening on college campuses, obsessions by students and professors,

1676
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: especially at elite institutions, with race and gender.

1677
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: The debate was, does this matter at all?

1678
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: Who cares if Yale or Harvard or any of these

1679
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: school kids are acting nuts?

1680
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: How does it impact any of us?

1681
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 2: The problem is, well, they grew up, and when they did,

1682
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: they populated the elite institutions across the country. Those kids

1683
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 2: who led race and gender cultural revolutions in college a

1684
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: decade ago, now they write for the New York Times,

1685
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 2: or they work in Netflix, or their junior staffers at

1686
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: the Biden Whitehouse, or the marketing department.

1687
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 3: At bud Light or Target.

1688
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: They are the enforcers of the ideological regime, and they

1689
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: will remain in power for decades. As you can already

1690
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: see now from the freak out over affirmative action, they

1691
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: will not go quietly into the good night.

1692
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 3: It will be a total war.

1693
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: For control of institutions and for the future. And the

1694
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: war really will be a fight between masses and elites.

1695
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: The polling on affirmative action shows that the vast majority

1696
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 2: of people are against it. Fifty percent of people outright disapproved,

1697
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: only thirty percent approved, most people are the rest are unsure.

1698
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: And I actually think that's very underweighted, because even in California,

1699
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: the most liberal state in the whole country, when affirmative

1700
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 2: action was put up for an actual vote, it was

1701
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: rejected at a full fifty seven percent of the vote,

1702
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: and that happened in the exact same election where Biden

1703
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: beat Trump by twenty nine points. The people, and especially

1704
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: working class people, are very against affirmative action. For the elites,

1705
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 2: though it is their religion, at least with the government

1706
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: that we have. Some democratics say, though, but on the

1707
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: problem for those on the side of the masses is

1708
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: that many of the institutions that we're talking about, they

1709
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: are not small d democratic. Harvard obviously has to comply

1710
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: with the law, which still takes decades to wrangle with,

1711
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: but they don't get voted for. Even public universities somewhat

1712
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: more accountable, don't face any close to the same level

1713
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: of pressure as actual government. And then what about private institutions,

1714
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: which are both elite by definition but still important for

1715
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 2: the masses. Take this for example I've given before, like

1716
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: the American Bar Association. It controls the entire legal profession.

1717
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: It's literally private, though you cannot vote for it. It's

1718
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: not accountable to any representative that we can vote for.

1719
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: Yet it controls the entire professional law. So when the

1720
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: Bar Association decides to nuke the LSAT as part of

1721
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: admission to law school to make the illegal profession more equitable.

1722
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 3: What are we supposed to do? What do we do

1723
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 3: when you need a lawyer medical school?

1724
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: I've talked about that before, reducing MSS on MCAT scores

1725
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 2: GPAs in favor of racial admissions and essays we have

1726
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: no say. But when we get sick and you need

1727
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 2: a doctor, what do you do? Those are two small

1728
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,440
Speaker 2: ex samples, But there are a myriad of elite institutions

1729
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: which govern all of our lives like this, which are

1730
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,799
Speaker 2: equally racially obsessed and will be fundamentally altered in the future.

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Speaker 2: And what does that future look like? I mean, I

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: don't really have good news on that front. We will

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Speaker 2: have at a minimum a generation and more likely probably

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Speaker 2: nearly a century of total chaos. Because if you think

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Speaker 2: that dying institutions just fade and go away easily and

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: lose their power even when they suck.

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Speaker 3: You're wrong.

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Speaker 2: Take a look at cable news for example, or for

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01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: a longer timeline, look at the Ottoman Empire. You can

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01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: be useless, corrupt, lacking any legitimacy that you once had

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 2: as long as your system, though, works well enough. For

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Speaker 2: those in power, it can hang on for a long

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01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: long time, and they will fight even harder to maintain

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Speaker 2: their grip on power. Now, for those of you who

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: want to work meritorious and equal America, though, don't entirely

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01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 2: despair because of the demise of affirmative action has heightened

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01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: the contradictions it has made explicit which was once implicit

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Speaker 2: for all of us to see in a relatively free

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Speaker 2: society that is actually powerful now for an Now you

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01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 2: can still see the agenda, and you can choose for

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Speaker 2: yourself do you want to participate in it or not,

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01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: and whether or not you choose to fight. I actually

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Speaker 2: think it's important to choose to fight, and you can

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Speaker 2: see this clearly, and I hope that all of you

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Speaker 2: do too, So Christal, my ridiculous garb beside.

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Speaker 1: I know that you, guys, and if you want to

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Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sager's monologue become a premium subscriber

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: today at breakingpoints dot Com. In a disappointing but not

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Speaker 1: a surprise, the supposed vanguard of the national elected left,

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Speaker 1: Alexandria Casio Cartez, joined the podsave Bros.

