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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number three and seven,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, I'm joined by New York

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Speaker 1: bow hunter Jesse Coots to discuss the importance of being

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Speaker 1: what he calls a freestyle hunter when targeting big old bucks. Okay,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by on X, and I gotta apologize to you guys

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Speaker 1: here in advance for my voice. I am dealing with

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Speaker 1: a bit of a cold here. But I did have

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Speaker 1: a great guest on it that I chatted with before

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Speaker 1: I got my cold, so the rest of the interview

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Speaker 1: is gonna sound better. My guest today is Jesse Boots,

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Speaker 1: and you might remember him from episode number two hundred.

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Speaker 1: This was years ago now, in which we had a

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Speaker 1: panel of some of the very best d I Y

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Speaker 1: deer hunters on the podcast answer a series of frequently

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Speaker 1: asked questions and Jesse was one of those guests. And

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Speaker 1: after speaking with him, I realized that there was just

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Speaker 1: a lot more we needed to cover. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: dive deep into what he was really focused on. He

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Speaker 1: is just a very, very successful d I y bow hunter,

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Speaker 1: and he's done it in a lot of different places.

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Speaker 1: He's done in the East Coast, He's done in the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: out on the plains, in the Rocky Mountain West, all

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Speaker 1: over the place. So today I wanted to dive deep

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Speaker 1: into how he targets big Old Bucks and how those

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Speaker 1: really interesting conversation. He's got a lot to share. But

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Speaker 1: before we get into that, I do want to just

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Speaker 1: take a second to kind of, I guess properly set

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Speaker 1: expectations here or kind of lay just a foundational thing

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Speaker 1: to just keep in mind throughout this conversation, because in

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Speaker 1: this chat, you're gonna hear that Jesse is really very

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Speaker 1: focused on chasing big Bucks. That's what Jesse's personal goals

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Speaker 1: revolve around, and many other hunters too. But I do

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Speaker 1: just want to make it clear that it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: some of you are out there wanting to kill a

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Speaker 1: big buck. Some of you want to kill an old buck.

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Speaker 1: Some of you want to kill any buck, and others

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Speaker 1: are just trying to get your first dear at all,

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Speaker 1: any dear. And I want to say at the outset

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Speaker 1: that you know, every one of those goals is good

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Speaker 1: and admirable and and and they're each awesome. We need

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Speaker 1: to hunt for our own reasons and with our own

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Speaker 1: Jesse or anyone else out there you've ever heard in

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Speaker 1: any of those folks make you feel like you need

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Speaker 1: to do something like what they're doing. We each need

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Speaker 1: to hunt our own hunt. You know, this has been

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Speaker 1: But it was interesting. I shared this on social media

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Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'm the one hunting here.

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Speaker 1: If it's a decision that makes me happy, Why the

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Speaker 1: hell should you care? Why should you be critiquing me

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Speaker 1: That's my I don't know my Thursday morning lecture for you,

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Speaker 1: for having to be here. Hey, I'm really excited to

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Speaker 1: like so much more we could cover. Well, finally we're

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Speaker 1: There's many, many different ways, and oftentimes they're wildly I'm

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Speaker 1: they managed to get it done. But what I think

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Speaker 1: and then also, um, some stuff I read about you

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Speaker 1: why do you like that diverse approach? Yeah, you hit

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Speaker 1: the nail on the head. Uh, you're a pretty adverbant guy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In general to pick up on how, um, so many

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Speaker 1: buck and I knew I needed to stay away from

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00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: him to really pin down where it was going to be.

429
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: And I was so pissed because it was windy, and uh,

430
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, this isn't the middle of nowhere,

431
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: but I don't know where this cardboard box blows into

432
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: this um elfelfa field and I was just like, oh

433
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: my gosh, like this one is like I can't get

434
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: down and move this box because it's getting to be

435
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: prime time and the stupid boxes in the middle of

436
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: the field, and every year that came out of that

437
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: thicket walked to that box and sniffed it and like inspected,

438
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: including the buck I wanted to kill. And I was like,

439
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: you've got You've got to be kidding me. So I

440
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: literally got down and got out of there, you know,

441
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: at dark, and then went back the next day at noon,

442
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: grabbed that box and I got it out of there,

443
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: and I put a white five gallon tail there, so

444
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to change it, and um, I shot that buck,

445
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: you know. And the crazy thing is some dude, um

446
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: Zeke Feiffer or something. I think that's his name, and

447
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: excuse me for botching his name. Like two years later, yeah, yeah, exactly,

448
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: like two years later wrote an article about putting a

449
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: five gallon tail out and I smiled and thought, that

450
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: kid is so on, that is so spot Um he

451
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: wrote an article like he had to have had the

452
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: same experience that it was a wonderful article. And had

453
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: I not had that experience, I would have been like,

454
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: that's the dumbest Do not do that. Do not put

455
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: a man made oil, you know. I literally put a

456
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: fifteen forty reteller t that I filled my deson up

457
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: with oil barrel out there, and every year came to

458
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: it and was curious with it. And I didn't shoot

459
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: that deer like he wasn't like on it on it,

460
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: but he went around it, which pushed him closer to me.

461
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: I smoked him. It's just those odd things that you

462
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: you have to be observant and when you notice something.

463
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people, including myself, would be

464
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: pissed about that cardboard box. Instead I was pissed about it,

465
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: but I observed that, hey, this is a cause and

466
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: effect of this, and maybe I can use this by

467
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: a technique I used very often. I don't really hunt

468
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: elsa fields, um so, but it worked. It was just

469
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 1: amazing for that. So well, it's interesting, you know, as

470
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: you're as you're talking through all this, it makes me

471
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: think of one of the kind of things I preach

472
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: all the time, which is just go and put yourself

473
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: in new experiences. Like there's almost no easier way to

474
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: become a better hunter than to just force yourself out

475
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone. I mean, so many people I

476
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: think get stuck in like I always hunt this farm

477
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: every year. Is where I hunt in my home state,

478
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: is where I live. Um it's my spot. That's where

479
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: I hunt. And they just do that year after year

480
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: after year after year, and they wonder why, you know,

481
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: things aren't changing, why they're not having a different level

482
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: of success, why they've stagnated. But I think if you simply,

483
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: without anything else, just force yourself to go new places

484
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: and then based off what you just said, I'll add

485
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: to that hunt with new people, hunt new states and

486
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: new places and go out there with some new people

487
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: ever once in a while, and then do what you

488
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: just said. Listen, actually listen process what they say. That

489
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: right there, I think can just take you leaps and

490
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: bounds because you have to. Then every time you go

491
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: somewhere new, every time you're in that new situation, you're

492
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: forced to play that game of chess in a new way.

493
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: If you're doing it in the same farm every day

494
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: all the time, it's you're not you're not growing. Like

495
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: the only way to and I'm preaching the quiet here,

496
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: I realized, but the only way to get like stronger muscles, right,

497
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: you gotta tear them down a little bit. You have

498
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: to stress them enough to actual muscle fibers start to

499
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: start to break just a little, and then they grow

500
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: back stronger. Like the same thing is the case with

501
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: the hunter. You need to stress yourself, put yourself a

502
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: new challenging situations might break you down at first, but

503
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: then you figure it out and you become better. I mean,

504
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: that's basically what we're saying right that. I'm You're like,

505
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: that's a you're an impressive dude to pick up on that.

506
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: That is hundred and like to keep. My whole life changed.

507
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: When I was like twenty, I was a killer, just

508
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: a flat out killer, not a big buck killer. Just

509
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: a killer. Like we were poor, we needed meat. Like

510
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I just killed everything in my pay if I had

511
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: a tag, things were getting killed. But I wanted to

512
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: kill big deer like I was good at shooting. Just

513
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: just getting things killed. That that's it. I was not

514
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: a big buck killer. And when I was about twenty,

515
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: it was just frustrating because I would find big buck sign.

516
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: I would you know, bump big deer. I knew there

517
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: was a big deer in the area, and there was

518
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: a tree I can walk I know right the tree

519
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I was sitting in. And I was sitting in this

520
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: tree you one day. It was a beautiful fall day,

521
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: and exactly what you just said was happening to me.

522
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: I was sitting on my spot that my father had

523
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: showed me where the hunt. He had showed me how

524
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: we walk in, where to sit. I was doing the

525
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: same rigamarole. And I was thinking to myself, Man, I

526
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: am doing everything how everyone is telling me to do it.

527
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm doing exactly what my dad said. I'm

528
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: doing exactly what John says, I'm doing exactly what Tom says,

529
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: like and I am just getting like average results. And

530
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: then I thought I literally luckily for me, which sounds bad.

531
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: I had a falling out with my dad, like literally

532
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: then like that's when we kind of parted ways, and

533
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: I started to question everything my father had ever, uh

534
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, told me about you know, ever taught me.

535
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: Not that he was a bad guy or anything, but

536
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I just questioned everything. And I remember sitting there thinking like,

537
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: you know what, my dad is not a very good hunter.

538
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: He's a gun hunter. He's killed one deer with a

539
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: bow and arrow, Like, why am I taking advice from

540
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: this guy? And then I thought John is not a

541
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: very good hunter. He's a gun hunter. Like I started

542
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: thinking like all these guys that are giving me all

543
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: this advice, like I'm not protecting anything myself. I'm just

544
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: doing what people tell me to do. It. I sat

545
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: in this tree and I literally thought, like I bumped

546
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: the deer every time here. I know they're a deer here,

547
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Why am I bumping them? And then it's like it's

548
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: a morning hunt. Why did I just walk through that

549
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: whole field that they're eating in to get in here,

550
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: and my my wind is blowing into the bedding grounds.

551
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there and I thought this is stupid,

552
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: and I had I was in a junk climber. I

553
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: climbed down the tree, put it on my bat. It

554
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: was prime time, and I thought, I've already ruined this

555
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: fro getting out of here. And I walked out of there.

556
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: And this was before the internet, and I literally drew

557
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: a map in my mind of what that woods and

558
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: what that. I still have the map what that looked like,

559
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: and drew in the fields and then figured out that

560
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: I needed to attack this obviously from the down wind side.

561
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: I was attacking with the wind in my back. So

562
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: I went in that night and I sat in a

563
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: hedgerow and just glass in a place I've never sat,

564
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe the deer that trickled out of

565
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: the stickt and why they trickled out everywhere except for

566
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: the spot I was this morning that morning. So I

567
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: reevaluated that and attacked that wood the next day from

568
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: the down wind side. And I only went in just

569
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: a little bit, and uh, the deer I saw, I mean,

570
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: I then I was in the deer that had no

571
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: idea I was there. And I could tell these deer

572
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: were a little spooky. They were looking up to where

573
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: I had always sat. I was only a hundred yards

574
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: difference in this wood, but um they knew. They were

575
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: actually hugging the down wind side of the woods to

576
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: check and see if I was there, and right down

577
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I got it, Like I'm this is

578
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I learned something. I now I'm a student and I

579
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: was so excited to have figured this out on my own.

580
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: And I literally said to myself, I'm throwing like I

581
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: am deleting my memory of anything anyone has ever told me.

