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Speaker 1: Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go, Dallas boy. You just.
Speaker 2: You can't play the we can't.
Speaker 3: Are one more time. It's football Friday, and there are
Speaker 3: as Bill would like to say, football players on the
Speaker 3: football field. Cowboys going through their usual Friday sort of
Speaker 3: walk through with helmets on and jerseys one more time,
Speaker 3: preparing for a Sunday's last game of the season against
Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders. Mickey Spagnola, Everson Walls with you on
Speaker 3: mix shots on this glorious looking Friday here in Dallas.
Speaker 2: For God.
Speaker 4: I wish we win the playoffs, may wouldn't you? It
Speaker 4: would be nice man. The weather is beautiful. It's like
Speaker 4: you know, we're out there practicing, getting ready for the
Speaker 4: first round of the playoffs, right no, no, no, note
Speaker 4: not doing.
Speaker 3: That, which leads us to having to play the final
Speaker 3: game of the season Sunday noon at at and T
Speaker 3: Stadium against the Washington Commanders and you know, when I
Speaker 3: was doing my fan segment, they wanted to make a
Speaker 3: game pick, and I said, seriously, who gets right? And
Speaker 3: it's like, it's like, well, tell me what Washington wants
Speaker 3: to do, because you know they're in Okay, so I'm
Speaker 3: gonna ask you. For them to move from the seventh
Speaker 3: seed to the sixth seed, they have to beat the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: and then they have to have the Chicago Bears go
Speaker 3: into green Bay and beat the passage that not.
Speaker 2: Having now does green Bay.
Speaker 3: And then if if that happened, then green Bay would
Speaker 3: be the seventh seed and Washington would be the sixth.
Speaker 2: Seed, which makes the opponent.
Speaker 3: What So if you're the seventh seed, you're playing the
Speaker 3: number two seed, which is Philadelphia. If you're the sixth seed,
Speaker 3: you're playing the loser of Detroit and who's not in Minnesota?
Speaker 2: The wait? Wait, Detroit? So they play each.
Speaker 3: Because they're playing each other? Okay, yes, yes, who would
Speaker 3: you rather play in the first round? Philadelphia or that loser?
Speaker 4: I would rather play Philadelphia only because your quarterback is
Speaker 4: your number one quarterback is is he's still in concussion protocol?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 3: I haven't checked that.
Speaker 2: I believe he's still in a concussion polar.
Speaker 3: Or if he's not, they might be resting him right,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna rest probably because they they cannot improve
Speaker 3: or diminish their scene though.
Speaker 5: To all the people are gonna call Mickey and put
Speaker 5: them on the X. Right now, is Washington does have
Speaker 5: the sixth seed currently?
Speaker 2: Hm, they do?
Speaker 5: Just letting you know, Okay, Okay has a seventh.
Speaker 3: Yes, I thought it was the other way.
Speaker 5: Now Washington has a sixth seed. They have a better
Speaker 5: conference record at eight and three. Green Bays conference record
Speaker 5: currently is at six and five. They do have the
Speaker 5: same record though, so so winning and losing is.
Speaker 3: Not going to matter.
Speaker 5: Well, they have to win because if they lose or
Speaker 5: at eleven and six and and if green Bay wins,
Speaker 5: they'd be at twelve and five, so they would jump them.
Speaker 5: But they have to win the game to win the
Speaker 5: game that they stay at six. They lose the game
Speaker 5: and green Bay beats beats Chicago, they flip flop.
Speaker 3: Well, let's assume I'm just saying Green Bay's beating Chicago, right.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I'm Yes, so they have to win.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying for the people are going to call
Speaker 5: you and say, hey, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: Washington has the six seed currently.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, my little paper here with the had
Speaker 3: it messed up. Yeah, absolutely, that's okay. All right, so
Speaker 3: Washington does need to play. They can't rest, so they're
Speaker 3: going to bring it to us. And Jerry said, it's
Speaker 3: it's still the focus on the game. I want to
Speaker 3: beat those guys this week. It's important. Let's go get
Speaker 3: the Commanders.
Speaker 2: Okay. So having said that, are we tanking?
Speaker 4: Are we letting some guys rest and look forward to
Speaker 4: next season?
Speaker 2: Are we're playing.
Speaker 4: Guys who are already injured and could possibly become even
Speaker 4: more injured? All we risking all of that? Because if
Speaker 4: we're not, then we're not really caring about it.
Speaker 3: I think the I think the injured guys are already out,
Speaker 3: so uh oh, I printed out the injury report, left
Speaker 3: it behind.
Speaker 2: Of course, I just want to see the roster. I
Speaker 2: want to see with you.
Speaker 3: Got to play everybody, because they already got the injured
Speaker 3: guys out. These guys are already playing. So the only
Speaker 3: decision they have to.
Speaker 2: This is our This is our roster. If we were
Speaker 2: it's going to.
Speaker 3: Be the same. They're not going to change the only
Speaker 3: thing that's going to change is it seems like it
Speaker 3: would do Trey Lance as solid to let him start.
Speaker 3: Jerry said, for competitive reasons this morning, he's not saying
Speaker 3: Mike has said the same thing. Now he's got a
Speaker 3: press con or conference call at twelve thirty. I don't
Speaker 3: know if he'll change his tune during that or not.
