Speaker 1: Look hell, it's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, writer, director
Speaker 1: a mask, and I love film. As Stephen King once said,
Speaker 1: fiction is the truth inside the lie. But Infinity Pool
Speaker 1: is in fact a documentary, is it? I'm not sure
Speaker 1: it is, Stephen, but I wouldn't argue with you. You're
Speaker 1: mister King. Thank you. Every week I invite a special guest. Ever,
Speaker 1: I tell them they've died. Then I get them to
Speaker 1: discuss their life through the films that meant the most
Speaker 1: of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Brunei Brown,
Speaker 1: and even CD Plambles. But this week it's the brilliant
Speaker 1: actor and director and star of Shrinking, mister Michael Jury.
Speaker 1: The first four episodes of Shrinking, the show co created
Speaker 1: by myself and Bill Lawrence and Jason Siegel, are available
Speaker 1: to watch an Apple TV Plus give it go you
Speaker 1: will definitely like it. Head over to the Patreon at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com forward slash Gret Goldstein, where you get
Speaker 1: an extra thirty minutes of chat with Michael. We laugh
Speaker 1: a lot. We talk about beginnings and endings. He tells
Speaker 1: me a secret. You get the whole episode uncut and
Speaker 1: ad free and as a video and more than that.
Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slashbret Goldstein.
Speaker 1: Michael Yury is a tremendous actor and director. You will
Speaker 1: know him from all kinds of things, and who we
Speaker 1: had the honor of casting in Shrinking. He's been a
Speaker 1: pleasure to work with over the first season and I
Speaker 1: was very excited to get a chance to sit down
Speaker 1: and talk life and death and films with him. We
Speaker 1: recorded this on Zoom the other day and I really
Speaker 1: think you're going to love it. It's a cracker. So
Speaker 1: that's it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: episode two hundred and thirty four of Films to be
Speaker 1: Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With.
Speaker 1: It is me Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by
Speaker 1: an actor, a Juliarder, an ugly bettier, Prince king Hamlet,
Speaker 1: a partners, a star of screen and stage, a star
Speaker 1: of big screen, little screen, and the screen in your Heart,
Speaker 1: and one of the stars of the show Shrinking, a
Speaker 1: personal hero of mine. I can't believe we've managed to
Speaker 1: get him on the pod. Please welcome. Can you believe
Speaker 1: it's here. It's mister Michael. You're a Oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. What an intro. Wow, Hey man,
Speaker 1: how are you. It's so good to see you, very
Speaker 1: good to see you. You're in New York. I'm in
Speaker 1: New York. I'm coming to you live from my soundproof
Speaker 1: closet in the on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.
Speaker 1: For those of you who can't see the video of this,
Speaker 1: it's a really impressive. But if this is a band
Speaker 1: who does a lot of voice eiver. You've got full
Speaker 1: full egg boxes and shit pads, and there's a carpet.
Speaker 1: But it is just a closet. You can see here
Speaker 1: cleaning supplies. It's also got mop sagging from the egg
Speaker 1: cups and the books. The books I don't choose to display.
Speaker 1: There's a hand from a play that I was. There's
Speaker 1: some other here. What was the scary hand behind your head? For? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: that's I was in this play where my arms got
Speaker 1: chopped off and they let me keep the hand. What
Speaker 1: was the play? It's called Jane Anger, really good play
Speaker 1: where I played William Shakespeare very funny. We did it
Speaker 1: off Broadway just before we shot Shrinking, and in it
Speaker 1: William Shakespeare pisss off a couple of people and they
Speaker 1: shop his arms off and push him out a window.
Speaker 1: And so the apparatus that I had to wear to
Speaker 1: get my arms chopped off, it didn't make it at
Speaker 1: the end and they gave me the hand. It was
Speaker 1: a really complicated piece of machinery. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: heavy magnets and um. And then it was cool. And
Speaker 1: then we just did it again in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: And we call us on Sunday and we had a
Speaker 1: much much, a much fancier production, much nicer arms that
Speaker 1: got chopped off. But on Thursday, a week last Thursday,
Speaker 1: I was bound in the arms. You know, I'm like
Speaker 1: bound because I had to pretend to have my arms
Speaker 1: cut off and I slipped on a piece of paper
Speaker 1: and I broke a rib. So I'm talking to oaken
Speaker 1: rib my cool. Yeah, laugh as boisterously as you move,
Speaker 1: that's why, because it hurts, like No, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: very serious. I finished, and uh I made it, and
Speaker 1: I'll heal and I'll be all better. In no telling,
Speaker 1: you're a bloody stuff. Didn't you do did you do
Speaker 1: the play where you play one hundred and thirty seven characters?
Speaker 1: Did you do that? You mean the Barber streisand play
Speaker 1: tell me about the Barbara stic thing. Well, I played
Speaker 1: Barbara streisand among other people in this play Buyer and Seller,
Speaker 1: where the writer in the underneath her house right in
Speaker 1: the moon. Yeah, which is true. She does have a
Speaker 1: moll in her basement, like a street of shops in
Speaker 1: the basement of her house, like a doll shop, a
Speaker 1: gift shoppy, a sweet shop, a dress boutique. And Jonathan
Speaker 1: Tolin's is brilliant writer. He imagined that someone got hired
Speaker 1: to work down there, and so I played the guy
Speaker 1: and he's telling the story, and then she comes in
Speaker 1: and so does like the woman who runs her house,
Speaker 1: and so does her husband, James Brolin and I played
Speaker 1: all the parts, and it's really funny. It's really very
Speaker 1: sweet actually because they developed a sort of friendship. But
Speaker 1: the best part of the play, the funniest part of
Speaker 1: the play is she comes down. When she first comes down,
Speaker 1: because he's down there for a few days before she
Speaker 1: shows up, he's just like painting up and pretending to
Speaker 1: like man. The shops. She comes down and tries to
Speaker 1: buy her own stuff and haggle over her own belong
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, how much for this one? How
Speaker 1: much for this doll and he's like eight fifty and
Speaker 1: she's like, why are you crazy? That's too much? And
Speaker 1: then she shows up. She comes back and she's she says,
Speaker 1: I found a coupon and she prints out like a
Speaker 1: fake coupon that's for the exact amount as he put it.
Speaker 1: All it's very funny. And I did it forever. I
Speaker 1: did it off Broadway for like a year, and then
Speaker 1: I did it on tour here in America, and I
Speaker 1: did it the many A Chocolate factory in London, over
Speaker 1: six hundred performances of that damn thing. And then I
Speaker 1: even did it in our living room during the pandemic
Speaker 1: as a benefit. We like cleared out all the furniture
Speaker 1: and we put up a couple of cameras and did
Speaker 1: it in our living room. Crazy. The thing I often
Speaker 1: ask people who work in long time productions, how did
Speaker 1: you keep did you get bored? Six hundred performances? Were like,
Speaker 1: fucking know, I gotta do this again? Or do you
Speaker 1: have like a trick to get you into it or
Speaker 1: was it? How does that work? Well? You know I
Speaker 1: didn't get bored. I got I did go a little crazy, though,
Speaker 1: because I was alone. I think if I had been
Speaker 1: with other actors, that might have been harder, because you know,
Speaker 1: you have to sort of rely on them, and and
Speaker 1: if they don't give you what you want, you get
Speaker 1: frustrated with them, and they might their performance might change
Speaker 1: and yours dozen or vice versa, and that can get frustrating.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I was my own scene partner,
Speaker 1: so if I didn't get a laugh, I had no
Speaker 1: one to blame but myself, you know, like I was
Speaker 1: set up and I always pied up myself up perfectly.
Speaker 1: Also because the audience was the audience was really like
Speaker 1: the other character because I spoke directly to them, and
Speaker 1: so it was different every night because of them, because they,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a different you know, three four
Speaker 1: hundred people. However, when he showed up that night or
Speaker 1: whatever theater I was in, and it really did feel
Speaker 1: like a new story every every night. Wow, youd get lonely? Yeah, back, Well,
Speaker 1: it's like doing a stand up tour, I suppose if
Speaker 1: you're just on your own, but you can't change the script. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one last question about your past, if I may. You
Speaker 1: went to Juilliard indeed, which as an English person, I
Speaker 1: don't fully understand what it is. I know it's a
Speaker 1: big fucking deal, but I don't quite know what it is.
Speaker 1: That like, like the hardest chore drama place in New
Speaker 1: York or something. Yeah, it is, it's the it is
Speaker 1: the it's the hardest chore drama place in New York.
