Speaker 1: M Well, first of all, I like to welcome you
Speaker 1: Shall to the Player series. It's so nice to have
Speaker 1: you a child, I've known you since you were we
Speaker 1: lad and always amile. The way you play, and the
Speaker 1: first question I'd really like to ask you. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that fascinated me about your career.
Speaker 1: You joined the Turn to eleven and please forgive me
Speaker 1: if I'm not correct, and yet you won the Masters
Speaker 1: that same year. I mean that was really quite unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised because you know, I know how well
Speaker 1: you hit the ball and how well you play, but
Speaker 1: that was quite a thing. And you know, tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit how you felt, you know, just joining
Speaker 1: the tour and winning the Masters. Yeah, I mean I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot more build up to that,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, actually physically joining at two
Speaker 1: and two thousand and eleven, that was my East year.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, with South Africa and the Sunshine
Speaker 1: Tour in European Tour, grooming us before we get I
Speaker 1: think it's played a big part, you know. Two thousand
Speaker 1: and two was my December two thousand and two was
Speaker 1: my very first European tournament. I was eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: and you know we are we we plaid our school
Speaker 1: fees going through SAfrica and Europe for many years. And
Speaker 1: I used to come to America. I think my first
Speaker 1: tournament wasn't two thousand and seven Millfield, um, and I
Speaker 1: used to come and play the world events and the
Speaker 1: majors on and all. And then in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 1: I finished second to Ernie and Durral and I finished
Speaker 1: third in Houston and that actually got me enough money
Speaker 1: and points to have a full card on the on
Speaker 1: the US two and for two thousand and eleven. And
Speaker 1: you know, so it wasn't a strange thing for me
Speaker 1: to be in America, but that was just the first
Speaker 1: time that I actually had my full privileges. And you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten was my first Master finished three
Speaker 1: year and it's a it's a golf course that the
Speaker 1: first time I played it, I felt very comfortable on.
Speaker 1: So you know, come eleven, I just came off a
Speaker 1: win in South Africa, and I feed it off their
Speaker 1: confidence in it. Um. It's one thing that I I
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, they laugh at the smaller tournaments,
Speaker 1: but I say that I don't care if I win
Speaker 1: the smallest tournament. It's it still takes almost the same
Speaker 1: amount of effort and concentration and determination then it does
Speaker 1: to do to make a big tournament. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've fed a lot of my job ag Open win
Speaker 1: to win Augusta. That's right, and child, you know what
Speaker 1: really fascinates me share there's so many people say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they pooh poo those tournaments outside of America,
Speaker 1: that they've suddenly realized how what it is to when
Speaker 1: I don't care what tournament it is, whether it's the
Speaker 1: Hong Kong Open that all the Asian players and overseas
Speaker 1: players here, you have to score lights out. It's been
Speaker 1: like that ever since I was a young boy. You
Speaker 1: have to really play extremely well, and to win is
Speaker 1: another story. But what's fascinating coming up now with the
Speaker 1: Masters this year, with Musa Yama winning, which was so
Speaker 1: good for golf, they will probably make him the new
Speaker 1: president or Prime Minister of Jamand I said him, listen,
Speaker 1: if you are, please make sure Charlotte and I don't
Speaker 1: need a visa to go there. So he said he
Speaker 1: will arrange that. But the other thing that I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you was, you know when you won. It
Speaker 1: was you were four strokes behind, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: You had people like and Rory and Jason Day just
Speaker 1: to mention a few, but you were so focused and
Speaker 1: you were feeling so confident. And then the way you
Speaker 1: ended the tourment with I was sitting in front of
Speaker 1: the TV. They're jumping sky high where you were getting
Speaker 1: those birdies at the end. What a finish. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's something about that week. I was never I've never
Speaker 1: felt under a lot of pressure. Um. I felt a
Speaker 1: sense of calmness for majority of the week, and I
Speaker 1: kept doing my own thing and I start to ah
Speaker 1: my routine and my um you know, I kept the
Speaker 1: same pace and everything felt really just in sync. Um.
