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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: He has it all money and a lot of it same.

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Speaker 2: A lot of that youth helps everything, an NFL star.

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Speaker 2: Why is he suspected in the murder of the one

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Speaker 2: person who has stood behind him since he was a baby,

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Speaker 2: his mother? Before I get to Sergio Brown first, there

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Speaker 2: is breaking news a massacre in Maine, reportedly by a

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Speaker 2: forty year old army reservist who guns down at least

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Speaker 2: twenty two people, starting with women and.

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Speaker 3: Children in a bowling alley.

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Speaker 2: Do I have those facts right? I Meancy Grace, this

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 2: on Crime Stories and on serious XM one eleven. Before

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Speaker 2: I get to Sergio Brown, first to Forrest McFarlane joining

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Speaker 2: US news reporter us Son Forest. Thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Forrest, what can you tell me about this

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Speaker 2: army reservist age forty that goes on a gun massacre?

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Speaker 4: Hey, Nancy, thanks so much for having me Now. Police

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Speaker 4: say that Card is a person of interest at the moment,

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Speaker 4: but they did warn the public to stay away from

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Speaker 4: him and if he's fighted, run for cover and call

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Speaker 4: them immediately. He's considered to be armed in dangerous Forest.

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that the per unloaded semi automatic weapon

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Speaker 2: in a bowling alley?

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Speaker 4: Do I have that much right, yes, ma'am. And the

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Speaker 4: gunman was captured on camera. He has a chilling resemblance

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Speaker 4: to the photo that's been released.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can we just say it once and for all

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Speaker 2: we think it's called.

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Speaker 3: The forty year old Army reservist there. Okay, maybe it's not.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's his twin that we don't know about, his

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Speaker 3: evil twin, his doppelganger. But that said, is it true Forst.

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Speaker 2: McFarland joining us that it was a children's bowling league,

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Speaker 2: children's bowling league killing at least twenty two wounding sixty

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Speaker 2: and the very small town of Lewiston, Maine.

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, it's true. And Lewiston is the second largest

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Speaker 4: town in Maine. It's the largest school district in Maine.

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Speaker 4: And everyone is just covering today. On Thursday morning, a

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Speaker 2: So I know you're saying it's one of the really

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Speaker 2: big towns in Maine, but it's still about thirty eight

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, I.

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Speaker 2: Grew up in a very rural area in Bibb County, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I know what that means. Thirty eight thousand.

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Speaker 2: People, Why would you go into a children's bowling league

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Speaker 2: and start unloading The suspect, Robert Card, an Army reservist,

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Speaker 2: apparently goes on a rampage at a nearby bar in

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Speaker 2: the deadliest mass shooting of the year, with at least

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Speaker 2: twenty two dead.

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Speaker 3: As we get information, we will give that to you.

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Speaker 2: But as of right now, the shooter is still on

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Speaker 2: the loose, as you heard from Forst.

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Speaker 3: McFarland.

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Speaker 2: If you suspect that you see him, because he is

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Speaker 2: on the run, I would imagine leaving the jurisdiction, do

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Speaker 3: For more information, go to crimeonline dot com.

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Speaker 2: But now we are turning to our current story which

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Speaker 2: is up, which is about a guy that seemingly has

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Speaker 2: it all, more money than you could ever count. Fame, women, mansions, cars, adoration,

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Speaker 2: the works.

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Speaker 3: His name is Sergio Brown. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 5: Myrtle Brown's neighbors speak highly of the longtime Maywood resident.