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Speaker 4: In order to throw her backing behind Joe Biden.

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Speaker 11: So president's only primary opponents are Mary and Williamson Robert F.

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Speaker 11: Kennedy Junior. Haven't been any rumors about anyone else even

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Speaker 11: thinking about jumping in. Will you be supporting Joe Biden

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Speaker 11: for reelection?

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Speaker 12: I believe given that feel yes, I think he's done

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Speaker 12: quite well, given the limitations that we have. I do

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Speaker 12: think that there are ads of blows, as there are

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Speaker 12: in any presence, any presidency. You know, there are areas

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Speaker 12: that I think were quite strong when he came right

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Speaker 12: out of the gate with the American Rescue Plan, and

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Speaker 12: of course the Inflation Reduction Act was a massive step

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Speaker 12: in terms of our climate agenda. But you know, there

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Speaker 12: are also areas that I think could have gone better.

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Speaker 12: We have major structural issues in this country, and start

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Speaker 12: I think it starts with the United States Senate, and

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Speaker 12: I think that until we have senators that are willing

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Speaker 12: to stand up and stare in the filibuster in the

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Speaker 12: eye and stare a lot of structural issues about the

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Speaker 12: Senate in the United States, Senate will be what holds

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Speaker 12: back this country from an enormous amount of progress.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot to unpack in that short clip. First,

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Speaker 1: AOC says, given that field of Marion Williamson and Bobby Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: she will back Biden. Apparently AOC has bought into DC's

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Speaker 1: relentless spin that only candidates officially certified as quote unquote

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Speaker 1: serious by the powers that be are worthy of any consideration. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to point out to you the irony

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Speaker 1: of this stance, given that AOC was once a bartender

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Speaker 1: and organizer thoroughly outside the circle of officially sanctioned candidates

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Speaker 1: who ousted a powerful long time incumbent to the shock

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Speaker 1: and horror of the official buttway crowd. How quickly she

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Speaker 1: has gone from renegade outsider protesting in the Speaker's office

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Speaker 1: to cowed insider. Not long ago, she said in different

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Speaker 1: countries she and Joe Biden would not be even be

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Speaker 1: in the same party. On the other hand, she and

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Speaker 1: Maryann are probably theoretically align on like ninety percent of issues,

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Speaker 1: but elite acceptability now Trump's issues for AOC and the

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Speaker 1: rest of the elected left. Second, she says, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: has done quote quite well, and then offers up the

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Speaker 1: also officially sanctioned villain of the moment, the Senate and

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Speaker 1: the filibuster to justify the many failings of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: Apparently quite well in AOC's estimation, includes accepting a loathsome

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Speaker 1: debt deal, siding with capital over workers in a rail strike,

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Speaker 1: abandoning efforts to lift the minimum wage, strengthen union's widen

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Speaker 1: healthcare access, and a long list of other campaign promises.

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Speaker 1: She also accepts at face value the notion that Biden

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Speaker 1: simply must accept the intransigence of senators like Cinema and

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01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: Mansion and doesn't have tools of pressure and rewards that

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Speaker 1: he could use at least to try to compel compliance.

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Speaker 1: But really, to look at the personal failings of AOC,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of too easy.

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Speaker 4: It's too obvious.

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Speaker 1: At this point, the writing of her fall from renegade

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01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: to player in the game has been on the wall

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Speaker 1: for quite some time now, and the truth of the

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Speaker 1: matter is she's really non special. The whole of the

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Speaker 1: elected left has more or less fully fallen in line,

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Speaker 1: scarcely raising a word of dissent, not even demanding on

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Speaker 1: principle that Biden subjected himself to debates. But it's not

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Speaker 1: just the elected left. The whole project of leftism focused

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Speaker 1: on a national level seems to have receded.

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Speaker 4: Post Bernie. The left, which had organized.

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Speaker 1: Found community and created its own media in online spaces,

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Speaker 1: really fractured. There's no clear big goal to keep everyone aligned.

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Speaker 1: People were depressed, they were angry by the way the

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Speaker 1: Bernie campaign ended. I understandably so. And once Bernie's campaign

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Speaker 1: was over, the movement he started no longer. HA had

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Speaker 1: a real world incarnation and a pandemic locked all of

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Speaker 1: us inside in front of our screens. That made what

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Speaker 1: was left of that movement way too online, and that's

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Speaker 1: extremely vulnerable to the shaping of the amorphous algorithms crafted

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Speaker 1: by our tech oligarchs. Those algorithms, of course, reward drama,

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Speaker 1: they reward conflict.

