1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl ill 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who grew into hymnals 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored Alchemedo chariots. To keep 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, he's smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: jim see. King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this is. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 1: give you wisdom. Thousands They said you would come Dropping 15 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Dropping the Gym. Hey, welcome back to another episode of 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: The Dropping Gym's podcast. I'm Debbie Brown. This is your 17 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: soft place to land where we have conscious conversations and 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 1: unpacked tools for our healing journeys. All right, this episode, 19 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to do a little bit of Q and 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: a H. Last time I did that, I got some 21 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: amazing questions. So I hit up my Instagram this week 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: and I did the same thing again in my stories. 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: I asked everyone who listens to the show if they 24 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: had any questions about the spiritual journey, life, meditation, all 25 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the things UM, and I got some really, really, really 26 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: amazing questions. I feel like the floodgates opened and there 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: was just so much depth that came pouring through. So 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm excited to answer a lot of these UM. At 29 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: post uh the time of recording of this episode, I 30 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: am getting ready to head up to Ryan back to 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: the Omega Institute campus where for the next week I 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: will be hosting a retreat along with Queena Fua called 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Women Who Heal, and I'm really excited to connect with 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: everyone that is signed up. That Omega campus is just so, 35 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: so so breathtaking, and you know, my deepest intention, especially 36 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: as one of the first UM gatherings post pandemic, that 37 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: I've been doing well no, actually I've hosted a bunch 38 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: of retreats over the last two years, but y'all know 39 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This UM, this special one that that 40 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: actually had a really unique intention that has been really 41 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: different than things I've taught in other spaces. I should say, Um, 42 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, the campus was really important to me. The 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: Omega campus was established decades ago, forty or five years ago, 44 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: to be exact, by a lot of incredibly awakened spiritual 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: teachers of the time, and it's been a place where 46 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: people have gone to get lost in spiritual study, to 47 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: find themselves again, to remember to be with themselves. And 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: it's it's such a different experience than um, some of 49 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: the other kinds of retreats that we really enjoy that 50 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: help us relax. This is more of a study retreat. 51 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: You stay in a cabin, you go away, you have 52 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: daily hikes and meditation, you study, you take classes and 53 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: courses and different things to expand your thought process. And 54 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: that really really resonates with my soul. That's the kind 55 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: of stuff I like to do, um to refuel and 56 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: recharge myself and to get really clear on myself and 57 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: my teaching. So I was excited to offer that and 58 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of open up that world for those that hadn't 59 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: already participated on that campus before knew something like that, 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, even existed up until very recently. You'd find 61 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: about things really you know, find out about things really 62 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: just in whispers of people who felt comfortable telling you 63 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: about your journeys, letting you know places you could go. 64 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: And so this was kind of in that tradition. It 65 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: was one of those secret sacred places um over nearly 66 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: fifty years where people who are looking to do deep, 67 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: expansive work would go and connect with themselves. So I'm 68 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: really excited. I'm headed out there tomorrow at the time 69 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: of me recording this episode, and it is it's gonna 70 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: be special. Alright, Let's dive into some questions because I 71 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: have a lot of really good ones and I'm gonna 72 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: just kind of go through them. Uh, I love Oh Okay. 73 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: First question for our Q and A today on Dropping 74 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: Gym's is how does your relationship with food affect slash 75 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: nourish your life. I love this question, and I'm I'm 76 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: kind of going to answer this question really personally from 77 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: my experience, um, not necessarily in a way that is 78 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: guiding anyone into doing anything. But I used to have 79 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: I used to be a really proud foodie and everything 80 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: I ate it was about pleasure and it was about 81 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: like how delicious could it be and how different could 82 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: it be you know, I'd always order like the most 83 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: outlandish thing on the menu or the you know, the 84 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: quote unquote strangest thing you know, I'd encounter in my travels, 85 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: and I really felt like that was not one it 86 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: was not sustainable, that's not the healthiest way to live. Um. 87 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: But also it just you know, I wanted to find 88 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: what was the deeper connection, Like, yes, I'm very epicurean. 