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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh that was nasty,

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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on, break

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Speaker 2: it on, Swim to the ground by Puda Baker like

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Speaker 2: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I ain't

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with a quote from the Great gar Deck,

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Speaker 2: the Barbarian who said to the media in response to

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Speaker 2: a question about Jonathan Gannon, what he's been establishing is

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Speaker 2: the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. That quote,

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Speaker 2: accountability has definitely been ratcheted up, and it was a

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Speaker 2: little uncomfortable at first. End. Quote Dennis Gardek. I bring

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Speaker 2: Danny Sirek, Darren Urban yours truly poly podcast. The accountability

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Speaker 2: has been ratcheted up when we interrupt your vacation to

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Speaker 2: podcast and pose a question here and get rolling as

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Speaker 2: we await the commencement of Cardinals Camp twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: So get out of vacation mode, Darren, Yes, and get

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Speaker 2: your football thinking camp.

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Speaker 3: Never in vacation mode.

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Speaker 4: That's probably true.

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Speaker 2: Danny literally just sat up in her chair. Okay, here

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Speaker 2: we go. You never know. Hey, we had count Ingram

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Speaker 2: on the Big Red Rage recently and he said that

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon has come at him a couple of times

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Speaker 2: in team meetings like you don't know. You don't know

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Speaker 2: when the head coach is going to call on you.

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Speaker 2: So you know what, fair game players or media, Here

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Speaker 2: we go, because here is the question. Envision that I'm

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Speaker 2: the head coach, Danny, we have a what if question

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Speaker 2: for you to discuss. These are all what if questions and.

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Speaker 3: We should preface this by saying that before we started recording,

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Speaker 3: Darren made sure that Paul and I understood this game

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Speaker 3: of what ifs that was sent out in the rundown,

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Speaker 3: And I said, are you asking if we understand this game?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm the one who never understands your games, like

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Speaker 3: the one about the ACL return and betting a paycheck

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Speaker 3: and then so so yes, I'm ready because I understand

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Speaker 2: Are you saying you're placing this under the category heading

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Speaker 2: of reindeer games? Is that what you're saying? What do

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Speaker 2: we have? I mean? Is this? Are you dis missing

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Speaker 2: the actual question itself?

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Speaker 1: Dan?

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Speaker 2: Before we even pose the question?

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Speaker 3: Normally, I don't understand Darren's games.

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Speaker 2: So Darren explained to everyone who's about to.

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Speaker 5: So we have a series of five I have what

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Speaker 5: if questions that will allow us to go in whatever

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Speaker 5: whatever we're thinking for this fine nearly right.

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Speaker 4: Before camp, not really mid July podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go. We're running the all huddle.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get the ball to my playmakers and

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Speaker 2: Danny and Darren. Let's go. Darren, in fact, you know

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Speaker 2: what you can start, since this is your idea. Here,

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Speaker 2: we'll start with number one. That is question number one,

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Speaker 2: what if Kyler Murray? What if Kyler does not return

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Speaker 2: until week ten? Wow?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, see that's it makes you think a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit past Halloween. We're talking early November.

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Speaker 5: So okay, okay, here's what's interesting to me about the

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Speaker 4: At least four games, gotcha.

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Speaker 5: Now, obviously week tends a lot more than four games.

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Speaker 4: For next season?

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Speaker 5: Because if he comes back in week ten, you're nine

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Speaker 5: And I think that could be a tough road to hoe.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm the record of saying he's got to play

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Speaker 3: That was gonna be my caveat to follow up was

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Speaker 3: also for this coaching staff, you're right to evaluate for

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Speaker 3: of Kyler Murray's contract. That's not the point of what

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Speaker 3: near the end of the season. If that's the case,

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Speaker 3: do you sprinkling Clayton tune a little more often? Sure?

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Speaker 3: Why not? But I still think it would be important

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Speaker 3: right now it's Colt McCoy's starting job to lose.

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Speaker 2: Look, Kyler has not been the same quarterback ever since

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Speaker 2: the playoff loss. True or false?

