1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Senator Amy Klobuchart. 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm really happy that you're here because 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: I want folks to appreciate Senator Klobuchart, the fact that 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: you are one of the most productive. You're the face 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: of productivity, a politician that not only gets relative okay, 6 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: it gets things done. I mean it is remarkable. You 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: look at at so many people in the Senate and 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: you just you feel like, you know, it's a club, 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: and obviously it's it's you know, it's there's a lot 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: of status, but you're often not necessarily affirmed that there's 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot of progress being made, but you are able 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: to lay claim to a lot of progress, including just yesterday, 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: President Trump signed a bill to Take it Down Act, 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: a bipartisan bill that you and Ted CRU's co sponsor 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: tell me more about it. 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: So this came out of which I know you're familiar 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: with all this, but just what's going on in the 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: internet right now where there's no rules and you've got 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: a non consensual and AI created porn and one year, 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: this is FBI stats, or over twenty suicides of kids 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: they are courting a girlfriend or a boyfriend. They send 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: a photo and then that photo goes all over their 23 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: schools or there's some kind of threat or you know, 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: asking for money, and they think their life is over 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: and they actually take their own lives. So Center Cruise 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: and I he is the chair of the Commerce Committee 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: right now, we joined forces and introduced this bill called 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: the Take It Down Act. It simply says the platforms 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: have to take down these images non consential images in 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: forty eight hours and then creates criminal liability on the 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: people that put them on or extends criminal liability. So 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: we got that through the Senate, but then we were 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: stopped at the end of the year. It was part 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: of a bigger bill. And at the inaugural lunch, as 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: you're aware of, Governor, I cheered the inauguration something I 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: took on before we knew who won. And I brought 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: up to the President and the First Lady this bill 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: and I said, this is a bill that you know 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: would fit in First Lady with some of the work 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: you're doing. And three days later her office called ours 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: and then she really helped to get it through the 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: House and it got signed into law. 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: So I love that, I mean. And so a couple 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: of things just to reflect on. And I want to 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: go back to the inaugural because people were I think 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: a lot of folks wondering why is Senator Klobahark kicking 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: off the inaugural festivities? And we'll talk about your unique 48 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: role in that respect, but how about just the role 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: of bipartisanship, the role you played and the role it 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: sounds like the first lady played, but also Senator Cruz, 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: is it? I mean this is an anomalous Is this 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: something to be hopeful about? Is this one off? 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: I mean? 54 00:02:59,360 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: What? 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: What? What? 56 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: What's your sense is there was there incentives for good behavior? 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Have you gotten criticized for working on the other side? 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: I think, first of all, I've always believed in working 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: with people you don't always agree with. That courage isn't 60 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: just standing by yourself courages whether you're going to stand 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: next to someone you don't always agree with for the 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: betterment of this country. And I have done that in 63 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: the Senate, working with everyone from Josh Holly on antitrust 64 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: issues to Chuck Grassly on biofuels. I mean, you could 65 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: just go on. And however, I do think the president 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: of this incident aside where we were able to work 67 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: on this bill with him when the rhetoric and the 68 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: things that are said makes it harder to function and 69 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: bipartisan because he will go after people if they don't 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: do exactly what he wants, and it's all part of 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: how he's doing this. So you know, in this case, 72 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: I guess we got an exception. They like this bill, 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: but I do think it makes it harder. And my 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: goal in life is to do what best for the country, 75 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: And as you know, sometimes you take grief when you 76 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: work with people or take positions that not everyone agrees with. 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: But I do think that we need more of that, 78 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: not less of it when it comes to governing right now. 79 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: So I'm glad the bill got passed into law. I 80 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: continue to, like most many Americans, you know, wake up 81 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: every day and think, what did he do? Now? He 82 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: just fired the Congressional Library, and he's getting these medicaid cuts, 83 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 2: He's moving us backwards on clean energy, all these things 84 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: that I think that actually gives our country a cutting 85 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: edge medical research we should be moving forward. So but 86 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: despite all that, I will continue to do what I 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: think is best and if there's a way to do 88 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: things from permitting reform on where we can get things 89 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: moving better. I'm game to working with Republicans. 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: Love all that, and I want to touch on all 91 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: those things. But let me go back just a little 92 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: bit to the origin story on how you were able 93 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: to sort of smooth this bill over. I love that 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: you said it was that a lunch and it was 95 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: just engaging on the personal where the first lady actually 96 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: followed up took you. It took very seriously your request 97 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: to engage a few days later. But let's take us 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: back to that inaugural. I mean that that's an interesting aside, 99 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: but what was the most striking part of that You 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: were there. You're the chair of a joint committee, a 101 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: bipartisan committee in Congress. That's related to the inaugural. Maybe 102 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: you could talk a little bit about that role. But 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: that role led you to give a little speech remarks 104 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: about enduring democracy, etc. I'm curious, So what enduring memories 105 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: do you have around those Inhugro facilities can't. 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: Reveal it all and your podcasts have to save some 107 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: of it. But you know, it started out in the 108 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: White House and I with everyone with the president at 109 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: the time, President Biden and Vice President Harris, and then 110 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: of course the Vances and the Trumps, the speaker of 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: the House, Center Schumer, you name it. So everyone's there, 112 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: and then we divide into cars. And this is a tradition. 