Speaker 1: The kind of what it would be. It used to
Speaker 1: be just the Juilliard School of Music for like like
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, and then about fifty or so years ago,
Speaker 1: John Houseman started a drama program there, right, and the
Speaker 1: first class was Kevin Klein and Patty Lapone and William
Speaker 1: They did it right, and they did it all right,
Speaker 1: and so then it worked out and people have been
Speaker 1: going ever since. And you know, I graduated in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, but we don't call we don't say
Speaker 1: class of two thousand and three. You're a group. So
Speaker 1: like Patty and Kevin Klein their group one, I was
Speaker 1: group thirty two, and now it's it's almost a group
Speaker 1: I guess fifty two or oh yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: been It's been almost twenty years since I graduated, So
Speaker 1: how long is it? Three? Is it's four years? Oh? Years? Wow?
Speaker 1: Four years? And I got a BFA. But now you
Speaker 1: can get an MFA. So if you come having already
Speaker 1: gotten a bachelor's degree, somewhere you can get a master's degree.
Speaker 1: I went sort of right out of high school. Was
Speaker 1: it amazing, amazing experience? Was it tough? Was horrible? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was. I had an amazing experience. Not everyone does.
Speaker 1: Some people don't like it. Some people don't make it
Speaker 1: all the way through. They quit or they got kicked out.
Speaker 1: I don't think they did that so much anymore, but
Speaker 1: they used to keep people out if they weren't cutting it.
Speaker 1: And I had an amazing experience. It was exactly what
Speaker 1: I wanted. I completely fell in love with the kind
Speaker 1: of work we did, which is a lot of Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: a lot of Classics, and it was exactly what I needed.
Speaker 1: It was rigorous, was all day. We would get up
Speaker 1: early and have movement in the morning, and then voice
Speaker 1: in speech and then acting classes, and then we would
Speaker 1: rehearse at night. And it was all day every day.
Speaker 1: Living in New York, and as I stepped foot in
Speaker 1: New York. I was, you know home. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is where I belong and this is but it's intense,
Speaker 1: like it's it's a lot of work. It's you know,
Speaker 1: you spend all of your time with the same twenty people,
Speaker 1: so you become like a real family. How how many
Speaker 1: how incestious was it? Did you sleep with everyone? Four years?
Speaker 1: There's lots of sleeping around and some like real like
Speaker 1: some people were together for like three years or more
Speaker 1: and lots of sex was happening, and and fights. But
Speaker 1: also we really got along. We were like, we know,
Speaker 1: we would eat together, and we would you know, hang
Speaker 1: out together, and then we would fight and it was
Speaker 1: it was great. And then you know, some people don't
Speaker 1: don't stay in the business. Some people it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: A lot of people who leave Juilliard don't become actors
Speaker 1: after all. They become other things, you know, they either
Speaker 1: find another place in the business like directing or teaching,
Speaker 1: or or they'd leave the business ALD together. You know,
Speaker 1: people from my class left the business ald together and
Speaker 1: doing completely different things now, which is why of group
Speaker 1: thirty two, how many of them are now actors twenty
Speaker 1: years well, um, Jessica Chastain. Yeah, he's pretty good. Aboard Winner. Um,
Speaker 1: Luke McFarlane who's in Bros. Um, Yes, it's good. Using
Speaker 1: my class. This great actor named Jeff Beale who does
Speaker 1: tons of theater in New York and has been in
Speaker 1: lots of TV. He's still an amazing actor. Um, My
Speaker 1: good friend Graham Hamilton was Luke Skywalker in Bobo Fette Wow,
Speaker 1: and they like changed his face in his voice. They
Speaker 1: sort of like mixed his face and his voice with
Speaker 1: Mark Hamill. But I didn't like. I saw the show
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's that's Graham. I could like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't all his acting choices. Who else? There's also
Speaker 1: John Leye and Gardner, Oh, Jess Weisler is um is
Speaker 1: still an actor will Buy and Brink, and then a
Speaker 1: bunch of people who like are on after doing other things.
Speaker 1: So seven at seven out of twenty is pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah. Yeah, And there's a few others that
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking of right off the bat, but um,
Speaker 1: some people that some people, one guy died it was
Speaker 1: just really sad. And then like from the other years,
Speaker 1: there are like amazing people that have like like Oscar
Speaker 1: Isaac was a couple of years behind us. Anthony Mackie
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ahead of using paid And
Speaker 1: are you still close with any of these people or
Speaker 1: is it just lovely when you see them. I'm in
Speaker 1: touch pretty regularly with Jessica and Graham and Luke and
Speaker 1: I made a Christmas movie together, so that was really
Speaker 1: fun catch up and like hang out and fall pretend
Speaker 1: to fall in love with each other. And but any
Speaker 1: of them, I would be very happy to see if
Speaker 1: I ran into them. It's a real thing to guy
Speaker 1: for you together. Four years of that fucking imotional business.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it's it's way more. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's way more intense than college. And I
Speaker 1: would say I went to one year of community college
Speaker 1: in Texas, where I'm from before I came to New York,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those people moved to New York
Speaker 1: and were sort of my twenties friends. And I would
Speaker 1: say that I'm more I'm closer to that group of
Speaker 1: people than I am to my Juilliard friends, in part
Speaker 1: because I think Juilliard, the Juilliard family is more like
Speaker 1: family and less like friendships, because you don't it's not
Speaker 1: chosen family. You didn't choose them. You were chosen together,
Speaker 1: you know. And like my friends that I like stayed
Speaker 1: friends with and my friends that I've made since Juilliard,
Speaker 1: they're the ones I really picked. And that's why, Like
Speaker 1: there's a few people from Juilliard that I do think
Speaker 1: of all the time, and I do keep in touch
Speaker 1: with a lot. But that was like family that I
Speaker 1: was like, there's like we're more like cousins that we
Speaker 1: used to like you know, yeah, yeah, and we lived
Speaker 1: in a while or something, and I'm sure they've seen
Speaker 1: parts of you that you know, we're very I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of intimate and like barrassing and when you're
Speaker 1: trying stuff and vulnerable and yeah, like such a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of failure. And I saw them behave badly like
Speaker 1: we behave badly, you know, all that stuff. I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell a little story for the listener. We wanted
Speaker 1: Michael Eurie for Shrinking, and we asked him to do
Speaker 1: a tape for us. But we wanted him, were sort
Speaker 1: of embarrassed to usk for a tape, but we asked
Speaker 1: for a tape, and then we got the tape and
Speaker 1: the tape was so good that I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know this. I think I told your partner but
Speaker 1: that we put back in a line that we were
Speaker 1: going to remove from the script because you delivered that
Speaker 1: line so well in your tape. We were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fucking great line, and we put it back.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, we'd cut it. We'd cut the line
Speaker 1: because we're like, oh, we don't need that, and then
Speaker 1: you said it so beautifully. It was like, Yeah, that's lovely,
Speaker 1: let's have it back. What line was it, do you remember?
Speaker 1: I think it was it's in your speech in episode
Speaker 1: two when you burst into his office. I won't spoil it,
Speaker 1: but it was one line of that we've taken out,
Speaker 1: but but we haven't taken out. When we gave you
Speaker 1: the lines and you said it so well, it was like,
Speaker 1: that's definitely going back in. Oh my god, that scene is.
Speaker 1: It's just like, there's it's a cool thing about this show.
Speaker 1: And I've been talking about this and interviews and stuff, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not really in the first episode, but they did
Speaker 1: give me the script for the first episode when I auditioned,
Speaker 1: so I read this whole script that I'm not in,
Speaker 1: or that this character was not in and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: this is so good. Where would I fit? Where on
Speaker 1: earth would I fit in this world? And then all
Speaker 1: of my audition material was basically my stuff for the
Speaker 1: second episode, but I didn't get the second episode, and
Speaker 1: so I see all this material and I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this guy is world two and like
Speaker 1: it's so like, it's it's hilarious. He's neurotic, he's sweet,
Speaker 1: he's he's able to like fake a whole other guy.
Speaker 1: Like I get to do all the things of this
Speaker 1: one episode, and it was so cool. It was so
Speaker 1: exciting to read a script and think this would be
Speaker 1: cool show to be and I wish I had a
Speaker 1: part in it. I wish there was something for me.
Speaker 1: And then to then get all that material. How did
Speaker 1: you know? You say you were like you guys wanted me?
Speaker 1: And then I auditioned, How did you even? Like I
Speaker 1: didn't know any of you? I didn't. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I ever got a job. I didn't know anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we'd seen you. I'd always been aware of you.
Speaker 1: I think everyone was aware of you. And some people
Speaker 1: had seen you on stage and some people had seen it,
Speaker 1: liked you in TV you've done, and it was always
Speaker 1: a thing of because I think we'd wanted you for
Speaker 1: another show as well, Like you've been on the radar,
Speaker 1: You've been on You've been on the fucking rade out
Speaker 1: and it was like I think when and when when
Speaker 1: when we brought you up, It's like, oh, yeah, it's perfect,
Speaker 1: this is the guy. Oh anyway, we're very lucky to
Speaker 1: have you. You're very good in it. Well, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you quickly because I'm sure sure this is
Speaker 1: all you were asked in the press, which is in case,
Speaker 1: you know, it's random interviews. How was your first day
Speaker 1: with Anson food? Were you intimidated? I know you love
Speaker 1: each other, but was it scary or was it cool?
