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Speaker 1: the game. You know, Aaron, The game kicked off and

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Speaker 1: it was freezing cold. You could tell when Scott Van

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Speaker 1: the show, Noah Lives in Pittsburgh, said it was seven

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we watched tonight. And by all accounts,

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Speaker 1: And the final score, if you didn't watch a snap

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Speaker 1: he was atrocious. One guy looked good the other guy

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Speaker 1: Why because Bryce Young's five foot nine, Tyler Shuck's like

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Speaker 1: the most about the Packers is just over the course

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Speaker 1: little stunning now if they make the Super Bowl, right, Hell,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for them to win the division.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine as this week goes, most people, pundits, fans,

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Speaker 1: people that watch football be I bet the Bears beat

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Speaker 1: them at home, and this is when you kind of

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Speaker 1: can up your stock as a coach. And Lafleur, who

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Speaker 1: came into the season kind of on a prove it

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Speaker 1: we're not extending the GM or the coach. GM's not

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Speaker 1: going anywhere. But I do think that Matt Lafleur over

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Speaker 1: the course of these next three games and even in

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Speaker 1: But I would say if he's able to win the division,

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Speaker 1: help make it to the playoffs, and win a playoff game,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would give you a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit. Jeff Hafley, their defensive coordinator, who let's

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Speaker 1: just say there are six job openings this offseason, will

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Speaker 1: probably interview for five of them. Well, if your defense

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Speaker 1: losing Micah Parsons over the next couple weeks doesn't skip

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Speaker 1: a beat, looks really good, and in that playoff game,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're the seven seed or sixth seed or who

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Speaker 1: knows how this thing breaks. You don't host a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: You got to go on the road and your defense dominates,

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Speaker 1: and you guys win a playoff game, and you're a

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Speaker 1: big reason for it. I think that only ups your stock.

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Speaker 1: So like a player who is injured, we give a

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Speaker 1: lot of extra credit to It's no different with coaches.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason. Andy Reid obviously had a lot

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Speaker 1: of early success with the Eagles, but one of the

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Speaker 1: things that really turned him into a legend, you know,

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Speaker 1: early on for being an offensive guru, was like Donovan

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Speaker 1: McNabb would get injured and he would just take guys

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Speaker 1: like Jay Feely or Jeff Garcia late in his career

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Speaker 1: and just like rattle off wins and still sneak into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and it didn't really matter. And I think Lafleur,

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Speaker 1: who still has his quarterback, who still has some of

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Speaker 1: his core guys on offensive defense, like they're not done,

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Speaker 1: Like it's not over. Like if you are a really

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Speaker 1: good coach and you're a guy that's expecting the Packers

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Speaker 1: to give you, you know, twelve to fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year, a huge extension for the next five or

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Speaker 1: six years. And if you're halfway a guy that thinks

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Speaker 1: that can't miss defensive coordinator, because guess what, most of

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Speaker 1: these teams you're going to aren't gonna have for Sean

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Speaker 1: Gary and Michael Parsons, They're gonna have bad players. That's

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Speaker 1: why they're shit. So I'm fascinated to see, like, I

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Speaker 1: like these I've watched a lot of halfway press conferences

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Speaker 1: over the last month. A lot of you guys ford him.

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Speaker 1: To me, He's clearly a very, very impressive guy, there

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Speaker 1: is no arguing that. And he's done an excellent job

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Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator for the Packers. But I think

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Speaker 1: these two guys right now can kind of rally the

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Speaker 1: troops as the offensive coordinator in the defensive coordinators. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously he's the head coach as well as the play caller.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people, and I'm guilty

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Speaker 1: of this too, a Packer's done seasons over That's not

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Speaker 1: the way football works now. You might not just rattle

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Speaker 1: off a bunch of victories and end up in the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, but like you could still win eleven games,

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Speaker 1: win the division, and win a playoff game and get

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit from your fan base and from

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Speaker 1: your new president and from just internally people in your organization.

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Speaker 1: So I think I don't blame Lafleur last night when

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Speaker 1: looked like he saw ghost, when he looked like his

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Speaker 1: you know, his life was about to end. We all

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Speaker 1: would have acted the same way. But part of being

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Speaker 1: the leader, part of being essentially the commander of chief

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Speaker 1: of you know, football team is like you gotta shake

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567
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Speaker 1: And you play the Bears on a short week. You

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Speaker 1: gonna be watching this game on Saturday night, especially when

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Speaker 1: afternoon night are atrocious. I meant, we potentially like a

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Speaker 1: fifty point blowout at night, so all the eyeballs are

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Speaker 1: gonna be on you. And if you win that game,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people all over the country,

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Speaker 1: just fans of football, would be very, very impressed. And

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Speaker 1: it would go a long way to this, to this

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Speaker 1: potential world where you get a big extension this offseason

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Speaker 1: because you would have earned it. That's what high level

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Speaker 1: coaching is. When things don't go your way. You give

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Speaker 1: me you know, Ladanian Tomlinson, you give me Tony Gonzalz.

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Speaker 1: You give me some loaded team. I could coach that team,

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Speaker 1: but that's not the NFL. This is not college football,

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Speaker 1: where the best teams all got the sweetest players. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people got injuries. Held the year the Packers

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Speaker 1: won it with Aaron Rodgers in twenty ten, my first

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Speaker 1: year with the Eagles, when they beat us in the

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Speaker 1: a sudden they won the Super Bowl. I think they

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Speaker 1: had like twenty or something guys on injury reserve. They

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Speaker 1: had a ton of guys hurt. Kind of put Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy on the map and elevated his status to a

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Speaker 1: completely different level in the NFL because of what he

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Speaker 1: did that season with all the injuries. So I'm fascinated

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Speaker 1: to watch the Packers, and the more and more I

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Speaker 1: think about it, I got to be pretty careful to

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Speaker 1: not just count them out. And last, but not least,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks starting in the NFL. Year after year, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: their super athletic ability. Yet year after year, these talents

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Speaker 1: like Fields, Anthony Richardson and others eventually get passed over

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Speaker 1: for older players. Flacco was fun for a minute. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers can't take a hit. Philip Rivers just the latest

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Speaker 1: to get signed off the couch. Where are all? Where

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Speaker 1: did all the young talent go? And why are NFL

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Speaker 1: front offices perpetuating this trend. I've been thinking a lot

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Speaker 1: about this because I think it's pretty easy anyone that

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Speaker 1: where Jackson Dart played for Lane Kiffin, who was just

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Speaker 1: top two or three offensive guy in the sport on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: And Gruden, who the video of Vinny Testaverdi just went

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Speaker 1: what does it sound like? What it's on two? And

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Speaker 1: play from the coach that tells them to run the

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Speaker 1: play they're giving them because they've already looked at the defense.

