Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done Yay.
Speaker 2: Another episode of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa, Hello, and I'm Kara, and we
Speaker 1: cover SVU episodes. We recap them, we talk about the
Speaker 1: true crime they're based on, and then we usually interview
Speaker 1: a fabulous guest from the episode, which we will be
Speaker 1: getting in the works very soon. Now that the strike
Speaker 1: is over, we'll be getting guests back into the rotation
Speaker 1: and can't wait until then. We chat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: I guess we should start talking about horror movies and
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. Is is that going to
Speaker 2: be over and over and over again? No, I actually
Speaker 2: have something to say. My tattoo is healing worse than
Speaker 2: any tattoo I've ever got gotten in my life. I
Speaker 2: am pissed. It still hurts five days after. It shouldn't
Speaker 2: be hurting like this. It is the thickest, scabbing and dry.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's like nothing else I've ever experienced
Speaker 2: in my gosh. I email the tattoo shop obviously it's
Speaker 2: too early for them, and then I messaged our friend
Speaker 2: Melissa because she's tatted, and she sent it to her
Speaker 2: tattoo artist.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, that's I guess. My question is, like,
Speaker 1: is that an indication of the tattoo artist when that
Speaker 1: kind of thing happens.
Speaker 4: I think he overworked the skin. I do.
Speaker 2: I think by the end every time he rubbed, it's
Speaker 2: a small tattoo, and I did think it took a
Speaker 2: little longer than it bled more than I usually do.
Speaker 2: I should have now, looking back, I should have taken
Speaker 2: another skin. I should have let it breathe a little bit.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, but I've had those issues with
Speaker 2: other tattoos, Like yeah, I just have probably over twenty
Speaker 2: at this point, and it's nothing has ever looked this thick.
Speaker 4: I mean, sorry to be gross to.
Speaker 1: Everyone, just starting off your day with some thick scabbing
Speaker 1: well because it hurts.
Speaker 2: And but the tattooartist who got back to me was like,
Speaker 2: it's just really angry. You know, I don't think it's infected.
Speaker 2: I've been online, you know, it's I just think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a longer road than I would anticipate. And
Speaker 2: I think it's also because it's in a place where
Speaker 2: I'm wearing clothes and maybe hugging the pillows, like right,
Speaker 2: it might just be like that. But it's just it's tweety.
Speaker 2: So tweety looks scary. Tweety is thickly shedding in a
Speaker 2: way that is not peeling. It's supposed to like peel,
Speaker 2: like a thin layer of peeling. This is thick scabs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, instead of sweety tweety, it's like meaty tweety,
Speaker 1: like we're not loving this Frank and Stine like Frankenstein.
Speaker 2: And so it's just like, I it's not what I
Speaker 2: want when I have to fly home, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be wearing sleeve. It's just like fuck. No, I
Speaker 2: think it was I think it was the art. I
Speaker 2: think he overworked it.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I think he went in too much with the color
Speaker 2: and like went a little too rough. Oh I think
Speaker 2: he was black. I don't know, but I know that
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna go to people I've gone to before,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: I usually also go to random people.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are like you know,
Speaker 2: they research, they find real people, they save up.
Speaker 4: It's a big event. I'm a real last minute girl.
Speaker 2: So I've also dropped into shops all the time, all
Speaker 2: over the world, and nothing.
Speaker 1: Like this, wow wow wow wow thing like this. I'm
Speaker 1: wishing you quick healing and well, not quick at all.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's gonna be the longest that I
Speaker 1: hope it likes not magically starts to heal better.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in other great news, I'm really having a like
Speaker 2: I'm already in World eight for Mario, like I am.
Speaker 2: I got all the way to Bowser and lost, but
Speaker 2: like to get to the final Bowser a childhood me
Speaker 2: would have never imagined.
Speaker 1: Never imagined.
Speaker 2: Even when I was watching the youtubes of certain levels,
Speaker 2: I was like, I will never be able to pass this,
Speaker 2: like this is insane, and I'm like, am I at
Speaker 2: Bowser's castle?
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I feel like I beat a game once
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, but I don't know which
Speaker 1: one it was, Like I remember facing off against Bowser
Speaker 1: at the end, but it was regular nes like probably
Speaker 1: just like Mario one.
Speaker 2: Like but yeah, but if you went to the eighth world,
Speaker 2: because there is a Bowser at the end of Every World.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think it was like we beat the
Speaker 1: game like my brother and I like tag team and
Speaker 1: worked on it together. Wow, I remember.
Speaker 2: I just don't know how it would be so cloudy,
Speaker 2: like you don't remember losing your shit, like that's like
Speaker 2: a memory.
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe I like watched him do it, but like
Speaker 1: I feel like we worked on it together and like
Speaker 1: beat beat one of the Mario game, but it it
Speaker 1: would have only been that one. That's like the only
Speaker 1: one we ever worked that hard on. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: But I'm not starting, but I have like it saved
Speaker 2: at a certain point, so I just go to these
Speaker 2: levels and I'm practicing and going through it. I'm like
Speaker 2: keeping my arsenal of supplies till the end because that's
Speaker 2: my big you know.
Speaker 4: I think I've already told you about this whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm really happy.
Speaker 2: Once I feel ready, I'm gonna do the full the
Speaker 2: full journey.
Speaker 1: I can't wow at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like really see if I can like
Speaker 2: fully beat the game in ones that like like kind
Speaker 2: of like the children did in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Who knows the switch has really changed your life? Okay,
Speaker 1: I went and I saw Mariah Carey and concert at
Speaker 1: the Oh My God Friday, and like I guess I
Speaker 1: just like didn't realize how christmasy it was going to be.
Speaker 1: And it was so awesome. It was so magical, like
Speaker 1: you just walked in and it was like snowflakes and
Speaker 1: like jingle bells and like really really fun. We had
Speaker 1: fine seats, not like amazing, not terrible. And she was
Speaker 1: so different than when I saw her last time, Like
Speaker 1: I think I may have talked here about how I
Speaker 1: was going, and like I saw her five or six
Speaker 1: years ago with Lionel Richie, and she did like forty
Speaker 1: minutes up top. She barely walked. She did not take
Speaker 1: a step on the stage that was unassisted. She was
Speaker 1: lifted up by beefy men or carried or like pushed
Speaker 1: across the stage in a throne. It just all felt
Speaker 1: very kind of like lazy, you know. She was just
Speaker 1: like showing up and was like whatever, and sang a
Speaker 1: few songs, like never finished a song, and like whatever.
Speaker 1: She was strutting around. I don't know if she's on
Speaker 1: ozembic or what. She looks amazing strutting around the stage
Speaker 1: not a person helping her. I was like look at
Speaker 1: her walking on assisted. I can't believe this. And then
Speaker 1: like her kids are out there with her, they're like
Speaker 1: part of the show. Like when I saw her five
Speaker 1: years ago, she brought them out and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this must be so crazy because she
Speaker 1: just brought them out and they just saw thousands of flashlights,
Speaker 1: like and people screaming for them. And now they're like
Speaker 1: part of the show, Like it looks like an old
Speaker 1: navy ad, like a lot of it because it's just
Speaker 1: like her and her kids like doing fun stuff. And
Speaker 1: then at one point, like my friend Liz, who had
Speaker 1: come up to visit me and to go to the
Speaker 1: concert with me, was like, I don't know if she's
Speaker 1: going to do anything non Christmas. And then at this
Speaker 1: part of the show she goes, you know, some people
Speaker 1: were wondering if I was going to do any non
Speaker 1: Christmas songs, and I was like, yeah, Like she did
Speaker 1: a ton of hits and it was whoa. I'm sure
Speaker 1: she did. She did Always Be My Baby, she did
Speaker 1: We Belong Together, she did Oh my God, like I
Speaker 1: think it was was there a fantasy heartbreaker? Shake it Off?
Speaker 1: I think she did Dreamless. She didn't do shake it off.
Speaker 1: I think she did Hearp Fantasy God. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: why don't I remember the set list exactly? But it
Speaker 1: was just really fun and she sounded amazing, like she
Speaker 1: sounded like she does in recordings, which was making me
Speaker 1: wonder if she was really singing. But my friend Liz
Speaker 1: kept going, she's a diva, of course she's really singing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, yeah, no, for sure, it's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I love that rationale, she's a diva. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was just like, no, I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: weird for her to sing with a backing track. I
Speaker 1: mean she sounds just like the recordings, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of rare. You don't like see you know, performers not well,
Speaker 1: it's also not been the track record. Yeah, she has
Speaker 1: lip synced.
Speaker 2: Matteo famously goes, he's gone to this Christmas show, I
Speaker 2: think every year for many many years, and one time
Speaker 2: he did like a red carpet like holiday thing, and
Speaker 2: I went and just saw her do like just the
Speaker 2: hit and she was not singing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So for people to be like, is she singing?
Speaker 1: Is she not? It's you know, it's like the history
Speaker 1: of it too. Yeah, And I didn't really care either way.
Speaker 1: I just said, I wonder if she's singing, and my
Speaker 1: friend was like offended. She was like, of course she's singing.
Speaker 1: I was like, but it sounds so much like I
Speaker 1: went to go see Laura and Hill do, and she
Speaker 1: did like a lot of the mis education. It was
Speaker 1: the a twentieth anniversary of mis Education. She is riffing,
Speaker 1: she's doing different versions of it, like Mariah just sounded
Speaker 1: like the studio records. But everyone was having the best time.
Speaker 1: Everybody like like light up jingle bell hats and shit,
Speaker 1: like it was just fun and like Christmassy, and like
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of like funny old gay men
Speaker 1: behind us that were having a time, and we just
Speaker 1: kept turning around and being like laughing with them. And
Speaker 1: I just had a good time. It was great. Was
Speaker 1: there confetti? No, maybe there was down by her, but
Speaker 1: no not no, not like not a big confetti thing.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: But you know, the projections were like snowflakes. It looked
Speaker 1: like snow and like, oh my gosh, and like she
Speaker 1: did a bunch of alpha changes. She looked gorgeous, like
Speaker 1: she had hot dancers. Like it was great. It was
Speaker 1: a very joke and she they said, Katla told me
Speaker 1: she was going to show up at eight thirty. She
Speaker 1: was on that stage at eight thirty. I was still
Speaker 1: getting a drink. I was like, show might be a
Speaker 1: little bit late because I've been places. I was at
Speaker 1: Foxwood's Casino one time, gambling, just talking to these old ladies.
Speaker 1: They go, we're here to see Mariah, but it's been
Speaker 1: two hours and she's not on the stage yet, and
Speaker 1: they were just playing slots because like, she's notoriously late,
Speaker 1: but she's she's got it together for this tour and
Speaker 1: she's really doing it and she looks great, she sounds great,
Speaker 1: and she's on time. And that's my review. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Queen of Christmas. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's nice. I
Speaker 1: didn't do much.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I did watch the movie Casino, which I never seen. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I famously saw it in the movie theater with
Speaker 2: my parents on a Friday night in a packed theater,
Speaker 2: and it watching it now, I can't imagine what the
Speaker 2: people around.
Speaker 4: My parents were thinking. Well, how old were you a child?
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me see when this came out nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five. I was born in eighty seven, so I
Speaker 2: was eight years old.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was eight years old in the Casino Theater. I
Speaker 2: mean I I do like a joke about this, and
Speaker 2: like I was like, how funny I saw Casino as
Speaker 2: a kid, and I'm like, this fucks me up for sure.
Speaker 4: There's no way this did not fuck me up.
Speaker 2: There is so much blood violence, cutting off fingers, stabbings,
Speaker 2: bearing people alive after beating them to like as they're
Speaker 2: like you see them breathing as sand is covering their body, like.
Speaker 1: Bodies was the was were any memories like flooding back
Speaker 1: from like, oh yeah, I remember watching this when I
Speaker 1: was eight, Like, well, I do a bit about this,
Speaker 1: and I do reference like you know, the guy that
Speaker 1: gets buried alive, and so I had a distant memory
Speaker 1: of that and like people coming out of trunks, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I do remember like trunks
Speaker 1: opening up.
Speaker 2: I remember Sharon Stone, She's like a horrific drug addict.
Speaker 2: Like it like so much death, destruction, mobs.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It's really bloody, it's really wild.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But I also famously did take my niece and nephe
Speaker 2: used to see Keanu in the movie Theater, which did have.
Speaker 1: But the tone of that is a lot more goofy,
Speaker 1: like even though there's some violence, it's like goofy, like
Speaker 1: Casino is like do people do this? Do people bury
Speaker 1: each other alive? Like I don't know, I could see
Speaker 1: that being really really I'm trying to think, like my
Speaker 1: parents were really so strict, like we didn't go out
Speaker 1: to movies that much as a family because you know,
Speaker 1: like taking eight people to the movies is untenable. But
Speaker 1: I remember just like seeing Ghost in the theater with
Speaker 1: my mom and I was probably twelve, but still like
Speaker 1: during the pottery scene, she was like, close your eyes,
Speaker 1: but are they just doing pottery or are they Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like sexual and like I think she was
Speaker 1: like but she was like kidding, But you know, I
Speaker 1: can't even remember a time that I went to a
Speaker 1: movie with my parents where I was like, this was
Speaker 1: a mistake because we barely went to go see anything. Well,
Speaker 1: we went every week, that was our thing, but they
Speaker 1: always took me to fuck up stuff, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: always so packed. Yeah, I think this was the first
Speaker 1: show because we also went to the cheap movie theater
Speaker 1: where it was a little delay movies like they'd been
Speaker 1: out for a few months. Already and so but we
Speaker 1: wentever we and maybe it was because it was opening
Speaker 1: night at that theater, like it what every seat was filled,
Speaker 1: like I was being like I just like felt self
Speaker 1: conscious because also like they would bring cans, and I
Speaker 1: feel like opening a can in a packed theater is
Speaker 1: a sound that haunts me. Oh I used to do that,
Speaker 1: and you have to go like ichw and like try
Speaker 1: to like make a noise while you're doing it.
Speaker 2: That's what we Well, yeah, my dad didn't give a shit,
Speaker 2: so he just opened it.
Speaker 1: He saw nothing wrong all the like a warm gingeral
Speaker 1: burped went.
Speaker 2: But that they weren't at all like we should get
Speaker 2: I might even ask them this on Thanksgiving, Like I
Speaker 2: just don't understand.
Speaker 1: Their point of view.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if it's because they had such like
Speaker 2: wild upbringings in a way, you.
Speaker 1: Mean for bringing you or for bringing in the sodas
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: Not leaving once. Like there's so much blood shooting people,
Speaker 2: you know, stabbings, like you would think you'd be like,
Speaker 2: let's get out of here, I just or let's talk
Speaker 2: about it later and be like this is crazy. There
Speaker 2: was just never no conversation about any of it. That's
Speaker 2: not even the craziest movie I watched. I had no
Speaker 2: supervision at all in any capacity.
Speaker 1: Well, I think also because like your sister's older, Like
Speaker 1: maybe they just kind of like forgot how old you
Speaker 1: were most of the time. Like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: they just were like, she's fine. I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I you should ask them about it at Thanksgiving. I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear the report back. I mean, I saw
Speaker 1: pulp Fiction in the theater with my friend at too
Speaker 1: young of an age, I think. But that was my
Speaker 1: own doing my parents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but did you But that movie is so fucking good.