582
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: And I am only going to put into play things

583
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: that I know are facts. And right now I know

584
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: the way that I attack the woods entrance and escape

585
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: is very important because I just learned this today. You

586
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: know when I shot my first, Um, I shot out

587
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: my first pope and young buck that year, and I

588
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: shot a pope and young buck in my home state

589
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: every year since that except or last year. Is the

590
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: first year in my life I didn't shoot a a

591
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: deer in this state just from laziness. But I mean,

592
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: it just turns down to if you, if you, you

593
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: gotta think for yourself. So anything I say on this

594
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: podcast today, you know, take it with a grain of salt.

595
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Think about what I say, but don't take it for gold.

596
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: You know, don't don't think like, oh, he said this,

597
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: I gotta do that. You gotta put it into play,

598
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: and you gotta think about like is this going to

599
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: work in my block? Can I attack this from the

600
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: down wind? Um? Can I get away with attacking from

601
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: the upland or you know, you gotta put these own

602
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: things in the play. And once I started doing that,

603
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: I really like, I really don't watch TV show, Like

604
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't watch any hunting shows. They you know, I've

605
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed them, Um, I've probably watched them fifteen years ago.

606
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: And then it was like, this is just hindering me,

607
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: Like this doesn't even do any good. I wouldn't tell

608
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: anybody like don't watch those. But anything I've learned is

609
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: literally from actual experience or from other people's you know,

610
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: friends that are killers, um, And they said, you know,

611
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: they've given me pointers about things that have worked for them,

612
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: and I've I've put it into play, and it's like

613
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff people have told me it's

614
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: like I disagree with Like it's like, no, I'm not,

615
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: it's not it does not work. But um, other people

616
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: who have told me stuff and it's like this sounds

617
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: absurd and and it's um it works for their area.

618
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: My body, Matt palm kust won't go ahead. I would

619
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: like to hear what you're inst about, Matt. Ll So, Matt, Um,

620
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I drew a mule deer tag one time and I was,

621
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, my goal was it was a big news

622
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: to me, is a big mule. You know, I don't

623
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: come from the older country. And you know, Matt's extremely

624
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: tom cool and he's like yeah, you know, and he

625
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be like, you know, hunt

626
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: here here, you know, I just um, I'm just going hunt.

627
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: And I love that and he's great and the fact

628
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: that you know, he'll tell me what kind of terrain

629
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: to look for whatever. And anyways, I found a couple

630
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: of gagger bucks. You know, two of them were they

631
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: were big. I mean two of them were had to

632
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: have grossed over two hundred. So I was pretty tickled.

633
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: The problem for me was, um, they were on and

634
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: off um public you know, walk in hunting area. But anyways,

635
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: this one evening in particular, I glassed this buck up

636
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: that I was looking for, and he was finally on

637
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: this public but it was literally like a quarter section

638
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: which is a hundred what is it a hundred six acres,

639
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: which seems like a ton, but that is not much.

640
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 1: That's like a little tiny. It's nothing like they are

641
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: on and off the quarter section and sack and and

642
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: this buck was in the middle, and it's all like crp,

643
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: that's that's up to your chest. And I had a

644
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: flip phone and I called Matt and like, dude, this

645
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: book is and he was hugh he did with a

646
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: big buck. I'm like, dude, this buck is in the

647
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: middle of this field. I'm like I'm losing light. I'm like, man,

648
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I go you know, I was just kind of taking

649
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: his brain, like I don't even know what to do.

650
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: And Maths like do they have a dough with him?

651
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I think he does. Like he

652
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: hasn't left a spot, and Math's like, man, you don't

653
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: have much light. He's like, um, I'm like I have

654
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: no cover. He's like just literally he goes just run

655
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: right at him. He goes try and hold your bowl

656
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: up or something like its antlers. He's like, just run

657
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: at him. He's like he if he sees you, he's

658
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna get on alert. But if that dough doesn't see you,

659
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: if she stays there, he's staying. He's like, literally run

660
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: up to that here and shoot him. And his advice

661
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: was something, you know, something to that effect. And I

662
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I cannot. I cannot run up to

663
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: this deer and shoot him. And he's like, all right, well,

664
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: he's like that's what I would do. He's like, that's

665
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: first of all. He's like, you don't have much choice.

666
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: And definitely, I'm pretty sure that buck is going to

667
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: stay there. And I'm like, all right, I'm going for it.

668
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Through it. You're right. I mean, he's not coming back

669
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: on this public land anytime soon, I don't think. And uh,

670
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: I put my boat, you know. I put my phone

671
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: down and grabbed my boat and just sprinted and I closed,

672
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, I closed a lot of distance fast and

673
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: just ran it this dear and I got within sixty

674
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: yards of him, and I literally just ran out of

675
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: light and didn't have it. I was going up this

676
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: hill on him and just didn't have enough elevation. But

677
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that Buck stood there. I could have shot him in

678
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: the back, you know, but I couldn't get an arrow

679
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: into his vitals. If I had, you know, probably a recurve,

680
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: I could have locked an arcing shot. But the point

681
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: is like I would have never done that, Like, there's

682
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: no way I would have gotten within sixty years yards

683
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: of that dear Um. But his experience in his terrain

684
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: and his type of ground, um, and in that exact

685
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: setting that worked, and like in in I would I

686
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: don't know figure that out. So that kid really advanced

687
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: me um a lot, just with that tip, you know.

688
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: And and then you throw in his tip and and

689
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Travis's tip and Garrett Rose tip of using that decoy,

690
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, those guys advanced me just with

691
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: those two tips, using that decoy. And how do you

692
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: use it? Um? It would take a fellow five or

693
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: six years of just stumbling, just accidentally learning this. So

694
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: when you can pick up those tips from killers like

695
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: those guys, I mean, they saved me, you know, they

696
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: put me on a different level fast and um being

697
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: open to their ideas. Uh, it just it makes it deadly. Yeah,

698
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: And and it sounds like again it's it's finding the

699
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: right things that work for specific places. So so those

700
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: tactics worked really great in that wide open country, it

701
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't work in New York. Let's take like an example period.

702
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your perspective on how to hunt

703
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: a certain time frame and then how that would be

704
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: different in New York versus Ohio, versus Kansas or something

705
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: like that. Um So I remember hearing you talk about

706
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we talked about this or if

707
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: this was something you told Andy Andy told me. Um,

708
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: but the fact that you really like, especially in New

709
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: York hunting kind of early early or into the October lull,

710
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: like that time period, you really focus on trying to

711
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: get it done in New York and then you travel

712
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: elsewhere across the state. Um So when this podcast airs,

713
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: it's going to be right about middle of October, right

714
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: in that ballpark. So people right now are thinking, how

715
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: do I get on a buck between like the tenth

716
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: and the twentie or something like that. So when you're

717
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: thinking of that time frame for you, UM, maybe let's

718
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: first talk New York because it sounds like you're focused

719
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: in New York quite a bit at that time. How

720
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: are you approaching your hunt's trying to get a big

721
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: mature buck on the ground at that time of year. Yeah. So, Um,

722
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't I don't believe in October

723
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: law at all. Like, it's not these deer do not.

724
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: These deer are eating, walking, pooping. There's no laws. Uh,

725
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: there's a ton of crops up and the weather is changing,

726
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the crops are changing. That's there is no law. I've

727
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: got so many great deer in the law that people

728
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: talk about. It's a lull of of knowledge, is all

729
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: it is. Deer are still living in the woods. They're

730
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: still there. You know, there's thousands of acres of corn up,

731
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, all they can't find them. Yeah, it's because

732
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: all the soybeans went from green to brown. They're not

733
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: eating soybeans now. They're you know, they're eating the corn

734
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: all day and they're they're in the lf delfa at night.

735
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: You know. There there is no law. But so when

736
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: I attack, and I think I have a an extreme

737
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: advantage over a lot of guys in big buck states,

738
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: and the fact that I don't live in a big

739
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: buck state. Um, I live in a state that could

740
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: be a mega state if our politics were different. But um,

741
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: I live in a state that if you work hard,

742
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: you can kill a hundred deer. Um, your average guy

743
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: here is probably thrilled to kill like a hundred hundred

744
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: and tennant deers. So it's a big advantage for me

745
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: and the fact that I don't get stressed out over um,

746
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: there's not a hundred deer, Like I've got to get

747
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: this deer killed before I go Ohio or Kansas the Illinois.

748
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: I literally will you know, I find a hundred thirty

749
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: deer and it's like, yeah, that's good enough. I'm killing

750
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: them because it's only gonna get so big here, Like

751
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, it's fine to leave where my

752
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: friends at Ohio and Kansas in Illinois, I mean they're

753
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: literally they're like, yeah, I got a hundred seventy in

754
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 1: in this blockwoods and you know, there's a one ninety

755
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: six over here, and I mean, these poor guys they

756
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere because how can you leave that? But

757
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: that's a big advantage. It's a big advantage for me.

758
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: It was like it doesn't matter, Um, I personally think

759
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: everybody should kill like if I'm a white tailer, I mean,

760
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: I love the elk and mulet these but um, I

761
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: mean a white tails are really what I know, and

762
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: it's you should really kill a big white tail in

763
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: your home states. It's it's really easy if you sit

764
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: down and figure out you know, the certain there's certain

765
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: etiquette that you have to have. UM in my style

766
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: where I live. UM, I personally think it's easy if

767
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: you talk to other people and I think it's difficult.

768
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: But we have a very big where I live. It's

769
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: it's all agriculture, UM, big crop fields where you know

770
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: your average field is probably uh hundred fifty acres and

771
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: then your average woods is trobe of like fifty to

772
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: seventy acres. UM. Would that be insaide? In my opinion,

773
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: it's great because it's it's so easy. You can pick

774
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: these deer up all summer. UM, you can glass them.

775
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: You can find big deer if you're just smart about it.

776
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: You've you've got to scout them. UM. And scouting, in

777
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, is not walking through the woods, you know,

778
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: looking for deer tracks. All you're doing is screwing everything up,

779
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: Like stay out of the woods, use good optics, get

780
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: a I thought, get a good head, get a good paramunoculars.

781
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: They don't have to be super expensive. But the more

782
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: money you can spend on optics, you'll have them forever

783
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and they'll be good. Um, find whatever your piece of

784
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: ground is. And like what you were saying earlier, if

785
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: you're hunting Grandma's and you've been hunting it forever, yes,

786
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: that's nice that you have that, but Uncle Tom still

787
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: hunts it, and your dad hunts it, and your cousin

788
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: Tony hunts it. Like they shoot everything that moves, there's

789
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: probably not big deer there. So if you really want

790
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: to kill big deer, you have to hunt where big

791
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: deer are. Um. If you're not seeing big deer on

792
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: grandma Grandpa's like leaves, go somewhere else and start finding

793
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: big deer. Um to get permission on places and scout

794
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: the scout daylights out of them. Uh. And that's that's

795
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: all I do. I mean, it's really my style has changed.

796
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: When I was twenty years old or one, it was

797
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: almost obscene how much all I did was worked and

798
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: scout for deer, and at dark I took girls out.

