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Speaker 1: My engagement ring is my fiance's family's prize, family heirloom,

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Speaker 1: and now they're trying to steal it back.

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Speaker 2: But I have a plan.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like Nick Cage and national treasure. We must steal

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Speaker 3: the declaration of your family's loves.

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Speaker 1: We must steal the family jewels. Nick Cage is an

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Speaker 1: expert in family jewels.

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Speaker 3: That is, oh yes, and an expert actor.

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Speaker 2: The greatest actor of all time.

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Speaker 3: Greatest actor of all time. Tell me different right now?

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Speaker 2: Put some respect on his name.

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Speaker 1: So, I, thirty one female, recently lost my fiance, thirty

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Speaker 1: seven male Jake. We've been together for six years and

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Speaker 1: his death was unexpected and I'm still in mourning. Oh

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Speaker 1: that is awful. At the funeral, which I arranged and

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Speaker 1: paid for, his brother, thirty two Male Jim, asked me

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Speaker 1: when I'm going to return the engagement ring to the family.

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Speaker 3: Oh, not the time, bro.

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Speaker 1: Jim Jim Jim Jim Jim. There was a time and

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Speaker 1: a place is that. I don't even know if there's

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Speaker 1: a time. I don't even know if the time and

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Speaker 1: place for this?

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Speaker 3: Like wow, but at least don't do it at the

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Speaker 3: con funeral.

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Speaker 1: I had a minimum. My God, Now for context. The

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Speaker 1: engagement ring, which Jake proposed, is an ancient family heirloom. Ancient, ancient, ancient,

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Speaker 1: like like thousands of years old. I'm just imagining like

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Speaker 1: maybe like the Mayan calendar, but like on a ring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 3: Or like a little uh sun dial all the time,

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Speaker 3: that'd be cool. Yeah, you know, who needs a watch?

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Speaker 3: I don't Sundale on my wrist.

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Speaker 1: Baby.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: It's a gorgeous ring, but what makes it priceless is

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Speaker 1: the story behind it. Jake got the ring from his

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Speaker 1: grandma a month after we started dating. He claimed he

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Speaker 1: knew back then that he would marry me someday and

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Speaker 1: wanted to get his grandma's blessing on the ring. When

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Speaker 1: he proposed, his grandma had already passed away, so having

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Speaker 1: the blessings put on the ring made it extra special

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Speaker 1: for the both of us. I asked Jim if he's serious,

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Speaker 1: to which he said yes.

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Speaker 3: Jim is a dick.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, his longtime girlfriend Pam No no, no, no ower,

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Speaker 1: Jim would never do this.

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Speaker 3: No Jim our. Jim is a good guy, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Apparently his longtime girlfriend Stacy saw the ring a while

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Speaker 1: ago and fell in love with it?

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Speaker 2: And what's with all these.

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Speaker 3: Women falling in love with other people's rings?

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Speaker 1: Literally, you want a giant diamond? Oh my gosh, I saw,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I had this whole vision of ball.

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Speaker 1: You had a vision of owning a giant diamond. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was your be real. You're gold digging, You're diamond digging,

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Speaker 1: my diamond digging. You want blood diamonds?

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Speaker 2: You know how? Tap in the dirt? You gotta go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are.

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Speaker 2: You are scum, You are dirt.

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Speaker 3: You are dirt. You're worse than dirt.

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Speaker 1: She kept nagging him to get something similar, which he

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Speaker 1: couldn't because Jim Bob is freaking broke.

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Speaker 3: Jim Bob is a dirty, dirty boy, that's right. Can't

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Speaker 3: even afford dirt. Go dig for some diamonds, Jim Bob,

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Speaker 3: Jim Doug. All he found was a potato. He proposed

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Speaker 3: to me. We if all they found was.

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Speaker 1: A ring, pop not good enough, Jim, He figured, since

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Speaker 1: I can no longer marry Jake, he can propose to

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Speaker 1: Stacy with it. I told him that he is rude

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Speaker 1: and that the ring was blessed especially for Jake and

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Speaker 1: I in mind, and even if that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 1: Bringing it up during Jake's funeral is incredibly disrespectful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah correct.

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Speaker 1: Come on, after the funeral, I got a message from

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Speaker 1: Stacy saying it would.

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Speaker 2: Mean the world for her to be the new owner

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Speaker 2: of the ring.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's my precious of give it to me.

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Speaker 1: The powers ass I've blown?

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Speaker 3: That's so good?

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Speaker 2: Oh God?

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Speaker 1: And I could always think of her in Jim's wedding

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Speaker 1: as the bitter sweet ending to my relationship.

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Speaker 2: Why would you want to do that? How are people?

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Speaker 3: You out of touch?

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Speaker 2: Lady? Who are you? What? What planet? Dude?

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Speaker 3: She was birthed in the fires of mortal God and

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Speaker 3: freaking only once after this.