Speaker 1: I was fallback. And for some reason that morning, that
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, I woke up and I said to my wife,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna win, I said, and I said
Speaker 1: it with calmness. It wasn't like I said it to
Speaker 1: put pressure on myself. I just I felt this just
Speaker 1: sense of almost knowing. It might sound arrogant, but that's
Speaker 1: just how it felt. And I was very happy with
Speaker 1: my game progressed because from the week before in Houston,
Speaker 1: I started on working on something just to hit like
Speaker 1: this sort of fade, small fade under pressure at three
Speaker 1: quarter fade shot And and as that we got on.
Speaker 1: I did it every day and it got better and
Speaker 1: better and better, and by Sunday I felt almost bulletproof.
Speaker 1: And you know, I obviously a good T shirt down
Speaker 1: the first hole, but they needed four second shot and
Speaker 1: and like Gary will be able to recall that on
Speaker 1: that side to those flags. You can stand there all day.
Speaker 1: You know, you can go back this right, this right,
Speaker 1: that's the better shot in your second shot. Hold, that's
Speaker 1: a better chip in, then your second shot holding it
Speaker 1: out from the fairway on the third yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: because the third hold it feeds to the whole, you know,
Speaker 1: you eat it up the middle and the green and
Speaker 1: it sort of spins towards all. And they managed to
Speaker 1: go in. But that that chip shot on one was
Speaker 1: just uh. I've refused to go back then chip it
Speaker 1: again because I know I'll just mess it up. When
Speaker 1: you were chipping, when you were chipping there, I said,
Speaker 1: I'll give him twenty shots. He won't get this stuff
Speaker 1: and down. And well I was right, you got it
Speaker 1: up and down. What av uh um you know, and
Speaker 1: then Rory just didn't get off to a good study
Speaker 1: but get the first and by time I held my
Speaker 1: second shot on three, we were all square. All the
Speaker 1: lead was gone, and I I just felt, um, I
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, you've got as good as chance
Speaker 1: as anybody out there. That that's goloes to the lead.
Speaker 1: And Tiger obviously got up to unbelievable start. He was
Speaker 1: like five through eight holes and he was up on
Speaker 1: the board and at the back nine I think the
Speaker 1: lead changed and seven times, so eight times the lead
Speaker 1: on that back nine, and I kept playing really well.
Speaker 1: I just didn't do anything spectacular from that whole. My
Speaker 1: only three part for the week came on the fourth
Speaker 1: or eight at front left, the pin was back right.
Speaker 1: There was a hundred foot part, and three parted on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I kept hitting really good shots, giving
Speaker 1: myself a lot of opportunities, didn't make any um. And
Speaker 1: then you know, standing on the fifteenth tea box, I
Speaker 1: said to Greg McCarry, I said, Greg, we're gonna win this.
Speaker 1: This is the keyhole. I said, fifteen. If you do
Speaker 1: not birdie fifteen in this situation, you you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to do it. And I hit driver six on
Speaker 1: and just I went over the back, and I think
Speaker 1: that's probably the you know, out of the four birdies
Speaker 1: that six ft made there was to me the the
Speaker 1: most important one, and it was probably the easiest part
Speaker 1: of them all. Was an inside right up the hill
Speaker 1: six ft. But at the time it felt hard because
Speaker 1: I knew I had to make it. Um. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I kept hitting good. You know if the four birdies,
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, you just so in in
Speaker 1: the zone and you you're just trying to hit the
Speaker 1: best shot on every shot. And you know, sixteen I
Speaker 1: had a great shot to both fit fed down to
Speaker 1: you know, about fifteen ft below um, and I'll never
Speaker 1: forget the crowd how loud it is down there when
Speaker 1: the part went in on sixteen and um and then
Speaker 1: seventeen to me was finally the shot that I've been
Speaker 1: practicing for so long, that little three quarter shot, because
Speaker 1: I hit it just off the on the right side
Speaker 1: of the fairway and the trees were slightly overhanging and
Speaker 1: I needed to I could get a pitch in which there,
Speaker 1: but the trees were in the way. So I needed
Speaker 1: to hit that three quarter fade shot with a nine nine,
Speaker 1: and I just felt like that's what I was practicing for,
Speaker 1: and I hit a beautiful shot to eight foot. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just if you think, if I think back in it,
Speaker 1: how these things happen? You know, you you can't h
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to practice sort of with I
Speaker 1: don't know, with faith of something happening. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't concert is going to happen. But at that time,
Speaker 1: if I look back for how long I practice that
Speaker 1: specific shot and that's shot on seventeen is not as
Speaker 1: easy as people think it is. You know, coming up
Speaker 1: that first cut, the ball normally comes with overspin, and
Speaker 1: if I headed over the green, my tournament's gone. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think you up and down from over the green,
Speaker 1: not to that back flag. Um, And I hit it
Speaker 1: to eight foot and made that paton well, I M yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean hit the driver as lord as I can.