113 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: And I will still go down in American history as 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: the only person who has ever ridden in a car 115 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: alone with Donald Trump and Joe Biden for about twenty 116 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: minutes one day. I'll reveal that conversation was quite talkative. 117 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: I brought up the fires in California. You will say 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: that that was one of my plans to do because 119 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: I knew that that President Trump was going out there 120 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: and President Biden had been there. So I thought, okay, 121 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: here's a common ground moment with the firefighters and the like. 122 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: And we talked about many other things as well, and 123 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: it was a very vibrant conversation. And then I spent 124 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: the day the inauguration and the like, and it's ends 125 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: with the ended with that lunch. But I had my 126 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: four minutes, and I decided I wrote every word myself, 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: and I said, I want this to meet the test 128 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: of time, because I knew what was coming at us, 129 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: the assault on the rule of law, the economic uncertainty, 130 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: and so what I said were these three things Number one. 131 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: Our democracy is a hot mess. It always has been, 132 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: but it's our democracy, and you know we must be 133 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: as leaders. And I meant every person in their own 134 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: neighborhood or whatever they do, we've got to be the 135 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: shelter in the storm and protect that democracy. Now that's 136 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: a Bob Dylan quote. Kevin, he is from Minnesota and 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: just a little Hollywood moment. I like to complete unknown. 138 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: I thought it should have won the Academy Award. I'm 139 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: going to weigh in on that right now. Okay, But 140 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: I didn't say that at the inauguration. Okay, I did 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: say that reats regrets or yeah. Secondly, that that presidential inauguration. 142 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: In other countries, it's held in a presidential palace or 143 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: executive office building. In our country, it's held in the 144 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: People's House for a reason, and that's because we have 145 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: three equal branches of government under the Constitution. And all 146 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: nine justices were there, maybe a show of for not 147 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: all there, they all aresvp'ed. When it was outside. I 148 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: knew the list, and we had the Congress there, and 149 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: we're still waiting for some of the Republicans in Congress 150 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: to stand up. We only need four of them to 151 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: stand up against say Medicaid cuts. The third thing and 152 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: final thing was just that the power in that rotunda, 153 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: despite all the billionaires that were in there, it did 154 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: not come from in that rotunda, from a freshman member 155 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: of Congress to the President of the United States. It 156 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: came from outside of the rotunda. And to me, when 157 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: you see people standing up, yes, activists, people who are angry, 158 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: but you also see the quiet voices now of farmers, 159 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: soybean farmers in the middle of Minnesota who show up 160 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: at a town hall find themselves seated next to a 161 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: woman who's holding a sign I was there this happened 162 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: that says this is not normal, looks at her, which 163 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: is a common sign people are holding now in rallies Democrats, 164 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: and he says to her, what do you mean by that? 165 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: And she said, well, this isn't normal. What's happening. Well, 166 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: I'm normal, she goes, No, I know you're normal. But 167 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: the reason I raise that story is the quiet voices, 168 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: the people that don't usually show up. The fact that 169 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: they're standing up right now and feel like they must 170 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: talk to their governor or their senator, or their mayor 171 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: or their congress member. That matters, and We've got to 172 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: keep that part of democracy alive and strong. 173 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: I love that. And look, you talk about this notion 174 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: of co equal branches, the government, popular sovereignty, the rule 175 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: of law, the best of Roman republic and Greek democracy 176 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: and founding fathers vision being tested, the rule of law, 177 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: this notion of the constitutional crisis that some have attached 178 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: at least as a tagline to this moment. What's your 179 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: over under? I mean, where do you think we are 180 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: on the basis of that speech, This notion of it 181 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: enduring democracy have been vandalized even more acutely than you 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: had even imagined one hundred plus days ago. 183 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's not like we didn't expect bad things 184 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: to happen, given who some of the nominees were for 185 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: some of the justice jobs, given that we had seen 186 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: what he'd done before. In certainly January sixth, I also 187 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: was there with President Biden and Roy Blunt when that 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: all happened. The day of January sixth was, you know, 189 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: Mike Pence and me and Blunt walking down that pathway 190 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: to the house, walking over broken glass at three in 191 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: the morning, with the last of the electoral ballots, including 192 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: California's in that box. So I knew that, and then 193 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: we were with Biden on the stage that aside. I 194 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: didn't predict they would go this far with you know, 195 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: just dismantling usaid, dismantling people's hopes and dreams, with all 196 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: kinds of cuts and things they've done on cancer research 197 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: and the like. Their willingness to even just take on 198 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: independent bodies like the Consumer Protection Agency, which we called 199 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million bad products and saved Americans 200 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: from lead pois and dangerous pool drains and the like. 201 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: Just their willingness and the president's willingness to bully people 202 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: and whether it's journalists or universities, and then the other 203 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: flip side of it, now I'm going to get to 204 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: my silver lining here, is just that the courts have 205 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: been standing up over two hundred times with judges appointed 206 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: by Bush and by Trump himself and by Reagan. I 207 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: didn't even know those judges were still out there, but 208 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: they are. They and they, along with the Democratic appointed judges, 209 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: have been making courageous decisions. So that is a pushback. 210 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: So that's why some people say we're in a crisis. 211 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm just a little more saying when I look at 212 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: the Civil War. Okay, that was that was a constitutional crisis. 