799
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: That was it. Like, that's that's all my life. Yeah,

800
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: it's a great I lived an amazing life. Um, And

801
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: if you're serious, and once like I think in my mindset,

802
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: like I I I, everything is black and white for me.

803
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: There isn't much gray area in life. And if I

804
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: do something that I'm either all in or I have

805
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: no interest in it. And hunting has been that way

806
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: for me. And um, I really went went from a knucklehead,

807
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: like just an average blowhard that you know it was

808
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: happy to even get a shot at a ninety here too.

809
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, two years later I wouldn't shoot anything under

810
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: one thirty, which on our state is like you know,

811
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: that's like the equipment a shooting at one sixty or

812
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: one seventy and Kansas and that that came from knowledge

813
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: and when I when I realized, you know, how to

814
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: attack things and this and that I realized like, man,

815
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing something already that people aren't doing. And then

816
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: when I started scouting, and I started realizing, like man,

817
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: I saw more good dear that first year I actually

818
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: scouted than I had ever seen in a lifetime. And

819
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: you hear these people talk like, oh, these dear ghosts.

820
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: No they're not. They're not ghosts. They're literally, and in

821
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: a respectful way, they're dumb animals like human beings are

822
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: smart we are smart. Animals are dumb, So like, mentally,

823
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: get that, uh, get that out of your head that

824
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: they're going to outsmart you. Deer have wonderful senses. They

825
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: have great vision, they have great hearing, and they have

826
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: great noses. Like, don't don't give them a reason to

827
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: smell you, see you, or hear you. They're not gonna

828
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: outthink you. They're literally getting hit in the road. They're

829
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: not smart. So once I realized like that that they're

830
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: very habitual, um, I learned their habits, and then I

831
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: learned how to keep myself out of their instincts. And

832
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty easy. Um So in my home state,

833
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: that's how I do it. I glass them up and

834
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I try and find like three or

835
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: four good areas that I can hunt. Um. When I

836
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: was a kid, I would literally leave every morning at

837
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: sun up if I was at work. I worked hard

838
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: so that my bosses could not complain when I was like,

839
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go look for deer for a half an hour.

840
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: I know not everybody could do that, but I literally

841
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: was a maniac when I'm working, so that they were

842
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: so happy with me that they couldn't fire me. And

843
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: I would go look for deer at sun up and

844
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: glass and then I would go back to work and

845
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: work like a maniac and then get out of work.

846
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: And if we went to a graduation party or a

847
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: wedding in the evening, when it came prying time, I

848
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: would literally be like, Hey, I gotta go. I am

849
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: gonna go look for deer. I'm gonna go look for

850
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: deer for this last forty five minutes. And I know

851
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: that my wife was is wonderful and she'd just be like, yep,

852
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: you know whatever, this is what he does. And a

853
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: lot of times I would just slip away from the

854
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: wedding go look for big deer, even if it was

855
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: two hours from my house. It's like, man, there might

856
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: be a big deer here. And that's the mindset, Like

857
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: if you're not that little, you know that first half

858
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: hour a light, in that last half hour at light,

859
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's when you're getting most of your information.

860
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: If you don't have a lot of time to scout

861
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: and stuff, just you have to make time. You know.

862
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of like exercising people. You can teach people

863
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: like oh you if you do this this and this

864
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: and eat this, you know you're gonna be in great shape. Yeah, well,

865
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: people still have to do it, like you have to

866
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: actually do that. And it's the same with with scouting

867
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: and killing big deer. You know, you can, you have

868
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: you can tell people all the information they want, but

869
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: they have you actually have to apply it. And one

870
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: of the things with scouting and killing big deer, if

871
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill big deer, you have to you have

872
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: to hunt where big deer are. And the hunt with

873
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: where big deer are, you have to learn where big

874
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: deer are, and you got to scout them. So you

875
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: got to put in the legwork and scout and not

876
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: just sticking cameras all over the place, like actually go

877
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: out and visually see them and know that, Okay, he

878
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: stepped out of here, he stepped out on this edge.

879
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: The wind is doing this. Ah, this is why he

880
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: came from there. And oh, you know what, he keeps

881
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: looking behind him. Why is he looking behind him? You know,

882
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go, man, This one buck keeps looking

883
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: behind him in the woods. Sit there and after sunset

884
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: you see a gagger step out, and it's like, that's

885
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: why he kept looking behind him. And even though you

886
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: know so I mean, it's those little things. It's like

887
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: you got to put in that effort. And um, you

888
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: know I get luck all the time. People always like, oh,

889
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: you're so lucky, and it's like, I'm irish, but I

890
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: don't believe in law. This isn't this a luck. This

891
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: is a little bit of thought process and a little

892
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: bit of effort and then a little bit of execution.

893
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm just putting the pieces together. And you know,

894
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: I look at my circle of friends and if you

895
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: like you, I'm sure if you look at my phone

896
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: for the last month with a dead elk that are

897
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: laying on the ground, it's unbelievable. And now and you know,

898
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: come white tail season, Uh, it's gonna be my phone

899
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: just blows up. And when I really think about the

900
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: guys that I converse with, um, we all think differently

901
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: but exactly the same. I know that's odd, but like

902
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: they have the exact same mindset and we can they

903
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: really have it, and and the not of nobody's a

904
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: trade of work. Like none of these guys are lazy.

905
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: They're all putting in that little bit of effort. And

906
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, you can kill a good deer every three

907
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: or four years anybody can do that, but I mean

908
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: I struggle to not. I don't know which one I'm

909
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill, you know, And those guys are the same way, like, well,

910
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't want to kill this and I

911
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: don't want to kill that one. And um, that's the

912
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: problem you have when you when you actually figure things out.

913
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: It's like I just passed up a hundred deer in

914
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: New York. I mean, that's stupid. I shouldn't have done that.

915
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: But that's there's a good problem to have, you know.

916
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's get two brass tacks. Then let's continue down

917
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: with this example. So, so it's mid October and you're

918
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: getting out every night you can if you're not hunting,

919
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: and your glass and you're scouting. You did that in

920
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: the summer. Now it sounds like you're still going to

921
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: do that at times during the season. Let's say you

922
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: spot a gagger, you spot the buck you want to shoot.

923
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: He steps out into a field some kind of food source,

924
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: and you spot him last life. So now I want

925
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: to know what's going through your head, and then what's

926
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: your stunt? Like, how did do you just go right

927
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: and set up right where you saw him step out,

928
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about? And then and then what

929
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: happens if he doesn't show up that night? What do

930
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: you do the second day? And it's interesting as I'm

931
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: reading this out, as saying this to you, this is

932
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: exactly this scenario that happened to me over the last

933
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: three days, Like exactly on October one, I glassed an

934
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: area I saw the buck I wanted to get a

935
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: shot at. He came out the next day. I moved

936
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: in and tried to hunt where I saw him the

937
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: second day. Because I didn't see him that night, I

938
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: went back in for one more hunt in that spot,

939
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: and I thought, with the wind direction we had, it

940
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: would actually be better for him, a little bit riskier

941
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: for me. But I decided, you know what, that might

942
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: actually be what he needs to to come back out again,

943
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: because this is a closer wind to what he moved

944
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: on when I saw him two days ago. So I

945
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: tried one more hunt. It didn't work out. Now it's today.

946
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm making a new decision. I'm changing things up

947
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: and take one more stab at him, but in a

948
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: different kind of way. Um, I'm curious, though, what what's

949
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: your mindset? How do you approach that you spot a

950
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: big buck. Now what do you do over the next

951
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: couple of days to try to move in on him? Right?

952
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: So you know, again, if that's in my home state,

953
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to be hunting a piece of ground

954
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: that I know extremely well. That that I know, um,

955
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: how they travel in that woods and and where they

956
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: bed and all that. And if you have that knowledge,

957
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: now you're one step up. Uh And and truthfully, I

958
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: I really I like to kill my dear and for

959
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: a year, for other than before I had kids, I

960
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: killed them all, like my New York dear, Like the

961
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: first day or two, that's when you need to kill

962
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: deer because everybody else isn't in the woods screwing it up.

963
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: But say it's it's this time. We're in your scenario,

964
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: in your situation, and you see a good buck. There's

965
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: a reason he's there. Um. And I would also take

966
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: into account what other deer are with him, and if

967
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: I've seen him with those other deer, if he's still

968
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: running in a bit of a bachelor group, if he

969
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: singled himself off, I mean, if he's in a bachelor group,

970
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: and you you know, just for instance, um, I kill

971
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: a real wide buck, you're I don't know ten or

972
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and uh, he was with two deer

973
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: two bucks all the time, like these same two bucks.

974
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: And then these two bucks would show up. Um it

975
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: was almost like he used them as a guard. Like

976
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: these two little thing bets would just go everywhere, and

977
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: I pretty much patterned to those deer. He would always

978
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: show up behind him. It might be ten that's behind them,

979
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: but he would be there. And I killed this deer.

980
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: He actually came out into a bit of a it's

981
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: just a grown up field and it's like a CRP field.

982
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: And I saw these two small bucks and anyways, that

983
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: buck staged up and he never moved from that corner.

984
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: But I only I was in a sputting observation stand

985
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying to kill anything. And I saw

986
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: those little bucks, and I paid attention to what those

987
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: little deer did. And those little deer did everything that

988
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the deer do when they go the

989
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: way they went, So I knew where they were gonna

990
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: go gonna go and where they were gonna feed. And

991
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: there was there was a steel that's a different piece

992
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: of property, and I thought they're gonna go over into

993
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: these these um sleybeans and probably eat soybeans in this

994
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: hidden field and uh in the dark. And then they're

995
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: either going to bed in that woods across the street,

996
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: which they tend to. Um. So I kind of watched

997
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: what those other deer were doing, and whatever the two

998
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: smallest bucks did, I figured that buck is gonna follow suit.

999
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: And I killed him the following morning because they did

1000
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: just that. I figured they're either going to bed across

1001
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: that road, which he did. Um, they went over and

1002
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: eight sleybeans, and I went out and glass them. Um

1003
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: literally a sun up, I'm glassing these deer. They're coming

1004
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: down this little draw. But anyways, glassed them and I

1005
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: knew what stand to get in and I spooked deer

1006
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: that were in the woods, but I didn't spook the

1007
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: deer that I wanted to kill. Um. And so in

1008
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: that circumstance, it's kind of a tough one. But paying

1009
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: attention to all not just that deer, but like the

1010
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: cause and effect and where he might go as there

1011
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: other food sources. Is he going to stay here? Now

1012
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: there's another geer I killed one time. Um, he was

1013
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: your typical like h like an old man, like you know,

1014
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: he's like all of us. He's like, I'm getting like,

1015
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: I like people and stuff, but I would just as

1016
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: soon stay at home on a Friday night and have

1017
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: four or five beers by myself. And you know, like, no,

1018
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the bars, and I

1019
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: don't want to be around a ton of people. If

1020
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: I do, it's like a small group. And I think

1021
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: Big Bucks of that way. Um, you don't want to

1022
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: dick They don't want to dick around with all these

1023
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: little morons. They literally want to push them away and

1024
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: were they just want to walk alone. They want to

1025
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: go to their own spot. And when I see a

1026
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: big Buck that is private. Man, he's killable. Like I

1027
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: like that, Um, because there's less you know, where all

1028
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: the other deer are gonna go. He's not gonna go there,

1029
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: and you can kind of figure out where the next

1030
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: best spot is. So um, you know, there's so much

1031
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: that that comes into play. I think I should just

1032
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: come out there and get a Michigan tag and try

1033
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: and kill this thing for you. He's point, we'll do

1034
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: it together. I'm gonna try to get done tonights before

1035
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: you can get out here. But if not, I'll give

1036
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: you a yeah, Well we'll we'll we'll both shoot on three, right,

1037
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: and you just shoot on two. You But but yeah,

1038
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: so you know, you'd have to have some history with

1039
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: a deer to really be able to know him that.

