1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you my life and look 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: over there. How is that culture? Yes, goodness ding dong 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: lost culture is just calling how is your baby? My 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: baby is strong. I read that part in Avatar The 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: Way of Water, where Kate Winslet talks to the whale. 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: There's a subtitled portion still in Papyrus amazing. The whale 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: asks Kate the words are how is your baby? I 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: was picturing an emphasis on the word how in that 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: way where you know, girl is your baby? How is 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: your baby? Like that my baby is strong? And then 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: I think my baby is strong and more straightforward. It's 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: more like my baby is strong. It's getting really And 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: then they swim together in the circle. I really felt 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: a sister dynamic. You are Kate and I'm the whale. 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: You think so, No, I don't like that because spoiler alert, 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: they come get your yellow juice. I did not like girl, 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: my little brain juice they got. They came and got 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: your brain juice. They drilled a hole on the roof 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: of my mouth and got my brain juice. Do we 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: talk about this? So the new un obtainium is that juice. 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: The new girl on the black is what are the 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: whales called? I'm not sure. It sounds like, well, the 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: whales are called tung CON's and you tilcoon tilcun tu 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: l q u n and then you gotta go get 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: their whale juice because I think it's anti aging. I 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: think it's easy, reezy, beautiful cover girl. Wow, it's retinal. 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Retinal is a yellow juice in a way. God, dare 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: we ask a question about where retin all comes from? 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: Are we going to be horrified and just dismayed by 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: the answer. It's fine. It's a vitamin A derivative. You 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: don't have to get it from anywhere. You can just 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: make it in the lab. It's totally fine. There's nothing 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: wrong with and all. There's everything wrong with the What 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: with the way that these humans miss thing got her 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: arm cut offs? I would say that was a highlight 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: of the movie for me, and I will say, so, wait, 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: let's just get into it. We're talking about Avatar. The 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Way of Water, um, a film that really took box offices, 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, by absolute storm. It was not the only 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: movie I've seen recently. I want to get into that 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: with you. But oh my god, I'm so jealous the 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: way the types of turn. But let's just first talk 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: about Avatar the Way of Water because this is let's 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: just say, the first episode of Congrats grab we all 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: made it. This is our as promised, our Grand culture 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: catch up, our Grand culture, the grand Grand Culture catch up. 47 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: And um, I think the episode title is Grand Culture 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: catch Up. What is the thing? The two dots above 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: each other? How is your baby? Yes? I love that. 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: There's much discussed. We have so much. We have a 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: huge announcement about the podcast theme this year as well. Yes, 52 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: lots too, lots to get into. But first, um, you 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: know this movie took the box office by stormbow and 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: it was Avatar to the Way of Water. Wow. And 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: your review was negative. My review was negative. And I 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: made the mistake of writing a negative review on Letterboxed. 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: Oh no, And I didn't realize there are some real 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: Cameron head. Yeah, a lot of environmentalists out there, that's 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: what they're That's what the James Cameron fan community calls 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: themself environmentalists. But James Cameron is in a way the 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift of Letterbox Do you know what I'm saying? 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: Like you best not. And by the way, once miss 63 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Taylor comes out with her own feature film, as it's 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: been announced to the trades. Yes, everybody, get off letter box. 65 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: There's no point in staying on the app. It will 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: be overrun, and there's no point in leaving an honest 67 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: review about any work made by anyone because the horse 68 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: will have been opened. James Cameron is the Taylor Swift 69 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: and the Nick Minaj and like, you know, you know 70 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like he is inviting a troublesome discourse 71 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: into that space. All I said was, you know, the 72 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: movie was giving me a Command and Conqueror cut scene, 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: which is this like old video game from where there 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: was like variable frame rate. It was like, oh, the 75 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: actors are in a different frame rate than the background, 76 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: which is literally what this movie is innovating on. Right, 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: like all these all these movie techie motion capture moment, well, 78 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: they're losing their minds over variable frame rate, which personally 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: made me a little nauseous, which I'm sure I did 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: not see it the right kind of theater with not 81 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: the right kind of Dolby set up. It was not 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: a good experience for me, got it visually, and also 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess storytelling wise, you were not like necessarily transported. 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: But you know what, this movie has to make two 85 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: billion dollars to break even what it's going to do, 86 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: an which is going to do great. But for that reason, 87 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the story has to be the broadest appealing thing ever made. Yes, 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: and so I forgive it. I forgive it on a 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: storytelling level. I'm just doing it. On a visual technical level. 90 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: It's stunning, a gorgeous movie. I was transported, but I 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: was also a little nauseated, and I wish it was 92 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: more like right of passive. What was the flight of 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: you wish you could write on the back of something 94 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: while you watch it was what you're saying. Yeah, that's 95 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: what I was thinking. When Ms Marines was writing the 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: band sheet, I was like, I get me back on 97 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: that thing. I want to go back. I'm gonna feel 98 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: it's breathing. It's the chest rising and falling on me 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: below my thighs. I'm going next week Disney World. Oh 100 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: my god, I'm so jelly. You you you need you 101 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: can't do this to me? Well, I mean I so basically, 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: it's me and my sister's last trip together before she 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: becomes Chelsea Fraser. But this is our last time we 104 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: can like spend brother sister time together. Let's see Fraser. 105 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: I know, isn't that wild? Chelsea is going to be 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: my sister's name. Oh actually, I haven't really gotten into 107 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: it with her about whether she's like changing it, changing it, 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: but like in all intents and purposes other way iconic. 109 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: So we are going and I will be doing the 110 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: Flight of Passage. And so because I've seen Avatar to 111 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: the Way of Water so close together with Flight of Passage, 112 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I'll be more able to accurately compare them. But for me, 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: I would say my review of Avatar The Way of 114 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Water was I found um, I found it to be 115 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: not really nauseating for me, but I did see it 116 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: in Imax three D as as was really strongly advertised. 117 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: I would mostly just say these are too long, These 118 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: are too long. I actually took an intermission for myself, 119 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: and I did take like actually at ten to twelve 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: minute break in the middle. And then I found out 121 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: why I missed some crucial stuff go on in the 122 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: middle with a flashback to Sigourney. I guess young Kierie, 123 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: who's also played by Sigourney. This was part of the 124 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: movie I did not understand. I didn't really understand why 125 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 1: we needed Sigourney. We were to play a team because 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: because for me personally, when I was watching ms Kirie, 127 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, who was a teen nav or hybrid nav 128 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: rather or whatever the fuck? It was interesting to me 129 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: and sort of took me out of it a little 130 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: bit that she had a Yale educated actress's voice, but 131 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: that to me was something I could get over. But 132 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I did find out that I took a break in 133 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: the middle and Sigourney sort of came back like as herself, 134 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: and I guess there was like a dream sequence um 135 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: with Sigourney really sister life. I think I missed this 136 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, or we could both have been there 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: and fully watching the movie and just not remember it 138 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: because it is one of those things. But and where 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: it's actually it's jaw dropping. I could not tell you 140 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: what this movie was, no me neither. I understand. The 141 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: humans came back, Mama who was in the first movie, 142 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: who was evil Colonel Fritz or whatever, A girl I 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: don't know his name, but old Man came back as 144 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: a nov which is never good. We learned sacrifice as 145 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: a family. We had a soft launcher of my of 146 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: my new boyfriend whose code name is Lenny, on the podcast. 147 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: Um loved it, was enthralled, Lenny loved, we got him 148 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: a little stoned. We saw it up in San Francisco. 149 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: That's endearing. So many people around us were enjoying it, 150 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Lenny included, And I would say I had a fine time. Um, 151 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: but I do believe these movies are too long, and 152 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: for it to take up that much space of life 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: and for me to not really be able to say 154 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: what the movie was about about is jarring to me, 155 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: but not unlike the first one. And is that by design? 156 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: Is it supposed to be an m kneesiac sort of 157 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: viewing experience? There is something kind of amazing about that, 158 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: where if James Cameron expects us to go into these 159 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: movies having remembered nothing from the prior installments, I think 160 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: that's actually incredible. I love that that might be the case. 161 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Did you re educate yourself off by seeing the first 162 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: time again? They re released it in theaters and actually 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: Sudy and I went we went to see the first 164 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: Avatar when it was rereleased because we were like, Okay, 165 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: we'll definitely see the second one. Let's see what the 166 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: hell is going on here? And then what's funny is 167 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: we're going to see the movie. And I guess Lenny 168 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: hadn't even seen the first one. So he turns to 169 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: me and goes, could you tell me what happened in 170 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: the first movie? Where I was like I literally was like, 171 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: of course, so and then I started talking and I 172 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: was like, oh wait. I was like, okay. So they 173 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: go to a planet and there's this thing there, there's 174 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: this thing there. But you know what, I am obsessed 175 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: with a wa as a concept. A WA. I love 176 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: that they're connected to their land and their people. That 177 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: was beautiful. See this is what Isa see. This is 178 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: This is how you know that the film is a failure. 