Speaker 3: Maybe producer Supreme can keep an.
Speaker 4: Eye on what he has won about that Chris and
Speaker 4: so peaking.
Speaker 3: That would be to me, the only significant change. You
Speaker 3: might say, Okay, I'm going to take a better look
Speaker 3: at Deuce Vaughan and Hunter Lipke as the running back.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen much of Hunter lately.
Speaker 3: Has he been Yeah, he's been in there, but he
Speaker 3: hasn't got any carries. They always look at him as
Speaker 3: you know, he could be a one back running.
Speaker 2: Back for you, but he can also block and block.
Speaker 3: He can block and you know Rico. I mean, the
Speaker 3: only goal he would have in this game is the
Speaker 3: gain one yard, which would mean he would have more
Speaker 3: yards rushing in a season since Zeke had thirteen hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty nineteen. So there are things to accomplish in
Speaker 3: this game. The other consideration, and I don't think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a consideration. Is so Cooper Rush had two
Speaker 3: levels of playtime incentive percentage of snaps. The first one
Speaker 3: was it was like forty four percent of the snaps
Speaker 3: he would earn two hundred and fifty thousand extra bonus.
Speaker 3: If he got fifty five percent of the snaps, he
Speaker 3: would earn another two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. All right,
Speaker 3: so right now he's at fifty two percent.
Speaker 2: Oh, he didn't make He's not to fifty five.
Speaker 3: Use not to fifty five.
Speaker 2: He ain't gonna make it so.
Speaker 3: Right, But what they can do is say, thanks a lot.
Speaker 3: When we negotiate for next year, we'll throw that two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand. Because the bonuses, since they were
Speaker 3: unlikely to be earned in I think the previous contracts,
Speaker 3: it doesn't count against the cap until next year. So
Speaker 3: you could say, okay, here's five hundred thousand. We owed
Speaker 3: you to fifty for being a good dude. We'll pay
Speaker 3: you two fifty.
Speaker 2: Since when do people get paid in the NFL for
Speaker 2: being a good dude? They happen they he was a
Speaker 2: good dude.
Speaker 4: What happened to the NFL? Well, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: happy for the players.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 4: You know me, I'm old school and we got treated
Speaker 4: like old school, and I'm just so I don't know
Speaker 4: if I'm I'm I'm happy for them, or if I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: where's my uh, where's my good.
Speaker 2: Luck chong, where's my stuff?
Speaker 3: But if something was on the line, he would have
Speaker 3: gotten right. So I would think the right thing to
Speaker 3: do is to start Trey Lance, give him an opportunity.
Speaker 3: But I think everybody needs to remember that he has
Speaker 3: not started or played significant snaps in an NFL game
Speaker 3: since the second week of twenty twenty two in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: You know, when you have significant you know, there are
Speaker 4: times when you and I go back through through history
Speaker 4: and talk about some of the things we experience.
Speaker 2: It is kind of cool to see that.
Speaker 4: The NFL is nothing like it used to be, right, man,
Speaker 4: it's nothing like it. So do you remember if this
Speaker 4: was if this was back in eighty eight or whatever.
Speaker 3: How about eighty nine? You remember the running back which
Speaker 3: one Paul Palmer, right, yeah, chiefs right, and he had
Speaker 3: I think play time incentives and he got benched for
Speaker 3: the final game of this season. Jimmy said, you're not
Speaker 3: going to be here next year. There's no sense wasting
Speaker 3: bonus money on you.
Speaker 2: Now, what does Jimmy care about bone money?
Speaker 3: Because Jerry was hemorrhaging money back then.
Speaker 2: But Jimmy had nothing to do with that. But he did.
Speaker 2: Let let Jerry handle that. And see, I think that's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: Well, he probably did. He told him, don't play this guy.
Speaker 3: He probably did and something happened because I remember he
Speaker 3: was in the training room and I don't know if
Speaker 3: they said, oh, he's got some sort of injury or
Speaker 3: something like that, and they didn't play them. So I
Speaker 3: think the lead running backs that game were Darryl Johnston
Speaker 3: and I can remember you had another running back sort
Speaker 3: of a backup type of thing, and he ended up starting.
Speaker 4: You're not talking about Shaw, No, No, the running back
Speaker 4: that got cut for Christmas?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that man?
Speaker 4: He got cut Jimmy cut him for Christmas, cut for
Speaker 4: because he fumbled the ball.
Speaker 2: In a no meaningless in a meaningless game.
Speaker 3: So it was eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Paul Palmer.
Speaker 3: Oh, they don't have him on here. I'll find it. Oh,
Speaker 3: I forgot his first name, Sergeant, that's his name. Sergeant
Speaker 3: was his last name.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're talking about the big full back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's not Palmer.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm saying he was the one started.
Speaker 2: I can't remember his name. He indeed, big big guy, yeah,
Speaker 2: big full back.
Speaker 3: He and DJ ended up starting in place of Palmer
Speaker 3: because they wanted to save salary.
Speaker 2: Cap.
Speaker 4: I can't remember his name. He's a good guy. We
Speaker 4: had good times. We had good times with him. We
Speaker 4: were losers, but we were having good times.
Speaker 3: So it uh.