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Speaker 5: She's described as a lovely lady by Kevin Greer, very

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Speaker 5: soft spoken, outgoing, just a happy person, he says, always

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Speaker 5: on the go. Brown's latest trip to a testament to that,

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Speaker 5: as she had just returned from a group trip to Aruba,

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Speaker 5: and when she returned, she celebrated her seventy third birthday

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Speaker 5: on September eighth days later, Myrtle Brown's family is alarmed

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Speaker 5: after not being able to reach her. Sheila Simmons last

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Speaker 5: spoke to her sister six days after Brown's birthday. It

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Speaker 2: Is a seventy three year old mother. NFL star Sergio Brown,

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Speaker 2: beloved by all, still out and about active, loving life,

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Speaker 2: her birthday. Of course, the alarm is raised. Joining me

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Speaker 2: know right now about Sergio Brown and his mother, Myrtle Brown,

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Speaker 2: aged seventy three. I want to go straight out to

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Speaker 2: US son Let me ask you a question Forest McFarland.

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Speaker 2: What do we know about Sergio Brown's upbringing?

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Speaker 3: Where is he from? What do we know about that?

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Speaker 4: Now? Sergio is from Maywood, Illinois. It's a suburb of Chicago.

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Speaker 4: It's not the best place to grow up. The crime

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Speaker 4: rates are about ninety percent higher than the rest of

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Speaker 4: the US. But from childhood friends who have spoken with

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Speaker 4: to have a good upbringing. His father was very successful.

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Speaker 4: He was the first black basketball player at Texas A

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Speaker 4: parents would show up for band concerts, for sporting events.

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Speaker 4: Sergio was a great track and field runner. He was

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Speaker 4: a great football player, so it appears that he had

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Speaker 3: So it seems to me like he had a pretty

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us in addition to Forrest McFarland.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, renown psychoanalysts, joining us out of LA.

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Speaker 2: You can find it at dr Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany. You know when a child grows up destitute,

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Speaker 2: without love, abused, is traded, underprivileged, very often excuses.

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Speaker 3: Are for them later in life when they commit a crime.

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Speaker 2: It is argued that that's how they were brought up.

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Speaker 2: They don't know any different life, and so they continue

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Speaker 2: the life that they know.

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Speaker 2: That is not an excuse for a felony, especially a

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Speaker 2: violent felony. But it's even more of a conundrum, doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: when the person basically grows up with a silver spoon

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Speaker 2: like putting perfume on the pig.

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Speaker 3: But I mean the dad Mary O.

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Speaker 2: Brown, the first African American men's basketball player at Texas

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Speaker 3: He was a two sports star in football and track.

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Speaker 3: It goes on and on and on. Now we go

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Speaker 3: to this guy, the son, Sergio Brown. He went to

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Speaker 2: I went to a college meeting the other day about

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Speaker 2: trying to get the twins. You know, where do they

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Speaker 2: want to go to college? The meeting was with Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: We were all sitting in this big auditorium. You know

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Speaker 2: how much that costs eighty thousand plus dollars a year?

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that eighty thousand dollars plus a year.

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Speaker 2: That's some school, right, and that's where Sergio Brown went.

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Speaker 2: So he's had all of these wonderful things happening in

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Speaker 3: He's been doted upon.

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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, what you're describing is a man whose

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Speaker 6: early attachment systems were secure. It's the attachment systems that

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Speaker 6: create good mental health, position the person for life. It's

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Speaker 6: not necessarily their education, or whether or not they grew

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Speaker 6: the parents have. It's whether or not the parents love

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Speaker 6: the child. And there was plenty of love in this household. Furthermore,

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Speaker 6: Sergia Brown went on to get an MBA in adulthood.

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop, So he graduated from college and got an

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Speaker 6: Absolutely after having great success in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Good luck everybody trying to tell me that he has

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Speaker 2: insanity or mental definct. Hey, IRV Miller joining me a

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Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney with the Miller Firm.

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Speaker 3: That sounds very important to me.

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Speaker 2: The Miller Firm Legal Alms CBS two Chicago, WBBMTV legal

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Speaker 2: My goodness, IRV Miller, when do you have time to

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Speaker 2: practice law for Pete's sake? Wait, don't answer that. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to you about SERGEI A Brown. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be really hard for him to mount some

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Speaker 7: Yes, let me tell you how the mighty have fallen

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Speaker 7: when he was extradited from Mexico.