179 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: You cannot be leaving Avatar too and saying what is 180 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: a wa? This is like that's like leaving Earth and 181 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: be like what was God again? Actually, this is my 182 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: note for Avatar. In the world building of this. You 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: need to do like Tolkien style, like the made up words. 184 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: You remember, you know when I say doth racky, yeah, 185 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I know I know those girls, or when I say 186 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: or chai, when I say you know not school, you 187 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: know who those girls are. Not to give miss Joanna 188 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: too much credit, but even when I say mud blood 189 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: or even when I say, you know, by the use 190 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: of a slur, first slur of when you said mud blood. 191 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: I heard that you said that with a hard D 192 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I know. But these are 193 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: words that Hugh just closely enough to like, let's just 194 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: say English or a romance language that you go, okay, 195 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: I can linguistically link that to like this abstract, made 196 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: up concept in this other world. There is no foothold 197 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: for me sonically for any of these terms that James 198 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: Cameron has made up, except for un obtainingum, isn't that terrible? 199 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: And navi nav that's a nav un obtainum. Those are 200 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: the only words I know, and James Cameron has to 201 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: maybe try just having those two words. That the challenge 202 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: for the next movie should be no new terms, no 203 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: new terms. I would not hold your breath, So I know, 204 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: I'm not of course, I'm not expecting that, but I'm 205 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: saying it would be so much more helpful to me 206 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: as a viewer. And that's what's important. You know, this 207 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: movie had many subtitles because much of the dialogue happened underwater. 208 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Did you feel that when you were watching the film 209 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: you could pinpoint the time where it was required for 210 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: Kate Winslet to have held her breath underwater for seven 211 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: minutes and fifteen seconds, or maybe did she did? She 212 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: never actually need to learn how to do that. Literally, 213 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: I think she did have. I think all of the 214 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: actors had to learn how to do that, is what 215 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: we're hearing. Right. There was not a continuous tape ache 216 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: that was seven minutes long in which Kate was underwater, 217 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: but literally she was underwater having dialogue, literally acting during 218 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: how is your baby? You know what? You're actually right, 219 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: it actually was important that she learned how to hold 220 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: her breath underwater for seven minutes and fifteen seconds because 221 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: it was the most important scene in the film where 222 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: she asked the whale how or the whale asked her 223 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: how her baby was and she was or was it 224 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: the whale that said my baby is strong? No, you 225 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: know what? That's what it was. So Kate Winslet whale, no, mama, mama, 226 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: whose name is right? Now? Roll the tape Ronald McDonald, 227 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: Ronald McDonell, the house down. Kate says to the whale, 228 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: how is your baby? Because remember the whale has had 229 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: a new baby, and the whale said my baby is strong, 230 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: which makes it even more heartbreaking when spoiler alert, the 231 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: whale and her baby are slaughtered by the humans. The 232 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: humans suck. Oh my god. But don't you also feel real, real, Cristy. 233 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Don't you feel like maybe we we've had it with 234 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: the humans, like we get that the humans are bad? 235 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Like someone someone I think it was actually ContraPoints said like, so, 236 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: just thinking about the movie again, who was evil? Was 237 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: it the men with guns who came in and snarling 238 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: and said they were going to like rape for the 239 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: earth and like we're unapologetic? Were they antagonists? Just for me? 240 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: I was just like, it is a little and it 241 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: is speaking to what you're saying about. It needs to 242 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: be so fucking broad and like paint and big broad 243 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: brush books like for Who's evil, Who's good? Etcetera, which 244 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: I actually am okay with in a movie, especially in 245 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: a movie that's for everyone, like essentially this is four kids, 246 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: um and there for everyone. But it was I was 247 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: wondering if it would have been more interesting if there 248 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: was intra planet conflict and instead of like the humans 249 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: are back, Like I really don't need to see this 250 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: evil I who turned into a navy be the villain 251 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: for like all five of these movies, Like I don't 252 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: care at all, Like I'd rather I'd rather move on 253 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: to like you know, maybe it's like something that happens 254 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: on the planet itself and there's like navy warring between 255 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: the tribes or whatever, like I don't I don't know 256 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: if I need humans returning every movie. Who knows. I mean, 257 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe MS Miss Marine, Miss Thing Marine is gonna come 258 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: back and really rally than the Pandora natives. And then 259 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: the lines are so blurred, like where does he end 260 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: as a human? Where does he begin as a navy? 261 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Do you think that the 262 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: third movie will take place in the sky or do 263 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: you think we'll go to a different part of the world. 264 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: Do you think it will be Avatar three? Song of 265 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: the Skies, The Song of the Sands, Song of the Sands, Oh, 266 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: avatar um, Days of the Desert, Days, Oh my god? 267 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: You know they announced what the what? The next one 268 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: is called The Seed Bearer, which is just like Fags one. 269 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be like I want to bear your seed, 270 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: you know what? Okay, can we move on? Because I 271 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: assume I assume you were alluding earlier to maybe having 272 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: seen Megan. This is how you know that energetically and 273 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: cosmically things are shifting in the world. Not only did 274 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: I see Megan this weekend, I also finally caught Nope. 275 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: I've had to quote unquote horror movies in the past 276 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: couple of days. Now, let me just say I watched Nope. Lenny, 277 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: and I watched Nope, and you had seen Nope months ago. 278 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: I had seen Nope when it came out by myself 279 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: in Charlotte. Yes. The reason we saw Nope is because 280 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: next week on the podcast announce it bo Our first 281 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: guest in Less Culturistic is the legendary Kiki Palmer. Were 282 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: so excited. It's gonna be so fun. I guarantee a 283 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: good time. She's gonna be She's She's just a perfect person. 284 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I I would die for that woman, I really would. 285 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: I've said it before, I'll say it again. We were 286 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: in Miami and we were watching um just clips of 287 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: her on Legendary, and she was so good on it, 288 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: and I feel like all the things she does get lost, 289 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: but this is someone and I can't wait to talk 290 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: to her about this because this is actually something I'm 291 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: really interested in, Like she is, I guess a figure 292 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: in our culture. That it's not even that she's saying 293 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: yes everything, is that she is not afraid to show 294 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: all parts of herself as a performer. You will see 295 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: her be hosting, performing, producing, I'm sure like doing all 296 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: these things, judging, you know, like she is just so 297 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: confident in herself as an as an entertainer. And I 298 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: can tell that for her, it's about entertainment first, and 299 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: she wants to do what she's going to enjoy, and 300 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: she does enjoy all these things. So she enjoys so 301 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: much about like, you know, like, no, I really want 302 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: to be taken seriously as this this like she's not 303 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: negotiating that she's doing what she knows she can be 304 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: good at and have fun with. And I really like 305 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: that about her. Is that not so inspiring? Because all 306 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: what I'm catching myself doing right now, especially as being like, uh, 307 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: I should like pull back a little bit or you know, 308 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: make myself a little less seen or whatever. And but 309 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: then you look at her and you're like, she's never 310 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: been hampered by that, and she's still Oh my god, 311 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I just I'm obsessed with her and assignment viewing for 312 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: all readers, publicists and you my sister music video for 313 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: her amazing song hands Free. She is doing Corio down, 314 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: she is giving body, she is serving she she's looking 315 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: at the camera and piercing through the lens to you. 316 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: You will love it. Look, I've known she was a 317 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: star since Aequila and the b years ago and Jackson VP, 318 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: True Jackson VP, and never forget her. In Oh My God, 319 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: she sang Freddie and my Love she looked dead into 320 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: the camera and gave that number, and I was like, 321 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that girl is here to stay. Also, 322 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: never forget Hustlers. She's done so many things and we're 323 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: so excited to talk to her. And I'll reserve my 324 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: thoughts on Nope, which I loved, by the way, um 325 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: until we talked to her. But anyway, the other it 326 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: girl of the moment is Megan and I y'all know 327 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: I do not do horror movies, but I said, I 328 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: can't miss the moment, a cultural phenomenon in our midst, 329 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: and so I saw Megan, tell me what you think 330 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: without spoiling, because my tragedy is that I'm in London 331 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: currently and it doesn't come out here until the fourteen. Okay, 332 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: well take the to the Fundry on the fourteen, and 333 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: the Fundry being any theater showing Megan because Megan is 334 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's not just like Megan is not only 335 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: about to take over, Megan is a franchise. Why you 336 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: see Megan two, Meghan's you're gonna see Megan versus Isabel, 337 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: Annabelle or whatever you're You're are gonna see Megan going forward. 