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Speaker 1: So all the manipulating on the field that let's say

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers or Philip Rivers can and will do, they

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Speaker 1: have never been taught to do that. And historically, when

643
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Speaker 1: I worked at Fresno State, one reason the NFL scouted

644
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Speaker 1: our team so heavily and we produced so many guys

645
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Speaker 1: in the NFL because we ran an NFL offense. We

646
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Speaker 1: ran an offense that looked like every team in the

647
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Speaker 1: NFL now. College Back in the late two thousands and

648
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Speaker 1: definitely the early twenty tens, everyone started spreading it out.

649
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Speaker 1: Now in the NFL, teams still spread it out, but

650
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: their terminology it is much more complicated than one of

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Speaker 1: a lot of these offenses for Lincoln Riley that have

652
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Speaker 1: a couple words as a play call. You have heard

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Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks over the year years spit out these

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Speaker 1: play calls and they have like fifteen to twenty words,

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Speaker 1: and they're giving you multiple options to the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. Forever, in college football coaches,

657
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Speaker 1: the profession from an assistant standpoint has always been very nomadic.

658
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Speaker 1: But I bet if you went back in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: the nineties and even the two thousands, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the good programs had pretty consistent head coaches, and even

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00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: as coordinators came and went, the schemes stayed pretty specific.

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Speaker 1: So if you ran an NFL operation right like Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll at USC, or what Boise State was doing with

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Speaker 1: Chris Peterson or Pat Hill or Bobby Bowden or wherever,

665
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Speaker 1: you just went around Nick Saban. It was a consistent

666
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: message your entire career. Well, now the transfer portal exists,

667
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: so these players are transferring all over the place coaches

668
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: because of this crazy money. The nomadic nature of them

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Speaker 1: leaving jobs to just go to other jobs that a

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00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: lot of people think aren't even like a vertical leap,

671
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: happens more and more so. Guys progress in college to

672
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: learn complicated stuff doesn't really exist, and then the amount

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Speaker 1: of stuff that they actually learned, because they're jumping ship

674
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Speaker 1: from place to place, your knowledge actually isn't as best.

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Speaker 1: And then once you get to the NFL, while you

676
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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in the classroom, there are

677
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot of limitations on practice time. Because of the

678
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: CBA that was passed back in twenty eleven or twenty twelve,

679
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: double days don't exist. The amount of time that you

680
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: could wear pads in practice during the season has been

681
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: limited greatly, and if you break that, people on your

682
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: team union reps will turn you in. So you can

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Speaker 1: spend time in the classroom. But let's face it, the

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Speaker 1: majority of human beings, especially in an industry like football,

685
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Speaker 1: learn on the field. So even if I take information

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Speaker 1: from the classroom. If I don't get the opportunity, as

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Speaker 1: coaches would say, to rep it at practice, it's hard

688
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Speaker 1: to improve. And I also think the money in the

689
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: NFL has never been greater, so before coaches would get

690
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Speaker 1: more time, partly because if you signed a four or

691
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Speaker 1: five year contract, I would never fire you after two

692
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Speaker 1: years because I wouldn't want to pay you to not work.

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Speaker 1: Now paying you to go away means nothing. I think

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Speaker 1: someone reported this, like Albert Breer, that at an owner's meetings,

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Speaker 1: maybe like two years ago or a year ago, Roger

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Speaker 1: Goodell stood up in front of all the owners and

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Speaker 1: gave the total of money that they were paying coaches

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Speaker 1: to not work, and it was like hundreds of millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. But to these guys in this world of

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Speaker 1: an NFL that's making billions upon billions of dollars, it

701
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: actually wasn't that much money. Because teams do it all

702
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: the time because financially doesn't impact them at all. So

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00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: I do think the turnover with coaching, the nomadic nature

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Speaker 1: now of players, and over the course of the LAFE

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Speaker 1: last ten to fifteen years, the expansion of the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote spread has I would say change the gap between

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Speaker 1: the NFL and college more than ever. So these guys

708
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Speaker 1: get to the pros and I remember when Phil Savage

709
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Speaker 1: used to run the Senior Boy. He's good friends of

710
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Speaker 1: mine and he what they always do at the beginning

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00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: of the week is the coaches go to the quarterbacks, right,

712
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Speaker 1: and you get quarterbacks from Oregon to smaller schools, you

713
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: name it, all over the country. Raise your hand if

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Speaker 1: you've ever been under center. Most guys don't raise their hand,

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Speaker 1: and that includes high school football. So I think the

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Speaker 1: gap of the training for which you have to be

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Speaker 1: retrained once you get to the pros and then time

718
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Speaker 1: isn't really on your side. You know, Colin has the theory,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he's totally wrong. Is most guys,

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Speaker 1: if you start as a rookie, you get to like

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Speaker 1: your second year Thanksgiving, teams have kind of made a

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Speaker 1: decision whether we're gonna keep wrong with you, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback, or we're gonna have to pivot.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen in recent you know years, that some

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Speaker 1: guys with the physical abilities you use. Anthea Richison clearly

726
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: he's just completely over his head. And maybe one day

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Speaker 1: years from now he'll figure it out, but he ain't

728
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Speaker 1: gonna figure it out for the Colts. And when he

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Speaker 1: is able to come back, and I saw a report

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Speaker 1: today that he's like been cleared and they can open

731
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Speaker 1: the practice window. If he was physically ready and completely

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Speaker 1: cleared today, they would one hundred percent start Philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: at forty four and two hundred and seventy five pounds

734
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Speaker 1: over Anthey Richardson at twenty three years old. Why because

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Speaker 1: they trust Rivers upstairs, and some of these guys they

736
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Speaker 1: don't learn anything in college because that's not really the

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00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: way they're coached. And then they get to the pros

738
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Speaker 1: and it becomes so mental and you have so much

739
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: catching up to do, but you also have to improve physically,

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Speaker 1: and there's just not time. And we've seen recent examples

741
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Speaker 1: of the Sam Darnolds and the Baker Mayfields and the

742
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. You just kind of get lost in the shuffle.