Speaker 1: But I was in eighth grade and I had like
Speaker 1: never seen somebody like get eighth grade is fine, eighth
Speaker 1: grade hire high. I was traumatized by it. Like just
Speaker 1: like the gimp and all that stuff happening. Say, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it is it gamp or simp. We've
Speaker 1: had this conversation before many a time, But that sounds
Speaker 1: like a limp, you know, like it sounds different, Like
Speaker 1: the whole thing is bring out the gimp. The GIMP's
Speaker 1: sleeping casey am, I right here, you're the cinephile.
Speaker 2: It just sounds like a slur, you know, what I
Speaker 2: mean to me, I'm like, what the fuck did you
Speaker 2: just say to me?
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't sound polite.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is that we used to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the like wiry like thread that you use
Speaker 1: to make bracelets at camp that's like plasticky. We called
Speaker 1: that gimp.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm on, Oh, Urban Dictionary actually has pulp fiction
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 2: It is a derogatory term for someone that is disabled
Speaker 2: and has a medical problem that resents results in physical impairments.
Speaker 1: So you not make that up? You did make that up? No?
Speaker 4: Oh, you all looked at me like I was nuts.
Speaker 1: I was like, it just seems like a slur. Not, no,
Speaker 1: it does, but like I also know it as this
Speaker 1: like plastic thread, which by the way, has its own
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. I'm chatting it to you right now.
Speaker 2: Then it's or it's an insult implying that someone's incompetent, stupid,
Speaker 2: et cetera, or to imply someone's uncool.
Speaker 4: I don't think I would use that.
Speaker 2: And then three a sex slave or submissive, usually male,
Speaker 2: as popularized.
Speaker 4: By the Yew pulp fiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like then the example is, look at that
Speaker 2: gimp in the wheelchair, and it's like I don't think
Speaker 2: we got to come up with a different name for
Speaker 2: a submissive sex slave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't be so close to something that's like
Speaker 1: a slur, basically not.
Speaker 4: Close the exact same word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, but like.
Speaker 2: It just has the I mean, Quentin Tarantino doesn't. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me do simp Urban Dictionary. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Simp is like somebody who's like kissing your ass, Like
Speaker 1: you're simping for someone, right, Like, aren't you like if
Speaker 1: I simp for you for like.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I thought it meant that. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: means a man who puts the hose before the bros. So,
Speaker 2: but that's because I thought, like simp is like a
Speaker 2: cook and so that's why I thought it was in
Speaker 2: the sexual of submissives. I thought it was all a thing,
Speaker 2: But I guess it's all different. Well, let me see
Speaker 2: these necklaces you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this like the it's like at summer camp
Speaker 1: we would make like if you look online, it's like
Speaker 1: you could see a gimp key chain or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's just it's wild.
Speaker 4: It's just oh, I've never seen how is it? Okay?
Speaker 4: Pretty thread?
Speaker 1: I guess They also call it lanyard or something like.
Speaker 4: I grew up calling it lanyard. Lanyard.
Speaker 1: We call it gimp. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, for us, it was like lanyard. Yeah. We
Speaker 2: also someone made us fusion beads, a sign that says
Speaker 2: done done. I loved fusion beads. Is that what they
Speaker 2: were called? Those were like my fucking favorite thing.
Speaker 1: Were you iron and make them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, into cool shapes and like a horror. Oh, I
Speaker 2: fucking love them, I really want to. I actually got
Speaker 2: my friend had surgery and so she had to stay
Speaker 2: in and I got her a big per Oh it's
Speaker 2: pearler bead too, Like got.
Speaker 1: That, oh pearler bead.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got her a bunch because I thought she
Speaker 2: could do it in the home.
Speaker 1: Well, this crafting section of the of the pod has
Speaker 1: really popped.
Speaker 2: Off, I mean unhinged, an unhinged intro for sure. We
Speaker 2: also did go to a fun party. The food was delicious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I got kind of the last of
Speaker 1: the vegetarian food and I was like waiting for there
Speaker 1: to be another tray of it, but I was late,
Speaker 1: So it's my own damn fault. But the food was
Speaker 1: really good. And then there was assorted donuts for dessert
Speaker 1: and which were fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing blew me away. I've had better donuts in
Speaker 2: our neighborhood. Constantly. Sorry, sorry to slam this millionaire's house
Speaker 2: that we were at, but I'm saying yeah, but.
Speaker 1: It was a fun. It was a fun party. Saw
Speaker 1: some old faces, some new faces. I met a kind
Speaker 1: of famous face. It was like everyone was kind of famous.
Speaker 1: I met this famous YouTuber who I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I worked on the Streamy Awards when you were the
Speaker 1: host and I wrote that song you had to sing
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh my god, totally like it
Speaker 1: was so crazy. I was like I can't believe. I'm
Speaker 1: like I never met her like on that, Like I
Speaker 1: was in the room when she was rehearsing it. But
Speaker 1: they were never like here's the person who wrote the
Speaker 1: good as Hell parody song that you did. You know,
Speaker 1: like it is wild there.
Speaker 2: It's like you could just be really famous. And I
Speaker 2: mean this isn't a new concept. It's just very niche.
Speaker 2: It's more niche now the monoculture is dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well there were people that were like tagged
Speaker 1: and photos the next day that I had, like seen
Speaker 1: at the party and was like, who is that? And
Speaker 1: then you click and it's like they have half a
Speaker 1: million followers because they're huge on TikTok or something. I
Speaker 1: just don't know who everybody is. Well, this is the
Speaker 1: thing because I feel like Taylor is so monoculture. But
Speaker 1: I'll be like, who cares about it? At my stand
Speaker 1: up shows and people do not clap. There's like six
Speaker 1: people will clap or four people. No. I was telling
Speaker 1: my friend Liz about some Travis and Taylor stuff because
Speaker 1: you've truly invaded my brain because I used to be
Speaker 1: and I don't care person and no, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, is it real? You know? And and she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't know any of this. I go,
Speaker 1: you didn't see the kiss? Like I was like, I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe she didn't know, like any of it. Like
Speaker 1: I was the you and the conversation and it was
Speaker 1: really funny. But yeah, there is no monoculture anymore. Everybody is.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're an example of it. We're a podcast
Speaker 1: about a very specific television show that you can listen to,
Speaker 1: though some people don't even watch the show and listen
Speaker 1: to us. But you know, everybody's peeling off to their
Speaker 1: exact You can get something in your exact interest anywhere
Speaker 1: you turn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because now that I don't have Instagram, I've been
Speaker 2: like on TikTok and I'm like, who is this woman?
Speaker 1: And why am I listening to her? She needs to
Speaker 1: get away from me. Actually, wait, I have one more
Speaker 1: thing before we start. We are on tour, Babies. We
Speaker 1: have a few more shows left in December, and we
Speaker 1: really want to see you guys there. We're going to
Speaker 1: be in Sacramento on December thirteenth. We're going to be
Speaker 1: in New York City at City Winery on the sixteenth,
Speaker 1: and a second show. Does still have tickets available to
Speaker 1: the nine o'clock show. Let's pack that show out so
Speaker 1: that it's just as fun as the sold out six
Speaker 1: pm show, guys. And then Philly, we'll see your little
Speaker 1: butts on the seventeenth. And then in the new year,
Speaker 1: we're kicking off in Seattle at the Wet City Comedy
Speaker 1: Festival on January seventh. Lisa will be there on the sixth.
Speaker 1: I think you can buy passes for the whole festival,
Speaker 1: but we also have tickets to just our show on
Speaker 1: the website. Which is that's messed up live dot com.
Speaker 1: Please go there to check all locations and get tickets,
Speaker 1: and yes, don't just google our tickets. Some people write
Speaker 1: us and they go, is this how much the tickets are?
Speaker 1: And they show me a screenshot of their cart that
Speaker 1: has like one hundred dollars tickets in it. Those are
Speaker 1: scam sites. Don't get scammed. Go to that's messed up
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Speaker 1: today's episode. It's surveillance. It's season three, episode eighteen, and
Speaker 1: Lisa kept going, you know, it's the one with Emily Deschanel,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, she's a cello player. But this
Speaker 1: one had truly left my mind, Like little bits and
Speaker 1: bobs of it were like I've seen this, I've seen this,
Speaker 1: but this is not a one that I've seen a
Speaker 1: ton of times. And so I got the thrill of
Speaker 1: like it feeling like a new episode to me.
Speaker 2: You know, that is very thrilling, but also through this
Speaker 2: I did some digging and the dis Chanel's are nepos.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm talking about it. Oh I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Oh I knew they were. Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 2: I also thought that, like Zoe was so much more
Speaker 2: famous and successful, but Emily got Bones in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five, Like they've both really been in this. I
Speaker 2: mean Zoe is more like famous, but they're both very successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll just get into it now. This episode
Speaker 1: stars Emily des Chanell. She's the sister of Zoe Deschanell.
Speaker 1: She's the lead actor from Bones, which I love to say,
Speaker 1: like that shout out to Greg Johnson who does a
Speaker 1: great joke about how the voiceover for that show was
Speaker 1: always like next up on Bones. They are classic nepo.
Speaker 1: I kind of always think when they're siblings that get famous,
Speaker 1: they're nepos. Like what are the chances of both of
Speaker 1: you being so successful? I mean, I don't know. We
Speaker 1: talked to Kimberly Williams and Ashley Williams. They both got
Speaker 1: into it kind of like not being nepos, but like.
Speaker 4: Wait, what Mari, the Blondes, the Fannings are they nepos.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question. That's a good question. The
Speaker 1: Fannings feel like they got to come from something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that's just me like profiling white blonde people.
Speaker 4: But oh no, the.
Speaker 2: Elle Fannings considered a NEPO because her sister is Dakota,
Speaker 2: but oh okay, Dakota.
Speaker 1: Busted in and then Elle followed. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's just like I just feel like Rooney and Kate
Speaker 1: Mara like all these different the I feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: the the Nyllen Halls, like est of us is, you know,
Speaker 1: like all kinds of people. Anyway, So their dad, if
Speaker 1: you want to know why their nepos, their mom was
Speaker 1: an actor and their dad is a cinematographer and like
Speaker 1: like a long dp cinematic yeah career, like yeah in
Speaker 1: there really killing it. Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's one of the jobs where if
Speaker 2: you're not in the industry, you might not even understand
Speaker 2: or know like how vital it is.
Speaker 4: Because I don't think I knew.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I think cinematographers are like the most
Speaker 1: important person kind of which I've only realized from like
Speaker 1: being like a little closer to the biz.
Speaker 4: Oh, see.
Speaker 2: I never thought it when I first heard of what
Speaker 2: it's because I remember my friend dated someone in high
Speaker 2: school who I hated, who wanted to be a cinematographer.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not even a real job. The director
Speaker 2: does it. I'm like, you're an idiot. He's like, you're
Speaker 2: an idiot, and I was the idiot.
Speaker 1: And then you see cinematographers and dps in action, and
Speaker 1: it's like they're so important.
Speaker 4: It's like mass important.
Speaker 2: They make the movies look beautiful and set up the
Speaker 2: shop in a way that I thought the director got
Speaker 2: all the credit for, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: But it is the collaboration. I think all the good
Speaker 1: stuff is like when dps and cinematographers and directors have
Speaker 1: worked together before and like have a rapport, Like that's
Speaker 1: all the good shit you see. But you're right, like
Speaker 1: I can't name other cinematographers, like even though there's they're
Speaker 1: so important.
Speaker 2: Well, I worked with one on King of Staten Island.
Speaker 2: That is so important and he made such an impact
Speaker 2: on me. Could not remember his name for the life
Speaker 2: of me. He has an oscar he did there will
Speaker 2: be blood. I'm like the most important man my club.
Speaker 2: So even but on survival the woman who is the DP. Like,
Speaker 2: what I was impressed with was the.
Speaker 1: Attention to detail, Like there would be one thing of
Speaker 1: tinsel hanging from the ceiling and she's like, rip off
Speaker 1: that one piece of tinsel.
Speaker 2: It's at fucking my shot and it'd be like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck, Like I don't know it was, It's just impressive.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're nepos and I just learned that today humiliating.
Speaker 4: We should have known, we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I feel like I always knew that they
Speaker 1: were netpos. And Zoe is obviously a singer, actor, whatever,
Speaker 1: and as mayor is now married to one of the
Speaker 1: property brothers. Emily is married to an actor from It's
Speaker 1: Always Sonny in Philadelphia named David Hornsby, so their children
Speaker 1: will continue to be neppos. And she seems like she
Speaker 1: has a more chill vibe than Zoe, But I mean,
Speaker 1: what the fuck do I know? She also went to
Speaker 1: all the two of the very fancy private schools that
Speaker 1: are here in LA so you know, they were probably
Speaker 1: always knew they were going to be in this biz.
Speaker 2: So that's omen Salter always says. She goes, well, my
Speaker 2: children are going to be nepos. So I have to
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess my kids are comedy nepos. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to do anything for them.
Speaker 1: But we open on this episode with Emily d Chanelle
Speaker 1: making out with a man and older movies and TV
Speaker 1: from like a little I feel like we're moving away
Speaker 1: from like loud, sloppy kissing noises in movies and television
Speaker 1: because my miss Offonio really hates that. But when you
Speaker 1: watch old stuff and you see people making out in
Speaker 1: old movies, always such loud slapping noises. But anyway, she's like,
Speaker 1: you want to come up, and he's like, I've got
Speaker 1: an early morning and after last night, I bet ar rest.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they had a fuck vest last night. Who knows.
Speaker 1: He kisses her hand, but her hair is covering it,
Speaker 1: so it does look like he's just kissing a chunk
Speaker 1: of her hair. And she's entering the apartment now, and she,
Speaker 1: like so many of us, just leaves the door open
Speaker 1: right behind her for a second while she drops her keys,
Speaker 1: and a man rushes in from behind her and attacks her,
Speaker 1: hits her, knocks her out, then pulls out a knife
Speaker 1: cuts a huge chunk of her hair, her recently kissed
Speaker 1: hair off and done done. You know, not good. We
Speaker 1: cut to the crime scene. Evidence numbers are on the ground,
Speaker 1: there's blood on the carpet. We find out that this
Speaker 1: girl's name is Cassie Jermaine. She's a cellist with the
Speaker 1: Manhattan Symphony. Her boyfriend dropped her off after a date
Speaker 1: and then a purp jumped her, tore her dress. It
Speaker 1: looks like rape, but there were no witnesses. She's in
Speaker 1: the bedroom and according to this cop, the guide did
Speaker 1: a number on her. So Benson is stable rushed back
Speaker 1: to the bedroom to talk to her. Cassie's telling them
Speaker 1: what's up while an EMT examines her. She's like, look,
Speaker 1: I blacked out. When I woke up, I was bleeding.
Speaker 1: He shredded my clothes, he cut my hair. He didn't
Speaker 1: say anything. And then the EMT goes, mind if I
Speaker 1: show them. He doesn't even really wait for her to answer,
Speaker 1: and just like opens up the blanket that's around her
Speaker 1: shoulders and we see that she has the word horror
Speaker 1: written in bloody caps across her chest. So we've seen
Speaker 1: branding before on this show. This might I don't know
Speaker 1: when they first started. But this is an early season,
Speaker 1: so they do love to do this and this, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, send messages on people's skin. Well, what city
Speaker 1: were we in?
