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Speaker 4: of the people personally I personally old tone because after
Speaker 4: I look at n R album, I always say, damn,
Speaker 4: I should have made track Master's executive producer because you
Speaker 4: guys was really their intricate in that whole album, and
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Speaker 4: I want to start with you. You they say the
Speaker 4: origins of your career started with Kidding Play. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Damne, Okay, I started as their road manager, so
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's been a long journey since then.
Speaker 6: But like they put me on straight up, Like I
Speaker 6: got introduced to Whiz through a mutual friend and him like, okay,
Speaker 6: that's how I got on right.
Speaker 2: So now in the beginning, because you said.
Speaker 3: You was the road manager, would you just say I
Speaker 3: wasn't even the road manager, and I was just I
Speaker 3: was the roade. That's that's that's not the rest of
Speaker 3: the guy who checks in for the road manage. Give
Speaker 3: me advanced man, that's what I was.
Speaker 2: Let's make some noise.
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Speaker 7: knowing about that?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: This is no no, no, no, no no no, this
Speaker 2: is open.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. He wanted some cigars, just tidads part
Speaker 3: against you know, just like work. We're gonna do this conversation.
Speaker 6: I don't want to move back nothing. Honestly, I'm going
Speaker 6: to get into this really really deep.
Speaker 3: Journalists a whole while. But his his his.
Speaker 4: You had an internet video on the internet recently that
Speaker 4: blew my mind. I think I called you and I
Speaker 4: told you I had a great idea because you were
Speaker 4: in Italy. I believe you were in customs, right, and
Speaker 4: these guys were trying to get you to pay for
Speaker 4: the wines.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand it. Okay, you tell your wine. I
Speaker 3: was bringing it back home and were charged me right.
Speaker 3: But the crazy thing was I was I was around
Speaker 3: a couple of.
Speaker 4: My friends and we was googling the actual bottles that
Speaker 4: you had, and this is some exclusive ship Like I
Speaker 4: felt like, I said, yo, this is rat class Like
Speaker 4: he's literally like I real because I spent money on
Speaker 4: alcohol and I literally don't know what I'll be doing,
Speaker 4: like just spending and these were there was a particular types.
Speaker 6: Of wines, right. It described that well, I can't remember
Speaker 6: what it what. I had an assortment that was going
Speaker 6: on vacation. I had to stop.
Speaker 3: Uh had a business thing and then I was going
Speaker 3: on vacation afterwards, and I just wanted to as in
Speaker 3: case I got there. It Actually it's what.
Speaker 6: I drink on a regular basis, not go want to
Speaker 6: drink like that's what. It just goes there like everything else,
Speaker 6: Like you know, you don't smoke the same weed you
Speaker 6: used to smoke.
Speaker 4: There's no no, just keep changing the ship.
Speaker 6: Right, So that's what it was, and they got they're
Speaker 6: flavoring over there in customs anyway. They just hit you
Speaker 6: with some wild Italian ship and just want you to
Speaker 6: just write a check for l scared.
Speaker 3: And ship because it's a talent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm like, it's Italian wine that shouldn't be
Speaker 6: paying customs on this.
Speaker 3: I bring it on, okay. Not tone?
Speaker 2: You was red hot tone, right hot love of tone?
Speaker 3: Red hot love of tone? So you did you start
Speaker 3: as an artist?
Speaker 8: I started as I started as an artist who couldn't
Speaker 8: find a producer. When I started producing my own music, wow,
Speaker 8: So then I became a producer, and then when did
Speaker 8: the artist thing?
Speaker 3: After? You know what, I produced a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: What do you enjoy more being an artist or being
Speaker 3: a producer producer? I don't remember.
Speaker 4: One year, Tom, This is right after I believe it
Speaker 4: was wedding and I came to you and and I
Speaker 4: asked you. I said, Tom, I want a commercial record.
Speaker 9: And you said yes, I might have great worded it
Speaker 9: radio record, right, and your exact words need to see
Speaker 9: was now? He said, I feel like, all right, Nas
Speaker 9: was a star from Illmatic, right, he was a star,
Speaker 9: but he wasn't a superstar.
Speaker 2: Then after he worked with track masters, arguably that was his.
Speaker 3: Moment of superstarting. And I felt like at first you
Speaker 3: you you.
Speaker 4: Didn't like that because you kind of made him commercial
Speaker 4: a little bit?
Speaker 3: Or was that hard the merch.
Speaker 2: We got?
Speaker 3: I didn't even know there was merch?
Speaker 4: I like that, Okay, we don't know an.
Speaker 2: Mister Lee, can you brother be careful? You know your style.
Speaker 3: You're not that good, so so what's the question. It
Speaker 3: was not because at the time like.
Speaker 10: For commercial, yeah, you absolutely, I'm glad you did. I
Speaker 10: remember what you said after that too, You want me
Speaker 10: tell you what you said? You said, you said NAS was.
Speaker 4: The king of the Hood, and people getting they mad
Speaker 4: at me because I gave him these records. And he
Speaker 4: turned and he said, right now, you're the prince of
Speaker 4: the Hood, and I'll give you all the hard records
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 3: You gave me, You gave me.
Speaker 4: All the hard records in the world, but you were
Speaker 4: staying away from like doing what you allowed L. E.
Speaker 3: S To produce. So I think I had a record
Speaker 3: with L. E. S. Chickle the barge.
Speaker 4: So so when NAS first received that commercial success, what
Speaker 4: you receiving backlash or something like that.
Speaker 8: We were We received backlash from the moment it was
Speaker 8: announced that track Masters were producing.
Speaker 3: It was never announced like that.
Speaker 11: Well it got out. It leaked out actually, so everyone
Speaker 11: was was afraid that NODS would be commercial when we
Speaker 11: would funk it up.
Speaker 3: Basically, you know what, what.
Speaker 12: Were you guys already before that, like what what tracks
Speaker 12: that people were worried about it.
Speaker 11: I think we had just finished.
Speaker 6: You had just finished l all but before that ship
Speaker 6: that broke off was the so so for real?
Speaker 11: Maybe so leading more towards R and B exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what we did, I mean the river that you
Speaker 3: that popped before that, didn't you do.
Speaker 2: On the run?
Speaker 3: But on the run L Street blue out, dis right,
Speaker 3: don't get jigging with it.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, it's walk now. He didn't get jiggying up
Speaker 6: with it.
Speaker 3: He's the whole ship. And you know he was like
Speaker 3: he couldn't you're getting right to the Naz. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: get back to the because yes, no, no, that's important,
Speaker 3: the uh Naz. It was written when you're coming off
Speaker 3: of illmatic, the.
Speaker 4: Issue I'd had, and you didn't manage him illic No,
Speaker 4: I was trying to manage him.
Speaker 6: And then right at the day I was going to
Speaker 6: meet him to get the whole ship going, was right
Speaker 6: after the Sauce Awards are the ones, the one where
Speaker 6: you know Snoop came out New York Don't got no
Speaker 6: love for okay, and now they got NASA got locked up. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Na's got locked up some ship and like the record
Speaker 6: company wouldn't even give him money to get his shirt,
Speaker 6: like it was some crazy, dumb, stupid ship. And I
Speaker 6: had just gotten a hold of him and just start
Speaker 6: took the people keeping you away from him, you know,
Speaker 6: like and like when we made it was written, it
Speaker 6: was like, how could you not make I Rule the
Speaker 6: World with Lauren Hill, like it makes perfect sense. That
Speaker 6: is a hip hop record, I Rule the World. It
Speaker 6: is a hip hop wrecking like it didn't make a
Speaker 6: difference what anybody said. And I felt like everyone kept
Speaker 6: on coming up to me or coming up to them saying,
Speaker 6: all y'all fucking nas up. I felt like it was
Speaker 6: every artist that just didn't want that good looking, young
Speaker 6: rapping nigga to.
Speaker 3: Be a superstar. They wanted him to stay it's like down.
Speaker 6: They wanted him to be like g Rapp. They wanted
Speaker 6: him to be like the underguy, but never make it.
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, fuck all of you guys, every single
Speaker 6: one of you guys. Fuck all of you guys getting
Speaker 6: all the money. And if it was Biggie or Tupac
Speaker 6: or Tribe or this or ever, it didn't even make
Speaker 6: a difference.
Speaker 3: Whoever, we got the full package. Now that was your
Speaker 3: idea to put a nads and track masses together. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was already working with Tony and Polk. I was
Speaker 3: managing them and it was nas It was perfect right,
Speaker 3: And did you know did you know the impact that
Speaker 3: you think what you said? Okay, I like, I like
Speaker 3: the confidence got damn confidence. Man, this is what we're
Speaker 3: gonna fill up on some drinks. What we were doing
Speaker 3: telling you don't want to you right now we have tiger,
Speaker 3: We got taga.
Speaker 4: We gonna get the tiger bone in the second baby
Speaker 4: something that you Now, I want you to break that
Speaker 4: down because what.
Speaker 3: Kind of the guard? What what you know?
Speaker 2: We're from the hood.
Speaker 4: If you be smoking cigars just to just to put
Speaker 4: weeding them, I wanted to start smoking cigars.
Speaker 3: I want to start ship class. I want to start.
Speaker 3: Don't want you have doubts me. I got pictures on there.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not I'm not you like that's a called hebra, right, I.
Speaker 3: Guess this is a you can tell. Okay, that's a
Speaker 3: fifty four. Now I'm saying the price. That's the price.
Speaker 3: That's the gauge. That's the gage of size.
Speaker 2: Miss fly right now, I smoked the guard that I'll
Speaker 2: take it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's some fly ship, man, it's some fly hip right there.
Speaker 4: Good and now now red wine? Why is why is
Speaker 4: is the bad wine more expensive? Is the most expensive
Speaker 4: than white wine?
Speaker 3: No? This is some specive white.
Speaker 6: Big I got one right here? How much is that
Speaker 6: the painting on who you buy it from. This is coach,
Speaker 6: this is white Burgundy, this goes.
Speaker 3: Had that get cry from friends? Now stout. They told
Speaker 3: me that your friends with Tom Brady? Is this true?
Speaker 3: Who the fuck is friends of Tom Brady's not gonna
Speaker 3: lie only god, I know, I know Tom Brady.
Speaker 6: We used to hang out. We used to play college
Speaker 6: with Tom Brady. This great Tom Brady story set.
Speaker 3: Like I know Tom Brady. Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't have yes, yes, yes, I know a lot of
Speaker 4: people have been around it. Don't got Tom Brady number,
Speaker 4: got damn.
Speaker 3: To hang out that button man, You talk that Tom
Speaker 3: Brady would play on a Sunday Tom all right before
Speaker 3: he did the TV twelve ship, he was doing all
Speaker 3: the regular human ship.
Speaker 4: He was doing humans ship. We knew Tom Brady to
Speaker 4: be a human. Now you also was working with Genius. Correct,
Speaker 4: you have a steak in Genius.
Speaker 3: I'm on the board.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: I know it's from Flash.
Speaker 13: I just.
Speaker 3: I just doing some fly ship right there.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now it was a time where Tupac was actually
Speaker 4: beefing with Masters.
Speaker 2: Correct what what what was that like for for you guys?
Speaker 3: Because that was two total icons that would that you know.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the story. Okay. So I was working
Speaker 3: at Innis Corp.
Speaker 6: At the time, and I had heard the Tupac album
Speaker 6: and he had that song where he was shipped on
Speaker 6: just hit him, hit him, shipped on everybody, and he
Speaker 6: shipped on Oas and but not.
Speaker 3: Don't hit him up, hitting on Naves on a different record.
Speaker 3: But I know what you're talking about. It was on
Speaker 3: the same It was you.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, it was him, Nas and Malty. I
Speaker 2: was thinking on.
Speaker 3: Everybody and then.
Speaker 6: Like I spoke to Nads about it and we were
Speaker 6: at the it was the MTV Awards in New York,
Speaker 6: which was it was tense.
Speaker 3: Because it was Death Row East and you know whatever
Speaker 3: that looked like and what it dethroast was just the
Speaker 3: homies from the New York right. Well, it was Eric
Speaker 3: b was.
Speaker 6: Was the president of Death Row East and we were
Speaker 6: in Brian Park that that that that that that those
Speaker 6: awards with because bone Thugs destroyed the show. They opened it,
Speaker 6: they shut that fucking thing down. And then anyhow, and
Speaker 6: it was tense and big and puff and all that.
Speaker 6: It was gonna be there and it was supposed to
Speaker 6: have been ninety five because Jay was there and uh
Speaker 6: we went to Brian Park and Sons NAS was there
Speaker 6: and we seen them guys coming and it was it
Speaker 6: was deep and the Nas made a call and then
Speaker 6: it was it got really tense in the middle. But
Speaker 6: I did see in the beginning Nas and Tupac when
Speaker 6: they got into the center and it was all around them.
Speaker 6: Tupac was like, Yo, you're the king of New York man.
Speaker 6: This it was like, no disrespect. It was that kind
Speaker 6: of conversation. And Shug came running in like he got
Speaker 6: there like like twenty seconds after the fact.
Speaker 3: And ran in boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
Speaker 3: boom boom, and.
Speaker 6: It was like around the situation going like yo, what's
Speaker 6: going on? You know, like and started and he looked at.
Speaker 3: Me, like, what are you doing? I just seen you
Speaker 3: in La in a scope. Yeah, he looked at me,
Speaker 3: recognized me from being within his scope. But he still Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: you know, Jungle got the motherfucking on this nigga, and
Speaker 3: it's looking I'm looking at the toe.
Speaker 6: I'm look He's get at me, and I can see
Speaker 6: the toast on him, and like these two guys going out.
Speaker 3: It was a very tense situation that thankfully worked out. Okay,
Speaker 3: it worked out okay that night, because it could have
Speaker 3: been really ugly that night. You know, they were in
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 4: And you know, you know, of course, of course, So yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to hear it get more because you know,
Speaker 4: I never met Tupacs, so you know, I want to,
Speaker 4: like I want to.
Speaker 2: We're gonna come.
Speaker 3: Back to it, definitely, We're coming on the twentieth.
Speaker 4: This is the twentieth or twenty one anniversary of the
Speaker 4: firm in my correct twenty as long as drenth.
Speaker 14: Of the matter is, you know what, Like, I don't
Speaker 14: want to give everything an anniversary like that, but twenty
Speaker 14: years deserve the twenty except the album.
Speaker 6: Well, the album could have been better. The album should
Speaker 6: have been better. If it's too much talent, it was,
Speaker 6: it was a monument.
Speaker 3: I don't like that. Man, I don't think you feel
Speaker 3: like that. I think this. Tell me. That's what I
Speaker 3: think about everything. Twenty years. Okay, that's how I think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 11: I think Down was dope. We just I think we
Speaker 11: dropped the wrong first scene.
Speaker 3: What phone top That wasn't the first Yeah, yeah, well no,
Speaker 3: it was a lot of different things. I mean it
Speaker 3: was it was you guys were making the get the
Speaker 3: Will Smith album down here, and yeah, doctor Drake came
Speaker 3: down here.
Speaker 6: We were we were in a milliate a Stefan studio
Speaker 6: down here. We had the whole ship lockdown, and we
Speaker 6: were making Will Smith's album. Uh, finishing the ours record,
Speaker 6: big of my man.
Speaker 3: Estabaugh's Kitchen is one of my favorite restaurants. I had
Speaker 3: to throw that out there. Is a fantastic first he's
Speaker 3: he's fantastic.
Speaker 2: You know, he got like a mister Child style a restaurant.
Speaker 3: You know, he has two thousand employees. God damn space,
Speaker 3: He's tremendous. Was the craziest member.
Speaker 6: He was buying blocks down here, all the shipped down
Speaker 6: here with your spiders.
Speaker 3: He was, he was.
Speaker 6: He was buying blocks down here twenty years ago for
Speaker 6: a half a million dollars for the entire block. And
Speaker 6: he was buying them im parcels.
Speaker 3: God damn it, stole keep talking. Yeah, and is fucking
Speaker 3: nuts here go he owns all those kids, the motherfucker.
Speaker 3: He's when you be low, you buying. So who's the
Speaker 3: craziest member of the front. Throw it out there, Go
Speaker 3: for it, Go boy, come on. Now you hear out,
Speaker 3: you're hearing out stuff crazy crazy in old way, crazy easy.
Speaker 3: It could be great, it could be bad, it could
Speaker 3: be whatever. They know, you know what so funny about
Speaker 3: this show. They know like let the alcohol kick in.
Speaker 14: There.
Speaker 3: There's pre and this post. Somebody's job is to look
Speaker 3: at everybody's eyes. And he just came out. It's all
Speaker 3: to Jim. It's about pacing this off. You know, there's
Speaker 3: there's no water.
Speaker 4: No, we got water for we got water, got your bag,
Speaker 4: hang out my water water we're professional bus.
Speaker 3: Oh, Rather, what was the craziest session, like a firm session?
Speaker 3: What was.
Speaker 11: Craziest firm session?
Speaker 3: I mean the bends with mhm my solo though not
Speaker 3: the firm. You didn't go up there when we were
Speaker 3: there recording, not for the firm. You would when fifty
Speaker 3: was up there. Yeah, when I was doing something, you know,
Speaker 3: I never Yo, we gotta talk about it. But that document, Yo,
Speaker 3: me and you. We're getting there now, we're going there. No,
Speaker 3: no't worry about We're gonna get there. Werena have to
Speaker 3: get there. We're gonna get there. I'm problem, We're gonna
Speaker 3: get take a sessions. I was by the way, I
Speaker 3: was just orchestrating everything. Maybe we had this whole entire time.
Speaker 3: You fifty yes, nah, yes, the firm, the thing, what's
Speaker 3: his name?
Speaker 6: The nigga from my neighborhood that I put on that
Speaker 6: turned into a fucking psychopath.
Speaker 3: Okay, the little producer dude shot money. Oh all these
Speaker 3: guys he didn't have.
Speaker 2: You know, let me let me tell you something stuff.
Speaker 2: I always you felt like.
Speaker 6: Drying into a psychopath because I think that this is
Speaker 6: how I feel about everything. If somebody puts you on
Speaker 6: in life in any way, shape or form, that's it.
Speaker 3: Man. You disrespect for Ami. It's disrespectful effort. You see
Speaker 3: what what you just said?
Speaker 4: You got it.
Speaker 3: I was a roadie, I got kidding, played Wiz, I
Speaker 3: met Wiz DJ Whiz.
Speaker 6: I would not be here where I am right now
Speaker 6: if it wasn't for DJ Whiz putting me on full stop.
Speaker 6: It's how it goes. And if I'm in your business,
Speaker 6: like when you got guys hair, you did shit like
Speaker 6: I don't think that anyone should be shipped on. If
Speaker 6: they're pushing culture forward and they're trying to get shit done,
Speaker 6: and I think people they make a sport out of
Speaker 6: it because It's easy to make a support out of
Speaker 6: it and sensationalize making fun of somebody or shitting on
Speaker 6: somebody or whatever whatever. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: like it's our job together to push this thing forward.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm here. I'm here because I've watched this
Speaker 3: man bro and I would have never done this. I
Speaker 3: didn't even fuck with him at all. I used to
Speaker 3: fuck with him and I could not stand with his
Speaker 3: Don't that says not let's let's go. Haven't had a shot?
Speaker 3: But no? What was what was one of the craziest
Speaker 3: firm sessions? What was the one that stand out to you?
Speaker 3: There were none with the were but your home? Open
Speaker 3: the door, my man is at the dog. We got you?
Speaker 3: There were none? Or they were you said, it's rich
Speaker 3: Paul at the dog.
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Speaker 2: Because was this your first time collaborating with doctor Dryden?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I think the most memorable thing.
Speaker 3: Up in Miami. It was a fight Doctor Dre's man
Speaker 3: kicked somebody. It was some crazy shit.
Speaker 6: You don't remember name, Damn you do remember that as fuck.
Speaker 6: There were some crazy stories in Miami. Man Will Smith
Speaker 6: got mad.
Speaker 3: Nobody was.
Speaker 2: We don't want to put Will Smith on an album?
Speaker 15: Is that?
Speaker 3: What happened was snapping on doctor Dred.
Speaker 2: You know, Will got jokes.
Speaker 3: Will got jokes. Remember the swiftness? A lot of terrible
Speaker 3: So so why y'all y'all think so?
Speaker 15: So?
Speaker 3: You remember nothing.
Speaker 4: Why do you think the Firm was wasn't bigger? Like
Speaker 4: that was the first time East Coast Like this was
Speaker 4: two monuments.
Speaker 3: First time first music Doctor Dre made after he left
Speaker 3: out the bro was NASA's coming on NASA's album and
Speaker 3: the first project on Aftermath was the Firm. It was
Speaker 3: brand new ship.
Speaker 6: Niggas had to toning Pope was big and they're all right,
Speaker 6: and they you know, they weren't like you know, they
Speaker 6: were splitting the album and you know, Fox he was loose, Cannon,
Speaker 6: what's his thing?
Speaker 3: Cormega was in out. We could go that he was
Speaker 3: in and out the Firm. He was getting very you know,
Speaker 3: he was belligerent based off of his status. This kid
Speaker 3: nature which is beligitamate me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that was the big words.
Speaker 3: Like he just like yeah, it was mad, angry, upset.
Speaker 4: Because why did he exactly get kicked out of the group.
Speaker 4: Back then, like people work through their problems. We didn't
Speaker 4: have the internet, so most of the times people will
Speaker 4: go behind the scenes that work out the problems. But
Speaker 4: he was actually you guys have to take it a
Speaker 4: measure to actually kick him out of the group and
Speaker 4: replace him, even if he would have got kicked out
Speaker 4: of the group.
Speaker 3: Back then it was usually the three members move forward.
Speaker 3: But so what happened in that situation? You remember he
Speaker 3: not shouted it out when he was he was in
Speaker 3: jail on ill, he was over car Meaca. Did you
Speaker 3: see him together when he.
Speaker 6: Got home, before he even got came back around, even
Speaker 6: fucked with nas or funk with us what he was doing.
Speaker 3: He signed them, Chris, we skipped him off.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, stop going too fast?
Speaker 3: I like, so, what wasn't even that fast? You said? Lunch?
Speaker 13: You saying, nah, shouted him out? The bus started from
Speaker 13: that that shout out. He comes home and he goes
Speaker 13: sign somewhere else. But was there a conversation, not even
Speaker 13: a conversation get out of here?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Wow, No, I never knew that, I thought because it
Speaker 4: looked like our okay you and for dudes that don't
Speaker 4: know Chris lighty god bleed us. The debt was my
Speaker 4: manager and was it was like you was either with
Speaker 4: with Chris or you was with Stout at that time,
Speaker 4: y'all was the two by or Mark Pitts was out
Speaker 4: there as well, like as far as management.
Speaker 3: Go at that time, and Flavor Unit to keep a
Speaker 3: flavor unit.
Speaker 2: Was kind of like just flavor unit like they want.
Speaker 3: It was it was he You're right, it was it
Speaker 3: was if you wasn't he was with me and Chris.
Speaker 3: It was either you were me, you were Chris. It
Speaker 3: wasn't even management. It was more than just management.
Speaker 15: It was just like.
Speaker 3: We control the market, right, and it was like bad boy.
Speaker 3: Then you had violator what they were doing, and then
Speaker 3: you had a sense of what we were doing. And
Speaker 3: if you weren't with that, we controlled the market in
Speaker 3: New York. We did. That's right. Talk that shit now,
Speaker 3: well that's the truth. Talk that ship. You can verify it.
Speaker 3: You can verify you got the computer. You got computer guy.
Speaker 3: There was nowhere to go right now. Twenty years later,
Speaker 3: you think Nas would be his businessman that Nas turned
Speaker 3: out to be. He asked you that question the other day.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of him, bro, Like.
Speaker 4: I'm seriously, he's out there looking good with Nicki Minaj,
Speaker 4: out there looking good.
Speaker 3: Game boy. Yeah, he's special. He's a special duty. But
Speaker 3: he got in on lift, he got it on everything.
Speaker 3: He's first of all, his manager, Anthony Salad is like,
Speaker 3: you know special, he's talented.
Speaker 6: I mean these guys are all cut from the same cloth,
Speaker 6: like very resourceful, trying to figure it out. And Nas
Speaker 6: is one of the most trustworthy people he would ever meet.
Speaker 6: He could read you and if he he fucks with
Speaker 6: you and he trusts you. I never had a management
Speaker 6: contract with Nuts never. I never, ever, ever, ever had
Speaker 6: to even think about getting paid from him.
Speaker 3: I'd be I'd have four hundred thousand dollars in cash
Speaker 3: and he wouldn't even know or Karen like, he's not
Speaker 3: like that. He doesn't move or for money, but he
Speaker 3: likes nice things or whatever, but money don't move him.
Speaker 3: So it was never about if he trusts me, he
Speaker 3: funcsured you. That's what it is.