89 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: I love food, love, you know, sensory things like that 90 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: is inherently me. But it was like what else is 91 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: being filled right now? Um? And so after I had 92 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: my son, I ended up doing the Keto diet, which 93 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: dramatically um changed my life for the better. It gave 94 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: me a lot of space in between experiencing pleasure with food. UM. 95 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: And it also helped me kind of regulate and get 96 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: to know my body a little bit better because I 97 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: started noticing, you know, when when am I actually hungry 98 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: versus just want to eat? And what am I actually 99 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: hungry for? And what is you know, what craving inside 100 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: of my body for nutrition is looking to be met, 101 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: you know in this moment. And so going keto UM 102 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: also introduced me to intermitted fasting, and so that was 103 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: something that I did for about a year after I 104 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: had my son, and it just it really changed me. 105 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: And you know, definitely I got into a lot at 106 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: or physical health, I lost weight, but outside of that, 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: UM kind of intellectually more spiritually, it just helped me 108 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: understand how my body related to food. So to answer 109 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: your question, I probably gave a really long winded um 110 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: t am I around that, But my relationship with food 111 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: UM was really changed by that. And so now I 112 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: find that I really eat to live and I used 113 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: to kind of live to eat. I used to just 114 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: get so excited to think about delicious things, and now, UM, 115 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: now I just find that, like I eat things that 116 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: taste good to me, that feel good in my body, 117 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: but it's really just about honoring my body. And so 118 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'll notice like oh I'm hungry, Oh I 119 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: need some fuel, and so I'll go meet that need. 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: And I don't put a lot of thought um into 121 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: calories or anything like that. I just looked to meet 122 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: my needs of what my body wants. But I try 123 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: to do it in a way that really honors UM 124 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: it's true need and it's true function. So it's an 125 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: area I'm still learning in Um, I'm definitely this year, 126 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot more about wanting to expand 127 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: in my understanding of my my own personal bodies relationship 128 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: to food. In the past, I've I've had a bunch 129 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: of different kind of tests done. Like twelve years ago, 130 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: I did one of those blood tests that tells you 131 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: you know what you should eat, what you should never eat, 132 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: and all my favorite foods around the never eat list, 133 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: like things like olives and olive oil, and like I 134 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: was like, come on, I'm not living a life without 135 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,359 Speaker 1: olive oil. So I don't know. Sometimes I have information, 136 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily Um. You know, I go with 137 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: what what actually seems sustainable, joyful, feasible from my personal life. UM. 138 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: But that's an area I'm looking to expand in and 139 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: I've really been enjoying my study in that space so far. 140 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: So I hope that answers your question. But I really 141 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: look to nourish my body, um, and kind of meet 142 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: my needs on or my cravings, but really do it 143 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: on the true timing of what my body needs when 144 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: it needs it. And I am in practice with that 145 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to expanding in that. Alright, Let's see, Um, 146 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: more questions. These are such good questions. Okay, another great 147 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: question thoughts on where to start when offering wellness tools 148 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: to marginalized communities. Okay, what I am hearing in this question, um, 149 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gleaning from it. So I hope 150 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: this is the intention is you know, sometimes when you 151 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: recognize communities that really need this work, there is such 152 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: little foundation for coming into this work, and so it 153 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: does feel like a mountain decline. Like I remember when 154 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: I first started really being deep in my study and 155 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: and feeling ready to teach. There there were so many 156 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: things that I learned and I had come into kind 157 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: of an advance practice with myself. But how do you 158 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: reverse engineer that in a way that can really serve 159 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: the people that you want to bring these tools to. 160 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna answer this question from the 161 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: lens of a facilitator and a teacher. But you know, 162 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: a place that felt really good for me to start 163 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: with people, especially in environments and in communities where some 164 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: of the ways I experience wellness and my and my 165 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: daily practice, would it necessarily be able to be um 166 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: replicated getting people to a space where they can understand 167 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: how to slow down is so powerful. You know, sometimes 168 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: meditation really isn't the first step depending UM. Our bodies 169 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: can really react strongly to it, especially if they house 170 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: a lot of PTSD or CPTSD. So what you want 171 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: to do UM if that is feeling present where you 172 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: are getting people to rethink how they experience time and 173 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: their day. So it could be like teaching some practices 174 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: like sharing with the audience. You know, every time you 175 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: feel yourself moving really fast, just notice it and ask 176 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: yourself if you can slow down. Sometimes the answer to 177 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: that question will be known. Because you are working, you're surviving, 178 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: you're having to multitask, you're doing a lot of things. 