Speaker 1: I was nervous there was the right shot to do
Speaker 1: for you at that stage. I mean Greg Norman came
Speaker 1: there one year and was driving the ball. He was
Speaker 1: a marvelous driver of a golf ball, the strongest part
Speaker 1: of his game. And he gets to the eighteens and
Speaker 1: he takes out an iron, if I'm not mistaken, leaves
Speaker 1: himself a long way back. Had he hit his driver,
Speaker 1: he would have been then bogey the hole, missing the
Speaker 1: green to the right to be taken his driver, he
Speaker 1: would have been right up there with a wedge and
Speaker 1: maybe even birdie the hole in one. One of the
Speaker 1: things that the media and the public never ever seemed
Speaker 1: to digest, would you fall back? I mean, I won
Speaker 1: three torments in a row, starting at augusta seven behind
Speaker 1: all three weeks. Weren't you six back on the back nine? Pardon?
Speaker 1: Weren't you six pack playing the back nine? I shot yes,
Speaker 1: shot thirty, and then the next week got seven behind
Speaker 1: Ballesteros at the Torment of Champions and shot sixty five
Speaker 1: and a wound'ty rainy day. In the next week I
Speaker 1: was six behind Andy Bean and shot sixty f one there.
Speaker 1: But my point is that people must understand it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how many shots you behind, because when you've got
Speaker 1: to lead, the hardest thing to do in golf is
Speaker 1: to may retain that lead. People to have no idea.
Speaker 1: The whole eventually looks the size of a Bayer restaurant.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not easy to play with that kind
Speaker 1: of pressure. So I think people are beginning to realize
Speaker 1: that now as we saw UH with you know, we
Speaker 1: watched the US Open this year, and you see how
Speaker 1: scores fluctuate all the time. It's always been like that
Speaker 1: in history Art Wall when the master's six shots behind.
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of very interesting things to go.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you'll agree. If there's a golf course
Speaker 1: in Heaven, we'd like it to be like August. We're
Speaker 1: not in a hurry to tee off. But I hope
Speaker 1: I'm the head pro there to prepare things for you
Speaker 1: when you arlive there. But what I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: what are you working on? You're not playing in the
Speaker 1: Open Championship this year? This this this year? No, I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know I was. I've been injured, injured on and
Speaker 1: off for two years and UH world ranking went to
Speaker 1: town and fifty and I started playing injury free this
Speaker 1: year and I'm working my way back. I'm in the
Speaker 1: top hundred now and feeling like my game is probably
Speaker 1: better than it's ever been. Um. But you know, just
Speaker 1: with COVID and stuff that the qualifying criterias have been
Speaker 1: a little different, so I didn't qualify. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to play this week in in Kentucky and I'll play
Speaker 1: the following week at the three M. But you know,
Speaker 1: to be honest, my since it's it's amazing the body.
Speaker 1: If if there's any any small problem that doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be something big, how it affects the way you
Speaker 1: you swing the club and you your body reacts. And
Speaker 1: now that I don't have any pain, I've been working
Speaker 1: with my dad and David lead better. I'm getting a
Speaker 1: swing in the positions that I used to play and then, um,
Speaker 1: it's become sick of nature again. And I think it's
Speaker 1: because I'm a little stronger now than I used to.
Speaker 1: It's better. It's it's much more control than um, you know.
Speaker 1: And what I've realized is that now that i'm driving
Speaker 1: it better and and an iron place good, my my
Speaker 1: wedge game has been weak. So you ask me what
Speaker 1: I'm working on is is from twenty yards and to
Speaker 1: sixty is being very obvious of driving and good and
Speaker 1: long and I've got a lot of these and I
Speaker 1: don't score. So that's that's what I've been working on.