213 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: To me, we're in a starting to be in an 214 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: economic crisis if this continues, but we are closer to 215 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: a constitutional crisis. But to me, it hasn't arrived yet 216 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: because of what the judges doing their jobs. The fact 217 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: that while they are defying the administration is defying some 218 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: of these rulings for sure, and where that is going 219 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: to be decided in the near future. They are following 220 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: some of them. They just seem to pick and choose 221 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: which ones they don't like. So all of that it 222 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: doesn't make it feel better, but it makes it to 223 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: me like you just can't give up the fight. It's 224 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: made a difference. I started the first weekend after that inauguration. 225 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: I found myself at the container store in suburban Minneapolis, 226 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: and I had this cart and I had all these 227 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: like Marie Condo like plastic things because I decided I 228 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: was going to reorganize my coffees and teas. And this 229 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: stranger comes up the center. I know why you're here, 230 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: and I go, well, I just it's Saturday morning. I 231 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 2: just I'm going to organize my kitchen. She goes, no, 232 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: you're here because you feel like your life is out 233 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 2: of control in your job in Washington, and you're trying 234 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 2: to control things you're doing. And I went there two 235 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: other times and then I got to work. So the 236 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: point is is that we have all been through this. 237 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: But the answer when you look at some of these 238 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: court decisions, when you look at some of the Republicans 239 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: who've been so timid, but when you look at what 240 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: they're starting to say on Medicaid, that if you give 241 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: up now, it's the worst. The citizens standing up, calling, emailing, yelling. 242 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it has made a difference. So I just 243 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: I and those quiet voices have at just as much. 244 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: I love that. And by the way, I've been to 245 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: the container store a few times myself, and perhaps you've 246 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: just I thought I was simply organizing, So I think 247 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: it's a deeper, deeper reason. You may be right. So 248 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: one thing we can control, right, control the controllables. But 249 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: let me go back. You talked about this, we sort 250 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: of challenge, and I appreciate your point of view on 251 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: this whether or not we're in a constitutional crisis, the 252 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: issues around rule of law, but you did imply and 253 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: you've been very vocal on this, and I'm really grateful 254 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: you've been one of the leading voices keeping the focus 255 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: and the attention and not getting distracted on the fundamental 256 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: issue of these tariffs, which I personally believe he has 257 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: no legal authority. And of course California found a lawsuit 258 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: along those lines, does in other states joining that under 259 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: the International Economic Emergency Powers Act. But the question of 260 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: the tariffs, it's remarkable to me how you know, it's 261 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: still dominant in our lives, but not necessarily in the 262 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: media in the last week or so. Back to this 263 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: notion of you know, I guess we can get to 264 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill, We can get to this notion 265 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: of distractions, et cetera. But the impacts you've highlighted the 266 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: impacts of these tariffs that continue to this day thirty 267 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: percent in China, obviously, tariffs to our big trading partners 268 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: north and south, in Canada and in Mexico, but impact 269 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: to small businesses, and you've called it out in your 270 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: own state, and you're seeing a state of anxiety and 271 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: uncertainty all across the United States? Is that fair or unfair? 272 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: Over stated and understated. 273 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: Now and it is to me the driving problem right 274 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: now with the economics and I want to thank you 275 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: for bringing that suit and showing such leadership on this front, 276 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: especially with your major economy, the fourth biggest in the. 277 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad you and the world. Senator, I appreciate her 278 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: one point one trillion. We love to brag about that 279 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: is like, but watch India. They're right behind us. I 280 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: worry a little we may slip. 281 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: So when you look at the tariffs, We've always had 282 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: targeted terraffs. I've supported some of these, for like with 283 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: iron ores mined up in northern Minnesota. And when China 284 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: does illegal steel dumping, it's a huge problem. And this 285 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: was something Barack Obama put in. Trump continued in the 286 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: first administration. Biden continued, but now he has put this 287 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: into across the board tariffs involving some of our closest allies, 288 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: our closest allies in the world. In Minnesota, you know, 289 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: we can see Canada from our porch like they are 290 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: our biggest trading partner. They eclipse the next few together, 291 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: and this is very damaging for building materials for homes. 292 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: For you look at some of the fertilizer and things 293 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: like that. Our soybean market in China is huge and 294 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: while he reduced those tariffs, they're still at an inordinately 295 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: high level as opposed to using the clout of the 296 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: United States of America, this incredible economy to negotiate more 297 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: targeted things, and that is not how he's done things. 298 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: And he's pushing China more into the arms of Russia. 299 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: And then China is advertising. You've probably seen their ad 300 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: in English to other countries say hey, do business with us, 301 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: because we have decided to put these tariffs on countries 302 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: like South Korea and Japan and Europe, all of who 303 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: have been major major partners for US, yes, in the economy, 304 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: but also in security. So the effect small business owner 305 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: a place called busy Baby. My husband thought it was 306 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: a lazy baby. I know it's busy Baby. Busy Baby 307 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: she started this Entrepreneur of the Year honored by Trump's 308 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: Small Business Administration. 309 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Can't make it up, and she can't. 310 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: Do her business with these tariffs. Doesn't have the phone 311 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: number of the White House. She's not like a major 312 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: CEO that can vaultz in there and say, hey, can 313 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: we get exception for our products? More power to them, okay, 314 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: but she doesn't have ability. She's not invited by the 315 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary to JP Morgan to go into the meeting 316 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: in New York City. She doesn't know what's going to happen. 