Speaker 1: I found the first day I met him to be
Speaker 1: scarier than the first day I worked with him, because
Speaker 1: it's also I mean I did, like I did lose sleep,
Speaker 1: you know, like in the nights before I was I
Speaker 1: was worried, but by the time I got there, I
Speaker 1: wasn't anymore, do you know what I mean? Like I've
Speaker 1: sort of sort of gotten it all out of my system,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'd gotten all of the thoughts about
Speaker 1: my entire life watching him, you know, like all the things. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't think about that when you're working with don't think
Speaker 1: Just treat him like another actor, just you know, like
Speaker 1: and that's what he doesn't want you to, you know,
Speaker 1: treat him like he's the star. He doesn't want you
Speaker 1: to treat him like you know, you had action figures
Speaker 1: of him. He doesn't want any of that shit. He
Speaker 1: wants to just like be an actor with you. And
Speaker 1: I hadn't been in any scenes with him, and it
Speaker 1: was just me and him first off, big scene, and
Speaker 1: I was like, just be cool, be cool. He's he'll
Speaker 1: eat your lunch if you don't like be cool. And
Speaker 1: when they called him, you know, he had his own
Speaker 1: golf art. They called it happened the Captain's golf cart.
Speaker 1: And I've never seen anyone drive a golf cart faster
Speaker 1: than Harrison Ford. But when it was time for us
Speaker 1: to go to set, even though the stage was like
Speaker 1: not that far away, I just popped in his golf cart.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's do this, let's go, Let's let's go.
Speaker 1: And and immediately like he was, I sat in the
Speaker 1: front seat. He was like, all right, let's go. And
Speaker 1: and I had said something like I'm excited to work
Speaker 1: with you. This is I think this would be really fun.
Speaker 1: And he was like, he was like, whoall see? And
Speaker 1: you know, he'd like to put on this like crab
Speaker 1: you know, this crabby thing. When you get on set
Speaker 1: and he's just like a regular you know, he's like,
Speaker 1: I think, what do you think? And he like he
Speaker 1: loves he loves asking questions, he loves getting direction. At
Speaker 1: one point, we're in the middle of the scene and
Speaker 1: he'd sort of just like stopped and he's like, let's
Speaker 1: start over. It's like great, okay, great. And at a
Speaker 1: certain point, you know, when they were moving the camera
Speaker 1: something I said, I said, you know, you're very good
Speaker 1: at this, and he goes, you just thought I was
Speaker 1: pretty base. Great. He was like, that's what all you
Speaker 1: real actors think, you know. I was like, you're you're
Speaker 1: fucking you're a real actor. And he is such such
Speaker 1: a good actor. It's like he doesn't get enough credit
Speaker 1: for being as good as he is because he's a
Speaker 1: movie star and because we're so accustomed to him, and
Speaker 1: which is used he does. I remember, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of times hearing people making small talk with him
Speaker 1: and saying things like this must be fun for you
Speaker 1: to get to do comedy must be really different for
Speaker 1: you to do comedy, And I just wanted to be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with you? This is one
Speaker 1: of the funniest movie stars we've got. Indiana Jones is
Speaker 1: a comedy. He's fucking funny. Yeah, he's funny and nice
Speaker 1: things unsigned it is funny, so funny, it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes he's not. Somebody's not funny in the Fugitive, you know,
Speaker 1: but like he's he can be funny. And we've all
Speaker 1: seen him be funny. What's what do you think? You know?
Speaker 1: And then and then and then to see him in
Speaker 1: Shrinking and now to watch it and see him be
Speaker 1: so funny and then so so heartbreaking. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of the saddest stuff in the show is is his stuff,
Speaker 1: and one of them I hadn't seen with him. I
Speaker 1: learned more from him in one second of about film
Speaker 1: acting than four years of Juliard. He had this scene.
Speaker 1: It was me and him um and his and his daughter,
Speaker 1: and I play his his lawyer. He's he's he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's um. He's dealing with his estate. He has Parkinson's
Speaker 1: and he has some some paperwork he's he's filling out
Speaker 1: with his daughter and played by Lily Rabe, who's so wonderful,
Speaker 1: And I had the first line, I'm having him signed something,
Speaker 1: and started the scene starts with me having him having
Speaker 1: him signed something. And you know, like I have a
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of where the camera is and what
Speaker 1: the camera can see, but it's nothing compared to him.
Speaker 1: And he said at one point, he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: just give me one second before you start talking. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, of course, whatever you need.
Speaker 1: And I sort of I couldn't really see what he
Speaker 1: was doing, and I couldn't really see I definitely couldn't
Speaker 1: see what the camera could see. But he basically like
Speaker 1: built this moment at the top of the scene on
Speaker 1: action before I started my business in my dialogue where
Speaker 1: he was like lost in thought, just just simply lost
Speaker 1: in thought, thinking about who knows what, and then he
Speaker 1: kind of gets it back and he and he joins
Speaker 1: the and he joins the room and joins the table,
Speaker 1: and it was something that like I couldn't tell it
Speaker 1: was happening, really couldn't tell it was happening. Only the
Speaker 1: camera could tell he was doing it. Only for the
Speaker 1: camera and it was like it was brilliant, just like
Speaker 1: I was like, this man, this man knows exactly where
Speaker 1: it is and how to and how to give it
Speaker 1: to the camera. Really beautiful. He's very good. Jessica Chespion
Speaker 1: told me some advice that al Pacino gave her because
Speaker 1: that she was in Salomy his like he did Salom
Speaker 1: the Oscar Wilde play. He did it as a reading
Speaker 1: forever and he likes to just like read things and
Speaker 1: work on things, and he did for years. And she
Speaker 1: did it with him in La, and I saw it
Speaker 1: was fantastic, very cool. But he would only never memorize it.
Speaker 1: He would always carry a script. And that was her
Speaker 1: kind of big break in La, was working with him
Speaker 1: in this and then and then they made a movie
Speaker 1: of it, which like came out like fifteen years later,
Speaker 1: and she became a star in the meantime. But he said,
Speaker 1: people always say you should pretend like the camera's not there,
Speaker 1: but that's not right. You have to include the camera
Speaker 1: and everything you do like the other character. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of like being on stage. I mean, it's sort
Speaker 1: of like when you're on stage, you have to include
Speaker 1: the audience. You just you know, like, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't play to the audience, you include them, and the
Speaker 1: camera's just, you know, that much closer. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Everybody Loves Rhyme. And we've never talked
Speaker 1: about this, but one of the reasons I genuinely think
Speaker 1: Everybody Loves Rhymand is one of the great underrated sitcoms.
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant writing, brilliant characters. I just think
Speaker 1: it's brilliant. But one of the things I love about
Speaker 1: it is that and you have articulate you in a
Speaker 1: way I've never able to is that it knows what
Speaker 1: to do with the live audience in a way that
Speaker 1: most sitcoms don't like. Like a lot of sitcoms, the
Speaker 1: live audience that you hear on screen are annoying. They're
Speaker 1: almost in the way of the thing. The actors don't
Speaker 1: react to them that they are this weird. Even though
Speaker 1: it's not fake, it sounds fake because it's disconnected from
Speaker 1: what's happening. Whereas in Everybody Laves Raymond, when they get
Speaker 1: a big laugh, they include the audience. There's a pause,
Speaker 1: they sort of sit in the laugh, so the laugh
Speaker 1: is part of the show. It is inclusive within it,
Speaker 1: and it translates. So when you watch at home, I
Speaker 1: find myself joyfully enjoying the live audience in a way
Speaker 1: that I don't often in a show with an audience,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think that's it.
Speaker 1: I think it's the actor's night. I think as they're
Speaker 1: mostly stand ups in it or whatever, but they don't
Speaker 1: break character, but they do sit in the laugh. There's
Speaker 1: a little glint of like letting the laugh happen, and
Speaker 1: you feel included in it. And then you think, you're like,
Speaker 1: what are they thinking about? And it makes yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so good. I'm thinking about like Brad imagining Brad Garrett,
Speaker 1: like getting a big laugh and just like space going
Speaker 1: you know, squiggly. Yeah, you're thinking about right now. That
Speaker 1: makes us and it makes us keep laugh. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen there? There's like there's somebody edited on YouTube
Speaker 1: the Big Bang Theory that they took out, they took
Speaker 1: out the lab. It's disturbing it oh upset, it hurts
Speaker 1: the laugh something. It's so weird because I'd ever watched
Speaker 1: that show. But somebody will come in and do something
Speaker 1: really weird and dumb, and then there's just silence for
Speaker 1: like third seconds. What on earth is happening in this time?
Speaker 1: And they're just standing there looking at each other and
Speaker 1: that cuts back and forth. Yeah, oh my god, brutal Michael.