Speaker 2: I think we were in Toronto, right where the actress
Speaker 2: from the episode Zebras who had Guilty written was in
Speaker 2: the audience.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very exciting.
Speaker 1: That was so great. And in Toronto we met the
Speaker 1: sister of the guy who plays the foreman in Beef.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, the guy what it was, the
Speaker 1: guy who punches Olivia and the face while she's dressed
Speaker 1: as a Russian cleaner. So was Guilty in Atlanta?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, we met her in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Wait, since we are just mentioning to our stuff, I
Speaker 2: do want to give a shout out Craig's Cookies in Toronto,
Speaker 2: whoever gave us the Nibs Cookies changed my life, Killer
Speaker 2: Killer and Cleveland Susan Suzin l Chocolate tears, chocolate covered
Speaker 2: Friedo's one of the best things. Kara and I both
Speaker 2: ate to the point where I was about to say
Speaker 2: it out loud, and then Kara goes, I think this
Speaker 2: is the best thing I've ever eaten, And I was like,
Speaker 2: that's what I was just the.
Speaker 1: Best, say, the chocolate covered FreeDOS were. I was like,
Speaker 1: these are the best thing I've like ever put in
Speaker 1: my mouth, just salty, sweet, crunchy all together. And many
Speaker 1: people have written me telling me that Trader Joe's, like
Speaker 1: chocolate clusters or something like that, or crunchy clusters might
Speaker 1: give me the same satisfaction, So I will be looking
Speaker 1: out for those. I'm a Trader Joe's nut and I've
Speaker 1: never seen those, so I hope they're not like foreign
Speaker 1: to California. No, but I've seen online, like you know,
Speaker 1: people were really into like some fried pickle hotgh dog
Speaker 1: thing and it kept selling out, Like when Trader Joe's
Speaker 1: has a new fun item, or those peppermint cones, like
Speaker 1: it seems like you have to get there at Monday
Speaker 1: at nine am or you're at a luck, So that
Speaker 1: might be one of the popular items that peppermint jojo.
Speaker 1: I love a peppermint jojo. Oh my god, those go quick.
Speaker 2: If you find one, let me try one because I
Speaker 2: love peppermint.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, so this it's expensive.
Speaker 2: But at Sip and Snack, we live by a bougie bodega.
Speaker 4: They have like McSweeney mcsworley's.
Speaker 2: I don't know, both are wrong, but they have a
Speaker 2: pint of ice cream that's twelve dollars, which is a lot.
Speaker 2: But I bought the peppermint stick flavor ones and it's
Speaker 2: paid ice cream.
Speaker 1: It was to die for. No, you don't do that
Speaker 1: one day ice cream is what we had on parents
Speaker 1: weekend at camp. When parents come show weekend, there's peppermint
Speaker 1: stick ice cream. That's like the only time you get
Speaker 1: it the whole summer, and it's like my favorite ice
Speaker 1: cream and you just don't find it in a lot
Speaker 1: of places. Well, it's right near our house. It's just Atnately.
Speaker 1: Twelve dollars. Well, I'm gonna treat myself one of these.
Speaker 1: But when I dug in I understood the price. I
Speaker 1: would say that I think it's overpriced, but I was like,
Speaker 1: this is delicious. Everything at Sip and Snack is wild.
Speaker 1: It's like you go in there being like I'll just
Speaker 1: grab a candy bar and it's like cacao nibs. Like
Speaker 1: it's very but whatever. If you live in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: go there. It's really cute. If you're looking for fancy snacks.
Speaker 2: I've been talking about the chocolate covered Britos to everyone.
Speaker 2: I can get it face to face, and everyone always
Speaker 2: asks milk or dark chocolate, and I go, they asked
Speaker 2: us what we liked, and we said milk, and then
Speaker 2: everyone looks at me with disgust, and I'm like, fuck you.
Speaker 1: I'm done pretending dark chocolate is good. It's bitter.
Speaker 2: If I want something bitter, I'll fucking eat Celery, Like,
Speaker 2: get the fuck away from me.
Speaker 4: I want milk chocolate.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's so good and it's so Everybody
Speaker 1: acting like milk chocolate has not raised us is crazy.
Speaker 2: It's so good sweet. I just can't do it. Then
Speaker 2: don't eat candy, you fucking bunch.
Speaker 1: I love sweet. Look at Casey, Casey loves dark. What
Speaker 1: do you like?
Speaker 4: Do you like dark chocolate? What are you eating?
Speaker 1: Casey?
Speaker 5: I am milk chocolate all the way. I don't know
Speaker 5: when dark chocolate took over the universe. It's really a
Speaker 5: pandemic and I hate it.
Speaker 1: I'm all. I'm milk chocolate all the way. Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you for speaking out and speaking up and being on
Speaker 1: the right side of chocolate history with us, because yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, like whatever, I understand if you are being health
Speaker 2: conscious and you're trying to limit your sweets, and you go,
Speaker 2: I just have a little dark chocolate to feed, my feed,
Speaker 2: my feed the beast at that.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, but be honest, you don't like.
Speaker 1: But to act like, to act like milk chocolate is disgusting,
Speaker 1: is so crazy to me. I think it's so good.
Speaker 1: And I hope we hate our chocolate over here. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of UK listeners. I know you hate
Speaker 1: all of our chocolate over here anyway, but look, this
Speaker 1: is what we were raised on and this is what
Speaker 1: we eat, and I love it. That chocolate from that
Speaker 1: Chocolates here in Cleveland was delicious. We ate chocolate covered oreos.
Speaker 1: We were eating all the chocolate covered stuff they gave
Speaker 1: us and it was so freaking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kara, but you flew back home and left me
Speaker 2: with the box of chocolates that I then continue.
Speaker 4: To eat the whole week.
Speaker 1: And I was I was supposed to be a host gift,
Speaker 1: like I was gonna with my friend. I was like
Speaker 1: give it to our friends.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, I'm staying, do you want some candy?
Speaker 2: And then I had probably four to five chocolates today.
Speaker 1: It was just so good. A little bit of dark chocolate.
Speaker 1: I guess on like a chocolate covered strawberry, maybe I
Speaker 1: can do, but like, I'm really just not It's I'm
Speaker 1: over like I don't like it, the dark chocolate. It's
Speaker 1: not for me. But anyway, I'm a strawberry that is, sir.
Speaker 1: In some situations, I'll do it, but it's not like
Speaker 1: I'm milk. I'm a milk girl. So anyway, Benson rides
Speaker 1: along with Cassie to the hospital while Stabler chills at
Speaker 1: the crime scene and at CSU tech is like, I
Speaker 1: got something. There's a smash lamp on the ground that
Speaker 1: happened during the struggle, but the tech has found a
Speaker 1: tiny hidden camera inside of it dunk Dunn, who is
Speaker 1: bugging this woman's house. Stabler goes, oh, so somebody could
Speaker 1: have watched the whole attack, and the guy goes, no,
Speaker 1: they still are. The camera is live and we see
Speaker 1: the POV of the video and Stabler in the tech
Speaker 1: are in black and white like staring into the lens
Speaker 1: and that's when we hit the credits. So top of
Speaker 1: Act one, Munch is now at the apartment with Teru
Speaker 1: aka Morales aka friend of our Podge, Old de la
Speaker 1: Fuente and he's got a fancy machine that is trying
Speaker 1: to detect if there are other cameras in the place.
Speaker 1: And he picks something up on the machine and finds
Speaker 1: that there's another camera inside the smoke detector, and that
Speaker 1: one was aimed right towards the bed, and Munch is like,
Speaker 1: I've got hangnails bigger than that thing, and I don't
Speaker 1: like hearing that. Finn is there and he and the
Speaker 1: CSU guy just found another one. So that's a total
Speaker 1: of four. So this is a high tech peeping tom.
Speaker 1: They say, Okay, Kara, you're gonna be mad at me.
Speaker 1: I did tell you something disgusting that happened, oh in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and you obviously reminded me.
Speaker 2: You said hang nail, and I should I know it?
Speaker 2: Should I tell Casey?
Speaker 4: You have to.
Speaker 2: Okay, Lovely people came to my stand up show. They
Speaker 2: came to the podcast as well. I might get a
Speaker 2: message from Pittsburgh, but I think, you know, basically after
Speaker 2: the show, someone decided through crowd work it came up.
Speaker 1: But basically he holds part.
Speaker 2: He holds a fingernail behind his ear, and it's his
Speaker 2: backup fingernail because he likes to pick at his nails,
Speaker 2: and then when he doesn't have any nails left, he
Speaker 2: always has a nail waiting for him behind his ear,
Speaker 2: and he takes He took out the nail from behind
Speaker 2: his ear and showed me the loose fingernail and then
Speaker 2: put it. I keep gagging. I'm sorry, this is this
Speaker 2: is probably bad for anyone listening for you on the pony.
Speaker 4: And then he put the nail back in his ear
Speaker 4: for comfort. So that's that.
Speaker 1: Are we talking like the clipping of when you just
Speaker 1: clip a nail like the little crescent moon?
Speaker 4: Okay? Yeah, God, do you have a comment, Casey?
Speaker 5: No, I mean we're recording this on Halloween, and that
Speaker 5: really felt like a horror story.
Speaker 1: Bookiest thing you're gonna hear, spookiest thing you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: this Halloween, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: And it's fine.
Speaker 2: We all have deep, dark secrets. But to show me
Speaker 2: your comfort nail you hide behind your ear after I'm
Speaker 2: you know, feeling good after a nice fun show was
Speaker 2: hard and I did kick him out. I go, you
Speaker 2: need to leave, I go. Our time is done here
Speaker 2: and you need to get out of here. But they
Speaker 2: were great, you know who they were with? They were
Speaker 2: with the espresso martini guy. I think, unless I'm mixing
Speaker 2: it up, but I feel like we love him, and
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: With with our friends. I think, I think I'm not
Speaker 1: fucking it up.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you regret hearing that, Casey,
Speaker 2: or if anyone had to listen to my gag noises
Speaker 2: on the podcast, but I have a really sensitive gag reflux.
Speaker 2: I've poked on a dick, like things happen. Oh god, wow,
Speaker 2: it was just bud light strawberry.
Speaker 1: He's covering his eyes. He's like, oh no, it was
Speaker 1: just bud light Strawberina. Oh no, Okay, back to the episode.
Speaker 1: I gotta go to like a chunky puke on the dick.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, Strawberita. I gotta get to
Speaker 1: a harvest festival and remember a dick being puked on
Speaker 1: with bright red fruit punch for the next couple hours.
Speaker 1: So this they're saying that the receiver for this these
Speaker 1: cameras is one hundred and fifty to three hundred yards
Speaker 1: is the range. I don't understand yards, Like people are
Speaker 1: always like, ah, a couple hundred yards. I don't really
Speaker 1: know what that means. This is four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: to nine hundred feet, and nine hundred feet is like
Speaker 1: a quarter of a mile, so that's like about like yards.
Speaker 1: Confuse me too much, Like a quarter of a mile
Speaker 1: is basically like the radius, the max radius, and that's
Speaker 1: like that seems kind of close, but in New York City,
Speaker 1: that's like thousands and thousands of residences and like offices,
Speaker 1: which Munch points out. So at the hospital now, now,
Speaker 1: Cassie's wrapping up her exam when Olivia comes in, and
Speaker 1: Cassie's like, any news on the rape kit, and Benson's like,
Speaker 1: no fluids or lacerations, but Benson said, that's not unusual.
Speaker 1: And She's like, she just wants to know if she
Speaker 1: was raped or not. And Benson's like, we just don't
Speaker 1: know for sure yet. The haircutting, the clothes tearing, the
Speaker 1: writing on the body does prove it is a sexually
Speaker 1: motivated assault. Can you think of any enemies you have?
Speaker 1: And she's like no, Benson's like his voice, smell, shoes, anything.
Speaker 1: She's like, it all happened too fast, you know, she
Speaker 1: was knocked out within seconds, so she doesn't get anything.
Speaker 1: Nobody else has keys to her apartment, she said, and
Speaker 1: Benson breaks the news about the hidden cameras, and she's
Speaker 1: obviously understandably freaked out and is like how long and
Speaker 1: like how long have they been there? She's like, we
Speaker 1: don't know. Could this be the same guy. It could
Speaker 1: be like the person that planted the cameras could be
Speaker 1: the person that attacked you. Benson promises that we've swept
Speaker 1: the apartment, the cameras are gone, and Cassie's like, where's
Speaker 1: my boyfriend? He's outside waiting to take her home, and
Speaker 1: she's like, it'll never be home again, which you know,
Speaker 1: I always think about that on these shows when people
Speaker 1: get like a they did an episode of this with
Speaker 1: that blonde actress I can't remember. I don't know her name,
Speaker 1: but where she is attacked in her home and what
Speaker 1: it is like to go back to.
Speaker 4: Is it the one with Michael J. Fox's wife?
Speaker 1: No different one but Tracy polland those are early ones,
Speaker 1: and I do love those episodes because I think those
Speaker 1: really really handle like the like trauma really well and
Speaker 1: like what like how different people respond afterwards. But this
Speaker 1: one was like a more recent episode. It's like this
Speaker 1: girl with blonde hair. I think it might be called
Speaker 1: Wonderland or something like that that's coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: But she gets attacked in her home and then she
Speaker 1: comes back to it, it's torn apart from the police,
Speaker 1: it's covered in like black fingerprint powder. She has to
Speaker 1: get her locks changed. It's just like kind of the
Speaker 1: reality of like what happens. You don't just like go
Speaker 1: home and go back to bed after you leave the hospital,
Speaker 1: after you know, you file a report. So it's just
Speaker 1: you know, interesting, you.
Speaker 4: Know what else just hit me?
Speaker 2: I wonder if we're gonna get a bunch of dms
Speaker 2: from people being like I keep a fingernail behind my ear,
Speaker 2: how Darius?
Speaker 1: So no, no, no, if you do that, you need to
Speaker 1: not write us. We can't hear about it. I can't
Speaker 1: hear about it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: sure I do something that grosses you out and we're
Speaker 1: just not going to talk about it. So in the
Speaker 1: hospital waiting room, Stabler is questioning the boyfriend and he's
Speaker 1: immediately like, you don't think me the boyfriend, the one
Speaker 1: most statistically likely to attack my partner attacked my partner,
Speaker 1: do you? And he's like, don't forget whoever had those
Speaker 1: cameras was spying on me too, and you know he's
Speaker 1: like the only person she had problems with was her conductor,
Speaker 1: Robert Prescott. He's been after her since she joined the
Speaker 1: symphony six months ago. She says she said him straight,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I don't buy it. This conductor guy
Speaker 1: does not take no for an answer. He goes ask
Speaker 1: Valerie Baxter. She's the violinist he was involved with last season.
Speaker 1: Rumor is he was abusive. A month after she left,
Speaker 1: he hired Cassie, turned her into his little pet project,
Speaker 1: set her up in Valerie's old apartment. He owns the apartment,
Speaker 1: so that's a huge done done h. Reagan is talking
Speaker 1: to Benson and he can't believe this guy, like, maybe
Speaker 1: didn't sexually assault the woman since the attack was so rageful,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, maybe he didn't have a chance.