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Speaker 4: They reward call outs and destruction.

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Speaker 1: So no one should be surprised that that is exactly

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Speaker 1: what came to dominate the space. Now, you might hope

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Speaker 1: that people with principles would resist the dopamine fuel of

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Speaker 1: clicks and fay out rage. But we are talking about

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01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: fallible human beings here. From what I can tell, the

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Speaker 1: whole era is pretty reminiscent of the retrenchment of the

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Speaker 1: left in the nineteen seventies, only this time supercharged.

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Speaker 4: With big tech poison.

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Speaker 1: Founder of Jacobin magazine Boscarson car recently made this observation

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, which speaks to the national left recession. Quote,

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all has been seemingly erased as a core

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Speaker 1: immediate demand of the socialist left. Obviously it's not viable

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01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: as legislation today, but it's barely brought up as a

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Speaker 1: cause really night and day to three to four years

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Speaker 1: ago when it was at the core of Bernie's campaign.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to a pine that not only has

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Speaker 1: medicare for all gone largely dormant as a core demand,

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01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: but there really is no core demand. Quote, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure there is a unifying national demand that compares to

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Speaker 1: what it was. Lots of local activism around climate and

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Speaker 1: tenets rights and electoral activity, plus energy around labor solidarity,

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Speaker 1: and you want that second part is actually really important because.

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Speaker 4: It's an anecdote to.

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Speaker 1: The depression the lefties may naturally feel upon watching a

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Speaker 1: clip of AOC with the Podsave Bros Going all in

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Speaker 1: for Joe fricking Biden. Because actually, the desire for change

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Speaker 1: and support for ideas like universal health care, housing, and unions, it's.

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Speaker 4: Higher than ever.

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Speaker 1: Its expression has just shifted in a way that may

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Speaker 1: ultimately be more.

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Speaker 4: Durable and more powerful.

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Speaker 1: Bernie bet that his political revolution would bring new voters

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Speaker 1: out in droves, mobilizing electorate that typically stays home. And

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Speaker 1: while yes, he was screwed and twenty sixteen especially was rigged,

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Speaker 1: it is also true that theory just didn't really pan out.

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Speaker 1: And I think the reason it didn't pan out was

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Speaker 1: at least in part because of lack of local organizations

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Speaker 1: and in particular a robust labor movement that stitches communities

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Speaker 1: organized around common political interest together out of atomized individuals.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly the area where there are actually some

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Speaker 1: hopeful things happening today in cities across the country. You

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01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,839
Speaker 1: do have tenets rights movements springing up to protect renters,

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Speaker 1: and social housing has made a surprising legislative comeback. Unions

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Speaker 1: are seeing record levels of public support as grassroots organizing

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Speaker 1: pushes forward, and large established unions are also being remade

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Speaker 1: with more militant and more responsive leadership.

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Speaker 4: Even some regular.

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Speaker 1: Old Democratic governors are actually doing some impressively base things.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin's Tony Evers just increase public school funding indefinitely for

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Speaker 1: four hundred years. Minnesota Democrats of grod control of the

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Speaker 1: governor's mansion and the state legislature, and they are using

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Speaker 1: it to do everything from making all school lunches free,

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Speaker 1: hiking taxes on corporations, and aggressively bolstering union rights. If

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Speaker 1: New York Congressional Representative AOC isn't going to fight for

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all, you could look to New York State

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Speaker 1: Senator Jabari Brisport, who's doing the work to bring universal

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Speaker 1: healthcare to his own state as a model for the nation.

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Speaker 1: There's a hell of a lot more interesting things going

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Speaker 1: on than what AOC has to say about Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: to some Obama bros. And uh Sager not surprising, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just pathetic.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a Premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of people doing real things in the real world.

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Speaker 1: A longtime great friend of the show, Will Juwando is

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Speaker 1: actually running for Senate in Maryland and he's going to

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Speaker 1: join us.

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Speaker 4: In studio to tell us what he's up to.

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Speaker 1: Excited to be joined now by a great, longtime front

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Speaker 1: of the show at large city council member in Montgomery County,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Will Juando.

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Speaker 8: Great to see you, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having good diseaser.

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Speaker 4: I's so full disclosure. You are a friend of the show,

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Speaker 4: personal friend and all.

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Speaker 1: That good stuff, but we still got some tough political

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Speaker 1: questions for you, of course. So you've announced you're running

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Speaker 1: for Senate. Congratulations versus foremost thank you, And we did

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Speaker 1: just get some news in this race.

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Speaker 4: This was pretty big. Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So on Jamie Roskin, who was seen, as you know,

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Speaker 1: a pretty strong contender if he jumped into this Senate primary,

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Speaker 1: he has said he is not going to run for

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Speaker 1: this open Senate seat. So we'll just talk us through

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Speaker 1: your campaign. How are things going, who are your opponents?