Speaker 1: I've forgotten to tell you something, and I should have
Speaker 1: told you earlier. And we've been talking for about twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes now, and it's mad. But I haven't mentioned this.
Speaker 1: It was I think your publicist, and it free for
Speaker 1: me to tell you. So I'll just say you've died.
Speaker 1: You're dead. Oh yeah, you're dead. Sorry, Wow, I dead,
Speaker 1: You're dead. And my promise is to but yeah, probably
Speaker 1: your probably sayst tell me to tell you. They're preparing
Speaker 1: a statement that how did you die? Oh god, it's
Speaker 1: so sad. I was. I was at the movies just
Speaker 1: now today. Actually, I was seeing The Fableman's which is wonderful.
Speaker 1: At least I think it was wonderful. I don't remember
Speaker 1: how it ended. I was watching the filblems. I was
Speaker 1: very touched. I was moved. I cried a few times.
Speaker 1: I was joining my raisin nets and then and then I, oh,
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a I was trying
Speaker 1: not to oh oh, I choked on my raisinet. I
Speaker 1: mustn't because this is the thing. Because of my broken
Speaker 1: rib I'm doing everything. I cannot to cough, and so
Speaker 1: oh oh oh, I must have choked death. And I
Speaker 1: raised an act because I wouldn't cough. I wouldn't cough
Speaker 1: it up. Were you on your ring, you know Ryan
Speaker 1: was there. He must be devastated. Oh god, I bet
Speaker 1: he's really sad. And I bet he was going why
Speaker 1: didn't you make a noise? I couldn't. I couldn't because
Speaker 1: of my ribs. I didn't want to. Oh. I hope
Speaker 1: he finished the movie. It was great, it was really
Speaker 1: doing it. I'd respect him if he finished the movie,
Speaker 1: I think, is it because it from his point of view,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, he's dead now. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: leave now, he's still going to be dead. If I
Speaker 1: wait to the end of the film, he's still dead.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to go on with his life. So
Speaker 1: you know, start this very sweet. Do you worry about death.
Speaker 1: I don't worry about what happens when you die. I
Speaker 1: do worry about the end of life and what that
Speaker 1: might entail. And you know, the possibility of being alone
Speaker 1: and decrepit and unable to actually you know, like I've
Speaker 1: been thinking, you know, when I had this injury and
Speaker 1: happened before when I've been sicker, I've had some kind
Speaker 1: of injury and you can't do things or like it
Speaker 1: hurts to do, like it hurts to poop, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, it is this what it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: when I get old, Am I gonna it's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: to poop? And like, you know, so that I worry about.
Speaker 1: I am you know, I am nervous about about the
Speaker 1: end of life. And I think about like like my
Speaker 1: loved ones, like the end of my families, you know,
Speaker 1: in my if my if I outlive my family or
Speaker 1: my my loved ones, like watching people die, that I
Speaker 1: think about. But the afterlife I don't really think about.
Speaker 1: I don't really think. I don't really think that. I
Speaker 1: think I think we're you know, science and organ organisms
Speaker 1: and and that there's just that's that's that, and we
Speaker 1: live on and like the memory of others and not
Speaker 1: in our own spirits and stuff like that. Well you
Speaker 1: think for you your experiences whence you try and raising
Speaker 1: it black dead nothing yeah everything, yeah, yeah exactly, and
Speaker 1: and and the you know, like everything's it's the battery guys,
Speaker 1: and that's that. And you're okay with are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm okay because I'll live on in the memory of
Speaker 1: others for as long as I do. And you know,
Speaker 1: thanks to television that's forever and reruns. Well, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: going forever as long as I betties, you will live. Well,
Speaker 1: I got news for you, buddy boy. You're incorrect. There's
Speaker 1: a heaven and you're going. Even though you weren't a believer,
Speaker 1: you're going. Oh my god. Yeah, this is welcoming. It
Speaker 1: is good news, right, and it's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing? Movies? Okay, well it's gone who
Speaker 1: movies and everyone there is excited to meet you. They're
Speaker 1: big fans of all your work, but they want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your life. They want to talk
Speaker 1: about it through the ad move film because that's your
Speaker 1: favorite thing, and they're just trying to bunt And the
Speaker 1: first thing they ask you is what is the first
Speaker 1: film you remember seeing? Michael Yary, I remember I grew
Speaker 1: up in Texas and I'm from I was born in
Speaker 1: the Houston area, and my mother also born in Houston,
Speaker 1: raised in Houston, lived in Houston. A lot of her life.
Speaker 1: We later moved to the Dallas area and my dad's
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma and he moved to Houston. He was young,
Speaker 1: and we always loved going to movies. My family was
Speaker 1: a big movie going family, loved movies, really invested in
Speaker 1: things like that, movies and TV shows, but especially movies.
Speaker 1: And the first movie I remember going to I was
Speaker 1: probably like four or five. It was Pinocchio, Disney's Pinocchio
Speaker 1: on a rerelease, and it scared me. I remember it
Speaker 1: really scared me. When the boy turns into a donkey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really upset me, really scared me, cried and everything. Not
Speaker 1: the way so much or a boy come to life,
Speaker 1: it was the donkey. It was that like he becomes
Speaker 1: a donkey. That was really really upsetting. But the thing
Speaker 1: that and that that stayed with me for a long time.
Speaker 1: But the thing that, um that I actually remember more
Speaker 1: vividly and more emotionally from that day was that, you know,
Speaker 1: when we would go to the movies, it was a
Speaker 1: special occasion. And we didn't have a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were okay, we were you know, middle
Speaker 1: class maybe depending on you know, the year, lower middle class.
Speaker 1: My dad worked for an oil company and was it
Speaker 1: was off. He was often at risk getting laid off
Speaker 1: depending on you know, the oil or whatever. And did
Speaker 1: you have siblings. I had an older sister. She's seven
Speaker 1: years old, so you know, we lived in very different
Speaker 1: households because she's like seven. So but when she was
Speaker 1: going to college, I was starving middle school. So were
Speaker 1: very very different experiences. And she was like into sports
Speaker 1: and not into movies. And we had, you know, so
Speaker 1: we were very different from each other. Got along great,
Speaker 1: I think in part because we were so different and
Speaker 1: we were so far apart. And now she is she's
Speaker 1: a shrink. Actually she's a psychologist. Yeah, and she has
Speaker 1: a wife and kids and lives in California. And love her.
Speaker 1: She's she's she's she's terrific. Anyway, So my mom and
Speaker 1: I went to see Pinocchio together. It was just the
Speaker 1: two of us, and we would go. We would it
Speaker 1: would be a really special thing. We would get popcorn, candy, Soto,
Speaker 1: the whole you know everything. We would do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I still like to do that. I still when
Speaker 1: I go to the movies, I love the whole you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and it's the best. And I remember
Speaker 1: at a certain point during the movie, I was probably
Speaker 1: you know, like it was new to me. I hadn't
Speaker 1: been very much and or at all. Maybe at that
Speaker 1: point it might have been my first movie, or it's
Speaker 1: the first one I really remember, and I remember I
Speaker 1: think I was restless, and I think maybe I was
Speaker 1: getting a little rambunctious, which I was wont to do,
Speaker 1: and I knocked the popcorn over and it's spilled everywhere,
Speaker 1: and my mom was really sad about it, and she
Speaker 1: was really annoyed that I had done it, and you know,
Speaker 1: like I was probably a real handful then in general,
Speaker 1: and she was probably really enjoying the popcorn. And I
Speaker 1: remember feeling bad even at the time and saying, well,
Speaker 1: you can have your candy now, and her saying I
Speaker 1: don't want my candy now. Right. It was I felt
Speaker 1: so sad and it kind of ruined the whole day.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure like she was hoping that
Speaker 1: the movies would be just as I'm sure that she
Speaker 1: had all these ideas about what it would be like,
Speaker 1: you know, watching me watch Poko and getting a break,
Speaker 1: not having to entertain me for two hours, and then
Speaker 1: what do I I'm fucking not the popcorn over and
Speaker 1: she doesn't want her candy, and so like I remember
Speaker 1: the movie, I remember being scared of the donkey, But
Speaker 1: what I really remember was like hurting my mom's feelings
Speaker 1: and end upsetting her and christ I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: remember every time I ever hurt my mom's feelings. They're
Speaker 1: all burned into my soul. An wasn't nice to her,
Speaker 1: was uncool to her, and that was a big one.
Speaker 1: You now don't need to answer the question why are
Speaker 1: you an actor? Thank you? Thank you for retroactively answering
Speaker 1: that question. Oh my god, like back, that's genuinely heartbreaking. Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of heartbreaking, what's the film that made you cry
Speaker 1: the most? Are you a cryer? Yes? Yes, And it's
Speaker 1: been a problem today with this ribb in shrink because
Speaker 1: it hurts to cry. I cried, actually I was just
Speaker 1: before I got on with you. Ryan and I were
Speaker 1: watching we didn't see the Golden Globes last night, and
Speaker 1: we were watching speeches from the Golden Globes and they
Speaker 1: all cry, um, but um, I do cry. My dad
Speaker 1: cries at everything, but he like he like, he like
Speaker 1: gets emotional, like the national anthem, you know, or like
Speaker 1: any war movie, you know Hallmark commercials. Yeah, so I cry.