Speaker 1: And it's getting a lot better and um, you know,
Speaker 1: and putting is always a thing that you'll work on for. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was actually watching last week. I was
Speaker 1: watching something about but you when you were playing. You know.
Speaker 1: The sad thing for me is I never saw you
Speaker 1: playing your prime, So I got to go back to
Speaker 1: all these videos and watch you play. And I remember
Speaker 1: playing with you about a month. See, I don't know
Speaker 1: two months ago. We played at Seminal and it was
Speaker 1: very obvious how still you kept when you when you
Speaker 1: parted still told today and then back in your videos
Speaker 1: back you know what I was on YouTube, Um, probably
Speaker 1: in the eighties and the seventies to two parts to
Speaker 1: win tournaments. You didn't even look up, head stay down
Speaker 1: and the ball went in, and then you looked up
Speaker 1: and you almost like the crowd almost told you that
Speaker 1: the puts in. And it's sort of stuck with me. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just as a golf lover and looking at
Speaker 1: guys h people that are do different things how you
Speaker 1: used to do it in the prime, And and and that's hard.
Speaker 1: People don't realize how difficult it is to stay still
Speaker 1: because you're head. We're all so curious, that's right. And
Speaker 1: you look at Tiger, watch how his head, how still
Speaker 1: his head was his head was so so still, and
Speaker 1: so was Nick Felder. You know, it makes a massive
Speaker 1: difference if and it's a good exercise for patients, and
Speaker 1: that's what you need. And you're talking about a calmness.
Speaker 1: You've got to believe you're going to make the put,
Speaker 1: but you've got to also execute and have the right action.
Speaker 1: And if you move, you've got no chance. You watch
Speaker 1: people that got the hips. They're jumping all over the place.
Speaker 1: They can't keep still. And it's terribly, terribly important. But
Speaker 1: I think the word that patients, and it comes back
Speaker 1: to the old story. You know, you look at the
Speaker 1: shambro he's hitting the ball these prodigious distances, but when
Speaker 1: he wins, he puts extremely well. And what wins golf tournaments,
Speaker 1: there's no question. What wins golf tournaments is the mind.
Speaker 1: This is something that you can never explain. Certain players
Speaker 1: have got it. I can't tell you what it is.
Speaker 1: I know that Weiskoff was a better player than Jack
Speaker 1: Nicholas and he won one major Nicholas one eighteen. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot more just than the swing. It's the
Speaker 1: makeup of the person. It's the mind. And now I'm
Speaker 1: going to and it's being a great putter, because if
Speaker 1: you put well, you go into the next tea you
Speaker 1: feel like Tarzan. If your three put you feel like
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse. That I'm not so I think the pudding,
Speaker 1: like you said, but it comes to from the mind.
Speaker 1: So the pudding is the place, the last place that
Speaker 1: it shows up when a guy is in doubt. And
Speaker 1: the videos I was watching of you, and I was
Speaker 1: watching Jack and every or I was just went through
Speaker 1: all the older generation guys that I never saw play.
Speaker 1: You can see it in the guy's eyes. It was
Speaker 1: the same as Tiger when he was playing now obviously
Speaker 1: in his primary you can see it in the eyes.
Speaker 1: That is the focus and the determination. And I you know,
Speaker 1: just from the stuff that I saw with you that um,
Speaker 1: every single time you want or played well, you can
Speaker 1: see there was almost no other option than succeeding. And
Speaker 1: I can relate to that. And for me, I feel
Speaker 1: guilty because I don't do it and I don't get
Speaker 1: in myself in that situation. Enough I done it myself.
Speaker 1: But when every time I've won and I put myself
Speaker 1: in a position, it was the mindset of I will
Speaker 1: succeed in that that's sort of mindset made him so
Speaker 1: determined and fearly failure wasn't an option exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: charl I was called a nut when I spoke about
Speaker 1: weight training all my life. And now you see the
Speaker 1: guy's lifting weights. And I played with this guy called
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill who plays for the Saints the other day.