Speaker 6: So Anthony, you know, just kept moving it forward and
Speaker 6: got him involved in technology. I introduced Nas to this's
Speaker 6: guy Ben Horowitz, who's the you know, leading venture capitalist
Speaker 6: who happens to love rhymes, and him and Nas hooked up.
Speaker 3: I put him together and then, like Anthony.
Speaker 6: Outside of that relationship started creating other relationships in Silicon
Speaker 6: Valley and Na shows.
Speaker 3: Up now shows up on time. What made you fall
Speaker 3: back on management? Like like that was a lot of money,
Speaker 3: like just in that business, correct, am I saying that
Speaker 3: crazy motherfuckers like you.
Speaker 6: I think I went from managing artists and I wanted
Speaker 6: to manage companies. It was just like I still feel
Speaker 6: like I'm managing, just managing corporations rather than managing individual artists.
Speaker 3: But I love artists, and I love special artists, the
Speaker 3: guys that are really talented that that what they do
Speaker 3: can't be replicated, and I have a lot of deep
Speaker 3: respect for it.
Speaker 6: And my job as a businessman is to make sure
Speaker 6: that people leave them the funk alone so they could
Speaker 6: just c they to do and create, and leave them
Speaker 6: alone and give them the money and the resources and
Speaker 6: the environment to be great.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now, who was the easiest artist to ever produce
Speaker 4: for it?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 11: You were, You were pretty good.
Speaker 8: Yes, we walked in the studio, I said, I got
Speaker 8: the track, you said, everybody get out the room.
Speaker 3: I play right up, and you went to work. But
Speaker 3: it's between.
Speaker 11: Jay and Knuts, both very easy to work, easy.
Speaker 4: To work, that's very politically correct, correct.
Speaker 3: Lying dreams right, No longer.
Speaker 11: He's the easiest artist.
Speaker 4: He's the easiest artist. He always has his ship prepared.
Speaker 4: Now let me give you another one. What what was
Speaker 4: an artist that you you was disappointed in like, you
Speaker 4: went to work with them and they work ethic wasn't
Speaker 4: there at all.
Speaker 3: They fell asleep, the truth asleep. Don't say nature, don't
Speaker 3: say nature. Don't show up, just dream man. You'll put
Speaker 3: some shots. Good.
Speaker 11: You gotta come on, Honestly, I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 11: disappointed at anybody.
Speaker 3: You made the pre said Whitney Houston disappointed him. God,
Speaker 3: damn it.
Speaker 15: Come on.
Speaker 3: You gotta give her something, he said. Whitney Houston could
Speaker 3: not hit the notes that he wrote for. He said
Speaker 3: she was racking the studio. He said that right. He
Speaker 3: said that right. You'll see you sitting that right now.
Speaker 3: He said that, we're just keeping it real rail. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fox was tough to work with now now yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like whoy yeah, Like.
Speaker 11: She was just young at the time.
Speaker 3: Besides y'all as well, that's all. That's another good story.
Speaker 3: That was depth story.
Speaker 8: She was young, Okay, So I think the start I'm
Speaker 8: coming at her really fast. Was hard to get her
Speaker 8: in the studio and really and really work. But when
Speaker 8: she arrived at the studio, she got busy. He was
Speaker 8: just getting it there on time.
Speaker 3: And seventeen. She used to come with a book back
Speaker 3: cow found facing man, what don't discover? First? Describe what
Speaker 3: these hold on?
Speaker 8: We just grew up honesty at Washington, Washington, grow up
Speaker 8: from Brooklyn, from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got you from Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: We like a queen's nigga, like so I always just
Speaker 4: claimed you in my mind, like using from queens, like
Speaker 4: you know what in my mind?
Speaker 3: Drinking that is that what it like?
Speaker 2: It's a tradition. Okay, it's a tradition.
Speaker 3: Okay. Now, I don't know if y'all know about drink chants,
Speaker 3: but drink champs is I've seen.
Speaker 4: There was not a platform that when people get ten
Speaker 4: years or people get twenty years or fifteen years in
Speaker 4: this game, people want to write them off. People want
Speaker 4: to say that these guys ain't doing it no more.
Speaker 4: Because whatever he had drink chants. We'd like to salute
Speaker 4: our people, like to give them their flowers while they
Speaker 4: could smell them, give them their thoughts while they can
Speaker 4: tell them they drink so they can drink them, and
Speaker 4: they thoughts when.
Speaker 3: They can think them.
Speaker 2: You understand I'm saying, So he had drink chants, we
Speaker 2: are saluting you.
Speaker 3: Steve stops everything you did in this business. Everything you
Speaker 3: did this business and we know y'all don't expect y'all.
Speaker 2: Not about Big.
Speaker 3: It's terrible. What's it's actually horrible?
Speaker 2: Now you worked a big before?
Speaker 3: What joint you work with Big?
Speaker 11: Let's see, there's a discrepancy, by the way.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get to that in a second. Let's discrepancy.
Speaker 10: We did a juicy Juicy, the original Juicy, Yes, but no,
Speaker 10: there's no.
Speaker 3: Um that was talking about talking don't worry about me,
Speaker 3: he juicy. We did the One More Chance. Now y'all
Speaker 3: had a discrepancy seeing that my good friend of our
Speaker 3: visa produced with No Weed.
Speaker 11: Say that there was a conversation.
Speaker 12: There was a conversation because I would assume that's the
Speaker 12: only time we would have talked about Juicy.
Speaker 2: No, he said one more Chance.
Speaker 3: No, I know what discrepancy he's talking about. You were
Speaker 3: talking about with.
Speaker 4: Little Seeds was on here and late Little Seed says,
Speaker 4: nis was supposed to be on Bigg's album.
Speaker 3: Is that it right?
Speaker 4: And uh, we said that now it's supposed to be
Speaker 4: on One More Chance, But he wasn't.
Speaker 3: He was supposed to be gonna give me the loop.
Speaker 8: I don't know which record he was going on okay,
Speaker 8: but when y'all started talking about One More Chance being
Speaker 8: one of the greatest records in hip hop, he didn't
Speaker 8: give track masses.
Speaker 2: We gotta put correct respect.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell y'all something. I'm gonna tell yall something.
Speaker 4: I was so honest to work with y'all, like because
Speaker 4: it was y'all and Clark can't. I gotta give Clark can't.
Speaker 4: Like I just used to write rhymes. I wouldn't. I
Speaker 4: didn't know how to count bars. I didn't know how
Speaker 4: I would write rhymes, just write hook separate. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: know how to put them ships together.
Speaker 3: And I remember going to Bisville and I remember you,
Speaker 3: just you and Polk and just pulling me.
Speaker 4: To the side and being like you got the talent.
Speaker 4: It's just fucking everywhere and you and I just appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you know the uncle Land I gotta say,
Speaker 4: like I felt like an uncle. Like when I was
Speaker 4: at Bes, like you you knew this is what it was.
Speaker 4: We was finishing an an R E album. I was
Speaker 4: all over the place. I rented Miami and went and
Speaker 4: it was your idea. He was like, Yo, Nor, I
Speaker 4: can't get you to focus in New York. You're gonna
Speaker 4: come to Beersville. They lied to me.
Speaker 2: They definitely didn't tell me what Beersville.
Speaker 3: Once, it's like, yeah, you want to go up there, motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Everything closed at five o'clock. If you don't got your phillies,
Speaker 4: you fucked up. You don't got your cigarettes, you don't
Speaker 4: got no.
Speaker 3: List that you fucked up. You remember Philly being up there? Yes?
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: Did I remember I did two records for fifty?
Speaker 3: That was RB. You don't remember that was RB.
Speaker 4: Yes, because I did the two records for fifty, and
Speaker 4: I asked you.
Speaker 3: I felt like I be and you always about the firm.
Speaker 3: You feel like I didn't give you time about you.
Speaker 3: He got casted a rest, then he got carried away,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: And I'm sitting there going like I'm putting everybody on.
Speaker 6: I'm sitting at the I'm taking the responsibility and I'm
Speaker 6: putting everything on. I got fifty out of his contract.
Speaker 6: He's with jam message. I got him out the contract,
Speaker 6: got him in, took shot money from the hood, brought
Speaker 6: shot money.
Speaker 3: In to him. The Bibel didn't go Snory Norid was
Speaker 3: in between. This ship wasn't right. This ship wasn't right, nigga,
Speaker 3: he talented. Your ship ain't right. Come up to Bearsville
Speaker 3: and these and these zis was up here. It was
Speaker 3: showing him pop and it was the producers under up
Speaker 3: and they were orchestrated. We had three rooms going to
Speaker 3: fatile fatales. That's right.
Speaker 6: And we was up there and we were getting busy
Speaker 6: making That's what the power of the dollar was made.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 15: So.
Speaker 3: And I just so I want to records on that.
Speaker 3: I'm on. I'm gonna. I forget the name of them ships.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, I came around, I felt the energy,
Speaker 4: and that's where it was where our little problem has
Speaker 4: started was because I think I called him. I said
Speaker 4: Fifty's album. I was wanting to get paid or something.
Speaker 4: He was like, I ain't paying you for no fifty record.
Speaker 4: I said, a god, I think y'all. I was saying
Speaker 4: beef with fifty at this time. And then it just
Speaker 4: all trickled down.
Speaker 3: But it's all up.
Speaker 4: We are here to date and we are having fun
Speaker 4: and we're gonna drink some of your special white wine.
Speaker 2: God damn, we don't got a call open.
Speaker 3: That's what I was like, you got a specific chankey jacket.
Speaker 7: I'll cut a jacket at that style that many jacket
Speaker 7: on too.
Speaker 3: And he came and crush all my jackets. I'm here.
Speaker 3: This is all his cases are.
Speaker 15: Yo.
Speaker 4: Man, let me tell you something, Stout. You gotta teach
Speaker 4: a class or rap class. We're gonna call it rap
Speaker 4: class where you sit down and you teach niggas. Niggas
Speaker 4: don't know code, but they don't know what's the difference
Speaker 4: between Did he just say a fifty five miller? He said,
Speaker 4: what did he saying? He said, this is a fifty five.
Speaker 3: Nobody don't know that you got a fifty fifty.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm trying to say you should.
Speaker 3: It's to be mad funny. He got me jadakiss and
Speaker 3: like a Jim Jones. And you're sitting us down and
Speaker 3: you're teaching us to wrap class.
Speaker 7: It's called rap class. And you said, this is how
Speaker 7: you drink a maryllow. Most people don't know you drink
Speaker 7: a red wine with a steak.
Speaker 3: People don't know that. They just drink with the drink
Speaker 3: and drink whatever those a This goes right with a blood?
Speaker 3: Can you open it up on the staffs. I want
Speaker 3: you to do that. So okay, Now, why isn't a Z.
Speaker 3: Why didn't a Z like be just to sig ship y'all.
Speaker 3: I just had this conversation with son about a Z
Speaker 3: easy honestly.
Speaker 14: Oh.
Speaker 3: First of all, if he was an actor, he'd be
Speaker 3: a fucking suit star because you even watch him in
Speaker 3: the in the in the interlude him, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you ever watch him in the interlude when the Biggie
Speaker 3: video in the beginning with me they rolling, they're playing for.
Speaker 6: Money and ship, they're playing with monopoly money. You know,
Speaker 6: look at a Z and that that he's he's fucking
Speaker 6: and it worked really hard, and he was all about
Speaker 6: the business.
Speaker 3: People forget.
Speaker 6: Even after the rhyme on Life's a Bitch, he delivered
Speaker 6: the rhyme again though on more money, more murder.
Speaker 3: People thought his penses fall off after that more money,
Speaker 3: more murder. His rhymes is also hot. He wanted to
Speaker 3: always make sugar hell. He just wanted to.
Speaker 6: He wanted to make commercial, commercial records. He wanted to
Speaker 6: make that type of ship. And I think he had
Speaker 6: he didn't have a great management around him, and.
Speaker 3: He just wasn't He didn't have enough talent for the
Speaker 3: for what was coming out at that time. It was
Speaker 3: it was vicious, the amount of rappers that was. I think,
Speaker 3: what do you want? He didn't.
Speaker 6: No, he had to work ethic and he had to
Speaker 6: he he was a polished person, show up, deliver, He
Speaker 6: could act, He'll play it all out.
Speaker 3: He was that type of guy.
Speaker 6: But if when you had to write the rhymes and
Speaker 6: do it over and over, he didn't give a shit
Speaker 6: about that. He showed up with NASA's on the record,
Speaker 6: but outside of that, he wouldn't write, He wouldn't do it.
Speaker 6: Listen to his music. I never felt like, no, that's
Speaker 6: your memory. Even you know, certain things.
Speaker 3: Age back like you listen to it, you think it's
Speaker 3: joking and you go back, you listen to it like,
Speaker 3: I can't believe I like this ship. Damn you ever
Speaker 3: did it? Like you fall in love and some like
Speaker 3: even if you go look at Star Wars right now,
Speaker 3: you see the streams like, there's certain things just don't
Speaker 3: age well. And you just got to be honest about that.
Speaker 3: Ass rhymes in age well outside of more money and
Speaker 3: life's a bitch, that's all. And so you never managed him?
Speaker 3: Why was that? Why didn't you?
Speaker 15: Like?
Speaker 3: He just said it. Why didn't I manage it?
Speaker 6: I because managing artists and all that ship wasn't really
Speaker 6: what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: Wife, I didn't really want to do.
Speaker 6: That wasn't the career I wanted to build myself on
Speaker 6: being a manager of artists. I just felt I just
Speaker 6: wanted to keep doing more ship, more ship, and trying ship.
Speaker 6: And my first big break came the first producer I managed.
Speaker 6: This kid he was he was a Jehovah witness.
Speaker 3: This is really funny. Listen to this excuse us Jehovah witness.
Speaker 3: And back then getting equipment was so hard to get
Speaker 3: as a producer. If you had equipment, you could basically
Speaker 3: ring your equipment out for credit. You can basically say
Speaker 3: I produced half the record if I just if you
Speaker 3: use my equipment.
Speaker 6: That's how scarce equipment was. And Herbie Lovebug was jerking
Speaker 6: everybody up.
Speaker 3: He was a thief, thief.
Speaker 6: This kid, this kid, I don't beat this kid that
Speaker 6: where has introduced me to And the guy his name
Speaker 6: is Steve Kinton. You'll never hear his name again, probably,
Speaker 6: but Steve kit he's a Jehovah witness. He's producing records
Speaker 6: for Salt and Pepper and he's not taking credit, but.
Speaker 3: He's getting fined magic every guy, these guys on lot.
Speaker 3: So anyhow, the kid does all this shit. So I
Speaker 3: meet him, I'm like, and it's similar the same shit
Speaker 3: I met you to him. I meet the kid and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, man, you don't have to even fuck
Speaker 3: with these guys.
Speaker 6: I'll buy you the equipment. I was doing real estate
Speaker 6: at the time I bought the kid. I went to
Speaker 6: sam Ash bought the you know all the rolling ship
Speaker 6: and it was like a Christmas list. He gave me
Speaker 6: the shit he really wanted. He made up extra shit.
Speaker 6: I bought it for him and we started producing. And
Speaker 6: the first thing we did was the theme song for
Speaker 6: the Martin Lawn show, The Friend That Martin. We took
Speaker 6: that from the deaf comedy jams Us Kicking Pree the
Speaker 6: Martin launch the theme song I Do Martin Martin to
Speaker 6: sleep morning.
Speaker 3: When I was ros right, yeah, when I was the roadie,
Speaker 3: Morton Lawrence was the opening eye get the fun. I
Speaker 3: knew Martin Lawrence like the guy that was just like
Speaker 3: the like he was just the regular dude, Like we
Speaker 3: were right there. And when he blew up and got
Speaker 3: a show, and he's like stop. He helped me out.
Speaker 6: I said, I can make the theme music for you.
Speaker 6: I got the kid Steve to do it. He made
Speaker 6: that and he got the publishing off for that. He's
Speaker 6: still eating and he's a full Jehovah witness. I have
Speaker 6: not heard from him, but back then he was afraid did.
Speaker 3: Jehovah Witness thing. I'm not gonna bring that in because
Speaker 3: he was afraid to take credit for music because it
Speaker 3: was against his religion.
Speaker 4: Okay, now, earlier, you just said you described the video
Speaker 4: with the Jay I think that was the jay Z video.
Speaker 3: We said it was a jay Z video with Big
Speaker 3: and now what's that the beginning of Nas and the whole.
Speaker 4: Dispute because of that because they were saying that it
Speaker 4: was dead President's I believe, yeah, it wasn't that.
Speaker 3: Now the rumor is that it was Jay wanted Nas
Speaker 3: to come to the video.
Speaker 6: I don't know Jay and Nas knew each other before
Speaker 6: I knew either of them, So I don't know what
Speaker 6: the beginning of that beef was, but it was definitely
Speaker 6: just in New York City.
Speaker 3: It was just like who's the best rapper? You know?
Speaker 3: And like that's the beginning of that beef us. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess it was just normal young anyway. You gotta
Speaker 3: remember that niggas are twenty five years old? Is it
Speaker 3: twenty five years old?
Speaker 6: With millions of dollars and really millions of dollars and
Speaker 6: really twenty five years old?
Speaker 3: Correct? And like so that's the perfect concoction for stupid shit,
Speaker 3: a lot of money and young. It's mancho shit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so the macho ship led to a bunch of
Speaker 6: dumb ship which led to a bunch of beefs.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't any None of it was really real.
Speaker 6: Except those guys have the greatest respect for one another,
Speaker 6: I mean the greatest.
Speaker 4: That's one of the things that did age well, like
Speaker 4: you just said you just mentioned earlier, like a lot
Speaker 4: of things don't age well.
Speaker 3: That's something.
Speaker 4: For a perfectly like I look at that big but
Speaker 4: back then, let's just subscribe back then, like back then,
Speaker 4: Takeover comes Out?
Speaker 3: Are you worried you're a guy who's been in career.
Speaker 4: Both of you guys have been in no career at
Speaker 4: least since his second album.
Speaker 3: I need to tell them keep it real. Takeover comes Out.
Speaker 6: You got to put yourself right in this specific situation.
Speaker 6: Where were you or now is the time? At the time,
Speaker 6: the whole thing and.
Speaker 2: To coad sign the story.
Speaker 4: There's a different Ether out there, like before Ether became Ether,
Speaker 4: there was another another record.
Speaker 3: Ye, another version, there was another version. I have heard
Speaker 3: about this. I heard it. I was I was in
Speaker 3: student one day. I was like, Holy it was a
Speaker 3: little worse. No it wasn't. I don't different record. I
Speaker 3: remember the whole but go ahead.
Speaker 11: I was worried after Nights was dumb Rich.
Speaker 3: Tell me when we're not clean, bro, we got you. Okay,
Speaker 3: you thought Nins was done from Takeover? Did really?
Speaker 2: It was only one shot at NINS if you think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: He just said, tell Nis, you know I've seen him
Speaker 3: performing that. That's no. That was no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: He put the third verse on that thing on takeover
Speaker 3: or you think it's super ugly. No, okay. He first
Speaker 3: said the first thing where he said he did that
Speaker 3: summer didn't want to hold right, and then he did
Speaker 3: the freestyle he said he went through bees first left freestyle.
Speaker 4: You would douce that freestyle too, right, I think that
Speaker 4: was I think so, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Did not then Jay does takeover? I think status wanted
Speaker 2: to be say correct.
Speaker 3: So you said I was wearing he was wearing Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8: I seen him before the record and he gets to
Speaker 8: the part of where he goes, who's the best some
Speaker 8: see Biggie jay Z and then he goes nah nah
Speaker 8: and then Takeover comes in and I watched the crowd.
Speaker 11: I was like, this ship is a problem.
Speaker 3: Wow. So yeah, I was nervous for NAS.
Speaker 11: I was nervous for NAS.
Speaker 3: And how about you, Stole? Was you nervous? Nervous is
Speaker 3: an understanding? J J and I became friends. We became
Speaker 3: really friendly, uh around that time before that, and.
Speaker 6: Jay's a very secretive dude, and he had never told
Speaker 6: me that he was doing that or any of that
Speaker 6: kind of ship.
Speaker 3: So I kind of felt betrayed. I, Alice, felt like
Speaker 3: it was all ployed.
Speaker 6: Just to like there wasn't really a friendship. Actually that's
Speaker 6: what I felt like. You did like you and I
Speaker 6: thought I was a friendship them. I'm like, this ain't
Speaker 6: no real friendship and you're gonna just shop on this guy.
Speaker 6: You're not gonna tell me. And I got the Hammerstein
Speaker 6: Ballroom and he performed it and I'm in the raptors.
Speaker 6: The Hamisteen Ballroom is like a fitter and ship and
Speaker 6: it has like those like opera fucking balconies. And I
Speaker 6: thought the ship was going to snap and break. That's
Speaker 6: how crazy it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that was young Kanye West on the beat, right,
Speaker 3: And I totally forgot Kanye Kanye produced to take over. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he forgot that. Yeah, So that was young Kanye on
Speaker 3: the beat. And I was nervous.
Speaker 6: I thought NAS's career was over and and and Nas
Speaker 6: was really in no position to the way he was
Speaker 6: carrying himself the way he was.
Speaker 3: He wasn't taking it as seriously he was. He was
Speaker 3: a lot of shit.
Speaker 6: He was dealing with man, his baby mom ship, just
Speaker 6: a lot of ship man. You know, Naas takes care
Speaker 6: of a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And then he didn't.
Speaker 4: And actually back then, because it wasn't people thought it
Speaker 4: was over. It was that his response was kind of slow, right, I.
Speaker 3: Think it was like three months Kay's Steve style. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So what happened was this, I'm gonna take some of
Speaker 3: else to rison. We made the he's rigging that coach.
Speaker 3: So what happened was taking time with that. Okay, stop
Speaker 3: shot me whole one stop, let me know if I got.
Speaker 2: Let me know if I got a little bit like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Perfect, And then.
Speaker 3: And then the old did too much. That's like one
Speaker 3: he supposed to be like grand class. You go more
Speaker 3: into shows right now? Ahead?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, the takeover is out.
Speaker 3: Now you to this story. Yeah, everybody said, please, I
Speaker 3: just want to make sure everybody's into it. Everybody's into it.
Speaker 2: And they told used to have a light crowd, usually
Speaker 2: have more people.
Speaker 4: We told them to lack of crowd because you said
Speaker 4: you have something important to say when we're gonna about
Speaker 4: what else?
Speaker 3: But we keep so anyhow, okay, So so the whole
Speaker 3: ship's like a fucking mess. And I don't know that
Speaker 3: part of it.
Speaker 6: But I had that beat. That was the first beat
Speaker 6: that I had that I gave Nous the beef of Ether.
Speaker 6: I took the beat. I gave it to Nows on
Speaker 6: the album first, not for eth, just to make a record.
Speaker 6: I forgot what this ship reminded me of. It reminded
Speaker 6: me of something, and I'm like, yo, this ship right
Speaker 6: here and nas he didn't like the ship, so him
Speaker 6: and I we went We went through a really tough time.
Speaker 6: That was a really that was the lowest point of
Speaker 6: our relationship during that period of time.
Speaker 3: Beating nows and I we we we weren't speaking. I
Speaker 3: was executive producing that album.
Speaker 2: And you're saying in between after takeover, takeover happens, take
Speaker 2: over to.
Speaker 6: Eth I'm not speaking. Yeah, I'm not speaking to us.
Speaker 6: We're not we're working together. But like you know, like
Speaker 6: a bad man very distance, you come, we come home.
Speaker 3: And when you say the first bing you gave him
Speaker 3: literally like you that you say, I think this when
Speaker 3: I when I when I when I make.
Speaker 6: Music, when I work with artists, I get involved in
Speaker 6: every aspect of how you injured versus how to fucking chorus,
Speaker 6: ship the beats, the whole program.
Speaker 2: So you're like, damn near production.
Speaker 3: I just never took hit a producers, mad. I get
Speaker 3: what I do.
Speaker 6: He gets credit for what he does. You know, I
Speaker 6: just have a point of view, right, So, and I
Speaker 6: gave it to him, and he he didn't funk with it.
Speaker 6: Ninety sweat to him for months and he worked on
Speaker 6: the album.
Speaker 3: He made that album. I forgot the name of the
Speaker 3: album God's Son, though, No, I think that's that's not
Speaker 3: hip hop it still matter still. I was just saying
Speaker 3: the woman with the bird the peon still still believe.
Speaker 3: So we're not working on this ship together.
Speaker 6: And like he calls me and the album is about
Speaker 6: to go to mastering, and I go to the studio
Speaker 6: and he plays me ether it's like two in the
Speaker 6: morning and he uses that beat.
Speaker 3: Now we weren't even speaking.