Speaker 1: The police got there five minutes after this alarm was
Speaker 1: triggered because she never entered in her code. The boyfriend
Speaker 1: was in a cab. He's alibied it wasn't him, And
Speaker 1: then they're talking to Cragan telling him all the details
Speaker 1: that they learned, but it's confusing.
Speaker 2: Like how did the boyfriend leave within a few seconds
Speaker 2: and miss the person coming in, Like the trade off
Speaker 2: was so fast that person could have been waiting in
Speaker 2: the hallway for hours, Yeah, like hidden somewhere else, you know,
Speaker 2: just like waiting for her to come home, you know.
Speaker 2: So they're talking to Kragan, giving him all the details
Speaker 2: they learned about from the boyfriend about Prescott the Maestro,
Speaker 2: and it's possible that he planted the cameras. Munch suggests, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe he got tired of being a couch potato or
Speaker 2: Finn says maybe he hired someone to spice up the show.
Speaker 2: So Benson points out, either way, the point was to
Speaker 2: humiliate her, cutting her hair, writing a horror on her body.
Speaker 1: Like, So they want to talk to Prescott, obviously, but
Speaker 1: his secretary said he's upstate looking at investment properties. And
Speaker 1: the lab tracked the cameras to a place called Quark International,
Speaker 1: which is a spy shop, and Live just tracked down
Speaker 1: Valerie at the New York School of Music. So now
Speaker 1: they're talking to Valerie, and she's telling Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: that Prescott told her she had a gift. She seems
Speaker 1: like a little bit like meek Valerie, She's like a
Speaker 1: little bit nervous talking to them and you know she's
Speaker 1: a violinist and putting her violin away and stuff, and
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, Prescott told me I had a gift
Speaker 1: and we'd work late into the night together and he
Speaker 1: would drill me until my fingers bled. But it worked.
Speaker 1: I was feeling the music on a deeper level than
Speaker 1: I ever thought it possible. And then she says things
Speaker 1: got sexual about a month into the private lessons. He
Speaker 1: made her feel special and that she could be a
Speaker 1: concert violinist, and he became abusive only after she said
Speaker 1: she wanted to bounce. So this guy's very controlling. One night,
Speaker 1: when he was asleep, she found she went to go
Speaker 1: get a blanket out of a cabinet and she found
Speaker 1: a video camera aimed through a hole in the wall,
Speaker 1: and there was a row of tapes with women's names
Speaker 1: on them. And she was like, that's when I realized
Speaker 1: I was just another chapter in his tape collection. And
Speaker 1: when she tried to end it with him, he turned vicious.
Speaker 1: He berated and threatened her, and she's like, I couldn't
Speaker 1: pick up my violin without shaking. So now Munch and
Speaker 1: Finn are at the spy shop and I'm sorry but
Speaker 1: this just reminds me of my friend who I won't
Speaker 1: get into this too much, but Lis, I think you
Speaker 1: know the story. My friend was working for her brother
Speaker 1: and trying to help other people at the brother's business
Speaker 1: get certified for this really bureaucratic government test. So she
Speaker 1: was taking the test, and she went to a spy
Speaker 1: shop and bought a spy button for her shirt. And
Speaker 1: she went in and I honestly think it's this shirt
Speaker 1: this store, because she told me where it was. It's
Speaker 1: kind of near the Empire State Building and I think
Speaker 1: that's where this is. And she got this spy thing,
Speaker 1: and she was taping herself taking the test so that
Speaker 1: she could help other people. And it's just one of
Speaker 1: the funniest things. I can't get into too much detail
Speaker 1: about it because they don't want anybody to get in trouble.
Speaker 1: You can't go into detail, but I do want to
Speaker 1: add she was doing good work because a lot of
Speaker 1: the people she was helping were English second language people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so the test was just unfair to people who
Speaker 1: might not have a grasp on the language. So she
Speaker 1: wasn't just cheating for fun. She wanted to have exactly
Speaker 1: exactly and the test was worded really really confusing. Even
Speaker 1: her brother who's the boss, goes, I don't think I
Speaker 1: could pass this test like it's so worded crazy, And
Speaker 1: then for people that are like ESL, like it was
Speaker 1: just impossible and they're all great at their jobs, they
Speaker 1: just needed to like pass this test. So but didn't
Speaker 1: you say that didn't get caught and it was a
Speaker 1: funny punishment. She did get caught, and her only punishment
Speaker 1: is that she's not allowed to work in that industry anymore,
Speaker 1: and that is not something she's ever wanted to do.
Speaker 1: So it was actually fine, But I just think it's
Speaker 1: hilarious that they even were like monitoring it so closely.
Speaker 1: But damn, Like, I wonder if people are just cheating
Speaker 1: on the essay constantly. So now they're at the spy shop.
Speaker 1: They're talking to this nerd. He's showing them all his
Speaker 1: sneaky little cams and recorders and he's like, yeah, since
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, this stuff's been flying off the shelves
Speaker 1: because we're what are we like, not even not even
Speaker 1: six months from nine to eleven when this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: and they do mention it quite a few times, so
Speaker 1: he looks up the equipment from the apartment and he's like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: Like that's quite in order. That would have run you
Speaker 1: a couple thousand dollars worth of like spy equipment. And
Speaker 1: so it was ordered online and it was charged to
Speaker 1: Herman Garfunkel in Queens, who they of course tracked down
Speaker 1: and he has been dead for years, so this is
Speaker 1: the case of stolen identity. The stuff was all delivered
Speaker 1: to a PO box at a You Mail It which
Speaker 1: is near Cassie's apartment and near the conductor's penthouse, both
Speaker 1: within range of the camera. Do conductors make a lot
Speaker 1: of money? Like, I didn't know a conductor would have
Speaker 1: like not only a penthouse, but another apartment he rents
Speaker 1: out and then investment opportunities upstate. Like my uncle's a
Speaker 1: professional violinist and he has a nice house outside of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: but like a New York City penthouse feels like And
Speaker 1: I know sectors would make more money.
Speaker 2: I wrote conductor salary, but it's all trained conductors. So
Speaker 2: one second, Oh, it's how No, I think, Okay, maybe
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I think you have to come from family money.
Speaker 2: I think it's like you're in the arts, like I'm
Speaker 2: sure he has family money. The salary estimates for orchestra
Speaker 2: musical conductor are only fifty to sixty nine k. You're
Speaker 2: in LA and then to be an orchestra musician is
Speaker 2: eleven to twenty seven per hour.
Speaker 1: And this is in La. Okay.
Speaker 2: The comparably music conductor salary. This is from October twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. The salaries of music conductors in the US
Speaker 2: range from thirteen grand to three hundred and fifty one thousand,
Speaker 2: with a median of sixty three thousand.
Speaker 1: Even if he's making three hundred and fifty thousand the top,
Speaker 1: that's really not penthouse money in New York City.
Speaker 4: No, I think he comes from money. I think it's
Speaker 4: one of those jobs.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like you'll meet someone that is on
Speaker 2: a board of a chair and it's like you obviously
Speaker 2: come from wealth, or you have a bout a bag.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Okay, So anyway, that's caught my attention. So Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: we need into that penthouse, and Cabot's there to be like, Babe,
Speaker 1: we do not have enough for a warrant. And they're like,
Speaker 1: what about Valerie being taped without her consent? And she
Speaker 1: doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and she's like,
Speaker 1: it's not really about the right to privacy, it's about
Speaker 1: keeping the government out of our bedrooms. And the courts
Speaker 1: are like really horny for that protection, but I don't.
Speaker 1: It's so weird that you'll just let like a spycam
Speaker 1: into people's bedrooms. Anyway, Craigan argues that it's the same
Speaker 1: as breaking and entering, and Cabot's like, no, he owns
Speaker 1: the apartment, he has certain rights to entry, so whatever
Speaker 1: he may have taped the attack, we need a reason
Speaker 1: to search his place. And Cabot's like, okay, but you
Speaker 1: have to limit the warrant to the receiver or any
Speaker 1: videos and equipment. It's like, why didn't you just say
Speaker 1: that to start? Like at first she's like there's no way,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, okay, you can do it. But
Speaker 1: so anyway, this man has a very lackluster penthouse. They're
Speaker 1: in the bedroom and there's barely any furniture. They're searching
Speaker 1: his bedroom and then live walks over to this huge
Speaker 1: armor that has literally every single thing they're looking for,
Speaker 1: a camera aimed at the bed, tons of videotapes. They
Speaker 1: start bagging them up up and Olivia's like, looks like
Speaker 1: we have a long night ahead of us. Cuts to
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler watching their tenth homemade porno from this conductor,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, he really seems to favor that one
Speaker 1: position there and it's really funny, and Sabler's like, at
Speaker 1: least he's consistent. So Finn and Craigan and Munch bust
Speaker 1: In and Finn goes, wait till you see this. They
Speaker 1: all sit down to watch it, and done. Done. It
Speaker 1: is Cassie in his room. They're kissing there. She seems
Speaker 1: very consensually hooking up with this man, seemingly and this
Speaker 1: was recorded last month, so she's obviously been keeping a secret,
Speaker 1: maybe out of fear or embarrassment, and the Maestro wants
Speaker 1: to let her know whose boss, So let's get him in.
Speaker 1: Let's get them in there. Craigan says, that's the end
Speaker 1: of act one. So now Benson and Stabler have Cassie
Speaker 1: in interrogation Wooden blinds not Cement and bars and they're like,
Speaker 1: tell us the truth, like, what's up with you in Prescott?
Speaker 1: And she's like, he threatened to ruin my career, Like
Speaker 1: she said, I met him eight months ago at the
Speaker 1: Castle's competition. When I won, he offered to bring me
Speaker 1: in New York City. Sex was not part of the deal.
Speaker 1: And she does have the exact same voice as her sister,
Speaker 1: Like when I was listening to her talk, I was like,
Speaker 1: you sound like Zoe Deschanel, Like they sound alike. And
Speaker 1: she's like, he got me the best instructors. He introduced
Speaker 1: me to all the right people. He set up my
Speaker 1: debut here in New York, and he was there whenever
Speaker 1: I needed him. And she's like, I guess I fell
Speaker 1: in love. So then one night she stopped by his
Speaker 1: apartments to surprise him with a birthday gift, and he
Speaker 1: was in bed with another woman. So she told him
Speaker 1: it was over. She was quitting the orchestra. He flipped
Speaker 1: out and said he invested too much in her. He
Speaker 1: showed her the tape and he's like, hey, babe, you leave.
Speaker 1: I tell everyone in this business about like I'll just
Speaker 1: show this to everyone. And it's like that would also
Speaker 1: make you look crazy, like you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: think you'll get much conductor work if everyone thinks you're
Speaker 1: like secretly taping people that you're fucking and so she
Speaker 1: threatened the police and he said, it's my word against yours,
Speaker 1: go for it. And this was a little over a
Speaker 1: month ago, and they're like, has he's threatened you since?
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, not exactly, but I've been getting
Speaker 1: phone calls and flowers every after every concert she gets home,
Speaker 1: there's flowers at her door with a card that says, ah,
Speaker 1: my love me. And whenever she gets to her apartment,
Speaker 1: the phone starts ringing and when she answers it, the
Speaker 1: person hangs up. So she thought it was Robert the conductor,
Speaker 1: trying to intimidate her, and it's like, girl, how do
Speaker 1: you think he knows when to call? And she finally
Speaker 1: gets it. It's like, yeah, he's been watching you like
Speaker 1: she never thought he would ever hurt her, And she
Speaker 1: gives the name of the florists, and then Finn knocks
Speaker 1: to let them know that the Maestro has arrived with
Speaker 1: his lawyer. And the maestro's obviously reminding me of the
Speaker 1: Seinfeld with the Maestro. I'm sure you as well. So
Speaker 1: now we've got the Maestro in interrogation, but he's in
Speaker 1: cement and bars, so you know different, you know, well,
Speaker 1: he's not he's not a victim she is. So he's
Speaker 1: in Cement and Bars and his lawyer is the gorgeous
Speaker 1: Trevor Langan, mister MRSCA Hargatea aka Personal laundry spokesperson Peter Herman,
Speaker 1: and he is arguing that this is all private acts
Speaker 1: between consenting adults, and Olivia's like, oh, did they consent?
Speaker 1: And she and he goes of course, And they're like,
Speaker 1: what about Valerie. She didn't consent to be taped, and
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, you guys didn't notice what a fragile
Speaker 1: baby bird she is. She had visions at stardom. I
Speaker 1: did everything I could to help her, but there was
Speaker 1: only so much I could do with the material. And
Speaker 1: then Stabler goes, well, you did every which way you could,
Speaker 1: and Langan goes, watch it, detective, and the guy goes,
Speaker 1: I promise you a good time was had by all everyone.
Speaker 1: Everyone involved loved my NonStop missionary. So what about Cassie?
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I enjoy working with her. She's very talented.
Speaker 1: And they're like, she lives in your apartment and what's
Speaker 1: with the apartment. He's like, it's a tax right off
Speaker 1: for my loan out which I rent at a loss
Speaker 1: to visiting musicians and new hires. And I also have
Speaker 1: two other apartments on the in the sixties, so on
Speaker 1: the Upper West Side? Are they loaded up with cameras too?
Speaker 1: What about the flowers and the love notes? And he goes,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're talking about. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't think me a creepy sex nut who tapes
Speaker 1: every sexual move I make without my partner's consent could
Speaker 1: be responsible for this attack. And he's producing her New
Speaker 1: York debut on Friday. He's like, I'm gonna make her
Speaker 1: a star. Why the fuck would I do that? Like,
Speaker 1: why would I mess with that? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: because she rejected you and you don't like that, And
Speaker 1: where were you when the attack happened And he goes,
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I was with a woman.
Speaker 1: And he goes, they go, give us a name, and
Speaker 1: he goes, you already have a name. It's on the
Speaker 1: last tape, time coded and dated. And this guy's very
Speaker 1: cringy and live looks like she wants to kill him.
Speaker 1: And his name is Michael Nader. He actually passed away
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. He was on Dynasty and all
Speaker 1: my children, and I watched him on all my children
Speaker 1: for years. His character's name was Dimitri. He had dark hair,
Speaker 1: he looked different, but he was on all my children.
Speaker 1: That voice, I remember it. He has a really like
Speaker 1: kind of this guy ose. So anyway, of course, this
Speaker 1: is the moment Craigan busts in as usual to pull
Speaker 1: one or both of the detectives out. He summons Elliot.
Speaker 1: He's like Elliott out here, Craigan says. Munch and Finn
Speaker 1: called from the concert hall there's been another attack. So
Speaker 1: at the concert hall, Munch says, when they walked in,
Speaker 1: they heard the scream from the lobby. They came back
Speaker 1: from the break and found a message for Cassie. Her
Speaker 1: cello is lying on the ground. There's some flowers and
Speaker 1: a note in the strings that says die bitch. That
Speaker 1: looks also like it's written in blood. Whose blood? Benson asks,
Speaker 1: and she looks confused. This isn't an attack though, This
Speaker 1: is just like an incident, like no one is attacked.