317 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: So it also creates an inequity in the economy where 318 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: these small businesses that have been just incredibly important to 319 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: the next big development. I look in Minnesota, Target started 320 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: as a dry goods store, and you know three Am 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: started up in the slow place in Duluth. I mean, 322 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: these companies start small lot of the time, and then 323 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: the small we're just messing around without capitalism is what 324 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: he's doing. He's trying to do like a controlled economy 325 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: from the White House instead of allowing capitalism to unleash 326 00:17:53,080 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: the kind of new ideas that we've seen. 327 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: And Centator, you know what's most insidious. And I love 328 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: that you brought her up. We had the opportunity to 329 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: visit with her on the podcast and she talked about 330 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: how she was inspired by her by her newborn and 331 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: now she has to look them in the eye and say, honey, 332 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: we may not only lose the business, we may lose 333 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: our home. Because she's leveraged her home in the mortgage 334 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: to get a line of credit. Because she just made 335 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: a deal with you reference Target and Walmart to expand 336 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: the business, and now her house is on the line, 337 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: not just her business, in her future and looking her 338 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: kid in the eyes and having him tell them that 339 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: this is It's so important to highlight those stories and 340 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: to highlight that example. 341 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: It's like their roadkill in this thing, because the bigger 342 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: companies I'm also concerned about. Honestly, they're a big part 343 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: of our economy. We have in Minnesota, like fifteen sixteen 344 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: Fortune five hundred companies, and a lot of them do 345 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: work overseas, and a lot of ad companies and the like. 346 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: But these little companies are just going to be roadkill 347 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: because they don't have the margins as you just pointed 348 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: out about this woman leveraging her home, or as I 349 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: mentioned the soybean farmer, they already lost a bunch of 350 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 2: their market to Brazil during the last Trump tariffs, and 351 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: now they've gone down to like twenty percent of that 352 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: total soybean market in China, and now they're going to 353 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: go even less. So I just he inherited an economy 354 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: that we know there was inflation. We should never embrace 355 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: the status quo. There's so much more we need to do. 356 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: I mentioned permitting, housing, childcare, all these things, but he's 357 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: now just dragging us the other way. I mean, costs 358 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: are up, chaos is up, corruption is up, and sadly 359 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: your four oh one k's are down and the economy's down. 360 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: And this is just small businesses. I've lost three hundred 361 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: thousand employees since the beginning of the year. This is 362 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: just not the direction we should be going. 363 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that. I mean, it's been said over 364 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: and over again of headlines and the economists headlines and 365 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, the envy of the world, the 366 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: United States of America's economy, despite inflation, was beginning to cool, 367 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: the economic output, growth, productivity, unemployment for women African Americans, 368 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: lowest unemployment in sixty years, and as you suggest, the 369 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: economy now contracting point three percent in Q one. But 370 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: I think the most interesting thing and center I'm curious 371 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: your take on it is this whole notion on the tariffs. 372 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: The predicate on the tariffs was small businesses don't pay, 373 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: we don't pay, Walmart doesn't pay. And then out of nowhere, 374 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: Trump this week says, wait, hold on, eat the tariffs. 375 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: He says to Walmart, which suggests perhaps someone does pay 376 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: on the other side of the border, consumers and or businesses. 377 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: Which is it, So it is both, but three thousand 378 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: dollars of family annually, it's going to be a tariff tax. 379 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 2: At tariff tax, three thousand dollars strollers twenty five percent 380 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: have gone up. So it's like a baby tax, but 381 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: if you have a baby, but it's also a family tax. 382 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 2: And so everyone's got to realize what's going on here 383 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: that consumers will pay, but our businesses will pay as well, 384 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: and it just sets us back in the rest of 385 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: the international economy. We should be building alliances. We should 386 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: be the security alliances that we built around standing up 387 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 2: for democracy. In Ukraine, we woke up from this slumber 388 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: our I think our country did, woke up from the 389 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: pandemic and said, wait a minute, we got to get 390 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: more secure relationships with some of these other countries, and 391 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: that also means economic relationships. And he's just taking us backwards. 392 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Hopefully not in Ukraine. I hope that some peace will 393 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: come out of this that will work for Ukraine, but 394 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: he's certainly taking us back economically and so and the 395 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: one other point you raised, Governor was just this destruction 396 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: thing and it's so hard when you hear this because 397 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 2: he does some really bad things, I believe, so that 398 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: no one will focus on the other things like bright 399 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: shiny object. About a week ago or so, on a Friday, 400 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: Stephen Miller brought up works for Trump in the White House, 401 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: brought up a habeas corpus, and so I happened to 402 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: be on a Sunday show after that. So he brings 403 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: up a habeas corpus and the president has no power 404 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: under the Constitution to take away people's rights to contest detention. Okay, 405 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: but he brings us up. He knows that. So then 406 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm on that Sunday show. So what do I get asked? 407 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: On Meet the Press? I get asked about habeas corpus, 408 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: and I finally was able to say what I've always 409 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: wanted to say, which is he knows very well the 410 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: president can't do that under the Constitution. And Senator Barasso, 411 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: who'd been on before me, on the same show it said, 412 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: it's not on their agenda. Well it's not. They're not 413 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: going to spend weeks on this and it's not going 414 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: to pass anyway. With many conservative commentators are against this. 415 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: So I said, he brought it up, so you'd ask 416 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: me about it right now instead of asking me about tariffs. 