179 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: You know, some people have really really burdened days and 180 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: experiences UM and no support in that, you know. So 181 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: the idea of telling someone to build out this hour 182 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: long p this it's harmful. You know, it's not possible, 183 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: and it it feels it can feel shameful UM or 184 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: like even more of a glaring response to how UM 185 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: sometimes hard your life feels. And so helping people understand 186 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: that sometimes we're program to move really fast because we've 187 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: been surviving for a long time, but there is an 188 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to slow down occasionally. You know, if you're if 189 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: you're walking really fast just because your body is used 190 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: to that, but you don't actually have to, You're missing 191 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity to regulate your nervous system. You're missing an 192 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to take deeper breaths that can potentially help fuel 193 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: the rest of your day. You're missing opportunities to just 194 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: be with yourself, to connect to joy, or to release 195 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: some grief because it's present. Whatever it is that your 196 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: body needs, we do need to find opportunities to slow. 197 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: So I hope I'm answering this question in a way 198 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: that is useful. But you know, I would say sometimes 199 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: the very foundational baseline, when you are serving communities that 200 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: don't naturally have the opportunities to expand in this work 201 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: of mindfulness and wellness, teaching new ways to experience time 202 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: and our bodies can be a really powerful shift. Ah, 203 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: thank you for that question. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 204 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: I was really good rocking. Oh my god, these count Okay, 205 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: these questions are amazing. Um, and I'm getting questions, a 206 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: lot of questions from one particular person, and so these 207 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: are wow. Thank you for these. I love them. Another 208 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: question I got is can you discuss more about energy 209 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: leaks and one's unfinished business and pursuits. So, if you 210 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: ever connect with me on social media or if you've 211 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: seen any videos I've done or podcasts I've done with 212 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: other people, something that I do talk about a lot 213 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: is not leaking your energy, and the way that I 214 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of express that is in service too. It's really 215 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: important to being alignment in our daily choices. When you 216 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: embark on a path of healing. Sometimes we are just 217 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: looking at that bigger heal, right, Like, especially if it's 218 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: something that has been really powerful in our lives, you know, um, 219 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: if it's like a big trauma, or if it's a 220 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: big relationship or the thing we focus on the mountain, 221 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: and so we think everything about how we're healing or 222 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: getting better is in service to that one specific thing, 223 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: and we don't always see all of the small, tiny 224 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: ways that that and many other things have affected how 225 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: we move in the world and how we flow in 226 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: our own integrity, how we have dignity for ourselves and others. 227 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: And it is really important on a path of healing, 228 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: especially for you to be able to not just intellectualize 229 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: what you're learning, but live it and um to have 230 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: the life that you deserve and to have the connections 231 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: that you deserve. It's really important that we monitor our 232 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: smaller choices and our day to day interactions. And so 233 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: energy leaking is kind of a byproduct of not being intentional. 234 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: Even in those small moments, you find that you are 235 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: just kind of um letting the air out of your healing. 236 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: You're leaking this beautiful healing that you've begun to store 237 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: in your body on those bigger things. UM, you're letting 238 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: it leak out every time you don't honor the smaller 239 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: choices or the smaller ways that you show up in 240 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the world and show up in other people's lives. And 241 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: so I believe with every ounce of my being that 242 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: the only way to really embody healing and change your 243 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: life in the ways that you're dreaming about is to 244 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: be UM in very tight aligned choice making and uh 245 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: really really kind of take responsibility for your character UM 246 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: in all moments and in all interactions, and and not 247 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: give yourself that thing of you know, UM, not to 248 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: beat up on yourself, but to just really look to 249 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: make the better choice the majority of the time, UM, 250 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: even in the small ways. So thank you for that question. 251 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that I think about stuff 252 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: like that all the time, UM when I'm sharing. Okay, 253 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: let's find another great question. Oh, here's a wonderful question. Okay, 254 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: how do you integrate balance with your personal healing journey 255 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: and with your marriage partnership? Love that question, And I 256 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of people kind of walk through that 257 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: where you feel like you might be on a certain path, 258 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: but maybe the person um, you know, the love in 259 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: your life, for the partnership in your life, is not 260 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: on that path and the same pace that you are, UM, 261 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: and you don't want to grow apart, or maybe you 262 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: just want to make sure you're able to just stay 263 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: together and move forward and and be able to understand 264 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: one another at a deeper level. So I think you 265 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: know a way to answer that question would be I 266 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: think it's important to get clear on what are the 267 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: over arch values and mission that you want for your partnership, 268 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: for your household, for your family. You know. I think 269 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: when we get really clear on what are the values 270 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: that are important to us, you know, maybe coming up 271 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: even with five specific pillars that are going to represent 272 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: what your family is, what your decision making is made around. UM, 273 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: when you get clear on that, it becomes a lot 274 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: easier to stay in flow with one another even if 275 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: we're growing at different paces. So you know, is is 276 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: personal growth of value for your family system that will 277 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: kind of let you know how far you can go 278 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: individually or together. Um is wellness as well being is 279 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: mental health, is emotional regulation. Is that something that's important 280 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: to the both of you as a unit, as a system. 