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Speaker 1: And when you lose your confidence, I don't care whether

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00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: you play football, whether you podcast, whether you sell insurance.

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00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: When you lose your confidence, it can be tough to

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Speaker 1: get it back as a younger person, and you have

747
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Speaker 1: to spend time just building that confidence back up, let

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Speaker 1: alone learning your craft. So I think part of the

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Speaker 1: thing that these older quarterbacks bring to the table is

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Speaker 1: they can speak the same language as the coach, and

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Speaker 1: whether we agree or disagree with that, coaches really value that.

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Speaker 1: They always have and they always will. If I don't

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Speaker 1: trust you out on the field, it's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to play you, especially with our season on the line.

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00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: So you use Joe Flacco? Well, why did the Bengals

756
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Speaker 1: trade for Joe Flacko in the middle of the year

757
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: Because they were desperate to try to win games and

758
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Speaker 1: they thought he gave them a better chance some random

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Speaker 1: young kid around the league. Why did they call Philip

760
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Speaker 1: Rivers back? Because they think Philip Rivers gives them a

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Speaker 1: better chance than Nthey Ridgardson. They believe that to their core,

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Speaker 1: and clearly most of these times, I don't hear anyone

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Speaker 1: in the locker room bitching and moaning about the decision

764
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: because usually the players agree. So I just think times

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00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: have changed dramatically. The development. There's not that much time

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00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: to develop, and I think part of the blame on

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00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: that comes on the players because back in twenty eleven

768
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: they were adamant they needed more time off they needed

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Speaker 1: no double days, they didn't want to practice, and the

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Speaker 1: owners were glad to give it to them because they

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00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: kept more money in their pocket. And the players fought

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Speaker 1: for something that actually not only did not have financial value,

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Speaker 1: but limited the upside of future players in the league.

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Speaker 1: And I think over the course, it's like sometimes governments

775
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: make decisions. It's like, well, heart was in the right place,

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Speaker 1: but yeah it didn't work. So yeah, your heart was

777
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: in the right place, but your decision, the law you passed,

778
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: or the decision you made in some you know, city

779
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: ordinance was a complete failure. So fucking give yourself a

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00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: thumbs up for having your heart in the right place

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00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: for saying we tried. This is a results oriented business,

782
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Speaker 1: and the decision that happened back to cbas Ago, I

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Speaker 1: would say, has had major, major ripple effects on the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position when it comes to the development of young players.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff.

786
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: At John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those dms and

787
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: get your questions answered on the show. Very very easy

788
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: to do. Again, it's just my Instagram account. Dms wide

789
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: open fire in them and get your questions answered here

790
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: like Tyler question for the pod see how easy this is?

791
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: Is it in the realm of possibility to trade Chris

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00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Jones for Mac Jones and a third or fourth round pick.

793
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Chiefs are obviously gonna need a quarterback for at least

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Speaker 1: half the season, if not the entire year. Mac won't

795
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Speaker 1: resign after next year to be a backup again after

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00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: he bawled out in the games that he started for

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Speaker 1: the Niners, and Chris Jones likely isn't going to get

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Speaker 1: an extension from the Chiefs after this contract. Or is

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Speaker 1: this the type move that the Chiefs just play who

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Speaker 1: they've got and hope to hit on some relatively higher

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Speaker 1: draft picks. I don't hate where your mindset is. I

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Speaker 1: do think the Chiefs are gonna trade Chris Jones this offseason.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the forty nine ers is a fit

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00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: for a couple reasons. One, they prove last year that

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00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: they desperately attempted to get way younger, and they got

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Speaker 1: rid of a bunch of veteran guys that were already

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00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: their guys that they really liked. I mean, every time

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00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: you watch the defense play for Denver, I mean, green

809
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Laws solid, but I mean, Hufunga, it looks incredible, and

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00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: it was not easy to let those two guys go, right,

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Speaker 1: especially Green, I mean, they like flew to his house.

812
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Speaker 1: But Chris Jones makes a ton of money and his

813
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: cap hit is massive, and these deals are complicated. I

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Speaker 1: think the forty nine ers won, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: they would entertain mac Jones offers this offseason, especially pretty.

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Speaker 1: I get it was the Titans, but I mean if

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Speaker 1: he plays like that, I mean, you just you're paying

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Speaker 1: him a lot of money for a reason. You need

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00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: to use these assets. But I think they will desperately

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Speaker 1: try to get younger, and I just don't think they

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Speaker 1: have the financial flexibility to take on a guy who's

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Speaker 1: gonna want an extension an enormous money, who's an older player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're already dealing with with Bosa, who makes

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Speaker 1: a ton of money. He's coming off an injury. Fred's

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Speaker 1: coming off an injury. So they just proved right their

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Speaker 1: first two draft picks in twenty four were I guess

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, you know, Mikel Williams who hurt acl

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Speaker 1: and Collins, the big defensive tackle from Texas. I think

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Speaker 1: they'd just be more likely to just draft the defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman in like the first round. A defensive tackle, you know,

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Speaker 1: more of a pass rusher than than a run stuffer

832
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: like Collins. But I don't think Chris Jones would be

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Speaker 1: an option for them. I actually think when you look

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Speaker 1: at the Chiefs last year they traded Joe Toney to

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Speaker 1: the Bears, I think Chris Jones would probably end up

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Speaker 1: at a place with a team that has a lot

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Speaker 1: of financial flexibility with their quarterback. I think what the

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00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Commanders would make some sense. You know, the Atlanta Falcons

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Speaker 1: look for a team with a rookie quarterback contract who

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Speaker 1: can who's going to be trying to win immediately and

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00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: can handle maybe, and again I have to check their

842
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: cap space, but I don't I don't think the Niners

843
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: will be in business of trading for an older veteran

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Speaker 1: player who makes a ton of money and who's gonna

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Speaker 1: want a new contract. But I like where your headst.

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Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers would be more likely

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Speaker 1: to trade mac Jones one. It would take a lot

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Speaker 1: to get them, but like I think they would need

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Speaker 1: a second day pick and they would just want to

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00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: utilize that asset for cheap guy that would be a starter. Right,

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Speaker 1: So if you get, like, hey, some good team second

852
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: round pick, I guess a good team probably wouldn't be

853
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: likely to trade for him. But I don't know. I

854
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: honestly haven't really thought about his destination. That's probably more

855
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: of an offseason idea. I'm also hesitant to give him away.