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Speaker 2: I mean after he had a fight with the police

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Speaker 2: on the plane that after the Wait an I tell

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. An air Marshall comes up to

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, absolutely, I was sitting down yesterday. Why

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Speaker 2: do you have a fight on a plane after nine

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, I guess it was appointed to represent him

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Speaker 3: Is that serious? You really want me to guess.

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Speaker 7: The public defender of Cocony Stop, he's broke. He had

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Duffy with Me former Deputy Senior Inspector US Marshall Service,

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Speaker 2: senior consultant with the Group nine Risk Consultants and contractor

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Speaker 2: with the US Marshall Service. Does that mean they get

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Speaker 2: answer that, you have the fifth minute right to marrion silent,

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Speaker 2: Paul Duffy. The man is broke. I mean, how don't

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Speaker 2: don't NFL players make millions of dollars?

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Speaker 8: Anson doesn't mean he didn't squander it away At each

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Speaker 8: fifty five he would yeligible for a retirement from the

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Speaker 8: And he did put two homes in Colombia on a

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Speaker 2: And two homes in Colombia on a credit card, Yes, ma'am, Okay, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what this is getting worse and worse and worse.

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Speaker 2: How you make millions and millions of dollars and you're

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Speaker 2: they know the ins and outs. Sure, they don't make

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Speaker 3: Guys, we are talking about somehow Gee, who did that? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I think it was me.

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Speaker 2: I confess I've gone off on Sergio Brown having a

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Speaker 2: fight with police on the plane, and I blame you.

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Speaker 2: Paul Duffy bought two houses on credit cards in Columbia,

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Speaker 2: had to fire a public had to hire a public

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Speaker 3: What about Martle?

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Speaker 2: That's how this whole thing started, His seventy three year

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Speaker 2: old mother, Martle Yancy. Go ahead, doctor Bethley, let's just

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Speaker 2: stop everything so you can interrupt. Go ahead, Well.

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Speaker 6: If I could jump in about his history, the fact

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Speaker 6: there's not going to be a mental health defense. But

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Speaker 6: the public should know that this means that this is

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Speaker 6: a highly intent, highly functioning, highly intent I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: How about he got mad and killed his mom when

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Speaker 6: Perhaps it's interesting that he was living with her, which

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Speaker 5: Listen, Myrtle Brown isn't the only person missing. Her son,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I really don't know where to start with that,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Aery Ayson, hold on, just a moment, Doctor eric

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Speaker 2: Doctor Ason, hold on, I've got to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what I just heard. Forest McFarland, you're you're very, very quiet,

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Speaker 2: Finding Nemo characters. You do know Finding Nemo is an

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Speaker 3: All about that.

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Speaker 2: That's an animated fish. And Dory, who is another animated fish,

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Speaker 3: Forrest?

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Speaker 4: You're so ray. And that's just the beginning. He makes

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by partying?

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Speaker 4: He was buying drinks for people. It's unclear if he

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Speaker 4: slurring his words, he was stringing together sciences that really

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Speaker 4: And then meanwhile bystanders who are around Sergio are taking

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, Forrest McFarland. Hold on, you're the investigative

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: No, no, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Would it be beyond the realm of possibility that he's

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Speaker 3: Forest McFarland, it's for sure.

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Speaker 2: A one way ticket, yes, ma'am. The only thing worse

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Speaker 2: is if he used her credit card. Jack, you're you

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Speaker 2: telling me he actually used her credit card? That's a yes, no, yes, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he just made it worse. So Miller, renowned criminal defense

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Speaker 3: I want you to hear a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Of the Instagram rant to which Forest McFarland is referring,

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Speaker 9: FBI came into my house on the Bob Marty's death

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Speaker 2: Okay, the FBI came into my house on Bob marley

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Speaker 3: Lot of partying going on in the background. You hear music.