Speaker 1: But Craigan, you know, loves to bring the drama. So
Speaker 1: back at the precinct, we've got Stabler, Daddy, Craigan and
Speaker 1: Huang and Benson is with Cassie. Sabler says, the florist
Speaker 1: remembers the guy, but he never gave a name, he
Speaker 1: paid cash. He was just a white guy, medium height,
Speaker 1: medium build, blonde. Finn still thinks Prescott could have hired someone,
Speaker 1: and Huang's like, no, no, no, no, this is all personal
Speaker 1: like and they're like, the attack is so personal. There's
Speaker 1: no way that anybody could have been a surrogate, he says,
Speaker 1: but we've eliminated the two men she's involved with, and
Speaker 1: Huang is like, well, what if it's in eroto manic.
Speaker 1: He believes he's in a relationship that doesn't exist, and munchgoes,
Speaker 1: sounds like me and my four ex wives, but I'm bump,
Speaker 1: and he goes, he might not even be in the
Speaker 1: orchestra or no Cassie at all, Like he could have
Speaker 1: just been set off by a look a hello, anything
Speaker 1: that he just thinks is an affair. And Stabler says
Speaker 1: it reminds him of a case where a guy thought
Speaker 1: a newscaster was sending him secret signals during the broadcast,
Speaker 1: and Fing goes, what happened as if it could have
Speaker 1: gone anywhere good, and he goes, no, he followed her
Speaker 1: home and he shot her and when she told him
Speaker 1: to go away. I looked this up. I tried to
Speaker 1: see if this was based on anything real, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything. So I don't know. And uh, like
Speaker 1: the case to have a newscaster you mean or yeah,
Speaker 1: but the case of somebody thinking a newscaster was yeah,
Speaker 1: the case of somebody thinking a newscaster was communicating with
Speaker 1: them and sending signals and then killing But I don't
Speaker 1: it could be real, but I'm sure that's I'm sure
Speaker 1: newscasters have gotten like stalked before, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is. This actually happened in New York around
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, which is what Elliot's alluding to.
Speaker 1: So they said that this guy might not stop till
Speaker 1: he kills her. So we got to find him, and
Speaker 1: he's probably near the receiver that picked up the video signal.
Speaker 1: But Warren slow going because it's for so many like,
Speaker 1: you know, buildings and areas, focus on anybody that was
Speaker 1: in or out of her apartment between then and now.
Speaker 1: He had to be there to plant the cameras, so
Speaker 1: let's find out how he got in. So now we're
Speaker 1: at the building talking to the super and the building,
Speaker 1: he said, got a total security overhaul, security codes, alarms,
Speaker 1: no one's getting in or out without permission from the tenant.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, what about when there's maintenance, and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, then I go and I wait in
Speaker 1: the apartment. If the tenant is going to be out,
Speaker 1: that's policy. So in the last month, he said, Casey
Speaker 1: had one maintenance thing, which was like a clogged kitchen drain,
Speaker 1: and then there was a security tech that went there
Speaker 1: to install the new alarm system recently, or to check
Speaker 1: on the new alarm system. Excuse me. The guy was
Speaker 1: up there for maybe an hour and he's like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean. Maybe I thought it was policy that
Speaker 1: you stay there, and he's like, well, turned out I
Speaker 1: had a little problem in the same time at another apartment.
Speaker 1: But he gets the work order and the name of
Speaker 1: the tech is Ray Campbell. So now we're talking to
Speaker 1: a supervisor and he's like, oh, yes, it's nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Security has been huge, Like I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know why nine to eleven. Everyone's like, now I need
Speaker 1: a spy camera in my bedroom, But that's what is happening.
Speaker 1: He's like, I had to hire new guys. Ray's one
Speaker 1: of my best guys. He's been here ten years. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: what was wrong with Cassie's system. He's like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I probably serviced millions of people. But he looks up
Speaker 1: the work order and he goes, that's odd. This isn't
Speaker 1: in the system, this work order. And Ray was at
Speaker 1: a totally other location that day, a block away. So
Speaker 1: they're like, uh, where's Ray. He's on a job. So
Speaker 1: they go talk to Ray. This guy is another soap
Speaker 1: opera guy. There's like so many, there's like four soap
Speaker 1: opera people in this episode. This guy is played by
Speaker 1: Joseph Adams. He's a soap guy. And Stabler asks him
Speaker 1: about the job and he goes, yeah, I remember installing
Speaker 1: the system there a couple months ago, but I haven't
Speaker 1: been back since. And then he shows him the work
Speaker 1: order and he goes, yeah, that's my employee number, but
Speaker 1: that's not my signature. And he goes, maybe it's the
Speaker 1: same guy who stole the rest of my stuff. It
Speaker 1: turns out a month ago somebody broke into his truck,
Speaker 1: got tools, a jacket and a hat, and like he
Speaker 1: didn't even think to check to see if the guy
Speaker 1: took any paperwork, like who would want that? So this
Speaker 1: guy poses a security tech to gain access to Cassie's apartment.
Speaker 1: Only three addresses within the broadcast range of the cameras
Speaker 1: are serviced by that company. One is Cassis, which means
Speaker 1: the receiver's got to be in one of the other
Speaker 1: two buildings. And I was like, that is kind of
Speaker 1: a strong like why does the receive I guess that
Speaker 1: does make sense because like, how else would you have
Speaker 1: access unless you But how does this guy know what
Speaker 1: buildings are accessed by this company? I guess he took
Speaker 1: a ton of work orders. Anyway, the signatures don't match,
Speaker 1: but Sabler also found a work order for an unauthorized
Speaker 1: DSL line in the basement of one of the buildings.
Speaker 1: They're like, send Munch in fin over with a tech
Speaker 1: so over there. Finn is like, why don't we always
Speaker 1: get stuck with these glamorous gigs? And Munch is like
Speaker 1: it's our can do attitude, and Finn's like, I should
Speaker 1: have just been a garbage man if I wanted to,
Speaker 1: like go through nasty basements. And Morales has got something.
Speaker 1: He's like, there's a box with a DSL line and
Speaker 1: Munch goes, oh, like what connects my computer to the
Speaker 1: world Wide Web? And yeah, Munch has narc energy all
Speaker 1: the time. They find the receiver and Morales has to
Speaker 1: explain to them basically what streaming is and they cannot
Speaker 1: believe it, like it is two thousand and two, like
Speaker 1: none of us had any idea, like what you could
Speaker 1: just be like sending out video on the Internet that
Speaker 1: people could be watching in real time? Like what? So
Speaker 1: you know, Morales is like, welcome to the information age.
Speaker 1: My name is not Tarru, like I'm a person. And
Speaker 1: so back at the precinct, they're explaining that this guy
Speaker 1: is putting the video out over the Internet, but not
Speaker 1: for public consumption, like only one computer is hitting on it.
Speaker 1: So they're like because Stabler are like how many hits?
Speaker 1: Like thinking that this is going out as some kind
Speaker 1: of like creepy you know, voyeur porn or something, but
Speaker 1: it's just going to this whoever is the doer's computer.
Speaker 1: It's for his personal use, it seems, and the computer
Speaker 1: belongs to a guy named Terry Willard. We're meeting a
Speaker 1: lot of people, We're going to a lot of locations.
Speaker 1: This episode's twisty and turvy. They go to Terry Willard's
Speaker 1: apartment and they make the landlady open the door, and
Speaker 1: his apartment looks like pretty modern for like a weird computery, Like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was expecting it to be creepier,
Speaker 1: but then Finn like strong arms a door open, and
Speaker 1: we find this guy's little stalker clubhouse room and there's
Speaker 1: photos of Cassie everywhere Stalker City. Fens and finds a
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven college yearbook from Indiana University, so he's
Speaker 1: been stalking her since then. And they're like, yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about your groupie from hell. Terry's her number one fan,
Speaker 1: which feels to me like a reference to misery, but
Speaker 1: maybe not. And then that's the end of act two.
Speaker 1: So at the top of AC three, they're taking tons
Speaker 1: of evidence out of this guy's apartment, computers, boxes of stuff,
Speaker 1: and the woman who let them in is like trying
Speaker 1: to defend them. She's like, he's a good man, he's
Speaker 1: sweet and gentle, and then you know, finally, when they
Speaker 1: talked to her a little bit more, she drops a
Speaker 1: bomb that this is her boyfriend and it's ever since
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving they've been boyfriend girlfriend, and then that was their
Speaker 1: first date, like they were both in town and she
Speaker 1: invited him to like a diner, and you know that's
Speaker 1: when their relationship started. She says she's never been inside
Speaker 1: his little stocker cave because it's his office. I have
Speaker 1: no need to go in there. And that's we hear
Speaker 1: that all the time. You know, Fritzel's wife never went
Speaker 1: down to his basement. That's his workshop, certainly not where
Speaker 1: he's keeping my daughter and a bunch of child prisoners.
Speaker 1: They're like, did he ever mention Cassie And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any friends. He has too much work.
Speaker 1: He's a partner at an internet company in Soho that's
Speaker 1: really taking off called web Trends. So now we're at
Speaker 1: web Trends and we find out old Terry got laid
Speaker 1: off a couple months earlier. He's not a partner because
Speaker 1: he's not a people person. He's just a really great
Speaker 1: website designer. But they had a dump ninety percent of
Speaker 1: their staff. When the sock tanked, like the whole place
Speaker 1: is empty. It's one of those like huge office floors
Speaker 1: of like a startup where all the cubicles are empty
Speaker 1: and he's like, now we're almost bankrupt. They said Terry
Speaker 1: went ballistic when they told him about his layoff. The
Speaker 1: last few weeks, he'd seemed distracted and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: why he goes He probably heard the rumors, which of course,
Speaker 1: I'm like, they've paid the humans and the nests, and
Speaker 1: he goes. I would have kept him on, but his
Speaker 1: work habits became erratic, Like I guess he would have
Speaker 1: been in the top ten percent that didn't get fired,
Speaker 1: but his work habits became erratic. He was missing days
Speaker 1: of work, coming in all tired, like he'd been up
Speaker 1: all night. So when they finally canned him, he just
Speaker 1: like snapped. And so that's interesting. And now we're with
Speaker 1: Morales looking at all of Terry's footage and it is
Speaker 1: so creepy. He's been basically downloading silent footage of Cassie
Speaker 1: doing her whole day. He's got cameras on her whole apartment,
Speaker 1: and then he makes little DVDs of her day, like
Speaker 1: he cuts together and scores it with music, and he's
Speaker 1: done twenty days of like you know, Cassie's life, like
Speaker 1: just okay, here she wakes up and here's a little song.
Speaker 1: While she's brushing her teeth and like, here's her having
Speaker 1: sex with somebody. So they go to the day of
Speaker 1: the attack, and unfortunately everything is off camera, like the
Speaker 1: camera's not right in the entryway, and then the perp
Speaker 1: shuts the door so there's no light, so they really
Speaker 1: don't have anything. Then Moraless hands munch a bunch of
Speaker 1: papers and goes, but you might be interested in this.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that this like little script that's
Speaker 1: in his hand is called the Legend of Cassie and Terry.
Speaker 1: So this little freak fan fiction of his fake relationship
Speaker 1: with Cassie. It's an online journal. It started four years
Speaker 1: ago at Indiana University when he first heard her play
Speaker 1: the cello. It follows her all over the world to competitions.
Speaker 1: But then the story takes a turn when Terry goes
Speaker 1: to prison for credit card fraud because he needed a
Speaker 1: way to pay for all these trips. He's like following
Speaker 1: a violinist do all around the world. If we learn
Speaker 1: anything from Anton Krasnikoff, it's that you know, you line
Speaker 1: up a lot of shows in this line of work,
Speaker 1: and you're all over the world. So when Terry gets
Speaker 1: out of jail, Cassie has graduated and moved away. He
Speaker 1: goes online. He buys her social security number for forty
Speaker 1: five dollars, uses it to trace her to the symphony,
Speaker 1: but nothing in the journal ties him to the attack.
Speaker 1: And his girlfriend hasn't seen him in two days, so
Speaker 1: he probably knows we're on his trail and Munch reveals
Speaker 1: but he's still in town. This guy has half a
Speaker 1: dozen online aliases, and he goes to public computer cafes
Speaker 1: and coffee shops and bookstores and stuff where they have
Speaker 1: computers and internet, and he visits these sites and they're
Speaker 1: tracking his movements, and if he stays online long enough,
Speaker 1: we can track him. But I don't think that's how
Speaker 1: it works with online, like you sign on and your
Speaker 1: IP address is there. It's not the same as like
Speaker 1: keep the caller on the line, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I was just telling Casey about this movie Black Christmas
Speaker 1: I watched with Jared. It's like an old horror movie
Speaker 1: from the late seventies, I think, And the way that
Speaker 1: they would track phone numbers is everybody's phone was in
Speaker 1: this massive room, like everybody's phone number, and you would
Speaker 1: have to keep the guy on the line while a
Speaker 1: guy just went around checking every single box to see
Speaker 1: where the call was coming from. Like, they keep not
Speaker 1: being able to get this guy because they can't get
Speaker 1: to the boxes in time. Jared goes, when we were
Speaker 1: watching it, he goes, wait till you see how they
Speaker 1: track phone calls. So that was interesting for me having
Speaker 1: watched this show. But I don't think that's how it works,
Speaker 1: Like you have to be online firs certain amount of time,
Speaker 1: like if you sign on, you're on. There's the IP.
Speaker 1: So they're like, well, maybe we can flush this guy out.
Speaker 1: Tell Benson and Saylord to bring Cassie in for a chat.
Speaker 1: So they bring Cassie in. They show him the picture
Speaker 1: of the guy and she's like, that's him and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he followed you from college and he's obsessed with you.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't know this person. I've never
Speaker 1: seen him. And Wang explains, well, he thinks you too
Speaker 1: are in love, and having the cameras on you helped
Speaker 1: further his delusion without risking rejection. And she's like, how
Speaker 1: do you know? And it's like, bitch, that's doctor George Wong.
Speaker 1: He just like knows everything, so don't And he also
Speaker 1: kept the whole journal, like we know everything. So she's like,
Speaker 1: can we stop him? And they're like, we think we can,
Speaker 1: but we need your help. He basically goes to this
Speaker 1: I Love Cassie site that he made like two to
Speaker 1: three times a day, and they want her to dedicate
Speaker 1: her show to him, her big violin concert debut that
Speaker 1: she has on Friday, talk about him in press interviews,
Speaker 1: let him know how much he means to you. Like
Speaker 1: this is sick, Like I feel like they could in
Speaker 1: other ways, just I don't know. But it's like, hey, cello, lady,
Speaker 1: you're good at acting, right, just pretend that this man
Speaker 1: is your best friend and you need him to come
Speaker 1: to the show. And she's like, but this guy is nuts,
Speaker 1: and they're like, don't worry. We'll cover every entrance and
Speaker 1: g him before he even gets near you. Trust us,
Speaker 1: we are cops and we never fuck up l ol.
Speaker 1: So they're like, this is our best chance to get
Speaker 1: him into a controlled situation and we just can't do
Speaker 1: it without you. So now we cut to the concert hall.
Speaker 1: Everyone's in place. Stabler's like in a tux with a
Speaker 1: clear security piece in his ear like regular security. Morales
Speaker 1: is behind the scenes with facial recognition software, and Munch
Speaker 1: is like, I didn't know we could afford this, and
Speaker 1: it's like, Munch, you know how much the NYPD gets,
Speaker 1: like a billion jillion dollars, So like you're the conspiracy guy,
Speaker 1: I feel like you would know that, and moralesy.