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Speaker 1: What's your plan to win?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 13: Well, first to Congressman rasking my congressman, good friend He's

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Speaker 13: an important role in the House, and we've been talking

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Speaker 13: about this. We need to take back the House so

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Speaker 13: we can share oversight and push back against a lot

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Speaker 13: of the misinformation and craziness that's going on. I'm excited

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Speaker 13: to run for the Senate because people need a champion.

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Speaker 13: They need a progressive champion in the Senate. When I

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Speaker 13: go around Maryland and around the country, people are struggling,

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Speaker 13: and my core message is you don't have to choose

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Speaker 13: between you doing well and your neighbor doing well. I

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Speaker 13: think that's what I really call the big lie. You know,

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Speaker 13: not that Trump didn't win the election, or that he

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Speaker 13: won the election, that obviously is alive, but this kind

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Speaker 13: of I think prevalent idea that it's zero sum, like

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Speaker 13: if you help the immigrant, you can't help us, someone

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Speaker 13: who's been here for two hundred years. So I think

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Speaker 13: that is a real core part of our message at

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Speaker 13: a time when people are really struggling, right, you know, education, costs, housing,

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Speaker 13: they're concerned about safety, go down the list, the environment,

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Speaker 13: and I think we're going to need bold progressive solutions,

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Speaker 13: especially in the Senate, to get it done.

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Speaker 8: And that's what I've done.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think it's an interesting question.

1945
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Speaker 2: So Maryland's obviously democratic state, Larry Hogan, I guess, notwithstanding

1946
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Speaker 2: you're going to face a crowded primary, what is your plan?

1947
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Speaker 2: What distinguishes you from you know, not even current opponents,

1948
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Speaker 2: potential opponents like why do you think that you are

1949
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Speaker 2: willing to take up this mantle for this long standing

1950
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Speaker 2: state and it's specifically a vanguard of the Democrats in

1951
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Speaker 2: the United States Senate?

1952
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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

1953
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Speaker 13: Well, Look, I'm homegrown look born and raised in Maryland.

1954
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Speaker 13: I saw firsthand the good, the bad, the ugly, dealt

1955
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Speaker 13: with disparities, growing up lost, a friend of gun violence,

1956
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Speaker 13: got scholarships to college and law school. Now, serving in

1957
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Speaker 13: my second term in our largest county one point one

1958
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Speaker 13: million of the six and then the state, I already

1959
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Speaker 13: represent our diverse, most and largest county with for of

1960
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Speaker 13: the most diverse cities in the country in it. I've

1961
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 13: also worked in the Senate eight years. I worked for

1962
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Speaker 13: Shared Brown, I worked for Barack Obama. I was counsel

1963
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Speaker 13: on the Help Committee. I worked for Nancy Pelosi. Of

1964
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Speaker 13: course in the White House with President Obama. So I

1965
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Speaker 13: bring it. I think a really needed mix of both

1966
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Speaker 13: federal experience but also a local experience. And you know,

1967
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Speaker 13: I'm forty years old. Yeah, I'm a millennial. I'm a

1968
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Speaker 13: geriatric millennium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, John Ossif and I would be the

1971
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Speaker 13: only two at a time when we're twenty almost twenty

1972
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Speaker 13: three percent of the population, the average age of the

1973
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Speaker 13: Senate of seventy six. We're dealing with aging parents, young kids,

1974
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Speaker 13: student loan debt, go to go down the list. I

1975
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Speaker 13: think you need some people that actually are dealing with

1976
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Speaker 13: as we confront AI and technology changes, it'd be nice

1977
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Speaker 13: to have someone in there who knows what is dealing

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Speaker 13: with those in real time.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point.

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Speaker 1: So on the one hand, it's you know, it's a

1981
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Speaker 1: benefit that you've worked in DC, that you know some

1982
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Speaker 1: of these players, you know how the game works. There's

1983
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Speaker 1: also a potential challenge there being able to criticize, you know,

1984
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Speaker 1: that leadership when it is needed. So tell me a

1985
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: little bit about your view of the Biden administration. What

1986
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Speaker 1: do you see as sort of the high water marks

1987
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Speaker 1: of achievement and what do you see as potentially you know,

1988
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: failures or things that they've missed, steps that they've done.