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Speaker 3: True? How correlated are they? I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's cause and effect. I'm just saying, oh, then,

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Speaker 4: I would agree.

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Speaker 2: But now there's the team, right, A lot went wrong

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Speaker 2: I mean, it can't get any worse than that in

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Speaker 2: So hopefully when he comes back in week ten this year,

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Speaker 2: if that's the premise of this question, you have an

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Speaker 5: I would agree with that, and I would also say, again,

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Speaker 5: about the different tentacles that these questions can have. What

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Speaker 5: if Kyler Murray doesn't return to week ten and you

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Speaker 5: I don't think Clayton tune's your starter when you start,

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Speaker 5: But if you get six or seven games in the season,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you could. Could you see him? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Do I expect Clayton Tuon to be your number three

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Speaker 2: will be number one? I do. I think Clayton Tune

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Speaker 4: So that's a that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Here's the only thing I'll

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Speaker 2: Craig Grielou about this on Cardinals cover too. Has he

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Speaker 2: He certainly didn't do it in high school, didn't do

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Speaker 2: get Kyler reps in this scheme A to evaluate him

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Speaker 2: to your point, Danny, but then b if he's your

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Speaker 2: future franchise quarterback after this season, there's nothing like regular

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Speaker 2: He never had a chance to sit on the sidelines

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Speaker 2: that that's pretty plausible right there. What if question number two?

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Speaker 2: Danny will start with you, what if Zavin Collins becomes

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Speaker 3: I think we can take out the what if I

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Speaker 3: the size and intelligence, I mean, if you hope that MEI,

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Speaker 3: ramp up the production to try and you know, compliment

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Speaker 3: is your number one outside linebacker. What kind of production

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Speaker 3: do you have from that room? I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't a ton last year. You were relying heavily

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Speaker 3: of how disruptive are you going to be.

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Speaker 5: It's funny because that question can look so many different ways, Right.

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Speaker 2: Why is your number one place?

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Speaker 2: Is it because of what he's doing or what the

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Speaker 3: Does he? I mean, look, Greg Dortch has played well

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Speaker 2: Right, buddy? He played when Rondale Moore was not right.

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Speaker 2: What was interesting is Rob Frederickson on The Big Red

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Speaker 3: If Michael Wilson's going to be a top three receiver,

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Speaker 2: I just I've been burned too many times over the year.

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Speaker 4: From stands, what if it didn't say?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: All right? So there you go. All right? So that

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Speaker 4: Well, that's good, we didn't invite him to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Why are you manifesting this negativity? Darren?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: It's a reality check we're getting.

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Speaker 4: You are talking about this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that they're going to have a new

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Speaker 5: We'll see again and that if you read the question,

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Speaker 5: What's interesting about this whole thing is if he's not

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Speaker 4: Those guys went into camp.

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Speaker 3: Another cough fall, just Marcus.

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Speaker 4: Who was it?

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 5: I don't think you can dodge the issue quite as

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Speaker 2: And if it's not glaring enough, just conspicuous by his absence,

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Speaker 2: What if finale?

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Speaker 3: you don't really think he's a great fit on the

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Speaker 3: right side, well that's why you draft to Paris Johnson

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Speaker 3: Junior was to be your future left tackle.

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Speaker 5: You think, here's the other what if about this? What

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Speaker 5: if if Paris Johnson Junior is playing right tackle? I mean,

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Speaker 5: this is a guy who's played more guard at Ohio

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Speaker 5: State than tackle. He played two years of guard and

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Speaker 5: one year of tackle, so he's not in the guard equation.

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Speaker 5: So are you Does that mean you feel better about

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Speaker 5: who you could potentially put a guard or is it

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Speaker 5: just a question of you just want to make sure

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Speaker 5: Paris Johnson is a tackle.

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Speaker 2: I think they're looking past twenty twenty three primarily. You

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Speaker 2: have Kelvin Beacham on a one year deal, so or

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Speaker 2: is it a two year deal at one million per essentially?

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Speaker 2: I mean based on the money they're paying them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, yeah, it's very disposable. So he's your future.