338 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: And I will also say, as a result of watching Megan, 339 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: I began to rewatch of Girls last night. Here's what 340 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: I have to say. I left the movie and I 341 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: turned to I Think Lewis and I was like, is 342 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: she good? I think she's incredible? And then I rewatched 343 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: the first because we loved her and get out. But 344 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: there's this narrative about her like she's just kind of like, 345 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: I did you read the Vulture piece that Rachel Handler 346 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: wrote about her. I didn't read it, but um Gogger 347 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: did this like roundup of all the profiles that have 348 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: been coming out about her lately, and it's like, yeah, okay, 349 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: we get it. She's self aware, but she actually has 350 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: navigated the whole Neppo baby thing maybe the best out 351 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: of anybody in recent memory, where she's like yeah, like 352 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: I definitely got girls because of my connections. But that's 353 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the reality, and I'm still gonna work. Like great, that's 354 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: literally all we need to hear. Yeah, I would agree 355 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: with you entirely. The Neppo baby thing. It's when someone 356 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: calls you a Neppo baby and you're out there and 357 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: it's just is true. I guess that's like, don't be 358 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: defense of about it. It's just you are. I mean, 359 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: we know several Neppo babies, and you know what ties 360 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: them all together? I would say, they're all really fucking talented, 361 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: and it's not like they didn't have a leg up. 362 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: But what I appreciated about her response to it was like, yes, 363 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: I I benefit from neptism, you know what I mean, 364 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: Just don't be uncool about it. Don't be defensive about it. 365 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: Haley Peeper were like a T shirt that said Neppa 366 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: baby on it the other day, and that that I 367 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: feel like, is you know, she's not one of the 368 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: ones I'm talking about, right, but she's no. No, I'm 369 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: bringing her up as a sort of weird counter lateral 370 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: example where it's like she's not being defensive about it, 371 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: but she's also being smug about it in a way 372 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: that I'm like, that's not it. The thing about Allison 373 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: is like I rewatched the pilot of Girls. She's so 374 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: good in it. Her chemistry with Lena is really good. 375 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: And then just like I was reading this piece that 376 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: Rachel did an amazing job on um and she was 377 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: talking about how you know, I think because Allison is 378 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: like quote unquote presenting as like a basic white girl, 379 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And she plays that role 380 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: of Martie, who is the big boss, basic dumb white 381 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: girl especi the millennial culture, like really was captured in 382 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: that moment like she was that girl and we all 383 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: know that girl, but she this weird thing attached to her, 384 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: like she was that person. And she was saying in 385 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: the interview like, can you imagine playing that person for 386 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: that long and not being in on the joke? Like what, 387 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: that's fascinating if people think that's who I am? And 388 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: I would disagree that. I genuinely think you can be 389 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: very close to the person that you play for that long. 390 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: Maybe that's not the case with her, but in this movie, 391 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: and I like the way that she's attaching herself to 392 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: these horror projects because to me, it's so she has 393 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: a sense of humor, like the way that this movie 394 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: starts is immediately telling the audience like, hey, this is 395 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: a big fucking camp joke, you know, which which I 396 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: love and we need more of that. Well, Matt, would 397 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: you agree that horror is sort of the last genres 398 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: space where you can't have like interesting non pre existing 399 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: I p store worry like it's it really is. I 400 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: think like unfortunately the last sort of like zoned out 401 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: area and in Hollywood where like it can be on 402 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: news stories all right. I think of the past year 403 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: like between Smile and Barbarian and like like these Nope, 404 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: like these are all these are all great films period. Yeah. 405 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: And I would even say, like, you know, I did 406 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: not see it, but obviously people with malignant people feel 407 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: a franchise was born there, um, you know. And and 408 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: I would say it is really interesting because there is 409 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: not only just in you know, what audiences get from 410 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: it in terms of going to the theater and having 411 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: like a knee jerk response, like like an actual like 412 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: out loud emotional response like I guess you could call 413 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: you could say screaming or gasping or being scared is 414 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: the same as like laughlock having that involuntary like response 415 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: that you get because because you really we've seen comedies 416 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: have a very hard time doing that theatrically. But I 417 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: think that because like you can sort of get that 418 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: same physical, like conditioned response from a horror movie as 419 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: you can get from a comedy, you see those movies 420 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: be really successful. And also the crossover with comedy a lot. 421 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Megan is a comedy film, 422 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: Like I mean, this is Yes, there are jump scares, 423 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: and yes there are like there are kills in the movie, 424 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: but Megan is a comedic She is a comedic icon, 425 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: and like just people negotiating her and talking to her 426 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: and around her, Like I was impressed the entire time. 427 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: There are there is a scene where she sings Titanium 428 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: by the Little Girl, which is a moment in comedy history. 429 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it is so beyond We were screaming in 430 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: the theater, not just from being scared, but from also 431 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: being very tickled. And I would say, you know, comedically 432 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: is off to a great start if Megan is the 433 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: first comedy release of the year, which is and so 434 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: in that way, I can appreciate it. I'm so excited 435 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: and Nope, was way funnier than people gave it credit for. 436 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: So funny ways, Oh my god, did you I heard 437 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: a story that Kiki gave. This isn't not a spoiler, 438 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: but Kiki gave a different version of that opening monologue, 439 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: the voice over against like the horse saying, like a 440 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: different version every single take. And I'm like, this motherfucker 441 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: is so she has it. She has the fact, she 442 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: is oozing it like it is. I mean, I I 443 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: turned to Lenny last night when we were watching it. 444 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: I turned to him and he was just like, She's 445 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: a fucking superstar. I was like, down, down, it's so 446 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: it's once in a generation, you know what I mean. 447 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: All I've wanted is like a leading lady who also 448 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: has like a really perfect side of her that is 449 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: like Jack Harry, Like there is like very Jack, that 450 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: is like the beautiful thing that Kiki has. You know 451 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: what it is too, It's like the fun is being followed, 452 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: the fun is being followed. Oh my god. She she's 453 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: hands down my favorite host and my time there she is. 454 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: Oh god, we we had so much fun. She loves 455 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: to laugh. We love that. And then you get that sense, 456 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And also you know, like 457 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: Joel had such a great time working with on Quimby, 458 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: but anyways, so much to talk to her about. But 459 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: I had to I had to just um say that, Yeah, 460 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: I agree with you. It feels like the horror space 461 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: there is something about that shared experience of the theater 462 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: that is not replicable at home, whereas with comedies like 463 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: you kind of can replicate that experience at home, you 464 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: know what. Yes, And well with with horror, it's like 465 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: people can already anticipate the turns if it's an existing 466 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: I P. Does that make sense? Like it benefits from 467 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: being surprising and so therefore it's like it makes more 468 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: sense to like have these stories be things that people 469 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: haven't seen before. I don't know about. Yes, And also 470 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: I think the things specifically with Megan is she is 471 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: a direct response to like what it seems like the 472 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: zeitgeist craves right now, which is she is a meme. 473 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, She is a walking meme. 474 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: It is like it is it is so stupid when 475 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: you see her every single time you you literally could 476 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: laugh every single time she appears on screen, and the 477 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: way they her and sometimes the way that like she 478 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: just like shifts her eyes in a certain way, like 479 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: it is a fully realized it's a really well done movie, 480 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: and who goes to everyone that was involved. I mean, 481 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: because it wasn't too long. It was really fun, it 482 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: was scary, It was fucking laugh out loud funny. If 483 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: I have one note for it, and I won't get 484 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: too into it because you haven't seen it yet, but 485 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: they sort of set up a final set piece that 486 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: we don't see and I'll ruin it. But like spoiler alert, 487 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: not really that, Like this isn't about any character's fate. Um. 488 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: I would say they're supposed to be like a big 489 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 1: expo at the end where a lot of people come 490 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: see a demon's ration of Megan, and we don't see that, 491 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: and I was I just really wish we had seen that, 492 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: because like her wreaking havoc on a ton of people 493 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: would have been really fun. But instead we get a 494 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: very classic like final show down between the girls, which 495 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Alison definitely carried. I mean, look, I loved her and 496 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: get Out. I didn't see that movie The Perfection, but 497 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: I heard it was good. If she's carving herself out 498 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: in this horror niche I say, you go girl, Yeah, 499 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: I love It, love It, Love Her, and I Love 500 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: Marny Canican Central Parks one of the best episodes of 501 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: television period period. Speaking of monsters, you get to experience 502 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: the premier of Drag Race, I was speaking of monsters. Um, 503 00:27:52,480 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: those drag queens are monsters. You can't say that. I did. 504 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: I did, you know, I I enjoyed it. It is 505 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: overwhelming the amount, just on a volume level, the amount 506 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: of girls. But it is because I guess v Comma 507 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: is ordering a really really exorbitant amount of episodes, so 508 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: therefore you have sixteen queens. Um, I think, yeah, I 509 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: can't tell. I was thinking about whether or not it 510 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: is intentional. On the show's part two immediately redeemed sugar 511 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: and Spice, so that by the end of the episode, 512 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: like everyone's on the same page. For the most part, 513 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh no, actually they're fine. You know. I 514 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: think it is a way for them to justify them 515 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: being there, for them to immediately have a narrative actually 516 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: they're not that bad. I mean literally, what the show 517 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: is telling the audience is actually they're not that bad. 518 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Give like like with them, and I'm watching it being like, 519 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, we haven't actually seen them tested for like, 520 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: we've seen them do a number that they've rehearsed a 521 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: long time, and I would I would give that they 522 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: are better than I would imagine that they would be 523 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: based on never performing, which is the narrative we're also 524 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: being told, which maybe maybe not. Um. Their runways looked great. 