WEBVTT - Shoshanna Rising 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:09.360 Dreamline rotation me Brandon Adina Menzel, could you imagine? Oh 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.680 my god. Also, I mean Michelle Fiper, Viola Davis and 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:21.119 Jillian Anderson are also very dreamline rotations. Okay, I'm in 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.760 the middle of a pretty disgusting experience that I also 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.280 am completely in love with, which is I'm rewatching Girls. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.919 And this was inspired by the fact that I've been 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.199 seeing Hunter Harris watching it and she's been tweeting about it. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:40.000 It was just the tenth anniversary of the show's premiere, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.480 and I realized I hadn't watched Girls in years, and 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.800 I did. Bully Fran also into rewatching. Well, here's here's 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.760 what here's what actually happened, because I mean, obviously Hunter Harris, 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.240 you know the impact. And so when she rewatches something, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.320 now the culture is rewatching something, and when we're seeing 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.800 her tweet about Marnie's music video and like, I want 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.560 to watch Marty's music and when the culture is rewatching things, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.520 that's when I want to rewatch. But I will say, 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.880 when I started to see the Girls tweets from you, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.280 I was like, as your friend, I don't support this. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.240 It's literally gotten in the way of me consuming any 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.120 other kind of culture like the Flight Attendants season two premiered, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.919 which I was so excited for and I haven't watched 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.240 it yet because I've just been rewatching Girls. We need 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.279 to watch that together. Actually we should watch it tomorrow. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.120 We do. Um. Basically, I judged was very hard and 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.520 I said I don't support this, and within twenty four 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.720 hours I was like, actually I'm gonna We were we 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.920 were we were texting about it and you were and 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.160 I was saying, Fran, we should do an episode on Girls, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.959 and I said no, And then the next text and 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.200 then the next things I got from you was I 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.119 wish I was this cool when I was twenty three. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.760 Well it was also like I think the biggest motivator 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.680 for me was Adam Givers sex scenes. But anyways, we'll 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.640 get into it. Well, yes, because today we're talking about Girls, 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.120 the HBO series created by Lena Them and we're going 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.360 to you know, look at it throughout lens ten years 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.239 and so much has changed. Because this is like a 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.200 virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.440 I'm ros Damo and I'm Fran Grato. Um, we have 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.480 like slightly less topical stuff to talk about today because 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.720 we are recording this all at once, and the reason 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.959 we're doing that is because tomorrow is Fran's birthday. It 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.600 is tomorrow upon this record, not tomorrow when this podcast. Yes, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.240 so by the time you all listen to it, she 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:42.800 will be forty five sited, yes, years young. Unfortunately for you, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.800 we probably have not consumed a lot of the pop 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.600 culture you would expect us to be talking about, as 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.080 in we we have not watched the Drag Race finale. Yeah, 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.520 I mean I have. I have watched half of it, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.680 but I don't know who wins yet. And I know 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.360 who wins, but I haven't watched it yet. And you 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.960 haven't spoiled it for me, which doesn't mean I have not. Yeah, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.680 I don't know how the internet hasn't spoiled it for you. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.359 Um well, I've been staying. We're at a party full 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.440 of queer people. Last night. No one like shouted out 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.520 yeah so last yeah, okay, so last night was gorgeous, gorgeous, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.320 some a little. It was like a pre birthday party, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.960 but a monthly like kind of queer party. I'm trying 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.919 to do here in Los Angeles, raging success. Everyone had 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.400 so much fun. The girls that did the drag Laurel 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:28.240 Charleston and Mother Teresa were like, unreal, Teresa did this 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.080 version of Um Britney spears hit Me, Bade Me one 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.640 More Time that like starts out like slow acapella, and 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.000 you're like, oh, someone's going to do like an acapella Britney. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.640 That's like interesting as like a drag piece. And then 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.960 this song gets like progressively like slower and like kind 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.960 of like moody warped like dark um and everyone was 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.200 losing their goddamn minds. But yeah, shockingly, did not get 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.840 drag Race spoiled for me last night. Wow, I'm so 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.680 happy that you haven't. And let me tell you, I 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.640 don't really care someone spoiler. I don't think I would care, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.680 Like it's there was nothing. So I've watched the first 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.600 half and all of the performances are kind of like 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.080 I mean, first of all, I hate the fact that 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.240 they're going back to original song. So if you don't know, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.200 they are like allah season six, seven and eight, the 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.960 girls are doing like drag Race written songs out there 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.120 like I did I did hear? I did hear my 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.160 friend who spoiled the ending for me? Um who was 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.360 talking me through a sort of emotional unraveling I was 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.080 happening last night. Um did walk me through how the 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.600 finale unfold and it sounds very boring. I don't think 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.720 the return to this format was really the move. I 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.520 think it was nice to try and shake it up, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.640 but I just hate the song. Well. I also think 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.280 this is an interesting take. Anythink fran Uni should cover 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.720 your ears for this? Okay? Okay, I think that the 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.560 finale was engineered in a way to set up the 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.200 person who won to win. And that's all I'll say 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.920 about that. Okay, you can. You can uncover your ears. Now. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.960 Is there anything else happening in the world we should 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.200 talk about? I mean, like, um, what do we What 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.320 did you watch this week? Just girls? That's it. That's 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:18.120 what I did. Read a book in one day last weekend. Um. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.040 I read this book that I'm pretty sure is One 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.640 Direction fan fiction. How did that happen? Um? It's because 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.240 I saw it on book Talk and I know my 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.760 sisters who are like current Harry Style stands and used 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.120 to be one direction ars. You used to read Harry 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.840 Styles fan fiction. And there's this book called If This 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.240 Comes Out, and it's about two boy band members who 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.640 fall in love. That sounds kind of great. And I 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:51.920 read it in a day because no, it's not good. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.279 I rated it three stars on good Reads. It was 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.520 definitely very easy to get through. It was a diverting 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.960 way to spend an afternoon. Um, but no, it's not good. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.800 You know what else is not great? The pilot of 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.640 First Lady. Have you? Oh no, I haven't watched it 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.000 because I've heard it's bad, babe. I So here's the thing. 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.520 I am going to watch the rest of the show 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.440 because from like all the previews, it looks like it's 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:23.080 going to get better and juicier, like good melodrama. And 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.360 I do actually think that the portraits of these three 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.640 women are stunning because the actresses doing it are stunning. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.440 Viola Davis's impression of Michelle Obama is getting a little 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.839 flak right now because, um, she's kind of overdoing a 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.520 very specific lip. Person. Have you seen the memes about this? 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.680 I saw the me I saw the meme that she 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.440 liked of like the fast food workers sitting on side 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:53.040 after their shift, and it was like Vio Davis's lips 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:59.520 between takes, and she liked it on Twitter. She liked it, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.800 I have to like, Okay, so an even though you 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.400 can't see it, so I have to say that she's 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.120 getting a lot of flak I personal from watching the show. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.960 I actually still think that the Obama portrayal is stunning. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.960 I think that she looks and sounds and feels exactly 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.920 like Michelle Obama. But the script is just not good, 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.360 and I feel like Viola Davis is having a hard 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.920 time doing what she needs to do because the script 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.880 is so bad. And then on top of that, I 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.880 do think the lip person thing is like a little 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:44.200 and ol even though Michelle Obama does do that. We 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.080 are laughing at a tweet. We'll post it on the Burner. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.720 I gotta wait. We need to tell the Virgins about 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.239 our burner. So we have a we have a burner 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.320 Instagram that you should follow it. No, no, not should. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.920 You must listen to this. You will follow it and 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.000 share things from it because it's at like a virgin 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:10.200 for that's at like a virgin for on Instagram. Yes, 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.400 and it is Fran myself and our producer Phoebe just 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.720 ship posting our little asses off. Yeah, and we'll do 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.480 memes of the week. The account only follows for people, 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:26.800 Fran myself, Phoebe, and Adida Mentell. And so right now 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.320 I'm looking at the home page and it has like 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.720 the people's stories at top, and it's just Fran Rose 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.040 and Indiana Love the Idina makes stories. That's so nice. Um, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.640 well she's talking about Earth Day, yeah, oh lovely love 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.080 that from you know, climate change frozen. So anyways, just 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.600 to tell you the rest about this, Michelle Peiffer plays 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.280 Betty Ford, which like someone I never paid attention to, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.920 someone I don't know as like a American figure. That's Betty. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.040 Betty Ford is the one with the clinic, you know. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.240 Oh yeah, she's the one with the clinic. Is it 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.360 for eating disorders or drugs? I don't know. I actually 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.439 don't know. I haven't done even a cursory google on 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.000 Betty for it. Um, but because I will either way, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.959 I hope they get the help they need. I will say, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.400 I'd be curious to know what the virgins think. But 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:18.720 the pilot is not good. Literally, nothing happens. The script 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.480 is so boring. There's no like engine or real steaks 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.280 established in these three women's lives, and it's like what 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.240 like it was just such a bad beginning to what 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.800 a show that has so much potential but I don't know. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.760 I've hoped for the previous. So when you watch it, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.560 I would love to hear your opinions, and as well, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.959 I think we should try and watch it. Oh, I 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.079 did you know what? We talked about this a few 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.600 weeks ago, So I do want to give an update. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.240 I finished Our Flag Means Death what? Yeah? It and 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.440 it did get better and so much gayer, Like everything 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.200 is gay on it, everyone is gay. I'm probably not 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:55.960 going to watch it. So what was like a highlight 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:01.040 from the end? Um So the show ends with Steed 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.600 the main guy, so he and black Beard they get 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.240 captured essentially, and they declare their love for each other 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.360 and kiss. Also the non binary pirate there's a non 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.160 binary non binary pirate and everyone uses they then pronouns 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:21.880 for them. Okay, um pis written. Yeah, I'm so glad 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.680 that we have a slow news week because this means 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.560 I can finally talk about the Omar Apollo album that 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.960 I Oh, you have really been wanting to talk about this? Okay, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.320 here's the thing. I have not been wanting to talk 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.360 about it. But um, but like so many fagots are 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.320 posting about the new Omar album on social or they 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.760 were rather because it was kind of a very temporal 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.559 moment um not seeing a word about it, just just 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.559 so you know, I think that's the difference between our feeds. Unfortunately, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.760 Um so omar Apollo, which I had kept calling him 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:58.000 omar Apo and that's not correct at all. Um is 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.400 like this like kind of gay acoustic e vibe, like 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.160 sad boy music person. And I listened to his new 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.680 album Ivory, and um, you know, it was it was 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.960 like I had it on repeat for like a day 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.640 or two, but it's like it was very slow vibes 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.280 and like very like I think. After I listened to 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:18.679 it a few more times, I was like, this sounds 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.040 so much like Frank Ocean. Were you ever a Frank 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:25.600 Ocean fan? Okay, so I'm a diehard Frank Ocean fan, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.199 like since like college pre Channel Orange, have seen him 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.880 a concert many times back in the Tumbler days, literally 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.720 like the nostalgia ultra like mix tave days. So I 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.040 was like disoriented by how alarming lye similar. Some of 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.360 the songs were, like there's a song that he does 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:48.400 with Calucus that like is so similar to Nikes I 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.040 had to check my like phone to see that I 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.160 hadn't accidentally switched to like a Frank Ocean remix of something. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.560 I wonder if it will be the kind of thing 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.040 where he like retroactively has to like pay royalties like 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.240 Olivia Drigo had to do with Taylor Swift. Dave. Guess 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.360 what I found out. I've been doing some reporting for 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.680 the podcast when I was thank God, let me tell 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.959 you original reporting. So when I was driving late at night, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.360 I'm back from a Coachella party. I was driving home 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.160 like two friends of friends that are from Mexico and 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.520 they work in the music industry, and one of them 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.199 were friends with Omar Apollo, and so we're talking about 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.840 this new album and this, and I was saying, like, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.960 you know, it feels really Frank oceany to me, like 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:29.400 or not all of it? And I should say, like 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.640 half of it is very like acoustic eat kind of 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.440 like John Mayer ish like feel good vibes, and then 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.080 and then some of it gets a little like you know, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.760 Latin ra music, and then the rest sounds like Frank Ocean. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.040 And I was like, well, it sounds a lot like 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.800 Frank Ocean, and the guy looks at me and he goes, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.400 you know they used to date, right, oh twist say 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:54.280 dated for three years and they broke up. And this 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.640 album Ivory is all about Frank, both in both in 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.520 terms of the content and the musical style that he 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.720 stole from him. And so I don't I don't have 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.840 like a ton of intel on like the inner workings 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.880 of their relationship, but I do know that there's drama 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.200 in the fact that this album sounds like Frank a 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.720 little bit, because can you imagine if you broke up 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.320 with your ex and your ex release an album that 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.080 sounded like your art, Like I would go whack, but 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.840 I would go deserve I would. But I also feel 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:29.280 like that that also feels alarmingly common in celebrity culture, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.640 Like I think when celebrities date, they influence each other's art. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.000 So I don't know, like you know, what they're actual 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.080 kind of vibe is. But I was like, oh my god, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.080 they dated, Like that's so juicy. Can you imagine dating 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.560 Frank Ocean and be horrible? Like he must be the 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.560 most emotionally avoidable. I just wouldn't want to date anyone 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.000 who I knew would make art about our breakup. Oh, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.600 are you kidding me? I feel like I exclusively date 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.319 people that make art about it. Break now, that is 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.800 the difference between you and I. It is only and 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.920 this is not an exaggeration. It is only a man 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.880 ter of time before an off Broadway play debuts about me. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.520 It's gonna be by me. It's gonna be called they 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:14.240 Them No, They Them scares No. Unfortunately, it's gonna be 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.200 written by one of my they them x is that 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:33.440 works in theater. So you all can't see us right now. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.880 But Frand and I just finished dancing and hugging each 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.160 other while um Dancing on My Own by Robin played. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.200 Because as we said today, we are talking about Girls, 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:49.480 the HBO series created and often written and directed by Ms. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.400 Lena Dunham and her creative partner Jenny Cohner Yes Um 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.760 and executive produced by Judd Apatow, Famous Girls. I think 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.440 we should set the stage of the culture in which 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.880 it premiered into. So it came out in two thousand twelve, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.280 and it's very obviously in a post Sex in the 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:14.600 City legacy. It is filling that hole on HBO, which 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.160 I think is it is directly referenced because in the 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.880 first episode Showshana, the character played by sajammm It has 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.680 a sex in the City poster in her bedroom, so 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.800 like it was very aware of the fact that it 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.000 was a show about four women living in New York City. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:36.520 Definitely on HBO, and I think even Showshana asks Jessa 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.080 in the first episode like who which which one of 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.360 the girls are you? And Jesse's like, I've never seen 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.040 that that movie that the one. Okay. One of the 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.680 things that this show does amazingly upon my rewatch is 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.520 encapsulate people that you know so exactly. And when Zoja said, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.760 when Zaja sorry says um, when she asked that question, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.200 she kind of does the thing that she does where 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.520 she asked you a question and then immediately answers it herself. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.040 And she and then she goes, she goes, you know, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.680 I'm like Samantha, but also like sometimes like I'm like 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.080 a carry. And she basically says that she's like three 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.640 of them, you know, she says, she says, like, no, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.840 I think I'm a carry, but you know, like sometimes 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.920 Samantha comes out and like she could not be more 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.400 of a Charlotte. But the exactly I know, And that's 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.640 the other thing is that people that say I'm Carrie 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.760 but also Samantha but also like Miranda don't know who 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.000 they carry's son, Samantha Rising, you know, but it's so 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.720 like like Lena Dunham's or rather whoever wrote that likely 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.120 like the ability to like um just encapsulate like someone 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.440 who so totally does not know themselves at all, Like 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.960 just in one line, you're like know everything about them 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.840 And I think that like I don't know, well that's 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.040 what and you know, and like we were texting about 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.920 this as you were watching it is I think the 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:55.760 post the post industrial girls complex, which is which is 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.680 a real thing, like there was literally a girl's think 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.680 piece economy that started in the first season was paying 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.600 its light belt with that. Yes, absolutely, But the thing 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.359 that you forget and the thing that Fran and I 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:12.280 were texting about, is just how well the show is written. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.320 The writing is so the writing in the comedy and 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.680 the character work is so specific. Each the show has 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.040 a very defined voice, and then within that, each of 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.400 the characters has a very defined voice, and nothing they 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.200 say like I'm sure there was you know, like maybe 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.800 some improv and some people like brought their own selves 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.200 to their characters, but the things that they say, the 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.359 jokes that they make, even the little asides and like 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:45.520 one liners are so specific and so funny and inform 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.399 who these people are. Like, it is a show that 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.840 I think does really well showing and not telling. Yeah, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.439 I mean even also like um, not just with the 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.040 main characters, like with characters that have two lines, you know, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.720 like I'm thinking about them. I think it's the Bush 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.440 Wake Warehouse episode where they meet one of the best episodes. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.520 It's I I haven't rewatched yet, but I remember in 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.920 the episode there's a girl named Taco and she says, no, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.360 my name is Taco. And she's like, that's what I said, Taco. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.399 And she's like, no, you're saying it talk like Taco. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.480 She said no, she says, um, it's it's spelled with 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.440 a K. By the way, I can just tell when 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.320 people think it's at the City and that that like 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.280 things like that, that single line, it's like I know 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.879 that person, I've met that person. I know exactly what 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.240 that person is like. And I think that um, Lena 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.520 Dunham's like ability to capture those archetypes much like how 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.240 Sex and the City did, and it's era much how 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.000 like Broad City does did in its era, like they 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:48.640 really and also I think Insecure, like Insecure, like they're 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.080 kind of I think those four shows, I would say, 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.200 especially Sex in the City, Girls and Insecure because they're 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.800 all on HBO, And then like especially Broad City, Insecure 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.040 in Girls because they're all like post Sex in the 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.840 City and in New York Like they're all in their 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.679 own ways reacting to the things that Sex and the 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.239 City lacked in different ways. Well, but I think that 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.080 when you think about the triot of Broad City, Sex 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.000 in the City, and Girls, in between those two, you 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.119 kind of have a spectrum of I was gonna say realism, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.080 but it's more of a spectrum of like how they 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.000 authenticated like New York girlhood, you know what I mean. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.640 And on the Broad City and you have absurdism that's 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.240 still that relies on how broke they are and how 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.439 fucked up and chaotic they are in order to create 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.800 that relatability, and Girls is like hyper realism mumble core. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.400 And then you have Sex and City on the other 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.160 end that's like relies more in like archetype and kind 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.360 of more sitcom. But they're all they all do like 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.440 play with some level of fantasy. Obviously, like in Sex 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.560 and the City, the fantasy is like the wealth um 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.639 and in Girls, I think the fantasy almost as like 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.600 the honesty and like the way that people talk to 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:08.320 each other, and like the like the dysfunctionality of the 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:12.439 relationships is so heightened, like I don't think people I 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.840 think some people are that honest with their friends, but 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.960 I don't think most people are. And then in Broad City, 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.280 like the fantasy isn't like in the absurdness. In the Absurdism, 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.040 I almost feel like Girls doesn't necessarily have as much 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.040 a fantasy as it had, as it took components of 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.840 like Sex in the City and was like, oh, this 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.640 is how we actually are able to pay for our lives, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.040 wherein Sex in the City it's like never acknowledge that 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.360 they're all independently wealthy, where with with Girls, it's like 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.160 the first scene is like my parents were footing my bill, 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.159 you know what I mean? And I think that and 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.800 here's the thing which is so like it's just such 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.240 good writing like that that is I think as someone 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.080 who I mean, it does not like I have not 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.679 ever like studied screenwriting, but obviously like we you know, 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.879 we both work in media, like literally in Hollywood, so 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.359 I know what a good pilot episode looks like. And 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.960 the pilot of Girls is incredible. And I also like 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.000 read the pilot recently, like on paper, and it is 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.840 like I'm not surprised by like how people might have 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:19.760 responded to the script in the beginning, like it's it 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.480 has a magnetic kind of presence that you've never read before. 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:25.840 That's actually something I would be really interested in because 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.280 I would love to see how much of what is 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.480 on the screen was on the page. It's fascinating. I'll 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.280 send it to you. Um, But I um was going 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.680 to say, I think that, um, we're going to get 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.000 into the Lena donot of all, and like, I think 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:41.400 that there are a lot of reasons as to why 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.320 people you know, don't like her or don't like the 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:48.240 shower whatever, But you have to I think that, especially 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.640 in this day and age, despite the fact that there 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.880 were no people out of coloring in like season one, 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.760 and no queer people except for Elijah, who was one 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.720 of the best TV characters, we do not give Lena enough. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.520 I was gonna say, we do not give lean enough credit. 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.480 She's given enough credit. Um, we I think that um 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.840 to me, my response to the show and how much 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:14.760 I loved upon Rewatch was um, Lena's interest in investigating 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.960 whiteness and she is I felt like she was so 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.080 adamant was it or was it just her interest in 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.959 investigating herself but making fun of herself in that And 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.480 I think understanding that that self is a very privileged self. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.240 So she must in her head she's probably not thinking, 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.359 like I'm writing about whiteness right now, you know, I 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.520