Speaker 6: So the fact that he even called me to the
Speaker 6: studio the night before mastering was because he wanted me
Speaker 6: to hear, like, did I go too far? As this
Speaker 6: fucked up? And I get there two in the morning
Speaker 6: and Jungle is on some foxed out you know, fuck
Speaker 6: that yo stop, fuck yo, no no, and I'm listening
Speaker 6: to this ship and I'm like, I take off, Michael,
Speaker 6: We're staying here all night.
Speaker 3: We got to fix this. This is a mess. This
Speaker 3: is a mess.
Speaker 6: If this ship comes out, your career is over. And
Speaker 6: he made the record, but there was a version. There
Speaker 6: was a different version of it with the same beat
Speaker 6: that was terrible.
Speaker 3: Thank you for hitting the AC but then it was
Speaker 3: a beat. It was terrible. It was horrible and like
Speaker 3: and like and you know it was it was the
Speaker 3: proper response for what he was in I mean, that's
Speaker 3: a heavyweight man.
Speaker 6: By the way, when you see Nas and Jay together,
Speaker 6: it's like looking at Ali and Fraser. It's like two
Speaker 6: guys like we were coaching each other in together fucking
Speaker 6: face because hard as we can, and we were respecting how.
Speaker 3: Much we could take the punches to the face. That's
Speaker 3: what they did. You never seen no ship like that.
Speaker 3: This wasn't no l O CUJ battling Kumo D after
Speaker 3: the Kumo D was already on the way out and
Speaker 3: this this is this is happening. This is happening at
Speaker 3: the right time, and.
Speaker 6: Like and somebody's gonna lose and somebody's gonna win, and
Speaker 6: that's what's gonna happen. And the fact that they did
Speaker 6: that and nobody got shot and nobody got stabbed, that's
Speaker 6: what we should be fucking bigg en up right now.
Speaker 4: Because what it wants to I think both of them,
Speaker 4: I think that was both of their best time of
Speaker 4: leadership because they were actually saying that to their cruise
Speaker 4: like yo, this is like this is on the record,
Speaker 4: like they were actually saying that, Like you know, I
Speaker 4: remember Jay had to their freestyle on with the everybody
Speaker 4: on Hot ninety seven. And he went up there and
Speaker 4: me rhymes with I think that's when he first got
Speaker 4: his Phillies boys and Nina's.
Speaker 3: Had called me and was like, Yo, we're gonna do
Speaker 3: the same thing. We're gonna go off there and do it.
Speaker 3: And from the beginning, when Nas called me, I said,
Speaker 3: do we need bail money? He said, hold up, y'all,
Speaker 3: it's not that type of party. We just gonna go
Speaker 3: on rhyme against them.
Speaker 4: And I knew that, and that was that was a
Speaker 4: boss move as a leader, was to let people know like, look,
Speaker 4: look we're gonna dispute them and we're gonna do whatever
Speaker 4: we gotta do.
Speaker 2: But this, you know, we're gonna keep it, keep it
Speaker 2: hip hop.
Speaker 3: And I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that part of hip hop.
Speaker 3: I still enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: So now in between that part, you guys are worried.
Speaker 4: Now Ether finally is put together the way you want it,
Speaker 4: it drops.
Speaker 3: How proud are you of that moment that when the.
Speaker 4: Whole world started doubting them, he dropped that one and
Speaker 4: Ether was strong enough that even when Hove responded, he
Speaker 4: didn't have to respond. That's how strong that one record was.
Speaker 4: See a lot of people don't know, don't say that,
Speaker 4: like hole, it's two to one. So when you compare
Speaker 4: a Hope and Na's battle, it's like Hope actually has
Speaker 4: two records.
Speaker 3: Too, you know the freestyle, but that was like that's
Speaker 3: that that was how super Ugly came.
Speaker 2: Off super Ugly.
Speaker 4: The reason why I think super Ugly isn't a classic
Speaker 4: is because you actually got a person that you've never
Speaker 4: seen emotional be a little emotional. That's why I think
Speaker 4: people didn't receive that.
Speaker 3: Reason was one of those records, man.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. When it was one of
Speaker 3: those records with like that starts to happen and get
Speaker 3: you off your things, That's that's when you watching nigga
Speaker 3: hit you in the face and throws you off your
Speaker 3: start changing.
Speaker 2: You just started doing strategy.
Speaker 6: But the most important part of what this is about
Speaker 6: in this topic, we can go inside of the knives
Speaker 6: ether Jay, this, that and the third the fact that
Speaker 6: those guys it wasn't they put their money on the line.
Speaker 6: You see back then, if you get when you lost,
Speaker 6: what you really was betting was your career.
Speaker 3: You weren't betting a million dollars. You were betting your
Speaker 3: entire earning potential. Like with l al Bad cannabis, Cannabis
Speaker 3: was gone, Yeah, it was gone. Yeah, guys, the loser
Speaker 3: is done. This is scary.
Speaker 6: The loser is done. And so when they did that,
Speaker 6: that's what they were playing for. And the fact that
Speaker 6: they never turned it into anything else, and.
Speaker 3: They both came out smelling like roses instead of ship
Speaker 3: better better people.
Speaker 2: And that's and and he grew after that together.
Speaker 3: They actually you got to say, by.
Speaker 6: The way, when you anytime I'm around both of them together,
Speaker 6: it's like I don't even listen to anything.
Speaker 3: All I do is shut the fuck up and let
Speaker 3: them niggas talk and and and and and.
Speaker 6: Feel so fortunate that I'm around two of the greatest
Speaker 6: writers that ever walked the face of this earth.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel. Now, how intricate was you?
Speaker 4: And like the squashing of that, like now you got
Speaker 4: business with both they both just went out of.
Speaker 2: Each other horribly, and then they both grown men.
Speaker 3: You know what, I wasn't involved, get the you know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't squashed. I was involved, because I don't mean
Speaker 3: I was squashed, but but not that one because I
Speaker 3: felt like old was always shotting you out to like
Speaker 3: kind of like like like elbow.
Speaker 4: Now it's a little bit like stop all at me, man,
Speaker 4: like I'm fucking with your your your boss, like I'm
Speaker 4: fucking with.
Speaker 3: Your top guy.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 3: I's talking about being Damien never got along. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get into that too. I don't know a guy like
Speaker 3: I got good.
Speaker 2: I got so good. I didn't know where to go
Speaker 2: with that't know where you wanted to go with that.
Speaker 4: I think why you and Dave never got But I
Speaker 4: just said that's what I thought because Jay was hying
Speaker 4: you out.
Speaker 6: I think because of that, I think that you know,
Speaker 6: he was the smart guy. He was the smart guy
Speaker 6: at that time.
Speaker 3: In my opinion. And this is I can't speak for Dame,
Speaker 3: but I think that's I think we had him on drink.
Speaker 3: Of course we had.
Speaker 4: I don't know we had him on drink chance, But
Speaker 4: I think he always says that like it was le
Speaker 4: or and I believe it's your name came up.
Speaker 3: I don't think he did. Okay, he wouldn't see me. Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe he said that to me. He was a smart
Speaker 3: guy at the time in Damon.
Speaker 6: I spoke to Demon three weeks ago and I told him,
Speaker 6: I said, Damon, I finally now understood.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, you spoke to him three weeks ago. Recently,
Speaker 3: you said, three weeks ago from what today? Yeah?
Speaker 6: And I call him and tell him, Man, I got
Speaker 6: to tell you that I really do understand everything you
Speaker 6: stood for and everything you fought for.
Speaker 3: Like and if you look at it again, young and money,
Speaker 3: bad concoction. Right.
Speaker 6: Damon knew artist should be independent. Damon knew artists should
Speaker 6: own their rights. Damon knew he was fighting for all
Speaker 6: of that stuff. Damon actually knew how international.
Speaker 3: The art, the art of it was.
Speaker 6: He knew everything. He knew everything, and he knew who
Speaker 6: to fight for it. The problem was he knew it,
Speaker 6: but the way he handled it. He could articulated, but
Speaker 6: the way he handled it to make it a business
Speaker 6: was just disgusting, right, But he wasn't. He his theory
Speaker 6: was correct, the way he handled it was wrong.
Speaker 3: And I told him that, and he's like, it.
Speaker 6: Took you long enough, And I'm like, you fucking can't
Speaker 6: even just say thanks, But you know, I mean, that's
Speaker 6: naming and that's cool, and I respect.
Speaker 2: And I respect wait, wait, wait talking about he said,
Speaker 2: that's what he said?
Speaker 6: Oh man, I was you know, for me, I was
Speaker 6: just like the one thing I've always pride myself on.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things I am. I'm fucking smart.
Speaker 3: I knew the ship. I know the ship called, I
Speaker 3: know the business call, I know the artists, the music this.
Speaker 6: I could see the ship before it happens, and like
Speaker 6: I knew what he was trying to do and where
Speaker 6: me and Jay became friends.
Speaker 3: It was almost like what I would say to him
Speaker 3: or the way I would package the information. It felt
Speaker 3: like we were going forward.
Speaker 6: It didn't feel like all these niggas, these niggas, It
Speaker 6: didn't feel belligerate. We were actually coming up with ideas
Speaker 6: and thoughts that was gonna move forward.
Speaker 3: Not just ship on people to get there. Right, there's
Speaker 3: a way to move forward. You can shoot on people
Speaker 3: to move forward, or you could do it in a
Speaker 3: charismatic way. And I felt like the way I was
Speaker 3: doing it, or maybe the way I.
Speaker 6: Was doing it was more charismatic, much more advanced as
Speaker 6: far as moving forward.
Speaker 4: Now, have you ever produced a record for an artist
Speaker 4: where artist just another artist and you had to feel
Speaker 4: awkward about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 11: So, I mean LL and Cannabis was really it was wait,
Speaker 11: wait you produce that L record? Yeah, I mean we
Speaker 11: got back LL. Cannabis had yo, I need some fun
Speaker 11: in water water.
Speaker 2: N Yeah, yeah, give business water we got, We got
Speaker 2: waters all over.
Speaker 3: To the studio. Cannabis has has diverse. It was a
Speaker 3: dope verse. But you would douce cannabis shit too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you wait, you produce both. It's like Sam.
Speaker 2: Ship right there.
Speaker 3: That's like you you wore both. Fight is out to
Speaker 3: the wing and you said, I'm leaving with the winner.
Speaker 8: It was just on came the fourth three to one
Speaker 8: joint when Cannabis said the crime wow, and then l
Speaker 8: A went into to spit after he heard Cannabis and
Speaker 8: he chased and he chased his run.
Speaker 3: I felt a little weird about that wow, because L
Speaker 3: wanted to think, because like, you're.
Speaker 4: Going at a guy who's not even here. The records
Speaker 4: fearness we had L on hand El said he thought
Speaker 4: Cannabis Philly went at him on that record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, yeah, listen, just looking for me for that.
Speaker 3: By the way, you know what I looked at the
Speaker 3: L interview. I think that guy, and I love that guy.
Speaker 3: That guy is my favorite rap of all time. When
Speaker 3: I grew up go for it. Yes, I'd seen that.
Speaker 6: Guy at block parties. I seen love battle guys and balls.
Speaker 6: I love grew up as a battle rocker up. And
Speaker 6: he's just so fucking competitive that he never he I
Speaker 6: mean he had no one. I mean we we we
Speaker 6: we do the fucking record Who Shot You? And he
Speaker 6: shipped so fox female rappers too. I don't get him
Speaker 6: on seventeen Yeah, why don't you do that? He just
Speaker 6: can't control himself.
Speaker 3: I never knew that l's dope but rap all time.
Speaker 6: I love all that ship, the A to B, t C,
Speaker 6: the D How was that niggas Don's walk?
Speaker 3: I was into the autums, shame the A to B.
Speaker 3: You don't remember that? You remember it was like the
Speaker 3: intro of one of his albums. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was walking with a panther. I love walking with
Speaker 3: a panther. Okay, I love all but he just be
Speaker 3: so competitive for niggas for no reason. And maybe cannabis.
Speaker 3: He could have pulled cannabis to the side.
Speaker 2: He gave you some old he definitely could have. Everybody understands.
Speaker 4: That's something the artist ship though, Like as a d
Speaker 4: j R, are you competitive with other DJs when you.
Speaker 3: Go of course that's the same thing. Okay, so some
Speaker 3: now described that for me as a DJ, like what
Speaker 3: DJ comes on first?
Speaker 2: And then I mean it just depends.
Speaker 12: Yeah, depends on the platform if it's a club DJ,
Speaker 12: the battle DJ, whatever it is.
Speaker 15: But yeah, you don't, you don't want certainly got what
Speaker 15: he went on. He played record, and then you get
Speaker 15: mad the records he played. He's your opener, and he
Speaker 15: played some records. You're like, what the fun is he doing?
Speaker 2: You can't play the hot record? And you gotta relax.
Speaker 2: You gotta relya RelA. Now to him, what's the best.
Speaker 3: Ever hip hop? Brother?
Speaker 11: Nineties hip hop?
Speaker 2: Man, you're gonna go for the whole ship shifted the
Speaker 2: whole day.
Speaker 11: I'll go from again.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like the mid early mid to like
Speaker 2: ninety seven was like.
Speaker 3: How the best decade?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he said, which is the best era?
Speaker 2: He said, I don't think.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was ever a great decade. The
Speaker 6: whole decade did ever made it? There's a reason why
Speaker 6: the decade never makes it. You want to hear it yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: as soon as it gets hot. If you listen to
Speaker 6: eighty eight is.
Speaker 3: The best here for hip hop. By five is listening
Speaker 3: to every two Run d Run DMC. I forget No.
Speaker 3: That was the Run DMC album that was.
Speaker 6: That was their comeback album in eighty eight, actually republican
Speaker 6: name of Easy n W An Easy the same Yeah
Speaker 6: and Karros Won eight.
Speaker 3: It's eighteen albums that came out that year. That is
Speaker 3: just this EPMD launched the whole just the shit. But
Speaker 3: it feels like the late eighties set up the early night.
Speaker 6: What happened was then after that happens the way the
Speaker 6: business was at the time, like anything else. These guys
Speaker 6: are all either on independent labels, co Chilling Records, Select Records,
Speaker 6: It's that and the Third and Profile Records, and they
Speaker 6: blow up.
Speaker 3: So what happens after that? The majors don't know who
Speaker 3: to sign.
Speaker 6: They just signed a bunch of dudes who rap and
Speaker 6: give them some bullshit story. So then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: the truth gets warded down by the bullshit. So eighty
Speaker 6: seven eighty eight, when everybody was scrambling to get on,
Speaker 6: you have to be nice at shit. That shit works.
Speaker 6: Irby and rock Canam eighty eight. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: what happens is the money comes in and fucks it
Speaker 6: up like this bullshit like this area where you're up
Speaker 6: right now, this is dope right now, all.
Speaker 3: Artists is here. In ten years from now, five years
Speaker 3: from now, it's not gonna be like that. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be fucked out. The artist is gonna go somewhere else.
Speaker 3: That's you know, this is this is like what is this?
Speaker 15: Like?
Speaker 3: This is used to be the hood used to be.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 6: That's what happens to get the great ship. That's a hood.
Speaker 6: Eighty eight hip hop is the hood. He's doing whatever, they're.
Speaker 2: Not even doing it for money, right Like this area
Speaker 2: is a perfect example.
Speaker 3: That's what all the hip hop parties were in Miami.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, the money comes in
Speaker 6: and then somebody decides to put a man or an
Speaker 6: oriental next.
Speaker 3: Stop exactly right right right. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the artists have to move out.
Speaker 6: That's what happened in rap music, and every decade something
Speaker 6: happens and all of a sudden, So when it was
Speaker 6: eighty eight.
Speaker 3: That happens, and you got the early nineties. That was awesome.
Speaker 3: You got Wu Tan, you got Biggie, you got Nas,
Speaker 3: you got Jay and then all.
Speaker 6: Of a sudden, the money comes in and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden got I can shit on a thousand guys
Speaker 6: right now that all of a sudden got record deals
Speaker 6: and opportunities, not because they were talented, because they were rappers,
Speaker 6: and it sounded like this, and everybody was looking for
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, when you got to look
Speaker 6: at errors. So if you look at eighty seven and
Speaker 6: eighty nine, let's call out an error. You got to
Speaker 6: break it down in three years. I wouldn't break it
Speaker 6: ten years. I'd make it three years because you know,
Speaker 6: three years for this neighborhood to work it. And then
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, the money comes in and fucks
Speaker 6: the neighborhood up. Eighty seven and eighty nine, ninety two
Speaker 6: to ninety six.
Speaker 3: Yep and go and moves in blocks like that doesn't
Speaker 3: move in ten year increments. I see that. That's all now.
Speaker 3: You was the guy that to bring rough riders the
Speaker 3: ender scope. Correct, that was you single handed Lee, But
Speaker 3: you didn't have Dmax.
Speaker 4: No, was that hard to do that because although Rough
Speaker 4: Riders was looked at as a great company, but X was.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm a I'm a marketing branding guy. What I
Speaker 3: seen was the awe. I seen the awe.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I seen that all and they had motherfucker's
Speaker 6: riding on motorcycles.
Speaker 3: Standing up there and I never see I was like,
Speaker 3: this is it.
Speaker 6: DMX is the beginning of a lot of ship so
Speaker 6: I want to and D is amazing. D we just
Speaker 6: had the young Swiss, Swiss me and Swiss is site
Speaker 6: like those guys are just talented as motherfucker and like
Speaker 6: I have actually i've met DMX in the last five years.
Speaker 6: Back then, I never met DMX, but I was understated
Speaker 6: in d Law Swiss the sound and the logo, the yeah,
Speaker 6: I knew that brand was the business.
Speaker 3: Wow, And you knew that was a marketing guy behind that.
Speaker 3: That's what you're saying.
Speaker 4: You knew it was like you knew that was like orchestrated,
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't just like they just filmed.
Speaker 3: It and it was just art.
Speaker 2: Like you knew that.
Speaker 6: You know, anybody you've seen those videos with of course
Speaker 6: it's the best shit in the world. This guy's riding
Speaker 6: and hip hop on motorcycles up the West Side Highway.
Speaker 3: Standing when see with no hands going one hundred crazy?
Speaker 3: Who the fuck does that grat? You know what, it's hot,
Speaker 3: but it's also the jacket fly though you had a choice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you keep looking, you know that's cool.
Speaker 4: So now that that was like that was like the
Speaker 4: year of the Black ceo. Like that it was a
Speaker 4: great time for the black ceo. They had people like
Speaker 4: Dame Dash and power. They had people like Steve Style
Speaker 4: in power. Uh I believe even it wasn't your executive
Speaker 4: that Sony. Yeah, I was up at Sony at the time.
Speaker 4: Who else a Mark picture? I said him earlier, I'll
Speaker 4: say him again. A bigger month, all these black CEOs
Speaker 4: that power. We are seeing less and less black CEOs.
Speaker 4: You don't have a Darren, I don't think so. I
Speaker 4: mean music business. Okay, put me on Style because you
Speaker 4: know I like his wine.
Speaker 6: A lot of black executives time. I think with Coach
Speaker 6: K is doing in Atlanta's.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous Coach K. That is migos in.
Speaker 3: Themos in Atlanta, Young, there's some other kids. This is
Speaker 3: Coach K and Coach Tech. Remember we go about tack
Speaker 3: tech both both of them. All right, let's not get
Speaker 3: but I'm talking about Coach K. Coach K one is
Speaker 3: teddy boy. One of them is with titty board. That's
Speaker 3: just time. Look right now, let's go.
Speaker 2: Boy change and got to go with him. You got
Speaker 2: James coach tech us with to Chames.
Speaker 12: Coach K is top dog definitely big up top doing
Speaker 12: those my people top.
Speaker 3: Then you got my man. He's not he's he's not black,
Speaker 3: but he might as well be black. Gazi Ghzi, Yes,
Speaker 3: Empire he black to me, he black latinos at the top.
Speaker 3: Now what the funk are we doing? Man? Let's talking
Speaker 3: about stuff on blocks too much? Everybody went over, everybody
Speaker 3: went over up, let's go question.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I got, I am loaded, listen, so
Speaker 4: stop running like running through the error of man?
Speaker 3: Was there ever?
Speaker 4: Like because the people always wanted to know this like
Speaker 4: it was like I said earlier, I alluded to.
Speaker 16: This, all to this, always wanted to know this because
Speaker 16: it was like it was what you rising like, was
Speaker 16: it underground like management beef at that time, you and
Speaker 16: Chris because it just seemed like like I said, I said,
Speaker 16: I alluded to it earlier.
Speaker 4: I was like if you were getting money at a
Speaker 4: certain period, it was either with Chris or you was
Speaker 4: with Steve, like straight up, like I'm talking about at
Speaker 4: that one period, you know the period I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Was there ever, like Brothers? Was it Chris Well? I mean,
Speaker 3: how do you talk about this? The the man passed
Speaker 3: A tough conversation because it's easy for me to just say,
Speaker 3: you know, you know Chris did is staying? You know,
Speaker 3: Chris was Chris was a very special, talented dude. Man.
Speaker 3: It was for me when I first came up. I
Speaker 3: looked up to him, and then I became his pet
Speaker 3: that I passed him, and it was I had to
Speaker 3: deal with that. He had to deal with that. But
Speaker 3: it never but again back to what I said earlier,
Speaker 3: it never changed my respect for him. Chris tried to
Speaker 3: manage him.
Speaker 6: Tried to take him from me, tried to do it
Speaker 6: all kind of crazy ship while I was man. But
Speaker 6: I always held on to the fact that I looked
Speaker 6: up to him as a man who broke through in
Speaker 6: the business.
Speaker 3: And everything that he did, and he taught me a lot.
Speaker 3: So there was never a beef with me. Somebody else
Speaker 3: would have took it as a beef. I never took
Speaker 3: it as a beef because I had so much respect
Speaker 3: for him that I let him get away with passes.
Speaker 6: You give people passes if you respect somebody, Like if
Speaker 6: you're a friend with somebody you love them, you give
Speaker 6: him passes. You can't hold them accountable. The same way
Speaker 6: it's somebody you don't really fuck with. The person you
Speaker 6: fuck with got one shot to fuck you. Person you
Speaker 6: love can do it over and over again. You find
Speaker 6: a way to make it work. And that was our relationship,
Speaker 6: and that's what I'm doing now, Like, no, you can't.
Speaker 6: You just always have a level of respect for him,
Speaker 6: and I have respect for him. Mona Scott. I love
Speaker 6: Mona Scott. Like everything that those guys were.
Speaker 3: Doing to me, I take it.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. I wouldn't be here today. So it
Speaker 6: was never really a beef. It could have been a beef,
Speaker 6: but there was nothing.
Speaker 3: There was nothing. Betiful thing. Now you're on puff, y'all
Speaker 3: are like cooler now.
Speaker 2: Like y'all had an incident.
Speaker 3: What was it? Over?
Speaker 6: It was an over puff on the cross what happened?
Speaker 6: So yeah, So I was going back to the thing. Man,
Speaker 6: I told Ndy Santiago.
Speaker 3: This the other day. Okay, he's my fake cousin in
Speaker 3: the industry. You know my Santiago as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lennias, we always claimed each other as fake cousins
Speaker 4: because our.
Speaker 2: Last names of Santiago.
Speaker 3: Weird. It's very weird.
Speaker 2: We always You guys are still doing that, you guys, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: go for it.
Speaker 4: It's a fact that Steve dude think you think I
Speaker 4: gotta stop this immediately. I'm taking your advice from this
Speaker 4: day on, boy, but I do call him my fake cousin.
Speaker 3: It's not like we say word cousins. But go ahead.
Speaker 3: It's a problem. So the the.
Speaker 6: Fucking j comes out in the Hard Knock Life, I'm
Speaker 6: fucking pissed, fucking how the fuck can.
Speaker 3: We get this? These motherfucker's got a record. This ship
Speaker 3: is so big. Who produces hard Knock Why don't tell me,
Speaker 3: I don't know who. Forty five King Rich Well Hold
Speaker 3: Jay first heard the sample from forty from kick a
Speaker 3: Prie and then heard the ship and forty five King
Speaker 3: produced it.
Speaker 6: So they heard the snippet of the loop of the
Speaker 6: anti record, then forty five King produced him. So now
Speaker 6: just take it inside of the minus young Steve style.
Speaker 6: What I'm are gonna do.
Speaker 3: I can't sleep. There's no where I can see if
Speaker 3: this guy has a hit record, and what are we
Speaker 3: gonna do? And I went out and I found I
Speaker 3: heard hate Me Now was pretty Boy on the Pretty
Speaker 3: Boys on the record, told this is what.
Speaker 11: The niggas.
Speaker 3: He's like, you know what, Steve is taking this thing way.
Speaker 6: Too since they checked out of this part of the process.
Speaker 6: Like you going, I'm finding the record. I don't give
Speaker 6: a fuck if it comes from him whoever. I'm finding
Speaker 6: the record. I gotta beat hard, knock life, period, fuck everything.
Speaker 6: I go find the record. Fox, he plays me the record,
Speaker 6: doesn't even give a fuck about it, like this.