Speaker 1: I cry quite easily. But the movie that will always
Speaker 1: get me is ET. And I know exactly. It starts
Speaker 1: the second It's the music and everything about that movie,
Speaker 1: but it's the second E makes all the boys fly
Speaker 1: in their bikes at the end of the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it just gets worse and worse as I get older,
Speaker 1: And it starts there and it doesn't stop until the
Speaker 1: black hour at the end, until the end of time.
Speaker 1: I am. I haven't talked about ET on this podcast
Speaker 1: for a while, so we can talk about it. But like,
Speaker 1: I find that film so traumatic, Like I think back
Speaker 1: to my dad taking me and my sister to see it,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, why are you doing this to us?
Speaker 1: Like why are you punished? Like I'm crying, so I'm
Speaker 1: so sad. Why what made you bring us to this?
Speaker 1: You months? It is so traumatic? Explain you're thinking, Dad,
Speaker 1: it's like four years old. What what part have you thought?
Speaker 1: This would be a nice day out? That is so funny,
Speaker 1: so upset, it's so sad. There's so much sadness. There's
Speaker 1: so much sadness in that film. And then the horrible
Speaker 1: separation of Elliott and ET. It's really devastating. That's really devastating.
Speaker 1: And when he gets sick, oh my god, when it
Speaker 1: gets sick, it's so sad. It's so sad. And then
Speaker 1: he gets better, but then he has to go, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't He may as well be dead because he's
Speaker 1: getting late dying that vine. Yeah. God, have you seen
Speaker 1: the deleted scene with Harrison Ford? Yes, I have, I've
Speaker 1: forgotten it. What I forgot that I exists? The teacher? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think you don't see his face. Is that right?
Speaker 1: You don't see his face because you don't see any
Speaker 1: adult male faces until Peter Coyote at the end. That right.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. And I believe Harrison was married
Speaker 1: to the woman who wrote ET. Yes, he was, Melissa
Speaker 1: um Mathieson Party. No, that can't be right, Melissa Manchester.
Speaker 1: I think it's Matheson Manchester math Matheson, Yeah he was,
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. Oh. I mean. The other one that
Speaker 1: I feel similar about is Matilda the musical. I think
Speaker 1: that's the saddest thing since at I don't know why
Speaker 1: people think that's fun. I'm like, is the saddest story
Speaker 1: ever tell? So sad that poor girl and the poor woman,
Speaker 1: The poor woman. Oh yeah, everybody in that story is
Speaker 1: so sad. Even Miss Trench was. She's so sad. I
Speaker 1: know she didn't. She wasn't going that way. Someone that way,
Speaker 1: people have paper. Someone terrible made her pick up a
Speaker 1: child by her pigtails. And what's the film that scared you? Device?
Speaker 1: Do you like being scared? I don't being scared. I
Speaker 1: like a thrill, like a rollercoaster. And I do enjoy
Speaker 1: like like a cheesy horror movie like I just saw
Speaker 1: Megan in the theater, which was really right, really, but
Speaker 1: and I can really appreciate a movie like Alien and
Speaker 1: on second viewing, especially once I know where everything is,
Speaker 1: like where all the scares are, I really can enjoy
Speaker 1: a movie. Or sometimes if something's really scary, I'll ask
Speaker 1: what happens, Just tell me everything that happens so that
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it. But I'm I will let close mine.
Speaker 1: I will, like you know, shield my eyes because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of being scared. And Ryan, my partner, he
Speaker 1: loves scary movies like he will watch any of them,
Speaker 1: he will watch all of them, and he's obsessed with them.
Speaker 1: And so when we first started going out over fourteen
Speaker 1: years ago. We both love movies, and so we were
Speaker 1: like watching movies and going to the movies, and and
Speaker 1: I wanted him to, you know, I didn't. Why didn't
Speaker 1: want to. I didn't want to put a damper on
Speaker 1: any of our movie watching experiences. So I let him
Speaker 1: pick movies. I picked some movie that let him pick,
Speaker 1: and he always would pick horror movies, scary movies, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it took a while before
Speaker 1: I finally had the heart to tell him, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like these. They really upset me. Um, can
Speaker 1: we please, please, yes, please keep dating me, but please
Speaker 1: can watch the comedy or you know, like musical or
Speaker 1: a tear jerker. I'd I'd love that, but I can't
Speaker 1: watch anymore of these scary movies. They're so scary. In fact,
Speaker 1: he took me to one of our first dates. I
Speaker 1: think our first time going to the theater was Twilight,
Speaker 1: the original Twilight, which is not scary, but I thought
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be scary because he
Speaker 1: said it's a vampire movie, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, and we're like in the dark, and I'm
Speaker 1: so scared. And then of course it starts so I'm like,
Speaker 1: well this is this isn't scary at all. Ended up
Speaker 1: being a teeny bopper movie. But the movie that scared
Speaker 1: me the most, Yeah, Ryan showed me was a movie
Speaker 1: called The dece Do not the Descent. It's full. That
Speaker 1: movie's terrifying. Yeah, it was terrifying before the Goblins or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it was the first hour. It's terrifying. It's the
Speaker 1: spelunking like thriller. All these people going into these caves,
Speaker 1: spelunking in tiny little areas, getting stuck and wedged, and
Speaker 1: the cameras right in there with you. And then there
Speaker 1: are demons and goblins and ghosts in the tiny caves
Speaker 1: killing people, breaking bones, ripping off flesh, and it's so graphic,
Speaker 1: or in my mind it is. I don't even I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't as graphic as I thought it was,
Speaker 1: but I can still see breaking bones and hear them,
Speaker 1: and I see blood, and it's so like it's still
Speaker 1: like seared into my memory. And and I would do
Speaker 1: this thing. I did this when I was a kid too, whenever,
Speaker 1: like somebody would want, because my dad likes scary movies.
Speaker 1: Whenever they would put scary movies on it. I would
Speaker 1: do this where I would sort of sort of leave
Speaker 1: the room, like I would just sort of step out,
Speaker 1: like get like like get further away from the TV
Speaker 1: like it like it would protect me. Or I would
Speaker 1: like literally go in the other room and like just peek.
Speaker 1: And this happened during the descent. I kept leaving the
Speaker 1: room and going into the kitchen and like doing nothing
Speaker 1: and like be like, what's happening now, you know, like
Speaker 1: like what what what was that sound? It's like woman
Speaker 1: a posit? No, no, posit. That's fine. And then he
Speaker 1: finally was like why do you keep going in there?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm scared shit out of me
Speaker 1: and it is. And so he still gets me to
Speaker 1: watch scary movies from time to time, but he has
Speaker 1: to like talk me through them or or tell me
Speaker 1: everything that happened. Sometimes I'll like google the movie before
Speaker 1: going to see it and just like get all the
Speaker 1: you know, if you can do the common sense media,
Speaker 1: you get like the parental advisory exaction of it that
Speaker 1: will be cracking of skin. Okay, forty three minutes your
Speaker 1: eyes forty three minutes is an impale it and I
Speaker 1: know it's coming, and you can sort of tell them.
Speaker 1: It's like like like some movies they like, they like
Speaker 1: build to a scare and that I can do. It's
Speaker 1: the movies where something comes out of nowhere. And like
Speaker 1: ever since Meet Joe Black. You know that movie Meet
Speaker 1: Joe Black where he gets hit by the bus. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was that. I think everything is pre Like you
Speaker 1: know they say Psycho is the beginning of modern movies.
Speaker 1: I think it's Meet Joe Black, because ever since Meet
Speaker 1: Joe Black, someone can get hit by a bus at
Speaker 1: any moment. You're not wrong. Ever since Meet jo Black,
Speaker 1: people stepping into rights is a scary thing now because
Speaker 1: then it did become a thing in films. Yes, an yeah,
Speaker 1: people were often suddenly getting hit by things when they
Speaker 1: stepped into right. It's you're right. And so you see
Speaker 1: someone step into a road and you can't see, you
Speaker 1: can't and they don't look, they don't look both ways,
Speaker 1: and you can't see. They might get hit by a
Speaker 1: car and it happens so often. People They use that
Speaker 1: so much in movies Final Destination, Oh, yes, scary, Mean Girls,
Speaker 1: Mean Girls, Yeah, all the horrible. What is the film
Speaker 1: that people don't like? It's not critically acclaimed, but you
Speaker 1: love it unconditionally. Oh well, so there's kind of a lot.