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Speaker 2: He's a future starting tackle. And that was a comment

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Speaker 2: from Jonathan Gannon when asked pointedly by the media, you know, okay,

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Speaker 2: what's he playing? Interior is he playing? And he demurred

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Speaker 2: and didn't say much, and then at the end he said,

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Speaker 2: budd he has everything you need to be a starting

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Speaker 2: tackle in this league. It's about as telling as you're

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Speaker 2: going to get out of Jonathan Gannon this offseason in

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Speaker 2: terms of positions and answering questions like that. So again,

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Speaker 2: I've said this repeatedly. It's a trend Seattle starter rookie tackles.

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Speaker 2: He had the Giants starting Evan Neil's seventh overall out

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Speaker 2: of Alabama, and he started the whole year. He's bookend

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Speaker 2: with Andrew Thomas. That's solidified that Giants offensive line. I

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Speaker 2: think the Cardinals have designs on doing exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I think they have enough candidates to start at left guard.

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Speaker 2: Josh Jones could be one of them, although I got

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Speaker 2: a lot of varying opinions as to whether he's a

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Speaker 2: guard at all, because you know, our opinion at this

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Speaker 2: time last year was, well, maybe his future since he

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Speaker 2: loves the left side and he's only good on the

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Speaker 2: left side, is to be as a left guard. But

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of people who don't think at

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Speaker 2: six foot seven, he's just viable. In his one year

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Speaker 2: that he played, got a lot of starts to right

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Speaker 2: guard did not go well. So the thing is, to

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Speaker 2: Danny's point, he's a viable trade candidate because it's a

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Speaker 2: contract year. Can you get something in return for him,

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Speaker 2: especially if Calvin Beachum is the better swing tackle candidate.

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Speaker 2: My fear would be you cut him Josh Jones, he

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Speaker 2: hits the waiver wire and ends up in La as

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Speaker 2: the Rams starting left tackle because they are still hurting

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Speaker 2: on that offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I do not think he gets cut. That may be traded,

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Speaker 5: but he I don't think he's go and cut.

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Speaker 2: True. I mean you, you can walk away from him

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year. Then right on this roster,

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Speaker 2: Yeah right.

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Speaker 5: I mean the one thing that this team has going

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Speaker 5: for anywhere is that's got cap space right now. And

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Speaker 5: you're not you're you're you're not You're not benefiting from

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Speaker 5: cutting people in that regard.

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Speaker 4: You don't need to do that this year.

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Speaker 2: So and look, I'm knocking on wood when I say this.

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Speaker 2: Anytime you have an offensive lineman and back injury in

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Speaker 2: the same sentence, DJ Humphreys and he was this close

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Speaker 2: to requiring surgery but decided against it and then rehabbed

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Speaker 2: it and looks like it's gone really well. I mean, Dj,

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Speaker 2: you know, but but if you're many us and for

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Speaker 2: it having another potential left tackle on the roster the

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Speaker 2: entirety of this season just basically in the uncertainty of

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Speaker 2: DJ's back injury and now he's can he sustain a

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Speaker 2: seventeen game season?

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Speaker 5: This will This will make Danny feel better if if

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Speaker 5: the question is what if Paris John and your starting

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Speaker 5: right tackle, that means DJ Humphreyes is healthy enough to

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Speaker 5: play a left tackle?

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Speaker 2: Y know? True, that's good.

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Speaker 3: That does make me feel better.

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Speaker 2: I sort of morphed that into a what if Josh

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Speaker 2: Jones question? You're right, let's tie it back to Paris Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Okay, your nose breaking rules, but let it slide. That's

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Speaker 3: why we love you.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I think our work here is done.

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Speaker 4: I think it is.

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Speaker 2: I just got a text that you two have been

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Speaker 2: granted your summer vacation, or at least to resume your

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Speaker 2: summer vacation, So try not to leave skid marks in

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Speaker 2: the parking lot.

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Speaker 5: What if Paul Calvic wrapped up this podcast right?

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Speaker 2: What have we said? Thou shout summer vacation effective right

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