WEBVTT - Charl Schwartzel 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.840 M Well, first of all, I like to welcome you 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.280 Shall to the Player series. It's so nice to have 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.200 you a child, I've known you since you were we 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.520 lad and always amile. The way you play, and the 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.840 first question I'd really like to ask you. You know, 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.920 one of the things that fascinated me about your career. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.439 You joined the Turn to eleven and please forgive me 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.720 if I'm not correct, and yet you won the Masters 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.479 that same year. I mean that was really quite unbelievable. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.640 I wasn't surprised because you know, I know how well 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.640 you hit the ball and how well you play, but 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.599 that was quite a thing. And you know, tell us 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.159 a little bit how you felt, you know, just joining 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:51.800 the tour and winning the Masters. Yeah, I mean I think, um, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.720 you know, there was a lot more build up to that, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.400 you know, so you know, actually physically joining at two 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.480 and two thousand and eleven, that was my East year. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:05.280 But um, you know, with South Africa and the Sunshine 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:10.680 Tour in European Tour, grooming us before we get I 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.280 think it's played a big part, you know. Two thousand 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.040 and two was my December two thousand and two was 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.720 my very first European tournament. I was eighteen years old, 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.160 and you know we are we we plaid our school 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.679 fees going through SAfrica and Europe for many years. And 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.040 I used to come to America. I think my first 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:35.920 tournament wasn't two thousand and seven Millfield, um, and I 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.000 used to come and play the world events and the 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.199 majors on and all. And then in two thousand and ten, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.400 I finished second to Ernie and Durral and I finished 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.680 third in Houston and that actually got me enough money 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.880 and points to have a full card on the on 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.160 the US two and for two thousand and eleven. And 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.360 you know, so it wasn't a strange thing for me 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.520 to be in America, but that was just the first 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.600 time that I actually had my full privileges. And you know, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.680 two thousand and ten was my first Master finished three 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:12.600 year and it's a it's a golf course that the 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.160 first time I played it, I felt very comfortable on. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.160 So you know, come eleven, I just came off a 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.280 win in South Africa, and I feed it off their 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:25.520 confidence in it. Um. It's one thing that I I 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.240 tell people, you know, they laugh at the smaller tournaments, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.919 but I say that I don't care if I win 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.960 the smallest tournament. It's it still takes almost the same 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:39.600 amount of effort and concentration and determination then it does 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.000 to do to make a big tournament. And you know, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.160 I've fed a lot of my job ag Open win 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.720 to win Augusta. That's right, and child, you know what 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:54.240 really fascinates me share there's so many people say, well, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.519 you know, they pooh poo those tournaments outside of America, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.720 that they've suddenly realized how what it is to when 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.799 I don't care what tournament it is, whether it's the 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.919 Hong Kong Open that all the Asian players and overseas 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.679 players here, you have to score lights out. It's been 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.240 like that ever since I was a young boy. You 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.600 have to really play extremely well, and to win is 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.440 another story. But what's fascinating coming up now with the 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.640 Masters this year, with Musa Yama winning, which was so 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.839 good for golf, they will probably make him the new 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.800 president or Prime Minister of Jamand I said him, listen, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.679 if you are, please make sure Charlotte and I don't 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.440 need a visa to go there. So he said he 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.480 will arrange that. But the other thing that I wanted 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.440 to ask you was, you know when you won. It 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.400 was you were four strokes behind, if I remember correctly. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.520 You had people like and Rory and Jason Day just 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.840 to mention a few, but you were so focused and 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.680 you were feeling so confident. And then the way you 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.400 ended the tourment with I was sitting in front of 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.280 the TV. They're jumping sky high where you were getting 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.360 those birdies at the end. What a finish. Yeah, you know, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:14.440 it's something about that week. I was never I've never 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:19.279 felt under a lot of pressure. Um. I felt a 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.560 sense of calmness for majority of the week, and I 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.440 kept doing my own thing and I start to ah 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:31.760 my routine and my um you know, I kept the 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:36.919 same pace and everything felt really just in sync. Um. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.560 I was fallback. And for some reason that morning, that 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.800 Sunday morning, I woke up and I said to my wife, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.120 I said, I'm gonna win, I said, and I said 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.080 it with calmness. It wasn't like I said it to 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.479 put pressure on myself. I just I felt this just 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.279 sense of almost knowing. It might sound arrogant, but that's 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.919 just how it felt. And I was very happy with 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.159 my game progressed because from the week before in Houston, 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.919 I started on working on something just to hit like 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.920 this sort of fade, small fade under pressure at three 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.479 quarter fade shot And and as that we got on. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.840 I did it every day and it got better and 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.960 better and better, and by Sunday I felt almost bulletproof. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:25.200 And you know, I obviously a good T shirt down 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:29.240 the first hole, but they needed four second shot and 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.920 and like Gary will be able to recall that on 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.839 that side to those flags. You can stand there all day. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.200 You know, you can go back this right, this right, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.120 that's the better shot in your second shot. Hold, that's 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.680 a better chip in, then your second shot holding it 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.960 out from the fairway on the third yeah, exactly, yeah, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.719 because the third hold it feeds to the whole, you know, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.520 you eat it up the middle and the green and 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.000 it sort of spins towards all. And they managed to 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.960 go in. But that that chip shot on one was 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.400 just uh. I've refused to go back then chip it 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.039 again because I know I'll just mess it up. When 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.200 you were chipping, when you were chipping there, I said, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.080 I'll give him twenty shots. He won't get this stuff 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.279 and down. And well I was right, you got it 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:21.560 up and down. What av uh um you know, and 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.440 then Rory just didn't get off to a good study 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.640 but get the first and by time I held my 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.320 second shot on three, we were all square. All the 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.839 lead was gone, and I I just felt, um, I 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.120 felt like, you know, you've got as good as chance 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.880 as anybody out there. That that's goloes to the lead. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.960 And Tiger obviously got up to unbelievable start. He was 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.120 like five through eight holes and he was up on 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.839 the board and at the back nine I think the 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:52.000 lead changed and seven times, so eight times the lead 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:56.719 on that back nine, and I kept playing really well. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.240 I just didn't do anything spectacular from that whole. My 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.400 only three part for the week came on the fourth 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.560 or eight at front left, the pin was back right. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.600 There was a hundred foot part, and three parted on Sunday. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.200 Other than that, I kept hitting really good shots, giving 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.880 myself a lot of opportunities, didn't make any um. And 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.920 then you know, standing on the fifteenth tea box, I 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.120 said to Greg McCarry, I said, Greg, we're gonna win this. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.920 This is the keyhole. I said, fifteen. If you do 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.840 not birdie fifteen in this situation, you you're probably not 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.800 going to do it. And I hit driver six on 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.080 and just I went over the back, and I think 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.800 that's probably the you know, out of the four birdies 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.800 that six ft made there was to me the the 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:49.080 most important one, and it was probably the easiest part 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.560 of them all. Was an inside right up the hill 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.080 six ft. But at the time it felt hard because 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.800 I knew I had to make it. Um. Yeah, and 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.880 then I kept hitting good. You know if the four birdies, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.840 you know, at the time, you just so in in 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:09.920 the zone and you you're just trying to hit the 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.320 best shot on every shot. And you know, sixteen I 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.600 had a great shot to both fit fed down to 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:25.240 you know, about fifteen ft below um, and I'll never 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.200 forget the crowd how loud it is down there when 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.880 the part went in on sixteen and um and then 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.520 seventeen to me was finally the shot that I've been 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.840 practicing for so long, that little three quarter shot, because 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.760 I hit it just off the on the right side 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.200 of the fairway and the trees were slightly overhanging and 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.840 I needed to I could get a pitch in which there, 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.240 but the trees were in the way. So I needed 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.160 to hit that three quarter fade shot with a nine nine, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.160 and I just felt like that's what I was practicing for, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.920 and I hit a beautiful shot to eight foot. You know, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.080 it's just if you think, if I think back in it, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:04.640 how these things happen? You know, you you can't h 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:10.240 you know, you've got to practice sort of with I 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.599 don't know, with faith of something happening. You know, you 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.960 can't concert is going to happen. But at that time, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.480 if I look back for how long I practice that 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.880 specific shot and that's shot on seventeen is not as 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.600 easy as people think it is. You know, coming up 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.240 that first cut, the ball normally comes with overspin, and 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.720 if I headed over the green, my tournament's gone. You know, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.800 I don't think you up and down from over the green, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.199 not to that back flag. Um, And I hit it 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:40.640 to eight foot and made that paton well, I M yeah. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.000 I mean hit the driver as lord as I can. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.319 I was nervous there was the right shot to do 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.840 for you at that stage. I mean Greg Norman came 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.840 there one year and was driving the ball. He was 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.840 a marvelous driver of a golf ball, the strongest part 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.160 of his game. And he gets to the eighteens and 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.559 he takes out an iron, if I'm not mistaken, leaves 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.839 himself a long way back. Had he hit his driver, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.880 he would have been then bogey the hole, missing the 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.480 green to the right to be taken his driver, he 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.200 would have been right up there with a wedge and 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.320 maybe even birdie the hole in one. One of the 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.760 things that the media and the public never ever seemed 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.360 to digest, would you fall back? I mean, I won 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.600 three torments in a row, starting at augusta seven behind 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.960 all three weeks. Weren't you six back on the back nine? Pardon? 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.959 Weren't you six pack playing the back nine? I shot yes, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.520 shot thirty, and then the next week got seven behind 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:43.720 Ballesteros at the Torment of Champions and shot sixty five 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.800 and a wound'ty rainy day. In the next week I 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.400 was six behind Andy Bean and shot sixty f one there. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:54.160 But my point is that people must understand it doesn't 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.080 matter how many shots you behind, because when you've got 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.559 to lead, the hardest thing to do in golf is 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.760 to may retain that lead. People to have no idea. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.600 The whole eventually looks the size of a Bayer restaurant. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.360 You know, it's not easy to play with that kind 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.280 of pressure. So I think people are beginning to realize 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.719 that now as we saw UH with you know, we 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.920 watched the US Open this year, and you see how 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.080 scores fluctuate all the time. It's always been like that 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.520 in history Art Wall when the master's six shots behind. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.319 We've seen a lot of very interesting things to go. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.880 But I'm sure you'll agree. If there's a golf course 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.040 in Heaven, we'd like it to be like August. We're 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.080 not in a hurry to tee off. But I hope 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.400 I'm the head pro there to prepare things for you 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.840 when you arlive there. But what I wanted to ask you, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.320 what are you working on? You're not playing in the 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.160 Open Championship this year? This this this year? No, I'm not, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.719 you know I was. I've been injured, injured on and 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:55.280 off for two years and UH world ranking went to 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.840 town and fifty and I started playing injury free this 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.720 year and I'm working my way back. I'm in the 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.680 top hundred now and feeling like my game is probably 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.280 better than it's ever been. Um. But you know, just 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.360 with COVID and stuff that the qualifying criterias have been 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.440 a little different, so I didn't qualify. So I'm going 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:20.439 to play this week in in Kentucky and I'll play 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.080 the following week at the three M. But you know, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.560 to be honest, my since it's it's amazing the body. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:33.120 If if there's any any small problem that doesn't have 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.760 to be something big, how it affects the way you 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.520 you swing the club and you your body reacts. And 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.959 now that I don't have any pain, I've been working 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.560 with my dad and David lead better. I'm getting a 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:51.320 swing in the positions that I used to play and then, um, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.640 it's become sick of nature again. And I think it's 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.560 because I'm a little stronger now than I used to. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.600 It's better. It's it's much more control than um, you know. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.319 And what I've realized is that now that i'm driving 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.960 it better and and an iron place good, my my 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.840 wedge game has been weak. So you ask me what 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.160 I'm working on is is from twenty yards and to 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.760 sixty is being very obvious of driving and good and 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.080 long and I've got a lot of these and I 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.840 don't score. So that's that's what I've been working on. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.760 And it's getting a lot better and um, you know, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.040 and putting is always a thing that you'll work on for. Yeah. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.440 In fact, I was actually watching last week. I was 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.480 watching something about but you when you were playing. You know. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.000 The sad thing for me is I never saw you 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.000 playing your prime, So I got to go back to 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:47.720 all these videos and watch you play. And I remember 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.240 playing with you about a month. See, I don't know 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.880 two months ago. We played at Seminal and it was 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.560 very obvious how still you kept when you when you 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.720 parted still told today and then back in your videos 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.960 back you know what I was on YouTube, Um, probably 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.439 in the eighties and the seventies to two parts to 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.960 win tournaments. You didn't even look up, head stay down 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.400 and the ball went in, and then you looked up 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.520 and you almost like the crowd almost told you that 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:22.720 the puts in. And it's sort of stuck with me. Um, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.320 you know, just as a golf lover and looking at 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:32.200 guys h people that are do different things how you 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:33.880 used to do it in the prime, And and and that's hard. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.440 People don't realize how difficult it is to stay still 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.760 because you're head. We're all so curious, that's right. And 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.400 you look at Tiger, watch how his head, how still 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:48.360 his head was his head was so so still, and 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.880 so was Nick Felder. You know, it makes a massive 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.920 difference if and it's a good exercise for patients, and 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.680 that's what you need. And you're talking about a calmness. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.400 You've got to believe you're going to make the put, 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.920 but you've got to also execute and have the right action. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.640 And if you move, you've got no chance. You watch 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.520 people that got the hips. They're jumping all over the place. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.960 They can't keep still. And it's terribly, terribly important. But 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.680 I think the word that patients, and it comes back 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.640 to the old story. You know, you look at the 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.160 shambro he's hitting the ball these prodigious distances, but when 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.040 he wins, he puts extremely well. And what wins golf tournaments, 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.200 there's no question. What wins golf tournaments is the mind. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.400 This is something that you can never explain. Certain players 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.240 have got it. I can't tell you what it is. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.040 I know that Weiskoff was a better player than Jack 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:45.320 Nicholas and he won one major Nicholas one eighteen. So 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.560 there's a lot more just than the swing. It's the 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.920 makeup of the person. It's the mind. And now I'm 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.640 going to and it's being a great putter, because if 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.480 you put well, you go into the next tea you 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.200 feel like Tarzan. If your three put you feel like 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.440 Mickey Mouse. That I'm not so I think the pudding, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.120 like you said, but it comes to from the mind. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.960 So the pudding is the place, the last place that 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.760 it shows up when a guy is in doubt. And 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.960 the videos I was watching of you, and I was 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.480 watching Jack and every or I was just went through 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.760 all the older generation guys that I never saw play. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.600 You can see it in the guy's eyes. It was 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.240 the same as Tiger when he was playing now obviously 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.400 in his primary you can see it in the eyes. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:36.200 That is the focus and the determination. And I you know, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:41.400 just from the stuff that I saw with you that um, 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.520 every single time you want or played well, you can 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:51.120 see there was almost no other option than succeeding. And 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.560 I can relate to that. And for me, I feel 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.000 guilty because I don't do it and I don't get 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.760 in myself in that situation. Enough I done it myself. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.360 But when every time I've won and I put myself 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:07.600 in a position, it was the mindset of I will 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.000 succeed in that that's sort of mindset made him so 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:23.359 determined and fearly failure wasn't an option exactly. You know, 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.080 charl I was called a nut when I spoke about 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.040 weight training all my life. And now you see the 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.800 guy's lifting weights. And I played with this guy called 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.040 Taysom Hill who plays for the Saints the other day. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.760 I played at him in in Salt Lake City. Well 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:43.040 he's he's squatting with five hundred pounds. He's lifting these weights, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.800 and you should see when he hit the ball too. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:47.960 I mean, it is hard to believe that a man 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.359 could hit the ball that far with a beautiful flowing swing. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.520 So I was criticized and condemned for lifting weights. And 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.280 then I said, somebody of fifty will win the Masters 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.600 or a major championship one day. Pul Micholson has done it. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.320 I'm now going to say one day there'll be a 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.719 man of sixty when a major championship. I was criticized 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.520 when I said they'll be hitting the ball four hundred yards. Well, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:15.240 if you get a guy like uh, the big basketball 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:20.040 player what's his name, Lebron James, if he come out 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.160 and play, he might hit the ball five Andre Jarge. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.520 So we're in our infancy yet in this game to come. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.560 But if you look at something very significant and and 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.199 and you know, tens of millions of people saw this, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.160 but I don't know how many digestive full Micholson comes 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.800 out and he wins the p GA. He must have 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.840 lost I don't know, between twenty and forty pounds. His 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.040 face looked young, and then he was really focused. You 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.480 could see him how focused he was. And then you 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.200 watched the Wimbledon, which I watched every single shot shot 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.639 being in quarantine with Djokovic. Now here's a man that 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.280 has done what very very few athletes have done, which 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.359 I've been saying for years, exercise and diet. And here's 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.320 a man now who was exercising. Look at his body, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:12.000 not one pound of fat on his body. And secondly, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.280 the man eats differently to any other athlete that I 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:21.360 know of most other athletes, and there it is under pressure, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.240 he was getting more energy. So eating and keeping your 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.720 weight down and exercising is also going to be a 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:35.240 massive thing in the future. Yeah, and I agree with you. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:41.520 I am I've been fortunate also just to have exercise, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:47.520 you know, since I've started playing the game, and I 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:52.000 can honestly say for sure, when I do my exercises, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.040 I feel better, I move better, more energy, you know. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.439 You Yeah, And I'm a big believer in you know, guys, 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:02.919 there's a lot of guys at you and I might 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:08.360 be scrutinized for us, but um, people that you've got 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.639 to do specific things for golf, Yes, you do, but 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.680 I don't believe it. Just do something, yeah, yeah, anything, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.879 you know, if you do, because it gets some people 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.280 despondent because some of the exercises are really hard to do. 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.440 And you know, I'm the type of guy like if 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.399 I just even if I get up now and go 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.200 do five minutes and stuff, you do anything, it's better 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.320 than nothing. You know, it definitely makes you feel better. Yeah, 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.240 And there's no question. But it's very interesting to you 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.320 with David. David I think is a very good teacher. Now, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.160 I love his idea of teaching. He's very very good. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.880 So I think you're on the right line. And now 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.240 to go out, And I was just like to say, 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.240 you know, it, isn't it oneful to see South Africa, 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:57.600 a small country relatively doing so extremely well with all 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.000 our players and to see gay come along and win 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:06.080 that tournament amazing and went two tourments in England and 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.199 I spent a lot of time with him trying to 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.720 help him mentally. And he's a very good listener. You 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.000 know a lot of young people today are not very 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.679 good listeners. They think they know it all. When I 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.360 was around Hogan and Sneed and people like that, man, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.720 I kept my ears open, although Massa was very despondent. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.080 One year I played with Sam Snead at Greenbrier and 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.399 I tired with him in the tournament and I played 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.280 the last thirty six holes with him. We went in 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.080 a sudden death playoff and he beat me on the 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.840 forty three hole excuse me, the seventh hold mint. I 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.320 played forty three holes of him and I was a 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.159 young boy of twenty one, and I turned around and 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.520 I said, Mr Snead, is there anything you can do 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.240 to help me with my swing? He turned around said, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:55.399 I ain't seen you swing yet. Son. A different time 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:02.359 live in you know, but you know, it's very It's 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.080 great to see the South Everything guys doing so well, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.000 and it be let's hope another one could follow your 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:14.120 footsteps and within another major for South Africa. I think 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.480 they're very sure yeah, that's gonna happen, yeah, I said, sincerely, Hope. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:25.680 So yeah, yeah for me. I before Garrick one, um 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:32.000 the tournament, Uh yeah, yeah, I don't in Georgia. He uh. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.960 I said that he impressed me the most. He's the 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.960 way he's demeanor, the way he plays the game, and 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:41.000 exactly what Gary was saying. We played practice round with 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.199 him at the p g A and he was one 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.760 of the few guys that would come up and ask advice. 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:52.200 And you know, I was but with all the Swales 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.080 that I was doing this trip, my own shots and 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.560 they were all bouncing it into the bank and I said, yeah, 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.000 I said, I prefer, you know, using like a four 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.800 wine to run it up. And um. He was just 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.960 very open to advice and listening and then obviously taking 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.800 that and doing his thing. And I feel that's the 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.480 if you're able to do that, that's a recipe for success. 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.720 And he won a few weeks later. So my my 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.280 money will be on Garrick being the next guy too, 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.160