856
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just such a great insurance policy for

857
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: perty now. I think you could also argue, like, well,

858
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: two of the last three years they've been in really

859
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: good shape. Donald didn't have to play, but like clearly

860
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: they would have won games with Donald if they had to,

861
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: and they were forced this year, and they won games

862
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: with mac Jones. But we also saw last year like

863
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: they it was a lot of like Dobbs and Kyle Allen,

864
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: and it's hard. It's not an easy game to play.

865
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: So I personally would be inclined to keep him unless

866
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I mean, if you get like

867
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: pick forty or something, Yeah, in your opinion, who's the

868
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: greatest tight end of all time? Kelsey may have the

869
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: postseason stats, but these last couple of years he has

870
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: been slowly falling off. I just want to bring up

871
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: his stats the last two years because I actually think

872
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: they look a lot better than the way people talk

873
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: about him. He by no means has been as bad,

874
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: I think as people think, because when you say fall off,

875
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna end this year with eighty catches probably one

876
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: thousand yards and six seven touchdowns, and even last year

877
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: he had ninety seven catches for eight hundred and twenty

878
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: three yards. Now relative to what he once was, I

879
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I mean, he's not near the

880
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: dominant force that he once was. I would say this

881
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: in my adult life watching this, you know, in the

882
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: last twenty plus years, twenty five years, because I think

883
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: if you go back to like the eighties and nineties,

884
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I just don't feel as confident discussing those players. You know,

885
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: obviously Shannon Sharp, you know, an all time great receiving

886
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: tight end. Same with Tony Gonzalez. I think he almost

887
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: had to put him in two categories, right, like most

888
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: running backs to be a Hall of Fame running back,

889
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: even if you're a pass catcher like Marshall Fall. No

890
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: one disputed that Marshall Fall could just carry the offense

891
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: between the tackles or outside the tackles, like carrying the ball.

892
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Same thing with Ladani and Thomlinson who is excellent catching

893
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: the ball. Same thing with McCaffrey, right, but like Adrian

894
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson also Hall of Famer, or will be like

895
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: catching wasn't his thing, Derrick Henry, same thing, like they

896
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: are true bell cow hand on the ball. I think

897
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: with tight ends there are little literally two styles. Right

898
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez, who Hall of Famer is you had to

899
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: have a blocking tight end on the roster. I forget

900
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: his first name, something done back in the day with

901
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, because Tony Gonzales, like wasn't holding the point

902
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: of attack on the edge to make sure that you

903
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: could run sweeps and outside you know runs right, So

904
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: like Kelsey is the same thing. And I think if

905
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: you break it into pass catching tight ends, Kelsey is

906
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: right there, if not the greatest, with that group of

907
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: great pass catch tight ends. And then they're like more

908
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: of your all around guy. And to me, Gronk in

909
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: his prime was an unstoppable force, and I would say

910
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Kittle is right behind Gronk of like being an all

911
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: around tight end. Now if you could get in their prime. Now,

912
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: part of those guys is like they get banged up

913
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more like George Kittle, Like there will

914
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: be games when he's pulling on defensive ends throughout the game,

915
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: right crushing line. They just ask him to have a

916
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: physical load that those other guys just aren't asked to do.

917
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: So I think you almost have to break it into

918
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: two categories. And you know, when you're a pass catching

919
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: tight end only not that Travis hasn't blocked, but that's

920
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: not his thing. It's almost like you're a DH, but

921
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: you're DH hitting sixty home runs right where the Gronks

922
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: and the Kelces they're essentially like a six offensive lineman.

923
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: So I would say over the course of the last

924
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: couple decades, it's pretty clear that it would be it

925
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: would be Tony Gonzalez, Travis Kelce, Cronkowski and George Kittle

926
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: are the other guys that stand out to me. I

927
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: think right now, George looks he looks like an unstoppable force.

928
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean physically, He's even said he's in the best

929
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: shape of his life. Be after the catch that you

930
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: get like part of Travis's after the catch was he

931
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: was like an NBA player. He was so fast, he

932
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: was so elusive, you know, Gronk and George like, buckle up, buddy,

933
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: because we are lower on our shoulder now. Gronk it

934
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: felt like he used to get up ended so often

935
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: and would get injured a lot. Remember, by the end

936
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: he had like a Barry Bonds brace on his elbow.

937
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: It just depends kind of the offense you want to run,

938
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: and like Travis Kelce is more suited for Andy Reid

939
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: and George Kittle's more suited for Kyle Shanahan. Right, pass

940
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: happy offense, run heavy offense. Is Michigan the most corrupt

941
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: athletic department of college sports? Well, I think we would

942
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: all agree with this. Sharon or made his bed, I

943
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: mean literally, Actually it wasn't his bed. It looked like

944
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: probably his office desk, because when you're sleeping with the assistant, like,

945
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: where do you think it's going down? Right? It ain't motels?

946
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: Maybe on the road, but during the week, these guys

947
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: work a lot, and if you're a programming like Michigan,

948
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: you ain't playing that many road games, so it's a

949
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: lot of action in the office. But if you would

950
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: have beaten Ohio State and they were in the playoffs,

951
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: do you think Sir On Moore would h be in jail?

952
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: Right?

953
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Now or whatever the hell that was. Were that thing

954
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: that went viral at the end of the week, No,

955
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: he would have not been fired. But that's also college athletics.

956
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: That's also sports, right, I mean, the name of the

957
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: game is to win, and when you don't or when

958
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: people think you aren't good enough, they're gonna look for

959
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: a reason. And the difference of college in the pros

960
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: is like they will start falling, tailing you around and boosters.

961
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: The other thing is when you here's where I would

962
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: back you up on the corrupt thing, when you're doing

963
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: what he was doing with someone in the office. Everyone knows.

964
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you how many people I've

965
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: texted over the course of the last week, like, oh yeah,

966
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: we were hearing rumors over the last month. These are

967
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: just like NFL scouts that go through Michigan four or

968
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: five days throughout the fall. People talk. I mean, football

969
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: is a lot like a high school. There aren't that

970
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: many people. Everyone kind of knows each other. Rumors spread

971
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: like wildfire, and listen, Jim Harbaugh is a pro guy,

972
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: So anytime you get into business with pro guys, they

973
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: don't view the rules. I don't take any of the

974
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: rules in college. Seriously, it's like, wait, this guy got

975
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: pinched for giving a guy a cheeseburger. I mean that

976
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: literally happened to Jim. Gave the guy some food, got

977
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: him maneuver right home. Like that's what we were talking about.