281 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: And I think if those answers are yes, if if 282 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: one or all are yes, then from there you're able 283 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: to kind of create a safe container to speak freely 284 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: about your needs, about maybe the areas you're working on 285 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: in yourself. Sometimes in partnership, especially if personal work is 286 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: new to your family systems. Sometimes in partnership, if one 287 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: partner is saying they want to work on themselves, the 288 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: other person is thinking it's because of or in response 289 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: to them, and we make everything really personal. But also 290 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: if we're not sharing the ways we want to work 291 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: on ourselves and some of the context for why, with 292 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: those valuable relationships in our lives, UM, we miss an 293 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to connect more deeply. We miss an opportunity to 294 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: give and receive love to one another. So if there's 295 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: something that you're working on individually, that is just about you. 296 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: It could be so beautiful to be vulnerable and to 297 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: open yourself to your partner and share that and share 298 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, what is the deeper, the deeper thing that 299 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: you're working on with this What was maybe the pain 300 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: or the experience as a younger version of you that 301 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: led to you wanting to do this work. Now, you know, 302 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: we we got to share language with each other, We 303 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: got to teach each other how to talk to one another, 304 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 1: how to be safe, how to how to kind of 305 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: expand in ourselves, and then it makes it less personal. 306 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: And you know, when things become less personal to us, 307 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: then we can really show up and support other people 308 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: the way they deserve to be supported, and vice versa 309 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: and all of those beautiful things. That's such a dance. 310 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for that question. Um Let's see what is 311 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: another question. Here's another really beautiful question. How to reconnect 312 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: with your adult self not having an environment to know 313 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: self in childhood? Really beautiful, quite Sian. Thank you for 314 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: asking this. Um. So, the way that I'm experiencing this 315 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: question is you're asking, you know, how do you how 316 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: do you get to know yourself? How do you connect 317 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: to the core of your identity when as a child, 318 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: perhaps you were repressed, suppressed or disconnected in some way 319 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: from being able to get to know honor uh and 320 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: experience emotions within yourself. This is something that's so so 321 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: so so many of us experience as young people, and 322 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: it's usually the core of what leads all of us 323 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: to the to our work and what leads all of 324 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: us to um many of the challenges that we experience 325 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: as adults. So this is such a gorgeous question, so 326 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: uh so happy to be answering this because first, one 327 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: of the first steps to being able to really tap 328 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: into more of who you are right like, you're probably experiencing, 329 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, pieces of you and and definitely seeing like 330 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: the glimmer and the potential and the beauty and what 331 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: could emerge. And what's so powerful about this moment that 332 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're in is you just need a 333 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: little more time with you. Um. The first thing that 334 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: I would recommend is create some distance from the people 335 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: in your life. It's really imperative when you're looking to 336 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: um access points of yourself that you never have before. 337 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: You need a blink canvas, you need freedom. You do 338 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: not need reflected back to you or mirrored, you know, 339 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: other people's perceptions of you that you've already outgrown. You 340 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: need the time in the space to uncover these parts 341 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: of you for yourself, and then to get to know 342 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: them and to be in practice with them before you 343 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: have to show up against people that are always going 344 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: to experience you as the version they're most comfortable with. 345 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: I hope I'm making any sense. Um, Yeah, I hope 346 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm expressing this in the way that I feel it. 347 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: But time alone is imperative on your path and even 348 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: from you know, the relationships that feel really beautiful and 349 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: special and that that are healthy and honoring in our lives. 350 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: You need the space to become more and so just 351 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: having time to back up a little bit, having time 352 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: to not have to be pressured to do things to 353 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: show up for people, being able to take off some 354 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: of the roles that you wear with others is really important. 355 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: At this part of the journey. You have to strip yourself. 356 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: You have to get out of performance. And it doesn't 357 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: even have to mean in bad ways, right like, it 358 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have to mean that everything is toxic or you 359 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: know that there's a there's an issue everywhere. But it 360 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: just means that if you're used to doing something, because 361 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: that's what you're used to, you need to give yourself 362 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: a break from it so you can see if you 363 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: actually still want to. Um, it's about coming back into choice. 