Speaker 1: I played at him in in Salt Lake City. Well
Speaker 1: he's he's squatting with five hundred pounds. He's lifting these weights,
Speaker 1: and you should see when he hit the ball too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is hard to believe that a man
Speaker 1: could hit the ball that far with a beautiful flowing swing.
Speaker 1: So I was criticized and condemned for lifting weights. And
Speaker 1: then I said, somebody of fifty will win the Masters
Speaker 1: or a major championship one day. Pul Micholson has done it.
Speaker 1: I'm now going to say one day there'll be a
Speaker 1: man of sixty when a major championship. I was criticized
Speaker 1: when I said they'll be hitting the ball four hundred yards. Well,
Speaker 1: if you get a guy like uh, the big basketball
Speaker 1: player what's his name, Lebron James, if he come out
Speaker 1: and play, he might hit the ball five Andre Jarge.
Speaker 1: So we're in our infancy yet in this game to come.
Speaker 1: But if you look at something very significant and and
Speaker 1: and you know, tens of millions of people saw this,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how many digestive full Micholson comes
Speaker 1: out and he wins the p GA. He must have
Speaker 1: lost I don't know, between twenty and forty pounds. His
Speaker 1: face looked young, and then he was really focused. You
Speaker 1: could see him how focused he was. And then you
Speaker 1: watched the Wimbledon, which I watched every single shot shot
Speaker 1: being in quarantine with Djokovic. Now here's a man that
Speaker 1: has done what very very few athletes have done, which
Speaker 1: I've been saying for years, exercise and diet. And here's
Speaker 1: a man now who was exercising. Look at his body,
Speaker 1: not one pound of fat on his body. And secondly,
Speaker 1: the man eats differently to any other athlete that I
Speaker 1: know of most other athletes, and there it is under pressure,
Speaker 1: he was getting more energy. So eating and keeping your
Speaker 1: weight down and exercising is also going to be a
Speaker 1: massive thing in the future. Yeah, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I am I've been fortunate also just to have exercise,
Speaker 1: you know, since I've started playing the game, and I
Speaker 1: can honestly say for sure, when I do my exercises,
Speaker 1: I feel better, I move better, more energy, you know.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, And I'm a big believer in you know, guys,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys at you and I might
Speaker 1: be scrutinized for us, but um, people that you've got
Speaker 1: to do specific things for golf, Yes, you do, but
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. Just do something, yeah, yeah, anything,
Speaker 1: you know, if you do, because it gets some people
Speaker 1: despondent because some of the exercises are really hard to do.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm the type of guy like if
Speaker 1: I just even if I get up now and go
Speaker 1: do five minutes and stuff, you do anything, it's better
Speaker 1: than nothing. You know, it definitely makes you feel better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's no question. But it's very interesting to you
Speaker 1: with David. David I think is a very good teacher. Now,
Speaker 1: I love his idea of teaching. He's very very good.
Speaker 1: So I think you're on the right line. And now
Speaker 1: to go out, And I was just like to say,
Speaker 1: you know, it, isn't it oneful to see South Africa,
Speaker 1: a small country relatively doing so extremely well with all
Speaker 1: our players and to see gay come along and win
Speaker 1: that tournament amazing and went two tourments in England and
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with him trying to
Speaker 1: help him mentally. And he's a very good listener. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of young people today are not very
Speaker 1: good listeners. They think they know it all. When I
Speaker 1: was around Hogan and Sneed and people like that, man,
Speaker 1: I kept my ears open, although Massa was very despondent.
Speaker 1: One year I played with Sam Snead at Greenbrier and
Speaker 1: I tired with him in the tournament and I played
Speaker 1: the last thirty six holes with him. We went in
Speaker 1: a sudden death playoff and he beat me on the
Speaker 1: forty three hole excuse me, the seventh hold mint. I
Speaker 1: played forty three holes of him and I was a
Speaker 1: young boy of twenty one, and I turned around and
Speaker 1: I said, Mr Snead, is there anything you can do
Speaker 1: to help me with my swing? He turned around said,
Speaker 1: I ain't seen you swing yet. Son. A different time
Speaker 1: live in you know, but you know, it's very It's
Speaker 1: great to see the South Everything guys doing so well,
Speaker 1: and it be let's hope another one could follow your
Speaker 1: footsteps and within another major for South Africa. I think
Speaker 1: they're very sure yeah, that's gonna happen, yeah, I said, sincerely, Hope.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah for me. I before Garrick one, um
Speaker 1: the tournament, Uh yeah, yeah, I don't in Georgia. He uh.