978
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: We're now like you can give you know, Bryce Underwood

979
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: what signed a twenty million dollar contract? So most corrupt?

980
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Probably not. They're just no different. They're all the same.

981
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: They are all the same. If you're winning, we will

982
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: look by everything. The moment we don't win, we're gonna

983
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: have problems, or the moment people that control the money

984
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: which leads us to winning start going. We don't want

985
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: this guy to coach. We have to pivot. But if

986
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: you think he was getting fired if he beats Ohio State,

987
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: I just I would just adamantly disagree. I don't give

988
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: a shit what they say. No one believes that if

989
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: you would have won the game and they were playing

990
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: this week against you know who they have played, maybe

991
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: they would have played Oklahoma, Michigan, Oklahoma. He's coaching the

992
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: game looking ahead to the draft, which teams will be

993
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: looking to draft for Nando Mendozo. I go for the Browns,

994
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: and I'm really hoping we build a team around Sanders.

995
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: Just don't see that happening with the jackass Stefanski. What

996
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: would you do if you were the Browns if Jimmy

997
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: HASLM did picture door over Stefanski? Is there a world

998
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: where he would hire Dion to be the head coach?

999
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: Sign me up for that. I mean, sign me up

1000
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: for that. If he hired Dion Sanders, that would be

1001
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean, as a someone that talks about football for

1002
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: a living, I'm in now. Can you fire Stefanski? A

1003
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: guy that's a two time Coach of the Year for

1004
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: Dion who I would say this year was an absolute

1005
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: debacle at Colorado? Uh, probably not so I'd be But

1006
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: you never put anything past Jimmy. If the Browns have

1007
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick, which weird things happen these

1008
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Now granted they let's look at

1009
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: the draft order right now. I think it's the Giants, right.

1010
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: The good thing if you're the brown if you're a

1011
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: team that is thinking about doing a cour you know,

1012
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback, the Giants and the Titans are one

1013
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: and two. Well, the Giants are not taking a quarterback

1014
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: and the Titans given that they just hired the dude

1015
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: from the Chiefs Borganzi and then he drafted cam Ward.

1016
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: You would think, no matter what, even if they go

1017
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: we like Fernando Mendoza coming out of college better than

1018
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: cam Ward, which I would imagine most people in the

1019
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: NFL do a little cleaner of a prospect in terms

1020
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: of his play. I mean, cam does make some nice plays,

1021
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: but sometimes, like what is going on? Hard to pin

1022
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: it at all? If any on him. I mean, the

1023
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: organization is a disaster, but I would say cam Ward's

1024
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: on scholarship next year, like he's getting next year no

1025
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: matter what. So then you got the Raiders who would

1026
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: definitely draft him. You got the Cardinals, I would say

1027
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: they would definitely draft them, and you got the Browns

1028
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: and you got the Jets. So depending on how this

1029
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: shakes out, Like if one of those teams not named

1030
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: the Browns get the number one pick, you don't even

1031
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. Now, if it's the Giants

1032
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: and the Titans in some order one or two. Would

1033
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: the brown that have the Jags pick because of the

1034
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter trade, would they trade up to get Fernando

1035
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: Mendoza or would their owner be like Hey, just give

1036
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: Shador a season, and not even necessarily about Shador, but

1037
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: let's just keep building up this team. This team is

1038
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: horrendous and maybe trains Miles Garrett and just kind of

1039
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: restart this whole thing. My guess right now if they

1040
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: do not get the number one overall pick, because I

1041
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: think if they get the number one overall pick, they

1042
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: will one hundred percent drafted quarterback and Shador Sanders probably

1043
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: be on a different team next year because he's not

1044
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna be the backup. He's just too famous of a

1045
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: guy to a rookie quarterback. So my guess right now,

1046
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: assuming they don't get the number one pick, is that

1047
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders the quarterback room is like Shadoor, Dylan Gabriel,

1048
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson, which sounds crazy, but I mean, there

1049
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: have been reports he's gonna come back, and part of

1050
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: it is financial. It's like you can't cut him and

1051
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: take like a one hundred million dollar dead cap hit.

1052
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Might as well just roll it back. I guess if

1053
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: he's matured or something, so I do think you'll probably

1054
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: be safe and Chador more than likely will be the

1055
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: starting quarterback or have an opportunity. I mean it did

1056
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: not go well on Saturday. He still got some games

1057
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: left to be in a competition. I mean he even

1058
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: have a competition. Maybe there's just a competition with him

1059
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: and Gabriel assuming Stefanski's gone. But even if his fancy's gone,

1060
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: are a lot of people trying to get this job.

1061
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know what to make

1062
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: of the Browns at this point. I just know their

1063
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: organization is a complete train wreck. And that's not Shador's fault.

1064
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he came to a place that's some embarrassment.

1065
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: As a Packer fan. Where do I go from here?

1066
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: Our season is over? Making the divisional round would be great.

1067
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: At this point, it feels like I'm about to watch

1068
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: a lame duck team limp into Cancun. So what should

1069
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: I do now with the extra time? Any ideas? Injuries suck?

1070
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, football, This isn't the NBA right where Micah

1071
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: Parsons would be like losing Luca or something or Steph

1072
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: you would be You'd have no shot right to do

1073
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: anything in the playoffs. Football's one game, and I look today,

1074
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: you're favored against the Bears in Chicago. Now, part of

1075
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: that might just be history. But part of it is

1076
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: like your defense is still really good. You know, we'll

1077
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: see the news over the course of the week on

1078
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Christian Watson. You still got Josh Jacobs, you did, I think,

1079
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: get a couple offensive linemen injured, But it's not inconceivable

1080
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: that you could win that game. And then if you

1081
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: win the game, if you just win like one of

1082
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: your last two, and maybe the Bears like lose of

1083
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: the Niners, all of a sudden, you win the division.

1084
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: So I think you gotta be careful about just saying

1085
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: our season's over it now. Are you going to win

1086
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: the super Bowl without Micah Parsons? Probably not right. I

1087
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: think we would agree your super Bowl chances got dramatically impacted.

1088
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: Can you still win the division? Yes? Can you still

1089
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and beat a team in the first round.

1090
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, you went into Dallas, no

1091
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: one thought you would win, and you smoked them. So

1092
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: I think you gotta be careful about like your season

1093
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: is over. I said that yesterday, but I meant from

1094
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: I had to ticket on them going to the super Bowl.