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Speaker 3: We tried to mute it for you. Okay, let's hear

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Speaker 5: They kidnapped me twice from home the Maywell Free Department, right,

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Speaker 2: They kidnapped me twice from home. The FBI is he's saying,

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Speaker 2: Frost mcfrone, the FBI or the Maywood Police kidnapped him.

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Speaker 3: Listen, they had to be the FBI or the Maywell police.

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Speaker 9: Was on vacation in Sinaloa.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he thinks his mother was on vacation in sine.

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Speaker 6: Law Nancy, if I could jump in about.

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Speaker 3: This, really hily, you go ahead.

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Speaker 6: I don't think this is creating an alibi. When people

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Speaker 6: That's the ramblings of a man who knows he's in big,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, doctor Bethne. You've given him a lot

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Speaker 2: I think he's trying to see why a technical legal term.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear some more.

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Speaker 9: That's fake news? Do you want to come to me

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Speaker 3: Fake news?

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Speaker 2: Is he actually talking about fake news and trying to

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Speaker 9: I had to do it, they got the power to

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Speaker 3: That's fake mood.

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Speaker 2: So he's actually blaming law enforcement for the death of

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Speaker 5: Listen Brown's family. When fact to search the family property

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Speaker 5: The medical examiner ruled Myrtle's death a homicide, citing multiple

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Speaker 2: Okay, the fact that her body is wrapped up in

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Speaker 2: A random killer does not stick around hanging around the

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Speaker 3: So you break in a home, you're right in the.

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Speaker 3: You panic and kill her. You get out of there

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Speaker 2: You don't wait to hide her body and wrap it

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Speaker 3: Ason, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What does this mean? Multiple assault related injuries? Blunt force trauma.

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Speaker 3: This is blunt force trauma. She was murdered, right.

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Speaker 9: So, blunt force trauma is an injury due to a

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Speaker 7: For one second, Nanty. The complaint that was presented in

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Speaker 8: And Nancy, if I could go on back to the sheet,

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Speaker 3: Is that Doctor Ason or Forest McFarland.

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Speaker 8: That was Paul Duffie again, Paul Duffie.

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Speaker 2: Will you say that one more time because I want

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Speaker 3: You just said. But she repeat that one more time.

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Speaker 8: You were a little fuzzy, sure, Nancy, you will know

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, Paul Duffy.

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Speaker 2: Like when we find a baby that's been killed and

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Speaker 2: analogy is correct, Okay, So that means it's someone close

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Speaker 3: I'm not buying the love and the reverence.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It's very complicated. Look, I'm a

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Speaker 2: JD not a shrink like doctor Bethany. But even if

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Speaker 3: But you're right.

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Speaker 2: It's a clue, a very important clue, Paul Duffy, because

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Speaker 2: her favorite blankets. I see what you're saying. It points

441
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Speaker 2: to who the killer is. And IRV Miller tell me

442
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: again what you were saying. Her body was naked, Hey, Erv,

443
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Speaker 2: listen to this. Our friends in cut.

444
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Speaker 5: Three, Dave mac Myrtle Brown's neighbor, Carlos Cortes, said he

445
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 5: saw Myrtle and Sergia together on Thursday, that's the same

446
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: day Myrtle talk with her sister. Then police found footage

447
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 5: on the ring doorbell camera Sergio was seen taking out

448
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Speaker 5: the trash and lighting a bonfire.

449
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Speaker 3: Doorbell ring camera video. I love those things.

450
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Speaker 2: The ring doorbell camera catches Sergio Brown taking out trash

451
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Speaker 2: and lighting a bonfire.

452
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Speaker 3: But he did do a very good job.