1040
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a deer. You know. If I'm

1041
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: chasing a deer in my home state, um, I probably

1042
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: know him really well. Like I'm already gonna know. Like

1043
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: if he's in this field and he's gonna be here

1044
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: at dark and he hasn't moved off this field that dark,

1045
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: he's probably happy here and he's gonna he's gotta bed here.

1046
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna bed in this field, eat all night, and

1047
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: get up and walk into this little thicket. But if

1048
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: at sun uh, if that, you know, half an hour

1049
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: before dark, he's already out of that field in two

1050
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: fields over, I mean, good, who knows where he's gonna be.

1051
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: You gotta figure out, um, you know, you gotta figure

1052
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: out where he's gonna bed over there is he gonna

1053
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: come back? But if he's hanging out in that in

1054
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: that pocket, he might be there in the night. I

1055
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: would hunt a good you know, I would figure out

1056
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: how going in that woods in the morning. But that

1057
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: would come down to having really intimate knowledge, um all

1058
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: of that. I think it's harder to kill one on

1059
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: a morning front when you have seen him in the evening,

1060
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: because now he's got ten twelve hours to cover ground

1061
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: and dick around, who knows where he's gonna be. But

1062
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: when you can put one to bed and you watch

1063
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: him walk into a thicket, that's when you can really

1064
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: cheat in on them. And that's when you have to

1065
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: know the bedding grounds, know the other gear nowhere, everything beds,

1066
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: and that's when you gotta be risky and and take chances.

1067
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: And uh um, that's I love killing him that way,

1068
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, putting them the bag and then' and I'll

1069
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: literally call my wife and like I cannot get the

1070
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: kids off the school bus. I just the buck I'm after. Literally,

1071
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: I glass him this morning. He's in he's in the

1072
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: pines and when he comes out of there, the wind

1073
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: is going to be a southwest wind and I'm going

1074
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: to drill him right here. I'm killing this deer to night.

1075
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: I would say it's like chance. I like, my knaves

1076
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: are sharp, the urn owners hooked up on like silling

1077
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: this deer and uh and she she'll be like, yeah,

1078
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna kill that tonight. But I don't

1079
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: say that very often. I mean, normally I don't go

1080
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: for the throats. But if you have that scenario and

1081
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: you bet him up, that's the way to kill him.

1082
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: So if I were you, I would really try and

1083
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: pinwheel where he is um and sit tight on him

1084
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: and then slip in and and cut his throat on

1085
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: an evening hunt, because they get him to follow him

1086
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: up on a morning is tough. They just they can

1087
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: cover so much ground. Yeah, and unfortunately in this case,

1088
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: I do know the deer pretty well. I watched him

1089
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: a lot last year, passed on him last year. I've

1090
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: got a pretty darn good idea of the general zone

1091
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: he's betting in most of the time. Um, So tonight

1092
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing in the first two nights because

1093
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: I saw him moving daylight out to this food source

1094
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: that I originally didn't think he would come out too.

1095
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: But I saw him. I was like, I'll take a

1096
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: couple of easy shots. It's low impact starting the outside,

1097
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: and now today I'm gonna push in deeper and go

1098
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: inside closer to where I think he he will be betted.

1099
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it goes. Um. We have to.

1100
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: That's cool, that's smart. I always tell people cheat their

1101
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: way in and some guys don't get it. But um,

1102
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: when you when I try not to break up a

1103
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, go into a woods very much. I'm really

1104
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: trying to hunt on the property of them. But when

1105
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: you do, a lot of times I'll go ten feet

1106
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: into it woods, like when I'm when I'm trying to

1107
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: sneak in on one like that unless I really know

1108
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: it well, but especially on morning hunt, like I just

1109
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: tiptoe into the woods ten feet hanging stand um, and

1110
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: then if I'm not seeing what I want to, I'll

1111
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: go thirty more yards in. And that's smart. Like I

1112
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work, and a lot of guys

1113
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. They want to and they

1114
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: want to chomp in there and be heard of it.

1115
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: But you know, the more information you get on that deer,

1116
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: that's that's what what's gonna kill him. Yeah, Now, how

1117
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: would this be or would this be any different if

1118
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: you were hunting in Ohio or Kansas, um or how

1119
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: how would your state your strategy start differing when you

1120
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: went to one of these different states. As we're you know,

1121
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: somewhere in October yeah. So, um, when you're hunting your

1122
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: home state, you know the ground extremely well and you

1123
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: know who Kennan can't be on the ground, or you know,

1124
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: you know like okay, man, I gotta go for a

1125
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: throat because everybody's in here, or hey, this is a

1126
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: little pocket that I know, nobody's hunting here. I got time.

1127
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: When you go out of state, um, I I pretty

1128
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: much just walk in or public land. UM. I do

1129
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,479
Speaker 1: have a couple of places over the years I've gotten,

1130
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: especially in Kansas, that are just that are great private pieces. Um.

1131
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: But they pretty much almost give anybody permission anything. But

1132
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's a different there's a different aggressiveness that

1133
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: I admittedly turned on when UM I hunt out of state,

1134
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: and UM, I wouldn't call it a desperation, but my

1135
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: hunting style has really changed. I think everybody changes, and

1136
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: I should probably touch based on that. When you were

1137
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: talking about scouting, Like when I was a kid, I

1138
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: scouted like a maniac, and really for the past fifteen years,

1139
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: I've scouted really hard. I'll know where there's six or

1140
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: seven shooters. Um. Now they have kids in in a

1141
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: business and soccer practices of the kids and all this stuff.

1142
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: Like that's out the window. I really mean, I do

1143
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: not scout like a meniac anymore. But I don't have to.

1144
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: I know I know where a good deer is going

1145
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: to be, and I know that all I gotta do

1146
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: is glass them up, and I know the ground, like

1147
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: I know how I'm going to kill him. Really not

1148
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: that hard here to get them killed anymore. I've gotten

1149
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: extremely aggressive. I used to wait and be patient. I'm

1150
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna try and get this dear. I hope he comes here,

1151
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: and you know this is a good area I'm gonna

1152
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: I used to just kill him a patients and now

1153
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm literally like, yeah, I can't let it. I can't.

1154
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, today's face Friday. I can't hut again until Wednesday.

1155
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: Like if I think that deer is somewhere, I'm gonna

1156
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: kill him. And I have a great confidence in the

1157
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: fact that now I'm either going to kill him or

1158
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: oh well, I blew them out of here. I have

1159
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how many raps, I mean, they're I

1160
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: have antlers every I have tons of good kills into

1161
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: my belt, so if I blow one out of there,

1162
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't really care, Whereas I would almost make myself

1163
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: throw up if I if I blew a big buck out.

1164
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: So I really think hunting with that mindset like not caring,

1165
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: Like I like not that I don't care, but it's

1166
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be the end of my life. This is

1167
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: not going to be a big blemish in my hunting career.

1168
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: If I bump this bucker or if he runs over

1169
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: and somebody else kills him, it doesn't hurt me anymore.

1170
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: It's no big deal. And all that's done has made

1171
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: me even more deadly because now I'm like, yep, I

1172
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: don't care if this I got a good feeling about it.

1173
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm going after this dear. He's in trouble. And when

1174
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: you go into it with that attitude, it's kind of

1175
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: like truthully, it's like killing deer or anything in life

1176
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: that it's kind of like dating girls. One time I

1177
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: was at a bar when I wasn't illegal to drink,

1178
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: and these two beautiful girls came in and all the

1179
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: guys in the bar, my buddies, like, man, we're like

1180
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: a nobody went and talk to them, and I made

1181
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: a joke. I'm like, I'm gonna go just flirt them

1182
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: up and tell him I'm gorgeous. And I just want

1183
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: to flirted with these girls and talk to him. And

1184
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was way over my head with these

1185
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: two beautiful women. I think I was like eighteen, I

1186
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't even been in a bar, and nobody talks to

1187
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: these girls because they're so hot. You know. There, I

1188
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: did something that you know, I was aggressive about it.

1189
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: I just learned them to talk to him. And in

1190
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: eighteen I learned like, yeah, nobody's talking to these beautiful women.

1191
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: And truthfully, I've always dated beautiful women because I don't

1192
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: think anybody's talking to him there and people are inconfident

1193
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: to go talk to him. And killing deer is the

1194
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: same way. If I know where there's a big deer,

1195
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: even trouble, I'm gonna go kill them. And and other

1196
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: people tip toe around it or they you know their

1197
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: their tactics are weak and have a good have know

1198
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say to these pretty girls and freaking

1199
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: go for it. And the same thing with a deer.

1200
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: You know what the wind is, and I have some

1201
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: balls and go in there and and uh and get

1202
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: them killed, you know, do it with do it with

1203
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: some uh conviction and some confidence and some some evidence

1204
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: to back up your what you're doing and it works.

1205
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I really thought my hunting career was kind

1206
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: of gonna go downhill because they wasn't spending the time

1207
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: that I used to. Dude, it's easier for me to

1208
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: kill deer now than it ever has been because I

1209
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: just don't care. I mean I do caresh saying that

1210
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: in a sarcastic way, like I don't if I don't

1211
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: kill ader this year, and I don't, I have piles

1212
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: of them, it doesn't matter. I want, Yeah, I want

1213
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: to kill one, but I don't really matter. And that

1214
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: takes the edge off. So so what are the what

1215
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: are the things that you are doing when you say

1216
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't care, so I'm going to

1217
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: be aggressive because you don't have the time, You're gonna

1218
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: just go for it. Like, what's an example of something

1219
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: you're doing now that you would call the aggressive going

1220
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: for the throat kind of move, you know? For I

1221
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: might think in my head, it's like, well, like what

1222
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: I was what I'm doing tonight. I know that I'm

1223
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: gonna I'm pushing in much farther into the property than

1224
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: I usually would early, and I know that the wind direction,

1225
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: like some deer will win me, like it's inevitable some

1226
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: deer gonna win me. But I believe that based off

1227
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: everything I know about this deer, based of all the history,

1228
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a damn good chance that he'll use

1229
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: this wind in a certain way which will put him

1230
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: buy me. And either it's gonna be I'm gonna kill him,

1231
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: or you know, I want to blow some deer and

1232
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe he'll do something different and maybe he'll he'll win

1233
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: me too. But I've got a good feeling I'm going

1234
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: into the kill zone. UM, high risk, high reward kind

1235
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: of situation, Like what are those situations for you? Now

1236
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: you're doing this kind of thing? What does that look like? Yeah,

1237
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: and that's the right add a team to have. UM.