Speaker 2: Yes, Sturday, I went to the Walgreens like prescription, you know,
Speaker 2: pickup like in the car, but all these cop cars
Speaker 2: parked in the Walgreens parking lot to the side of it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's going on? And they were
Speaker 2: all outside the car eating donuts like truly out of
Speaker 2: a cartan.
Speaker 4: They all had boxes.
Speaker 1: Of food on the on the on the roof of
Speaker 1: their cars, their biggest two piece, and they were just
Speaker 1: snack and I was like, oh my god, that's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's just cartoons of themselves. That's really good. So
Speaker 1: Morales is explaining how the software works, like it scans
Speaker 1: faces and compares it to Terry's profile, but it allows
Speaker 1: for weight loss, weight gain, facial hair glasses because the
Speaker 1: photo they have, if Terry is old, they get a
Speaker 1: hit asle to man and a beard. They grab him.
Speaker 1: This guy looks confused and then it's like oh, another hit,
Speaker 1: and this guy, Terry looks like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: it turns out, so actually Morales is like, I just
Speaker 1: set the threshold really low, so we would definitely get
Speaker 1: the guy. So they're just like pulling random men aside,
Speaker 1: and Cassie's backstage with her boyfriend An Benson, and she
Speaker 1: is understandably freaking out, and they're like, don't worry, we
Speaker 1: got you. We're gonna get him. Just think about the music,
Speaker 1: not your stalker who attacked and possibly raped you, who's
Speaker 1: just out in the audience maybe, And so she like
Speaker 1: goes out and starts playing, and then they let the
Speaker 1: first guy they grabbed go and Finn goes sorry for
Speaker 1: the inconvenience, and I'm like, you know, the most polite
Speaker 1: cops in the biz, you're just not going to get that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've never heard a cop say sorry.
Speaker 1: So then an usher walks up to them and hands
Speaker 1: them a box that he found outside Cassie's dressing room
Speaker 1: that's addressed to her, and they open the box and
Speaker 1: inside is a dead rat nasty. So Stabler gets a
Speaker 1: call on the head piece that they got another hit.
Speaker 1: So Cassie continues to play her boyfriend's in the front row.
Speaker 1: I was even like going through points where I was like,
Speaker 1: is it the boyfriend? Like I know he had an alibi,
Speaker 1: but maybe he had like found out about her affair
Speaker 1: with the Maestro and got like I was. My mind
Speaker 1: was going a lot of different places. So they try
Speaker 1: to bring the stalker out and he is making a
Speaker 1: scene and like he's like, no, Cassie invited me. Cassie
Speaker 1: invited me and keeps yelling that because he's obviously watching
Speaker 1: all the press for her interviews for her debut where
Speaker 1: she's going, Terry, hope to see you there. So also
Speaker 1: Benson is in a hot little LBD and Stabler is
Speaker 1: in a tux as they like haul this guy out.
Speaker 1: So that's the end of act three, top of AAC four.
Speaker 1: I'm still not positive where this is going, but I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get idea. In interrogation with Stoker, Terry played
Speaker 1: by this guy's name Nate Mooney. He's also been on
Speaker 1: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 1: This guy's worked a lot, like one episodes of like
Speaker 1: every show you've ever heard of, and he's like, uh no,
Speaker 1: Cassie rules, she's the best. There's no one like her.
Speaker 1: I heard her playing in college one time and when
Speaker 1: she looked at me and she smiled, and I just
Speaker 1: knew from then on that we'd be together. And so
Speaker 1: it's like when men are like, why don't you smile,
Speaker 1: It's like, this is why, Like you smile at the
Speaker 1: wrong freak and he's planning your honeymoon in his mind
Speaker 1: and buying your social Security number online, you know, like
Speaker 1: this is why we're just frowning or we're at rest,
Speaker 1: you know. So they go, you sacrifice so much to
Speaker 1: be with her, and he's like, it's not a sacrifice
Speaker 1: when you love someone, so you know this man is
Speaker 1: has problems, you know, so it must have stung for
Speaker 1: you to see her fucking another guy. Huh. And he goes,
Speaker 1: it wasn't her fault. He got her drunk and took
Speaker 1: advantage of her. And it's like, but don't you see
Speaker 1: her having sex with her boyfriend and the maestro, like
Speaker 1: you know there's multiple And then Stabler and Craigan start
Speaker 1: tag teaming like Ryley up Terry, Like nah, she threw
Speaker 1: it in your face after you gave it all up
Speaker 1: for her, like you did everything for her I'd want
Speaker 1: to slap the shit out of her if that was me.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I never heard her. I love her.
Speaker 1: It was horrible the way he beat her. And they're like,
Speaker 1: how did you know she was beaten? And he said
Speaker 1: I saw it, and they're like with the spy cams
Speaker 1: and then he tries to backpedal on that and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just like found a website online that had a
Speaker 1: spycam of her, like and it's like this episode does
Speaker 1: have a lot of weird math, like he planted the
Speaker 1: spy cams, but also the Maestro uses spy cams, so
Speaker 1: are some of them his and some of them the Maestro?
Speaker 1: Like it is really confusing, like what's happening with this
Speaker 1: math of this episode? And so what about the cello
Speaker 1: the rat? And he's like, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. And they're like, well, then why are you
Speaker 1: on the run and he goes, well, Amy says, you're
Speaker 1: trying to put me in jail for something I didn't do.
Speaker 1: And Amy is the other They go, oh, yeah, your
Speaker 1: other girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Amy.
Speaker 1: It's like the landlady at the place that let them in,
Speaker 1: and he goes, he's not my girlfriend, she's my landlady.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, she says, she's your girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: then he goes, well she lied, and Stabler yells at
Speaker 1: him and calls him a liar. Tell us the truth
Speaker 1: and I'll convince the DIA to go easy on you,
Speaker 1: Craigan says, and he goes, I told you I would
Speaker 1: never hurt Cassie. And so now Cabot is weighing in
Speaker 1: and she's like, honestly, we have nothing to tie him
Speaker 1: to this assault, no forensics, no witnesses, just a mank
Speaker 1: full of photos of her. They're like, what about the cameras?
Speaker 1: The credit card fraud, It's like, she goes, we can't
Speaker 1: prove it was him who used the card like it?
Speaker 1: But yeah, because I guess if you use a credit
Speaker 1: card that you stole and you get it to a
Speaker 1: mailbox that you've registered in someone else's name, if they
Speaker 1: don't have you on camera, they can never prove that
Speaker 1: it was like you who set it up. You know.
Speaker 1: So just a little tip for those of you trying
Speaker 1: to commit credit card fraud, just please don't take mine.
Speaker 1: I can't change all my numbers again. So his fingerprint
Speaker 1: was found in her place, they said, and Cabot's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's trespassing at best. And it's like Jesus, like what
Speaker 1: about stalking? And Cabot says, stalking has to prove that
Speaker 1: he tried to frighten her, but he intentionally tried to
Speaker 1: stay hidden. Cassie had never even seen this guy until
Speaker 1: his arrest, So I guess stalking is like, you know,
Speaker 1: showing up at someone's work, like letting yourself be seen,
Speaker 1: like you know, and this guy was fully in hiding.
Speaker 1: So they're like, well, what about the case in New
Speaker 1: Jersey where the landlord got thirty years for planting hidden cameras.
Speaker 1: Cabot goes, that guy recorded sound, which elevated the charges
Speaker 1: to wiretapping. Terry did not record sound, just video. It
Speaker 1: is wild, all these like little things before we got
Speaker 1: with the technology, you know. So they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: can get him for burglary of the van because he
Speaker 1: did they found the stolen tech uniform. But that's it
Speaker 1: until the law catches up with all this technology. We've
Speaker 1: got this guy on burglary and maybe trespassing. And I
Speaker 1: was looking it up to see if it's been updated,
Speaker 1: and it's I found it's said on the Internet. In
Speaker 1: many states, it's legal to use hidden cameras in your
Speaker 1: home for security purposes. However, cameras are typically not out
Speaker 1: in areas where people have a reasonable expectation of privacy,
Speaker 1: such as bathrooms, bedrooms, changing rooms. And in New York,
Speaker 1: it is a felony to use a hidden camera to
Speaker 1: do an upskirt or a down blouse little quote unquote
Speaker 1: both of those phrases, To secretly photograph or record someone
Speaker 1: under or through their clothing, to monitor someone when they
Speaker 1: have a reasonable expectation of privacy, to monitor someone without
Speaker 1: their knowledge or consent, or to use or install imaging
Speaker 1: devices for no legitimate purpose. Because I remember my friend. Oh,
Speaker 1: and then it just says felony. Disclosures in New York
Speaker 1: at least are punishable by up to four years in
Speaker 1: prison and a five thousand dollars fine. Misdemeanor is three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four days in prison and a one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine. I love how they're like just shy
Speaker 1: of the day. Three hundred and sixty four days just
Speaker 1: a leap year in prison. But we have a friend
Speaker 1: who was talking to a comedian that got like me too, Like,
Speaker 1: after all this stuff came out and he called her
Speaker 1: and she recorded their conversation. But she did it in Nevada,
Speaker 1: where it's legal to record someone without them knowing. There
Speaker 1: are some states where you can record someone without them knowing,
Speaker 1: and those other states where it's totally illegal to record
Speaker 1: someone without their That's why banks it always says, this
Speaker 1: conversation may be recorded for quality assurance, like they have
Speaker 1: to always let you know, all like if they're taping
Speaker 1: a call. But our friend taped this guy, and she
Speaker 1: goes because I was in Vegas and I'm allowed to
Speaker 1: do that, So it was But did she know that's
Speaker 1: how she planned it. She went to Vegas to make
Speaker 1: this call to like y, she just happened to be
Speaker 1: She just happened. Oh my god. I mean, yeah, she
Speaker 1: might have taped it anyway and just not like share it.
Speaker 1: But then she's like, then I realized I didn't do
Speaker 1: anything wrong because in Vegas it's legal, or Nevada it's legal. Anyway.
Speaker 1: The gang is all together now in the precinct chatting.
Speaker 1: Finn is like, well, at least we shut down this
Speaker 1: little freaks operation. But Munch is like, no, the internet's forever.
Speaker 1: I read that somewhere and Stabler's like, what a hell
Speaker 1: of a way to achieve immortality. Benson walks in and says,
Speaker 1: Amy posted Terry's bail. This guy got busted stalking another
Speaker 1: woman and she's bailing him out. Like how blind can
Speaker 1: love be? One of them says, and Stabler is about
Speaker 1: to get a union Cassie when Craigan comes in, face
Speaker 1: fall in and goes too late. Cassie's been shot, done done.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the hospital. The boyfriend Kevin is
Speaker 1: there and he is played by Robert Bogue, also a
Speaker 1: soap guy. He's on like hundreds of episodes of Guiding Light.
Speaker 1: If you're a Guiding Light gall or guy, I never
Speaker 1: watched that one. I was only the ABC soaps, One
Speaker 1: Life to Live, All my children in General Hospital. This guy,
Speaker 1: Robert Bogue, is also in an FV episode called Legitimate
Speaker 1: Rape from season fourteen, and he works a lot. He's
Speaker 1: still working, He's in tons of stuff, but he's on edge.
Speaker 1: When they get to him in the waiting room, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, she's still in surgery. He's really really worried.
Speaker 1: So this is when I officially dropped my theory that
Speaker 1: he's involved, and he says, Cassie came to pick him
Speaker 1: up from work. I forgot my wallet, so I went
Speaker 1: inside to grab it, and then I heard the gunshots.
Speaker 1: I ran back out and found her lying there. The
Speaker 1: doctor comes out and is like, she's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: She got really lucky. So then the cops pull the
Speaker 1: doc aside. They're like, tell it to us straight. She's
Speaker 1: like two slugs to the back. One hit a kidney
Speaker 1: and the other one just missed her heart. It was
Speaker 1: small gun, close range. You can talk to her when
Speaker 1: she's out of recovery. So they get a hit on
Speaker 1: Terry's activity at a cafe two blocks away, and Sailor
Speaker 1: goes to check it out with Munch. So now they're
Speaker 1: at a place called Joe's Cafe and they're looking around
Speaker 1: and they see this kid on a computer just watching
Speaker 1: Cassie take her clothes off on a video, this little teen.
Speaker 1: He's like oh, and he's like what the guy that
Speaker 1: was sitting her left, So I'm just like watching his porn.
Speaker 1: It's like not a big deal. And everybody keeps describing
Speaker 1: this guy as scraggly haired and it's kind of a burn.
Speaker 1: Like everyone keeps going, I don't know, medium height, medium builds,
Speaker 1: scraggly hair, and which would be my nightmare if someone
Speaker 1: said I had scraggly hair. And he says the guy
Speaker 1: was blubbering about a chick leaving him for another man.
Speaker 1: And then they show a picture of Terry to the
Speaker 1: teen and he goes, yep, that's him. The kid goes,
Speaker 1: he left ten minutes ago, and he also left Amy's
Speaker 1: credit card behind the front desk. So they send this
Speaker 1: kid to go off and do his homework. Stapler's like,
Speaker 1: do we have homework? Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: And then Stabler sends Munch and Finn to go see
Speaker 1: what Amy is up to, and they catch up to
Speaker 1: her as she's leaving her apartment building and she's got
Speaker 1: all these grocery bags. And she is played by Jennifer
Speaker 1: Laura Thompson, who is a Broadway baby. She was Chenowit's
Speaker 1: original understudy in Wicked, and she did get to go
Speaker 1: on and play Glinda in Wicked, and she was in
Speaker 1: the original cast of Dear Evan Hanson on Broadway, so
Speaker 1: she's done a lot of Broadway stuff. She's like, I
Speaker 1: really got to go. I'm on my way to make
Speaker 1: dinner for a friend in Brooklyn, and you can kind
Speaker 1: of tell by her diction that she's a Broadway girl,
Speaker 1: but she is playing it like kind of good creed,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I didn't really get it at first, but
Speaker 1: now I am like, oh yeah, what is up with
Speaker 1: this woman? She's creepy. And she says, Terry hasn't been
Speaker 1: home since he got out, and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he what about your credit card? He has your credit card.
Speaker 1: They're like, She's like, where did you find that? They're
Speaker 1: like at an internet cafe, and she goes, there must
Speaker 1: be some mistake and she goes, well, someone has shot Cassie.
Speaker 1: And they're like, she goes, not Terry. He's the gentlest
Speaker 1: man I know. And they're like, well, we just want
Speaker 1: to make sure he doesn't hurt you, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you've got him all wrong. And then she just gets
Speaker 1: into her cab and they don't believe a word she's
Speaker 1: saying about this dinner in Brooklyn, so they decide to
Speaker 1: tail her at the hospital. Now Cassie is awake, and
Speaker 1: she remembers nothing, of course, much like her first attack,
Speaker 1: just a sharp pain in her back and falling to
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 4: Suddenly I've really been going through it.
Speaker 1: I know what I like, and it's it's such a
Speaker 1: fucked experience too. Like I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been through stalking, but it's like you, I think
Speaker 1: you mostly know who the person is. You know, some
Speaker 1: guy you went on one date with and then broke
Speaker 1: it off with and he's delusional, but like to have
Speaker 1: it just be someone that you don't even know, You've
Speaker 1: never laid eyes on them, who knows how much they
Speaker 1: could have been around you your whole life because you
Speaker 1: never recognize them is so creepy and like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The violation just one other episode, like an in Cell
Speaker 2: episode where this guy is killing all the.