1095
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: I just think that's pretty unrealistic. Now, could they win

1096
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: a playoff game one hundred percent the team they're gonna

1097
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: roll out. We have seen teams way worse historically win

1098
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: playoff games. That's a fact. So I would just I

1099
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: would just try to enjoy these little less expectations. You

1100
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: don't need to, you know, watch these games on the

1101
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: edge of your seat. But how sweet would it be

1102
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: to sweep the Bears, especially go into Chicago after I mean,

1103
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: micah this year has been one of the best players

1104
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: in the league, So it's it's a devastating blow. But

1105
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: now there's a lot of pressure on your defensive coordinator,

1106
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: on your offensive coordinator. And think in football like you

1107
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: just never know. I mean, coaching plays a huge part. Schemes,

1108
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: trick plays. Maybe you bust out like a fake punt.

1109
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 1: With Mahomes out at least half of next year, does

1110
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: that all but ensure Kelsey retires. Some thought he might

1111
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: have another year left if he didn't want to end

1112
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: it this way. But if Mahomes isn't playing, I don't

1113
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: see him coming back. I think it's impossible to even guess.

1114
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: If you told me, you know, there were some complications

1115
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: and they played it safe and he just doesn't play

1116
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: next year, I could see it. If you told me

1117
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: that he is cleared and ready to go week one.

1118
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: I can see it. I just think it's a great unknown.

1119
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: We have no clue how many games they'll miss. I mean,

1120
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: at one point in time, we thought Joe Burrow most

1121
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: people thought like, oh, he's not coming back, and he

1122
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: came back like seven games left, so you know, it

1123
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: came back on Thanksgiving. A lot of people talked originally

1124
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: when he got injured, Joe Burrow's not gonna be back

1125
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: to the middle of December. So I think with these injuries,

1126
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: everyone's body is different. I can't even begin to assume

1127
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: when he's gonna come back. I also think we're gonna

1128
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: learn a lot these next couple of weeks with Travis.

1129
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's very prideful player. I saw

1130
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: a clip of his podcast with Jason him kind of

1131
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: losing it in frustration after that play who wasn't against

1132
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: oh the Texans yet play where he dropped the ball

1133
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: and they picked that kind of ended the game, you know,

1134
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: I think, and he said, like, I've never had an

1135
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: issue of like working through situations and just grinding and

1136
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: working and things always work out for me. And this year,

1137
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it's just not so I mean usually

1138
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: that's like well father time, as most people say, I mean,

1139
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: it's a fact, is undefeated. You get older, you're not

1140
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: quite as crisp. Players around you feel a little faster

1141
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: because you're not quite as fast. But I would say,

1142
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: sitting here right now, for those of us that just

1143
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: follow football and follow kind of the directions of stories,

1144
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: I'd be a little surprised if Travis Kelce does not

1145
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: retire this offseason. I think if Gardner Minchew starts the

1146
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: next three games, which all signs point to him doing,

1147
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: how hard are the Chiefs trying? You know, are they

1148
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: putting guys on ice like as Chris Jones just playing

1149
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: out the string? Is Travis Kelce? Is there a chance

1150
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: that he announces his retirement over the next couple of

1151
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: weeks and kind of gets a sendoff at home, because

1152
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: that would be something to keep an eye on their schedule.

1153
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: Here is at the Titans versus the Broncos, at the Raiders,

1154
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: so maybe that Bronco game. It's almost like I announced before,

1155
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: like I'm going to retire at the end of this year,

1156
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: so they can kind of, you know, throw him a

1157
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: party and have a moment for not just one of

1158
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: the greatest players in franchise history, but one of the

1159
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: great players in the league history, and obviously one of

1160
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,959
Speaker 1: the most important players on one of the most import

1161
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: or teams of the Internet era. So let's just keep

1162
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: an eye over the next seven ish days if something

1163
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: breaks of, Like you know, Travis has told everyone he

1164
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: intends to retire, this is gonna be his last home

1165
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: game in Kansas City, because I think if I'm him

1166
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: and I had been on the fence, this might push

1167
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: me over, but I would that place. That's an easy

1168
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: way to kind of like have a pretty cool moment

1169
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: in a shitty season. Maybe Moms comes out in a wheelchair.

1170
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: Can we put some dog gone inner Philip rivers respect

1171
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: on Herbert's name and more so the Chargers as a whole.

1172
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: These have been back to back weeks. They've battled in

1173
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: ugly games and beat the two teams in the last

1174
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: year Super Bowl. Herbert is stiff, arming dudes with a

1175
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: broken hand. The defense is lights out. I'm tired of

1176
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: the media making us storylines of these games being so

1177
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: and so lost opposed to the Chargers. Well, here's the thing.

1178
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: The Eagles losing to you with a quarterback with a

1179
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: broken hand, no offensive line was a pretty big story.

1180
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: The Chiefs not going to the playoffs for the first

1181
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: time in eleven years, obviously for the first time with

1182
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: Mahomes not being in minimum in the AFC Championship game,

1183
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: let alone the Super Bowl is a massive story. Now.

1184
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: Part of it is like you're the charters. So when

1185
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: you play teams like the Chiefs or the Eagles and

1186
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: something crazy happens on their end, they're just a bigger story.

1187
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: But Jim Harbaugh is Listen, anyone with the brain before

1188
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: Harbaugh got there knew Herbert was a stud. But anyone

1189
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: arguing that Herbert was overrated or listen. Obviously he had

1190
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: a bad playoff moment against the Jacks. No one argued

1191
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: that his coach is also Brandon Staley, who was like

1192
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: running defenses where guys were wide open. Jim Harbaugh is

1193
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches of his era. He's one

1194
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: of the rare guys if he ends up winning a Super

1195
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: Bowl in the NFL to do both. I mean, we've

1196
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: seen guys go to college to the pros and be like, God,

1197
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: there's a fish out of water. Sabin Steve Spurrier, who

1198
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: are an All time great college coach and save as

1199
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: a great college coach of all time. And we've seen

1200
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: the reverse. Urban Meyer didn't even make it through a

1201
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: year in the NFL. So you know, look at Chip Kelly,

1202
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: I'd say, a pretty big flame out in the National

1203
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: Football League over the course of his career. And I

1204
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: just think that Harball's a legend, man. I saw it

1205
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: firsthand when I lived in the Bay Area when he

1206
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 1: was coaching the Niners. He's just he's nuts, but he's

1207
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: freaking elite. He's I know his brother has a Super

1208
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: Bowl and he doesn't. I think he's better than his brother.