417 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: And I think that's a lot of what they do. 418 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: And as people who care about our rights and the world, 419 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: we have to take stands and make clear where we 420 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: stand on this. But we cannot let people get fooled 421 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: by them into spending their time screaming at the TV 422 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: and they can't even hear you anyway, or screaming at 423 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: a podcast about things that when what really matters right 424 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: now is that their budget, which we still have to 425 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: get to, is going to take thirteen point seven million 426 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: people off of medicaiding their healthcare, or it's going to 427 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: raise the costs for twenty million, or that these tariffs 428 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: are going to mess up our entire economy and the 429 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: way we do business around the world and send us 430 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: pell mell down. And I just think those points is 431 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: what matters the most people, And what I just judge 432 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: from this crazy place I work in has the most 433 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: chance of getting Republicans to say wait a minute, because 434 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: we already saw them do it on Canada. Two senators 435 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: bordering Canada, Murkowski and Collins, and then the two of 436 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: in Kentucky. You never agree on anything. McConnell and Ran 437 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: Paul agreed with Tim Kane and me that there was 438 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: no emergency at the Canadian border, and maybe they did 439 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: it because of Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't really care why. 440 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: I appreciate. 441 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: So let's contextualize. You talk about our kids, you talk 442 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: about this tax cut, a tax increase, e seuse me 443 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: with the terrorists, which are nothing more than a tax 444 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: increase on in a regressive tax that hurts low income 445 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: and work in the middle income Americans more than anyone else, 446 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: but also attacks generationally as it relates to attacking working 447 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: families in particular in the next generation. But we have 448 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: this build back better beautiful, whatever the heck they're calling 449 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: in the big beautiful. Bill Trump is on the hill. 450 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: Trump was just you may have seen him walk in 451 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: the halls just seconds ago. 452 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: Senator. 453 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: He's out there and he was just out there on 454 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: press conference saying that you know, do not and dare 455 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: I say, I'll say it. He says he's don't quote 456 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: unquote around with medicaid, meaning he completely denies what you 457 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: just suggested, that thirteen point seven million people may lose 458 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: their medicaid. You suggest Democrats are suggesting that's not the case. 459 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: So this bill is truly a betrayal of the middle class. 460 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: There are so many things he could have done right. 461 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: He could have increased taxes on billionaires in the biggest corporations. 462 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: Even you do a one point every ten years brings 463 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 2: in one hundred and fifty billion dollars on corporate tax 464 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: and he could have gotten us to like a middle 465 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 2: ground on that. He didn't do any of that. Instead, 466 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: they added more tax cuts for the wealthiest and then 467 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: to pay for it, that's why we call it the 468 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: billionaire budget. To pay for it. This is what they're 469 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: looking at, thirteen point seven million people off Medicaid. He 470 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: may have said that in that session to them, but 471 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: they just are voting out of the Committee on the 472 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: Budget that there is no other way, according to the 473 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: Congressional Budget Office, that you can get to that point 474 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: with where their cuts are. 475 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: Center just on that point, because I think it's so important. 476 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I bring that up because it's so infuriating, 477 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: it's so in Orwellian, it's such an extraordinary statement. I mean, 478 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: three point we estimate, just to put in perspective in California, 479 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: and we're we're going to sort of put out detailed plans, 480 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: detailed analysis on this tomorrow. But three point four million 481 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: folks will be impacted through our medical our medicaid, just 482 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: in California alone. The impacts across the spectrum, from issues 483 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: around plant Barrenot, the impacts on our hospitals, not just 484 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: rural hospitals, but hospital fees we referred to as this 485 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: MCO tax, all of these other components that they have 486 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: promoted and are poise to now approve. The devastation is 487 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: actually outsized, profound and extraordinary. Will also increase the national 488 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: debt by a minimum of three point three trillion dollars. 489 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: Talk about saddling the next generation. 490 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: So we do. 491 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: Tax cuts to people literally who not are even asking 492 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: for it, multi billionaires, centennial billionaires, not just wealthy corporations 493 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: that rarely even pay that minimum tax. But tell me, 494 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: sanity is being taxed right now? What the hell do 495 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: we do? What is the Senate going to do? How 496 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: can you stop this? And how do we focus again 497 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: to your point on not getting distracted by these intentional distractions. 498 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: So we need to fight this in every way, and 499 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: I think that one it has to pass the House. 500 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: We'll see they have fights with their hardliners on exactly 501 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: what you raise for good reasons on the dat and 502 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: then it's by the way, it's not just the healthcare cuts, 503 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: it's the snap cuts. They want to put that over 504 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 2: on your budget and on Minnesota's budget. I saw that 505 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: on how they do it. If they're at ten percent 506 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: or wherever they are on the cuts over to state budgets, 507 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: Texas alone would be like five hundred million dollars, and 508 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 2: forty of the fifty states have balanced budgets amendments, so 509 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: they can't even add this while grocery prices are going up, 510 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: energy prices up, all of these things. So that's what 511 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: they're looking at to pay for these billionaire taxes. So 512 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: if they pass this, which it's still very unclear, but 513 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: if they do this on a party line Republican vote 514 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: in the House comes over to the Senate. We need 515 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: fifty one votes in the Senate, and the Senators have 516 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: been very different on this. Some of the Republicans. First 517 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: of all, they're not going to get every single one. 518 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: But then you have people like Grassley. I know he's 519 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: in his nineties, but he said just in the hallway yesterday, 520 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: I love this. We need a redo, need a redo. 521 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: That's his nice Midwestern way of saying, no, they're not 522 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: going to accept this as the way it is. I 523 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: think he was referring to the three hundred billion dollars 524 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: in the snap cuts and some of the other things. 