Speaker 2: His name was.
Speaker 3: Roderick, Roderick sergeant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, so I think I think they would take
Speaker 3: care of I don't think that should matter if they
Speaker 3: want to give Trey Lance a chance to go ahead
Speaker 3: and start, and you know, from that standpoint, we can
Speaker 3: have Will Greer be the backup quarterback.
Speaker 4: And that's what I was wondering if Coop's not doing anything.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, maybe not, because Will Green is going to
Speaker 2: be the backup, right.
Speaker 3: They could elevate him off the practice So they have
Speaker 3: not yet. No, that wouldn't do that till Saturday. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: i'mould just say I don't know if they would or not.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying why not, right, And it would give
Speaker 3: him a little bump in salary from practice squad pay
Speaker 3: to one game in the in the regular season, so
Speaker 3: I could see them doing that after that, douce Vaughan,
Speaker 3: maybe a couple series. I don't know how much they
Speaker 3: want to put Rico out there. Hunter Lepke give him
Speaker 3: some snaps, and I bet at some point they would. Awesome,
Speaker 3: Richards is ready to get back and play, so he
Speaker 3: was active this past week. Maybe they get him out there.
Speaker 3: And then from a guard standpoint, you got Hoffmann and TJ.
Speaker 3: Bass with Zach still out obviously, so you can get
Speaker 3: them in there. And there's no sense extending Tyler Smith
Speaker 3: if you don't want to, but you want to put
Speaker 3: your best available, I think offensive line out there to
Speaker 3: give Trey Lance a chance.
Speaker 2: And that's the best.
Speaker 3: Well that's what they got, right, Yeah, that's what they've
Speaker 3: already been doing. So you might get those guys out
Speaker 3: there at some point. So but other than that, you're
Speaker 3: playing everybody on defense. You realize they've played seven different
Speaker 3: cornerbacks this year.
Speaker 4: Yes, I started, and they still need I'm surprised they
Speaker 4: hadn't signed someone off the practice field for this game.
Speaker 3: Well they can elevate pride again, Okay, Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think I haven't seen it officially, but I understand maybe
Speaker 3: those fines that are getting thrown out, they might have
Speaker 3: reduced those things for that little Someone said something about yeah,
Speaker 3: but they haven't. I haven't seen it posting yet. I mean,
Speaker 3: the poor guy would have paid the play, right, So,
Speaker 3: but yeah, they can do that. They probably have to
Speaker 3: bring up another linebacker. I would think maybe there's a
Speaker 3: wide receiver that they want to look at, although they've
Speaker 3: looked at all the wide receivers already.
Speaker 2: So the one who's in the red right now, what's
Speaker 2: his name in the red meaning he got fined?
Speaker 3: Oh it was it was Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and then Troy Pride off the practice squad.
Speaker 3: So I would imagine they've got to do that again.
Speaker 3: You know, I guess they have to start Andrew Booth.
Speaker 3: I don't know that there's any other options. Uh.
Speaker 2: You act as if he's the worst cornerback in.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that he's the worst. But he hasn't.
Speaker 2: Been, isn't he.
Speaker 4: What do you always say there's a reason he's a back,
Speaker 4: that he's a backup.
Speaker 3: Or would spend the majority of the season on the
Speaker 3: practice practice squad. Right, yeah, so but other than that,
Speaker 3: on defense, you're you're playing the guys. Now, you know
Speaker 3: Michael wants to play. He needs a half a sack, okay,
Speaker 3: to get double digit sacks and be one of like
Speaker 3: two or three guys, uh to have double digit sacks
Speaker 3: in their first four seasons.
Speaker 4: You know, when you look at Micah's decision, well, I
Speaker 4: don't know if the decision is made yet, but when
Speaker 4: you start comparing that with Saquon Barkley, I would imagine
Speaker 4: they decided to keep Barkley out, even though you're talking
Speaker 4: about chasing history here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Barkley is if this is his
Speaker 4: decision or not, but I have to think that if
Speaker 4: they left it up to him that he would want
Speaker 4: to play.
Speaker 3: He sounded like, well you got to say it. Yes,
Speaker 3: of course he said he was good with it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that the team is more important than But again by asterisk, though,
Speaker 3: what's that that if he if he broke it.
Speaker 4: It's in seventeen games. Well, well, Dickinson has no aspect
Speaker 4: on his When he OJ bro We're talking about two
Speaker 4: games difference between oj and Dickison.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a bit there's something there.
Speaker 3: Right, the other guy that's got something on the line,
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpens averaging thirty three point six yards kickoff return
Speaker 3: and the NFL record belonging to the very important Jim Duncan.
Speaker 3: That's who owns nineteen seventy thirty five point four. So
Speaker 3: he would need a big return to push his average
Speaker 3: up two yards. And you know what, when I was
Speaker 3: asking about it, he.
Speaker 2: Knows about it. He does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, just go over there and tell him
Speaker 3: to kick it to you. Quit the touchback stuff.
Speaker 4: Right now, they have to win the game, right, so
Speaker 4: that's not to do that. Maybe if they didn't have
Speaker 4: to win the game, they might do him a solid
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we discussed the quarterback thing. Your thoughts on
Speaker 3: giving Trey Lance to start? Uh, you know if they
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 6: I saw him in preseason, and you know, you know,
Speaker 6: I was all about the Trey Lance experience. I saw
Speaker 6: him in the preseason game and I was still all
Speaker 6: about the Trey Lance experience.