Speaker 3: Is is stupid. She said that Derek Angelotti produced it.
Speaker 6: I called dit out. I'm like, Derek, you produce a
Speaker 6: song called hate Me Now, pretty boy on it? How
Speaker 6: could you not even play that? Finds because back then
Speaker 6: you can call producers like you have the right to
Speaker 6: get the first hot beat. Of course, especially He's like,
Speaker 6: I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Fox. He made that up, didn't He shocked me? Wait
Speaker 3: what she said that Derek produced it. Derek didn't produce it.
Speaker 3: She was trying to make the record like like it
Speaker 3: was a it was a great song, but in order
Speaker 3: to make it to market it like, oh, we got
Speaker 3: beats from Derek Angeletti me or I wasn't Derek.
Speaker 6: Angeletti, as I find out when I called Derk. So
Speaker 6: then I call her brother. I call pretty boy. I'm
Speaker 6: in the studio, I said, pretty boy, Gavin.
Speaker 3: I didn't call him pretty boy? You didn't, so I said, I.
Speaker 6: Said, Gavin, you gotta come to the studio. He comes
Speaker 6: to the studio and I play him the rough.
Speaker 3: I'm like, who did that? He goes I did? I said,
Speaker 3: you produce this? He said yep.
Speaker 6: I said, go get me the master's right now. I
Speaker 6: want them shits tonight. I buy him from I want
Speaker 6: I want that record that song. He said to me,
Speaker 6: I'll give it to you. I need a set.
Speaker 3: I said, what the fuck is the set?
Speaker 2: I still don't know what I said?
Speaker 3: Is? He said, I matching chain, embrace them. I said,
Speaker 3: I got you with the set.
Speaker 6: I can't do it right now, but go. It's it's
Speaker 6: cold as fuck, it's the winter. I said, go get
Speaker 6: the ship. He starts to leave. I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: give me your mink. I took his mink coat, left
Speaker 6: the mink and I said, leave your mink in the snow.
Speaker 6: He got to you and you come back.
Speaker 3: Can't wear it style. Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: It's not getting no not weird, is you know?
Speaker 3: It's not weird, it's just different.
Speaker 17: Let's go.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to get the song. He took
Speaker 3: his coat, and because.
Speaker 9: I don't think he's gonna come back, I just feel
Speaker 9: like it's mad cold at this time.
Speaker 3: I don't know this cold. I'm not taking ship.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, it's forty one little outside. You let
Speaker 2: him beat her the T shirt.
Speaker 3: This was drink chin.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did he wants to ride on away watching I'm
Speaker 1: he doesn't.
Speaker 6: Just that he.
Speaker 3: About to get shat good good. Now he comes back,
Speaker 3: he comes back with the record. Big up, Gavin. He
Speaker 3: comes back with the song, and now's it. He was
Speaker 3: trying to sound like puffing Mass.
Speaker 2: I was about to ask that that was the next thing.
Speaker 4: He was right.
Speaker 6: It sound like puff Puff is the biggest star in
Speaker 6: the world. I get a record, nas, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 6: telling everybody this is the single.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 6: I don't care what you do. I don't care what
Speaker 6: anybody does, because what we're doing this is this is
Speaker 6: gonna be hard, not life.
Speaker 3: This is a fact. Then you go to queens. No no, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 3: So then so then after we go, Nas records the record.
Speaker 3: How many times that I make? How many times that
Speaker 3: mixed that ringing? I would mix it over and over
Speaker 3: and over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 6: There's such a valuable lesson in my life with that
Speaker 6: song because I wanted it so bad.
Speaker 3: I wanted it so bad. That shot down and.
Speaker 6: He recorded that mixed. Then Puffy recorded anything. Then we
Speaker 6: go to shoot the video.
Speaker 3: The videos a million dollars high Wind wants a million
Speaker 3: dollars to shoot it. Puffy has this idea, we're gonna
Speaker 3: drive the cross and the desert. We're gonna do this.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do that.
Speaker 6: And Puffy taught me something. He told us all something
Speaker 6: very smart back then. I think about it all the time.
Speaker 6: He's like, when you want to do something like really
Speaker 6: fucking shocking, like you gotta do like I'm in. He
Speaker 6: had shot this r Kelly video and they were in
Speaker 6: a convertible and it was raining or it was snowing
Speaker 6: or something like that. He's like that's when you do
Speaker 6: that shit, like you drop the top and the shit's
Speaker 6: raining outside.
Speaker 3: That shit is dope.
Speaker 6: Like bringing to perform on the top of a bodega
Speaker 6: and light that bitch like it's Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, And I was like, that's what
Speaker 3: I did, and can it be so simple? The Wu
Speaker 3: Tang video. I made the projects look.
Speaker 6: Beautiful and I'm like, so now I got the vision.
Speaker 6: We're gonna hate me now Jesus went through being hated.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do this thing in Queens. We're gonna light
Speaker 6: this shit up, all right, Cool, we go through the
Speaker 6: whole thing. Shoot the video, Million Bucks spent and Puff
Speaker 6: two days before his reverend doesn't want to be him
Speaker 6: on the records.
Speaker 3: On the cross, Puff puffs Puff as.
Speaker 6: A reference who didn't want them to be on there,
Speaker 6: and I have to respect what his references.
Speaker 3: I'm going to see him like Puff think because they
Speaker 3: were black crows on the cross, it was it was
Speaker 3: very very dark. Bike Williams put Crocus on the cross,
Speaker 3: but they didn't do that last they were actually there, right,
Speaker 3: they could have been I remember, I don't know, it
Speaker 3: could have been there. It was dark, it was very
Speaker 3: very dark, and I can see why preacher or something
Speaker 3: whatever an issue is blasphemous to if you're religious, right,
Speaker 3: doesn't change that. The narrative is ridiculously dupe. You know.
Speaker 3: It's cinematics there on the other side. No one talks
Speaker 3: about the two other guys. Oh yeah, the thief. No
Speaker 3: one talks about those guys, the guys.
Speaker 2: This is spending wider funks with it. So I continue.
Speaker 3: So he wants he wants that gets mad after because
Speaker 3: past knows beforehand, before beforehand, Pump is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no, But the edits already done.
Speaker 6: Shouldn't they do another edit without him on the cross?
Speaker 6: But this is the part that Pump got. I'm the manager, guys.
Speaker 3: If the other.
Speaker 6: Company spent hundred dollars spending money, the record company spent
Speaker 6: the money. They have two videos done, and it's a
Speaker 6: t r Oh World per Man, and everybody wants to
Speaker 6: be a t r O and the World per Man.
Speaker 3: That's what all rapping.
Speaker 6: Artists were getting. The rap artist wasn't getting mad. Yeah
Speaker 6: it's hip hop is not getting that.
Speaker 3: But now we're gonna take down hard knock life, you
Speaker 3: know anyhow, because.
Speaker 2: Comes out.
Speaker 3: The head of the record company was ahead of Sony
Speaker 3: Music at the time. This guy named don Einer. This
Speaker 3: is a guy. This guy absolute racist. Let's go to
Speaker 3: this right. He dropped fifty cent, he dropped the Lisia keys.
Speaker 6: He he did not fuck with anything if it had
Speaker 6: a problem attached to it.
Speaker 3: Columbia, Columbia Records. A guy who dited it was a
Speaker 3: complete pig. This guy straight up. Yeah, this guy puts
Speaker 3: up the money.
Speaker 6: So now when Puff wants to change the video, Donnie's like,
Speaker 6: I already laid out the money, but I can't even
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get Puff to see the other side,
Speaker 6: but I can't control they're putting that video on a TRL.
Speaker 6: When the video goes up, if everybody holds me responsible
Speaker 6: not even.
Speaker 3: Knowing that there's a guy who wrote the check who
Speaker 3: was like, he knows who that cross scene is. That
Speaker 3: shit was half of that million dollars. He's not taking
Speaker 3: that shit out for the tro warper Man. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: accounting for it. Puff, She's the video TRL goes on
Speaker 3: at three o'clock, three o two four. Niggas in my office.
Speaker 3: They jumped me.
Speaker 6: They beat me up in my office three O two,
Speaker 6: three oh three, that's what happens. What but what takes
Speaker 6: place within years after that is like my relationship with Puff,
Speaker 6: we both came up at the same exact time. We're
Speaker 6: both we maybe doing this, we maybe give up yet
Speaker 6: the two oldest guys who've been doing it the longest.
Speaker 3: Maybe because I remember I was. I was in Puff's
Speaker 3: office when Magic Johnson announced he ad ads like that
Speaker 3: was ninety two, Like I remember specifically being in this
Speaker 3: office and he was promoting the party he worked at uptown,
Speaker 3: Like that's how long I noticed guy. So our relationship
Speaker 3: was long.
Speaker 6: And it was always a mutual respect, even when he
Speaker 6: was as big as he was, the biggest star in
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 3: I never felt like I couldn't call them or whatever
Speaker 3: whatever whatever. So when that took place, it was fucked up,
Speaker 3: and I was embarrassed.
Speaker 6: Naturally, I was embarrassed, becau I didn't even want that
Speaker 6: to be to define who I was, Like some motherfucking
Speaker 6: bum ass nigga that got jumped punis bullshit, and definitely
Speaker 6: called my moms, apologize to my mom's that gore to
Speaker 6: me than anything else, and.
Speaker 3: Then like, you know, that's how close you was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but when did when did that happen. When it happened,
Speaker 3: he immediately called my moms. That was the immediate thing.
Speaker 3: You have to get up. You got to call my
Speaker 3: mother first for the jumping you. My mother doesn't know
Speaker 3: if I'm die in this music business, so all she's
Speaker 3: doing is looking at listen. You gotta call her. I
Speaker 3: need to get that off from my back, like you,
Speaker 3: everybody knows sad. So we got past the mom thing
Speaker 3: and then no, it was wild. It was It was
Speaker 3: weird because it was.
Speaker 6: A very vital pivotal point in my life because I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know, I got money too, I can hire soldiers.
Speaker 3: We could do with that, like you could do that, right,
Speaker 3: You could easily do that like a tifferent tap. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can definitely play that game. I'm not that guy.
Speaker 3: He's I'm not that guy. And y'all was cool enough.
Speaker 3: He knew your family that no, he knew. No, he
Speaker 3: didn't know my family to call my mom though it
Speaker 3: was somebody he knew my momy. The chore, whether you
Speaker 3: knew or not, the aftermath of when you look at
Speaker 3: it now, I mean, I stay in his house, he
Speaker 3: stays in my house.
Speaker 4: You know, A probably the situation that aged well, yeah, well,
Speaker 4: how do you all mend that?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: How do y'all mend that?
Speaker 3: How does that happen? Was it?
Speaker 4: Do Nas?
Speaker 3: I feel like?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Nas Wasnas was worthless and trying to fix it. Jesus,
Speaker 3: he was worthless and trying to fix that. Like that's
Speaker 3: all let's start. Come on, man, it's not cool.
Speaker 4: So how how the two ty coons work out a
Speaker 4: problem that was misfortunate?
Speaker 2: How does this happen in real life and real time?
Speaker 2: And we could all learn from that? Yeah, we could
Speaker 2: all learn from that.
Speaker 6: Well, I have to walk around for two years and
Speaker 6: people saying they me Puffy hit you over Hald at
Speaker 6: the bottom.
Speaker 3: I have to walk around. I have to own that
Speaker 3: that didn't happen. But you know I got Yeah, I
Speaker 3: got to.
Speaker 6: That feeling could easily allow you to go get some
Speaker 6: guns or some guys and go do something in order
Speaker 6: for you to feel like you were like you weren't
Speaker 6: a victim, like people were just somebody like you weren't.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not I'm not guying, but we gotta in life.
Speaker 3: You gotta play the marathon, man, You gotta play the
Speaker 3: long game. You gotta play the long game. Why don't look,
Speaker 3: I'm here this guy.
Speaker 2: Chris, Oh no, this story I heard it, Chris, So
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear it from me now.
Speaker 3: The wedding was like, you're disrespect You're gonna answer me
Speaker 3: on tape. This guy, Chris Lightings wedding is a drunk
Speaker 3: at this man's wedding, he remembers and he's going around
Speaker 3: and he's flipping out on me. And it's like Chris
Speaker 3: Lighty's wedding and you something was in Miami.
Speaker 4: It's Inamoy with the record we produced Mary j. BLI
Speaker 4: was like a firm, Yeah, this is the thing you
Speaker 4: walked in.
Speaker 3: It was. It hurted my feelings so bad. I took
Speaker 3: you up the record. No, you know, I was still
Speaker 3: on the record.
Speaker 4: But y'all said you walked in and it was you
Speaker 4: said something like you sure we're gonna keep him on
Speaker 4: the record in front of me.
Speaker 3: I wanted you to t way that in or something.
Speaker 2: You just said in front of me.
Speaker 3: But you know what, And then let me just tell
Speaker 3: you something. I recently came to.
Speaker 4: You at NAS did this thing, and I apologize because
Speaker 4: you know why I needed you didn't give me.
Speaker 3: It's not that you didn't give me no love.
Speaker 4: You give me the toughest love ever, and you being
Speaker 4: from Queens and we being from Queens. I realized that
Speaker 4: twenty years later that I needed that. I needed you
Speaker 4: to be tough on me, Like when you walked in.
Speaker 4: I was the only guy that was on that record
Speaker 4: that wasn't firm. You were supposed to question that moment. No,
Speaker 4: no champions, let me let me make you up because
Speaker 4: it's big enough. And so those years I was mad
Speaker 4: at you because I was like, damn, because.
Speaker 18: Like I was used to people being fake to me,
Speaker 18: like they'll talk about me behind my back. You actually
Speaker 18: talked about me in front of my face. Are sure
Speaker 18: we want him on the record. I'm like, sto, niggas
Speaker 18: do that right now, and even I'm leaving your question.
Speaker 4: But whatever it was, and I needed that tough love,
Speaker 4: like listen, listen, listen, because that's who makes me who
Speaker 4: I am today. I had and in retrospect, when I
Speaker 4: hear you speak about other artists, I could see it
Speaker 4: because Chris had invested me a little early, and I
Speaker 4: was Na's friend or Jungle's friend.
Speaker 2: But I just I just didn't have no, like you said, structure.
Speaker 3: So I understand later it's just like you said, you
Speaker 3: just called Dave.
Speaker 4: That's why I felt with you. And I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, because the thing about it is, I
Speaker 4: don't I want it that way. I wanted to just
Speaker 4: be able to if somebody don't see see the picture.
Speaker 4: I liked it that like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, now I could realize that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's what you about that I mean today because you
Speaker 6: apologize you said it to me.
Speaker 15: I was.
Speaker 3: I was tough on you. I listened to all your music, Babe.
Speaker 6: You used to take rhymes off see some crazy ship
Speaker 6: that was not when you but you could also write.
Speaker 3: Listen to your rhymes on t O n Y. Listen
Speaker 3: to what you say. Can you go to some other
Speaker 3: records and you don't even give a fuck. It's definitely
Speaker 3: choose that, Yeah, And I'm like, do that. I was
Speaker 3: never what you listen to be honest with you, it's
Speaker 3: just that you know what it was anything no record
Speaker 3: I ever came out slacked on any rhyme on the
Speaker 3: track master beat. That's a fact, because what is it?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm leaving. I'm leaving. Oh my god, I
Speaker 3: killed that let me take me. That's test. That was natureself.
Speaker 3: You you have a bully man.
Speaker 11: I do agree with you.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, Okay, describe that s that was in l A.
Speaker 3: Remember l A. Okay was opened up the Firm album. Yes,
Speaker 3: I thought I was finished. We had some more joints and.
Speaker 11: I need to get on this Firm album.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they flew me up. I actually got
Speaker 3: flew out. I got fifty that it was more about everything.
Speaker 3: I think it was no bundles dout that I just was.
Speaker 3: I was. I was happy to be a part of
Speaker 3: a classic. Continue. It was for nature. No, it was
Speaker 3: nature session. That's how I remember. I came in and
Speaker 3: you played the bat and Nature had nothing for it.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't resist. Say I got something exactly and
Speaker 3: I went in and looked crazy. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: This is the Crazy ship.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know I come from the
Speaker 4: Unique days. Like I'm sorry, I'm sure how I'm forty
Speaker 4: years old. Forty years stout already blew me up. He
Speaker 4: must have googled. He knew, he said, I just got Yeah,
Speaker 4: everybody's forty, you know, I'm really forty. So I come
Speaker 4: from unique studio days where you write the whole rhyme
Speaker 4: and you lay it as such.
Speaker 3: So I remember that I lave man remember the.
Speaker 2: Tape the two inch I had the whole.
Speaker 3: I had laid the whole rhyme in front of nature,
Speaker 3: and they was like, didn't we say this this? This?
Speaker 4: So they like I laid the whole even like like
Speaker 4: I can't say one tape, but I had because I
Speaker 4: had had an idea.
Speaker 3: It was definitely wasn't one tape. Nah. He knows that
Speaker 3: that one bloody money part too.
Speaker 2: Versus because that's how sixteens back then.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen.
Speaker 4: I had wrote rhymes back then style as a whole
Speaker 4: thing song. But I would do right now, I would
Speaker 4: be doing thirty two bars.
Speaker 3: And then you don't play music like if we say something,
Speaker 3: you can't hit like a boom.
Speaker 2: Trying to pay no publisher company.
Speaker 3: You do. You didn't want to relax you the whole episode.
Speaker 3: He still manage. He's still trying to take well, look,
Speaker 3: let me ask you something and and Tom to look.
Speaker 3: You know, sound ex changes right now. Sound is changed
Speaker 3: is something that.
Speaker 2: Is internet bis internet asscat.
Speaker 3: It's the government.
Speaker 4: It's the government. Now they pay you for every song.
Speaker 4: So now let's suppose in on a podcast. A podcast
Speaker 4: is something that you don't play music or whatever. Right,
Speaker 4: but let's go becauselet's sleep.
Speaker 3: I feel like me you and told me some money
Speaker 3: in this way.
Speaker 4: Look, we're gonna start making sound is change recognize recognize
Speaker 4: a podcast when we play music.
Speaker 3: So now now we can get sound exchanged for podcasting periods.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, listen sounded Change pays you for or with
Speaker 2: you your internet question.
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, because you know I became a member of
Speaker 4: the SOHO today and I'm not even going to get
Speaker 4: my membership.
Speaker 3: Y'all changed these stop. I'll tell you, I'm very proud
Speaker 3: of this. By the way, I've never played the game.
Speaker 3: You know what was my problem coming up? I just
Speaker 3: wanted blowing me up?
Speaker 4: Going ready stop listen. I realized I fucked up. What
Speaker 4: I mean by that is some of the most famous
Speaker 4: years of my life. I didn't want to play the game.
Speaker 3: You ever watched Entourage already, goal says the Vents. You
Speaker 3: never played the game VNS.
Speaker 4: Like I had success, I went platinum, and I still
Speaker 4: wanted to hang up the tunnel.
Speaker 2: I never wanted to go over there.
Speaker 3: I never wanted to go to like that's not on stop. Okay, good,
Speaker 3: you could throw it out. It's not like you shouldn't
Speaker 3: have made money, went Blacknam, and you still shouldn't have
Speaker 3: went to the tunnel. All those things are cool. You
Speaker 3: just weren't you.
Speaker 6: If you don't take your craft seriously, if you don't
Speaker 6: work on your craft, you take it for.
Speaker 3: Granted, take it for granted.
Speaker 6: I think is that's she was taking it for granted.
Speaker 6: You don't funk the Soulo House. You just don't take
Speaker 6: your whatever.
Speaker 3: The food isn't great, it is. The vibe is good.
Speaker 3: The food isn't great, But the mallible one is fantastical.
Speaker 3: That's a separate vibe. That's a whole. It's a separate vibe.
Speaker 3: I got that membership too as well. So I'm sorry.
Speaker 15: That's what you.
Speaker 3: Gotta relax. You get it. You listen.
Speaker 2: I know what you be getting movies.
Speaker 3: House to let's make some money. It's like.
Speaker 19: The got He's never gonna show you got money like
Speaker 19: he's never it's never liked like now hip hop.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, we're gonna change the subject hip hop it's
Speaker 4: really actually has a chance to be wealthy.
Speaker 3: And for a while people only had a chance to
Speaker 3: be rich or be what I like to call hood
Speaker 3: rich or nigga rich.
Speaker 2: Now it's a real chance for us to have.
Speaker 3: Wealthy and wealthy we are we are? Did you y'all.
Speaker 2: Know I'm gonna take a shot of your whisky.
Speaker 3: I never did this, Like you don't drink, mother, I'm drinking.
Speaker 6: But you want to?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I got I can't get my sofhole card
Speaker 3: so hard. I need you to teach me more. I'm
Speaker 3: right here. Okay, you want to teach me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. I've been texting you. I wanted
Speaker 3: to do this. Tell me about the fucking so Okay, look,
Speaker 3: you got to teach rat class.
Speaker 2: You got it right now. But I mean, but all actuality, right.
Speaker 3: Look, the issue is the following man. At some point,
Speaker 3: you gotta really believe that you're not full of ship
Speaker 3: and getting over them to make some money. You just
Speaker 3: got to know that you really are talented, you really.
Speaker 6: Are good, You really are bringing more to the table
Speaker 6: than anybody realizes.
Speaker 3: And once you started believing that, accepting that truly, then
Speaker 3: you start making deals that are applicable to what you
Speaker 3: are putting up for the transaction to work. And that's
Speaker 3: how we're going to make all the money. Like whether
Speaker 3: it's a big enough I'm entering the music business again.
Speaker 3: I'm going back in the music business. That's the announcement
Speaker 3: was about to make. Yeah, I'm going back in the
Speaker 3: music business. You make it, and yeah, we're going back
Speaker 3: in the music business. Anybody be quiet home. You're going
Speaker 3: back and I'm going back in the music business. So
Speaker 3: we need a black CEO. I spent my time. I
Speaker 3: learned the music business.
Speaker 6: Then I went and I built an advertising company. You
Speaker 6: did nothing about advertising, Yes you did. All of a sudden,
Speaker 6: everybody got cool advertising. I was there five years of
Speaker 6: naturally what the word was? What was natural to me?
Speaker 3: You put Pepsi with who you did mount commercials? How
Speaker 3: about the how about the ai J? We got the
Speaker 3: beat with the white background, and you you introduced the
Speaker 3: jay Z Seker said, screams all that ship. They wouldn't
Speaker 3: even be no sneakers.
Speaker 4: Not hip hop sneakers. Did you just tell me you
Speaker 4: had something to do the easies? Because then I'm gonna
Speaker 4: man at you again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna all my pan I got no fun.
Speaker 3: Jay Z was jay Z sneaking the first hip hop sneaker.
Speaker 6: There was a failed attempt to do it for jay
Speaker 6: Z run DMC with thedias up.
Speaker 3: Oh they sucked them because.
Speaker 2: They didn't have you.
Speaker 3: No, they fuck it up because they they don't you.
Speaker 3: They ain't have you. They fucking a hunt jay Z ship,
Speaker 3: the ship, the ice cream ship that we.
Speaker 4: How monumental was that because that was the first time
Speaker 4: you see jay Z and fifty cent actually in the commercial.
Speaker 3: How monumental was that?
Speaker 2: Did they go back and.
Speaker 3: Forth, back and forth froging for me? That's what I do, man,
Speaker 3: I'm really really nice. But I do know, we know
Speaker 3: that that's probably why I was mad at you all
Speaker 3: these years. I just wanted some of the help.
Speaker 6: Let's some of your money by keep it, not the
Speaker 6: money for it, I really see from that respective. Anyhow,
Speaker 6: we going back to the music business. I feel like artists,
Speaker 6: there's always gonna be big artists. There's always gonna be
Speaker 6: artists who don't really need anything other than the fact
Speaker 6: that once they get up and they rock, they can
Speaker 6: go on to make a lot of money. But then
Speaker 6: there's a lot of artists that are not those big artists,
Speaker 6: and they really do need help. And if you're gonna
Speaker 6: sell money, you're gonna sell music is gonna get streamed,
Speaker 6: and you get all these streams, and by the time
Speaker 6: it goes through your label and get to you, you
Speaker 6: make this amount of money.
Speaker 3: You already know you're not gonna make any money from
Speaker 3: the streams.
Speaker 6: You're gonna make any money touring, selling merds, some hats,
Speaker 6: all this shit. So we're building a company called United Masters, right,
Speaker 6: and the job of United Masters is specifically to be
Speaker 6: able to take all the data that comes off of
Speaker 6: your streaming and allow you to find those people in
Speaker 6: the real world so you could sell them merchant tickets
Speaker 6: and ship direcord so you don't have to be no
Speaker 6: longer able to do it.
Speaker 3: So it really is more so it's three sixty. Well
Speaker 3: it's three. It's an agies he or a platform that
Speaker 3: people can it's an it's because of the agency to
Speaker 3: become a platform. It's a platform that artists can go on.