525 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, for for queens that barely had their wigs 526 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: on before the runway started, they certainly looked good. But 527 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: I just don't know how much of I don't know 528 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: how much of it I trust as fact because I 529 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: know it's a produced reality show. But like sure, like 530 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the show definitely succeeded in you know, telegraphing 531 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: to the audience capital t capital a that they deserve 532 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: to be there, um and we'll see how far it goes. 533 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: We'll see how far it goes. Um. Interesting way to 534 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: split the premier. I kind of liked that you sort 535 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: of had the second half time in halfway through. I 536 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: thought that was good. I was really surprised, surprised raw 537 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: deal that the second group of queens did not get 538 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: to be Ariana in the workroom. But that's true, and 539 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: I her was that Ariannest idea. Did you did you 540 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: ask her. I did not ask her. No, it wasn't. 541 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: I did not ask, So it might have been. It 542 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: might not have been. Maybe they just had their like 543 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: livasouses around, like Ariana, do you want to do this 544 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: the silly thing? But Ariana is excited. Sasha Coolby for 545 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: me is the number one. I mean, Sasha Coolby is. 546 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: She came out and I was like, well, that's the way, right, 547 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: if I have anything to say about it. I mean, 548 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: that's just like the type of queen I want to 549 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: see on the show, but also a Nitra. I mean, 550 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I was really surprised. I think that was a well 551 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: deserved win. Love that loved the kicking the karate walked 552 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: that fucking duck. I mean, that was to me, it 553 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: was funny. It was surprising. I was screaming, it was stunts. 554 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: I loved it, and she looked good. It was given 555 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: like detox. If she could flip upside down detox, if 556 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: she could flip upside down, if she could fully roundhouse 557 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: kick a piece of wood. It was so crazy. I 558 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: was like, it was so completely insane, Oh my god. 559 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: And you know what, I thought, it was a great. 560 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: I watched that lip sn twice because I think Amethyst 561 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: has something you know what. Yes, when that started, I thought, oh, 562 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: Irene Dubois gonna like wipe the floor with Amethist, because 563 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: I feel like we had seen what we needed to 564 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: see with Amethists. But then I'm watching it and I 565 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, Amethist wants it more and 566 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like maybe she got nervous or something, or 567 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: it was just a flop. But for Irene Dubois to 568 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: come out with that talent of I'm gonna pour a 569 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: glass of water, it just felt like Rue, from what 570 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: I can Gauge might feel a little insulted by that, like, oh, really, 571 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: you thought that this flop joke you were going to 572 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: make about not trying, like the anti comedy of it all, 573 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Like you were going to come in here with that 574 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: and I was going to be impressed with it, and 575 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: the audience is going to be impressed with it. I 576 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: think even if Irene had turned the lip sync harder, 577 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: like Ru watched that talent and was like done with it, 578 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: like don't waste my time. That feels like the number 579 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: one thing with Rue, He's like I understand, like not 580 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: everyone shares a sense of humor and a sensibility. But 581 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: you can't come in here with that fucking bit, which 582 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: anti comedy. Anti comedy is not going to work on 583 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: Drag Race, No, because there were multiple references to Willows 584 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: talent last season, and I think some of these girls 585 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: are confusing something silly to be avant garde, Like they 586 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: think like Willow doing like the spaghetti into the toaster 587 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: into the bathtub is like the same thing as like Sasha, 588 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: Sasha doing the rose petals. They think that's the bar, 589 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: but it's like, no, like that's Willows bar, that's not 590 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: your bar. And I think maybe Irene was trying to 591 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: like do her version of that. Maybe that's my gas. 592 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: You get the sense that, like the way she puts 593 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: her looks together, she certainly cares, you know what, she's 594 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: a really put together like, and she came into the 595 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: workroom first. I mean, I think that they certainly were 596 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: assuming more from that queen, But for that to be 597 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: what she did, it's like I I kept waiting for 598 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: like something else to happen, like oh, she'll do this 599 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: water bit and then it will transition, because it can't 600 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: just be this, And when it was just this, it 601 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: was just like oh, communicately, you just don't have taste. Well, sure, 602 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I was telling Dole, it's funny 603 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: to me that the themes this season are TikTok and Connecticut. 604 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Like this is very really weird, very weird, but very interesting. 605 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean the amount of Connecticut queens who 606 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: are like, what exactly is going on? Like not dragging. 607 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like all the Connecticut queens were like fine, 608 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like I wouldn't watch 609 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: a single one of them, And I was like, oh, yeah, 610 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: well there's something happening in Connecticut all the queens. I 611 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, it feels like this is like 612 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: the season fifteen casting, you know what I mean, Like 613 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: we're we're officially like you know, yeah, looking for him. 614 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: No matter how this season turns out, like, no matter 615 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: what our assessment of the season is, once it's done, 616 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: I think this will have a very similar legacy to 617 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: season seven, where seven was the first season that acknowledged 618 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: Instagram queens. I think this is the first season that's 619 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: actually like fully embracing the idea that like, no like 620 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: drag queens are on TikTok now like yeah and I 621 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: do appreciate there being one little nearer moment in the workroom, 622 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: um where the girls were like yeah, I mean like 623 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: we can't get into clubs, so like the way we 624 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: learned draguas through social media, Like that makes total sense, 625 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: totally makes sense. It does. And also I think that 626 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: like the old narrative of like a queen maybe having 627 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: to look over their shoulder and being like I don't 628 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: respect her about a younger queen who like starts online 629 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: like in an era of the pandemic, when literally those 630 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: spaces were not there for young queens to develop. They 631 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: had social media and they had the show to influence them. Like, 632 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: you can't really be mad about someone never having performed 633 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: when they were eighteen or seventeen when the pandemics started, 634 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe only found themselves in their their identity around that 635 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 1: time or just before that time or even after that time, 636 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: and then discovered that they have a talent with makeup 637 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: or performance online and then they this is the way 638 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: they find themselves on the show. I mean, like you 639 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: can't really be superior in that sense anymore. That being said, 640 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: am I always going to gravitate more towards a queen 641 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: that is clearly cultivated, a live talent and a persona 642 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: that's like historically like a drag queen, someone that could 643 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: you could watch in the club, like you know, carry 644 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: a whole night. Yes, that is going to be more 645 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: what I want to see. But you can't look down 646 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: your nose at the queens no more exactly. And I 647 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: think this is good. We should all embrace that change. Gosh, 648 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: Jack's was amazing. I jumping up with her hair is incredible. 649 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: That that was incredible. Jack's to me, is an example 650 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: of incredible talent. The aesthetic is bad, the aesthetic is 651 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: capital be bad. It was. It was a week run round. 652 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was a week overall you 653 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: felt overall overall because the was so open ended that 654 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: it's like you can literally do anything you are, like, 655 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: show us the essence of you, and nothing really sticks out. 656 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, who is ironically Irene's look was pretty memorable, 657 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: it was, and and the twins. I like the twins. 658 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: The twins looked good. I mean, they definitely looked good. 659 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: Michelle dragging them for the long island of it all 660 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: was so funny to me, and she was like, yeah, 661 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: I go to the Roosevelt Field Mall. I mean like 662 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: she literally was like she googled her Long Island specifics 663 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: and was dead on with every single one of them. 664 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: We were screaming, are they from Long Island? Are the twins? 665 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: And then I think they moved to l A. Yeah, 666 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: just like me, just like you. When they said they 667 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: were originally from Long Island, I lowered my head in prayer. 