Speaker 2: Season started. I was about the.
Speaker 6: Cowboys, Dak winning if he get hurt, Cooper Rush winning,
Speaker 6: and that's where that's where I'm at. Still, Cooper Rush,
Speaker 6: you don't get to relax because you're not in the playoffs.
Speaker 6: You get to continue to show people who you are.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: People say with nature you're speaking with a double tone.
Speaker 6: Well why not play Trey Lance. Well, it's some wide
Speaker 6: receivers out there want to know that this quarterback where
Speaker 6: to throw the ball and how to place that ball.
Speaker 6: So Cooper Rush gives you a better chance to evaluate
Speaker 6: the rest of these wide receivers, ie Lie the kid
Speaker 6: from from from uh the Panthers be a g o bingo?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah bingo, and so.
Speaker 3: Was there about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got to.
Speaker 6: I want to see. I want to see because if
Speaker 6: we if one of these receivers can show some spark
Speaker 6: in this last game. Maybe I'll get off of my
Speaker 6: first round pick being a wide received. Maybe I doubt it,
Speaker 6: but you know, I want to see what these dudes
Speaker 6: can do, and I don't believe Trey Lance gives me
Speaker 6: that that chance to see that. I don't want to
Speaker 6: see him run. I can go get a running a
Speaker 6: running back. We got a bunch of them. I want
Speaker 6: to see him throw.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: If you're gonna let him throw, repeat it from the
Speaker 6: ten yard line down to the rison, I'm with that.
Speaker 6: But if you're gonna be out there were running all
Speaker 6: these options and all.
Speaker 3: Want to do and I think I think that's what
Speaker 3: they have in mind. If indeed they go that direction.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought the wide receivers because, uh, these backups, man,
Speaker 4: I have to admit, they have been extremely inconsistent for
Speaker 4: this team this year.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Uh ceedee Lamb started off uh really really uh disappointing,
Speaker 4: but stepped up and showed just one of them. Man,
Speaker 4: this guy he makes you forget all about that BS man.
Speaker 2: That's just how good he is.
Speaker 3: He's number eighty eight, but he.
Speaker 2: There's a reason for that.
Speaker 4: So, but when you're talking about these other guys, I
Speaker 4: gotta get more. I was very disappointed, and except for
Speaker 4: number three, I'm sorry. Except for Cooks, I'm so uh
Speaker 4: disappointed in the other players. There were times when they
Speaker 4: did step up and make plays, but I don't want
Speaker 4: to see the amazing play. I want to see the
Speaker 4: consistent play, and I didn't see consistent play out of them.
Speaker 2: You know, there were times.
Speaker 4: When then I'm putting it right there where I need
Speaker 4: you to have it where you want to have it,
Speaker 4: and I need you to catch it. And there are
Speaker 4: times when I didn't put it where I need to
Speaker 4: put it, but I need you.
Speaker 2: To come up with a.
Speaker 6: That was things on the scholarship sheet. Oh his catch radius, well,
Speaker 6: I would like to see it.
Speaker 2: And you know, you know who taught me about catch,
Speaker 2: radious Drew Pearson.
Speaker 4: Drew Pearson talked about how wide receivers these days they
Speaker 4: want everything to be here. Drew Pearson told Roger start
Speaker 4: back anywhere here is a good pass. Yes, I don't
Speaker 4: care if it's behind me. And that's the way they played.
Speaker 4: So that thought process is that, Yes, that's not the
Speaker 4: thought process of these younger receivers.
Speaker 2: I don't know about younger receivers.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna put a stamp on all of but
Speaker 4: on these guys here.
Speaker 2: That radius needs to be in in series if you're
Speaker 2: gonna play Trey Lance.
Speaker 6: The first thing I'm telling my wide receivers as a
Speaker 6: wide receiver, coach, son, I need for you to make
Speaker 6: a play for this quarterback. He's young, he's in experience.
Speaker 6: Make a play for him. What do you mean, coach,
Speaker 6: that radius? Guess what they're talking about. When you're running
Speaker 6: the route. There's no slipping, there's no falling, there's none
Speaker 6: of that. You know that happens. I'm sure that happens
Speaker 6: in all games.
Speaker 4: But you know, we have an usual amount of Oh
Speaker 4: I slipped, you know, I remember they told us back
Speaker 4: in that DB's hey, son, you can't slip.
Speaker 2: There's no slipping. You slipping of jobs.
Speaker 3: Job, get go, get you some different claques.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certain things that you just depend on.
Speaker 4: You want reliability from your wide receivers, and there was
Speaker 4: no U except for CD. There was no reliability there.
Speaker 4: To whet my quarterback and say, man, I feel real
Speaker 4: comfortable trying to put this in that tight window because
Speaker 4: he's gonna fight for it.
Speaker 3: So to accentuate what you said. Cooks is unrestricted free
Speaker 3: agent next year, so there's no guarantee he's back.
Speaker 2: And I do like cook put the Cooks in that category.