Speaker 6: And then figure out exactly who their fans are so
Speaker 6: they can sell ship that.
Speaker 3: Anybody can can go to the platf any artist, any
Speaker 3: artist who's invited to the platform can.
Speaker 2: Go out invited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so meaning okay, so you just can't be somebody
Speaker 4: off off the street and just post your ship on there.
Speaker 2: You have to be invited in the beginning.
Speaker 3: We want to make it. We want to make it closer.
Speaker 3: Can't do it with everybody, yeah, because it gets crazy,
Speaker 3: you know, it gets crazy now? Actually is it? Is
Speaker 3: it like a bank camp dot com?
Speaker 15: Like?
Speaker 3: No, we looked at all those things, oh to buy
Speaker 3: all those things?
Speaker 4: Didn't work's bank camp bank Actually, I'm sorry, brother.
Speaker 3: The platform is really great.
Speaker 6: Artists tools to be able to understand how to make
Speaker 6: money outside of just the music business.
Speaker 3: I'm taking everything that I've done in making.
Speaker 6: Artists money outside of the music business. You want to
Speaker 6: talk about the work that I've done in.
Speaker 3: That area, yes, please, because I mean I just yes,
Speaker 3: I would like I would like you to take the
Speaker 3: lead of this conversation right now. It's fantastic.
Speaker 6: I've always been the guy to figure out how we're
Speaker 6: gonna make money outside of the music business.
Speaker 3: That's one thing. That's a label as this, that's that.
Speaker 6: But how we're gonna sell sneakers, how we're gonna sell
Speaker 6: more tickets, How we're gonna get endorsement deals.
Speaker 3: Push your Tea writing, I'm loving it for McDonald's. McDonald's.
Speaker 4: Yes, this is love's always been.
Speaker 3: What made you think push your tea good?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 3: I love it and make the word grinding. I'm like
Speaker 3: grind d I'm like, I just liked it. That's why
Speaker 3: I was mad at you. I was want to read
Speaker 3: the grinding. You ain't think that about me?
Speaker 12: Here you go.
Speaker 3: Justin Timperlake was because I heard interview. But but push
Speaker 3: your T wrote the raps, he wrote the ship. Push
Speaker 3: your T was the writer on that, hey man. He
Speaker 3: was the whole ship.
Speaker 6: I put the whole ship around push your teeth. Justin
Speaker 6: Tim Blake was the front man. Push your Tee was
Speaker 6: behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: Suck, which is crazy, makes the most money behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: He's probably the most drug dealer rapper in the world.
Speaker 4: And every time you heard it, I'm loving it. You
Speaker 4: have never thought to.
Speaker 3: Push your tea in your life.
Speaker 20: And he doesn't want you to take the check until
Speaker 20: just now anyhow, that is Thoughe so the fact that
Speaker 20: now what I want to build and it's just crawl, walk,
Speaker 20: run thing.
Speaker 3: We'll get there.
Speaker 6: Three years, five years, Timmis, We'll get there is hows
Speaker 6: artists stream their music and then be able to know
Speaker 6: who the fuck is streaming my ship, because if they
Speaker 6: like my ship, if they listen to my Yeah, if
Speaker 6: they listen to my song seventy five times, then they
Speaker 6: differently would about a dream Chimp's had. If somebody listened
Speaker 6: to every episode of this show, wouldn't you love to
Speaker 6: know where they were to sell them this happen.
Speaker 3: That's what we're trying to do, and.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm doing, right, And that's what we're building,
Speaker 6: and we're putting a team together to do that.
Speaker 3: And it requires the delicate relationship between storytelling, culture and
Speaker 3: technology and putting those things together. And that's what it is.
Speaker 3: And it's not a pie in the sky idea. It's
Speaker 3: the next evolution of where we need to go, where
Speaker 3: culture needs to go. We need to know who our
Speaker 3: super fans are. Super thumb now you are you want
Speaker 3: your are your partners on that? Yeah? Of course, God
Speaker 3: damn it. So he gonna produce the ship.
Speaker 6: No, strictly executive man, strictly executive tones help and find
Speaker 6: the artists.
Speaker 3: But I was gonna say something, you said something else.
Speaker 3: Ship this is you know it works, you do. We
Speaker 3: all over the place now with the best. But if
Speaker 3: you knew exactly all the people who watch the show
Speaker 3: and you were able to say.
Speaker 6: You know what, there's one hundred thousand people who would
Speaker 6: love to buy that shirt, wear that hat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you want to upgrade us right now? I
Speaker 3: would if you would have been in that business. And
Speaker 3: you don't want to go through anybody else to interrupt
Speaker 3: that relationship. Instagram is cool and Facebook is cool, but
Speaker 3: they don't really tell you this is direct a consumer
Speaker 3: type of deal. Ultimately, we're building a director consumer business.
Speaker 4: Just so you notice for another time, you know, this
Speaker 4: is eight and nine clothing stall. They're doing a thing.
Speaker 4: We partner it up and with the drink camps they
Speaker 4: handle our merchandiz and this is dope put.
Speaker 3: We could definitely use your.
Speaker 4: Expertise in helping us in a direction, because nigga, don't
Speaker 4: nobody on earth have Tom Brady. But besides you, you
Speaker 4: gotta relax and you gotta make some So would we
Speaker 4: ever have like an era like we had again, like
Speaker 4: where it was like so much years of great, great
Speaker 4: music or is it more about making an artist? Because
Speaker 4: because right now like it seems like the music is
Speaker 4: just so disposable.
Speaker 3: It isn't. I don't want to go you know, we
Speaker 3: can't please help me. It's tough. Bro's it's tough.
Speaker 14: Bro.
Speaker 3: What you're about to do, it's tough.
Speaker 4: Believe me, is tough, man, because because remember like remember
Speaker 4: like I don't want to date us.
Speaker 3: But in the nineties, in the nineties, I'm saying all
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 4: In the nineties, it felt like when when a record
Speaker 4: was a classroom like record.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's that's with all cameras. That's how people's
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 3: You gotta relax listen. But in our day, it felt
Speaker 3: like back then, right when the record.
Speaker 2: Was a classic, it actually held up.
Speaker 3: I wanted to wait for my partner. I ain't wanted
Speaker 3: to when you come, okay, got downstairs, God damn stops.
Speaker 3: I feel like you want to go over here. I
Speaker 3: feel like you want to know I'm in IFN. But
Speaker 3: back then, didn't they feel like a record like lasted long?
Speaker 4: Looking it stout thought this time he wanted the records,
Speaker 4: but didn't they feel like a record.
Speaker 2: Lasted longer back then?
Speaker 4: Or now these records come and they go like like
Speaker 4: all right, for you, for you, right, stole, I'll direct
Speaker 4: this perfectly to you.
Speaker 3: These people will come to you. French Montana's yo. No
Speaker 3: they drank that ship all. You didn't get the French.
Speaker 4: We got it, yeah at all. But listen, you know
Speaker 4: I'm rapper friendly. That's forty ship. We used to have
Speaker 4: bellet but young sad he be he'd be slow. But
Speaker 4: but you know we got we got on.
Speaker 3: But did it seem like back.
Speaker 4: Then, like the records, when the record wasn't hit, it
Speaker 4: actually lasted.
Speaker 3: Ten years like they actually spread as opposed.
Speaker 2: Like a classic. I mean, okay, a classic.
Speaker 3: Hosts the test of time. Are we not seeing that?
Speaker 2: Like the records?
Speaker 3: Like you'll hear somebody ill.
Speaker 4: Those I'm just popping in and I'm popping my gon
Speaker 4: and then and then what song do you think that
Speaker 4: will last?
Speaker 3: Well, you'll listen to ten years from now. That's the real.
Speaker 3: Not many, don't say not many's a good answer. Which ones? Damn?
Speaker 12: I think some of Kendrick records will yeah, yes, like
Speaker 12: I say that, I think records that will.
Speaker 3: Ye, I'm gonna give a little UZI vert some love
Speaker 3: that shit does something to my souls sometimes, Like I
Speaker 3: just ain't gonna lie. I know my old nigg I'm forty.
Speaker 3: It's facts. I'm not going to but there's something who
Speaker 3: I mean, something hestruction. It's something in my soul that
Speaker 3: comes on. I just be like, ah, ship, I don't
Speaker 3: do his dance that he do. He gotta he gotta dance,
Speaker 3: don't regular? I agree doing something I tried one day.
Speaker 3: How many songs did Nelly make that worked ten years later?
Speaker 3: Other than country ground? Damn style, you're going dancetown Damn,
Speaker 3: nothing that I remember. So now he made one song.
Speaker 2: No downtown baby.
Speaker 3: Still it's still lit country, country ground, country, I said.
Speaker 3: The other damn he said. I said, So, what's your
Speaker 3: going style? I mean, I'm making it. I'm here, I'm okay,
Speaker 3: hot in the end right hot in here before country ground? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So let's say Nelly has three songs, how many songs
Speaker 3: of general.
Speaker 12: Health last ten years, last ten years, ten years later
Speaker 12: now that are still resonated.
Speaker 3: Everybody gets weird when the question comes out.
Speaker 2: Understand the question.
Speaker 3: The question is.
Speaker 6: How songs today? He saying him since won't last. So
Speaker 6: he's saying, I like little loosey vert this one song.
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah. My question is, and I'm gonna take
Speaker 6: it around.
Speaker 3: Yes, back from our era when classics were being made, right, right,
Speaker 3: how many songs from Nell he played ten years later?
Speaker 3: We're saying two maybe three? Right?
Speaker 6: So then I asked general, I'm trying to make jo
Speaker 6: trying to say that nothing's changed.
Speaker 4: Actually, what I'm getting to that feel like job, We've
Speaker 4: got a lie that plays right now now.
Speaker 3: I mean the parties I go, I'm an old nigger.
Speaker 2: They still rocking.
Speaker 3: Job I go to I got to what tab. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you ever been there.
Speaker 4: They don't play that old the new clubs. You're saying, now,
Speaker 4: what's the.
Speaker 3: Point you this, guys man? From the point? What matter
Speaker 3: is in our definition, definition of what it is. We
Speaker 3: may look at our era.
Speaker 6: We love it so much that we coveted more than
Speaker 6: when we listen to the music today. But like this
Speaker 6: ship is disposal, this is bullshit. The truth of the
Speaker 6: matter is a lot of music that we listened to
Speaker 6: back then was bull just as disposable.
Speaker 3: But we don't say that. But when you look at
Speaker 3: it ten years later, nearly hit it. It's a generational thing.
Speaker 3: It's a generational thing. You look at it. It's three songs, Jerrold,
Speaker 3: tell me how many records it is. And I hate
Speaker 3: to use those two guys because outside.
Speaker 6: Of Nelly, outside of Nile's and jay Z or Biggie,
Speaker 6: those are the guys, right those those.
Speaker 12: That isn't that is differentiation what you're saying right there,
Speaker 12: because to me, you're saying, like the Nas the Biggie,
Speaker 12: that's like Bob Marty, you.
Speaker 3: Forget those guys.
Speaker 2: That whole catalog is gonna be Revere.
Speaker 3: That's like and everybody else who came when the heels
Speaker 3: are that, Hey, what did they do? That works ten
Speaker 3: years later? Right? So now we're gonna say, oh, Kendrick
Speaker 3: Drake whoever? And now we're naming only artists ten years later,
Speaker 3: that's all.
Speaker 6: And if there's a bunch of guys who made a
Speaker 6: bunch of records who made some money in between, fuck.
Speaker 3: It, fuck it. I don't want to shoot on them.
Speaker 21: Fuck it.
Speaker 3: They're doing what they had to do. He walked into
Speaker 3: fucking session. That wasn't his asshole. It was work ethic good,
Speaker 3: you know, so like just shitting on.
Speaker 6: Believe me, I went through that process, like, man, I
Speaker 6: hate this ship, this music sucks. I can't believe this
Speaker 6: nigga has no rhymes. But then you realize that's what
Speaker 6: the generation likes.
Speaker 3: What are you supposed to do? Do what doesn't work?
Speaker 3: Make music?
Speaker 15: For you and me?
Speaker 2: We got great bits. They don't want to make music
Speaker 2: all the way White.
Speaker 3: I was great. Great was what I tried. I had
Speaker 3: the great Beer Gang t shirts. But it's not working.
Speaker 3: On looking with my bar. Don't put no inking. No,
Speaker 3: I don't do. That's what I know.
Speaker 2: Somebody who's doing everybody I know somebody that does.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 15: Man.
Speaker 2: I decided I'm not.
Speaker 3: Going when somebody you gotta go to Beijing. You never
Speaker 3: went Beijing? Are you crazy? I never shot Polish exactly.
Speaker 15: So now.
Speaker 3: We act the best era at hip hop.
Speaker 2: I don't think we really got that very clear, to
Speaker 2: be quite honest with you.
Speaker 3: Listen, you definely have what you define the I think
Speaker 3: it's I.
Speaker 6: Think it's I think it's eighty eight, eighty seven to
Speaker 6: eighty nine lyrics, ninety I say in nineties.
Speaker 3: He says, in nineties happened. That's why we.
Speaker 12: Because he said nineties like a decade, and then he
Speaker 12: started saying three year increments Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So we're disagreement. We're in disagreement. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite error?
Speaker 3: You know my nineties guy, because I came out. Those
Speaker 3: are three years increment, three years ago. Look at the
Speaker 3: lyrics of eighty seven. Listen, you can't influence this.
Speaker 2: I'm talking on my partner.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. We recently had everybody on here right.
Speaker 15: What he say?
Speaker 3: Too much?
Speaker 2: Great stuff? Great stuff. We love him, but.
Speaker 3: Like I know, when he was a kid, IRV and
Speaker 3: I was in the kindergarten together, yea style. Don't nobody
Speaker 3: get on.
Speaker 2: In kindergarten with another?
Speaker 9: Yeah, pictures we had Buster saying him in high school kidding, why.
Speaker 3: Kidding? In kindergarten and earth Irv?
Speaker 15: IRV?
Speaker 3: When he was Uh, I never heard of niggame. Nobody
Speaker 3: they still know? This is so hard. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: It's a moment for me.
Speaker 4: Style continue you in IRV Colly in kindergarten? Is it
Speaker 4: Charleston Chills involved at any point?
Speaker 22: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Now, how about this with the kindergarten, first, second, and
Speaker 3: third grade together and a worn on the same day.
Speaker 3: And I worked with Irv's brother as a bank We
Speaker 3: were both bank tellers at Chase Manhattan Bank. Oh when
Speaker 3: we were ten years old, Chris, Yeah, y'all worked with
Speaker 3: the money early. Oh yeah, so check this off. This
Speaker 3: is crazy drinking more.
Speaker 6: When he was fourteen, we had an afro ass motherfucking
Speaker 6: afro he got was Mike John Earlier there was on
Speaker 6: Mike Geronimo Mike John.
Speaker 3: Okay, fags.
Speaker 2: What that's what you call him?
Speaker 3: Michael Groon. So anyhow we go. This guy is alaricous.
Speaker 3: He's like, wasn't I wasn't read that was ready? I
Speaker 3: was not already.
Speaker 2: Stuff came ready, I came ready.
Speaker 3: He's like, ramble, He'll stop. I so appreciate you right now.
Speaker 3: Continue to be that guy. Continue.
Speaker 6: Sohow EARV is DJing in the park and spinning at
Speaker 6: fourteen years old. You know, like when you see the
Speaker 6: young kid who's a genius and everybody's like, look at
Speaker 6: this kid. That was IRV on the one and two's
Speaker 6: He was a genius. Earth was spinning and cutting at
Speaker 6: fourteen years old. And while everybody else was in the
Speaker 6: seventh eighth grade.
Speaker 3: Doing normal things, he was. He was. He was the
Speaker 3: highlight of a party like featuring IRV Gotti. Wow, this
Speaker 3: young genius. IRV God is a very very very special
Speaker 3: talented dude. Man Like I fuck with him. We've go
Speaker 3: back and forth, like you know, we do whatever regular
Speaker 3: nigga shit.
Speaker 6: That guy is really talented, loves hip hop, loves hip
Speaker 6: hop history, and I have the most respect for him.
Speaker 6: I think Tails, what he's doing with Tails is dope.
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna fucking win. I think the end
Speaker 6: of the day, when it's all over Earth got he
Speaker 6: will be at the town and.
Speaker 3: He got one of the funniest stories in the world.
Speaker 3: One day, I'm a murder what a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know. Me and John Rud when he was twelve
Speaker 3: million and I was gold.
Speaker 4: We lived next story to each other in New Jersey.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because I had six cars. He has six cars,
Speaker 4: but his six cause was way different than my six cars.
Speaker 4: It's one hundred percent. Never hated this one right, but one.
Speaker 3: Day IRV Gotti is in the Murder Inc. Office. I
Speaker 3: walk in there. I'm going to get my.
Speaker 4: Friend, my next door neighbor, Jar Rud Drum and IRV
Speaker 4: comes in. He says, Steve Stout, he's not talking to me,
Speaker 4: He's talking to his crew.
Speaker 3: He says, Steve Stout just told me I fucked up
Speaker 3: the way I.
Speaker 4: Talked to Knives because I talked to Knives and I
Speaker 4: told him I wanted him to own his masters and
Speaker 4: I wanted him to do this. And Irv's exact words was,
Speaker 4: naves want to think about Africa.
Speaker 3: You don't want to go to Africa? What's that true? Damn? Look,
Speaker 3: I can tell her this. And I looked at I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I said, she was like, it's funny.
Speaker 3: It's funny what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I swear God, I mean murdered office by mistake.
Speaker 3: I'm just there. I just happened to be there.
Speaker 2: And then and this is IRV got exact words.
Speaker 3: He said, you scared him off. He'll never come with you. Guys.
Speaker 3: Earth is just over the top, man. You know, no
Speaker 3: waiting stuff. Where you want to go? We ready? He
Speaker 3: gave us. There's certain rappers that I think would have
Speaker 3: been way better an R guys than rappers fat job,
Speaker 3: damn the.
Speaker 6: French Montana right now. If these guys were executives, oh.
Speaker 11: Hits like crazy Buster rhymes, fine hit records, No Buster.
Speaker 3: Ryan, fine hits, Fucking Fat Joey was the best one.
Speaker 3: Of the best an R guys period, but nobody knows
Speaker 3: that because he's trying to make the record himself, even
Speaker 3: wrecking to somebody else. That's crazy, you, my friend.
Speaker 4: Yes, but I'm finding the media outlet right now. I'm
Speaker 4: running media right now is the fantastic thing.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 23: I was always mad at you for vamfo on TV,
Speaker 23: but going somewhere deep, these fans.
Speaker 3: Are real hard core fans the TV. No watch what
Speaker 3: you say about VADFA TV. I can't. They might be
Speaker 3: produce yeah Swiss, but thank you. I was really upset
Speaker 3: that you didn't really bring them. You have last on
Speaker 3: that you were supposed to go crazy. That's when that
Speaker 3: back then rapping last rhymes. Yes, and you think this
Speaker 3: is why I'm gonna have forget you gotta relaxed now.
Speaker 15: TV vers.
Speaker 12: N.
Speaker 2: That's because something you probably wasn't living.
Speaker 3: No Nature showed up. Listen, let me just.
Speaker 4: Tell you you you described the story. Now, let me
Speaker 4: just tell you I took Nature session that I'm leaving.
Speaker 4: I owe Nature that had that.
Speaker 2: Best not the best verse.
Speaker 3: He even had a person. I still feel like I
Speaker 3: had the best verse, but.
Speaker 2: I let him lead it.
Speaker 3: Do not you had the best verse on Bad TV.
Speaker 3: I had the best verse. In my opinion. This is
Speaker 3: what opinions always been.
Speaker 2: Opinions.
Speaker 3: Right, you're gonna have it. So you think Nature had
Speaker 3: that best verse. I'm I'm walcome to you saying your
Speaker 3: body pun. I ain't saying body nobody. I don't look
Speaker 3: at records like body good verses on that record.
Speaker 2: I'm good at as a great record. I look at
Speaker 2: it as a great record. But twenty years later, I'm
Speaker 2: probably the.
Speaker 4: Only artist that's on that record that's still performing that
Speaker 4: record besides Jada and Styles.
Speaker 3: That's it. I think.
Speaker 4: I think Cam moved On is not alive. I think
Speaker 4: Nature is not active, and I think I mean, that's
Speaker 4: my brother. But listen how I broke that down. I'm
Speaker 4: the only artist that's on that record that's still quietly
Speaker 4: performing it besides the Locks.
Speaker 3: I think Cam moved on because Camra is on that.
Speaker 4: Record, Big Pun is passed away, right, Nate is not
Speaker 4: as active as all the other people that's on that record.
Speaker 3: And then so who, so who you have the best verse?
Speaker 6: Well, that's great that you did it, like you look,
Speaker 6: retrop I was the only guy who.
Speaker 3: Who is here?
Speaker 4: Sometimes listen, listen, see I learned from CNN. See I
Speaker 4: had an album prior to n R E. And that
Speaker 4: album was the super lyric Who's most lyric? All that
Speaker 4: that that ship that niggas wanted. But then I realized
Speaker 4: when I got with a guy, he had a little
Speaker 4: chain on like this had a joker and I looked.
Speaker 3: At it and he said to me, nobody listens to me.
Speaker 4: Who said that his name is for Real Williams saying,
Speaker 4: he said to me, nobody listens to me.
Speaker 3: And his ship was like this. It was very it
Speaker 3: was it was it was very like it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 24: You know, we was in the baggy soup aram cross
Speaker 24: color and ship like that, but you know it was
Speaker 24: like it was cross colored after that face and that he.
Speaker 2: Was the only produce of that.
Speaker 3: He said to me, he said, nobody listens to me.
Speaker 4: And for some reason, I had the number one record
Speaker 4: in R E was the number one record in New
Speaker 4: York at that time. I didn't have to listen to
Speaker 4: this guy. He said, I'm gonna bring it to a
Speaker 4: world that nobody else is gonna go. And I did that,
Speaker 4: and this guy comes out to be for Ral Williams.
Speaker 4: A lot of people a lot of people you you can,
Speaker 4: you can, you can whatever you want. A lot of
Speaker 4: people say the reason why the world knows Pharrell.
Speaker 3: Is because of that Super Dug record. Can you say
Speaker 3: that as a producer, I love Super Dug? Answer? But
Speaker 3: was that like the first record that people recognized for
Speaker 3: was that? I don't mind. Was it.
Speaker 6: The proction sound on the Super Dug because they put
Speaker 6: the chalice on the.
Speaker 3: Whole No way, we all thought that, no way, the
Speaker 3: horse wasn't around.
Speaker 6: But with him, with him him on top of the
Speaker 6: singing up, it was that no one seen that sound
Speaker 6: was definitely different.
Speaker 12: Now the sound no this I'm gonna tell you coming
Speaker 12: from Miami and DJ from Miami.
Speaker 3: The sound the difference was is it had the beat
Speaker 3: that the South could relate. How long were you DJing
Speaker 3: in Miami? I mean I started my company in ninety
Speaker 3: three and I was DJing.
Speaker 15: I used to do that.
Speaker 2: Wasn't how can I get down convention? The only way
Speaker 2: I could meet people.
Speaker 3: I used to come down here. I used to go
Speaker 3: to the club on Fifth in the liquid No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no. I did his first showing solo show
Speaker 3: in Miami.
Speaker 2: He going before that.
Speaker 22: I mean that might be before my time. I'm forty
Speaker 22: two years old. Just why I used to come down here?
Speaker 3: Man? What years?
Speaker 14: Now?
Speaker 3: What years?
Speaker 2: It was me, DJ Apps and DJ Khalid. That's that's
Speaker 2: the like I used to come.
Speaker 3: To Miami in ninety one, ninety two, ninety three, Collins
Speaker 3: Avenue was a ghost town.
Speaker 2: Yeah you couldn't. Yeah, you how it was irrelevant in
Speaker 2: the beach.
Speaker 3: Forget that part I'm talking about. It was a ghost
Speaker 3: town for human beings.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, yeah, yeah it was. The beach was
Speaker 2: padded radio. That's what I did.
Speaker 3: Would break records down here.
Speaker 12: I did pirate radio and then I got I did
Speaker 12: the mix younger than me and but that's my whie.
Speaker 3: They used to break records down here. Man, this is
Speaker 3: this is on the guy, Like, what what's what I did? Named? Man? Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course I know. Man, my cousin kick that out
Speaker 3: of Come on, man, you can't know. He likes to
Speaker 3: come out all the time. Man, he likes to still
Speaker 3: wants to go come down here. He's lovely down here.
Speaker 3: But he's a r new guy.
Speaker 2: You got no prophy to say. Ask anybody. They're gonna
Speaker 2: tell you that that's what I was doing.
Speaker 3: I like to ask anybody like, I know my mann
Speaker 3: is shot.