668 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, the Long Island jokes that 669 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: we're going to hear. And then I found out though 670 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: they went to West Babylon High School, Oh my god, 671 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: which is where I would have gone right next to you, 672 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: had my parents not moved literally like I was in 673 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: the West Babylon school district. Yeah, that's like an interesting 674 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: little connection. You think they were like, oh my god, 675 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers from Icelip went to n y U and 676 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: now he's on Showtime and now he's on Showtime. Um. 677 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: But I would say is that their parents definitely live 678 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: like right near my parents, and my parents live in 679 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: West Babylon currently, So that was like I was like, oh, 680 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: are they from West Babylon And then it all kind 681 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: of made sense. I was like. And then, to be 682 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: honest with you, I was like well, that's kind of 683 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: nice that people can be that gay now totally and 684 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: that I mean like those twinks are gay, but those 685 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: twinks grew up in like, you know, a working class 686 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: part of Long Island. Oh absolutely, and like no, I 687 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: mean for sure. And that's the thing is, like, that's 688 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: one cool thing about like having queens from different parts 689 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: of the country that are not just like yeah, I've 690 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: been in l A for years or I've been that 691 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: that like you know, um, I think Ms Malaysia, Baby 692 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: Doll Foxes from Houston. There was the first queen that's 693 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: ever from Miami. Oh yeah, yeah, And I will say 694 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: we were in Miami for New Year's and those queens 695 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: at Drag Brunch were crushing. Those were some stellar queens. Yeah, 696 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: some pretty some pretty great us. And so when when 697 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: they were like I'm the first Miami queen and the 698 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: one queen was like, oh, Miami has some of the 699 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: best drag It's crazy that there's not been a drag 700 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: queen from Miami. I was thinking to myself, like, yeah, 701 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: that is kind of funny. It is kind of funny. 702 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you about that sort of geographical 703 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: variants where like Willow winning was kind of a huge deal. 704 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Willow and Ivy both being from Denver, not 705 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: sincelecting the Flowers. It was like a pretty like big 706 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: gap there for a while for Denver drag and I 707 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: feel like, it's like fun, fun, fun scene for sure. 708 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: I took you. I took that to Charlie's by the way. 709 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 1: We had so much fun to Charlie. It was great. 710 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: It was a fun time. You really stole the show. 711 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know such thing bone came out at my 712 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: Denver show install That was matt show through and through. 713 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was. I took so many pictures 714 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: from back stage. It was so I'll say it again, 715 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: I mean just so inspiring, so beautiful. Man, I'm so 716 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: so proud of you, truly. Oh well, quickly wanted to 717 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: talk about the Miley Dolly New Year Special, which we 718 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: were at. Yes, I can't wait to talk about it. 719 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: That was so much fun and so many happenings and 720 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: spotting a lot of things. A lot of things happened. 721 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: So let's I haven't even really sorted through my experienced 722 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: my memories with it. So we get there. Let's do it. 723 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: We get there and we check in and then on 724 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: the paper. I see in big letters Paris Hulton. I go, oh, 725 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: Paris is here. I wonder what she could be doing. 726 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: And I had heard that she'd re released Stars Are Blind. 727 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, she maybe gonna saying Stars are Blind. 728 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: That would be fun, and I was I did not 729 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: I did not connect the dots to be like, oh, 730 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: she's gonna do it with either Miley or Dolly. And 731 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: we get there literally right on time. We get there 732 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: and like we do a quick little step and repeat 733 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: moment um, they do a quick little bumper with the 734 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: whole group. It was me, Hugh Patrick, Reagan, Jordan Ardino, 735 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: who else? Nico was there, and then we basically get 736 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: to this area, order some drinks, and then the show 737 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: starts and then literally I tap you on the shoulder, 738 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: I go, A Scala is behind us. Literally, a Scala 739 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: was there. I turned around and lo and behold it 740 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: was a Scala. And we find out that a Scala's husband, 741 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: Dre is Latto's manager or like manager or something like, 742 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: works on Latto's team, and Lato had just performed, which 743 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: was also amazing. She was and Escala is going off 744 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: and we go over to her immediately and we are 745 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: just like a scala. We are your big fans, etcetera. 746 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: She was so nice. We took a picture of her 747 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: where like you always turned the fashion and she goes, well, 748 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: how did I do tonight? And then when she looks 749 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: down and gives it twere, We're like, she looks absolutely stunt. 750 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: We took a little video. Send it to Candice Stillard Bassett, 751 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: shout out of my girl, um who continues to be 752 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: the star of Potomac. I'm as sesame Sesame Street is 753 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: one of the highlights of the year. Sesame Street. I 754 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: do not recognize Sesame Street characters. You need to go 755 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: learn your numbers. Go learn your letters. Go read a 756 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: book to a child. She said. She started with count 757 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: count some letters. Count some numbers. Go read a book 758 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: to a child. Go read a book to a child. 759 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: I do not recognize Sesame Street characters. And then I 760 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: we have to we have to shout out at drunk 761 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: drawn incredible illustrations of Housewives Moments did an incredible, incredible 762 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: long form caption about Deborah. It truly, I mean, wait, 763 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: I have to read it, and this is I sent 764 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: it to you and we both laughed our asses up. 765 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: I have to read, Matt, do you mind? I think 766 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: I think it does. Finding this Escala, we love you 767 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: you were a joy. It was meeting you as the highlight. 768 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: And then we also literally took a picture with Marissa Tomay. 769 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: Incredible for that to be the last photo of that year, 770 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: just like as if there needed to be one more 771 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: like closing the loop moment for Marissa Tomay to be 772 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: at that party so randomly and I's get a photo 773 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: with her and get to connect with her over the 774 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: fine island of it all. That was surreal. That was 775 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: when we knew the year could end, period and it 776 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: had to because it really was a little too on 777 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: the nose with an hour left to go in the night, 778 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: we meet Marissa Tomay and got a picture with her. Incredible, 779 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: she was so sweet. Okay, can you read this caption? Yes, 780 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: this is from at drunk drawn on Deborah. This is 781 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: now a Debora at the Dick Magnets stand account. Oh child, 782 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm buzzing. D is for Deborah. Who knew would start 783 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: off with such a bang? When I turned on the 784 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: telly last night and saw a figure as tall as 785 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: Big Bird, as fluffy as Mr sniffle Up, I guess 786 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 1: as silly as Elmo and had the eyebrows of Oscar 787 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: the Grouch. It was love. I'm in love, y'all. I 788 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: levitated that ginger and stranger things. I'm running up that 789 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: hilt to you, Deborah. You see, dear reader. Wow. Growing 790 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: up Sesame Street was my jam. Those are my creatures, 791 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: you see, you see, those are my features rule culture 792 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: number ninety. Those are my creatures. Okay, oh this is 793 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: this is amazing. Those are my creatures. Next next sentence, 794 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm an ernie moving on. Something arose in me when 795 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: I saw Deborah and my furry So Deborah, baby girl, 796 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: I see you. I believe you, I feel you, I 797 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: love you. Believe And to the Debora haters, you're just 798 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: jealous that your hair doesn't look like Beyonce's hair with 799 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: the fan, have eyebrows like Peter Gallagher and the charisma 800 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: of the fruit loops bird period dot step off. In 801 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, when Deborah walked into Karen's 802 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: Spring Flank kickoff Celebration of Life taco party event, her 803 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: sexuality filled the space. She couldn't help it. People men 804 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: can't control themselves was around the d They transform into 805 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: nineties teenage boys meeting Pamela Anderson. It's like that, y'all. 806 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: It's primal. Men get into owners when they see Debra 807 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: a k A nature's viagraph. Okay, and there's there's just 808 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: so much it's poetry, so funny. Wow, Candice, Shout out 809 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: to Candice. Shout out to Candice who gave us that. 810 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: And I would say that was a highlight of the season. 811 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: And thank god, because Housewives as a whole has been 812 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: a little fucking dreary, babe like salt Lake. I actually 813 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: stopped watching. Um, I can't stand the show. And Miami, 814 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: thank God for it, Thank God for Miami. And I 815 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: am so late to it, but I am catching up. 816 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm making up for lost time. Miami is good. Miami 817 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: is in the top spot right now. Incredible. I mean 818 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: I did see something, you know, some Bravo account, Bravo 819 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: fan account to a meme of like, what is Bravo 820 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: worthy is Miami? What's peacock worthy as salt Lake? And 821 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: it's not not, no, like you know, um no, yeah, yeah, 822 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: yeah not now. But yeah, there's also big news. I mean, 823 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,919 Speaker 1: like den Shaw, so should we get into it? Six 824 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: and a half years in the can five years supervise release. 825 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: And someone said that we actually called this. Someone said, 826 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: we said this is the amount of time she would get, 827 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: which roll the tape. But I didn't know that we 828 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: called that. But I remember, like I went online after 829 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: that was announced and people were upset that she didn't 830 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: get more time. But like six and a half years 831 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: and five years supervisor release, Like that's pretty much around 832 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: what they were saying. It's not surprising at all. Six 833 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: and a half years. Um, you know, federal judges across 834 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: the bench are relatively border lenient on white collar crime. 