453
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Speaker 2: It reminds me of Stephen Avery, who of making a

454
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Speaker 2: murder of fame, who murdered Teresa Hallback, and he started

455
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Speaker 2: a fire pit all night long according to his blood

456
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Speaker 2: relatives and neighbor, and in it were the studs off

457
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Speaker 2: the back of her, Daisy Fuente's blue jeans, off Teresa

458
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Speaker 2: Hallback's blue jeans, and a little bits, tiny little bits

459
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Speaker 2: of bone, maybe teeth.

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Speaker 3: Same thing. You have to.

461
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Speaker 2: Basically inciderate objects to get rid of them. So irv Miller,

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Speaker 2: you're telling me that when they go back to the

463
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Speaker 2: fire pit, they find out that Miss Myrtle's clothes were

464
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Speaker 2: what was being burned.

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Speaker 7: Yes, exactly.

466
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's going to hell short pit stop with

467
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Speaker 3: a life behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Conviction so okay to Forrest McFarlane joining US investigative reporter

469
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Speaker 2: with the son, What can you tell me Forrest about

470
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Speaker 2: this fire pit and the ring camera footage?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, like it's already been said. There definitely was

472
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Speaker 4: fabric that was obtained from the crime scene. So no

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Speaker 4: matter what his efforts were to potentially hide the murder

474
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Speaker 4: if he is convicted of the killing, they were not effective,

475
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 4: and they were able to find other evidence from the

476
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Speaker 4: crime scene which proved it was a homicide. Also in

477
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Speaker 4: the bathroom they found AJAX, a cleaning agent and it

478
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: appeared that the bathtub had just been scrubbed, so that

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00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: was another piece of evidence that was revealed.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, Forrest McFarland, you know what, you really are

481
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Speaker 2: a font of information and it's all correct.

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Speaker 3: So, doctor Eric Easton, I'm going to circle back.

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Speaker 2: To the AJAX and why people turn into neat nicks

484
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Speaker 2: after someone goes missing, like their wife or their mother,

485
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Speaker 2: and then they suddenly have the compulsion to clean the

486
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Speaker 2: whole bathroom with ajax. Doctor Eric Easton, board certified forensic pathologist.

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Speaker 2: What evidence do you believe they may have found on

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Speaker 2: the body to suggest it was murder or within the

489
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Speaker 2: home if she was bludgeoned.

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Speaker 3: I don't. Do you really think she was.

491
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Speaker 2: Bludgeoned there outdoors or is that a secondary crime scene

492
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Speaker 2: where her body was disposed?

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the thing that they're going to look for

495
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Speaker 9: at the autopsy is the thing I would do if

496
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Speaker 9: I would definitely take the fingernail clippings and look for

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Speaker 9: possible blood or DNA under there from the assailant and

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Speaker 9: try and match it with the with the dependent That's

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Speaker 9: what I would do. Another hand, that.

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Speaker 7: Is exactly what happened in this case.

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Speaker 9: Actually, Okay, good god.

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Speaker 7: There was blood underneath her fingernail, and at the Maywood

503
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Speaker 7: police were able to send it at the Illinois State

504
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Speaker 7: Polease Crime Lab and there was a match between the

505
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Speaker 7: blood underneath the fing nails and the DNA that they

506
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Speaker 7: found on his toothbrush in the house.

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Speaker 2: DoD You just love I love it when they get

508
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Speaker 2: your toothbrush or of Miller. So, doctor Eric Aeson, how

509
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Speaker 2: do you I mean you performed literally thousands of exams.

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Speaker 3: How do you process.

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Speaker 2: A little old lady body to determine who is the killer?

512
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Speaker 2: Because you please start with how the hands are bagged

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Speaker 2: with paper bags at the crime scene.

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Speaker 9: Yes, so the police arrived and the crime scene investigators arrived.

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Speaker 9: They will immediately place paper bags over the hands. They

516
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Speaker 9: will then take the body and not disturb it very

517
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Speaker 9: much and then deliver it to the morgue. When the

518
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 9: body arrives to the morgue, pictures are taken immediately going

519
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 9: to pull body X rays and then the autopsy begins.