1989
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Speaker 13: Look, you know, I kind of remember one when I

1990
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 13: used to come on years ago when President Biden was running,

1991
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 13: I was even though when I took the you know,

1992
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Speaker 13: the test of all all the issues, I lined up

1993
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Speaker 13: with the progressive candidates. I always said I would support Biden,

1994
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Speaker 13: and I think he's done a good job. Has he

1995
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 13: been perfect? Absolutely not. But America isn't perfect, right, you know,

1996
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Speaker 13: that's our story. We get some things right, we get

1997
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 13: some things wrong. We go forward, we go backwards. I

1998
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Speaker 13: think the Chips Act, the Inflation Reduction Act on the environment,

1999
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Speaker 13: the stimulus as a local elected official, the almost three

2000
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Speaker 13: hundredllion dollars we got to put out, and to help

2001
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Speaker 13: with rental assistance, we launched a guaranteed income program in

2002
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 13: our state that I led. That's helping three hundred families

2003
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 13: with eight hundred dollars a month right now. We stabilized

2004
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 13: rents during the pandemic. We gave money to after school programs, etc.

2005
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 13: That money we set up vaccine and food distribution. That so,

2006
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Speaker 13: I think he put us on a good path. Do

2007
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Speaker 13: I agree with everything, Absolutely not, But I think he

2008
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 13: has started us in a good direction, and the other

2009
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 13: options on the other side are going to take us

2010
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Speaker 13: way back.

2011
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Speaker 2: So there's two theories of the case and Democratic party.

2012
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Speaker 2: There's one that people from democratic states and who are

2013
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: like within the coalition should be able to push the president.

2014
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Speaker 2: The other is that they should go along with the president.

2015
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Speaker 2: Where would you fall into that, you know, drive down

2016
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Speaker 2: more into the specifics where you disagree with sure?

2017
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Speaker 13: Sure, So I think that the answers both like you know,

2018
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 13: like it's like when LBJ told, you know, Martin Luther King,

2019
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Speaker 13: go make me do it. You have to be a

2020
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Speaker 13: friend and push I mean all my best friends push me.

2021
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 13: I don't want anyone in my group that's not gonna

2022
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 13: tell me to be better. But you can also be

2023
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Speaker 13: supportive and how and be constructive and how you do it?

2024
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Speaker 13: For example, I think, you know, we should be supporting Ukraine, right,

2025
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Speaker 13: and it's the devastation and loss. My father came to

2026
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Speaker 13: this country from Nigeria fleeing a war torn country, the

2027
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 13: by Affin civil War, the first one of two televised

2028
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 13: wars in the Vietnam War in that, so I know

2029
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Speaker 13: what it is to deal with that. But I don't

2030
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Speaker 13: think we should be using cluster bombs, for example, And

2031
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Speaker 13: I think I don't think that's a safe policy for

2032
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Speaker 13: you know, civilians and the like. So that's an example

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Speaker 13: where I support the general policy of we should provide

2034
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Speaker 13: Ukraine with support. Russia is a bad actor, but how

2035
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Speaker 13: we do it matters, and I think that's an example.

2036
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Speaker 13: You know, I think on criminal justice reform, right, you know,

2037
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Speaker 13: I was really heartened to hear the President talk in

2038
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Speaker 13: the State of the Union for almost five minutes about

2039
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 13: the talk and the need to pass the George Floyd

2040
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Speaker 13: Justice and Policing Act, but also he talked about how

2041
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 13: we have to support law enforcement and what does that

2042
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Speaker 13: support mean. I've done a lot of work on those

2043
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Speaker 13: issues I want. I think that's an engagement. I think

2044
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Speaker 13: we've got to get them away from dealing with mental

2045
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Speaker 13: health and homelessness, focus police on violent crime, pay them more,

2046
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Speaker 13: have higher accountability. So I think there's examples of how

2047
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 13: you can support the President but also push him on

2048
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Speaker 13: certain things.

2049
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Speaker 1: Interesting something else that we talked about in the show

2050
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Speaker 1: today was the President has actually said, all right, Ukraine,

2051
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Speaker 1: you were not going to be in NATO while this

2052
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Speaker 1: war is going on, but he is held open the

2053
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Speaker 1: possibility of Ukraine ultimately entering NATO. Russia has said that

2054
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Speaker 1: was one of the provocations that led to their certainly illegal,

2055
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Speaker 1: unjustified invasion of Ukraine. You know, in the Senate, you'd

2056
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Speaker 1: be on the front lines a foreign policy. This would

2057
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Speaker 1: be something that you would potentially have to vote on.

2058
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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on potential NATO membership for Ukraine.

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Speaker 13: Well, first, let's get Sweden in. You know, obviously they're

2060
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Speaker 13: going to they're dealing with some drama on that this

2061
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 13: week with Turkey and Hungary kind of objecting to that. Obviously,

2062
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Speaker 13: you got Finland in. I think that was a good addition.