Speaker 3: And they're looking at those young guys. Somebody's got to
Speaker 3: step up now. Tolbert tied for the team lead with
Speaker 3: six touchdown reception.
Speaker 6: Let me give you an analogy right before we start.
Speaker 6: I've seen guys in the NBA be twenty point scorers
Speaker 6: on their team. Then they lead the team in on average,
Speaker 6: but maybe fifteen ten points.
Speaker 2: He said, why is that? Well?
Speaker 6: Over here when team won, that was the only thing
Speaker 6: they had over here is better players and better situation.
Speaker 6: So he's got to share. And plus he ain't as
Speaker 6: good as he thought he was. Let me say you,
Speaker 6: by Toba, we had no one that's to throw to
Speaker 6: with the other Tobarts. When showing up, Brandon Cooks was heard,
Speaker 6: I lie, he had to make he had to make
Speaker 6: a playoff, right, So I want to see starting this game.
Speaker 6: You know it should have started last game, but starting
Speaker 6: this game, let's target tobat ten or fifteen times.
Speaker 2: Let's talk.
Speaker 6: Hey man, you know it's what you want, it's what
Speaker 6: you We've been the target you, bro, So get going.
Speaker 2: Off to see that. I would love to see him,
Speaker 2: shut me up. I would love to targeting him.
Speaker 6: Don't this is this is for next year. When you
Speaker 6: say the only I tell people that's right here. I've
Speaker 6: been on the one in fifteen, I've been on the
Speaker 6: three and thirteen. I don't know how bad it was
Speaker 6: for you ever, you know, because you you you are
Speaker 6: truly a fetter guy.
Speaker 2: But I was.
Speaker 6: I was still on that edge of they getting rid
Speaker 6: of the fat guy and any time.
Speaker 2: So the last game of the season.
Speaker 6: The fact that, yeah, I was praying that I had
Speaker 6: a dud in front of me so I could just
Speaker 6: more him over right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So if I'm if I'm Tobert, I'm I'm like, coach,
Speaker 6: throw me the ball, Throw me the ball.
Speaker 2: You want to you want to leave this game.
Speaker 6: Tobart targeted fifteen times, twelve, one hundred and twenty yards too.
Speaker 2: CDs man, he went off.
Speaker 6: Now make them when they say, hey, what we need
Speaker 6: in the first round and that receiver sitting there, now, No,
Speaker 6: We're gonna go on and get this d lineman. We're
Speaker 6: gonna get this corner back somebody. You know, we got
Speaker 6: somebody that that Hey, he showed what he was worth.
Speaker 6: Are they saying, like, man, do you really believe if you.
Speaker 2: Can't check the box? I want to be able to
Speaker 2: check the box on Tope.
Speaker 3: And I gotta go get that wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Bro, go get somebody be called ceedee Lamb needs some help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, absolutely, especially if Brandon cooks. And we
Speaker 3: saw what happened when it wasn't.
Speaker 6: And Brandon should be your third receiver. He should be
Speaker 6: that slot guy that's moving around. He's situation the situation.
Speaker 6: He's not that guy no more that can really get
Speaker 6: you that thousand yards that you can run him anywhere.
Speaker 6: Back in the day, and it's something about being youthful,
Speaker 6: you can you know them bombs we saw. The few
Speaker 6: bombs we saw were like, why is he running a bomb?
Speaker 2: You remember? Go look at some film. Yeah, he used
Speaker 2: to get those things because he could stop and he
Speaker 2: had enough power. He don't have that room. So he
Speaker 2: should be your third receiver.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is you need T Higgins. Oh Jesus,
Speaker 3: but that's the s see what you want?
Speaker 6: You You talk too much cap for me to go
Speaker 6: out and talk about the T Higgins.
Speaker 2: Don't even do that.
Speaker 3: But that's the quality of receiver. I didn't say how
Speaker 3: much it was gonna.
Speaker 2: You need to do this right here, because you're talking
Speaker 2: out the side of no, no, no, you understanding.
Speaker 3: Okay, how about this. You need Elvin Harper, Yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: you do. So T Higgins is Elvin Harper.
Speaker 2: T I love you, baby.
Speaker 6: But Kim, when he didn't have Michael, that's when he
Speaker 6: went to Tampa.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, yes, it's like, oh, we thought you were
Speaker 3: a number one receiver. No, you were a number two receive.
Speaker 2: You got Tampa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what I meant. Yes, you know, receiver,
Speaker 3: you're gonna go in free agency and spend another thirty
Speaker 3: million dollars the man, goodness gracious. So yeah, you're you're
Speaker 3: right about that. And then from a defensive standpoint, they're
Speaker 3: already playing everybody.
Speaker 6: Yes, right now, you got to decide who you're gonna
Speaker 6: and I'm going at this kid tober. But you know what,
Speaker 6: I don't want to be the average guy.
Speaker 2: I know he's got a where.
Speaker 3: He's playing with the two fingers.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's what I'm saying. I know he's got a
Speaker 6: bad situation. So I don't want to just but man,
Speaker 6: we left training camp knowing that this kid was gonna
Speaker 6: take that next step, and.
Speaker 3: He had a really good draining camp.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: We left training camp knowing he's gonna take the next step,
Speaker 6: and boy, he just like he slipped on something.