525 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 2: The Senate Republicans had suggested one billion it cuts. So 526 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of this, and this 527 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: is going to be the moment, I would hope, because 528 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: Democrats are going to be united against this thing, and 529 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: we will be doing everything to force votes and push 530 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: them on it. But it is a time where people 531 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: are going to stand up because he is really focused 532 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: on this, and there's a bunch of Republicans in the Senate, 533 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: including Josh Holly of all things, who have basically said 534 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: on medicaid, I'm not going to do this and we're 535 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: not going to do these kinds of cuts as of 536 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: other And all it takes is four of them, by 537 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: the way, four of them to stand up in the 538 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: House against this. So when people get mad, I don't 539 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: blame them. They get mad about things and how they are, 540 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 2: and they're mad at Democrats. They got to look at this. 541 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 2: It takes only four of them in the House, and 542 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: four of them in the Senate. If only three of 543 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: them stand up, then good old JD. Vance can come 544 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: over and break the tie. But if four of them 545 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: stand up, then they can't pass it. And so that's 546 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: what the numbers are in the Senate and in the House. 547 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: So and look, I appreciate that the point you're making 548 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: that we still have agency, we're not by standards as 549 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: it relates to this, and we could still save the future. 550 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: But that said, we heard over and over and over 551 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: again today, yesterday, this last week, failure for these guys 552 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: is not an option. And of course Trump's showing up 553 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: today on the hill making that point only reinforces symbolically 554 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: and substantively what's at stake for the speaker, and ultimately 555 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: we'll be at stake for this country. But what I 556 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: mean this notion of waste, fraud and abuse, This idea 557 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: that you're not cutting thirteen point seven million people off 558 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: of Medicaid, that you're just asking them to work. Senator, 559 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: you're just asking them to reapply every six months, not 560 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: every year. It's hardly draconian, and it really is about waste, 561 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: fraud and abuse. How do you counter that narrative? How 562 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: how do we counter that message of that talking point 563 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: coming from these folks. 564 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: So we're happy to work with them on actual ways. 565 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: Fraud and abuse always have. I'm always into looking at 566 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 2: reforms and what we can do better. But when you 567 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: look at medicaid, half of the people in nursing homes 568 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: are on Medicaid. Okay, you've got this population tends to 569 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: be the vast majority of them are kids, they're people 570 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: with disabilities, they're veterans, right, and they're seniors' older people. 571 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: So you've got to look at the population you're dealing 572 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: with for both the SNAP programs and Medicaid in terms 573 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: of what you're talking about when you talk about making 574 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: it harder to apply or creating more red tape in 575 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: the like. So this is I think Trump has some 576 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: notion that this isn't very popular. That's why he keeps 577 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: saying he doesn't want to cut Medicaid. I think that 578 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: should be the proof point that maybe their argument isn't working. 579 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: The other proof point, by the way, when it comes 580 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: to economics, here is only thirty seven percent that is 581 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: very close to the magabase. Only thirty seven percent people 582 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: think he's handling the economy well, a number that I'm 583 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: hot off the press. Sharing with our caucus today is 584 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: that when people are asked, well, what do you think 585 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: we should do to make the budget better and balance 586 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: you get to a better thing with the deficit, only 587 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: fourteen percent of them said cut healthcare and cut nutrition 588 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: those things. Sixty eight percent said tax the billionaires and 589 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: the wealthiest more in order to make sure that people 590 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: aren't hurt by this. So I think they're in a 591 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: very bad place here, and you've got the midterms coming 592 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: around the corner. You've got they know this. This is 593 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 2: why you're starting to see some of the Republicans stand up. 594 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: I'm not being a Pollyanna. I'm just looking at the map. 595 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the numbers. And so the key is 596 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: that despite the despair of what he tries to make, 597 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: people just feel like nothing is good when they look 598 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: at politics. Despite all that, you got to look at 599 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: some of the things that are going on in the States, 600 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: like your lawsuit on the terraffs. You got to look 601 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: at the fact that people of our country are going 602 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: to work every day, working hard despite all this, and 603 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: looking out for each other and looking out for their neighbors. 604 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: That this is still happening in America, no matter what 605 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: he says, or what he does every morning, or what 606 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: he posts on social media, and that we as a 607 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: country have to keep standing up to this because it's 608 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: either some of it's worked in court, so we fight 609 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: it in the courts, we fight it in Congress, and 610 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: this is going to be the big test. Are those 611 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: four Republicans going to stand up and we're going to 612 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: make them vote on a bunch of stuff in the meantime. 613 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: And then the third thing is our constituents. And that's 614 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: just my plea to everyone that you've engaged so many 615 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: people with this podcast. It's incredible that they remember that. 616 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate, and I also just appreciate the essential nature 617 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: of this moment, just focusing on this tax bill and 618 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: focusing on the tariffs and doing our best over the 619 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: course the next few weeks. 620 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: Talking about the fact that the Timber will beat the 621 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: Lakers and the Golden State. 622 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: Had to do that. 623 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: Really you had to get into that. I mean, there 624 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: wasn't much time left, but I thought I might might 625 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: raise that. 626 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: We made it almost through an entire podcast without that, 627 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I won't even bring up the last. 628 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: And then I thought I did, so just let me 629 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: briefly in the spirit back to this. But for us, 630 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: it's very serious. I know journey continues. 631 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: I got two kids that are still in bed, they 632 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: have not recovered, so I understand, trust me, how serious 633 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: this stuff is. I also understand how serious these the anxiety. 