2063
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Speaker 13: I am for a pathway for Ukraine into NATO. I

2064
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Speaker 13: don't think today is the day, but I think in

2065
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 13: generals expanding NATO, the idea of like democratic pro democracy

2066
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Speaker 13: states for the most part coming together to say we're

2067
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Speaker 13: going to protect each other is a good thing.

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Speaker 8: They're not.

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Speaker 13: I don't think they're in a state right now where

2070
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Speaker 13: they're ready for it. But I do think a pathway,

2071
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Speaker 13: which I think is consistent what the President.

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Speaker 1: Has said, so that just to be clear, that means

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Speaker 1: we would have you know, they would have Article five protection.

2074
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Speaker 1: That means if there was another dispute, another war with Russia,

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Speaker 1: we'd be obligating our sons and daughters to go and

2076
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Speaker 1: fight in that war.

2077
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Speaker 4: Is that something that you're comfortable with?

2078
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Speaker 8: Well, as I said, I mean pathway that's not today.

2079
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Speaker 13: I think we have to. I am in support of

2080
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Speaker 13: supporting them now as we are. I think Russia is

2081
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Speaker 13: a bad actor. They are trying to, as they have

2082
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Speaker 13: in other places, destabilize the region. They're trying to harm people,

2083
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Speaker 13: They're using misinformation in our elections. Go down the list

2084
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 13: of things that they're doing. I think we need to

2085
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 13: stand up against that. I think that's a democratic American

2086
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 13: principle that it harms other parts of the world and

2087
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Speaker 13: us if we don't.

2088
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Speaker 8: I take very seriously, and would take very seriously.

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Speaker 13: In the Senate sending our young men and women overseas

2090
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Speaker 13: to fight for other countries. But that is the agreement

2091
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 13: of NATO, so if they are a member, we would

2092
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 13: have to do that if attacked. But I think that's

2093
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 13: why we need to really discuss what is there as

2094
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 13: this war goes on. Hopefully it comes to a conclusion.

2095
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Speaker 13: How are they going to proceed, what steps are they

2096
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Speaker 13: going to take, what is the stability in the region.

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Speaker 13: Those are all factors into whether when and how they

2098
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Speaker 13: would come into NATO.

2099
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Speaker 2: You just talked about cluster communitions. We're talking a little

2100
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Speaker 2: bit more about Ukraine. What is your view on more

2101
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 2: aid to Ukraine? So if you were voted into the

2102
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Speaker 2: United States Senate, would you vote for more military aid

2103
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Speaker 2: to Ukraine?

2104
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 3: Or do you desire a diplomatic solution?

2105
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 8: Again?

2106
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 13: I think I desire both. I mean, I think there

2107
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 13: is you know, again, make me do it. The aid

2108
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 13: in a lot of ways humanitarian is helping put them

2109
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Speaker 13: in position for hopefully eventually a diplomatic solution. We cannot

2110
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 13: have endless war, but you have to. But you best

2111
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 13: negotiate from a position of strength. And I think people

2112
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 13: rightly question how are we spending money, What are we

2113
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 13: spending on what type of ways? A recent thing I said,

2114
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Speaker 13: I'm not for the clustering munitions because of the civilian

2115
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Speaker 13: loss and just the long term effect of those those

2116
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 13: kinds of weapons that just sit for years, and we've

2117
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 13: seen that in Vietnam and other places. But I do

2118
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Speaker 13: think it's important to support them because they are at

2119
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Speaker 13: a key moment in time against a power that is

2120
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Speaker 13: in Russia, that is trying to take us backwards and

2121
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Speaker 13: trying to be against democratic principles.

2122
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 3: When is enough?

2123
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 2: So if they fail in this counter offensive, you get

2124
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Speaker 2: fifty billion more. And if you fail, how many times

2125
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 2: have it failed for that's to say it's time to

2126
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 2: end's time to come to the table.

2127
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Speaker 13: Unfortunately that there's no I can't tell you today what

2128
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 13: that moment is. I think we have to evaluate the

2129
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 13: circumstances that moment could come where, you know, like we

2130
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 13: did in Afghanistan other places, way too late, that this

2131
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 13: isn't working. We've got to do something different. I don't

2132
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 13: think we're there today, but I do think that the

2133
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Speaker 13: best negotiations in our history have come when they've come

2134
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Speaker 13: from a position of strength where people are saying it's

2135
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 13: in our mutual interests to have a negotiation. I think

2136
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 13: our aid is helping that to happen. But it cannot

2137
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 13: be an endless war. I also will say, back to

2138
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Speaker 13: my core message with my campaign, we can do that

2139
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 13: and we can invest here at home.

2140
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Speaker 8: It's not an either or right. There's other things we

2141
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 8: can do.