Speaker 2: He didn't he The physicality isn't there. Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't see the confidence in his routes. I don't
Speaker 4: see the confidence in him being that targeted wide receiver.
Speaker 4: And I was just so disappointed in it because I've
Speaker 4: been hearing from Spags, I've been hearing from Bill about
Speaker 4: how you know this.
Speaker 2: Is the dude be that guy? Yea, man, he did it. Man,
Speaker 2: he even looked smaller out there I was.
Speaker 4: I was looking for a guy who's bigger, a guy
Speaker 4: who could take on a little bit more. I did
Speaker 4: not see that from them. Now, having said that, I'm
Speaker 4: just like nay Man, I'm me and me and you.
Speaker 4: I'm drafted free agentsy man, I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 4: shot because somebody gave us a shot. I'm gonna give
Speaker 4: you a shot, but you gotta show me. You gotta
Speaker 4: come out there, you gotta show me that you're gonna
Speaker 4: be having some walls.
Speaker 2: Man like you show you're gonna be.
Speaker 6: Larry Brown the last preseason game. Hey boy, you you're
Speaker 6: gonna make the team to day.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna today. I'm watching you closer to that field.
Speaker 2: That's why Larry went out there and showed out and
Speaker 2: there you go, and then it started and there you go.
Speaker 3: I would like to see more of Mingo then, yeah tober.
Speaker 2: Mingo Fornoing. I don't care.
Speaker 6: I don't care.
Speaker 2: You don't care how now pronounce you.
Speaker 6: Know, I don't care. If I see him, I want
Speaker 6: to see. We gave him fourth. I want to see him.
Speaker 6: This other kid Tobert, I want to see man. I mean,
Speaker 6: you can't see with everybody. So it's two guys that
Speaker 6: I've chosen that I want to see. Like, I think
Speaker 6: our offensive line is set.
Speaker 2: We got uh Cooper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So if Zach's not here next year.
Speaker 2: Zach Zach exact, ain't here, I ain't playing that game.
Speaker 6: Right guard is is whoever you wanted to be hot
Speaker 6: from the bass, and then your left guard is the
Speaker 6: all pro we got. He's stable, he's hard nosed. The
Speaker 6: only thing we have to work on, the only thing
Speaker 6: we have to work on is how you're gonna play guy,
Speaker 6: because I think the money keeps still where he's at,
Speaker 6: but we have some type of running abilities, so still
Speaker 6: takes upper level where he still is a C player.
Speaker 6: Now if you run the ball enough, he becomes a
Speaker 6: C plus or B player because he's a he's the
Speaker 6: only he's a play action past time.
Speaker 2: If you ask him to block about forty five times
Speaker 2: past and.
Speaker 6: It ain't happened, but you mix enough run in there,
Speaker 6: he keeps his confidence.
Speaker 3: So where would you like to fit Awsome richardson?
Speaker 6: Austin Richards He's not gonna take the left type of
Speaker 6: job because that as long as a doga and guiding
Speaker 6: over there, they're gonna they're gonna split that into guyde
Speaker 6: and grow up.
Speaker 2: So he he.
Speaker 6: Agent, he's a he's a swing guy. I would like
Speaker 6: to see him if he could play. It is at
Speaker 6: the right tackle, but still is in trench right there right.
Speaker 3: Can Can he play guard?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Richard, he can play guard. He can play he
Speaker 6: can play left guard. Nice, he will be a nice
Speaker 6: left guard.
Speaker 3: Right guard. It's an opportunity to compete there.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: He he competed last year and they ignored him. He
Speaker 6: was in training camp, him and TJ. Bass and Hoffmann
Speaker 6: were the only three that played in every preseason game,
Speaker 6: started every preseason game, played almost every position in preseason game.
Speaker 6: They have proven they competed and they got in the
Speaker 6: game and showed you. So now it's if you want
Speaker 6: to as a coach, is if you know when the
Speaker 6: scouts sitting up saying, hey, we drafted these guys, you
Speaker 6: got to play these guys. The guys that need to
Speaker 6: be gone, it's the guys that's been here, it's you know,
Speaker 6: they need you know, I don't want to call kids
Speaker 6: out because people said I needed to be gone.
Speaker 3: So you know, conceivably could serve as your backup swing
Speaker 3: tackle and guard.
Speaker 6: Richard Richards played left guard in the preseason.
Speaker 3: You remember when he before he got hurt, he was
Speaker 3: getting a rotation left tackle, Yes, right.
Speaker 6: And so he started two pres the games at left
Speaker 6: tackle and then moved into the guard. So the kid,
Speaker 6: the kid can play. Now can he play consistent? Like
Speaker 6: we didn't know Bro Hoffman could be consistent. He's not
Speaker 6: no great athlete, but you know what you're getting and
Speaker 6: he he he solidified that offensive line as great as
Speaker 6: Zach is. Zach was hurt, and I went on every
Speaker 6: show that I could go on saying, why are y'all
Speaker 6: doing this?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? He's injured, he's beat up, he's hurt.
Speaker 6: So we delayed the process by two or three games,
Speaker 6: you know, being you know, being lawyer to Zach, and
Speaker 6: we should have I mean, but at some point a
Speaker 6: coach had to stand up on the table saying, we're
Speaker 6: hurting this kid.