1238
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: I always say like high risk, high reward, and I'm

1239
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: a dent behind that. However, I pad my bets extremely well,

1240
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: Like you know, I will go into a a spot

1241
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: and and say, oh, you know, I mean, you're gonna

1242
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: kill them. But truthfully, I already know so much about

1243
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: this deer and so much about this area, like I'm

1244
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: probably gonna kill him, Like I don't think, you know,

1245
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be cool and say, oh, it doesn't

1246
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: matter I'm gonna you know, high risk, high reward. Um,

1247
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: it is a high risk, but it's extremely well calculated risk.

1248
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't make that risk if the wind was bad,

1249
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, I can't go after the steers tonight.

1250
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Uh And you get that too, and uh, like I

1251
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: don't want to preach to people like, yeah, go in

1252
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: and go after him, Like, if everything's perfect, definitely go

1253
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: in and go after him. Um. You know, when those

1254
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: two girls walk in the bar, if they have two

1255
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: dudes with them, do not go over and say the

1256
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: things that you were going to stay here that wait

1257
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: till the girls are alone and then say it. It's

1258
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: the same thing with the deer. So yeah, I killed them.

1259
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: I killed I had a guy show me a picture

1260
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: of a drop time buck. This was quite a while ago,

1261
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or eight years ago, and I

1262
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 1: had I had glassed the deer. He's a really nice

1263
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: I think he was four and a half, which for

1264
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: us is um, I mean that's a dinosaur around here.

1265
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: People they just don't live to that age. And he

1266
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Speaker 1: was he was actually he was a good deer. Uh.

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: He I wanted him to live another year and he

1268
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: was living in this pocket that not a lot of

1269
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: people had permission on, and um, I was not going

1270
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: to kill him. And this dude shows me the picture

1271
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: of this deer and he has permission on this ground

1272
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh yeah, you know that's great. And

1273
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna kill this year and I thought, man,

1274
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: so it sounds d but it's like, screw it. I'm

1275
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna like is this if this deer shows up where

1276
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I think he is, this kid, this guy's gonna blow

1277
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: him out of this would And of course, so I

1278
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: go and I just laughed. And of course that deer

1279
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: showed up that you know, the finally the first evening,

1280
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: I looked for him because this guy blew him out.

1281
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm gonna put this deer to sleep,

1282
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I watched him that whole evening.

1283
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: In the morning, I went in and put that deer

1284
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: to sleep, just like we were talking. And it's like

1285
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm killing this deer, Like this deer knows that all

1286
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: the pressure everybody came into the woods. It was the

1287
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: opening day. I think I killed him the second day

1288
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: and that was the thing. It's like, I'm killing this

1289
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: deer and I hung a stand for him, which that's

1290
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't like hanging stands, Like, uh, I'm always amazed

1291
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: how guys will hang stands in July, you know, and

1292
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: they're all proud that they got all their stands trimmed

1293
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: and everything. And it's like, okay, that's great for the rut,

1294
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: like if you put it in a gray rut spot.

1295
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: But like they're hanging these off the wall stands, and

1296
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: it's like, man, you guys must know more than me,

1297
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: because it seems like a lot of times like this,

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01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: a block will happen to come out like just out

1299
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: of half it, he'll come out this trail and this,

1300
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, this would be the perfect tree. And so

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01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll hang a stand for a

1302
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: deer and it sucks because you're you're screwing up the

1303
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, you're sweating, you're hanging a stand quick. But

1304
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: if you're efficient about it doesn't have the perfect you

1305
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: don't have any shooting leanes trim but um, that's when

1306
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: you know. That's when you're going for his throat. But

1307
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: I would only do that with that knowledge and information,

1308
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: and I figured, you know what I mean, they're gonna

1309
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: kill this deer um or blow them out of here,

1310
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I I killed him. So that and

1311
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: that was work. That was great, But it also came

1312
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: down I knew the deer, I knew his escape patterns,

1313
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: and I knew where he was living. He was going

1314
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: back between these two woods. And I figured once these

1315
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: guys hit this wood, this guy was hunting him, that

1316
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: buddy of hunting them. I mean, they were all going

1317
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: to try and kill this deer. We all went in

1318
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: there and completely blew this deer out of the woods.

1319
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: And once they did that, they pushed him over to

1320
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: actually they can hunt where I killed them too. But um,

1321
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: they pushed him over there and I killed them. But

1322
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: it came with knowledge. It wasn't like um, you know,

1323
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to stand there. If I wouldn't

1324
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: have taken that risk, I wouldn't have that opportunity. There's

1325
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: there's a there's a million there. There's a million other

1326
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: stories that I went for deer and blew them out.

1327
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: So I don't want you to think that every time

1328
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: I go for him, I get them. But it's I

1329
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: would say, it's really poice seven. At the time of

1330
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 1: the time, if I decide, like I'm I'm I'm gonna

1331
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: go for I'm gonna push the envelope. Um, I'm gonna

1332
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: get this deer. You you get them, but it comes

1333
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: with a calculated risk. There's knowledge behind it. And I'm

1334
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: not just gonna go sit in my lucky stand. And

1335
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: if I don't have a reason, like it's I don't know.

1336
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: Our season has been open. We just stay of the

1337
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: fourth Since our fourth day, I haven't even been hunting yet,

1338
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: um because I haven't found anything worth shooting. I'm not

1339
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: hunting deer or I'm I want to hunt a deer. Um.

1340
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: And when I go sit like, there's if I'm sitting

1341
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: in a tree stands, there's like I'm after something. Otherwise

1342
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting in what I always call observation stands.

1343
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: They're skyscrapers. They're really high, and usually they're in spots

1344
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: that I can see three or four different either fields

1345
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: or travel corridors or something, and I'm, you know, I'm

1346
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: getting education. And then once I realized like, oh man,

1347
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: this is the place, you know, I gotta get in there.

1348
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna bed. Then I slip in and go for those.

1349
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of guys are like that. Like,

1350
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you see that on the TV shows

1351
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: and stuff because they can't do that on the TV

1352
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: show you know there, and they don't have to. They're hunting,

1353
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, mega beautiful river bottoms and stuff. And I

1354
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: hate them that for that, But we don't hate them

1355
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: for that. But if I was a multi millionaire, I

1356
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: would buy Beautiful all my buddies. Yeah, And we always

1357
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: always say that. People will be like, oh, I hate

1358
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: that show is ridiculous, and it's like, yeah, it was ridiculous.

1359
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: But if I was a multi millionaire, I would actually

1360
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: own a beautiful river about But I enjoy watching run

1361
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: past Me. But yeah, but that's why they don't see

1362
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: that on most TV shows. They can't. You can't hunt

1363
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: that way. One of these one of these aggressive moves

1364
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: of sorts. One of the things that I hear from

1365
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: so many of the best deer hunters out there is

1366
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: trying to hunt a buck when he has the wind

1367
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: in his favor to a degree, And we kind of

1368
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: we talked about wind a little bit last time on

1369
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: on our last podcast conversation a couple of years ago.

1370
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: But I want to dive into this just a little

1371
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: bit further because it's something that I'm trying to implement

1372
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: myself more and more. You know, early on, I was

1373
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: always obsessed with the wind, but always obsessed with how

1374
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: do I hunt so that the there's the very least

1375
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: chance of any deer winding me. I need the wind

1376
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: as safe as possible. I was always obsessing over that.

1377
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: But then you start seeing more and more. And this

1378
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: is not a rule, um, but it seems like maybe

1379
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: more often than not, these bucks that get old and

1380
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 1: big are typically smart about how they move around on

1381
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: a landscape, and they like to not again not saying

1382
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: they always do, but it seems like a lot of

1383
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: times they like to have the wind or use the

1384
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: wind in some way. So maybe that means they're moving

1385
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: into the wind or quartering to the wind, or the winds,

1386
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, coming across their face as they head into

1387
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: a food source or when they go into bed. That

1388
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: seems to be something that I'm trying to pay attention

1389
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: to more, and a lot of other guys are too.

1390
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: So this is all to say, as I'm thinking about

1391
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: when you want to when you want to hunt a spot,

1392
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: you want to try to find a way that the

1393
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: wind is seemingly that the deer would want to approach

1394
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: this area because he thinks that he's able to smell

1395
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: it's ahead of him. But also somehow just cut the

1396
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: corner of it with your wind so that he doesn't

1397
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: wind you even though he thinks he's getting into an

1398
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: area safely. And so I'm trying to do Yeah, so

1399
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: it's okay. So one more thing, though, I'm just gonna

1400
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: add one more addendum to this, one little thing, and

1401
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: then I want to hear your thoughts. So that sounds

1402
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: really good. But every time I ever try it, it

1403
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: always seems way easier said than done, because you get

1404
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 1: a addicted wind of let's say, west southwest wind or whatever.

1405
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: And if if it stays and it really is west southwest,

1406
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: or if it really is west whatever I want, if

1407
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: it's really west, and I set up just perfectly cutting

1408
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: the angle, and I know the buckwell, and I think

1409
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna come from just here, it'll be fine. But

1410
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: then so many times you get what they call west wind,

1411
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: but it's west southwest for five minutes, and it's west

1412
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: northwest for ten minutes, and then's due north for thirty seconds,

1413
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: and then it's west for the rest of the time.

1414
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: It's always moving around. You can never get it just

1415
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: seems like to me it's so hard to get a

1416
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: perfectly consistent as forecasted wind. So how do you if

1417
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: this is something you do, how do you think about

1418
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: cutting the corner on a deer being aggressive, but then

1419
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: also knowing like man, mother nature is finicky and it's

1420
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: never quite as you expect, right right, yeah, and those

1421
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: are with all of that, um there, you know I'm

1422
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: not I'm not very sandy. I'm the and all the

1423
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: apps with the winds and all that jazz. Um. I

1424
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: literally go out and check the wind. I have. I

1425
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: love aviation, so I have a wind sock, and I

1426
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: watched the windsock. I watched the tree leaves. And you

1427
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: can't bank on what whatever you know, whatever the phone

1428
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: tells you it's going to be. It is amazing how

1429
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: accurate it is. But that's where it comes down to

1430
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: hunting your home ground. You've got to know that. Okay,

1431
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: when I stepped outside of my house, there's a big

1432
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: woods here, that wind is actually gonna show me southwest. Um.

1433
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: But when I get down uh where I want to hunt,

1434
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: four miles from here, there's a big rolling hill and

1435
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: then there's a hill that comes up heavy on the east,

1436
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: and it seems like when the wind hits that, no

1437
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: matter what the southwest wind is at home, it seems

1438
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: to blow out of the south more because it swirls

1439
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: off that. So it's funny how wherever you are the

1440
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: wind is going to be dictated to the by the surrounding.

1441
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: The corn will change it. So if there's corn up,

1442
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: like I like hunting fields, would edges with the corn up, Um,

1443
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't hunt some of this stuff. When

1444
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: the corn comes off, it changes the wind. So being

1445
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: a being a wind geek is extremely important and having

1446
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: balls and saying, uh this, I know this deer is

1447
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna be better knowing the ground and knowing like he's

1448
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna be better here. This is how he's gonna come out. Um.