520
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Speaker 9: And then the first part is to remove the clothing.

521
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 9: And when the clothing is removed, you look at the

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Speaker 9: clothing too, and so you could actually find hair on

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Speaker 9: the clothing. So if any of the hair from the

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Speaker 9: defendant ended up on the clothing, that can be collected.

525
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Speaker 9: You can also collect trace evidence from the clothing. The

526
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Speaker 9: clothing is then placed in the bags and submitted to

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Speaker 9: a crime lab. And then when the paper bags are

528
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Speaker 9: removed from the hands, you take nail clippers and put

529
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Speaker 9: the premier nails and I placed those in separate bags

530
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Speaker 9: backed with the right hand bag of the left hand

531
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Speaker 9: that didn't get submitted to crime lab as well. Then

532
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 9: the autopsy begins and you'll do the external exam and

533
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 9: describe all the injuries that you see on the body.

534
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Speaker 9: You measure them and describe them and photograph them. The

535
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Speaker 9: internal exam then occurs when you match the injuries on

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Speaker 9: the outside of the body with what was found on

537
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Speaker 9: the inside, and then if you can at the end

538
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Speaker 9: of the internal exam, you will then establish a cause

539
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 9: of death and a manner of death, which is what

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Speaker 9: happened here.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: We know that there was blood on the back patio

543
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: of Miss Myrtle's home. We know ajax was in the

544
00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: bathtub drain, possibly indicative of it being recently claimed. We

545
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: know that Miss Myrtle, who is Myrtle Brown, Sergio Brown's mother,

546
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: her iPad, credit cards and phones, missing, her cigarettes left behind.

547
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: As you heard, he booked a one way ticket to

548
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Speaker 2: King Kun, flying out in the early morning hours of

549
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Speaker 2: September fifteen. And I'm trying to determine exactly when her

550
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Speaker 2: murder occurred.

551
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: And then there are his odd posts.

552
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: Claiming everything about his mom's death is all quote fake news.

553
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: It has to be the FBI.

554
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: Claiming he thought his mother was on vacation even though

555
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: he spotted with her around the home and getting rid

556
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: of in burning her clothes in the yard.

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Speaker 6: RV.

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Speaker 3: Miller, what more can you tell me?

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Speaker 7: Well, he was trying to reach out for any type

560
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Speaker 7: of potential defens that he could possibly come up with,

561
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 7: and trying to figure out everything from alibi to blaming

562
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 7: the FBI, to blaming the police, to say he was

563
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Speaker 7: being kidnapped on the airplane, just reaching out for every

564
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 7: possible straw that he came up with. Unfortunately, that doesn't

565
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Speaker 7: do a defense lawyer much good in court trying to

566
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Speaker 7: figure out which one of those to go with. Perhaps

567
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 7: there is no good one to go with, and you're

568
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 7: just well lying upon the state to prove the case

569
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Speaker 7: beyond the reasonable doubt period.

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Speaker 2: Well, can you tell me, Forrest McFarland, I investigate a

571
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: reporter with the US Sun about a fight on the plane.

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Speaker 4: So another wild video surface of Sergio after he was

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Speaker 4: taken in by police. He had another violent outburst on

574
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Speaker 4: the plane and was just screaming, claiming that he was

575
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Speaker 4: being taken to Tijuana, Mexico against his will, that he

576
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: was being kidnapped, when in reality, he was being arrested

577
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 4: and taken back to Illinois to answer for his alleged

578
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 4: crimes and be investigated for the death of his mother.

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Speaker 4: I also think it's important to note just circling back

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Speaker 4: to his mom's death in the blunt trauma death. I

581
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Speaker 4: think it's interesting to know his career in the NFL.