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Speaker 1: Being she said, the ring was blessed so one of

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Speaker 1: the grandsons can marry the love of his life, and

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Speaker 1: since Jim is the only living grandson left, he has

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Speaker 1: to claim it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so you know what ipe he did?

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Speaker 3: What I blocked her? Bam, your h messages go into oblivion?

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Speaker 3: How about that huh?

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Speaker 1: Into a trash can where you were belong So my

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Speaker 1: ex mother in law also reached out to me and

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Speaker 1: said that although she understands my pain, I can't keep

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Speaker 1: the ring since it's a family heirloom, so I should

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Speaker 1: suck it up and give it to Jim.

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Speaker 3: I mean it kind of sounds like though it is

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Speaker 3: hers now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have to and maybe we'll learn later,

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Speaker 1: but I have to wonder legally if you propose to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's theirs.

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Speaker 1: I have to imagine, I have to image, and it's

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Speaker 2: So I feel like if it could, Judge would be

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Speaker 2: like he gave it to her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, finders keepers all right, gifters gift gift gifters, takers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I snapped and told her no, the ring is

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Speaker 1: staying with me and following with me, and it's following

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Speaker 1: me to the grave if need be. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 1: symbol of Jake's love, and I won't let Jim and

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Speaker 1: Stacy solely the memory of him.

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Speaker 3: Good for you, girl, Yeah, yeah, I think that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: The ring is legally mined, okay, perfect. Yeah, So all

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Speaker 3: they can do is cry about it and be bitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: go cry about it in a freaking hole.

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Speaker 2: Shut up.

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Speaker 1: They keep harassing me on social media saying I'm a

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Speaker 1: bad person, and then I stole the family heirloom to

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Speaker 1: spite Jim and Stacy out of jealousy what it was

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Speaker 1: given to her, jealousy of what being poor, being alive,

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Speaker 2: But I ignore them.

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Speaker 1: Today I met up with my brother and he said

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Speaker 1: that although Jim's approach was highly inappropriate, I'm being selfish

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Speaker 1: for keeping the ring as a keepsake. I could always

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Speaker 1: but they could never replace an heirloom that's been in

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Speaker 1: the family for generation. I'm now back home and I

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Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about it. Up until this point, I

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Speaker 1: a whole? There is a little bit of an update,

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Speaker 1: But that's the question. Would you give back your dead

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Speaker 3: Well, if she got married to the dude, what would

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Speaker 3: happen to the ring? I was wondering that did she

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Speaker 3: after she like? Does she give the back the ring

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Speaker 3: after the engagement is gone through? I it's such as

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Speaker 3: if she doesn't give it back in that case, and

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Speaker 3: I would say she should be able to keep it.

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Speaker 3: But if she did, but if she does have to

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean I have to So here's the thing too,

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Speaker 1: like obviously no one was, including including the husband, was

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Speaker 1: I gave it to you planning to be married for life,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like legally it's also hers, So it's

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Speaker 1: that the fact that it is a family heirloomit maybe

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Speaker 1: it has like ancient history beyond significance. I I you know,

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Speaker 1: I do see where it's like odd, dang, that does

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Speaker 2: I kind of get that, you know, But.

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Speaker 3: Well, was she gonna be like totally exiting from there?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they don't have any kids, so

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Speaker 3: it's like they can't like pass it down.

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Speaker 2: Don't have any kids. I mean, I mean there's plenty.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, it's a little tricky.

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Speaker 1: It's a little tricky because also we've read plenty of

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Speaker 1: stories where like the in law's family was actually like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the fact, like what Jim did

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Speaker 3: this is not quite the same thing. But if they

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine in the divorce like legal procedure,

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Speaker 2: That is an asset at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we're talking like purely from a legal perspective,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if he, the dead fiance, would want

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like it because if he got

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Speaker 1: it the first month they started dating asked for the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I could, I could. I could easily

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Speaker 1: keep it. I'm looking through some of the Reddit comments.

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Speaker 1: This is like the highlighted one. You were family enough

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Speaker 1: to pay for the funeral, so op, he paid for

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Speaker 1: the funeral. The family did not. Oh wow, you were

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Speaker 1: family enough to have your grandmother's blessing. You were family

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Speaker 1: enough to your partner. The ring is yours, op. The

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Speaker 1: to bless If you choose otherwise, do it makes you happy?

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Speaker 2: Not the a whole?

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Speaker 3: I think I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think so too.

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Speaker 1: Again, I do see that it's almost like the unintended consequence,

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the family does not have this like family heirloom, yeah,

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Speaker 1: in their position anymore. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: got the blessing from the grandmother, Yeah, yeah, had it before, gave.