Speaker 2: I feel that, I feel that the indergy is so great.
Speaker 3: I know my man turns like ask anybody about me
Speaker 3: and that studio. I lays it down. That's anybody that's
Speaker 3: the best of the best, the best.
Speaker 6: That's how you get best. He don't talk like that,
Speaker 6: but I'm talking for him. Yo, you just said ask anybody.
Speaker 6: I know how you feel.
Speaker 2: But when they let me ask you something, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Stuff when they talk about that top five producer all
Speaker 4: the time, and when sometimes they leave you off that list.
Speaker 3: They just asked you.
Speaker 25: Tune J just asked you last week, were you better
Speaker 25: than a hit man? Absolutely say the bad boy hit
Speaker 25: me as bad boy? Yeah, yeah, that ship.
Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, that's my man, but a man rapper
Speaker 11: as well.
Speaker 3: This answer the question. We need you to get that's
Speaker 3: the way you know. You don't believe. And I want
Speaker 3: to have you interview another artist that would be because.
Speaker 2: This is what I think about track mass personally.
Speaker 12: I think that before I feel like the Neptunes is
Speaker 12: like everybody knows. I feel like track Masters was the
Speaker 12: first like famous producer duo and hip hop.
Speaker 2: Like Terry Terry and Jammy j What was Jammy? You
Speaker 2: guys are that for hip hop?
Speaker 26: The first?
Speaker 11: That's Steve's market league.
Speaker 3: Steve took out ads and billboard for producers. I was
Speaker 3: buying full pages bro full page ads and bill Boy.
Speaker 6: You guys don't even know the type of psychlean you
Speaker 6: say being calm.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no. You can be as
Speaker 3: calm as you want.
Speaker 2: You don't see what we do. We put We put
Speaker 2: our faces on on things.
Speaker 3: Our canvas is right there in the wall to be gone. No,
Speaker 3: just to promote ourselves because of you, because we look
Speaker 3: at ourselves. And now was.
Speaker 2: Who was that first meeting like with Reebok when you said,
Speaker 2: I want you know what it is.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 15: How did you.
Speaker 6: I can talk for so long about so much things,
Speaker 6: then it won't even make any sense.
Speaker 3: It will be out of contact.
Speaker 2: You can't nothing about fall.
Speaker 3: I can have Kobe Bryant and Lebron James to do
Speaker 3: a separate sports version of this, still turning the same thing,
Speaker 3: jay Z. And that's well saying about me. I do
Speaker 3: my thing to the maximum on all levels. That's my problem.
Speaker 6: When I get involved, I go all out, whether it
Speaker 6: be producers, whether it be artists, whether it be athletes.
Speaker 3: I doesn't know one thing. All the funk out that's
Speaker 3: my problem.
Speaker 6: That's queens, that's out by the first person really like.
Speaker 6: The nigga who taught me the business was a guy
Speaker 6: named no Face.
Speaker 3: Mark Ski. Yeah, he had He had a group called
Speaker 3: b w P Business Problem. Mark Ski took me to
Speaker 3: no He took me to.
Speaker 6: Before I liberated after after he bitch is flipping on
Speaker 6: like and he took me down to the ship in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Mark Ski, he was so talented, so so smart.
Speaker 6: He used to tell me how talented shot G was Flavor,
Speaker 6: Flavor could play the piano.
Speaker 3: It was like he would just like get me there.
Speaker 3: And I was still living at home with my parents,
Speaker 3: and I just was. I was just ready.
Speaker 6: And the one thing he always made me realize I
Speaker 6: had to know was if you knew an artist, what
Speaker 6: label were they on. If I ever asked you an
Speaker 6: artist and you don't know label Lane, I'll never return
Speaker 6: your phone call. So you guys be an artists. I
Speaker 6: have to know label laboring, who produced the song. That's
Speaker 6: why I'm so fucking hip hop fluid, because I just
Speaker 6: know everything. I just I spent the time if I
Speaker 6: didn't know it. It feels like if I don't know
Speaker 6: the facts.
Speaker 3: Around something, you don't think that's an error thing. Though
Speaker 3: maybe I think the error of shots.
Speaker 27: We all read the credits, shot the credits, no more,
Speaker 27: we still need to know. No, Jesus, you got my life.
Speaker 27: I don't know why we think she she was tired.
Speaker 3: I knew she was tired. He brought you up. Listen
Speaker 3: while we're hitting her. Yes, there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: that you're talking about. Yes, why didn't he shine baked
Speaker 3: in the business?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, yeah, never mind that he got
Speaker 2: went in and aforded.
Speaker 3: But he I thought everybody loved him, but no one everybody,
Speaker 3: nobody loves.
Speaker 2: This is a trick question.
Speaker 12: No, I swear the fact that shot sounded like Big,
Speaker 12: but he has a DJ even though.
Speaker 3: The Very Team, which was a dope record, then he
Speaker 3: had the other record, right, But I think that.
Speaker 12: It was always like his achilles heel, that he's that
Speaker 12: they introduced him as sounding.
Speaker 2: Like Big and he's on Bad Boy. Had he not
Speaker 2: come out on Bad b.
Speaker 3: It was you. But but if people say he goes
Speaker 3: the next Big and the frustrating you put out. Meggas
Speaker 3: are like, I love this ship.
Speaker 2: Dope.
Speaker 4: I think let me, let me, let me just interject
Speaker 4: for one second. I think that Sean would have actually
Speaker 4: been like like, you're damn.
Speaker 3: He was the next one.
Speaker 2: Look, I think the next one when he came home.
Speaker 3: Is that what he's saying?
Speaker 4: When he came home, he could have been like super huge.
Speaker 4: But what happened was Colin rushed a verse. Remember when
Speaker 4: Sean came home, the k put him on the record.
Speaker 4: Nobody here, nobody knows what you're tongu No, no, no, listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 3: What happened was, oh yeah, I remember, I remember, I remember.
Speaker 3: What happened was he came out high cort case. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he caught the listen. Listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 15: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: And it was a bad verse. It was really a
Speaker 2: quarter case.
Speaker 3: He he went away.
Speaker 2: His anticipatient home.
Speaker 3: Was like Phil Knight. It was his first verse was terrible.
Speaker 2: No I did that didn't feeling.
Speaker 3: This wasn't he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Said he used good stout, good stout.
Speaker 3: You said he rushed it.
Speaker 4: No, but the worse it through everybody or it was
Speaker 4: his voice tempo wasn't as the.
Speaker 26: Same it was off.
Speaker 2: It was it was a shine is dope, But because.
Speaker 3: I rushed it, you could tell what I mean? No, no,
Speaker 3: dispet the colay all upesn't make any.
Speaker 6: Sense what you're saying. No, No, you don't like him
Speaker 6: when he sounded like Big, but then when he came
Speaker 6: back on some new voice.
Speaker 2: Listen saying this is what's listen.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4: If Sean would have came home with Big, same voice
Speaker 4: as he had prior to that, if he would have
Speaker 4: came home with that voice, he would have been a
Speaker 4: new tupac.
Speaker 3: Nah, don't I think you're wrong? He would have been
Speaker 3: somewhere around that range.
Speaker 2: No, No, you know I'm gonna trut. I'm a corrected.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: What you're saying is is that it's not.
Speaker 12: That he sounded dope and he sounded like Big and
Speaker 12: then we don't accept him again.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to get to it this. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: what happened to him? People liked his music. He did
Speaker 3: nothing wrong, he just didn't didn't seem to do it.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 4: No, when he came home he had he had to
Speaker 4: be deported. It you gotta I can tell you this
Speaker 4: friendly as being a part of a legendary.
Speaker 3: Who called Copona and Oriega. Component in Oriega has five
Speaker 3: hundred thousand every year in the Europe. Every year. All
Speaker 3: we gotta do is spend thirty days in the year.
Speaker 3: But at some point in certain parts of Europe it's terrible.
Speaker 3: It's freezing like ship. So you would go there and
Speaker 3: you would get how do you smoke me? And your
Speaker 3: eyes are right?
Speaker 4: Because because I'm your friends, I wanted.
Speaker 3: To be your friend for so long. I just want
Speaker 3: to keep my life together because I just want to
Speaker 3: give more money. I just want and I feel like
Speaker 3: I feel like I've reached that flat till now.
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta be like you gotta help me
Speaker 4: in some way, take more safe shape for more president somewhere.
Speaker 3: I need to start wearing white suits at some point,
Speaker 3: you know, I need to do like.
Speaker 2: You gotta give me raped class. You gotta give me
Speaker 2: somewhere somewhere I could.
Speaker 3: I know who else you said something, Jim Jones. Jim
Speaker 3: Jones is a great producer.
Speaker 6: If Jim Jones had an artist in different music in
Speaker 6: front of him, I'd have to put the artists in the.
Speaker 2: Music to look how many artists introduced Max B.
Speaker 6: Jim Jones is tough. Jim Jones, I just don't get
Speaker 6: along with him. It always happens like that. I don't
Speaker 6: care about that part, and I go through that part like, uh,
Speaker 6: first of all, for me, I know what.
Speaker 3: Fifty's talented? Oh god, is he talented? He's not talented
Speaker 3: rapper writer, he's talented. Jim Jones is talented.
Speaker 6: Like the just meaning like Na's and jay z are
Speaker 6: the problem with rap music was it mean if you
Speaker 6: were if you weren't a talented rapper, then everybody else
Speaker 6: was like fake versions of them. And the truth of
Speaker 6: the matter is there's so much talent that the art
Speaker 6: for me staring and like with jay Z and Nas
Speaker 6: do specifically are words. Fifty is Vince McMahon. He's Vince McMahon.
Speaker 6: Vince McMahon is the best. Vince McMahon is so good
Speaker 6: that when he actually copied and tried to make the NFL,
Speaker 6: if you look at the camera angles that.
Speaker 3: They copped that they did, that's what the NFL uses now,
Speaker 3: vis vic Man overhead? Can the overhead?
Speaker 6: Can Victor Man invented that we were watching the NFL
Speaker 6: every day when he started that bullshit football league that
Speaker 6: no one watched. It was terrible, but he produced the
Speaker 6: shit out of an idea. That's fifty cent. Fifty cent
Speaker 6: is ridiculously talented at a thing. Jim Jones is talented
Speaker 6: at a thing.
Speaker 3: When you put Jim Jones nas fifty those guys together,
Speaker 3: as you talk about culture, if they were to make
Speaker 3: a product, it would be Disney. These guys are great.
Speaker 6: It's just that everybody's so separated that these things don't
Speaker 6: come together. You don't put the writer, the animator, the storyteller,
Speaker 6: anything together, but if you ever put him.
Speaker 2: Together, so it's like a lack of team.
Speaker 3: How the fuck you think Batman happened? That's not one guy.
Speaker 3: Just show this guy.
Speaker 6: That's five guys together saying this guy, listen, this house
Speaker 6: come from city and a fucking thing up in the sky.
Speaker 3: That took five guys, but it rapped me in. Those
Speaker 3: five guys can't talk to each other because one guy
Speaker 3: is making money doing this, that and that, so you
Speaker 3: don't funk each other. That's fucked up. That's right. I'm
Speaker 3: living this speeches on dream chaps in my life. That's listen.
Speaker 3: I'm visualizing what he's saying, I'm good. I gotta sleep
Speaker 3: that night. I gotta deal with myself.
Speaker 2: Listen, Bron, what about pray?
Speaker 3: How about me? Pray for me? I gotta go to sleep.
Speaker 28: And I know this ain't way too smart like and
Speaker 28: we ate d D that ship you just said, like
Speaker 28: and you gotta sleep with yourself?
Speaker 3: You way too smart and with himself.
Speaker 7: No, I can't I get why he's rich and everything,
Speaker 7: but that they could figure out life.
Speaker 3: The boy happened like.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow was gonna have yo, I know, just stupid like
Speaker 4: like like like you know, what's the ship conspiracy?
Speaker 3: The ship with tom here's another question? He going like
Speaker 3: that Rock and then Rock kN ray Kawan wh is
Speaker 3: ray Kwan said, he's a great I think one of
Speaker 3: the best lyrious, one of the best lyricists. All be
Speaker 3: honest with you. He goes down. He's there.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of them past Beanie.
Speaker 3: I ain't think that far, but okay, Jada kiss past that.
Speaker 2: He's past that in that group.
Speaker 3: Okay, what we say, No, it's just not disrespectful. If
Speaker 3: you lost every rap about na, like yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Then who they are there? The elite lead We'll start
Speaker 3: coming off of that thing. Who's the guy, who's the one? Kanye?
Speaker 4: And let me this is why it's gonna get very
Speaker 4: controversy right now. Lyrics wise, listen, don't wanna stop.
Speaker 3: We're talking about lyrics.
Speaker 2: It's a different thing.
Speaker 3: Did you say it started?
Speaker 2: Because the thing that is starting of everything starting and starting?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, So now I need to understand
Speaker 3: your questions.
Speaker 4: So you're saying you understands of all times lyrics again, lyrics.
Speaker 3: I don't watch this. Let's move on. No, we started,
Speaker 3: it's not doing. It's not good for I gotta be careful, Yeah,
Speaker 3: be careful. No, I'm gonna be strenk Champs. You guys
Speaker 3: gotta get other people.
Speaker 4: But then they need to come and defend another thing
Speaker 4: about it. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you something. I am not politically working at all, though
Speaker 4: nobody pay me. I always said one drink, Champs, and
Speaker 4: you could record this I am. I said that for
Speaker 4: young recorded here's the crazy ship for young people. Because
Speaker 4: we had first started with CBS, Big up CBS.
Speaker 3: We have no problem with.
Speaker 2: Their no longer CBS.
Speaker 3: We are no longer as CBS, but they are longer
Speaker 3: CBS were longer CBS, and we drink champs. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: let me just say something.
Speaker 2: Well it sounds confusing, but go ahead.
Speaker 3: In a second.
Speaker 2: They gave us we're multiple deals.
Speaker 3: We got our lives the whole four style through. Ok So, look,
Speaker 3: so the thing about it, you got that Johnny Blue
Speaker 3: though I never but you know what, and I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to get shout of that because you took Johnny Blue
Speaker 3: is so smooth. I'm in, I'm not here, I'm in.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Powerfult be very happy, said Diagio. Brand.
Speaker 2: He's distributed everything.
Speaker 3: Why would he he'd be happy. It's a family brand. Guys, listen,
Speaker 3: how far you want to go to this conversation. This
Speaker 3: is what we do at dream Chat and listen, let
Speaker 3: me tell you something. That is that an auto take
Speaker 3: that I feel like you went away from you were saying,
Speaker 3: it's an audible Let me tell you something. What does
Speaker 3: that mean that? Listen? Change? I started noticing class.
Speaker 6: Pull out.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's okay, all sudden starts to be in Spanish,
Speaker 4: don't don't but stout like you've been.
Speaker 3: The guy to sit at because because let me just
Speaker 3: let me just.
Speaker 2: Big you up.
Speaker 3: For one second. Okay, please please, can let me get
Speaker 3: this for men? Like? The thing is this is just
Speaker 3: taking the I'll take a shot of that with you
Speaker 3: should take you? Are you drinking? I think I think
Speaker 3: it's time. I think it's not. I'll take a shot. Okay,
Speaker 3: I mean I'm talking about that. I'll do it. I
Speaker 3: don't I don't want you was the guys listen, I
Speaker 3: have to please. I need everybody to sit back and relax.
Speaker 3: I don't see. And the thing about style is no stout.
Speaker 2: I gotta big you up.
Speaker 3: Is you recognize hip hop was was? We were the
Speaker 3: new rock and rolls in my opinion? Can you let
Speaker 3: me big you up?
Speaker 2: Sorry, sir, I felt like you.
Speaker 3: Knew hip hop was the new rocking roll.
Speaker 2: And you got behind the two biggest.
Speaker 3: You got behind guns and roses. He wasn't involved with
Speaker 3: guns and roses. I'm giving an analogy.
Speaker 1: Analogy, this analogy. That's what people think that much. You
Speaker 1: got behind the biggest.
Speaker 3: People that we had.
Speaker 4: You had access to jay Z, you had access to nons,
Speaker 4: and you got behind them and you pushed them in every.
Speaker 3: Sure ever knew short what shout am I taking forgot?
Speaker 3: It's a Johnny Blue. We just said, thank shutting me down.
Speaker 3: You can tell, you can tell, right, you tell, I
Speaker 3: wasspect the ship. I just wanted to get money with
Speaker 3: you four years ago. This was that is not working
Speaker 3: out for me. It's not working out. That's right, got smoother,
Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, she comes.
Speaker 2: I'm drinking because when Johnny you want to give us everybody.
Speaker 3: Come on, you should just take this around. Guys have
Speaker 3: a great time. They're gonna be honest.
Speaker 2: It's a great Johnny Blue. I love you guys.
Speaker 3: It's very struggling than I thought it was. It's very slid.
Speaker 3: I think Johnny Blue should be part of this. Guys,
Speaker 3: tell PF just having it. It's no big deal.
Speaker 2: No tell us you want to on the bill.
Speaker 3: Let's do what you got. The guys will rock. You
Speaker 3: gotta coo me only obligators.
Speaker 4: What we do have?
Speaker 3: Gratis killer you all? What is it to kill you?
Speaker 3: A lot of you guys? Are you guys have tacos? Yeah?
Speaker 3: We should band.
Speaker 4: We could tell you've been in rap game since kidding
Speaker 4: play because you are drinking.
Speaker 3: I think that's incredible, man, I think that's incredible. What
Speaker 3: did I do my job when I think that's amazing
Speaker 3: is that I look young, by the way, forty seven.
Speaker 3: Goddamn I've been doing all my life. Oh no, it's not.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it since I was twenty one years old.
Speaker 3: Goddamn stuff. All I've done is watch ship. All I've
Speaker 3: do is watch artists go up and watch them fall
Speaker 3: off and watch them go up. Watch So that's twenty
Speaker 3: one years old. That's how I feed my family. I
Speaker 3: don't have no like.
Speaker 12: This is what I do.
Speaker 3: I'm like, talk to me. I'm not lying. I'm not
Speaker 3: making anything up. You lived and breathed it, every ounce
Speaker 3: of it, and I won't stop.
Speaker 6: And as soon as it starts to feel like I'm like,
Speaker 6: like I don't understand what's going on or some bullshit,
Speaker 6: I won't do it no more. I don't want I'm
Speaker 6: not corny. I'm not doing anything corny. I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: be last nigging the club doing dumb ship.
Speaker 3: Look at you, that's what that's actually we could make that.
Speaker 2: I mean, ever gave an artist like information?
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. That's awesome. You know I'm great.
Speaker 3: Have you ever gave artists like this information and you
Speaker 3: told him I'm good?
Speaker 2: I say my album bitch backwards say I do.
Speaker 4: I actually was not gonna nobody you ever ever gave
Speaker 4: some artists information and then it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the thing like and you're wrong, you were wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take fifty says its all the time. Fifty
Speaker 3: says it. Fifty.
Speaker 6: I said to him he shouldn't sign to uh Eminem's label.
Speaker 3: You said he shouldn't signed to end what he was
Speaker 3: saying there.
Speaker 6: What I was saying was if he was saying in
Speaker 6: the death row, because it's what he was saying was
Speaker 6: so fucking crazy and truthful and honest and hard. I
Speaker 6: didn't want him to get confused as this like guy
Speaker 6: who could have.
Speaker 3: Been slightly comical because Eminem had detwe what you yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: not a comical label, but just like a label that
Speaker 3: was great music.
Speaker 12: But because for some reason, I mean, I can't I
Speaker 12: don't think I can articulate it.
Speaker 6: But eve been a part of what they were doing
Speaker 6: that was like is this honest or is this shock value?
Speaker 6: And like, if Drake did it, it would be easy.
Speaker 6: And I was telling fifty, be easy, you're easy.
Speaker 3: But he couldn't have been that for shame fifty is
Speaker 3: one n he did. He did everything. He's a hard working.
Speaker 3: But where do y'all go on the Madison's Great Garden.
Speaker 3: We see the pictures we went where you know where
Speaker 3: we went wrong.
Speaker 6: We went wrong because I said that he didn't make
Speaker 6: a record a long time that was in and I
Speaker 6: say it on the radio station or something, and.
Speaker 3: He's seen it me like that, right, So he told
Speaker 3: it to you at the Nick game.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's right. I can't walk in God's footsteps.
Speaker 6: I'm not afraid of nothing, no, no what to think
Speaker 6: about it. But I'm not afraid. I'm not is the
Speaker 6: truth of the matter is. It's not like I was
Speaker 6: surprised when Puffy showed up in.
Speaker 3: My office after hit me now, but he didn't show
Speaker 3: up before guys showed up. I wasn't surprised. I'm not
Speaker 3: surprised when to the game and I seen he was
Speaker 3: with me when I see I'm not afraid. He's I'm
Speaker 3: not afraid of things, but I'm not. I'm not afraid
Speaker 3: of But this is actually different. This is doesn't make
Speaker 3: a difference. But when guys start talking at we're gonna
Speaker 3: kill you this that bullshoe No, you're just saying.
Speaker 6: That's how the business turns a problem into like the
Speaker 6: problem goes from this is a problem.
Speaker 3: To the real problems. We're gonna kill you. Well, we're
Speaker 3: gonna do this like Okay, great, sounds like a lot
Speaker 3: of people. It sounds like and then what it sounds
Speaker 3: like you? This is all nobody says that.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying. The underlying theme about beefing is what
Speaker 6: happens if you lose that?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna die? Is your all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you guys under standing when I say one word, what
Speaker 3: the fuck did you think I was saying?
Speaker 2: That was a lot of words?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think it got a little weird.
Speaker 4: War.
Speaker 3: It's a non stop, stop style. I'm in the business man.
Speaker 3: I'm doing this ship in a high lovel bro I'm
Speaker 3: not fucking around doing this ship for rain.
Speaker 6: I'm doing this ship at the hall level. I'm making millionaires. Yes,
Speaker 6: it's making a lot of money. I'm changing the way
Speaker 6: things happen. When you're in the front line, you gotta
Speaker 6: deal with front line things. You're CEO wartime piece, wartime CEO,
Speaker 6: peacetime CEO. I'm the CEO of war time in peacetime.
Speaker 6: This peacetime is cool.
Speaker 3: It's what time.
Speaker 6: You gotta deal with those type of things. You gotta
Speaker 6: be able to deal with that. And I love those guys.
Speaker 3: I respect those guys. I respect those guys. I respect
Speaker 3: those guys. If it was some bullshit I didn't respect that,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't care. I respect guys who I love what
Speaker 3: top dogs doing m hm, love it on his own rules.
Speaker 3: This is how we're doing this. We're gonna lose this.
Speaker 4: And you want how was it being the president in
Speaker 4: the school, because I can you woman describe how we
Speaker 4: looked at in the school.
Speaker 2: Was the first rap artist.
Speaker 3: Acadella was the first artist. You know, Akandela got running
Speaker 3: the other before Nons. I definitely did know. He's schooling
Speaker 3: to be right.
Speaker 21: Got the deal because because everybody got hooked on the
Speaker 21: re rate, that was the ship.
Speaker 3: Nobody even keep talking though everybody bought that. No rhymes,
Speaker 3: ah hooky things have a classic that's really digging deep.
Speaker 3: He was pulling bitches away. He's playing. Okay, how about this?
Speaker 3: Ally had Nas in the.
Speaker 6: One B position. Nas couldn't get a deal. Acannelly got
Speaker 6: other deals. It was like, yo, you know what put
Speaker 6: my nigga Nas on.
Speaker 3: Big.
Speaker 6: That's how fucked up things are. When our phone gets
Speaker 6: so big, the money gets involved, fucks everything up. I
Speaker 6: tell you, tell is my best friend.
Speaker 3: You go through talking.
Speaker 6: It's my best friend. You know why he's my best
Speaker 6: friend because until money. So that's fucking with girls or religion.
Speaker 6: You even know who your best friends are. Absolutely, and
Speaker 6: we've survived those topics, the things.
Speaker 3: That's why we're best friends. Best friends have to go
Speaker 3: through that thing and I can only and I is
Speaker 3: when Aconolic got the fame. He didn't say Nas was
Speaker 3: better than me. He was academy. He knew that he
Speaker 3: couldn't fuck with this man on the sixteen.
Speaker 6: I couldn't even you, crazy sneaker is all the world's
Speaker 6: past the margin.
Speaker 3: God, I'm the fucking bullshit. Put it in your mouth. God,
Speaker 3: shout out to that's my that's my guy. Man, you're going.
Speaker 6: That's how it goes, man, it's like that in the streets.
Speaker 6: It works like that music in business, man, you are you.
Speaker 3: Great or not?
Speaker 12: How do you feel about do you think the industry
Speaker 12: corrupted hip hop culture?
Speaker 6: I think that money comes in and when money comes in,
Speaker 6: but what's gonna happen is obvious, Like money comes in.