835 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: That's that's one thing. Secondly, she's agreeing to pay full 836 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: of restitution, that's another thing. And and then the other 837 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: thing is for these kinds of crimes, apparently commonly you 838 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: only sort of of that. So doing the math, seventy 839 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: eight months of that is um sixty six sixty six, 840 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,439 Speaker 1: So that's that is that is literally five and a half. 841 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: That takes a year off, So you know, I mean, 842 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: she's missing a lot of moments, she's missing a lot 843 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: of stuff at home. It's wild. I mean, like, I 844 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: don't know what there is to say really, Like, at 845 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: the end of the day, there is a family that's 846 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: being broken, but there are also thousands of lives that 847 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: are also broken in the wake of it. Like it's 848 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: just it's just sad. It's really rough. And I think 849 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: that they were taking into account during the sentencing that 850 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: she she claims to have like mental health concerns that 851 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: contributed to her state of mind when she committed the crimes, 852 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: which feels like a lawyer's you know, excuse that they 853 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: gave her. But also, you know, she does have the 854 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: young children, so if she wasn't sentenced to like sucking 855 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: twelve years hard time, that might be why. I don't 856 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: really know how any of it works, but yeah, she's 857 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: officially going to a prison for a long time. There 858 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: is also a thing to be said about if you 859 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: agree to counseling for a mental health issue while you're 860 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: in prison, that also helps lower then the amount of 861 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: time you serve, So that could be part of it too, 862 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,479 Speaker 1: where she you know, probably her team was like, let's 863 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: just say you were going through something, which you know, 864 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure she was, but the judge literally was no nonsense. 865 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: It's like, well, this happened before you were on the show, 866 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 1: so you can't blame the show for like amplifying these issues, 867 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: and it's hard for us to like confirm whether or 868 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: not you were going through something at the time. He 869 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: like pulled up the tech he like referenced the text 870 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: messages where she was like gleefully being like l O 871 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: L you're you know, get her to stop crying talking 872 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: about like an elderly woman calling concern. Yeah, it's evil. 873 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: I mean her her behavior was evil. And the thing 874 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: is like with like a mental health like excuse, like 875 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: for example, like a plea of insanity or whatever, not 876 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,280 Speaker 1: that that's what this was, but like it's like anyone 877 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: that does anything like morally corrupt or wrong, like anyone 878 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 1: could use that excluse, you know what I mean, Like 879 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,479 Speaker 1: if there's if you kill someone, like there's something wrong 880 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: with you, and like I guess it just depends like 881 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: whether or not, like your lawyer wants to decide you 882 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: plea insanity or not right like you're But it's it 883 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: seems to me, like how exactly do you do you 884 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: decide who gets away with that? Or like who's the 885 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: expert that comes in and decides someone actually is disturbed 886 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: enough and therefore it like changes their reasoning or motivation 887 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: to do something evil like this like it feels a 888 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,919 Speaker 1: cop out ish to me. But you know, like I said, 889 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea how any of this works. But 890 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: for her to be like, oh, my mental health, it's like, well, yeah, 891 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 1: we've all seen the show. We know that. And I 892 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: have also heard from people that have worked around her 893 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: that she is unwell, Like she is the kind of 894 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: person that's like, if you do this, I'm gonna kill myself. 895 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: If you do this, I'm gonna do it. Like she 896 00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:01,320 Speaker 1: is someone who is constantly weaponizing like her own sanity 897 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: or lack thereof, to like harm mothers, and like getting 898 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: other people's way and and getting other people's heads about 899 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: like how they're responsible for her, which is like, you know, 900 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: she clearly needs a lot of help, and so maybe 901 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: there was some assessment of that that went into the sentencing. 902 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I said, I don't know how 903 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: it works, but like, it was really interesting that she 904 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,720 Speaker 1: made a point of saying all that when she spoke 905 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: to the judge. And she also deliberately went out of 906 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 1: her way to address her youngest child and not all 907 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,360 Speaker 1: of her children, which to me was trying to signal 908 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: to the judge like, please be lenient in my sensence 909 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: dancing so I can still experience life with my youngest child, 910 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it seemed to me 911 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: like tactical, like of course, yes, I'm not going to 912 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: say no part of it was emotional or honest or true, 913 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,320 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of tactical ship going on 914 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: there till the very end to try to like get 915 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: the sentencing down, which of course that's the lawyer's job, 916 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: and I guess her job in that moment as the defendant. 917 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just very very interesting. Yeah, and 918 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: Lisa Rena is out. Lisa wren is out. I think 919 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. I really think they've lost to compelling. I 920 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: mean I wasn't the biggest Rena fan, but like that 921 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: is someone who kind of held it, held it together, 922 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: was was kind of a glue for a long time. 923 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Renna was one of the best of all times. 924 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: When she was good, she was one of the best 925 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: of all times. She gave us so many television moments. 926 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's over, you know, I think 927 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: she comes back in a few years. I think we 928 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,359 Speaker 1: see her on an Ultimate Girls trip. I don't think 929 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: Lisa Rena has done you know, I just think it 930 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: wasn't it. I don't think she's well either right now. 931 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, she went through a trauma. She's not operating 932 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: from a ground did place. It seems like maybe she 933 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: needs to just take a fucking breath. But you know, 934 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: as much as she was annoying on the show this 935 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: last season and people haven't liked her, like she fills 936 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: the role of antagonists on that show, she is the 937 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: villain of the show and they will have to fill 938 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: that spot. Um because Erica, I don't know how much 939 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,280 Speaker 1: she can do it by herself. She seems fucking tired 940 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 1: to me. Also, who knows if she even stays. I'm 941 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,320 Speaker 1: sure she will because she needs a gig. Well, the 942 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: thing the interesting not to go back to Jen, but 943 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: like the interesting thing about Jen is like the judge 944 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: was like, how are you going to make this money back? Like, 945 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: like she's giving up six and a half million, but 946 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,760 Speaker 1: she also has to part of the sentencing was another 947 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: six and a half billion had to be like paid 948 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: back in restitution, and so the judges like, how are 949 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,839 Speaker 1: you going to make that money? And she was, well, 950 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: my manager is here and we're figuring it out. And 951 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: then the judge, she goes, well, like, what are you 952 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: gonna do? Sell merch? Like I don't see how this 953 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: is going to happen for you, And so for Erica, 954 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: like think all she has is the show, but Jen 955 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: literally can't do the show unless they shoot from prison, 956 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: so which which they won't do in Texas. No way. 957 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,240 Speaker 1: I think that the way that it was weird weirdly 958 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: working was like all that merch that Jen was selling 959 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: was literally saying like free jen Shaw like it was 960 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,839 Speaker 1: it was saying, and the and the judge brought that up. Yeah, 961 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess she's gonna use that money 962 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: that's from free gen Shawn Merged to pay back the 963 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: victims of her crime she's saying she's guilty of. It's 964 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: so we're being sympathetic in our discussion of her as 965 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,240 Speaker 1: a person, But I mean, she sucks. She's she's awful, 966 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 1: and she's she's awful, and she's not essential to the 967 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: show by any means, not in the way that Miriam 968 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: Cosby is. She's bad bad television. Actively. I miss Mary 969 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,879 Speaker 1: so much. There are there there are hints she's hinting 970 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: at coming back. We missed the days we missed the 971 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: days of Mary truly just to return to the Miley 972 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,879 Speaker 1: Dolly of it all. Yes, speaking of iconography, if we're 973 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: going to speak on Mary m Cosby's iconography, can we 974 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: just say I feel that is going to be the 975 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: year of Miley. I feel like Miley is back in 976 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: a big way this year that I am excited. Like 977 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: her announcement about her album like Endless Summer, I just think, yes, 978 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: like give give us big summary l A Bops do 979 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 1: for us what Katy Perry hasn't done in such a 980 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 1: long time, you know what I mean, Like, let's give 981 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: big hooks, Let's give party in the USA fourteen times 982 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: on an album like Fun. Because I feel like my 983 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: thing with Miley is because she knows how easy it 984 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: is for her at any given time to be the 985 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: most famous person in the world. She just I mean 986 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: talk about stark Follers like she is. And by the way, 987 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: in person, the beauty and it factor is real, It 988 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: is wild. I mean, she is Miley Cyrus like she is. 989 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: She is really that girl, and she's an amazing live performer, 990 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,840 Speaker 1: live singer and host Like that was really really a 991 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: fun night and she was holding it all together. I 992 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: mean she was doing that. But with her, it's like 993 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,319 Speaker 1: I often find that her experimental eras like even if 994 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: they don't like necessarily pop off in terms of like 995 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: a big mainstream success way. It's not that she's ever 996 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: like in control of something that's gone badly. It's just 997 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,880 Speaker 1: that she's like, no, this is what I'm doing right now. 998 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: This is the way I'm gonna express myself, and don't 999 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: worry about me being huge. I will be later, you 1000 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,959 Speaker 1: know what I mean. She always knows her way back. 1001 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 1: She's on her own timeline. Yeah, she she's just on 1002 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: her own timeline. Yes, exactly what you said. I mean, 1003 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: I do maintain that plastic hearts her. Her last album 1004 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: is excellent, Oh my god, so good, so high. Who um. 1005 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: She is someone who I'm gonna say, you forget that 1006 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: she is a Nippo baby. She she's transcended the label 1007 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 1: and and and the way that like, you know, let's 1008 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 1: say Jamie Lee Curtis has not not not a great example. 