634 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: And I just want to get to three quick topics 635 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: with you. Where and I'll just jump right in. Where 636 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: the hell is Elon Musk? What happened to him? What's 637 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: your assessment of everything that has happened the last few weeks? 638 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: Fire and fury signifying something nothing. 639 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: Don't trying to get Tesla back and doing his job. 640 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: I just was just the way I was in Wisconsin, 641 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: by the way, on that Supreme Court situation there, and 642 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: you know, not with him with the chiefs head, but 643 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: I was there and I just saw how people reacted 644 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: to that. And they care about their own state and 645 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: their own judicial system. They don't like that this billionaire 646 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: is coming over to Green Bay, and I think that 647 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: the way he handled that. There are ways, and you 648 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: know this, to make changes in state or federal government. 649 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: You've got to look at agencies just like any business 650 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: person would do. What things, what line of business isn't working. 651 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: What do I want to change? How do I want 652 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: to do it? And boy, I want to keep some 653 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 2: of my new vigorous employees instead of firing everyone that's 654 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 2: just been there less than two years. That may be 655 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: the dumbest thing. And I want to keep veterinarians at USDA. 656 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 2: I want to keep cancer researchers. I don't want to 657 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 2: turn off all these great employees. They are the key 658 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: to this of making all this work so we can 659 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: get meta devices approved. And the way they handled everything 660 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: was just this slash and burn approach, which then turns 661 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: off other people that they didn't even fire. That makes 662 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 2: them want to leave in pretty soon, who's going to 663 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: be looking at the electric grid? So this is going 664 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 2: to affect the economy with how he's handled this. There 665 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: are things that they could do and can do to 666 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 2: look at this in a rational way. And that's what 667 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: I think why he became just such a burden on 668 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: everything because of the way he went up, not necessarily 669 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 2: the idea of reform. People don't want to own the 670 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 2: status quo. They want to see changes to the government. 671 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 2: It's just how he did it and how he mocked 672 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: these people. Many of whom have devoted their lives to 673 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: doing work that Not everyone wants to go out and 674 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: fight fires all the time, right, Not everyone is putting 675 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: themselves in the line or looking at these doing the 676 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: kind of research that you need. They're not going to 677 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 2: sit in a lab all day. But there are some 678 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: devoted Americans that do that every day, and he's making 679 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 2: them want to go work somewhere else. So I think 680 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: that's what happened, and that's why he's back and hopefully 681 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 2: gets Tesla back on track. 682 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And as someone that's invested as a taxpayer, 683 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: not just as an elected official supporting the growth of 684 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: the alternative vehicle industry, I appreciate the sentiments about Tesla 685 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: because of the energy and entrepreneurialism that defines that company, 686 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: at least has in the past, and our ability to 687 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: compete for the future. You make a point about the 688 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: issue of Snap and the cuts to food and food security. 689 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: By the way, Trump made another Orwellian comment today in 690 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: his press conference around the food cuts, around the Snap cuts, 691 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: saying it will actually lower the cost of food. Only 692 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: Trump could actually assert that, as he went on to 693 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: say something about the cost of eggs, but also there's 694 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: a part of the three legged stool of what they're 695 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: also assaulted we didn't bring up, which is on the 696 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: green energy side, and the fact that we will quite literally, 697 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: you talk about the future, and I appreciate you brought 698 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: it up center four or five times. Wasn't lost on me. 699 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: You talked about that formula for success. You talked about 700 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: the research and development. You talked about, you know, the 701 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: foundations of what make this country great and how we 702 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: built the world's largest middle class. It's because we had 703 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: a formula for success and academic freedom, in investments in 704 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: science and health and discovery, and entrepreneurial is the ability 705 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: to get the first round draft choices around the rest 706 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: of the world, the best and the brightest to come 707 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: to America, and rules for risk taking but not recklessness. 708 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: You talk about the importance of permitting reform and addressing 709 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: aspects of what Ezra Client has referred to as the 710 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: abundance agenda, which I completely embraced in Democrats. We need 711 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: to own that and we need to own up to 712 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: our own performance. But I want to just briefly talk 713 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: about something if I'm a senator that is very personal 714 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: to you and personal to all of us, but more 715 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: personal to you because I've been struck by your own 716 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: history with your family, your own personal health obviously now 717 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: President Biden's health, and it's so topical this week. I 718 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: saw you on the Sunday shows, and I don't want 719 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: to necessarily get to the past per se. We're gonna 720 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: have plenty of time, and on this podcast we'll talk 721 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: a lot more about the past, but in relationship to 722 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: the present and the future, just your relationship with President 723 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: Biden and his relationship to this moment as it relates 724 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: to this advanced prostate cancer right. 725 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 2: Exactly, So when you think about it was the cancer moonshot. 726 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 2: When you go back to Biden after he lost his son, 727 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 2: who I know you knew, and him and it was 728 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: something that of course changed his whole life. And I 729 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: was there when President Obama signed that bill because I 730 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: had some things in there on eating disorders, of the 731 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: things that we passed that we got in that bill, 732 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: and also some of the work on cancer. And I 733 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 2: remember President Biden was Vice president at the time, standing 734 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,479 Speaker 2: by Obama's side when he signed that bill into law. 735 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: That research at NIH and the like has continued with 736 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 2: bipartisan support for eleven years in a row, increasing research 737 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 2: and now, as you know, a lot of the works 738 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 2: in your state, some of it's in mind with the 739 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 2: Mayo Clinic and the University of Minnesota, and just kind 740 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: of the incredible moment we're at. We've mapped the human genome. 