Speaker 1: I do have a tendency to watch movies that people
Speaker 1: don't love, and I sort of become obsessed with them,
Speaker 1: or like I can't stop thinking about them. There's this
Speaker 1: movie and I don't know that it wasn't loved, but
Speaker 1: it would be, you know, kind of they would kind
Speaker 1: of laugh at me for saying so anything with Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1: First of all, I just think he's really really good movies. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I think you've talked about this on this podcast.
Speaker 1: You've talked about this movie before. I've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about this. But there's a movie called cohn Air. Yes, konnect.
Speaker 1: Our friend Kristin Miller said Connor was trash, and for that,
Speaker 1: I say, Kristin Miller is because kahn Air is lawless.
Speaker 1: And it was it was at that time when when
Speaker 1: these big Michael Bay movies were coming with these long
Speaker 1: shots and lots of explosions. The Rock had just come.
Speaker 1: I think I think Conne was like right after the Rock.
Speaker 1: And con Air, of course, is a movie about a
Speaker 1: bunch of convicted criminals hijacking a plane, and Nicholas Cage
Speaker 1: is the good guy who was you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was wrongfully accused, but he was thrown in
Speaker 1: jail for like defending somebody or defending his wife's honor
Speaker 1: or something like that. He was like a Green Beret
Speaker 1: or whatever. And he's on the plane and he's the
Speaker 1: only chance that the guards who have now been taken
Speaker 1: prisoner have to survive. And it is so thrilling. John
Speaker 1: Malkovich being rams and then like John Cusack on the
Speaker 1: ground is the FBI agent on the ground trying to
Speaker 1: like you know, and I love every second of it
Speaker 1: and I can't I can't get enough. But it is
Speaker 1: People off say that it's not a good movie, and
Speaker 1: to that, I say, that's wrong. It is. Nicholas Cage
Speaker 1: just made lots of them. He's another there's another one
Speaker 1: with it called Knowing this movie. Yeah, well he knows
Speaker 1: when the end of the world is. Yes, it's like
Speaker 1: the number twenty three film. Yes, I saw that movie
Speaker 1: and it became so I became obsessed with it, so
Speaker 1: much so that I went the next day. I saw
Speaker 1: twice in two days in the theater. I became so
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. And it's it's probably not a very
Speaker 1: good movie, but I just couldn't get enough of it.
Speaker 1: I'm made Ryan go. I was like, we have to
Speaker 1: go in to go. I can't stop thinking about this
Speaker 1: movie once a film that you used to love, but
Speaker 1: you've watched recently and you've gone, I don't like this anymore.
Speaker 1: This is a tough one for me because it's a
Speaker 1: movie that I not only did I love, but it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, one of those movies that you
Speaker 1: see in your teens that makes you want to be
Speaker 1: in movies and be an actor and like and it
Speaker 1: was actually ruined for me by a teacher from Juilliard.
Speaker 1: I know it's Forrest Gump. Okay, so that's interesting. I
Speaker 1: go on, tell me, so, I loved Forrest Gump and
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks a hero is a hero still and it
Speaker 1: still remains a hero for sure. And you know, he
Speaker 1: went back to back oscars for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump.
Speaker 1: And I was like thirteen or twelve or something when
Speaker 1: Forrest Gum came out and we all went like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like this incredible thing. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: it was one of those movies that came out when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager where it just fired on all
Speaker 1: cylinders for me, and I remember thinking, this is this
Speaker 1: is this is cinema, and this is what you know,
Speaker 1: I want to do with my life, and I want
Speaker 1: to be like Tom Hanks and make you know, a
Speaker 1: movie like Philadelphia and a movie like Forrest Gump. And
Speaker 1: then and then it came up once in you know,
Speaker 1: a discussion in a class at Juilliard, and this teacher
Speaker 1: said she didn't like it. She said, that's not a
Speaker 1: good movie. And we were all like, what what are
Speaker 1: you talking. She's like, no, it's actually not a good movie.
Speaker 1: And her reasoning was that it trivialized history by putting
Speaker 1: one character, and specifically this kind of a character that's essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, like an arguably offensive portrayal of an individual
Speaker 1: who is learning impaired and putting him at the forefront
Speaker 1: of all of these huge historical moments. That it actually
Speaker 1: trivialized history and trivialized this person by by making him
Speaker 1: sort of fall into history this way. And I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily agree. And I have seen the movie since and
Speaker 1: I do still feel the same things I felt, but
Speaker 1: I can't watch it without thinking about that it has
Speaker 1: completely colored the experience forever for me, and especially any
Speaker 1: of those seen he's on the deck Cavs show, or
Speaker 1: he's meeting you know, Nicksoner or Jfker, or he's you know,
Speaker 1: on the steps of the mall for for the Vietnam
Speaker 1: m marches. And it's just like, I can't help but
Speaker 1: think this is be trivializes history and it and it's
Speaker 1: insulting to two people like Forrest Gump, and so it's
Speaker 1: kind of been ruined for me. So it's not quite
Speaker 1: I haven't quite changed my opinion about it, but it's tainted.
Speaker 1: She's tanted it. She tinted it. She tainted it. This
Speaker 1: woman tainted it. I had something he loved and she
Speaker 1: tainted it. What is the film that means the most
Speaker 1: to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but the experience you had around seeing it will always
Speaker 1: make it special to you. Mister Michael Yury, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings around the movie Titanic. I don't
Speaker 1: think I you know, like it came out when I
Speaker 1: was in high school. I went with my high school girlfriend.
Speaker 1: It was like one of one of these fantastic dates.
Speaker 1: And then he was re released when I was with
Speaker 1: Ryan went to Juilliard too, but he went when after
Speaker 1: he went much later than I did with the same age,
Speaker 1: but he went much later, and he wants like skipped
Speaker 1: school for us to go on a day to see Titanic,
Speaker 1: And so I just feel like as a movie going experience,
Speaker 1: that movie meant so much to me in my like
Speaker 1: romantic life between my you know, like my first love
Speaker 1: and my my major love. And but there's a movie
Speaker 1: that the experience of going to see was so thrilling
Speaker 1: and so surprising that it kind of reinvigorated my love
Speaker 1: of going to the movies because I always love going
Speaker 1: these And then, like you know, I became more of
Speaker 1: a theater person, more of a TV person for a while.
Speaker 1: And then I went with a big group of people
Speaker 1: to see Mad Max Fury Road Right, which is like
Speaker 1: a pretty much perfect movie, so thrilling, and it's it's
Speaker 1: essentially this movie is essentially it's essentially two long chase scenes.
Speaker 1: It's basically all it is. It's like a chase in
Speaker 1: one direction and then a chase in the other direction.
Speaker 1: And there's a part in the movie that's like forty
Speaker 1: five minutes in where it stops and it has been
Speaker 1: going NonStop for forty five minutes and then something crazy happens.
Speaker 1: There's a crash or something. It fades to black, and
Speaker 1: there's a break based like a scene change, like a blackout.
Speaker 1: And when I went to see it, I went to
Speaker 1: see it in a big group of people, like a
Speaker 1: group of like a cast of a play. It was
Speaker 1: like twelve of us, and it packs theater and that happened,
Speaker 1: and we didn't really know. We were like, let's go
Speaker 1: see that whatever, let's go see a mad back. I've
Speaker 1: never seen any of the Mad Max movies. It was
Speaker 1: not on my radar, but I'll see I love action movies.
Speaker 1: I'll see any and I'll see anything in a group,
Speaker 1: and here we are seeing Mad Packs. It starts our
Speaker 1: you know, it makes our our skin melt for the
Speaker 1: first forty five minutes, and then this crazy thing happens.
Speaker 1: There's a crash, it sort of fades to black, there's
Speaker 1: like a flare. I think that like goes out, and
Speaker 1: then it's suddenly quiet, and this is a packed house.
Speaker 1: Three hundred people audibly exhaled at the same all of us,
Speaker 1: like we had been holding our around for forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: and we audibly and then we laughed because we heard
Speaker 1: each other like tail at the same time, and then
Speaker 1: we all laugh and then the movie started up again
Speaker 1: and it's sort of slow and then and it is
Speaker 1: just And I've watched that movie many times since then,
Speaker 1: and I always feel that at that point, and it
Speaker 1: was it was one of those like, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: why we have to have movies. We have to go
Speaker 1: to the movies. We have to be there together, and
Speaker 1: the more people the better. Like I like going when
Speaker 1: it's packed. I like seeing a packed being sitting in
Speaker 1: a packed house. And I like when people talk to
Speaker 1: the movie. I like I like when people call out,
Speaker 1: this is so exciting. I love that. And that was
Speaker 1: just a throw. That's a very good answer. What's the
Speaker 1: film you mice relate to? So I would say the
Speaker 1: film that I most relate to is Billy Elliott. Please
Speaker 1: elaborate because because he's a no than he's a little
Speaker 1: than British boy who would say, I mean, I get it,
Speaker 1: I did get it. It's just a family of miners. Um,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, but I was this
Speaker 1: kid who you know, there were no other artists in
Speaker 1: my family, right, there's no other I mean, I had
Speaker 1: an uncle who was a poet, but like not no
Speaker 1: performers and no nobody in show business. We liked going
Speaker 1: to the movies, but it was a complete, you know,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a whole different, you know world. It
Speaker 1: was like there was no way to get Hollywood, Like
Speaker 1: there was no way for me. Getting to Hollywood seemed impossible.