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Speaker 3: It to Jake, and it was really gifted to her

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Speaker 3: and legally it is her legally is yeah. So I

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Speaker 3: don't know, but I want to know what all of

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Speaker 3: y'all think. What would you do in this situation? Would

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Speaker 3: you keep the heirloom? Would you give it back? Would

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Speaker 3: you be mad if you gave someone your heirloom and

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Speaker 3: then when you died from beyond the grave, Yeah, would

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Speaker 3: you be mad from beyond the grave if you were

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Speaker 3: the dead fiancees. That's right position. But we love hearing

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Speaker 3: our public subscribers. On the video, coworker says, I boned

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Speaker 3: his wife and it's a story where Opie's co worker

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Speaker 3: Catriona said, any woman letting another man hang around all

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Speaker 1: Of your thoughts on that, John, I totally see where

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Speaker 1: Katriona is coming from. I think in the majority of

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Speaker 1: I totally think that those friendships and dynamics can't exist. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like men and women can be friends one thousand percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then Jenna be says, holy crap. The reddit rabbit hole.

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Speaker 3: I went down on that first story before continuing, I

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Speaker 3: would not be surprised if we hear that Robert killed

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Speaker 3: some point in the future. We wouldn't be surprised either.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for commenting. We love the comments

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Speaker 2: Love you.

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Speaker 3: I will not stop screaming from the rooftops that my

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Speaker 2: Maybe if you if you yodel.

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Speaker 3: It, Yeah, yoda, we got a kidnapper on the lark

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Speaker 3: Green Corolla.

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Speaker 2: Maa mom, I stole my kid and know I mean.

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Speaker 3: That is what I am mad and I'm mad.

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Speaker 2: Yo, yoda.

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Speaker 3: We should we should become professional yodelers. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think everyone love that and will not angrily comment

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Speaker 3: something definitely terrible.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's read this whole story in a Yoda yodel.

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Speaker 1: Oh they love that John, He'll be their favorite thing. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you friends on the internet. Firstly, sorry, this is

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Speaker 1: on mobile and a throwaway throw away a cab. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I female thirty two emigrated to my husband's thirty nine

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Speaker 2: It's adorable.

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Speaker 3: My mother, fifty two, has always been controlling and frankly,

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Speaker 3: is a typical narcissist. She was dead against my moving

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Speaker 3: we cheated her out of a special time with her

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Speaker 2: How dare you?

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Speaker 1: How dare you start a pandemic so I can't see

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Speaker 3: How dare you you? You have sexual intercourse during the

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Speaker 3: only time that we've been locked up with each other

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Speaker 3: four months on end. Hey, what do you expect him

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Speaker 2: Close your sausage cave?

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Speaker 3: No, No, that cave is wide open.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't exactly excited about her coming to visit us,

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: From the moment she arrived, she complained, our house is

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Speaker 3: She complained that my son didn't want a hugger, that

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Speaker 2: He knows what it's like? Oh want you grimmy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Also it's like, oh PE's mother, It's not like

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Speaker 3: how you know this mother is awful when op is

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Speaker 3: And so I told her not to do that and

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Speaker 3: me I have no idea how to raise a kid.

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Speaker 3: It's like, bro, sometimes the old methods aren't aren't really

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Speaker 1: Also, also when it's like your own child is telling you,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I told her she needs to respect my methods

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Speaker 3: or she can freaking leave. She stopped, but the whole

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Speaker 3: rest of the day you could tell she was furious. Sure,

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Speaker 3: this mother sounds like a piece of work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That night, my son was having one of those nights

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Speaker 3: was farting up a storm. When my son settled around

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Speaker 2: What can go wrong?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're They're all sleep and happy family. All good.

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Speaker 3: I was gone for twenty minutes, but when I came back,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: come on? He was shocked as I was that they

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Speaker 2: Oh where to go? Oh my gosh, I'm so surprised.

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Speaker 3: I tried my mother's mobile, but no answer. After forty

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Speaker 3: who came out very fast, and when I explained as above,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like I mean, you could definitely. I

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Speaker 1: But I bet there's been probably been cases before of

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Speaker 1: like oh, like you know, it's usually someone you know

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, you know, it's it's uh, we need to

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Speaker 1: I listened to the White Girl true crime shows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: come on, now, it's usually someone you know that kills you.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Six hours later, my mother pulled back up and started

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Speaker 3: I told my mother to leave and that I never

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Speaker 3: I'm being called an a hole for saying my son

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Speaker 3: this could affect my mother's job as a nurse. Please

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Speaker 3: please God, let it like, let her learn. Yes, it

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Speaker 3: sounds like a massive a hole. God for real, there's

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Speaker 3: At least there's one mother that is Yeah, what one

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Speaker 1: Ah man, this is and I mean it's so hard,

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Speaker 3: But it's like but it's like how many chances can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't, like you can't let them into the

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Speaker 1: walking all over you know, you can't everything. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: got to have your own life. At some point, I'm

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Speaker 1: you try to kidnap my son, see you