741 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 2: Now we're moving into personalized medicine and the use of AI, 742 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 2: if harnessed and put the right rules in place, is 743 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 2: going to take our country to this level of leadership. 744 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 2: But to do it, you need, yes, some rules in place. 745 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 2: And when Elon Moss says that there should be some 746 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: rules on an AI, maybe we should listen to them. Secondly, 747 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: and Congress needs to act. Secondly, we need to keep 748 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 2: supporting this research and the fact that these attacks on 749 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 2: these universities, and I'm so glad they're joining forces now 750 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: because that's one thing all people listen to your podcasts 751 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 2: have got to think about when you join forces and 752 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 2: you're not alone being attacked. It's worked better for journalists, 753 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 2: for law firms, you name it. So that idea that 754 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 2: we could continue this research at this moment and get 755 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 2: continue to get in the workers that can do the research. 756 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: With legal immigration reform and the like to augment the 757 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 2: people we have heard that to me is our golden 758 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 2: moment into a sun California sunshine thing where we can 759 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 2: really go to this next level of our economy. And 760 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 2: that's one of the saddest things about what's going on 761 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 2: when I've heard in your own state and in mind 762 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: about research projects that could be brought to places like Australia, 763 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 2: because they just they don't know if they're going to 764 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 2: have the certainty of doing them here right at this 765 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 2: moment where this technology and know how is reaching this 766 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: pinnacle where America has like kind of our next great 767 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 2: breakthroughs with rare diseases which we never thought were possible 768 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: to solve. And in my case, yes, the breast cancer 769 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 2: that gets like they detect it. You have a simple epectomy, 770 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: you've got radiation in five days, and you don't miss 771 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 2: a vote, and you literally get back on a commercial 772 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 2: flight or back for that vote and never miss anything. 773 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 2: I don't say that's perfect for most people, but what 774 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 2: I say is that these advancements has allowed our economy 775 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 2: to function and been a leader, and we don't want 776 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: to move back on that. And I know that was 777 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 2: something President Biden cared about. I know something you're voted too. 778 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 2: But the point is is that Trump, we still could 779 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 2: go in the right direction, but he's got to stop 780 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 2: this assault on the things that are literally the innovation 781 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 2: that's key to America's economy. We want to be a 782 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 2: country that makes up, invents things and exports to the 783 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 2: World Center. 784 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: Just in closing, do you you know and I appreciate 785 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: I think this notion of an economic vision, the journey 786 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: that everyone can be on together and they see, they 787 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: feel seen and included in that is critical for the 788 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 1: Democrats and our comeback, And not just as it relates 789 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: to the mid terms, but even beyond, where are you 790 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: on sort of the spectrum of reflecting on where our 791 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 1: party is, where was, where we are today, and where 792 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: we're going, and just sort of three or four things 793 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: that you think we should be doing more of right 794 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: now in order to get back where I think the 795 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: American people, the majority of them, I believe, want us 796 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: to be. 797 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we can't be stuck in the status 798 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 2: quo of the past. And just because Trump is going 799 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 2: on this all out assault doesn't mean that our answer 800 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 2: is no, we like everything the way it was. That's 801 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 2: not where the American people are. That's not where we 802 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 2: should be. So that's the first thing, in addition to 803 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 2: focusing on the economic mistakes he's making and the assault 804 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 2: on people's basically their right to pursue opportunities by making 805 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 2: it harder and harder for them and small businesses. We 806 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 2: have got to have our own agenda. That's first thing. 807 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 2: The second thing is we shouldn't just go where it's comfortable. 808 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: We should go where it's uncomfortable. You know, I visit 809 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 2: all eighty seven counties in my state every single year. 810 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 2: Just came back from a nineteen county tour in rural 811 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 2: Minnesota and go to other parts of the country as 812 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 2: well that are more rural. I just think listening to 813 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 2: people because they're on the first line that's getting attacked 814 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: by these tariffs and the light and making sure that 815 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: we have an agenda that works for them. The third thing, 816 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: bring down costs. Bring down costs, bring down costs. That's 817 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 2: going to mean more housing and getting through some of 818 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 2: this permitting muck, and that's part of the whole abundance. 819 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 2: As reclient agenda childcare, there's incredible public private partnerships that 820 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 2: we could engage in bringing down health care costs, being 821 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 2: willing to look at that in a different way, take 822 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 2: on these pharmaceutical prices. I've let that bail. And then 823 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 2: just remembering that there's more that unites us that divides us, 824 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,479 Speaker 2: and trying through all of this muck to remember these 825 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 2: hard working Americans. Sure saught with your firefighters and their 826 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 2: grit and with all the people in your state, and 827 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 2: we see it all over the country. To have that 828 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 2: motivate us every day, and that way, you kind of 829 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 2: make what he's doing small, because you're going to be 830 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 2: bigger than that. And speaking of which, I have to 831 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 2: go to our democratic lunch. I wish, I bet you 832 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 2: wish you could take the podcast in there. Yeah, but 833 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 2: they all have to. 834 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: Say your little town hall. I love it. 835 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, people have. Well. 836 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: Wish you all the luck in this remarkable moment. But 837 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: I'm grateful you took these moments to share your thoughts, 838 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: your wisdom, your insight, and congratulations again on getting that 839 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: bill to the President's desk and sign, and thank you 840 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: for all you actually all you do for all of 841 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: us every single day in ways seen and unseen. Center 842 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: Klob char thanks for joining us. 843 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 2: Thanks it was great being on. Thank you thank you 844 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: End then