Speaker 1: And in the last few years of high school, I
Speaker 1: started to you know, like get good at acting, Like
Speaker 1: people started to notice me. I started to get laughs.
Speaker 1: That's what it really was is I would be in
Speaker 1: place and I would get laughs, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so weird. I just tried something and they laughed,
Speaker 1: and and it was I think because of that that
Speaker 1: a teacher encouraged me to audition for Juilliard. And my
Speaker 1: parents were like, they didn't understand. They had saved up
Speaker 1: enough money for me to go to a state school
Speaker 1: in Texas for four years, and that covered one year
Speaker 1: of Juilliard. That was a number one year, and the
Speaker 1: rest was just debt and you know, student loans or
Speaker 1: or um scholarships or whatever. And Juilliard's really great about that.
Speaker 1: They really help you and you know, steer you in
Speaker 1: the right direction. But I remember my my my parents
Speaker 1: being like when I said I went to an audition,
Speaker 1: they were like, we don't know how this could work.
Speaker 1: We don't know how we help you go to Juilliard
Speaker 1: like and I was like, you guys, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to get in. It's so
Speaker 1: it's such a hard like thousands of people audition and
Speaker 1: they only take like twenty I'm not I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get in. Don't worry about it. And my mom
Speaker 1: and dad were like, we think you might. And that
Speaker 1: was the first time that I was like whoa because
Speaker 1: they didn't know, you know, they didn't know what to
Speaker 1: do with me, just like Billy Elliott's dad doesn't know
Speaker 1: what to do with him. Thank you. And and and
Speaker 1: then Billy Billy Elliot came out when I was in school.
Speaker 1: I was I was in New York. I believe I
Speaker 1: had already moved to New York. And I saw it.
Speaker 1: I just sobbed and saw it and sabbed and and
Speaker 1: I just related to him so much, this little like
Speaker 1: this little kid who doesn't belong and you know, not
Speaker 1: that I was different from my family in general, but
Speaker 1: that part of, you know, that part of me that
Speaker 1: wanted to go off and be an actor in audition
Speaker 1: for a drama school and become an actor that was
Speaker 1: very different, and they didn't know how they were going
Speaker 1: to pay for it. And then I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was all through college, I would call my
Speaker 1: parents every Sunday. And one Sunday I called it and
Speaker 1: they said, have you seen this new movie Billy Elliott?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, yeah, I saw it, and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, it made us think. And my
Speaker 1: mom said when it ended, oh no, I think she said.
Speaker 1: At one point your father turned to me sobbing and said,
Speaker 1: that's just like Michael. And and that was when I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, they saw it. I saw it, and
Speaker 1: it was like it was it was and then and
Speaker 1: then they, of course, like like Billy's dad, they ended
Speaker 1: up being really supportive. I mean, we didn't fight like
Speaker 1: they fight. Wasn't it was, it was you can't. And
Speaker 1: then I haven't seen it in a long time, actually,
Speaker 1: and I should watch it again because I'm sure it
Speaker 1: would make me just weep again. That's another heartbreaking story.
Speaker 1: You kill him, You're killing me. Funny Billy Elliott anecdote.
Speaker 1: M there's this wonderful actor named Will Blum in New York.
Speaker 1: He he just finished understudying Beetles Juice and he was
Speaker 1: my understudy and torch Song and he's really really good
Speaker 1: and really funny, and he does this thing. He got
Speaker 1: stoned ones. I think it's okay that I say this.
Speaker 1: Um he got stoned ones. And he became obsessed with
Speaker 1: the idea of saying Billy Elliott with only one syllable,
Speaker 1: and so here here's here's my version of it. It's
Speaker 1: Billy Elliott with one syllable. It goes like this, but
Speaker 1: I hear it. It's all there. We're waste in time
Speaker 1: when he's less Michael, let's get into why we're really here.
Speaker 1: What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: So I thought about this one because, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like I thought about the movies that like helped me
Speaker 1: sort of with my my like adult more adult sexual awakening,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was really discovering my queerness and
Speaker 1: which was which was probably you know, ultimately later the
Speaker 1: movies like Each Mama Tummy in which was like that
Speaker 1: was oh my gosh, wait a minute, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: there's a girl girl, but there's also boys and and
Speaker 1: then a movie like Um Love Fell or Compassion the
Speaker 1: great Terence and Natalie play where there's all these naked
Speaker 1: men and I'm seeing penises and all this stuff. That
Speaker 1: was like really like WHOA, what's this? This is so exciting.
Speaker 1: But but I think the movie that like one of
Speaker 1: one of the movies and and and one that I
Speaker 1: feel like both made me corny and sexy and kind
Speaker 1: of made me gay and has a wonderful correlation to
Speaker 1: us and our lives together is Working Girl, starring the
Speaker 1: Great Melanie Griffith, Sigourney Weaver, and our pal Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1: It has an incredibly sexy performance by Melanie Griffith, who
Speaker 1: is like effortlessly sexy. She can't help it be sexy
Speaker 1: anywhere she goes this like sort of stoic and cold
Speaker 1: and unappealing sex from Sigourney Weaver, who is like a
Speaker 1: brilliant actor but like not really actually very sexy. And
Speaker 1: then Harrison has one of the sexiest comedy scenes when
Speaker 1: he takes off his shirt in his office and the
Speaker 1: entire office is outside. Remember this scene, He's he's come
Speaker 1: back to the office. He's been in his clothes all
Speaker 1: night and he comes back to the office and he's
Speaker 1: changing his shirt. He has a spare shirt in his
Speaker 1: office and there's all these windows in his office to
Speaker 1: the rest of the office, and he takes off his
Speaker 1: shirt and he's like wiping the sweat with his old shirt,
Speaker 1: pouring water from a picture and like and then he
Speaker 1: looks and all of the secretaries are outside watching and
Speaker 1: he looks at them and they all applaud and he's
Speaker 1: on the phone and he sees them applauding, and he
Speaker 1: goes and he liked takes about so hot, so sexy.
Speaker 1: But there's also a scene where Melanie Griffith, well this
Speaker 1: is scene Melanie Griffin's vacuuming naked, which is really cute.
Speaker 1: But there's another scene she walks in on her boyfriend
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, Alec Baldwin, and he's
Speaker 1: having sex with somebody else and they're like totally naked.
Speaker 1: And this is a movie that like, I watched because
Speaker 1: I loved the movie and I thought it was fun
Speaker 1: and exciting, But then this scene came along and it's
Speaker 1: really sexy. Alec Baldwin and this woman I don't know
Speaker 1: who it is, and they're having sex and she's riding
Speaker 1: him and it's really sexy. And I we were thinking,
Speaker 1: this is like, you know, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to watch certain things and certainly didn't
Speaker 1: really have porn. We didn't have the Internet, we didn't
Speaker 1: have porn. And I remember this was like a safe
Speaker 1: movie I was allowed to watch. I had it on
Speaker 1: video and I could watch that scene whenever I wanted,
Speaker 1: and it was really hot. And it's also gay cannon.
Speaker 1: This movie is gay cannon because because Melanie Griffith is
Speaker 1: essentially like a drag queen, she is like essentially this
Speaker 1: female freak in that that would inspire a generation of
Speaker 1: gay men. A woman who is beautiful and sexy and
Speaker 1: brilliant but doesn't have confidence and doesn't have any privilege
Speaker 1: and finds her way into the workforce in using her smarts.
Speaker 1: And it's the kind of a it's the kind of
Speaker 1: a character that you know, like gay men over time,
Speaker 1: you know, like like the Joan Crawford characters and Betty
Speaker 1: Davis characters will would glom onto and would emulate. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's Joan Cusack, and then there's sexy Alec Baldwin, and
Speaker 1: then there's sweet and wonderful Harrison Ford and I actually
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to tell him that the movie with
Speaker 1: um and he was like, what is that even mean?
Speaker 1: But I think when I think about like when I
Speaker 1: think about sexy movie, that one that one always comes
Speaker 1: to mind. It's such a good movie, such a fantastic film.