1449
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: And I know that all these little bucks are over here,

1450
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: so I know that this buck is not gonna want

1451
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: to deal with them. He's gonna cut this edge. I'm

1452
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: going for it. Now, you're gonna spook all those little

1453
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: bucks good. I don't want them there anywhere, like I don't.

1454
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with them. And there's other

1455
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: times it's like, man, once the deer get past me,

1456
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: they're going to spook. Um, I'm okay with that one time,

1457
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: Like I will do that, just just that time. I'm

1458
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: going to kill him, and I'll kill a lot of

1459
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: deer where it's like, man, I add every day that

1460
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: walks out, they spook and I like try and spook,

1461
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 1: but I'm literally like shaking my hand like fun, like

1462
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and I want them to like leave

1463
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: and go far enough. Wait that buck doesn't see them

1464
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: standing there. And uh, there was one spot in particular

1465
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: that I feel two good deer coming out of this

1466
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: corner and it's literally that it's like every deer that

1467
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: came out, and I'm I'm almost like anxious, like sick

1468
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: to my stomach that I'm spooking these deer until that

1469
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: buck comes out and you can see him chewing his

1470
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: cut and it's like, yes, he has no deer has

1471
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: no idea. I get done, and you almost get this arrogance.

1472
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: I get giddy. I'm literally like he had this deer

1473
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: is done, Like I got it. You are I never

1474
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: say I got it until I got but it's like, yeah,

1475
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: you're not getting out of your lives. It's just like

1476
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: a miracle Um. But that comes with hunting, not just

1477
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: hunting for a long time, but hunting that area for

1478
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: a long time, and hunting having tons of experience and

1479
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: and screwing things up. But when you screw it up,

1480
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: figure out why you screwed it up and what went

1481
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: wrong there, and put it in your put it in

1482
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: your little book of knowledge for next time, and you

1483
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: get enough of those little note it's the odds are

1484
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: in your favor, um. But taking those chances is good,

1485
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: but it has to be calculated. I feel bad, like,

1486
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: now a bunch of people are going to run out,

1487
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: and I know you have a huge podcast following. I'm

1488
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: afraid like a bunch of guys are gonna screw up

1489
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: their ground and hate me. Calculation balancing. There's there's certain

1490
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: times to go for the home run, and then there's

1491
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other times where it's better to

1492
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: be safe, Scout glass um. And so so you're right,

1493
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: it definitely comes down to making those calculated decisions. Now,

1494
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: I guess with that in mind, what are the things

1495
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: going on in your head that help you determine should

1496
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: I go for the home run or should I play

1497
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: it safe? Like is it I gotta believe it's probably

1498
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: a mix of what you saw, like the intel you

1499
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: have is maybe a mix of what are the conditions,

1500
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: And then maybe it's a mixture of like how much

1501
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: time do I have or what's the hunting pressure? Uh?

1502
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: Is that right? Are there other things? Yeah? You're on.

1503
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point in my life, it's like,

1504
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: all right, can I you know, if I see a

1505
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: good like if I see a big one, I am

1506
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: going to be extremely aggressive on that deer because I

1507
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: don't you know, you used to hunt. I mean I

1508
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: would literally hunt every day of the hunting season, you know,

1509
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, I enjoy it. I just can't do

1510
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: that anymore. And now I look at it. It's like, man,

1511
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: I think about how much time I would rather take

1512
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: two days off work and hunt like a maniac once

1513
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: I find a big one and do as much research

1514
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: and kill him in two days than to take two

1515
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: weeks off like a lot of you guys take two

1516
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: or three weeks off to hunt their home state. And

1517
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: it's like that's ridiculous, Like you should really be able

1518
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: to get this deer killed. I would rather go a

1519
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent for a little bit of time

1520
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: to get him killed than to go mediocre. Uh pace

1521
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: and uh and and that has a lot to do

1522
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: with it. Like, you know, if I think he's in

1523
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: a killable spot, I'm definitely going for it. However, there's

1524
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: been you know, Joe had made a phenomenal comment in

1525
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: that previous episode. It was an episode two or something

1526
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: that you had done um about and I won't I'll

1527
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: screw it up, I won't build a quota. But he

1528
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: had made a comment that really struck home with me.

1529
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: And he's like he made a comment about there's a

1530
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: there's a spot in his woods or there's there'll be

1531
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: a spot in the woods that it just has all

1532
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: this great sign there's trails everywhere and there's well up

1533
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: scrapes and it's it's just perfect if I could just

1534
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: get down in there. But I know that's an unhuntable spot.

1535
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: Like you, it's never right there. The entrance and escape

1536
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: is wrong. The wind switches all the time, and they're

1537
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: all you're gonna do is ruin it. Yes, learn that,

1538
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: learn that discipline that this isn't unhunt Like there are

1539
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: spots that you don't try and hunt that don't even

1540
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: put a camera in there. You're just screwing it up.

1541
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: Stay out of that. It might only be a hundred

1542
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: yard radius. Um, nothing is right in there, like you.

1543
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: You can't you can't attack them in there. Let don't

1544
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: let them know that you're in the area. Stay out

1545
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: of that and just hunt the periphery and in and

1546
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: do it right, and you're gonna kill stuff. But people

1547
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: don't do that. They see all this sign and they're like, all,

1548
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: my god, I'm planting to stand in here, and it's like, uh,

1549
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: you just literally ruined this would But the only pid

1550
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: thing for somebody like me is once I see that stand,

1551
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 1: I know good. This guy just blew all that. He's

1552
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: going to blow these deer out of here. I'm gonna

1553
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: hunt the escape routes and people literally funnel deer for

1554
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: me in all these places I hunt because not that

1555
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: they're stupid, but they're they're not paying attention to the

1556
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: cause and effect of what they're doing. So go ruin

1557
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: the best spot in the woods and then they come.

1558
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: Then they come to me on the escape routes and

1559
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: it's like perfect, and you drill them. Um, so knowing

1560
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: when to go for it, I mean it's kind of

1561
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: like you know when a poker player knows when to

1562
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: make a bluff. I mean, you just gotta know it,

1563
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: and it comes from experience, and you gotta go out

1564
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: there and whatever you do every night, Like I remember

1565
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: right making notes because I think Dwight Chu or somebody had,

1566
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, said that, like he I don't know if

1567
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: it was Dwight, but somebody had written. They wrote down

1568
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: like everything every day's hunt. And I did that for

1569
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: like a year, and then I was like, I've never

1570
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: went back and read any of those notes, but I

1571
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: can remember every hunt pretty much, every wind direction and

1572
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: every I can tell you every deer I've ever shot,

1573
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: how part of the distance was. Like you can't get

1574
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: that stuff out of your mind. And when you have

1575
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: all that recollection, um, it's just knowledge. But don't be

1576
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: afraid to look back on it in your mind and

1577
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I don't remember, you know, I remember

1578
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: hunting this and I could never get away with getting

1579
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: in here. Well take that into account, like that should

1580
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: teach you something like every time I go in here,

1581
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: I blowed your out and I've never killed a deer

1582
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: in here. Stay out of there. There are thoughts like

1583
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: that that you can't hunt. And when Joe made that comment.

1584
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, this dude the killer. He knows,

1585
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: he knows to stay out of that, and he knows

1586
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: to just let them feel comfortable and let their guard down,

1587
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get killed. And you know, like I

1588
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: I like the idea that deer are these smart old

1589
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: deer and all this stuff. They're not animals. They have

1590
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: great instincts and are very habitual. Um, a buck is

1591
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: definitely gonna put his nose in the wind, I think.

1592
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: And he's definitely good. He's I mean a lot. How

1593
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: many times have you seen a good buck step into

1594
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: a field but not quite into it. He's still got

1595
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, all the briers and brush standing right in

1596
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: front of him, and he just stands out for forty

1597
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: five minutes and it's like, dude, step out. He's just

1598
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: that's his habit. He's just that's what. He's a lazy buck.

1599
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: And I think he's gotten old because he happens to

1600
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: not like to go out into the field until it's start.

1601
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: He's not smart, he just that's his habit and that

1602
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: habit has gotten mold. So once you figure that, okay,

1603
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: he's gonna come out here, just you figure out how

1604
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: to beat his system, and that's it seems to work.

1605
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's just the thought process. A random comment

1606
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: you made a little back a little while back ago.

1607
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: I just want to get a little more information on

1608
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: before we move forward. You were talking about wind and

1609
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: how different local things on your property might change is

1610
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: wind and you've got to know how they all these

1611
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: things impact it. You said that standing corn changes the

1612
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: wind for you, and when the corn comes out that

1613
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: changes things again. How do you see standing corn or

1614
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: corn fields getting cleared change the wind direction. Uh, It's

1615
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: it's not like I could put a science behind it

1616
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: and say, oh, you know, when the corn is up,

1617
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: it it definitely guddens the wind. Or when the corn

1618
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: is up, you know there's this one spot it has

1619
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: this nice rolling hill and um, there's a certain spot

1620
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: down on this hedgerow that whether there's corn or not

1621
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: there there doesn't seem to ever be any wind. It's

1622
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: like this little dead zone. When the corn is up,

1623
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: that spot is huge, like it's a hundred yards You

1624
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: get a hundred yards in there, but when the corn

1625
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: is off, there's like this twenty yard pocket that it

1626
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: just always seems to be dead and just paying attention

1627
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: as I'm walking places like and the wind was just

1628
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: beating me in the back and now it's extremely dead here.

1629
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: I've taken the time to walk back up a hill

1630
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: before and then they're like, yeah, the wind is still

1631
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: blowing hard right here, and then walk back down and

1632
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: it's like it's not blowing hard here. But just observing

1633
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 1: those little things. Um, there's just different places that I

1634
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: can't explain why it is, but that's how it is.

1635
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: And and I've been observant to know, like the winds

1636
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: is going to do this in this spot when it's

1637
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: when it's doing this when it's a north wind up here, Um,

1638
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a northwest wind in this spot. And

1639
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 1: that's a That's actually another thing that I'm a maniac

1640
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: for his odd winds. Man, if I get an east wind,

1641
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: something is gonna die. Like today it was actually an

1642
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: east wind. I have to go check out check the

1643
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: window now, but um it was an east wind. Uh

1644
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: here And may east winds driving wild because there's so

1645
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: many spots that I can't hunt because I really need

1646
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: I set everything up for a southwest wind. But man,

1647
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: when you get an east wind, especially when a deer

1648
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: in my opinion, beds with the southwest wind when he

1649
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: goes in and definitely does put his nose um in

1650
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: the wind, and then all of a sudden the wind

1651
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: changed up. He still wants to go out to where

1652
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: he had planned on going. And if the wind is

1653
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: it his back and he hasn't been pressured bad, he's

1654
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna walk out there. He's still smelling the wind all

1655
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 1: around him. He's gonna use his eyes and his hearing

1656
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: to make sure that everything ahead of him is okay.

1657
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna feel very confident that he's gonna be able

1658
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: to see everything and hear everything, and he's gonna be

1659
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: able to smell everything behind them. So they walk with her.