1009 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 1: It's totally Apple st Oranges. It's like it's like the 1010 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 1: talent is there, and I do think that star quality 1011 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: can be inherited, like just like you can inherit anything 1012 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: from like you you see Kate Hudson and you're like, yeah, 1013 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: she inherited something from Goldie Haunt. You know what I mean? 1014 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: There is something there that's like that makes sense by 1015 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,000 Speaker 1: the way, Knives Out, Glass Onion gag very fun and 1016 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: Kate Hudson gives a Kate Hudson performance. So you're saying 1017 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm dangerous? Are you saying dangerous? So funny? Janelle great? 1018 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: Janelle was great. She was great. I mean I I like, 1019 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: not that I already didn't have respect for her as 1020 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: an actor, but I was like, oh, yeah, this is 1021 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,839 Speaker 1: like a new layer to her. It was fun, so fun. 1022 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: I am on an Agathe Christie kick, are you? And 1023 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: I recommend the same? I mean, you know, Aaron Jackson 1024 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: is like the ultimate Agatha Christie head. And it's taken 1025 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: me like a long time from you finally get like 1026 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: to like, you know, let me just pick up one 1027 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: of these books and it's so fun. It's so fun. 1028 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,879 Speaker 1: It's like it scratches the same mitch that you would 1029 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,880 Speaker 1: maybe have after watching like Knives Out or a Glass Onion, 1030 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: and you go, I just want like a fun, light, 1031 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,319 Speaker 1: breezy little mystery that like kind of has all these 1032 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: fun little interlocking pieces too. It's great, so fun. I'd 1033 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: like a romp. It's it's it's gonna give you romp 1034 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: and quick quick reads. I'm reading Murder on the Links 1035 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,279 Speaker 1: right now. It's one of her early ones. You know what. 1036 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 1: I just bought the sequel to Less. Oh my god, 1037 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: I've been I've been debating reading about I love the 1038 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 1: first book so much that I am like afraid to 1039 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: read the sequel. Lenny and I were in the bookstore. 1040 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,239 Speaker 1: I went up and I handed the book to the 1041 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: girl and she goes, oh, yeah, this is good. It's 1042 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: not as good as the first one. And I was 1043 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: just like, oh, okay, oh but it's still good. I 1044 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: think she realized, like I was purchasing. She's like, oh, 1045 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,360 Speaker 1: it's still good. Though, it's still good. You'll like it. 1046 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: You're like, it's just you know, it's you know what 1047 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: sequels as good as the first one. And I was like, 1048 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: it's okay, I'm gonna buy it anyway. And she's like, okay, 1049 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,399 Speaker 1: I can think of some sequels. The Way of Both, 1050 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,959 Speaker 1: the Way of Water and then Paras Sultan Singing Stars 1051 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,959 Speaker 1: are Blind. I mean, god, so fun. Sarah Sherman Chloe 1052 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,440 Speaker 1: Fineman nailing hosting duties when C was like singing Paris, 1053 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: and Paris is like, oh sing Paris, Oh well, we 1054 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 1: love it, we love it. Let's quickly, quickly, quickly make 1055 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: an announcement about a show that's also just been announced, 1056 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: The Real Friends of West Hollywood, The Real Friends of 1057 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: West Hollywood. This podcast, Last Cultures is now officially identifies 1058 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: first and foremost as an ourfro wee ho recap pod 1059 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,320 Speaker 1: our fro refro we ho um, the anagram of everyone's dreams. 1060 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: We are an official recap pod for the show. We 1061 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 1: will be just like watching with bated breath episode to episode, 1062 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 1: week to week to see what happens in the Real 1063 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: Friends of West Hollywood's fives, dissecting these compelling characters, these 1064 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: amazing arcs, and really really getting invested the Real Friends 1065 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 1: of West WeDo. It's like, tell me, you're not really 1066 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: friends without real friends. It's so funny. I'm open. I'm 1067 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: not even dragging. I'm not even peremptively dragging like could 1068 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,400 Speaker 1: we Yes, i am open to it being an entertaining watch. 1069 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 1: It's what people have wanted secretly or not so secretly 1070 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 1: for a long time. But you just realize that. It's 1071 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 1: like some things are just it's tough to get everyone 1072 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 1: on board. And I would say largely, not that many 1073 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,360 Speaker 1: people are on board, but we are. But here's the thing. 1074 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: It's going to come on right after drag Race, which 1075 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: people are also going to have the TVs on. Well, 1076 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: people have an emoment, people have an emotional connection to, 1077 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, mean girls, then drag Race then untucked like 1078 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 1: that what they that, that is what they want, that 1079 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,120 Speaker 1: is what they're used to. And now you're getting, you know, 1080 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: fucking like the real friends the challenge into drag Race 1081 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: into the real friends like that, it completely sucks up 1082 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: there cushioning and so I mean, let's just quickly go 1083 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 1: down the list of these people. You know, it's so 1084 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: funny they stopped at friends. Whatever the market research was 1085 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 1: was like, no, friends is actually the best word for 1086 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 1: this instead of like days, I don't believe that these 1087 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: men are actually friends. Of course not that's my biggest 1088 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: qualm of going into it, as I was like, no, 1089 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't think the six of them are actually friends. 1090 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,720 Speaker 1: Actually kind of know that, Um, I don't want to 1091 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: say to too much, but like they're they're not. This 1092 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 1: is a casting and I just think they could have 1093 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,760 Speaker 1: come to l A and found a group of six 1094 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: or seven or eight people that were actually friends and 1095 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,120 Speaker 1: just done that. But and I think that's come that's 1096 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 1: maybe the first miscalculation. It's like did not. And I 1097 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: don't understand how you could want to pattern this after 1098 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives and not understand that Housewives works better 1099 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: when you're watching an established group of people with history 1100 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,640 Speaker 1: and steaks. But I digress. I think where it gets 1101 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,240 Speaker 1: a little distorted as status, Like I personally have no 1102 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,040 Speaker 1: issue with Housewives franchises where I don't know any of 1103 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 1: these people, like these women going in right, do you 1104 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so the fact that that 1105 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: you have Brad and Todrick and James Vaughant, like it's like, uh, people, 1106 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like, do they have to be 1107 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: people that are like mildly exposed? Like I agree with 1108 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's like it should just be like 1109 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: a group of gays in West Hollywood who work different jobs. 1110 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Let's say, I don't even I don't even know, like 1111 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,200 Speaker 1: I it's it's it's just I think, not this, it's 1112 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 1: not this. Do you know what I'm saying and well, yeah, yeah, 1113 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna find out immediately when the conflict is like 1114 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,240 Speaker 1: canned that they went ahead and cast this, Whereas like, 1115 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: what excites me about like a first episode of something 1116 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,680 Speaker 1: is like when the conflict feels really specific and small 1117 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,840 Speaker 1: and could only be between these two people. Like if 1118 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 1: if the conflict feels broad in the first episode, we're 1119 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,240 Speaker 1: gonna know like, oh, they're trying too hard to make 1120 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: this a thing. The reason Salt Lake City took off 1121 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,120 Speaker 1: was because it smells like hospital. Literally, it was like, 1122 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,400 Speaker 1: we're off to the races and we've never let go 1123 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,600 Speaker 1: of the rocket ship since the Rocketship Race. We're off 1124 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: to the rocket ship races, and I feel like there 1125 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: is I don't really see potential for that in this 1126 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: because I also don't think these are like can't be 1127 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,840 Speaker 1: larger than life characters, except for maybe Taddrick. Like I said, 1128 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 1: I'm willing to be surprised. I hope it's fun and funny, 1129 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,240 Speaker 1: and I hope that, like you know, there's positive representation, 1130 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 1: and I hope it's ultimately, like you know, a good 1131 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: compelling show. I just wonder if we've already shot ourselves 1132 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,880 Speaker 1: in the foot by not following an authentic group of 1133 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 1: friends that the audience could discover because it's or it's 1134 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,000 Speaker 1: like getting a coloring book and it's like half colored in. 1135 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's like Burial already has 1136 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: red hair. And what's coming to me is that maybe 1137 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: viacom MTV was a little freaked out by the way 1138 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 1: Fire Island the show was received, where it literally was 1139 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,240 Speaker 1: like a group of like just like gay men who like, 1140 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: we're friends with each other vaguely, who didn't know going 1141 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,960 Speaker 1: in as an audience. So maybe they were like, let's 1142 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: try to like veer the other way, and so that 1143 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: might explain it. This just kind of is my slipshod 1144 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: like way of justifying that. Yeah, I think that. Also, 1145 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: it's like, at the very least, like they got well, 1146 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I don't know about everyone on this cast, but like 1147 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: a few of them are really talented, you know what 1148 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Brad currently Grey stylist, I mean Toddrick, I 1149 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:07,600 Speaker 1: mean Dadrick is talented, very talented actor. Yes, And I 1150 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: mean like, so they got a bunch of very dynamic 1151 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 1: people to be on the cast. I guess I'm just 1152 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: curious to see how it's gonna fly out because I 1153 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,439 Speaker 1: don't know, but I know they did get some people 1154 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: that worked on Housewives to work on it, Like some 1155 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: of the producers are Housewives producers, So they're going to 1156 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 1: try to make this as much in the image as 1157 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: they possibly can. I mean, I'm just curious. In any case, 1158 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 1: this will be um A recap hodo, we recap pod, 1159 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,240 Speaker 1: recap pod, So stay tune, I mean, and we encourage 1160 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 1: you all to watch along with us since we can 1161 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 1: all be we're all starting in the same level, and 1162 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, just it's fun to just have conversations about this. 1163 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,760 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say it's fun to have conversations. I think 1164 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 1: that's ruler culture number six. It's fun to have conversations. 