2142
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 13: It's not we take our eye off the ball here

2143
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 13: for Americans that need help here. It's that this is

2144
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 13: connected to global democratic principles and freedom, and we need

2145
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 13: to do that too well.

2146
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: One thing we've always appreciated about speaking with you is

2147
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: a lot of domestic policy issues are not theoretical to you.

2148
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Speaker 1: As a Montgomery County at Large council member, you are

2149
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 1: dealing with some of the trickiest issues from crime to

2150
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: housing and education there on the front lines. One thing

2151
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Speaker 1: that we've covered a lot here that I wanted to

2152
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on is the challenge of affordable housing.

2153
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 1: And this came across my radar. Will go ahead and

2154
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. I saw Governor Moore

2155
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 1: just announced millions of dollars six point three millions of

2156
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,919
Speaker 1: dollars to support construction of more than two hundred affordable

2157
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: housing units in the county that you represent. Can you

2158
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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what you think might

2159
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Speaker 1: make sense at a federal level to scale in terms

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Speaker 1: of affordable housing based on what you've seen in your county.

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Speaker 8: This is a massive problem. Number one thing I hear about.

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Speaker 13: Number one or two thing I hear about, you know,

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Speaker 13: the cost of housing, healthcare, taking away freedoms like bodily autonomy,

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Speaker 13: the right to marry who you want, etc. But housing

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Speaker 13: is always up there. In Montgomery County. We have one

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Speaker 13: point one million residents. Forty percent of them rent, So

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Speaker 13: that's over four hundred thousand people that are renting.

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Speaker 8: Those are their homes. As you know, I've been.

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Speaker 13: A big proponent of rent stabilization as part of the mix.

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Speaker 13: We passed it temporarily through bills that I offered during

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Speaker 13: the pandemic. Now we have a permanent bill that passed

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Speaker 13: out a committee two weeks ago. We're going to vote

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Speaker 13: on it next week. That would cap rents at six

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Speaker 13: percent three percent plus inflation. Capped at six it would

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Speaker 13: be the lowest for the largest jurisdiction of our size

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Speaker 13: in the country. I think that's part of the mix.

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Speaker 13: We need a massive federal investment in affordable housing to

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Speaker 13: get these voucher eading lists down. Look, my dad lived

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Speaker 13: in affordable housing with a HUD vouchure. We have a

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Speaker 13: thirty seven thousand person waiting list in Montgomery County. Wow,

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Speaker 13: on this list waiting for a vouchure. It's because there's

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Speaker 13: been a dramatic under investment we need to incentive. So

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Speaker 13: we have to double or triple the amount of those vouchures.

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Speaker 13: We need to incentivize, have more tax credit deals like

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Speaker 13: I'm for, I want developers and housing providers to make

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Speaker 13: a profit. I just want them to make a reasonable

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Speaker 13: profit and build good public use housing that's mixed income.

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Speaker 13: And so we need to get more tax credit deals

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Speaker 13: on the table. We need to incentivize states. The federal

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Speaker 13: government has a good power of like saying here's some

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Speaker 13: money if you do X to do stabilization, because you

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Speaker 13: can't have rampant you know, raise If you have four

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Speaker 13: hundred thousand people renting in any year, their mortgage can

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Speaker 13: go up one hundred two, three hundred four dollars.

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Speaker 8: That's just not sustainable.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, And we need a renter's tax credit, just like

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Speaker 13: we have a homeowner's textor there's some of these ideas

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Speaker 13: that are floating around, but I think it starts with

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Speaker 13: a serious commitment. And then on homeless you know, one

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Speaker 13: of the things I'm so proud of Montgomery County. We

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Speaker 13: eliminated veterans homelessness. We're on our way to eliminate it

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Speaker 13: for children and families. That core requires a housing first strategy,

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Speaker 13: no matter why you're homeless or experiencing homelessness, that we

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Speaker 13: put you in housing first and then figure out all

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Speaker 13: the other things.

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Speaker 8: I think that's something we need to do across the

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Speaker 8: country too.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a specific one on housing. Something

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Speaker 1: else that we've been tracking here is permanent capital coming

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Speaker 1: in buying up a lot of single family housing. Of

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Speaker 1: course they you know, especially right now with mortgage rates

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Speaker 1: being so high, they can come in with all cash

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Speaker 1: and it really makes it difficult for first time home buyers.

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Speaker 1: Is that something you would take a look at. Is

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Speaker 1: that something you would ban or some people have floated

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Speaker 1: the idea of you have to have you have to

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Speaker 1: give first preference to the individual before you allow permanent

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Speaker 1: capital to come in.

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Speaker 8: We do it all the time at the local level.