Speaker 3: And changes all of the outcomes. So that's some money
Speaker 3: does It's like it happened in rock music. You know,
Speaker 3: MTV goes on this eyes yeah.
Speaker 6: Hip hop, yeah, I mean like we needed all of
Speaker 6: a sudden. If you if you're gonna grow, the consequences
Speaker 6: of growth is mass adoption, and the massive adoption is corruption.
Speaker 3: That's all. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just the
Speaker 3: way it is.
Speaker 6: Rock and roll got big and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: it was guys. Look at White Snake. They were compared
Speaker 6: to Bruce Springsteen. White Snake is a rock at there's
Speaker 6: the rock ats they were doing. I always use White
Speaker 6: Snake as an example because White Snake, Nelly, Chaule, Ludi, Chris,
Speaker 6: they're all really talented people.
Speaker 3: They're all talented people, but they all have something in common.
Speaker 3: They had to follow the core truth of something and
Speaker 3: they were all.
Speaker 6: In all the world and sent advised to do something
Speaker 6: that wasn't really at the court of truth of the
Speaker 6: hip hop thing.
Speaker 3: Man, lay down here every day, you know, you gotta
Speaker 3: do this hip hop man. Like for me, I may
Speaker 3: not ever make a billion dollars. Everybody, but if I'm
Speaker 3: saying this on your show, just relaxed. Would ask somebody
Speaker 3: feeling that. But if I tell the truth and it
Speaker 3: takes me as far as I can go, that's a
Speaker 3: billion dollars. Man. The truth is that you're free, said matter.
Speaker 6: Fun with my man, I'm good. I'm gonna keep pushing
Speaker 6: ship forward. I know nobody can funk with me. They
Speaker 6: can try to talk to me, they can't funk with me.
Speaker 6: They can't even.
Speaker 3: It's close. It's as looks just still got that tell
Speaker 3: that SI stop.
Speaker 4: Look, I tried to be a member of so you
Speaker 4: you lost good? That stops and my wilding out Menimo,
Speaker 4: this is my first time being the memoir and.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter. Yea, you don't. It's I don't
Speaker 3: want mustache bed.
Speaker 29: Look, I'm saying, stop to say anything about me.
Speaker 3: But why do you think that's the right. Look? Stop
Speaker 3: coming up me, I think think about me. I'm gonna man,
Speaker 3: I got anything you gotta and young guys got the
Speaker 3: same bit.
Speaker 15: Man.
Speaker 3: You haven't talked to him about this. I talked about
Speaker 3: your friend. I don't want to know. Definitely needs a friend.
Speaker 3: Hamp Why you look a thing? Because I gotta relax you.
Speaker 3: But why do you want to thin? But you let
Speaker 3: off you like the Black Show. I guess what stop?
Speaker 3: I got your back with me. Wire mean stop, trust me,
Speaker 3: I got the crowd right. Don't go at me. My god,
Speaker 3: there's not even no money in your way. It's trying
Speaker 3: to figure out I love you stuff that mustache state
Speaker 3: it's better statement, but it's stuff. I'm part week. Stuff
Speaker 3: you can go to be racial, you know, and look,
Speaker 3: you gotta call over got it. He was so scared
Speaker 3: because you know he went at the l g B
Speaker 3: t B t B t B. You gotta realize you
Speaker 3: are safe. What did they say?
Speaker 4: You've never said no, you are phantastic. Everybody got scared
Speaker 4: cause I said l g B T Yo. Listen, they
Speaker 4: got all of us niggas show.
Speaker 3: I mean why you're good with the l g B
Speaker 3: T I'm rich. He loves am.
Speaker 2: I I'm looking to took a shot of that.
Speaker 3: I think right, that one you didn't take. That you
Speaker 3: avoided everything, but that one.
Speaker 2: Stars like a glory on the law, on the law.
Speaker 4: That's why we reconnect back then, because he's actually like, look, tone.
Speaker 3: Is ready to leave. It is important to me. I
Speaker 3: want my manning to get everything. You got something to say.
Speaker 3: You don't do this much. You know he's doing this
Speaker 3: because is on here. You want to say anything. You
Speaker 3: are the best at what you do and you don't
Speaker 3: talk about and still the best that with you, So
Speaker 3: you don't do this. That's my job. Track masses to
Speaker 3: top five, That.
Speaker 4: Lie I gotta stop for a second. Track Masters is
Speaker 4: top three. If a person ever bring up Nono, do.
Speaker 3: You want me to take this from me? A person
Speaker 3: ever bring up the top its producers.
Speaker 4: When you look at a person like NNS and you
Speaker 4: look at ill Man, and when you look at el
Speaker 4: Madic and Illmatic, to me, this is just me, and
Speaker 4: anybody can debate me, or anybody can say fuck you,
Speaker 4: no real anybody. But a lot of times when I
Speaker 4: want a person to study hip hop, I want them
Speaker 4: to start from Ellmatic and then I want you to
Speaker 4: go back. And when you go back and you study
Speaker 4: Ellmatic and then you go back. It was written was
Speaker 4: that first album?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 15: Is that it?
Speaker 3: And it was written it? It was so needy for
Speaker 3: oh fucking too, that sample, that sting sample from professional
Speaker 3: talking about that too, he said, No, I'm like Lona's
Speaker 3: dum I'm like Tom. Tom played that ship for me first.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I couldn't believe that I had And it
Speaker 3: was the first time in my life I knew I
Speaker 3: had a person that understood it like me. When he
Speaker 3: played that tample he played for me.
Speaker 6: He didn't play it for me like on some like
Speaker 6: he plays to me, Like, Yo, this ship is right,
Speaker 6: I said, I take it to Nas. Nas heard it
Speaker 6: and said, nah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to do it. Facts, I said, tell him,
Speaker 3: Nas want to make this record. I trust this guy's
Speaker 3: he's shovel. He's special, super special. He sees things. You
Speaker 3: gotta let him do his sting. Yeah, let him play
Speaker 3: his game.
Speaker 6: He's an awesome spades player too, You'll let him do
Speaker 6: his stink top five.
Speaker 3: By the way, jay Z stopped ducking me on the
Speaker 3: spades game. There's about of stuff and ship. You gotta relax.
Speaker 3: I'm about so he's doing this ship. He plays his
Speaker 3: ship for me. I'm like, I go back there. I
Speaker 3: was like, guy, you're gonna do this ship And I'm
Speaker 3: like if I could rot, it'd be terrible if I
Speaker 3: could rat, but I can't.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, and how you're not gonna wrap over
Speaker 6: this ship, and you hurt that ship, you hurt the message.
Speaker 6: The message is ridiculous. That's the way to start off
Speaker 6: on the album. But it took time to get there
Speaker 6: and Tone, Tone and Nas. I get a lot of
Speaker 6: credit for NAS's career, and but my insight, a lot
Speaker 6: of what I've done, it was really built off of
Speaker 6: my partners understanding.
Speaker 3: A thing.
Speaker 14: Like that. I like that.
Speaker 4: I really liked that, all right, and this and this
Speaker 4: your forget the right story I wanted to give My
Speaker 4: membership is so off.
Speaker 3: Look listen, I'm from left right. I used to shoot
Speaker 3: people who stached out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that you got you gotta realize playing Joe,
Speaker 3: he was feel was a shooter. To my say, is
Speaker 3: a legend. My share has never been fifty was you know.
Speaker 2: A stop shooting guys?
Speaker 3: I'm never shot that was Hey, buddy, you never to
Speaker 3: shoot his It was like you guys, just like it
Speaker 3: wasn't even like a thing like he's a shooter. Shot
Speaker 3: niggas too, was a shooter. Look under this ship tell
Speaker 3: us about you.
Speaker 6: But if you were a shooter, you weren't necessarily the
Speaker 6: boss Nigga you're pulling the team exactly the fact.
Speaker 3: Lead this side of the life. That's the fact. Let
Speaker 3: him talk.
Speaker 2: The shootings inside of life, real talk for that person.
Speaker 2: That of the is that life was decided.
Speaker 6: There was shoots, niggas shoot is like, that's the shooter.
Speaker 6: This that But if you were the Boss Snigger and
Speaker 6: you had a team together and you had a shooter on.
Speaker 3: The team, absolutely saying it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that, but how okar was it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 30: Like now, now you're probably the only person in the
Speaker 30: world that has access to to jay Z and Nas
Speaker 30: at the same time.
Speaker 3: Still still and and listen, I'm gonna just I'm gonna
Speaker 3: throw this out there. I look at them like the
Speaker 3: two tycoons. I look at them like the the fucking.
Speaker 2: Fast this is this is it.
Speaker 31: This is hip hop to me, these two guys you
Speaker 31: the only access to the tooist tycoons in the world.
Speaker 31: I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 3: Stop. If I was you, I would have did so
Speaker 3: crazy like I.
Speaker 2: Just pissed on people for the reason why they.
Speaker 3: Fig you up and big you up. This is what
Speaker 3: I would have did about it. I'll just pissed on people.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 15: Was pissed.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, stop, why the fuck is you
Speaker 4: that humble? And you had You're the only person in
Speaker 4: the world, in my opinion, that had access to them.
Speaker 4: Boll they guys, they went through it. How the fuck
Speaker 4: do you make and then and then listen if you
Speaker 4: have to maintain your relationships, bom, this is tycoons.
Speaker 3: This is not for vernal saurus. I don't even know
Speaker 3: what that.
Speaker 2: Just robbed me, not robbing me ours.
Speaker 3: This is why we this is why we get it
Speaker 3: get we make up dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: We make up dinosaurs and you're the only.
Speaker 3: Guy in the world. Is it awkward? Oh?
Speaker 6: Okay, don't start opening. Okay, tell me it's it's awkward
Speaker 6: because I mean I.
Speaker 3: Deserve to be in the room. M deserve what I
Speaker 3: deserve to be in the room. Okay, take it for me,
Speaker 3: you know, artist man of that level. My job is
Speaker 3: it's always make sure what do you need? I see,
Speaker 3: j what do you need? Now? As what do you need?
Speaker 3: I love these guys. I don't care about the money. Man.
Speaker 3: If I mean it about money, it would be different. Mm.
Speaker 3: But it's not about money. I love those guys. I
Speaker 3: can't even believe I know both of those guys. I
Speaker 3: speak to them. There's not a week that goes by.
Speaker 3: I don't speak Then and jay Z. I speak you crazy.
Speaker 3: It's to me that that's a crazy idea. I speak
Speaker 3: Then and jay Z every week or every day, all
Speaker 3: the time. It has nothing to do with anything. It's real.
Speaker 3: It's a real relationship. You have people you speak to
Speaker 3: you every other.
Speaker 28: Day, and mean you aren't seeking trying to make it
Speaker 28: a normal thing that you even know what that's done
Speaker 28: on a normal day.
Speaker 11: That's not normal.
Speaker 3: It's it's not.
Speaker 4: Your listen stuff, and it's just this comes. A part
Speaker 4: of me begging you up is because you were the
Speaker 4: only person in the hip hop who could have fixed
Speaker 4: that situation.
Speaker 3: They're not to take credit for it.
Speaker 2: You don't take credit for No.
Speaker 3: No, you don't understand how great they are. They don't.
Speaker 3: It's fucking Shakespeare and Picasso. It's not really a thing.
Speaker 6: It's Shakespeare. If you're making Shakespeare, Picasso's no problem. They
Speaker 6: don't argue with each other or fight with each other.
Speaker 3: They're like.
Speaker 6: Great, but no, damn, ye don't believe he believe the things.
Speaker 6: The way they see the world I can't believe I'm
Speaker 6: around it.
Speaker 3: But but but but stop, but stop, let me just
Speaker 3: let me just pick you up once and once again.
Speaker 4: You're probably the only person that had access to the
Speaker 4: most toof No.
Speaker 3: But see, Puff had bad Boy and he had I
Speaker 3: had no Yeah, I had no alterium motives that so
Speaker 3: I got everything. Nigga finished my sentence. That was the
Speaker 3: exact sentence I was saying, was a lot of people
Speaker 3: had as motives are. I don't want you to drop
Speaker 3: a lot of I'm sorry, I was. I was trying
Speaker 3: to have you people.
Speaker 4: But you was the only guy that in the middle,
Speaker 4: prior to the beef, in between the beef, and after
Speaker 4: the beef, that had access to the two most.
Speaker 3: Likes the part of the show.
Speaker 4: But you had access to the most Nigga's two icons
Speaker 4: and hip hop.
Speaker 3: You need I.
Speaker 4: No, but how how does that feel to be when
Speaker 4: access to the two biggest icons ever in hip hop?
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you, as a person
Speaker 3: that that know you, like halfway know you, I know you.
Speaker 3: You was uncomfortable during that that situation was I was
Speaker 3: not uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: You wasn't more than that James Beef. You wasn't at all,
Speaker 4: because when beef is clear, No, we know it wasn't.
Speaker 3: No apology.
Speaker 2: Continue like he's a queen's nigga. You can want him
Speaker 2: to sit. No, he's for queens you know and other
Speaker 2: queens nigga.
Speaker 3: I apologize. Continue.
Speaker 23: So the best ropers of all time? You want to
Speaker 23: go there and now that later because it was of
Speaker 23: all task Yo, science what you're doing?
Speaker 3: Queen?
Speaker 4: No, I don't remember our engineers the Queens, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Anybody else from Queens operated green You from Queens.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we could debate the best rappers of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 3: From wherever they're from. You don't Miami. Nobody ever says, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you Miami a bro as and H and
Speaker 3: L and.
Speaker 6: Fucking trap Corp. Queens, Uh huh, your Rockums on Island
Speaker 6: and Bob.
Speaker 22: D Okay, you deleting all the West Coast Crew was
Speaker 22: one of the best to do it too.
Speaker 3: Queens.
Speaker 2: You're not accepting that.
Speaker 3: Queens? Oh okay, that was battling you got. The battle
Speaker 3: is always Queens versus Brooklyn. It's not even close.
Speaker 11: Okay, you wins every time.
Speaker 3: He has better rappers and broke to you. My friend too.
Speaker 3: I got Big and jay Z, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to tell you. I got Nas, I got
Speaker 3: your Chea Rod, I got trap Cake Quest, I got
Speaker 3: Big Daddy. I ever got lots.
Speaker 11: I haven't Big Daddy Kane.
Speaker 23: You know, Big Daddy's this big L, BIGL.
Speaker 3: Come on, you know Big Daddy Kane really literally literally
Speaker 3: just shake the left of this first album. Wow, I
Speaker 3: wasn't I wasn't ready. What's the second album? You don't know?
Speaker 3: He wasn't all. I was google that. Let's turn out, yo,
Speaker 3: I love Dophins was the second alum Big, Big Daddy,
Speaker 3: Big Madonna. Yeah, that was. This was so realized. You
Speaker 3: already saying everything. We're saying things. I think Big Daddy
Speaker 3: Cane didn't fall off to Big Daddy Came. It is
Speaker 3: a two fucking ridiculous rapping kids rap.
Speaker 6: Big Daddy Came did not have the fucking j No,
Speaker 6: you need, motherfucking it's not even experience.
Speaker 3: You need what Nigga got, like the the ability to
Speaker 3: run the long race, the long run. He can't fuck Madonna.
Speaker 3: Come on, Madonna. That was like career stop.
Speaker 4: List stop to stop me, please, it's not listen stop listen.
Speaker 4: Let me pick you up right now, because if you
Speaker 4: listen right here, that's no problem. No, no, I'm just
Speaker 4: telling you. If you're saying Big Daddy Kane had a
Speaker 4: better career Rock.
Speaker 2: Cam, nobody said that he did.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't rock rock him. What are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Right?
Speaker 2: The worst of best at the.
Speaker 8: Rock rock Kim had that first album was classic, second
Speaker 8: album was dope.
Speaker 3: Then I mean, I mean rock Kim.
Speaker 11: The lyricist rock him is come on the still there.
Speaker 3: But I think Big Daddy King's career was a better
Speaker 3: career rock. Do you think Big Day Kim is a
Speaker 3: better one better than rock Cam? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3: He said career better than rocket career had.
Speaker 8: LJ has a better rap career than most people.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to be in conversation talking about
Speaker 3: how about who do you think you had a better
Speaker 3: career ice Cube or right? Career? Is ice Cube as
Speaker 3: a rapper?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 3: As a rapper? The problems get tough. That's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 3: That's that's a very tough saying. Career overall is.
Speaker 4: Ice c what's getting played? The guy that had just
Speaker 4: didn't the kapper Knap we'll see and Bill Moore? Bill Moore, Yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Are you doing? You know they listen the black community
Speaker 3: fried kidd and play. Do you understand what I'm saying? Stuff?
Speaker 4: I fried kidd't play because Kidd and play was the
Speaker 4: he posed as the white.
Speaker 3: Guy you're being. Was that crazy?
Speaker 2: Was that crazy as the.
Speaker 3: Person what you're doing right now? I know what that like?
Speaker 3: That know what? That great?
Speaker 4: And that's very disrespectful because because sometimes we don't want
Speaker 4: I'm just asking.
Speaker 3: I'm asking because you know, I'm just a journalist. This
Speaker 3: is a journalist A question at this point is this
Speaker 3: when it starts.
Speaker 4: Listen, we respect you, Steve Stout. I just want you
Speaker 4: to know that in case you didn't know that, I respect.
Speaker 4: Ship is clean, nor ship is clean clean.
Speaker 3: Yes, and you you did Lisa. Let's left I too, right,
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that. He said left file first.
Speaker 6: She passed away. Yes, we had her first. You know
Speaker 6: it's not any medium. I want to man more respectful.
Speaker 3: I pologized, said, was my girlfriend very early my Careerly,
Speaker 3: that's beautiful. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about sex. No, no,
Speaker 3: that's sex. I didn't say that. I said you had
Speaker 3: you was with that's that's like one of the biggest
Speaker 3: with themself thirteen million.
Speaker 12: Even that condolence is actually you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 12: like like that must have been hurtful.
Speaker 2: Man, she ain't trying to burn.
Speaker 3: Your off down right. He took it like, no, try.
Speaker 3: We all heard. We all heard it. You you you
Speaker 3: know I'm wrong. You haven't heard. We all heard for that,
Speaker 3: and I would imagine you heard more. It was tough.
Speaker 3: She was talented, man, she's super talented.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yo, ho' done everything, by the way. That's that's how
Speaker 3: that's for me.
Speaker 22: People want to manage my manager, I crib you cat
Speaker 22: down pictures in him left.
Speaker 3: I just chilling, like go on vacation. I'm like, you
Speaker 3: know how, Like I'm looking at him like, how do
Speaker 3: you even know the s girl? Oh you're swimming in
Speaker 3: the water, swimming underwater, snorkeling. Yeah, pictures on the water.
Speaker 2: There stopping rich fava.
Speaker 3: You know what under the water. You know you drink
Speaker 3: all the good wine by yourself?
Speaker 2: No, I love it comes, I'll hang out, wanting to
Speaker 2: hang for twenty.
Speaker 3: This is this. Don't glad you got my phone number?
Speaker 3: Now we're gonna make it.
Speaker 4: I've been hitting right, you don't make it right. We've
Speaker 4: been coordinating, Yes, we've been coldly.
Speaker 3: You think that your mustache for bats right, I'm so
Speaker 3: comfort you're taking this pi a right either a go?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 3: What's wrong?
Speaker 26: I niggas on the what's the game of thrones? Because
Speaker 26: I don't want to just do you think there's a
Speaker 26: thing called tooth thin?
Speaker 3: I have no idea about. But let's say, coming off
Speaker 3: your go to tooth thin.
Speaker 2: Every other CEO to one hit, you take one hit?
Speaker 3: What're not doing?
Speaker 14: Man?
Speaker 2: You're taking another shot it?
Speaker 3: Yes, let's do it. Let's do it. Come on, I'm
Speaker 3: hearing it. I'm here, let's get let's give another tackle
Speaker 3: and listen seem.
Speaker 4: Style track master's tone. We want you all to know
Speaker 4: that we love y'all. We appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3: What y'all doing. W's where's cruise supporting me? Finished? We
Speaker 3: finished that, finished while.
Speaker 4: Made so many queens niggas, which I made it known
Speaker 4: to all my crew, and I told him, this is
Speaker 4: a guy. We gotta make sure his red carpet is
Speaker 4: laid out. We gotta make sure, thank you, we gotta
Speaker 4: make sure. We gotta make sure that that's why we
Speaker 4: had whiskey.
Speaker 6: I hate you, by the way, Listen, all bulls should
Speaker 6: have started. I'm grateful to be here. Thank you what
Speaker 6: you did, what you're doing. But you guys are doing
Speaker 6: it's not it's not not important.
Speaker 3: Whe does you make a lot of money or a
Speaker 3: little bit of money, It's important, Okay. I can't for us.
Speaker 3: I came here.
Speaker 6: Because if he didn't, we didn't have a one on
Speaker 6: one that I wouldn't do it. I love him, I
Speaker 6: love him too, and I just want to like keep
Speaker 6: pushing comfort forward, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't care about the other city. I just don't care.
Speaker 3: And I've been in a lot of rooms, with a
Speaker 3: lot of people, a lot.
Speaker 6: Of places, but hasn't changed my love for the for
Speaker 6: the art form, for the music, for what we all
Speaker 6: while we all have.
Speaker 3: When I when I pulled up and.
Speaker 6: I see the graffiti, I felt comfortable. I love graffiti.
Speaker 6: Graffiti means your home. Graffiti's like signs that equal oh
Speaker 6: you're on your way home.
Speaker 3: And I love that shit. So drink Champs and puff
Speaker 3: and vault and I know you're tired and shit, but listen, listen,
Speaker 3: let me tell you something. Stun I want you to
Speaker 3: understand this. This is one thing that I will. I
Speaker 3: would like the hip hop culture to understand.
Speaker 4: We finally have a platform where we probably have a
Speaker 4: thing where you can come here and you can promote
Speaker 4: your fitting head.
Speaker 3: And I'm a person like I have a platinum platu,
Speaker 3: I have four gold plaques. Yeah, I've got that.
Speaker 4: So when it's come timetable to promote something or talk
Speaker 4: to something.
Speaker 32: Who want our people to come to us first? And
Speaker 32: I feel like I owner everywhere here right now.
Speaker 3: Live in Miami. You gotta place, and you gotta place
Speaker 3: in New York too. You want me some nos in me?
Speaker 3: Tell them.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying this style. This is what I was
Speaker 4: trying to say to you. It's like, why not we
Speaker 4: just all support us no matter where it is?
Speaker 3: Aware that you could come up with a I don't
Speaker 3: know what this is. This is fly, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me what this is called? This is
Speaker 3: a bag that holds wine? A bag that holds wine?
Speaker 3: Set up is right? And these ideas that they made
Speaker 3: with debasing the guys, this is different colors, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a queen figure for real. Let's make
Speaker 3: some nice.
Speaker 4: But but no this is real ship to think about
Speaker 4: hip hop. I just want to continue to support hip hop.
Speaker 4: What I mean by that style is hear me out.
Speaker 4: Of course, we could go to the traditional radio system, right,
Speaker 4: we could go to the traditional you know, sitting.
Speaker 3: Down with who we sat down with before. But let
Speaker 3: me just tell you something. The people didn't sat down with.
Speaker 3: Don't listen. Listen.
Speaker 6: He used to go around all around the country having
Speaker 6: dumb conversations trying to realize.
Speaker 3: But what I realized is this back in the days
Speaker 3: when we used to sell drugs in New York City.
Speaker 3: We used to sell drugs in New York City.
Speaker 4: But everybody used to get up or become rich if
Speaker 4: they go out of town.
Speaker 3: I bet you all your friends. The maker used to say,
Speaker 3: I'm going out of town and I'm getting rich. The
Speaker 3: thing about it is.
Speaker 2: Next getting rich is SoundCloud.
Speaker 4: Getting riches is staying right there selling your own product.
Speaker 2: In the same place.
Speaker 3: Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Yes, that's
Speaker 3: why Jay went to four the four forty four. He
Speaker 3: went and he sold it to only Sprint customers. Are
Speaker 3: you understand what I'm trying to say?
Speaker 33: So now we're doing a lot of things yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 33: and yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm gonna do what I'm
Speaker 33: gonna of course, Man, you're saying all the right things.
Speaker 3: How happy to be here? Man, this hip hop gonna
Speaker 3: But you went from me it's hip hop? Will ever
Speaker 3: get any bigger? Oh no, we're still in the beginning it.
Speaker 6: That's the part that as long as we grab that,
Speaker 6: I'm there and I'm gonna work with the guys that
Speaker 6: people don't even think it's dope. You don't like the
Speaker 6: Little YACHTI is dope. Fucking I'm fucking with Lil Yachty.
Speaker 6: I'm fucking with what you're doing with their handshake, talking
Speaker 6: with everybody. If you were pushing culture forward, it's dope.