1660
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: In my opinion, somebody out there is gonna be like, oh,

1661
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 1: this guy is stupid. They don't walk with their you

1662
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: know knows not in the wind. But I'm here to

1663
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: tell you they walk with her, knows with the wind

1664
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: that they're back. Um. They have wonderful ice fight in

1665
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: wonderful vision. Um. And if I can catch an odd

1666
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: wind like that, something's gonna If there's a big one,

1667
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna that's a great hunting odd wind like And

1668
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: when you hang stand sets if I have a good

1669
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: thicket or something, um, and I know, like, okay, they

1670
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: tend to come out here, they tend to come out there.

1671
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: If I'm pin a deer down, I'll hang a southwest

1672
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: stand for him. But if I can sneak in there

1673
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: and hanging east wind stands, oh man, I will hang

1674
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: on east wind stand and if the soon as the

1675
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: wind changes on in that stand. And that's what I'm

1676
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: actually hoping to get lucky, um and and have a

1677
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: good betting area exposed to me from an angle that

1678
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 1: I usually can't get in on. And that's so exciting.

1679
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: I get giddy. It's like, man, when there's an east wind,

1680
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: that's why say, oh my god, I can I cannot wait.

1681
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't change. Um. But the disciplined level

1682
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: is when you get in that east wind stand and

1683
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: you're in early and everything is good, and then that

1684
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,839
Speaker 1: wind switches and it starts blowing into the bedding grounds,

1685
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: get out, like, don't be that guy that just sits

1686
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: there and then let's just scent blow in there for

1687
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: the next two hours. Just know that the gig is

1688
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: up and get out and recircle and use that night

1689
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 1: is a is a scouting tool and see what happens,

1690
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys just sit there and it's like, Nope,

1691
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: the gig is up, get out. And I've done it too.

1692
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: I've sat there and then it's like, ah, I screwed

1693
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: this up. I should have left that. Yeah. Yeah, So

1694
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you know, lots of times a buck

1695
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: will like to use the wind, but on occasion they

1696
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: will walk with the wind to their backs to get

1697
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: in certain spots. And you've talked about that lots of times.

1698
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: There might be a big old buck that hangs up

1699
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: at the edge of the field. Um, there's certain things

1700
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: you've seen over and over over your years of chasing

1701
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: the biggest holdest bucks around. Are there any other Now?

1702
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: I know these aren't rules, there's nothing like, if there's

1703
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: anything that's true about big mature bucks that they're all different,

1704
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: But are there any other high level trends that you've

1705
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: kind of seen over the years as far as what

1706
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: makes them mature buck different than a young buck, as

1707
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: far as their behavior, what they do any other like

1708
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: key things you're always thinking about and mature bucks probably

1709
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna do this, mature bucks probably going to do that.

1710
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: That helped guide you you know a couple of things.

1711
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: For instance, learn they're not. I mean I would say

1712
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: these big bucks are nocturnal and this and that. Um,

1713
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: I think they're I think they are observant things that,

1714
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: um they don't like to be bothered. And I think

1715
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: that's the big thing that in our we like instant gratification,

1716
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: especially with these trail cameras and stuff. And I think

1717
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: this supplies to like my home state and some of

1718
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: these high pressure states more than it would um in

1719
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: other states. Um going in and out of the woods

1720
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: and screwing them up and driving your four wheeler, um,

1721
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: putting checking your trail cameras, uh even every two weeks.

1722
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, just stay out of there. Like I

1723
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: literally don't put trail cameras in any I don't really

1724
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: run them too much, but if I do, I literally

1725
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't put them on food sources too much. Like

1726
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: I try and put them, um like where they might

1727
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: cross the road just to see what's in there, because

1728
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to screw They know that you're in there,

1729
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: like they if you walk into my house with buddy boots,

1730
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna know, like Jesus, these aren't my boot

1731
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: tracks like somebody's in my house, and I'm pretty sure

1732
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: when you go walking through their stuff and keep checking stuff,

1733
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: like they're onto that and I've noticed, you know, I'll

1734
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: get a picture of a of a dough profile broadside

1735
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's looking at the camera,

1736
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's noses on the camera,

1737
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's walking away, and

1738
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that that they knew that that cameras

1739
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm not a big fan of that type

1740
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: of stuff. So that's something I don't know. It's find

1741
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: a little trick to killing big bucks. But the other

1742
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: thing I was gonna say is, um, I can't believe

1743
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: how many people like if if you have the day

1744
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: off and you have the day to hunt and it

1745
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: is hard, but especially during the rut, like do not

1746
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: do not go home? Like hunt all if you're in

1747
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: a good spot and the wind is good and you

1748
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: are out to hunt, especially if it's the rut and

1749
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: you're in a big buck state. Um, I've shot a

1750
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: lot of good deer between eleven and one o'clock. Um,

1751
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: they're on their feet, especially if they're not pressured or

1752
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: they're chasing dose. But um, I can't believe there's a

1753
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: there's actually a swayeping feel by my house and we

1754
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: will see deer at noon. Um, I'll just pop around

1755
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: in this corner and there's this kind of hidden little

1756
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: draw and there's there's just doze out there. There'll be

1757
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: ten does out there in the middle of the day.

1758
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: Hell and people, a lot of times it's like nine o'clock.

1759
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of my stand and it's like, you

1760
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: might want to sit there till eleven. I would at

1761
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: least push a little bit harder um in in Uh, like,

1762
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: stay off your phone. I'm kind of bad about it too,

1763
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: but I know people, it's like, you gotta be kidding me.

1764
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: There's this one spot I hunt and it's a it's

1765
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: a hedgerow, and then there's this two huge fields behind it,

1766
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: and there's a drainage ditch, and then there's another hedgerow.

1767
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: And I've glass this one guy that hunts a young guy.

1768
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: He hunts this far hedgerow and uh, I glasped. I

1769
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 1: don't know how many deer come out of his headrow

1770
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: hed his freaking head down in his phone. They all

1771
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: went behind him. I watched it was gun season. I

1772
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: know his kid would have shot everything that moved. He

1773
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: never saw any of those, dude, they couldn't have been

1774
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: thirty yards behind him, but he was on his phone

1775
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: the whole If I would have had a camera, I

1776
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: would have loved to have recorded that. But you know,

1777
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: is there a work like stay focused on your job

1778
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: like work if you're hunting, Like stay focused on the

1779
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: task at hand, and like I get on my phone

1780
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: every now and there, text guys or something, but man

1781
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: like focus on the task at hand. Yeah, that's that's key,

1782
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: and it's easy these days. There's so many opportunities for

1783
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: distraction with us phones in your pockets. So that's good.

1784
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: It's definitely good reminder. I've been I was biting the

1785
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: ass on that one once, So I know what you're saying,

1786
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 1: ye big buck tips. I mean, that's it's tough to say, like, oh,

1787
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, look for this. But you know one thing

1788
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: you could do is pay attention to how the crops

1789
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: change and how the deer changed to um like guys.

1790
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: You know, guys are uh literally a place I hut.

1791
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Somebody had a go and heat sent wick out already,

1792
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, what are you doing? You

1793
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: know what? I hate to be rude, but it's like

1794
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: that this is not you're gonna kill an immature deer

1795
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: off that it's oddly curious of what this is. And yeah,

1796
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna tip the deer off that. Okay,

1797
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: some idiots you're already putting sentwis up, so that would

1798
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: be a big buck tip, Like don't do that. Yeah, yeah,

1799
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: that makes sense. One kind of off the wall not

1800
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: off the wall topic, but we're kind of pivoting from

1801
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about here. We've talked a lot about,

1802
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, how to know when to go in for

1803
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: the kill, how to find him, how to glass him up,

1804
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: how to determine how mature buck's gonna behave versus them

1805
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: mature buck. Um. Doing all this stuff, killing a big

1806
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: mature buck every year, all of this takes a lot

1807
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: of energy. It takes a lot of time. I think

1808
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of us we can obsess over it. Um,

1809
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: how do you think about that side of your life,

1810
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: being a successful hunter and then balancing your family, because

1811
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: I know you've got a family, You've got daughters, Um,

1812
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: how do you manage those things and try to keep

1813
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: it in balance or or make it all work somehow. Yeah,

1814
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: that's an extremely important Um, that's extremely important point. Uh,

1815
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: in a huge point. And that's the point that I've

1816
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: excelled at extremely well. Anywhere I go, people are like, man,

1817
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 1: what you know, what does your wife say? Um? And

1818
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: my first of all, don't ever date somebody that is

1819
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: not in the hunting. It's not gonna work. Steps number one.

1820
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: If your girlfriend is complaining, like, just move on, she's

1821
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: never gonna be happy. And and just get it over with.

1822
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: But that's a that's a fact, Like you're if your

1823
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: girlfriend is not like something that you're passionate about, like

1824
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: it's just get it over with. Get There's tons of

1825
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: cool chicks out there, Um, Mary, a good woman would

1826
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: be step one. And uh, that's the biggest step. But

1827
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: that's a great point because I have personally, especially when

1828
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: my kids were little, pushed envelope of ringing myself out

1829
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: like mentally, physically, financially, um where it's not even fun

1830
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: and I haven't I've set myself up for failure. One

1831
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: year in Kansas, I think it might have been the

1832
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: first year, kind of a second year at hunt in Kansas. Um,

1833
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 1: you know it was a big deal to me to

1834
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: make this work financially, my business that I had just

1835
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 1: started with tying. I don't know if I had actually

1836
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: started my business. I was broke. Um. We had a

1837
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: brand new baby at home. This tag I don't know

1838
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: how much the tags were then six bucks or something.

1839
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, six hundred bucks might as well have been

1840
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: like ten grands. Me it was. It was everything to me. Um.

1841
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: The whole trip was exhausting. Um. I was after I

1842
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: found a really good book and I just wore myself out.

1843
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: And I knew that when I got home, like um,

1844
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: money was going to be tight. And my wife never complained,

1845
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: but she was struggling at home trying to take care

1846
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: of the baby and try that you cannot do like

1847
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: I was not ready and I did. I actually missed

1848
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: that deer, but dear that I finally got a shot at. Um.

1849
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: I got screwed on that dear so many times, but

1850
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: by other people, but I ended up getting a shot

1851
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: at this dear. And it was so desperate for me

1852
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: to kill this deer and accomplish the goal that I

1853
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: just I botched something that I'm really like, I'm really

1854
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: good at killing things, like I'm really, I understand when

1855
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: to move, how to move, when to take a shot,

1856
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: when not to shoot. And I did something like the

1857
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: killing part is never a problem problem for me, and

1858
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 1: I botched it and it came down to not having

1859
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: my home life perfect. Um, when you leave for if

1860
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: you're leaving for a hunt or a punting season is coming,

1861
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 1: you got to work like a maniac and have money

1862
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: banked so that the heat bill isn't a problem. But

1863
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: the money isn't a problem. You've got a bank. What

1864
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: if you have three thousand dollars a month and build

1865
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: make sure you have six thousand dollars set aside or whatever.