582
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Speaker 4: At one point, Sergio, who stands at six ' two,

583
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Speaker 4: was two hundred and ten pounds of pure muscle. He

584
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: played as the safety, which is basically like the human shield,

585
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: the last result resort for the defense. It was his

586
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: job to stop the ball at all caught from crossing

587
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Speaker 4: his team. One of his most notable moments in the

588
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Speaker 4: NFL was tackling Rob Gronkowski, the famous NFL quarterback, in

589
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: breaking his arm after tackling him. I mean, one violent

590
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: outburst against her seventy three year old mother is more

591
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Speaker 4: than enough, I think to kill her.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about Gronkowski's arm, because you know what I'm

593
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: thinking about, Force McFarland. I'm thinking about miss Myrtle's nick

594
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: and how her little neck was just snapped. Tell me

595
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: about Ron Gronkowski's arm again.

596
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Speaker 4: Now. Sergio Brown and Rob Gronkowski had a famous rivalry

597
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: during his career in the NFL. They were one teammates

598
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Speaker 4: and then became rivaled after Sergio violently tackled him on

599
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: the field broke his arm. He was out for.

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Speaker 8: Who knows how many games.

601
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Speaker 4: Recovering from this injury, and on the following season, Gronkowski

602
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 4: says that Sergio Brown was just goading him, talking smack

603
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: across the field and eventually he just had it, grabbed

604
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Speaker 4: Sergio Brown and threw him off of the field in

605
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Speaker 4: an iconic moment in NFL history. So this man was powerful.

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Speaker 4: He could get in people's heads. He you know, was

607
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 4: just playing a game that he did for his job,

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Speaker 4: and he was able to snap an incredibly healthy and

609
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Speaker 4: strong man's heart.

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Speaker 2: Is it true Forrest McFarland investigative reporter us Son that

611
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Speaker 2: Sergio Brown's mother, Nick was snapped.

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, it's true, and it's believed that she died

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Speaker 4: from blunt force trauma. So that could have meant, you know,

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Speaker 4: an object was used to hit her, maybe a fist,

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Speaker 4: I mean at seventy three years old, and she was

616
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Speaker 4: quite a slight woman as well. She was very thin

617
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Speaker 4: and small, so you know, one straight hit I could

618
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Speaker 4: have snapped her.

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Speaker 2: Next Paul Duffy joining US former Deputy Senior Inspector US

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Speaker 2: Marshalls now consultant Group nine Risk Consultants.

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Speaker 3: You have hunted down fell On.

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Speaker 2: It's usually killers drug lords all over the world.

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Speaker 10: As a US Marshall, Why is it a big, huge

624
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Speaker 10: guy like Sergio Brown, as Forrest told us, six foot two,

625
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Speaker 10: two hundred and ten pounds of nothing but muscle, would

626
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Speaker 10: attack someone so weak and so defenseless like his own

627
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Speaker 10: seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Year old mother.

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Speaker 2: And of course he's pluged, not guilty, and he has

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Speaker 2: not been convicted in a court of law.

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Speaker 3: Why is that, Paul? You've looked at defends all around

632
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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 8: Nthy, It would be difficult to come up with the motives,

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Speaker 8: but I would consider, and I would be surprised if

635
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Speaker 8: a defense getting look into concussions you might sustain in

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Speaker 8: the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, I knew that was coming. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So a concussion, Oh okay.

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Speaker 3: Paul Duffy.

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Speaker 2: As much as that, I feel like I'm eating a

641
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: dirt sandwich. When you said that, You're probably right, that's

642
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: probably where they're going to go.

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Speaker 3: IRV Miller.

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Speaker 2: Have you noticed, as doctor Bethany was saying earthly, very

645
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: often you see defenanse weave a tiny bit of truth

646
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: into their big fat lie. And I believe we're seeing

647
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: that here. But you know, my mom is going to

648
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: be ninety two in December. She lives with us, and

649
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: I still see her as young and vibrant, but every

650
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: once in a while I see her as she really is.

651
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Speaker 2: She's frail, she's kind of been over. She's a shadow

652
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: of herself, just so beautiful with black hair and blue

653
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: eyes and endless amounts of energy. And I'm just thinking

654
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: of miss Myrtle Brown up against an NFL safety.