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Speaker 13: Is called a rite of first refusal or rowfer, and

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Speaker 13: I think that idea is a good one. If you

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Speaker 13: look in some of these housing markets and metropolitan areas

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Speaker 13: ours included, there is so little available because of people

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Speaker 13: that have bought things up, either as investments to flip

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Speaker 13: or these corporate entities, private equity entities coming in. So

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Speaker 13: we need to one know what the universe is. We

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Speaker 13: have to have transparency and sunlight on it too. I

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Speaker 13: think we do need to look at opportunities and that

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Speaker 13: would loop in like first time home buyer credits down

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Speaker 13: payment assistant programs. Some of those things have phased out

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Speaker 13: over time at the federal and local level. I think

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Speaker 13: that we do need to make sure home ownership.

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Speaker 8: Is on the rise.

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Speaker 13: You know, we saw with appraisals, these studies that's come

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Speaker 13: out with appraisals. You know, for example, there's still a

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Speaker 13: lot of inequity and fair housing where appraisals for African

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Speaker 13: American families and redline communities for the same house or

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Speaker 13: forty fifty thousand dollars less. So that's something we need

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Speaker 13: to do as well. But yes, I do think looking

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Speaker 13: at these corporate entities is a part of the solution

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Speaker 13: for sure.

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Speaker 4: Gotcha, Can I do a little couple of lightning round

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Speaker 4: progressive priorities with you? Sure?

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Speaker 8: I'll be quick.

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Speaker 4: Not a care for all? Yes or no?

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Speaker 8: We need to be on a path towards it.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean post sponsored the bill if you're

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Speaker 2: re elected to the Senate.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that's where we need to head. The

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Speaker 13: price of cost of healthcare is insane. I talk to

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Speaker 13: doctors all the time like they're getting out of the

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Speaker 13: OBGYN who delivered three of our four children is dropping

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Speaker 13: the ob because of liability and because of the reimbursement rate.

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Speaker 13: It's insane these and that's a black woman. Maternal health

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Speaker 13: for black women is a huge priority the down cascading.

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Speaker 8: It's crazy.

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Speaker 13: I talk to an orthopedist who's having to fight with

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Speaker 13: insurance companies every day to get the same amount that

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Speaker 13: he got last year for the same surgery.

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Speaker 8: It's the for profit system is broken.

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Speaker 13: So you need either dramatic regulation or a public option

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Speaker 13: to make them honest. But ultimately, I do think a

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Speaker 13: system where we cover everybody. It showed it the work

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Speaker 13: when we expanded Medicaid.

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Speaker 8: It works. You know, you need to get people covered.

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Speaker 4: Free college, community college.

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Speaker 13: We've done that in Maryland. I think that's the way

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Speaker 13: we start. It's five thousand dollars. It's effective. The smartest

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Speaker 13: students cheerity the Education Committee are these young people. All

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Speaker 13: of our students are smart, but these these young people

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Speaker 13: who do dual enrollment, they graduate. I just did a

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Speaker 13: couple of their graduations from high school with their associates

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Speaker 13: and with their high school degree. But even for those

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Speaker 13: who don't do that, you get a great bang for

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Speaker 13: your buck. Again, it's less than five thousand.

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Speaker 8: Dollars a year.

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Speaker 13: We can afford to get people a good start. Not

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Speaker 13: everyone needs a for your liberal arts, especially with what's

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Speaker 13: going on with our economy and the job changing job market.

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Speaker 13: But some sort of post secondary training up to two

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Speaker 13: years should be free. Various entities could be community college,

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Speaker 13: could be career in tech, could be other things.

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Speaker 8: We should absolutely do that.

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Speaker 4: A Green New Deal, well.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. It means a lot of things.

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Speaker 13: A lot of Yeah, and so I would say I'm

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Speaker 13: for a lot of the things in the Green New Deal.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't want to just.

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Speaker 1: Right now say fair enough and last one, last one

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Speaker 1: on this. Should President Joe Biden, who does have primary challengers,

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Speaker 1: should he debate?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I mean I think at some point you're gonna have

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Speaker 13: to get to a point of viability. You know, we

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Speaker 13: get a little further down the line, but it's like.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean, they're pulling higher than a lot

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Speaker 4: of the Republicans.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, which is my point, But that could change. I

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Speaker 13: think one debate might change that. Okay, But yeah, I

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Speaker 13: don't I don't think I support President Biden, but I

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Speaker 13: think democracy is about debate. If we can't have a

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Speaker 13: free exchange of ideas, if we're mad at people burning

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Speaker 13: books and descantists and all that, we shouldn't be scared

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Speaker 13: to have him stand up there and talk to people.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's entirely fair. Tell people where they can find.

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Speaker 8: You, well, will Jorwando dot com.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: Great,