364 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: It's about returning back to yourself with a zoomed out 365 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: view so you can be in choice in creating something 366 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: that feels like more you know, that feels better, that 367 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: feels aligned with the truth of who you are. So 368 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: I would say, carve out more time for yourself. Um, 369 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: I think definitely. And and we're going to have a 370 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: lot of different moments that this is going to be required. 371 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: You know, every couple of years, you're gonna need to 372 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: space yourself out a little bit and zoom out and 373 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: get more connected to self. I remember one of the 374 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: first times I started doing that. It was Shanja Rymes 375 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: had this really beautiful book called The Year of Yes. 376 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: And I remember a few years after that it had 377 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: come to me in a meditation and God said, this 378 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: is your year of No. You need to say no 379 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: to everything. And I remember being like, God, what what 380 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Like no, I gotta take 381 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: opportunities like no, you know, think I gotta keep moving forward, 382 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: and da da, and God was just very explicitly clear 383 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: with me that I needed a season of no because 384 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: I needed to recalibrate and grow into the bigger yes. 385 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: So I remember this year, you know, I let things 386 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: really really slow down, and I stopped kind of leading 387 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: with optics and perception, and I said no to really 388 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: big things, things that were meaningful for me at the time. 389 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: And ultimately it was just one of the most powerful 390 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: things I ever did. Like, it upleveled my spirit, it 391 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: upleveled my ability to express my purpose in just such 392 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: a really really important way for my life. So, you know, 393 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: sometimes I recommend just lean into a season of no. 394 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Say say no to big stuff. You know, maybe you 395 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: don't have to. Maybe it's just about the little stuff. 396 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just say no to every friend that wants 397 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: to go out, saying no to every invite and intentionally 398 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: staying in the house. And even if you feel bored, 399 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: investigate what can I do to fill my time. As 400 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: you begin that road, you really start to look reconnect 401 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: to curiosities that you and gifts and talents that you 402 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: used to have. You also get to figure out what 403 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: it is that you like you start to get creative, 404 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: you start to your taste change and expand, and you 405 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: just get to grow and stretch a little bit. Um. 406 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: But you can't do that if you're always busy, if 407 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: you're always active, if you're always kind of being perceived 408 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: by others, if you're always perceiving others, um, if you're 409 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: always in a space of being witnessed, sometimes you need 410 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: to pull back so you can kind of refine and 411 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: chisel and sculpt yourself. So I hope that answers the question. 412 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: Loved that question, and I think we'll hold it here. 413 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: These were some really, really, really gorgeous questions. So I'll 414 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: be revisiting more of this soon. I'll be doing more 415 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: of this on my I G and if you don't already, 416 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: connect with me on Instagram at Debbie Brown. And I 417 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: will be back very very soon next week with another episode. 418 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: UM excited. Some of the people that will be talking 419 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: to you on the show soon are amazing, people like 420 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: Dr Joy hard In from Therapy for Black Girls, also 421 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: Young Pueblo. So excited to share their work and some 422 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: of those beautiful conversations that we have had. Take a 423 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: second today, your soul work for this week is to 424 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: just connect to your breath right now, the seasons are changing. 425 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: At the time of me recording this episode, it's September 426 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: and we are ushering in the fall equinox. There is 427 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: a lot of new seasonal energy coming. We're in a 428 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: retrograde period. We are coming into new energies, new opportunities, 429 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: new abilities. So it's important in times that the planet 430 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: is shifting, that our seasons are changing, we let ourselves 431 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: take the time to recalibrate, to slow down. So your 432 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: soul work through this next week is to find more 433 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: moments to take deep breaths, and I mean deep deep breaths, 434 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: like really connect, let yourself drop in just deeply at 435 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: hell and oh and pace your own self embody, just 436 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: like that. Do that throughout your day, close your eyes, 437 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: and when you can connect to the way wherever you 438 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: happen to live, that the seasons are changing. Maybe the 439 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: air it's a little crisper, a little cooler. Maybe it's 440 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: a little cooler at night or at the top of 441 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: the morning. Maybe light is coming into your home in 442 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: a different way now through the windows leaves. Just notice, 443 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: just observe, let yourself slow down in that and connect 444 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: to that God flow. Thank you for listening, Drop us 445 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: a review, give us five star ours, and big love. 446 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: Share this episode with a friend if you think it 447 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: resonates now, I'm a staying, I'm staying. I'm a staying. 448 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm stay. Hey, find me on social Let's connect at 449 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: Debbie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my 450 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: website Debbie Brown dot com. 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