1165 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: It's time for I don't think so honey. This is 1166 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: if you're just joining us now and media rez, this 1167 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,720 Speaker 1: is our one minute segment that we do to really 1168 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,680 Speaker 1: get something in culture that deserves to be dragged. And 1169 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: I think there's something that's screaming up from the culture 1170 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 1: that is top of my list for I don't think so, honey, 1171 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,040 Speaker 1: and I'm ready, okay, this is Matt Rodgers is I 1172 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 1: don't think so. Money's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, 1173 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone leaving Selina the list of the two hundred 1174 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: greatest singers fuck off. This is so shameful and it's 1175 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,520 Speaker 1: bitter and it's personal. I don't know how. I don't 1176 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: know what the collective issue that Rolling Stone must have 1177 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 1: with Selen Dion, but to leave her even off a 1178 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 1: top ten greatest singers list would be debatable at least 1179 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: two hundred. Are you crazy if you pull I don't 1180 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,440 Speaker 1: think so, honey. If you think that you're not going 1181 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 1: to pull all of those singers and they wouldn't even 1182 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 1: say she's one of the greatest singers of all time, 1183 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,840 Speaker 1: ask the list that you are in itself for shame. 1184 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: This is ridiculous talking about people say that Mariah like 1185 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,040 Speaker 1: and Whitney cultivated like the modern pop so downd Selene 1186 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,800 Speaker 1: was right up there with it. Rolling Stone, this is terrible. 1187 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 1: S top five. Shame on you, Rolling You really had 1188 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,440 Speaker 1: me fooled, and you two Stone death to all of them. 1189 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 1: That's beautiful, man, and thank you for saying that it 1190 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: is not for nothing. But now now at a time 1191 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: where she is publicly really weakened and suffering, and so 1192 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 1: it's such a such a state of depression because she 1193 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,959 Speaker 1: can't perform. You're gonna kick her while she's down. Now, 1194 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:54,440 Speaker 1: it is cruel, it's incorrect, and it is it feels 1195 01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,600 Speaker 1: like really tasteless to me, really tasteless for me. Like 1196 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720 Speaker 1: as soon as I heard that you wasn't on it, 1197 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 1: I was like, well, then I'm not gonna it wasn't 1198 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,720 Speaker 1: even that, Like I, first of all, I worships they 1199 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,600 Speaker 1: never have worshiped my whole life. But it just makes 1200 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 1: it completely like ice is that whole list out in 1201 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,440 Speaker 1: my mind. I'm like, I'm not going to read that. 1202 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I can't take it seriously. It's like you have to 1203 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: be able to like wink through it somehow. And like 1204 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,720 Speaker 1: Rob Sheffield, whoever the funk at Rolling Stone, like the 1205 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: people who make these lists, the music editors there are 1206 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,920 Speaker 1: all well and good. I just sometimes they really like 1207 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,600 Speaker 1: to troll the way that like you and I like 1208 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 1: to with our lists. But it's like we do it 1209 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,920 Speaker 1: in a way that's like truly frivolous Stone though we're not. 1210 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,800 Speaker 1: We're not like an actual respected publication that you should 1211 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: read and be like, yes, like I can take this 1212 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,680 Speaker 1: as somehow word is bond, you know what I mean? 1213 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,919 Speaker 1: Like and then they're stupid fucking thing that they said 1214 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,480 Speaker 1: after Remember, this isn't Top two hundred greatest voices. This 1215 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: is Top two hundred greatest singers. And there is talent 1216 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: and then there is genius. I'm like, I'm sorry, but 1217 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,480 Speaker 1: you want to talk about technique and you want to 1218 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,160 Speaker 1: talk about genius. You want talking about singing, the way 1219 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,920 Speaker 1: that Celine Dion uses her voice, the way that she 1220 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,360 Speaker 1: uses her breath, her control, her access her range. Like, 1221 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: are you crazy? Like voices versus singing? And that's how 1222 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,000 Speaker 1: you're going to distinguish. That's how you're going to justify 1223 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,880 Speaker 1: leaving Celine Dion off. It's too much, it's too much, 1224 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:27,000 Speaker 1: um whatever. I literally having nothing to do with this list, 1225 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 1: Like just subscribe to Rolling Stone just because I'm like, oh, 1226 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,800 Speaker 1: like they do good reporting. Um, but this is this Yeah, 1227 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,479 Speaker 1: this is beyond the pail. Okay, it was completely beyond 1228 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the pail. Bow That's what I said. Okay, and listen. 1229 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: So what I want to say to you right now 1230 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: is that it's your time. I don't think so, honey, 1231 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 1: do you have something on today? I do? I do? 1232 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,960 Speaker 1: This is bowen yan. I don't think so, honey. As 1233 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,000 Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. London not 1234 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,520 Speaker 1: embracing its pub food roots and only, and everywhere you 1235 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,120 Speaker 1: go there's pizzas us, there's shake shock, there's fucking like 1236 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,360 Speaker 1: things that don't belong, that do belong in London, but 1237 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: aren't about London. I want you know me. I love 1238 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 1: meat pies and there is no good place to get 1239 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,760 Speaker 1: meat pie in London. The worst pies in London. There 1240 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: are no pies in London to speak of. Mrs Mrs 1241 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Lovett found dead. I'm over here going. It took me 1242 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,000 Speaker 1: four different tries today, Matt true story to order a 1243 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,920 Speaker 1: meat pie off of the delivery service. All I wanted 1244 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 1: was a nice chicken pie, because that is British. It's authentic, 1245 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,840 Speaker 1: it's delicious, it's comforting, it's a rainy day in London. 1246 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: That's all I wanted. Why does it make it so hard, 1247 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,800 Speaker 1: the cultural leader, there's so many roadblocks to having an 1248 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: authentic London experience. London, embrace your identity, closed down some 1249 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 1: of the pizzeria's, we don't need them, turn them into 1250 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,720 Speaker 1: pie shops. That's one minute. That's one minute. You know. 1251 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Sudy just got back from London. As well, after Send 1252 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,800 Speaker 1: spending her New Year's there, and she was also in 1253 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,960 Speaker 1: Dublin and she whets the food is abject bad. I mean, 1254 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,680 Speaker 1: the food is not bad in London. London has an amazing, 1255 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 1: amazing dining landscape. I'm just saying, every now and then 1256 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,559 Speaker 1: I want to order a pie off, specifically a meat pie, 1257 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: a meat pie, and I'm going, why is this so hard? 1258 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 1: I've I've had amazing dining experiences in London. I just 1259 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: wish there was a broader range of things and use cases. 1260 01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,439 Speaker 1: I want to pie. I'm sure other people do too. 1261 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,760 Speaker 1: It's I want bubble and squeak. I want these authentic 1262 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: British foods. Do you know what I mean? Anyway? You know, um, 1263 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,560 Speaker 1: this is what I was saying. Sometimes when you're in 1264 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 1: a certain environment and you're doing something like eating a 1265 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: meat pie in London, it can recall Sweeney Todd and 1266 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,080 Speaker 1: then you might lose your apposite because you look down 1267 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,960 Speaker 1: at your pie and you think, is this a human? 1268 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,040 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Is this a human? Is 1269 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,559 Speaker 1: this the cat? Is this a cockroach? It's like when 1270 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,280 Speaker 1: you watch the movie No and then you get your body, 1271 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,639 Speaker 1: You're like, is the note monster? Eating in my butt 1272 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 1: that monster. I didn't like her when she died though, 1273 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,240 Speaker 1: that was a gag sorry spoiler. When when she blew 1274 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,720 Speaker 1: up the final form of that monster, I was like, 1275 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I looking at? It was 1276 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,599 Speaker 1: so big, first of all, so big. I wonder if 1277 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,519 Speaker 1: Kiki was gagged when she finally saw the moving and 1278 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,320 Speaker 1: that's what the monster looked like. We're gonna have to 1279 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,559 Speaker 1: ask her that. We're gonna have to ask her that. Kiki. 1280 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 1: Go look up Kiki's Instagram or TikTok. She's talking about 1281 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,880 Speaker 1: how she finally got clear skin. It's the funniest thing 1282 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,000 Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. 1283 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:38,960 Speaker 1: We're going to have so much to discuss with her. 1284 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Next week Kicky Plumber and this is 1285 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a big year for Last Cultures discuss. I 1286 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,479 Speaker 1: think we're taking it up the next level. We're taking 1287 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,200 Speaker 1: it up the next level. Some fun moments, and we're 1288 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,639 Speaker 1: gonna we're it's gonna be balanced, it's gonna be gaggy, 1289 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. We're gonna really get into it 1290 01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: with some fun people. Fair and balanced. I wonder where 1291 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:07,920 Speaker 1: I've heard that before. Fair and balanced is is our 1292 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,080 Speaker 1: tagline for our new season, Fair and balanced. Should we 1293 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,599 Speaker 1: moderate the debates whenever they happen? Should they have lost week? 1294 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 1: But that's not what you said, you said to her. 1295 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,640 Speaker 1: I think Lost culturestis a live experience, should be like 1296 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:32,519 Speaker 1: a debate show. That's really good. You know, that's really good. 1297 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,640 Speaker 1: We're still dealing with the repercussions of culture, which was 1298 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,360 Speaker 1: what seven years ago, and there are still there's still 1299 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,439 Speaker 1: some some wounds that have not been some shot. So 1300 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,760 Speaker 1: we'll see, you know what what deals wounds time time. 1301 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,280 Speaker 1: And that reminds me of a song. It really does, 1302 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 1: and we in every episode with a song. If you 1303 01:11:53,840 --> 01:12:12,040 Speaker 1: will catch you, I'll be it to u. Damn chime. 1304 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,599 Speaker 1: It's not a key change, okay, modulation. The other day 1305 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 1: you're off key and I was like, you're just like Lenny. 1306 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,280 Speaker 1: He's not just like me. It's too early for that, Lenny. 1307 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,240 Speaker 1: And he doesn't listen to the pot anymore, is what 1308 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,679 Speaker 1: I hear. But I'm gonna I'm gonna have some words 1309 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:34,559 Speaker 1: with Lenny. No Ah fighte up, Bye bye.