Speaker 1: I said that he impressed me the most. He's the
Speaker 1: way he's demeanor, the way he plays the game, and
Speaker 1: exactly what Gary was saying. We played practice round with
Speaker 1: him at the p g A and he was one
Speaker 1: of the few guys that would come up and ask advice.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was but with all the Swales
Speaker 1: that I was doing this trip, my own shots and
Speaker 1: they were all bouncing it into the bank and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I prefer, you know, using like a four
Speaker 1: wine to run it up. And um. He was just
Speaker 1: very open to advice and listening and then obviously taking
Speaker 1: that and doing his thing. And I feel that's the
Speaker 1: if you're able to do that, that's a recipe for success.
Speaker 1: And he won a few weeks later. So my my
Speaker 1: money will be on Garrick being the next guy too,
Speaker 1: you know, new guy too. When you know that Louis
Speaker 1: Louie is playing great golf, he seems to thrive in
Speaker 1: the major he really does. He plays well. I felt
Speaker 1: so sorry for him that he was open because he
Speaker 1: he was close, you know, that's the way he was leading.
Speaker 1: And I spoke to him a few times after that,
Speaker 1: and it hurts. You know. John Ron made two fantastic
Speaker 1: butts in seventeen and eighteen. Then he got pumped. Um Louis, Louis,
Speaker 1: Louis will be Louis will always be a contender. UM's
Speaker 1: doing well. But I think for you guys, kind of Garrick.
Speaker 1: Garrick gets the ball a long way. He's he's sort
Speaker 1: of up with the modern game. You know, I hated,
Speaker 1: I hated still a good distance. I had a further
Speaker 1: than I used to. But Garrett comes up and it's
Speaker 1: as passed me, you know, and doesn't look like he's
Speaker 1: hitting it. It's a strong boys. I like. I like
Speaker 1: his game, and you know, there's nothing better. And that's
Speaker 1: why when I was around Hogan or Snead or any
Speaker 1: of those, those really superstars. And I don't use the
Speaker 1: word superstar lightly. I think to be classified as a superstar,
Speaker 1: you've gotta win six majors. You talk about superstar, not
Speaker 1: a star. And I listened, and I listened to. I
Speaker 1: always asked those guys something and Hogan gave me some
Speaker 1: great tips which helped me to win all those eighteen
Speaker 1: majors on both tours. So what you do is when
Speaker 1: you do advice from somebody with experience, you say years
Speaker 1: years of trial and error that you can get immediately.
Speaker 1: There's no better way than to get success immediately than
Speaker 1: to use experience. And yet so many people and young guys,
Speaker 1: And what fascinates me is so many of these young
Speaker 1: guys today they go two coaches. They can't play with
Speaker 1: the damn they can't break eighty. And you know, we
Speaker 1: saw with Tiger Woods, which was where the most fascinating
Speaker 1: things of my career and one of the saddest things
Speaker 1: because this man is definitely the most talented man that
Speaker 1: ever played golf. There's no question about that. He should
Speaker 1: have won twenty five majors. At least he was winning
Speaker 1: one and a half a year, or maybe even two.
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact the number. But he wins
Speaker 1: the US Open by fifteen shots, not five fifteen. He
Speaker 1: then goes yeah, and now he changes he's swing and
Speaker 1: he doesn't want a major for eleven years, and then
Speaker 1: he somebody decides, no, I better go back to my
Speaker 1: own way. You know it's I'm a great believer their
Speaker 1: categories of teachers like categories in business. If I'm getting
Speaker 1: with a lesson from somebody, I want to go along
Speaker 1: and play with somebody and have a lesson. Who could
Speaker 1: do it under pressure in a championship, particularly a major.