1209
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: And I feel pretty confidently about arguing that. Now, if

1210
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: you want to base on the one game in the

1211
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, John beat him, no one can argue that.

1212
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: But if you gave me just all teams were even,

1213
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: I would take Jim seven days a week over John Harbaugh.

1214
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you can find a Raven fan right

1215
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: now that wouldn't want Jim Harbaugh to be the coach.

1216
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,479
Speaker 1: I mean, even look at Greg Groman gets Greg Roman.

1217
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: They passed all the time. Now, one thing that you

1218
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: always get with Jim too, despite being a quarterback like John,

1219
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: is a defensive guy. Right. He was a special team's

1220
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: defensive guy with Jim Johnson with the Eagles before he

1221
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: got hired with the Ravens. Jim's a quarterback, yet his

1222
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: teams always run the ball and play defense. I just

1223
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,959
Speaker 1: think Jim's a superstar. And it got a little weird

1224
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: there for a minute to Michigan, but by the end

1225
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: he's winning the Nattie and his record with the Niners

1226
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: speaks for itself. And beside this, in the internet era

1227
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: starting in two thousand, Kyle's the only other guy that

1228
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: won there and Stanford, Like we talk a lot about

1229
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: what happened in Indiana, now what he's done in Indiana

1230
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: overall he's the number one seed is more impressive than

1231
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: what Jim did. But when he took over Stanford they

1232
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: were one and eleven. By the time they left, they

1233
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: were in a BCS game, And when he handed the

1234
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: program off to David Shaw, one of his assistant coaches,

1235
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: they were like a top five team for like five

1236
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: straight years winning Rose Bulls. So Jim Harbaugh, I saw him.

1237
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: I remember going to a game where I grew up

1238
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: in Davis, that's right by Sacramento, as a school called

1239
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: UC Davis and at the time they were Division it

1240
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: was Division two. They weren't even D one Double A.

1241
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: I think, so they used to play the University of

1242
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: San Diego. Maybe they were one Double A. I forget

1243
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: when they exactly moved up, but they played this University

1244
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: of San Diego. And I remember my dad was home

1245
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving from cal Poly and he's like, you want

1246
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: to go to a football game on Saturday, Yeah, let's go.

1247
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: He was a big My dad loved UC Davis. He

1248
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: would have been pretty fired up. They were on ESPN

1249
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: last week and kind of got worked, actually did get worked.

1250
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: They could they couldn't stop the run. They had like

1251
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: almost three hundred yards running on them. But their coach

1252
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: actually is pretty impressive guy. Former quarterback UC Davis worked

1253
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: at Boise State and I think at cal Or Oregon.

1254
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: Like he's got a pretty good resume. He's the guy

1255
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Tim Plow. I think his

1256
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: name is Jim Harbaugh rolled in with Josh Johnson and

1257
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: they didn't lose, and I don't think they lost that season,

1258
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: and then he got immediately hired to Stafford and the

1259
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: rest history. So I think the story is just Jim

1260
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh is a freaking stud To get

1261
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: this team to the playoffs given the injuries they've had

1262
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: is pretty it's pretty unreal in your quarterback, I don't

1263
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: think I mean, who doesn't think Justin Herbert is good?

1264
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: I just don't understand where that contingent was ever created. Like,

1265
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: do we both watch football? Because if we do, like

1266
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: you can't really have that argument. You should talk NBA

1267
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: just top events. I know your specialty is not in

1268
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: quote the arena, but I'd love to hear your views

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Speaker 1: on the NBA. I was thinking about this because when

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Speaker 1: I usually take screenshots to kind of corral the dms

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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna talk about before I do it, so

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Speaker 1: it does it's easier to do than just scroll through

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Speaker 1: the Instagram app. I love the NBA growing up. I

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Speaker 1: mean I grew up right by the Sacramento Kings. I

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Speaker 1: was probably twenty minutes away from Marco Arena. Grew up

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Speaker 1: in Michael Jordan era. Obviously the two thousand Kobe shack

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Speaker 1: you name it through you know, Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, Draymond.

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Speaker 1: I went to a bunch of those games when when

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Speaker 1: I lived in the area and did radio. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've watched an NBA game this year. I mean

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Speaker 1: I've seen bits and pieces, but like I've never in

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Speaker 1: my entire life watched less. And part of it is

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Speaker 1: you get older, you do this for a living. I

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Speaker 1: spend so much time watching football the couple quote unquote

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Speaker 1: off nights I have, like I just can't watch sports

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Speaker 1: really on like Tuesday or Wednesday. Right, we're probably doing

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Speaker 1: other stuff kind of especially I'm having a child now.

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Speaker 1: I do kind of keep up with the league, like

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Speaker 1: I'll listen to like Simmons or Winhorse, but I just

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Speaker 1: don't watch it anymore. I mean I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this during the baseball season and the World Series was incredible.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've been glued the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: to baseball playoffs. I don't think I watched nine innings

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Speaker 1: of a baseball game all season long total. And I

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Speaker 1: grew up. I love the San Fransco Giants that they

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Speaker 1: were by far right there with the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: is my favorite team as a kid. And Barry Bonds,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you grew up where I grew up,

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Speaker 1: he was like Jesus with a bat, and we didn't

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Speaker 1: care that he did steroids. We just wanted him to

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Speaker 1: bombs and I just don't care. I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: like something has left me where part of it is.

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Speaker 1: I just I can't. I just don't get to watch

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Speaker 1: it as much. I just found out the NBA Cup

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Speaker 1: just finished. I didn't even know what was going on. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be the first to admit I just

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Speaker 1: don't watch as much. I watched more college basketball this

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Speaker 1: year than I have the NBA. Even like the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: I kind of follow him through like the ESPN dot

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Speaker 1: com app on my phone. I'll just say, oh, I'll

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Speaker 1: just kind of watch.

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Speaker 2: It that way. No, granted, they're they're not very good.

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Speaker 1: During the Bill's Patriot game yesterday, we saw the difference

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Speaker 1: between a battle tested quarterback and won with incredible potential

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Speaker 1: From the human side. I can only imagine Drake was

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Speaker 1: up all night thinking about that game. Do you think

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Speaker 1: young football obsessed players like him latch onto moments like

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Speaker 1: this as motivation, inspiration and place a chip on their shoulder,

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Speaker 1: especially for future matchups against the same team. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Drake May has played a more important or meaningful

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Speaker 1: game in the NFL career than this one up to date,

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Speaker 1: keep it up. It was by far the biggest game

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Speaker 1: of his life. Like this guy didn't play at LSU

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Speaker 1: or didn't play at Ohio State or Michigan. This guy

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Speaker 1: played at North Carolina. So like North Carolina, North Carolina State,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina Duke like he's never it's the biggest game

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Speaker 1: of his life. And partly they could have won the division.