Speaker 4: Chads or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the girl's like, I don't even fucking
Speaker 2: know you, and he oh, hold it, hold it's manifesto.
Speaker 4: Oh is that the episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's ones where they look at his picture and
Speaker 1: they don't remember they don't remember him, and even though
Speaker 1: he was like a busboy at their restaurant where they waited, like,
Speaker 1: they just don't remember him. And that's like an in
Speaker 1: Cell's like, that's that'll really get an in cell going,
Speaker 1: you know. So suddenly in the hospital room. These guys
Speaker 1: come in with like four huge bouquets of flowers for her,
Speaker 1: and they're like hold up, and they grab the cart
Speaker 1: and it says together forever love Me. So they chase
Speaker 1: down the delivery guy like it's him, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I deliver flowers. And now Munch is on the phone
Speaker 1: calling them, being like we've been following Amy all over creation.
Speaker 1: She's switched cabs twice and she's ended up at a
Speaker 1: dive hotel in Spanish Harlem, room six o two. So
Speaker 1: now Benson, Stabler, Munch and Finn are all there. They
Speaker 1: knock on the hotel room door and she's like go away,
Speaker 1: and Benson's like, imagine the cops are like, okay, bye,
Speaker 1: So Benson says open the door. She opens it. She's
Speaker 1: standing there in a bathrobe, freshly showered. She's like, Terry's gone,
Speaker 1: and there's window open, so you maybe d with like
Speaker 1: a curtain blowing, so you maybe think he went out
Speaker 1: the window. She says, I was going to take him
Speaker 1: home to Oklahoma so we could make a new life,
Speaker 1: but Terry wouldn't leave the whore, and I warned her
Speaker 1: to leave him alone. And so we find out Amy's
Speaker 1: the one that attacked Cassie. She has she has a
Speaker 1: delusional relationship with Terry, who has a delusional relationship with Cassie,
Speaker 1: And so she goes she wouldn't listen, and they're like,
Speaker 1: so you shot her. She goes, I had to stop her.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who really loves him, and then
Speaker 1: they kick open the door to the bathroom and holy shit,
Speaker 1: Terry is dead on the bathroom floor with blood spatter everywhere.
Speaker 1: Like it is a particular the early seasons of the show. Like,
Speaker 1: I know they've gone back to a lot of really
Speaker 1: gross violence in very recent episodes, but the very early
Speaker 1: seasons they did like long shots of the dead body,
Speaker 1: blood splatter everywhere, Like I don't really think you see
Speaker 1: as much of that in the middle seasons. But it
Speaker 1: is a gruesome scene in this bathroom. And then they
Speaker 1: just you just the cameras on Amy going I didn't
Speaker 1: know what else to do. She has so many men.
Speaker 1: Terry is all that I have. And that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 2: So that you thing, two delusions is that's that's us
Speaker 2: view at its finest.
Speaker 1: Two delusional people, two different guys that do spy cams,
Speaker 1: like so much going on. But also and this girl.
Speaker 4: Just wants to play the cello.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Do you think though that when did she
Speaker 1: kill Terry? Did she just kill Terry while Benson, while
Speaker 1: Munch and Finn were outside calling him back up, or
Speaker 1: did she kill him earlier and then go home to
Speaker 1: her apartment and like that's what she had in the
Speaker 1: like shift stuff in the bags.
Speaker 2: No, because I think she killed him in that hotel
Speaker 2: room and then showered there to get the blood off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think she stabbed him a ton in close range
Speaker 2: and had to shower.
Speaker 1: But they were following him, so they must have been
Speaker 1: right outside the hotel when that happened. But it looked
Speaker 1: like that would have taken a long time. There was
Speaker 1: just so much blood everywhere, I know, but you hit
Speaker 1: an art and it really splirts. According to Dexter, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she because also it's like so classic like
Speaker 2: blaming her, blaming the cello girl, where it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're this guy is the one chasing her?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he fucking exists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the delusion is deep on all the levels here.
Speaker 2: And then it's like you go back to the evidence
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that's why there wasn't a rape
Speaker 2: and that's why this and that's so yeah, and then
Speaker 2: you go back in time. But I do like her
Speaker 2: boyfriend because he's like, fuck the maestro, I don't care.
Speaker 4: I love you, I'm there for you.
Speaker 1: And I like that. Oh God, twisted, twisted.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna do the true crime soon, and so
Speaker 2: much of it, it's interesting, is outdated technology, and like
Speaker 2: law is not catching up to tech, where it's like
Speaker 2: this crime is so outdated today. Kind of it depends
Speaker 2: what state you live in. Okay, so listen to our commercials,
Speaker 2: really listen. So the case that I will be doing
Speaker 2: is it's the Susan Wilson case.
Speaker 4: And that is a common name.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this happened in nineteen ninety seven, if you
Speaker 2: can take yourself all the way back there to those
Speaker 2: Hourioas nineties and her husband Gary, So they moved into
Speaker 2: a quaint little neighborhood Monroe in Louisiana. They got a
Speaker 2: bigger house and they just were feeling super lucky about
Speaker 2: their new home, new neighborhood, new life. Down the block
Speaker 2: from Susan lived her a friend from high school whose
Speaker 2: name was Stephen Glover and he went to Gary and
Speaker 2: Susan's wedding, and he was also a deacon in their
Speaker 2: church and even helped get them their house.
Speaker 4: Their kids all played together, but.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, it started to feel like
Speaker 2: this dude knew a little too much about them. So
Speaker 2: one day, Susan remembers like her college yearbook came in,
Speaker 2: And this makes me think, like why would college yearbooks
Speaker 2: take so long, or like was it just from her
Speaker 2: old home or are they young? Like h was a
Speaker 2: grad school. Like this kind of confused me in terms
Speaker 2: of timing. But so her college yearbook came in, and
Speaker 2: then that night he came by and he said something like, oh,
Speaker 2: I know what you've been doing all day looking at
Speaker 2: that yearbook, haven't you?
Speaker 4: And that's when it was.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, that was kind of like how would he
Speaker 1: have known that? And that's according to CBS News. And
Speaker 1: then also like the families had keys to each other's houses,
Speaker 1: which is regular. You have my keys like you give
Speaker 1: you want neighbors to have your keys. I remember our
Speaker 1: neighbors had our keys when I forgot my keys from
Speaker 1: school after I broke the door that one time.
Speaker 4: You know everyone had.
Speaker 2: Keys, do you know, we had like no keys to
Speaker 2: my house growing up, Like my house, the doors my
Speaker 2: house was just open all the time, Like I don't
Speaker 2: even know if my parents had keys to the house. Well,
Speaker 2: well that's interesting because like my friend Lindsay, like her
Speaker 2: back door was always unlocked, like we would always just
Speaker 2: walk into her family's house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, my version of a security system when we would
Speaker 1: go on vacation was leaving the TV on. He was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: people won't break into your house if they think you're
Speaker 1: home watching TV. And I was like, with the car
Speaker 1: gone from the driveway, I think thieves are a little
Speaker 1: bit more advanced, Dad, But yeah, we just like never
Speaker 1: ever were locked out of our house or ever had
Speaker 1: keys to our house.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's wild.
Speaker 2: No, WI had keys and I lost them often, but
Speaker 2: it was totally normal for neighbors to have each other's keys.
Speaker 4: But yes, it began to.
Speaker 2: Worry Susan because one weekend, she and her sister went
Speaker 2: into Glover's house like they snuck in, so they did
Speaker 2: have keys. So they ended up sneaking into Glover's house
Speaker 2: and they found something. They found a videotape, and her
Speaker 2: sister was like, they watched the tape, she goes, wait,
Speaker 2: isn't that your bed, And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: she saw her image on the tape and then it
Speaker 2: was like, holy shit, that is my bed, that is me,
Speaker 2: and then there's a camera focused on our bed. She
Speaker 2: then they went into his attic and they found like
Speaker 2: a thirteen inch TV under the installation, and that's where
Speaker 2: he was like watching stuff I don't know.
Speaker 4: And then it.
Speaker 2: Hit her like there were little tiny holes in the
Speaker 2: ceiling of her home. But she didn't think that the
Speaker 2: holes were big enough for spying, Like she didn't even
Speaker 2: think about the holes. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: she's like, oh my god, all of these holes are
Speaker 2: like camera things. So she couldn't sleep in her bed anymore, obviously,
Speaker 2: and she started to go a little nutty and like
Speaker 2: would sleep in her closet and little like she just, yeah, understandably,
Speaker 2: stopped trusting everything. And then they started finding other little
Speaker 2: holes everywhere, and they found little holes over the shower
Speaker 2: and in the child's bathroom, but like no tapes from
Speaker 2: that were ever found.
Speaker 4: But Glover was also spying in his home too.
Speaker 2: There was just like he put a camera in the
Speaker 2: room next to his hot tub where guests would change
Speaker 2: to go into the hot tub. So but he got
Speaker 2: no time for invasion of privacy, not any because so
Speaker 2: the district attorney, Jerry Jones said, you have the peeping tom,
Speaker 2: but and there are laws against that, but there was
Speaker 2: no laws against the video part of the crime yet.
Speaker 2: This is nineteen ninety seven, so technology was ahead of
Speaker 2: the law. But it's like, you obviously know it's wrong
Speaker 2: to videotape people in their home without telling them, but
Speaker 2: there just was nothing on the books.
Speaker 1: And but cameras existed before.
Speaker 4: This, you know what I mean. Like I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I just feel like camera technology only in like the
Speaker 1: late nineties, was getting so small where you could even
Speaker 1: do like anybody would have noticed a camera before that,
Speaker 1: like you know, if you had dressing room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're talking about tiny cameras.
Speaker 2: But like remember the season one episode where like Carrie's
Speaker 2: of Sex and the City where Carrie's friend it like
Speaker 2: likes fucking models and taping them and then Samantha wants
Speaker 2: to fuck him, and then his camera was full size,
Speaker 2: you know, it was a full size So it's like
Speaker 2: there were cameras. I don't understand why the law, Like
Speaker 2: you needed them to be tiny to protect people from
Speaker 2: being hit, like taped without their knowledge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just strange to me.
Speaker 2: But like, so then this guy Jerry Jones, the DA
Speaker 2: was said if he peeked through a window, he could
Speaker 2: have been arrested, but since it was a camera, it
Speaker 2: could not be prosecuted. But it's totally not true because
Speaker 2: when my building super climbed on a ladder and spied
Speaker 2: on me in the bedroom window, I was told by
Speaker 2: the NYPD no charges could be filed because he wasn't
Speaker 2: jerking off or videotaping, and because he like with the ladder,
Speaker 2: like since he's the super of the building, you would
Speaker 2: have to prove that he couldn't be there and stuff.
Speaker 2: But like he wasn't a ladder whistling and it like
Speaker 2: elbows into my apartment. But the NYPD said, no jes,
Speaker 2: no tape, no, no nothing. So it's like this guy
Speaker 2: in Louisiana is saying we have peeping tom laws, and
Speaker 2: then in New York cut to like in the twenty teens,
Speaker 2: there are no people tom laws. He needed to leave evidence,
Speaker 2: So it's like it's really fucking annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wonder if that had been a regular
Speaker 1: guy and not your super, if they could have gotten him.
Speaker 1: But because he's the super, he can always say he's
Speaker 1: fixing shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, no, we can sure, but you would have
Speaker 2: to give someone a heads up while you're in their window.
Speaker 1: I think that Corny was just like lazy. It's great,
Speaker 1: I'm the thing, it's right. But I'm wondering if he
Speaker 1: was just like a random dude that climbed up a
Speaker 1: fire escape and was peeping, if he would get busted
Speaker 1: and that this guy was probably like, oh, their window
Speaker 1: was shaking, I had to fix it, you know, like
Speaker 1: he made an excuse that obviously should have still told you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so scary. Yeah, it's just like it's annoying.
Speaker 2: It's like the cops will do anything to not do
Speaker 2: work or something, or they'll go shoot an unarmed person
Speaker 2: too much or too little. So eventually this dude just
Speaker 2: planned guilty to unauthorized entry and he got three years probation.
Speaker 2: So that's not really like, doesn't make anyone really feel safer.
Speaker 2: He admitted that he taped them, but he denies that
Speaker 2: he taped the children, and he did offer an apology
Speaker 2: through his lawyer, Susan brought a civil suit against Glover
Speaker 2: for invasion of privacy. I was not able to find
Speaker 2: out how that ended. Susan in the DA though, they
Speaker 2: began a quest to pass laws making video voyeurism a crime.
Speaker 2: So she successfully lobbied for passage of a state law
Speaker 2: that made video voyeurism a felony. And then September two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, the House and Senate criminalized video voyeurism
Speaker 2: before it went to President Bush's desk, and then he
Speaker 2: codified it, so the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of two
Speaker 2: thousand and four went in.
Speaker 1: And then do you see my notes? What is that
Speaker 1: symbol on past code? Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I like copied and pasted it. I
Speaker 2: don't know what this code is. Maybe we'll post it
Speaker 2: on our stories.
Speaker 1: It kind of helped, like two s's overlapping each other
Speaker 1: a little bit, like yeah, with like you know code,
Speaker 1: let us know, Like, but yeah, I have no idea
Speaker 1: what that is.
Speaker 2: So it's eighteen US code. This symbol eighteen oh one.
Speaker 2: And this was, like I said, it was really hard
Speaker 2: to search for this because kind of like parental alienation syndrome.
Speaker 2: Most of the stuff was defense attorneys helping you beat
Speaker 2: these charges. It was like rows and rows of Google
Speaker 2: pages of defenses. I watched a bunch of videos of
Speaker 2: defense attorneys being like were you found? Like were are
Speaker 2: you charged for video voyeurs? And I'm gonna help you?
Speaker 2: And this is unfair. It was just like so many attorneys,
Speaker 2: I mean, defense attorneys gotta work. So it was just
Speaker 2: like all these people because the laws are tricky, like
Speaker 2: there's security cameras, and then it's like what you said
Speaker 2: in your findings where it's like if it's a place
Speaker 2: where it's presumed privacy, but how do you prove that?
Speaker 2: And who owns what? And with the sound on and off,
Speaker 2: it's like it is really.
Speaker 1: And then that recent episode of SVU where Live is
Speaker 1: getting peeped on when she's in the shower of that
Speaker 1: motel room when she's in her bedroom with the way,
Speaker 1: yeah the towel was a huge moment for us. By
Speaker 1: the way, I just google that symbol. It means section
Speaker 1: never seen it in my life.
Speaker 2: Shine, but I didn't. I just put it in Google.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so funny, but I guess I thought
Speaker 2: you would know it. You are my Google. So it's
Speaker 2: eighteen US Code section eighteen oh one. Okay, cool, that
Speaker 2: makes sense, So we have a new symbol section. So yeah,
Speaker 2: like there were just tons of defense attorneys for this.