Speaker 1: And you know, nobody was better than Tiger Woods. Why
Speaker 1: had he not changed, he would have won twenty five
Speaker 1: majors at least. And I would love to have seen
Speaker 1: that because it boosts golf, and he was so great
Speaker 1: and to see where he came from, to see what
Speaker 1: he was doing was most gratifying for me. And I
Speaker 1: just love to see him play with My wish should
Speaker 1: have been for you guys to have played against him,
Speaker 1: you and Jack and on it, because it's in the
Speaker 1: modern game. Like I just I love golf. I love
Speaker 1: the sport and I love the challenges that gives. And um,
Speaker 1: in my eyes, I feel I've underachieved a lot. But
Speaker 1: then I look at you guys that took all opportunity,
Speaker 1: most of the opportunities, and and you lost a lot.
Speaker 1: But but you you put yourself in a position to
Speaker 1: win so many times that you did. Um, But I
Speaker 1: would love to have seen the young Gary players play
Speaker 1: against Tiger Woods, and you know, because Tiger when he
Speaker 1: was winning a lot and you could tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. River, It seemed like a lot of guys
Speaker 1: type videos used to keep the space because the other guys.
Speaker 1: You knew that guys are gonna fall away. Great and
Speaker 1: you guys, if I look at the back, you know
Speaker 1: again highlights and it's one of my regrets. And never
Speaker 1: been able to see you guys play in a prime.
Speaker 1: But very few times you guys won. Somebody gave it
Speaker 1: to you went and you got it. You mean shooting
Speaker 1: thirty on the at the Master's at Augusta on the
Speaker 1: back nine on Sunday. We didn't see that anymore. Last
Speaker 1: time we saw it was when I think Nicholson be
Speaker 1: to any in Um for the for his first one.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't I made the four birdies. But
Speaker 1: you very seldom see someone in a major, and I
Speaker 1: think we used to see it more in your time.
Speaker 1: Somebody come from behind and and do that five and
Speaker 1: six and back nine. Yeah, that's sort of superstars. You know,
Speaker 1: like today there's there's great players and maybe technology has
Speaker 1: broad guys a little closer together. And maybe I don't
Speaker 1: know you can argue that point, but but it seemed
Speaker 1: like back then you just look at their faces, the
Speaker 1: determination that happened. It can't tell me they were They
Speaker 1: didn't feel the pressure that the guy feels today at
Speaker 1: the same pressure, yet it's almost like they wanted it more.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And also, you know, when you
Speaker 1: think when we played, we played with hundreds of spike
Speaker 1: marks on the green because of steel spikes. The bunkers
Speaker 1: didn't have machines to break each bunk of the same
Speaker 1: in Johannesburg as in New York, and we didn't have
Speaker 1: bits to take us. I offer went by a Grayhound bus.
Speaker 1: I remember game bus from Fort Worth to Houston. So
Speaker 1: I would love to have had the opportunity of playing
Speaker 1: against Tiger with the same conditions and not and not
Speaker 1: under the conditions we played under because we were not
Speaker 1: scared of people. We didn't buckle under and get scared
Speaker 1: to play against anybody because we came up in a
Speaker 1: very hard way of having to play. Look at Trevino,
Speaker 1: I mean, is nobody playing the tour today today that
Speaker 1: can hit the ball from Teacher Green like Trevino did.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was so good. He never missed
Speaker 1: fairways in greens. He was absolutely unbelievable at striking the ball.
Speaker 1: From teaching and forgiving technology, Yes, that's this is the
Speaker 1: big issue. It's such a the ball goes fifty yards
Speaker 1: further now. I'm e T five now and still shooting
Speaker 1: par If I had to go back to my old equipment,
Speaker 1: I will, I tell you either, I wouldn't break Eddie.
Speaker 1: So but anyway, that's that's great that that the technology
Speaker 1: has improved. It's great that they're playing for more prize
Speaker 1: money and they got Jis. I think it's wonderful. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely terrific to see that. And Charlott's so nice to
Speaker 1: talk to you. I enjoyed it very much. You've always
Speaker 1: been one of my favorites. And I hope you played
Speaker 1: very well. Uh and you come back and play full
Speaker 1: time all the time. Yeah, Thanks Eric, all the best
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