Speaker 2: We're not helping this kid. We're hurting this kid.
Speaker 6: And nobody stood up on the table until he couldn't
Speaker 6: get up off the field. Now we see Hoffman or
Speaker 6: was that a fluke? Then the next game, oh man,
Speaker 6: he going against a kid from.
Speaker 2: New York, the big the big beach from New York.
Speaker 2: He did Okay, he didn't do great, but he did.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, wow, it took all of this, It took.
Speaker 6: Guide and being sick noid doga and we finally get
Speaker 6: to see Austin Richards. That's where it's that's where everything
Speaker 6: changed when he went in the game.
Speaker 3: So the offensive line should be in decent shape.
Speaker 2: No, they're in decent shape. Yeah, they in decent shape,
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Speaker 2: Get.
Speaker 3: So one of the things we need to mention. It's become. Uh,
Speaker 3: everybody's making a big deal out of it, but it's
Speaker 3: probably the general wording in coaches contracts. They're making a
Speaker 3: big deal that Mike McCarthy's contract will expire on January fourteenth.
Speaker 3: Only the Cowboys, right, and nobody else is aspiring, right,
Speaker 3: and also the assistant coaches. Well, the deal in the
Speaker 3: contract language is you have nine days after your final
Speaker 3: game of a freeze there and then the contracts are up,
Speaker 3: so you have nine days to negotiate with your expiring
Speaker 3: contracts for coaches to re sign them. Otherwise you don't
Speaker 3: have to give them permission to go interview with somebody else.
Speaker 6: So which age is already doing but glehead right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And so January fourteenth is the big date. Yes,
Speaker 3: And I like the way Jerry answered this question. They
Speaker 3: asked him if the last game, meaning Sunday against Washington,
Speaker 3: will have any effect on decisions he makes about the
Speaker 3: coaching staff, and he said, we all want to win.
Speaker 3: We want to have the last game a win, so
Speaker 3: that's important. But no, the hay is in the barn
Speaker 3: really for as far as our staff is concerned. The
Speaker 3: qualities of each coaches we know, so it's not like, oh,
Speaker 3: you got beat, you're all gone, right, he said, And
Speaker 3: he said, and he went on to point out the
Speaker 3: circumstances what we dealt with this year has to factor
Speaker 3: into the decision, meaning all the injuries that they've dealt with.
Speaker 3: The Other thing I thought was interesting, he said, he liked,
Speaker 3: he liked the way the staff, including McCarthy, brought along
Speaker 3: young guy eyes. That will give them a better opportunity
Speaker 3: next year to be better. Depth if you agree with
Speaker 3: that depth, I mean you've always been a proponent of
Speaker 3: playing the young guys, yes, sir, and by necessity, they
Speaker 3: played the young guys and still are by the way.
Speaker 6: Ever soon what's your take on that? Now, I never
Speaker 6: heard you go in depth on that.
Speaker 2: Well, then we're going young guys, you know. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I was talking about. The wide receivers. I
Speaker 2: was expecting them to just step up a little better.
Speaker 4: You know, when you play wide receiver, man, if you
Speaker 4: not built strong like like Cook, or if you're not
Speaker 4: wiry like ceed Lambs with that kind of strength, man,
Speaker 4: there's no way you can come out there and go
Speaker 4: against these wide receivers or these DB's man or man.
Speaker 2: And that's what we saw. Once they get up in
Speaker 2: our faces.
Speaker 4: We had the open window closed and I saw no
Speaker 4: one fighting for their quarterback to get open and create
Speaker 4: that that that lane for them. And when you see
Speaker 4: other teams do it, these are not great wide receivers
Speaker 4: doing it on other teams. They're just guys who are
Speaker 4: solid wide receivers.
Speaker 6: But the thing that we are saying on this these
Speaker 6: programs is.
Speaker 2: Oh the coach schemed them. I'll be like, you know what, y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all can tell them fans that foolishness.
Speaker 6: Every receiver is not schemed open who gets a ball
Speaker 6: round to them? You know, I do understand when a
Speaker 6: guy is rubbed or do something, you go a little
Speaker 6: different formation that they ain't seen.
Speaker 2: You may catch them off guard, but that is over hyped.
Speaker 2: Oh they threw it. Oh man, they threw them open. Well,
Speaker 2: what happened when they lose? The coach can't throw them
Speaker 2: open today.
Speaker 6: So the bottom line is you still need athletes like
Speaker 6: you're talking about the job. Yes, I just I just remember,
Speaker 6: and I know this has got to still be the case.
Speaker 6: A dB and the wide receiver going at in one
Speaker 6: on one. To me, that's that's as exciting to me
Speaker 6: as as the Oklahoma drill, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: where you got guys going up against each other one
Speaker 6: on one, that shows what kind of heart you got,
Speaker 6: what you.
Speaker 2: Got I don't want to, uh now, we're not gonna
Speaker 2: get too graphic about.
Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta show you got something. You got
Speaker 4: to show that you got some. You gotta show you
Speaker 4: got something I didn't see fight in our wide receivers,
Speaker 4: and I know what that looks like, because you know,
Speaker 4: I've seen wide receivers get disappointed when they go up
Speaker 4: against good DB's, and these were not good DB's that
Speaker 4: they were going against. These guys need to play, They
Speaker 4: need to be more exciting. They need I mustn't say,
Speaker 4: I must say I think our game plan as far
Speaker 4: as passing is concerned, I think we need to go
Speaker 4: downtown a whole lot more than we do because what
Speaker 4: we do we handcuffed our quarterbacks. Okay, guys, let's start
Speaker 4: off with a quick slant. Let's go with CD on
Speaker 4: the move. Okay, we're gonna make the move inside. We
Speaker 4: get down in the red, We're gonna he's not going inside,
Speaker 4: he's going outside. I mean, come on, I've seen all
Speaker 4: of that myself, because it's been too consistent, meaning they
Speaker 4: run the same, uh lackluster routes that I've seen for
Speaker 4: a long time. And for Dak and those guys to
Speaker 4: be able to do what they've done based on that,
Speaker 4: and I know how it goes. They want to start
Speaker 4: off slow, you want to go short, route short. We're
Speaker 4: gonna set them up, guys, because then when they jump it,
Speaker 4: we're gonna go deep.
Speaker 2: Well by that time you.
Speaker 4: Might have thrown two interceptions because the linebackers are waiting
Speaker 4: on that route running all the time.
Speaker 2: That was very prevalent when they double moved and got free.
Speaker 2: They know what they're running.
Speaker 3: Man. They I think they were so afraid of not
Speaker 3: being able to protect against Philadelphia, but they wanted the
Speaker 3: ball out quick.
Speaker 4: They did, and the defense plays on that. They know
Speaker 4: that you want the ball out quick. So, of course,
Speaker 4: which happened all the bad games that we play.
Speaker 3: But if you listen to how he said he called
Speaker 3: the game, and you can criticize him for it, it
Speaker 3: was we got to control the ball time of possession
Speaker 3: and get the ball out quick. We can't take sacks.
Speaker 4: But but you can't just get it out fight.
Speaker 2: Timing has.
Speaker 6: Miss They hit him twice on the double move. They
Speaker 6: hit him twice. With Jonathan they hit it and he missed.
Speaker 6: Then they hit it another time, Uh Cooks on the.
Speaker 2: Other side, and he missed.
Speaker 6: You can't miss, Coach Lander, tell Danny or whoever, hey,
Speaker 6: when we do this, you can't miss. You can't miss
Speaker 6: because if you miss, now we got to.
Speaker 2: Go back to what we was right. That was the surprise. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the Yeah, you got to man. I just
Speaker 2: think no matter who we play, the m O is
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 4: If you see and of course I know all that
Speaker 4: all offenses have their their their their pageant that they
Speaker 4: get into and their tendencies. I understand that, but if
Speaker 4: you're gonna have those tendencies, then y'all better be on
Speaker 4: the same page. If we're doing this so much, we
Speaker 4: better be on the same page.
Speaker 3: Well, then I think that they should go five wide
Speaker 3: on Sunday and spread it out and just fire away.
Speaker 2: Though, guy against that you gotta get and got to
Speaker 2: pick up his game. Jason Ferguson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, he wasn't the same after he
Speaker 3: suffered that injury. Yeah, gotta get uh Micah his half,
Speaker 3: a sack, Gotta get Aubrey his field goal. Be nice
Speaker 3: if it's a sixty yarder.
Speaker 6: I don't how you do it, why you do it?
Speaker 6: You need to play lights out. I don't care what
Speaker 6: why doing. As a head coach and as a position
Speaker 6: coaching coordinators and as players, every player showed me something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't don't.
Speaker 4: Just go out here and play like it's the last game,
Speaker 4: man win in the playoffs, Well, you're gonna get.
Speaker 3: Cut, though I think they understand that.
Speaker 2: I think I want to I want to reenterate. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get cut if coach.
Speaker 4: You don't quit, and they'll tell everyone else that wants
Speaker 4: to sign he quit on us.
Speaker 6: Instead of seeing cars after the game and family members.
Speaker 2: How that you see a bunch of U hauls lined up?
Speaker 2: Come on man.
Speaker 3: Or the or the movie Man.
Speaker 2: No way you say you want this, sir, So I'll
Speaker 2: leave you with this.
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, I remember Tony Sperano when he was
Speaker 3: here and he had coached like twelve different places right
Speaker 3: of John Fossil's deal, and he said he came home
Speaker 3: one day and his wife was crying. It was here,
Speaker 3: and he goes, what's wrong? And she goes, are we
Speaker 3: moving again? And he goes, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: She goes, there was a moving van in front of
Speaker 3: the house. He goes, that was the neighbors.
Speaker 2: There, which was a player.
Speaker 3: She was so concerned that when the moving vans showed
Speaker 3: up that that was it, that was the They were
Speaker 3: out the door. Which no one really understands. These coaches
Speaker 3: get fired or not rehired it's entire family that it effects.
Speaker 3: So with that, I assume you guys are all going
Speaker 3: to pick the Cowboys to win this.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's how I do.
Speaker 3: Let's let's do it. Eight and nine sounds better.
Speaker 2: Than I just love messing up. I love messing up
Speaker 2: all you guys there, gals.
Speaker 6: I love to draft. They love to talk about the draft.
Speaker 6: A we got you again, Yeah, we got you all right.
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