Speaker 6: It's wrapped, it's graffiti, it's this, it's that, it's fuck you.
Speaker 3: It's the truth. We don't have to like it.
Speaker 6: Old school niggas don't have to like it. But the
Speaker 6: truth of the matter is old school niggas who liked
Speaker 6: the beginning of Bob Dyling, they didn't like it, was like,
Speaker 6: what is that? I like Bob Deylan? What the fun
Speaker 6: is Nirvana? If you like Bob Dylan in the seventies,
Speaker 6: why would you like Nirvana.
Speaker 3: Like how Mellanan were dressing either.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that how Melion dressed even exactly. But
Speaker 6: as time goes on, you just have to keep going
Speaker 6: with the art form. You gotta understand what the truth is.
Speaker 6: And he keeps resetting itself. Alonzo Ball, Alonzo Ball.
Speaker 3: I don't know. He looks like missus Softy go away,
Speaker 3: like the whole look. You like his look. I don't
Speaker 3: like the way he plays. Man. He came out brother,
Speaker 3: how would he come at? Nah, he's a bum anywhere
Speaker 3: at all. He said, he's a bumb His father wants
Speaker 3: me to him. You know how great that he used
Speaker 3: to have won. Let's phone call. I need phone calls.
Speaker 3: I'm not looking at for phone calls. So goad, no,
Speaker 3: you got me. He was the first person that I
Speaker 3: just think he got. He got working and magic, magic
Speaker 3: endorse some he got working deal. You got magic the homie,
Speaker 3: right is it?
Speaker 6: It's magic the homie. You got to see if magic's
Speaker 6: the homie, massic the homie to me is magic the homie.
Speaker 6: He is this nigga running around shooting on nas.
Speaker 3: We can't do that. That's that's how you shoot ones
Speaker 3: walking around with a stupid face. You like his face?
Speaker 2: Anybody didn't like his face?
Speaker 3: We're doing it? Guys, what are you doing?
Speaker 17: Man?
Speaker 3: Got in the own name? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: There's a new thing we need to work out. Face
Speaker 3: the floor ratio Cat's out break that down it's from
Speaker 3: bigging of his friend. You don't think so what is
Speaker 3: it doing?
Speaker 15: On?
Speaker 3: Is from and in tones? Mind? Tone is texting you
Speaker 3: right now like I feel like you. No, he has
Speaker 3: some reduces from or increases price. We come listen, I'm
Speaker 3: gona be honest. They bring in the world is gonna
Speaker 3: but that is the one to miss, Queen. That's how
Speaker 3: queens is getting down. Kid. You know what am I saying? No, totally,
Speaker 3: you're just being Queen's the think about it. The world
Speaker 3: was gonna be like that? Did that now? I know? Really, Queen,
Speaker 3: this is bad. I don't know how you feel your
Speaker 3: job at No, I have no job to face race.
Speaker 3: I have no idea his face, it is it. The
Speaker 3: CEOs is always the worst. You listen, Look, you're trying
Speaker 3: to act like.
Speaker 7: What am I saying that?
Speaker 3: Shong, No, it's a beautiful thing. This is this is
Speaker 3: what we do.
Speaker 4: We love entertainment. Let's keep going Stout and you are
Speaker 4: a beautiful guest. I love you, and you know, listen Stout,
Speaker 4: I wanna be honest.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. We had Leon, we had Kevin Lows.
Speaker 4: But when people told me that Stout wanted to do
Speaker 4: the show, I was so excited. One because you're from
Speaker 4: Queen's and I wanted to big up my fellow Queen's partner,
Speaker 4: but to because given like one of the unreachable guys,
Speaker 4: it should be in the industry, like the unreachable like
Speaker 4: like like it's hard, like if you don't need a
Speaker 4: private life, break that down, like.
Speaker 3: I don't do that. I don't need it. You know what,
Speaker 3: I don't need it. What I love is I love.
Speaker 3: I love the space, I love I love the honest
Speaker 3: about ship. I love laughing laughingly is the best, laughing.
Speaker 6: Fantastic, And like, I think we missed a lot of
Speaker 6: ship tonight. I think I don't know when I'm gonna
Speaker 6: do this ship.
Speaker 15: I don't.
Speaker 3: Think we missed a lot of ship because like what
Speaker 3: what what? What do you think we best more nuances
Speaker 3: that will push it on the edge, But we didn't
Speaker 3: like when when what's his name? The white guy who
Speaker 3: made all the money in the radio and radio how Howard.
Speaker 6: Started, but how it starts, you gotta go further, like
Speaker 6: when really touching all the way when I tell the truth,
Speaker 6: somebody has to hate him.
Speaker 3: I'm not making this out, So you want to you
Speaker 3: want to go there? Like because the thing.
Speaker 6: Because somebody has to say ship that's so fucked up,
Speaker 6: but it's true. Like but like how would Stir would
Speaker 6: say things about Madonna? Like somebody has to say something
Speaker 6: man like like I'm not making anything else.
Speaker 3: There's way more ship.
Speaker 6: We all the artists that we touched, all the things
Speaker 6: that we touched, we didn't tell the truth.
Speaker 3: We told most of the truth.
Speaker 2: So we're talking.
Speaker 3: About want to go there, okay, because we don't really
Speaker 3: want You just said we want to go there. We
Speaker 3: want to go there because the thing about it is you,
Speaker 3: the person who you have a book called America.
Speaker 4: That's right in America means you was making it all
Speaker 4: one series.
Speaker 3: So think about it once. Okay, Okay, I'm going there
Speaker 3: now now. I was, I was I was going to last.
Speaker 3: I wanted to my SOHO House card. But I'm gonna last.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that next year. No, no, no, not
Speaker 3: mean two.
Speaker 2: Weeks, right, But listen, so stout think about it.
Speaker 3: I can definitely eat it. So it's not more style.
Speaker 3: Let me live. So stout the thing about it? And
Speaker 3: when when when? When?
Speaker 14: You know what?
Speaker 4: But when thinking people think about it and they think
Speaker 4: about people like who's successful like you, people like successful
Speaker 4: like day, people successful like dam They always allude.
Speaker 3: To these people. Who is an aluminating there answer, I
Speaker 3: didn't know what they're talking about. That I am not.
Speaker 3: I am not successful in the dame category, in the
Speaker 3: category the dame category.
Speaker 6: When you said people like you like dame, I am
Speaker 6: successful in the the category of like I can't believe
Speaker 6: this nigga did that.
Speaker 3: I am not in the success I'm not in the
Speaker 3: category of like Illuminati, this, that and the third.
Speaker 6: I went past all of those things. I just want
Speaker 6: you to know that I don't wanna. I don't wanna.
Speaker 6: I don't wanna be mistaken by the guy who did well,
Speaker 6: who came from hip hop, who's stuck in that?
Speaker 3: No? Mm well, I guess the segue is, is is
Speaker 3: there an Illuminati? No? That's bullshit. No, No, that part
Speaker 3: is bullshit. I so want you to know that I've
Speaker 3: that I don't want that thing of those things to
Speaker 3: distort the truth. The truth of the matter is those
Speaker 3: are just like speed bumps doing the right thing.
Speaker 6: No Illumini, those are fake words. Man, there's no Illumina.
Speaker 6: There's no gathering of people saying we're gonna do this.
Speaker 6: There's no version of like like no, no, no, I
Speaker 6: never even never even call me for that party. I
Speaker 6: attend that party.
Speaker 3: I believe that Earth game like D and master P
Speaker 3: and two short and E forty and this that and
Speaker 3: the third, and you keep.
Speaker 6: Going, we're pushing something that's bigger than us forward, and
Speaker 6: all we hope is that at one point somebody says,
Speaker 6: these are the guys who pushed it. But while we're
Speaker 6: pushing it, we'd have no idea for We're going to
Speaker 6: have to get credit for it. I go to San Francist,
Speaker 6: see forty.
Speaker 3: It's like how much money I.
Speaker 6: Made or how much money forty made, or it doesn't
Speaker 6: even reflected our conversation. I see Chamellionaire was telling me
Speaker 6: a story the other day that was ridiculously fantastic. I
Speaker 6: don't know, when you're pushing something forward that's something that's
Speaker 6: bigger than you, you removed yourself from the equation, and
Speaker 6: you keep doing.
Speaker 3: That one thing.
Speaker 6: So when you say, oh, he's from Queens this, I'm
Speaker 6: pushing Queen's Oakland, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, all that shit, Compton,
Speaker 6: all that shit.
Speaker 3: I'm pushing all that shit forward.
Speaker 12: But mind you, he said Chameleionaire. So I think that's
Speaker 12: a lesson to be learned as well. People haven't heard
Speaker 12: Kamillion in the entertainment space.
Speaker 3: Communionare is a smart guy. He's been in entrepreneur entrepreneurship.
Speaker 3: I follow communion I feel it, and I don't care
Speaker 3: about that part. You're smart, you're talented. Let's push culture forward.
Speaker 3: That's what this show is. That's why I'm here. Drink Champions,
Speaker 3: And you may think you're doing something that's like uh drinking.
Speaker 6: You guys are pushing culture flowing. Man, you guys are doing.
Speaker 6: That's what you're doing. That's why I'm here.
Speaker 3: I'm not. All the other practs of it are meaningless.
Speaker 6: The part that's the most meaningful is that if you
Speaker 6: come here you say something, the world may actually hear
Speaker 6: it and actually do something as a.
Speaker 3: Result of it. Well I don't, I'm not. I don't
Speaker 3: need to be here to be hot, they became get hot.
Speaker 3: I don't do that. No, no, no, no, no no
Speaker 3: get hot.
Speaker 15: No.
Speaker 3: But stout. The only part that we want to correct
Speaker 3: you is is because we want to respect.
Speaker 4: Our culture, our coach is the only thing that I
Speaker 4: could only be disappointed in hip hop is when people
Speaker 4: get old and hip hop and people don't want to
Speaker 4: respect him. I just can't allow him, Like I can't
Speaker 4: allow that, Like I can't allow brother.
Speaker 3: I just can't. I just can't.
Speaker 4: I have to feel like I feel like nah I
Speaker 4: should be respected for the breast of his life. I
Speaker 4: feel like Jay should be respected for the rest of
Speaker 4: his life. And guess what, I'm gonna fuck y'all up
Speaker 4: right now. I feel like Javel the damage is even
Speaker 4: respect man, but maybe not respect us now his home.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But he still should be respected like we should our culture.
Speaker 4: Why why don't we like to think about rock and roll?
Speaker 31: Is they always respect?
Speaker 3: What was the guy? I had Carross Wimmers in my office.
Speaker 3: He was it when he was there. Yeah, those are
Speaker 3: my guys. You look at my brother. I got him.
Speaker 3: So Carross one came to my office and we were talking.
Speaker 3: This is rich.
Speaker 6: Stop this is chtop because of the office. I meet
Speaker 6: him and Chris says the man that he was homeless,
Speaker 6: going like this, mm hmm. He's beating this on the wall.
Speaker 6: And the guy who was hearing this is a guy
Speaker 6: who works in the homeless facility and that's Scotland Rock.
Speaker 3: And that's how they made the bridges of him. He
Speaker 3: was homeless when he made the record, No, he was,
Speaker 3: he was crazy. He's telling you this. He's a homeless
Speaker 3: guy begging against the wall. And the guy who has
Speaker 3: the big says, who the fuck is doing that?
Speaker 6: And then those guys make the bridges over and they
Speaker 6: sell the rights to that song to a company who
Speaker 6: distributes porn.
Speaker 3: You know what, I have.
Speaker 2: Stops childhood right there, you're telling.
Speaker 3: Us, and you know what, because they can't get out
Speaker 3: and when the song finally gets out through this porn distributions. Okay, no, no,
Speaker 3: it was a poor company put out Buggie down reducta. Yes, the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't get a record there. That's how these
Speaker 6: things gone. The beginning and the innovation of everything has
Speaker 6: to pay damages to people who don't understand, people who
Speaker 6: don't believe it, and all.
Speaker 3: Of the other altercations of what means to go forward.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 6: It's no big deal. He's a homeless guy. He was
Speaker 6: shipping on em C shan when he was homeless. Ask him,
Speaker 6: he'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Yes, Chris, he was homeless. If you and he no,
Speaker 3: I'm seeing from him he was homeless, couldn't. I'm going
Speaker 3: he kept hearing this ship.
Speaker 2: He's in there and he's doing He's like, it's tight
Speaker 2: for the proms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy and he's homeless. Tell these guys need
Speaker 3: the whole thing, right. These guys were not fucking around.
Speaker 3: These guys are the real guys. Man.
Speaker 4: So now you, as a person that's an innovative hippie,
Speaker 4: you see how much intricate they were in their rhymes
Speaker 4: and how they put it together.
Speaker 3: And now you're still like the market genius. And now
Speaker 3: I know you as a person who started from kidding
Speaker 3: the play.
Speaker 4: And now you see these new guys because they ever
Speaker 4: bother you that they're not doing.
Speaker 3: The same work that you've seen these people doing back then.
Speaker 3: Well you're just still like the fuck it, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get the bread. It's not even about the bread.
Speaker 6: I see it, I see the guy, I see parents,
Speaker 6: I see love, I see the difference between how you
Speaker 6: grew up and what matters to you versus what matters
Speaker 6: to them.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't even think about it
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I was a cool herk when I
Speaker 2: cut you.
Speaker 6: I was in cool hirt fucking six months ago. Nobody
Speaker 6: even talks to cool Heart actually think I was with
Speaker 6: cool Hirk for I was. I was with cool Work
Speaker 6: talking to make sure you know how hard it is
Speaker 6: that famous Coolhork. You even know who norig is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, No, stop, you know hard
Speaker 3: it is for cool Work. Don't even know who he
Speaker 3: is or you know who you are. That's cool hurt.
Speaker 3: You don't even about you from what you did.
Speaker 6: Cool Heart is not even talking right, Cool cool her
Speaker 6: barely talks to me. You he's not talking to me right.
Speaker 6: I speak to Dapper Dad.
Speaker 3: I speak the cool Hurt because I love what they
Speaker 3: did and whatever what happens to me. The cool the
Speaker 3: fucking Dapa, dang Gucci deal, your motherfucking writing to me,
Speaker 3: talked about that they gotta take that man goes on.
Speaker 2: Let me just stop.
Speaker 6: I can't believe how long this conversation's that's because I.
Speaker 9: Believe if I really told its first started, I feel
Speaker 9: like you first started and you said you've seen something
Speaker 9: about Dapper Dam.
Speaker 2: They got posted it was a It wasn't even Dabadam.
Speaker 4: You posted a lout a tone sure that Dapper Dan
Speaker 4: actually designed, and I'm not correct.
Speaker 3: You saying correct. You jacked me earlier. For you you've
Speaker 3: seen the whole ship.
Speaker 2: If you knew my ship was right.
Speaker 3: I just want you to know I respect you and
Speaker 3: I wanted to be sent. You've seen that. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: have to go. Even people was like he's good style.
Speaker 3: This ain't no free lyrics. The thing was we seen that.
Speaker 3: M hm, where good too?
Speaker 6: About niggas jack this man, this man is a legend.
Speaker 6: Dapper Dadda Dan is a legend. Dapper Dan is the
Speaker 6: reason why everybody wears Gucci and Louis Baitan and everything
Speaker 6: to this day. You don't have to know why, and
Speaker 6: you don't have to. Don't argue with me, don't be
Speaker 6: like fuck him and fuck you and you're old, and
Speaker 6: don't listen.
Speaker 3: I'm and this guy was doing everything. This guy was
Speaker 3: taking his ship and making.
Speaker 6: Sweatpants fitting, sweatshirts fitting, putting Louis vuittand and mcm and
Speaker 6: lash niggas cars. He was putting together an outfit for
Speaker 6: drug dealers and we all as droppers and then we
Speaker 6: copy drug dealers. He did it, and then they shut
Speaker 6: him down.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 6: They shut him down because Mike Tyson beat up. Mike
Speaker 6: Tyson beat up a boxer. Mike Tyson whipped the nigga
Speaker 6: in the ring for the money and then beat the
Speaker 6: nigga up.
Speaker 3: In real life, this dream mich greed.
Speaker 2: Let's greed's great.
Speaker 3: And in the world realized what is this place that
Speaker 3: people go to at night? And Bobby Ground.
Speaker 4: Sniff and Coke's about the cocaine stories saying Bobby Brown.
Speaker 3: Somebody thought that's wrong.
Speaker 6: I shouldn't say Bobby Brown is stepping coke because you
Speaker 6: thought he was sniffing something else. No, you thought he
Speaker 6: was sniffing coke. I just said it, Bobby Brown was
Speaker 6: sniffing coke. Bobby Brown is hitting you out with the
Speaker 6: Bobby jaw.
Speaker 3: Way before birthday, Murder had a birdie. Ain't didn't have it. No, No,
Speaker 3: he had a song of murd.
Speaker 15: Love.
Speaker 3: He did something. His jaw was like this before that,
Speaker 3: way before that, I don't know you're talking about. So
Speaker 3: did Dapper Dan is doing this and they come in
Speaker 3: on him. How do you have Mike Tyson beating up
Speaker 3: niggas the heavyweight champion in the world. Well, he used
Speaker 3: to explain it. He can't explain it. He shut him.
Speaker 6: Now they shut down Dappa Dad, but he may leave
Speaker 6: it time in Gucci at mcn everything that young urban
Speaker 6: black Latinos niggas. None of us could fit a size too.
Speaker 6: I may be bigger than all y'all niggas, but none
Speaker 6: of y'all could fit a size too. They were making
Speaker 6: sise twos. He was making custom made sweatsuits for all
Speaker 6: of us, and they shut them down.
Speaker 3: And I figured out twenty five thirty years later, we're
Speaker 3: gonna get it back. And now we get it back,
Speaker 3: and then we open up a Dappa Dan store and
Speaker 3: Gucci in Harlem Gucci, So we're using sop all of
Speaker 3: the prints from eighty two to eighty five. That's what
Speaker 3: we're doing. We're making Dapa damn shit, and that's what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it.
Speaker 4: This is as a person, like as a person just
Speaker 4: looking from the outside, and I felt like you went
Speaker 4: crazy on Instagram at first because they.
Speaker 3: Had actually had a Louire baton. Did I go do
Speaker 3: that kind of insta heart? Did I? I don't want
Speaker 3: to do that hard JB. Yeah, yeah, you went home?
Speaker 3: What did I do?
Speaker 2: This is what I really wish I would wish I
Speaker 2: had't your number.
Speaker 4: You gotta get this on your chance, like because it
Speaker 4: was like it was something man, it was like it
Speaker 4: was a Luton, it was a girl.
Speaker 15: It wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be saying sorry, you know what I
Speaker 3: don't want to be. I want to be the guy.
Speaker 6: I want to I want to be a guy who
Speaker 6: I want to move country for. I don't want to
Speaker 6: be disrespectful. And if I was wrong and where a person,
Speaker 6: I didn't want to do that. I'm not gonna let
Speaker 6: this guy get robbed. I'm not gonna let you get robbed.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna let you get robbed. Somebody starts this
Speaker 6: thing right now. They put three guys here and do
Speaker 6: a version of this show right and all of a
Speaker 6: sudden there's Orlando Bloom and fucking Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: Some other guy. Goddamn I one time Cruise taking my show.
Speaker 3: I mean saying that we're doing drink Champs I'd be like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that ship is fucked up. They rob them niggas. Who
Speaker 3: has that original idea drinking and talking. I don't like
Speaker 3: that type of ship.
Speaker 6: That's right, and my job is to never let that
Speaker 6: type of ship sustain itself without me saying I can't
Speaker 6: stop it.
Speaker 3: That's fine, but I'm gonna definitely say something about it.
Speaker 6: It's my job. The success of this show is not
Speaker 6: my job. The fact that no one can rob you
Speaker 6: of what you guys invented this my job.
Speaker 3: God damn split. And that's the part. Listen into the show. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking the more. No, no, I'm not talking now.
Speaker 3: I gotta in the show style this is please put
Speaker 3: it back in. Not doing that. I gotta. I gotta
Speaker 3: to big you up, to big you up. I have
Speaker 3: to big you up. I have to big you up. Listen, listen.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: In the hip hop we have to start saluting the people.
Speaker 4: That's more behind the scenes people will only salute damn got.
Speaker 3: So we love you, Stout, thank you for coming ahead,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: Don't don't don't was like, damn, I don't know what
Speaker 4: Style invited me to his war right.
Speaker 3: He really absolutely, he's good. Man, he's good.
Speaker 2: That's a great person, that lessendary.
Speaker 3: Guyas listen, everybody you good.
Speaker 2: I'll take a shot of your ship.
Speaker 3: Whatever you pick up. Everybody's good. I will tell you
Speaker 3: I am thankful. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I love what you guys are doing being here watching
Speaker 6: this whole thing come together.
Speaker 3: This ship is though. Then let's let's all pick up ourselves. Man,
Speaker 3: I got this, I got this. I love the job.
Speaker 3: I love the job. My job is pushing forward. I
Speaker 3: love the job. That's my job.
Speaker 15: That's my job.
Speaker 3: I want to tell the fucking front you gotta stop.
Speaker 3: You get you guys are letting get him everything mustache
Speaker 3: in Miami. Mustache ain't right. You're really.
Speaker 17: Keep going, Jungle told me brother. He texted me style
Speaker 17: fit stot. You know how easily I can killed your front?
Speaker 3: Front is good? Is good? I don't know where's this going.
Speaker 3: This queen ship, queen ship. This this is what we do.
Speaker 3: It's queens. Yeah, why don't we? We we aiming a
Speaker 3: peaceful him in the piece of Style.
Speaker 4: I appreciate everything that we could do as people and
Speaker 4: people keep it together.
Speaker 3: I appreciate what you did for hip hop. I appreciate
Speaker 3: with track.
Speaker 4: Masters less, I appreciate how you are as people, and
Speaker 4: we want to salute our legends. There's not one show
Speaker 4: in the world you look at First Take you look
Speaker 4: at all this other ship these guys big up? Who
Speaker 4: is not even First Take Off? Our TNT with Charles
Speaker 4: Balkley and what's the ship? Kenny Smith? Kenny Smith, Kenny Smith,
Speaker 4: what's that show?
Speaker 3: Okay, we didn't have that in the hip hop. So
Speaker 3: that's what I wanted to big up.
Speaker 4: I wanted to big up the people that I respect,
Speaker 4: people that I love, the people that put people in
Speaker 4: positions and make shit work from there.
Speaker 3: And that's what I wanted to do. We never know
Speaker 3: what's on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like firefighters. Yeah we got to call.
Speaker 3: We just do what the fun. We gotta the truth,
Speaker 3: That's what we gotta do. But guess what I wanted
Speaker 3: you to know, in case you ever didn't know it,
Speaker 3: I respect, I really do. Face to face.
Speaker 14: I knew.
Speaker 3: I knew that every problem I ever had with you
Speaker 3: was because I was a young person.
Speaker 4: And that's the reason why I came to you and
Speaker 4: I talked to you and I told you I'm sorry
Speaker 4: because as a man I knew I wasn't a man.
Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't a man, but I had a
Speaker 3: problem with say so that has nothing to do with nothing.
Speaker 3: That was good, That was good everybody.
Speaker 4: No, I want to do it before of everybody, because
Speaker 4: I'm a man, and that's what a man does.
Speaker 3: When a man recognizes what happens in anything.
Speaker 4: And you've done amazing things in hip hop, you continue
Speaker 4: to do amazing things.
Speaker 3: That I'm at seven and you're not. I'm not even stopped,
Speaker 3: not even stop. And you know what. This is what
Speaker 3: we do in drink chaps. We continue to respect people.
Speaker 3: Your first time, this.
Speaker 6: Guy right here, I love him that he's the fucking
Speaker 6: man you had you sure you had everything off.
Speaker 3: You want to say something, you know they were better
Speaker 3: than we got that. We got that. No, you got everything.
Speaker 2: You obviously didn't hear what I said. It's not your
Speaker 2: first time here, because this is.
Speaker 3: A horror of them. Will come back. No, No, and
Speaker 3: you will, and you will say you say, these people
Speaker 3: like you got it. He's never coming back.
Speaker 2: No, I think he will, like stout safe.
Speaker 3: We kept him safe. I gave her good his I
Speaker 3: can't even believe that, you know what and this.
Speaker 2: Keep what's not get first on him here.
Speaker 3: He's thinking about it. He's thinking about it. Look, this
Speaker 3: man with the bed is looking like listen, don't go
Speaker 3: into everybody. Territory's great.
Speaker 2: Did you know what he said?
Speaker 3: He said that Eminem bodied jay Z. He was so long,
Speaker 3: you don't have the thing that he didn't know.
Speaker 6: I don't have his mic on what's the five nine
Speaker 6: already and Eminem already had the song.
Speaker 3: I heard that. I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 2: As deficients. You you don't do everything else, everything else
Speaker 2: don