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Speaker 7: Really, I see an issue here as a former prosecutor,

656
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Speaker 7: because you know, we always look for a motive, even

657
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Speaker 7: though we don't have to prove motive. What he took

658
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Speaker 7: from her not only was her credit cards, her phone,

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Speaker 7: her iPad, but also her bank cards. I think this

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Speaker 7: was a garden variety that went bad. He wanted money,

661
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 7: he needed assets, he needed credit cards, that is what

662
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 7: was going on, and precipitated a fight between his mother

663
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 7: and himself and went too far, ended up killing her allegedly.

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00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 7: And when he was as I said before, when he

665
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 7: was arrested in Mexico, guess what he had on his person.

666
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 7: Her iPad, her phone, her credit cards, and her bank cards.

667
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 7: To me, that says it all.

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00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany. I'm sure you're going to give him.

669
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: Some deep psychological motive and I honestly can't wait to

670
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: hear it.

671
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I got to get comfortable for this go ahead.

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00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 6: I do have professional athletes and former pro athletes in

673
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 6: my practice, and often they get addicted to a combination

674
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 6: of pain killers, opiates, steroids, and in a stimulant like methamphetamine,

675
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 6: and they use them all together for multiple reasons, to

676
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 6: hold on to their energy. Their use mostly to bulk

677
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 6: up and to feel like the former athlete they once were,

678
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 6: the to cover all the pain that they're suffering after

679
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 6: having played for so many years. And this turns into

680
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 6: a lethal combination for somebody who's already sociopathic in terms

681
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 6: of his character. So you have multiple factors at work.

682
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 6: I think his mother probably just said no to something small,

683
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 6: finally had it set a limit. He went into a

684
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 6: roid rage on stimulants. We know with mess they don't

685
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: just kill, it's overkilled. After he killed her, he panicked.

686
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 6: He wrapped the body not out of love and reverence,

687
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 6: he wrapped it out of disgust. This is why mothers

688
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 6: wrapped their babies before they throw them in the trash.

689
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 6: Or you know, Casey Anthony, you know put her daughter

690
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 6: like and wasn't it garbage bags? It's because they can't

691
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 6: bear to look at what they've done. He didn't want

692
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 6: to see the naked body of his mother with her

693
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 6: neck snap and blood all over the place. It's kind

694
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 6: of like a teenager when they throw away their you know,

695
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 6: half eaten hamburger. They you usually step it in a

696
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 6: bag before they put it in the trash. It's discussed,

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00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 6: that's all it is. Why did he take her her

698
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 6: iPad and bank cards. It's because he had sunk so low.

699
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 6: He probably didn't even have three cents in his own

700
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 6: wallet to get to Mexico. I don't think it was

701
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 6: thought out at all. I don't think it was a robbery.

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00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 6: I don't think the death was staged. I think he

703
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 6: was out of his mind on drugs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Dr Bethany. Of course, I never have

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Speaker 2: a favorite guest. There's no such thing, because they're all

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00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: so special to me. But right now you're running number

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Speaker 2: two because I'm going with Erv Miller on this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, not to.

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Speaker 2: Say he's my favorite, but Doctor Bethany, this is a

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Speaker 2: yes no question, yes no question, Doctor Bethany, do you

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Speaker 2: have a blood test?

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00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: Do you have a breathalyzer?

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00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: Do you even have any sentilla of evidence to suggest

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00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: at the time Miss Myrtleer was murdered that her son,

715
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Sergio Brown, the NFL Star, was using meth or steroids.

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Speaker 3: Any written yes.

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00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 6: No behavioral evidence, so.

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00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: Then no, no, you're guessing. Okay, that said, we wait

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Speaker 2: as just as unfals.

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Speaker 3: Good luck without public defender, Sergio. Goodbye friend,