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Speaker 1: When you're young, you're gonna lose. That's part of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: They were an underdog against the Bills. They have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: who's the reigning MVP, who Drake May aspires to one

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01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: day be like eighty five ninety as good as if

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Speaker 1: he is, he'll be a lock Hall of Famer. So

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Speaker 1: it was tough that there's no one disputing or arguing that.

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Speaker 1: But like I think, part of it, and this is

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Speaker 1: why you pay Mike Vrabel so much money, is to

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Speaker 1: calm everyone down. You know people say this, and you

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01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: know there's so many people that have played or worked

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Speaker 1: for Nick Saban that now you know, do podcasts or

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Speaker 1: work in the media. They all say Nick was awesome.

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Speaker 1: After losses. After wins is where you gotta keep your

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: head on a swivel because he is on everyone's ass

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Speaker 1: after losses. That's where it's like, hey, guys, everything's gonna

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Speaker 1: be okay. They have two bad drives at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game, which is partly on Josh McDaniels. Right,

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Speaker 1: you gotta call some runs, settle the kid down spot

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01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: for Drake may right, who clearly was just a little

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Speaker 1: off at the end of the game. The whole offense was,

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Speaker 1: but they still got by. No means like, this is

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Speaker 1: part of the NFL too. It's not even just like

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Speaker 1: you go in the lab chip on your shoulder. It's like, bro,

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Speaker 1: we got a huge game this week. We're playing the

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Speaker 1: Ravens on what day is that that Sunday night? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night football. Like that's I can't really dwell on

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Speaker 1: this motivation. I gotta lock back in whatever we screwed

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: up at I gotta focus on. But we gotta win

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Speaker 1: this game because all of a sudden we lose. We

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Speaker 1: got the Ravens, the Jets, and the Dolphins, so we

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Speaker 1: should win two of the last three. Now I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this before Monday Night Football, so we'll see how the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins look. The Bills, who are one game behind them

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Speaker 1: have the Browns, then they host the Eagles, and they

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Speaker 1: get the Jets. So I mean, I I think there's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that the Bills can run the table.

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Speaker 1: Now the Patriots, if they win this game, I think

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Speaker 1: most people will think they'll run the table. But if

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Speaker 1: they lose, like it's it's hard, you know, it's pretty difficult.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you went from we could have

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Speaker 1: won the division December fifteenth to now might come down

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Speaker 1: to week eighteen. We got to win just to hold

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Speaker 1: serve and you know, I don't know what the tiebreaker is,

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Speaker 1: but to just you know, be the five seed. So

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Speaker 1: things can change quickly. And you know, speaking of the

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Speaker 1: Patriot Bills game, it's sometimes when you're playing Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: right now, unless you have the eighty five Bears defense,

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Speaker 1: when he gets on a heater, there is no stopping him.

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Speaker 1: He's the best player in the world at playing NFL football.

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Speaker 1: There's not even I don't even think there's a close

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Speaker 1: second right now. So that's not on Drake may right

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Speaker 1: that Josh Allen could not be stopped. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it it's really important this week for Mike Rabel

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Speaker 1: and Josh who you know, for a lot of Josh's career,

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Speaker 1: especially over the last like ten years, right from like

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Speaker 1: two thousand whenever he came back in like twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: twelve range, once Bill O'Brien went to Penn State and

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Speaker 1: up until he left to the Raiders, it was a

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Speaker 1: lot of Tom Brady, right, and even his one year

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01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: that with the rookie year Mac Jones, no one thought

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Speaker 1: they were going very far. This Patriot team is like,

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Speaker 1: h this Patriot team could win the Super Bowl, definitely

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Speaker 1: could win the AFC, could have been the one seat,

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Speaker 1: and now you kind of get brought down to earth.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Vrabel as a player and as a coach,

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Speaker 1: ton of experience and Josh same thing. To me, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of on them to dial in with Drake and

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: be like everything's gonna be okay. We can't dwell on

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Speaker 1: those last couple drives that were disaster And if I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: I put it on me like those are terrible play calls.

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01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 1: I should have called maybe a draw, a quick screen,

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Speaker 1: something to just make it easy on everyone instead of

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: having you drop five seven step scramble around like it

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: was dumb. It was my fault. I'm not coaching Tom Brady. Here,

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Speaker 1: I'm coaching a second year guy from North Carolina who

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Speaker 1: up until the last month has just not played in

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: big games his entire life. So part of when you

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Speaker 1: draft a player like Drake May and you go all

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Speaker 1: in on a guy high in the draft, you're not

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Speaker 1: just drafting the talent, right, he's tall, he's got a

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: big arm, he threws a nice deep ball. You're also

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: drafting the character. And you hear that word use a lot.

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: To me, character is like the wiring, how you know,

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01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to mental toughness, when it comes to drive,

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01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to focus, and once you believe in

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01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: that human being, you believe that he can handle stuff

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01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: like this because that was a tough loss and it's

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: easy for him even though it's not his fault to

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01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: put it on his shoulders. It was my fault. And

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: that's why in this sport that is so you know,

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01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: predicated on the coaches chess, you know, and using the

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: players like it's coaches are stars for reason because they're

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01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: calling the plays. They're the ones putting the players in

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01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: positions to make plays. You know, we've seen a lot

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: of great players play for bad coaches. And look terrible, right,

1423
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: because schemes and play calls can impact guy's talents. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's very, very important this week for Vrabel

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: obviously to get his team refocused and specifically Josh, to

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01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: not let Drake May kind of unravel a little bit, right,

1427
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 1: because it was going so well ended up a blink

1428
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: of an eye. This league is so competitive and you're playing,

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01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, the Bills who've won a shitload of games

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01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: over the course of the last five six years, Like

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01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: that's not their first rodeo. That was this Patriot team's

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01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: first rodeo, and it kind of, you know, came to

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01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: fruition as the game went on. So I think the

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01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: guy that really needs to zone in is honestly less

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: Drake May and more Josh and take accountability of Like

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Speaker 1: those are some awful play calls down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: The volume