1866
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: It might only be five, but mentally be okay that

1867
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm going hunting and it doesn't matter. M Make sure

1868
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: you have your crap around the house picked up, make

1869
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: sure they law in his mode. Make sure your wife

1870
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: is in a good mood and she's happy, and she's

1871
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: okay that you're going away. Try and I try, And

1872
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I always say this, like, I try and set up

1873
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: the babysitters and make sure the kids are taken care

1874
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: of and they've got rides from here to there. My

1875
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: wife truthfully kind of does that, but I make sure

1876
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 1: that she's got it done, you know, because when you

1877
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: call home and she's like, this is not this is

1878
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass, and I've got to figure

1879
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: out how to get you know, cricket to this practice

1880
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 1: and our other daughter to that practice. It takes away

1881
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: from your thought process, that's what's important. And a lot

1882
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: of guys take that for granted, including myself. I did

1883
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: that that hunt and that hut like broke me. I

1884
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:53,759
Speaker 1: hated hunting a three piste just it wasn't I failed,

1885
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: and I don't like sailing. And I remember after that

1886
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,839
Speaker 1: thinking like I'm not gonna put myself in that situation,

1887
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: like if I can't. I didn't go the next year

1888
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Speaker 1: because I couldn't have word too and I just worked

1889
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: like a maniac. And now when I go hunting, I

1890
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: got If the money isn't set aside and my wife

1891
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: isn't happy and things aren't taken care of, I don't

1892
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 1: need to go. And it's a good feeling because like

1893
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: I have, like I have more good animals killed than

1894
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: probably anybody deserves to have in a lifetime already. So

1895
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 1: I could hang up my hat from hunting and have

1896
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: a just a phenomenal do it yourself career. People will

1897
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, that's amazing. So if I don't get one,

1898
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. But the pressure is off,

1899
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: and it's really good to take the pressure off yourself.

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01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't like killing big stuff. I don't want to

1901
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 1: go somewhere and not kill something. But if I don't,

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01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: it's not a big like I'm not I'm not worried

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01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: about it. I really enjoy the It sounds corny, but

1904
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the journey now, you know, when I was younger,

1905
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: it was more of the destination. I had to show success.

1906
01:32:52,439 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: And having a good wife and a stable, happy kid

1907
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: makes me mean that's huge. Like if my kids are

1908
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: on the phone, I mean, in a couple of times,

1909
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 1: they've been like Daddy, come home. You know, especially Elconi,

1910
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: They're like come home. And it's like, oh, you're breaking

1911
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: my heart. But I'm not afraid to tell them either. Listen,

1912
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Speaker 1: Daddy works hard. I work hard for you, and this

1913
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: is a big I love this stuff. I want you

1914
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: to be proud of me, and I wants you to

1915
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: cheer for me. I don't want to hear you just crying.

1916
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: You're a good kid, and I do everything I can

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Speaker 1: do to make you happy. This makes me happy. And someday,

1918
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: when you're old enough, you were coming with me. Okay,

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01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 1: so be happy for me. Don't be crying on the phone.

1920
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: Tell me you're proud of me, and tell me to

1921
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: kill big things. And my girl kids will be like, Daddy,

1922
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: you kill a big one, you know, and they're great.

1923
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: And now they're old enough that that they don't even

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01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: need that speech, like they're they're cheering for me, and uh,

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01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: that is just that's the best. You know, that that's

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01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: how it has to be. But it always wasn't always

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01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: that way. You know. I strung myself out like anybody.

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01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: So when you get your ducks in a row, um,

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01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: that's huge. If your girlfriend is complaining or you know,

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01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: if you have a girlfriend and she's bitching and complaining

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01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 1: about that, I would literally just say, look, here's the deal,

1932
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: something I really care about. If there's something you really

1933
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: care about, I will support you and help you do it.

1934
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: But don't bring me down complaining about something I'm passionate about.

1935
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: It's never gonna change. So get that out of the

1936
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: way before you go dating somebody, no matter what it is.

1937
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: If you're in the cars or whatever, like somebody's complaining

1938
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: about something you love, like you might want to change directions. Yeah, yeah,

1939
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 1: that's that's some wise, some wise words to have at

1940
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: the front end of the relationship. I'm gonna end up.

1941
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna end the over pressure in their deer because

1942
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna go for the deer's throw and they're gonn

1943
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: end up breaking up with your girlfriends. Podcast, so contact

1944
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: you're putting together, we're gonna we're gonna title this one

1945
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: the home record with Jesse Coots. Yeah, yeah, that could

1946
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: be true. However, the funny thing is I call at

1947
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: the big animals and I have a wonderful family life.

1948
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: So there again, it works for me, it might for you.

1949
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: This is what works for me. Yeah, all my buddies here,

1950
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: this this is they're gonna be like a shocker. So

1951
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: so we gotta wrap this one up, Jesse, because I

1952
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: need to go run a couple of errands for my

1953
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: family and then run out into the woods. Um, do

1954
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: you have any final last uh, any final last words

1955
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: or things you want to share with the folks before

1956
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: we sign off here? Yeah, you know, so we didn't.

1957
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: I didn't get a big itinerary shoot from me. And

1958
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. I sat down before and I'm like,

1959
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: what are the important things to me that if you

1960
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: want to um, if you want to kill big deer

1961
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: and I were a couple of things down and we

1962
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: didn't touch base on and one of the things I

1963
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: was gonna say, if you want to kill big deer,

1964
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: like we had said, you gotta hunt where big deer are, um.

1965
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 1: And once you're hunting where big deer are, do not

1966
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: shoot little deer. You will never kill big deer. Even

1967
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: if you're like, wow, I didn't get one this year,

1968
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Stop shooting little deer. If you shoot little dear, be

1969
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: happy that you're shooting little dear. Don't cry that you're

1970
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: not shooting big deer. And I think the biggest tip

1971
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: a guy could have if he, especially a young guy,

1972
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: well anybody, if you really want to get good at

1973
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: hunting and killing big deer, you have to learn to

1974
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: be a killer. UM. I think you should start out.

1975
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, while I was a kid, I was very

1976
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: fortunate that my parents weren't around much. UM. I had

1977
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 1: BB guns and bow and arrows and flame shots. Sparrows

1978
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: were not safe. Woodchuck's, I mean, the neighbor's horse farm

1979
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: paid me to shoot every woodchuck. Um. I learned how

1980
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: to sneak up on stuff, I learned how to move.

1981
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 1: Being a killer is probably the biggest asset you can have. UM.

1982
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: And if you know, a lot of guys are like, oh,

1983
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I've shot tender with the bow, and

1984
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: it's like that is not that's great, but you need

1985
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: to kill tenderer tend dough a year with the bow.

1986
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: And there were years where I would get uh in

1987
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: my home state has liberal freaking dough tags and I

1988
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: got tons of dote and just shot the daylights out

1989
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: of him for fifteen years. After I killed ten deer

1990
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: a year, and and then you hunt other states. I mean,

1991
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: by the time I was done, I was killing fifteen

1992
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 1: or twenty deer a year with a bow. That makes

1993
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: you so confident and so good at hunting, um that

1994
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 1: when the pressure of a big buck is on, this

1995
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 1: is something you've done two hundred times, Like this is

1996
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: not a big deal. I'm got to flipping arrows to

1997
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: his bucks chest. And when he gets to this pocket,

1998
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: I know when to move and when not to move.

1999
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: And if he gets through that pocket, I don't care

2000
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: because I know I'm going to shoot him quarter in

2001
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: away when he gets the bat pocket. Whereas when you

2002
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,839
Speaker 1: don't have that experience on your belt, everything's a panics.

2003
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: So if you really want to be a a good hunter, um,

2004
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: hunt wood chucks with the bow and arrow, hunt rabbits

2005
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: with the bow and arrow, shoot as many does, don't

2006
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: shoot and even gun season, I shoot him with the

2007
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: bow and arrow. Um, just become proficient with the bow

2008
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 1: and arrow and shoot everything that moves. Meanwhile, drive past

2009
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: a horse passer and look at horses. It sounds morbid,

2010
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: but I literally look at every angle and figure out

2011
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 1: how it's shoot that force. And you have to have

2012
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: that mindset. And it sounds evil, but like everything is

2013
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: a target and you're not thinking that way, you're you're

2014
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 1: out of the groove. And uh, if you can get

2015
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: nuisance permits, or you can get if your state allows

2016
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: transferable dotags, get as many doughtegs as you can. And

2017
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: before you try and really kill big bucks, like kill

2018
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: everything in your path. Learn to be a good hunter

2019
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: and hunt and kill everything. And I really think you

2020
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 1: should become I cut all my own deer. Um. I

2021
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 1: know a deer's body inside and out. I know if

2022
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: I hit him here exactly what organ is there and

2023
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,440
Speaker 1: what tendon is there, and what the cause and effectives.

2024
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: I think that stuff really matters. It matters to me.

2025
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: It's helped me a ton um for it will be

2026
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: some of my my other tips is be a murderer,

2027
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: be a killer. I know it's it's not correct to

2028
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: say that you should harvest deer, but I don't harvest them.

2029
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: I kill things like that's I kill things and I

2030
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: butcher it, and I put it in my freeer and

2031
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: I feed my family. I I've over seen anything. I'm

2032
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: killing deer, uh. And I think to be a proficient

2033
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: big buck killer you have to learn how to kill everything.

2034
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying. That was my pointer on that.

2035
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: But but I could go on all day, and I

2036
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,560
Speaker 1: really appreciate you having me on them. I'm honored to

2037
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 1: be on. I vote. I'm not really a podcast guy,

2038
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: but I've heard so many good things since I was

2039
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: on your last time. I had no idea what a

2040
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 1: wonderful uh podcast this is and how highly people think

2041
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: of you and your podcast across the country. So I'm

2042
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: honored to be on it and be a part of it. Well,

2043
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: thank you Jesse. I I really appreciate it too, and

2044
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you share a lot of things that

2045
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: will help folks, and you don't mince words, and yeah,

2046
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: a few people might not like that, but I think

2047
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people will appreciate one from you too,

2048
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a cool thing. So thank you

2049
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 1: for that, and good luck with the rest of your

2050
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 1: two thousand hunting season. You got it, my friend. Thank you,

2051
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: and keep in touch. I'm sure we'll, uh, we'll catch

2052
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 1: up again. I'll call you a night after I shoot

2053
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: that big one. All right, I'm looking forward to my friend.

2054
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: And if you don't shoot him, call me and tell

2055
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: me where he wasn't. We were literally hash this out,

2056
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 1: and that's what's cool about having a great hunting circle on.

2057
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 1: I've called friends and my dude, this buck is doing this,

2058
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: this and this, and every year cyber six people call

2059
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: me and be like, hey, I'm gonna send you a

2060
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: topograph of Matt. This is where that bucket is. Like

2061
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: what should I do? That's fun. It's a lot of fun.

2062
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, for sure, dude, we'll bust of luck.

2063
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 1: Keep it, keep it touch my friend, and call me anytime. Thanks. Jesse.

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01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us today. I

2065
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this one. You can foul along with

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Speaker 1: all of our future episodes by subscribing to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: the Back forty. So lots of cool stuff coming up.

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Speaker 1: You can find it all over the media to your

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for a lot more interesting stuff from us here,

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