Speaker 1: What about the subcategory? And traveling by is worrying? Why
Speaker 1: Dunes filmy founder rousing? You went, sure you should? So
Speaker 1: this one is, I would say The Little Mermaid for
Speaker 1: a few reasons. Ariel is so very sexy, and she's
Speaker 1: also a child. Like, not only is she a cartoon
Speaker 1: and a mermaid, she's a teenager essentially, so like like
Speaker 1: way too young. Yeah, not right for me in a
Speaker 1: million ways, but like she's so she's so hot. And
Speaker 1: then her Eric guy is so sexy. There's all these
Speaker 1: sexy mer people all over that movie. And then I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, but the poster for
Speaker 1: The Little Mermaid, like the art and you can look
Speaker 1: at it now and you can see it's it's like
Speaker 1: a city underwater, like an underwater city with you know,
Speaker 1: mermaids like splashing out and there's all these other characters
Speaker 1: and stuff. But in this city there are buildings that
Speaker 1: are phallick, that are fully phalli and she's she's come,
Speaker 1: that's come everywhere. Now I think about it, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like foamy foamy spray everywhere. And I and there
Speaker 1: was um when I was in high school. You know,
Speaker 1: that movie came out probably when I was in like
Speaker 1: elementary school, in middle school. But when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, I remember going to a girlfriend's house and
Speaker 1: you know, looking at this. She had the VHS and
Speaker 1: we looked at it and she was like, look at
Speaker 1: all these penises, and she was like, you want to
Speaker 1: watch this movie, and we will put this movie on,
Speaker 1: and then like and then like fooled around to that
Speaker 1: movie something like it's like, this is not We're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be having sex to this movie. This is
Speaker 1: so inappropriate. But we got off on the famous buildings
Speaker 1: and then and then all these sexy little murk people.
Speaker 1: I get it. So I get it objectively though objectively,
Speaker 1: what's the greatest film of all time? I think objectively
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park is the greatest film of all time. I'd say,
Speaker 1: you're correct it really, It's an answer I wouldn't argue with.
Speaker 1: I've seen it many many times. I saw it in
Speaker 1: the theater like nine times or something. I've seen it
Speaker 1: many times since then. I've seen all of its sequels
Speaker 1: that that are the pale in comparison. But it shot
Speaker 1: for shot, performance for performance, graphic for graphic, the music,
Speaker 1: the production, the story, it's flawless. It's just incredible. It is.
Speaker 1: And it's still scary. And the dinosaurs still look reeler
Speaker 1: than in anything since. They look realer than in anything
Speaker 1: in any Lord of the Rings, in any Game Thrones,
Speaker 1: in any subsequent Jurassic Park movie. Yeah, and it's funny,
Speaker 1: and it's funny. He's got real good what's the film
Speaker 1: you could or have? What's the mist? Ivan Iver? Again?
Speaker 1: It's Batman, Jack Nicholson, best batman, you know, incredible joker.
Speaker 1: It introduced me to Jack Nicholson, who's my favorite actor?
Speaker 1: Is he? Love that? Love him? He's fucking great, He's
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. And I often, many times a year, will
Speaker 1: look back on his movies and and I'm heartbroken that
Speaker 1: we haven't had a new one in like twenty years.
Speaker 1: Has it been twenty years? Well, I don't know The
Speaker 1: Departed or there was. I think The Departed was maybe
Speaker 1: his last movie. It's been a lot. What about something's
Speaker 1: got to give? Who was that that shit? At least ten?
Speaker 1: At least ten? What is are we then to be negatives?
Speaker 1: Would do it quick? What's the worst film you ever seen?
Speaker 1: Focus focus? This is a movie yeah, going at Middler
Speaker 1: and um there, And I didn't see it until a
Speaker 1: few years ago. And as a gay person, I can
Speaker 1: say that we're all wrong. I gay people love this movie.
Speaker 1: We're wrong. It's fucking terrible. It's atrocious. It's trash. Take
Speaker 1: it out of the guy cannon than it should be out.
Speaker 1: You should go. It should come out and working its place.
Speaker 1: What's the film? You're a comedy, you're very funny. What's
Speaker 1: the film that made you laugh the most? It's Arthur?
Speaker 1: Oh really, Arthur makes me laugh. There's actually a line
Speaker 1: in Arthur where he laughs and someone says, what's so funny?
Speaker 1: And he goes. Sometimes I just think funny things, and like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I think about Arthur and I just laugh. And
Speaker 1: I have a few friends that we'll just quote Arthur
Speaker 1: all the time. I think the more complete genius And
Speaker 1: that's one of the sweetest, funniest movies. I watch it
Speaker 1: at least once a year. Usually more and it makes
Speaker 1: me laugh every time. Every scene so funny. Do you
Speaker 1: like Arthur two on the Rocks note as much? Okay?
Speaker 1: And I didn't see the refused Michael Yury. You have
Speaker 1: been wonderful as expected. However, when you went to see
Speaker 1: The Fableman's and you were having a lovely time with
Speaker 1: your guy and you've broken the ribs, who're try and
Speaker 1: be quiet, and you're eating your raisin nets, and then
Speaker 1: you started choking on a raisinet and you thought, I
Speaker 1: can't it's not I don't mind making a scene. You
Speaker 1: were thinking, if anything, I love making a scene, but
Speaker 1: my rib hats, so I mustn't make a noise. And
Speaker 1: stupidly it meant no one noticed you collapse. You died
Speaker 1: on the floor. Ryan sat there, looks down and he goes, fuck,
Speaker 1: you know he's dead. But I am enjoying this film.
Speaker 1: I won't say anything to the films for this. He
Speaker 1: gets so caught up in the movie he forgets that
Speaker 1: you're there. He leaves, thinks he saw it. I'm wandering
Speaker 1: around with a coffin wondering I think going to go
Speaker 1: to the next screening of The favor Mons because I
Speaker 1: wanted to see it, and I'm bumping. Sorry, I'll sit down, Okay,
Speaker 1: fucking out? Is that Michael Ury? Oh he's dead, poor bastard. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you your throat was swelled up from from the choking,
Speaker 1: your ribs sticking out, So I have to get a
Speaker 1: couple of uses. I say, come over here, we better
Speaker 1: chop him up. We chop you up, we stuff you
Speaker 1: in a coffin. There's more of you than I was expecting.
Speaker 1: For sure, it's absolutely rammed in there. There's only enough
Speaker 1: room in this coffin to slide one DVD into it
Speaker 1: for you to take across to the other side. And
Speaker 1: on the other side, it's movie night every night. What
Speaker 1: film are you taking to show the movie people of
Speaker 1: movie Heaven? When it is your night, Michael Yury. On
Speaker 1: the other side, we're watching the Great Milo's Foreman film Armadaeus.
Speaker 1: Behold the masterpiece. That is ards perfect film. Congratulations, you've
Speaker 1: you've passed now before we say goodbye. Is there anything
Speaker 1: people should look out for and watch other than shrinking?
Speaker 1: On Apple TV? I have a fun voice with your
Speaker 1: pal Hannah Waddington in Crap Popolas and wigm Yes, crap Popolas.
Speaker 1: I'm brilliant, great which is on Fox coming to Fox, fantastic. Um,
Speaker 1: I play the Messenger Guard Hermes and very funny show.
Speaker 1: She's so good in it, and um, and then I'm
Speaker 1: also in the movie of Jersey Boys, the musical The
Speaker 1: four Seed filmed on stage starring Nick Jonas's Frankie Valley.
Speaker 1: I don't know when that's coming out. And then Shrinking,
Speaker 1: Michael Yury, You're brilliant. We're lucky to have you. God
Speaker 1: bless you, sir. Good day to you. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: such a pleasure. So that was episode two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty four. Head of the Patreon at patreon dot com.
Speaker 1: Forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra thirty minutes of chat,
Speaker 1: secrets and video with Michael. Don't miss the first four
Speaker 1: episodes of Shrinking, now available on Apple tv plus. Go
Speaker 1: to Apple Podcasts. Give us five stars. But instead of
Speaker 1: talking about this show, talk about the film that means
Speaker 1: the most to you and why some people have been
Speaker 1: writing some very beautiful things. My neighbor Mauren really appreciates it.
Speaker 1: Also special mentioned to Stuart Goldsmith, who has been on
Speaker 1: films to be Buried with in the early days. You
Speaker 1: can look back at that episode. He's also the host
Speaker 1: of one of my favorite podcasts, Comedian Comedian Podcasts or
Speaker 1: com com pod. He's got his own special. It is
Speaker 1: called I Need You Alive. You can find details for
Speaker 1: it at Stuart Goldsmith dot com. It is going to
Speaker 1: premiere worldwide online the twenty third of February at eight
Speaker 1: pm with an online after party and a meet and
Speaker 1: greet with Stewart. Check it out. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: to Michael for giving me his time. Thanks to Grubious
Speaker 1: Pippen the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for
Speaker 1: producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thank you
Speaker 1: all for listening. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics
Speaker 1: and Lisa laid Them for the photography. Come and join
Speaker 1: me next week for another smash her of a guest.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening. I do hope you will.
Speaker 1: But that is it for now. So in the meantime,
Speaker 1: have a lovely week, and please, now more than ever,
Speaker 1: be excellent to each other.