Speaker 2: But in Louisiana I found that if you are found guilty,
Speaker 2: you do have to register as a sex offender. And
Speaker 2: other states have harsher laws too, So like by two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, thirty four states made video voyeurism a felony,
Speaker 2: but from state to state it does depend if it's
Speaker 2: a felony or misdemeanor. Like in some states videotaping someone
Speaker 2: in their own bedroom is still a fucking misdemeanor, Like
Speaker 2: it is really wild. And then the Spokesman Review, which
Speaker 2: is a paper in Spokane, Spokane, whatever, Washington. I think
Speaker 2: it's Spokane, we've been there, or into Folkan.
Speaker 1: I think they say Spokane, Yeah, spoke okay, Spokane. That's
Speaker 1: that sounds okay.
Speaker 2: Actually, So that paper says that she that Wilson is
Speaker 2: one is the one that prompted all these states timpost
Speaker 2: penalties for videotaping people without their knowledge, and she is
Speaker 2: pleased by the Federal Act. But those are like federal case.
Speaker 2: So like the federal laws, they like, if.
Speaker 1: You tape someone on like federal land parks, like all
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff, secret bathrooms and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because I guess there's this Federal Act overall, but then
Speaker 1: state to state they're still always they do their own thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: being a.
Speaker 4: Lawyer is so.
Speaker 2: Complicated, Like I couldn't even find I just I just
Speaker 2: wanted a straightforward list states misdemeanor, felony.
Speaker 4: Are you on the list or not? And it's like
Speaker 4: you can't find that.
Speaker 2: Everything is so convoluted and difficult for at least me,
Speaker 2: Like I just whenever I look for laws states to state,
Speaker 2: it's so complicated. And then it's just like all these
Speaker 2: articles and all these inclusions and all these pieces, it's
Speaker 2: pretty wild. The federal actors say that violators can have
Speaker 2: fines up to one hundred thousand dollars and sent to
Speaker 2: prison for a year or both. But she also, like Wilson,
Speaker 2: said that the way the evidence was handled was really
Speaker 2: fucked up. Like the cops would say to her like, oh,
Speaker 2: it seems like you've lost some weight from the videos,
Speaker 2: and they refer to her as a performer on the tape.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then my favorite was the New York Post had
Speaker 2: an article and it was titled make Peepers Pay.
Speaker 1: I thought that was good. I didn't even take anything
Speaker 1: from the article, but I did.
Speaker 2: I like like that. And the case did become a
Speaker 2: lifetime TV movie. And that's the other thing that made
Speaker 2: this research hard because it was all reviews about the
Speaker 2: movie and information about the movie. So the movie is
Speaker 2: Video Voyeur, the Susan Wilson story where Angie Harmon played Susan.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, lawn Order Royalty Angie Harmon, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I see it just sucks.
Speaker 2: She was she's a Republican, but oh she is boo.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's changed her ways. But yeah, she's married to
Speaker 2: like a football player. And yeah that track she's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like in twenty thirteen, it's Risolian, I'll star.
Speaker 2: Angie Harmon talks homosexuality, politics and believing in therapy. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: she goes, I'm a liberal Republican.
Speaker 1: We actually exist.
Speaker 2: Call it naivete or stupidity, but I didn't know that
Speaker 2: unless you're a Democrat, you aren't allowed to talk politics
Speaker 2: in Hollywood. Oh, she goes, whether you're gay or straight,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. That's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all well and good until her party starts
Speaker 1: taking away right the rights of the gay people, you know,
Speaker 1: the bars like, yeah, she goes.
Speaker 2: I believe in therapy, I don't believe in staying in
Speaker 2: it for life. When you have an issue, talk to somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why do we care what she said? Ah, because she's
Speaker 2: resoli or maybe she's asles. I actually have no no,
Speaker 2: I meant wait. Twenty nineteen, Angie Harmon slammed by conservative
Speaker 2: fans over feminism shirt.
Speaker 1: You went to the dark side. Yeah, see, you're never
Speaker 1: gonna be good enough for them over there, Angie. If
Speaker 1: you're not like all the way with the Republicans, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna keep you. Yeah, she wrote a shirt.
Speaker 2: She wrote a shirt that said feminism is for everybody,
Speaker 2: And yeah, I believe feminists hate men. They're jealous of men,
Speaker 2: they wish they were men, just some twelve.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for telling me about this though. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about this case and what a pioneer got.
Speaker 1: Susan Wilson, I'm sorry that happened to you. But you
Speaker 1: made fucking lemonade out of lemons. They're making these making
Speaker 1: the peepers pay, as they say, But join us for
Speaker 1: a post mortem because we still don't have any guests
Speaker 1: all right, post mortem time. I guess, I don't know,
Speaker 1: are we all becoming numb to just being videotaped all
Speaker 1: the time now that we have.
Speaker 2: Our No, I would be really upset if I found
Speaker 2: hidden cameras. I don't think the prevalence of cell phones
Speaker 2: in our labs will preface for that, absolutely.
Speaker 4: And in hotels and anything.
Speaker 2: Just like you do act different when you're by yourself,
Speaker 2: and it is crazy to imagine that someone can see her.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just such a crazy example of
Speaker 1: how like the law never is like up to date
Speaker 1: with technology and like that there was barely anything this
Speaker 1: woman could do when this guy was just like invading
Speaker 1: her privacy in her bedroom for like months. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't remember how long the
Speaker 1: well I did place cover the fame.
Speaker 2: Like the most famous case of this that I know
Speaker 2: is for Aaron Andrews. So Aaron Andrews is was at
Speaker 2: at ESPM. But she's an NFL reporter and you know
Speaker 2: as a podcast and a clothing a sports clothing line
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But this guy was going to
Speaker 2: every like in three separate hotel rooms. He would get
Speaker 2: the room next to her and like set up cameras
Speaker 2: and like peeping tom and there was all these videos
Speaker 2: of her naked that he put together and put on
Speaker 2: the internet. But my thing is how was he able
Speaker 2: to request to be near her every single time?
Speaker 1: What a psycho? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But he did get jail time and fines and then
Speaker 2: like she was awarded fifty five million dollars, so twenty
Speaker 2: seven million from him, and then Marriotts owed the rest.
Speaker 1: What yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So four years later Andrews won a fifty five
Speaker 2: million dollars lost suit against Barrett and the companies that
Speaker 2: manage the Nashville Marriott hotel where the videos were filmed. Oh,
Speaker 2: I guess it was just one Marriotte every time, But
Speaker 2: I don't know like she did she always get the
Speaker 2: same room. How did he find out? And how We're like,
Speaker 2: how did they? How was a man able to request
Speaker 2: to be near her and the hotel there was no
Speaker 2: red flags or nothing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like we check in together and we're like,
Speaker 1: can you put us close to each other? Like if possible?
Speaker 1: But like yeah, if I was just like waiting for
Speaker 1: you to go upstairs and then going can I get
Speaker 1: a room near her? Like that would be.
Speaker 2: Or you would request a specific number, but like, how
Speaker 2: did he get it every time?
Speaker 1: Did? Like? Was she just in the presidential suite?
Speaker 4: It is? It is wild, but she was.
Speaker 2: Just on Hoda's podcast recently talking about it, so it's
Speaker 2: a little bit Wait.
Speaker 1: Did you say, like how he actually took the videos? No,
Speaker 1: he was just okay, how would he drill a hole
Speaker 1: through a way?
Speaker 2: Like a secretly filmed her several times through a peep
Speaker 2: hole while she was naked in her room. So I
Speaker 2: also don't know how there's a peep hole, but was it?
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine Aaron Andrews being in a room
Speaker 2: with conjoined doors. I really like, there's no fucking way
Speaker 2: unless there's like a producer on the other side or
Speaker 2: people that she worked with, Like, I just can't imagine
Speaker 2: her being at But I guess she was just at
Speaker 2: a Marriott, So I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know what ESPN is doing. But yeah, he put the
Speaker 2: shit out online and he sent two and a half
Speaker 2: years in jail.
Speaker 1: Fucking good man. I guess they've caught they've caught up now, Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was released in twenty twelve, but I really remember that
Speaker 2: and like something she said. She goes, yeah, people were
Speaker 2: like this scandal, and she's like, it wasn't a fucking scandal,
Speaker 2: you know, And just the way it was framed, it's
Speaker 2: like she truly was a victim of a crime, and
Speaker 2: the media was trying to portray it as some like
Speaker 2: salacious scandal. And I know that was annoying for her
Speaker 2: because like, yeah, a scandal is if but even if
Speaker 2: like someone if like you make the video, but even
Speaker 2: if someone puts it up without your consent, that's a crime.
Speaker 4: So it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like in this interview, she's saying that a friend
Speaker 1: called her to tell her about it and was like,
Speaker 1: there's this video, and she goes, no, there's not, Like
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't send those videos, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have like that. If somebody did that for me,
Speaker 1: like I'm the same, like I don't. I just like
Speaker 1: don't take videos like that. So it's like if someone's
Speaker 1: like Cara, there's like a pornographic video of you going
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, Jared, what did you do? You know,
Speaker 1: because like there's no way like this could be like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we're just like not filming.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, and now that I'm like a full
Speaker 2: football fan, it's my feed is so much football.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just saw thinking from a week ago that
Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews was having dinner with Tom Brady in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 4: I don't care about him. I think he's a loser.
Speaker 1: Well mean neither. I don't care about him either, But
Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was in your for you
Speaker 1: page now that you're a football girl.
Speaker 4: No, I really don't care about him.
Speaker 2: And when I was talking to Sarah Tiana, who is
Speaker 2: an NFL expert and a comedian, so I cornered her
Speaker 2: and she was telling me great things about Travis boots
Speaker 2: on the ground is that like he's great, She's never
Speaker 2: seen him be a creepy red flag in any capacity
Speaker 2: they've been out and about, and like he is respectful
Speaker 2: and kind and she just has only the best things
Speaker 2: to say about him. And then she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's like they're gonna be like Tom Brady and Jose
Speaker 2: and I go, absolutely not. That is disgusting. They are
Speaker 2: like Beckham and Posh. If we're gonna do anything, and
Speaker 2: She's like, oh whatever, and it's like, I guess if
Speaker 2: you're like a football fan, you do really love Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: but he's just such a douche tool to me.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's the one that gave up to tomatoes because
Speaker 1: they cause inflammation and caused a million people to start
Speaker 1: doing that, like not eating night shades and stuff.
Speaker 2: They also didn't end up together, and Gazelle gave up
Speaker 2: her job. Gizelle quit modeling for like twelve years, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: No, the thing about Tom Brady that kills me, and
Speaker 1: I hope we don't have a ton of Tom Brady
Speaker 1: fans that are gonna come for us, but like, it
Speaker 1: kills me that the women that are that eighty for
Speaker 1: Brady is based on are real fucking women. And he
Speaker 1: executive produced that movie and appears in that movie, and
Speaker 1: he never met those women, Like as when that movie
Speaker 1: came out, those women had not met Tom Brady. Maybe
Speaker 1: they have now, but at that time they had not met.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you can't go meet the women
Speaker 1: who are obsessed with you that you're making a movie
Speaker 1: off of their story.
Speaker 2: Now, he sucks, I did see because he is in
Speaker 2: my feed sometimes, like a younger football player asked advice.
Speaker 2: He was like, how do I balance You know, my
Speaker 2: family and the excitement and parties and all that, but
Speaker 2: I have a job to do. And Tom Brady gave
Speaker 2: like a two minute kind of speech of like, none
Speaker 2: of nothing else matters.
Speaker 1: This is your job.
Speaker 2: People are relying on you, and it's not a party,
Speaker 2: and you know you owe nobody nothing in a way.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like, compare it, like being like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Travis and Taylor will be like Brady
Speaker 2: and Giselle is to me the most awful thing. Like
Speaker 2: Taylor is not gonna stop working and making music, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, and I think he likes that.
Speaker 2: And I bet Tom Brady just wanted someone at home.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I just don't like him, maybe
Speaker 2: because he was on the winningest most team and stuff
Speaker 2: and I think they won because of him, and then
Speaker 2: he proved it by going to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't like him, and your story proves it.
Speaker 1: He can be a good football player. We just I mean,
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with me. He's just not
Speaker 1: like Travis.
Speaker 2: I heard his magnetic lights up a room, charismatic funny y.
Speaker 1: I'm loving those old sweets where he's like I just
Speaker 1: watched the squirrel go to town on a nut damn.
Speaker 1: Like he seems funny, but yeah, just more energy.
Speaker 2: Like to me, Tom Brady's a robot and it looks
Speaker 2: like he had what is it, the boogle fat removed
Speaker 2: the buckle fat.
Speaker 1: He is he looks like a buckle fat king. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he actually did it, but that's what
Speaker 1: I think of. Buckle fat removal is like just that
Speaker 1: like Sally like sunken in cheeks kind of.
Speaker 2: Because I also understand to be a champion, you must
Speaker 2: be a little nuts you know, you need to. It is,
Speaker 2: you have to be very competitive, You have to work
Speaker 2: very hard, go above and beyond everyone else that's the
Speaker 2: best in their game. You have to like I think
Speaker 2: he lead the team, Like I get it. It is
Speaker 2: you really have to have that spirit that makes you
Speaker 2: want to do more more. But I don't know Sean
Speaker 2: White had that. And he seems cool. He seems like
Speaker 2: he would have a bowl of Lucky Charms and celebrate
Speaker 2: his birthday with a beer, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like, don't respect someone that can't eat tomatoes
Speaker 2: because of you know, the sugar content, Like I can't.
Speaker 1: It just sickens me. And he I heard he wasn't
Speaker 1: even nice to his other son. Remember he had a
Speaker 1: whole other White Bridge Am. Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I truly don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't even believe I've talked this long
Speaker 2: about something I have no idea about. But I know
Speaker 2: I hate him.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, but I love you.
Speaker 1: That's safe to say. Lisa will not be planting a
Speaker 1: tiny surveillance camera inside of Tom Brady's home.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to spy on anyone, or even when
Speaker 2: people are like what magical power would you have? Or
Speaker 2: superhero power if you could have anything anyone that's like
Speaker 2: mind reading, walking through walls invisible, those are freaks.
Speaker 1: That's a red flag. I think invisible could be kind
Speaker 1: of fun, Not because I want to watch people. I
Speaker 1: think you could like, like I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: you could, like I think it's a re things about
Speaker 1: like you could like I don't know, I could find
Speaker 1: out like who killed John Benet, Like there's like so
Speaker 1: many things you could do if you turn invisible. You
Speaker 1: could take money, teleport teleport, Yeah, like teleportation is if
Speaker 1: you want to be everywhere, or you can have like
Speaker 1: intense detectives.
Speaker 4: I just think those three like.
Speaker 2: Invading the ability to invade people's boundaries. If that is
Speaker 2: your number, you can fly like you're picking invisibility over
Speaker 2: flight free.
Speaker 1: I would do flight, but I also think invisible could
Speaker 1: be good. But I don't think about it as being
Speaker 1: able to like listen in on people's conversations. I think
Speaker 1: about it to be able to do whatever I fucking want,
Speaker 1: no one can see me. What would okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like it perks my ears up
Speaker 2: where I'm like, you're not trustworthy if you want to
Speaker 2: be invisible, but you're your number one is not invisible.
Speaker 1: No, I do like flight. You're not going to pick it.
Speaker 1: I just did this at family camp last year where
Speaker 1: we said what would your superpower be? And I think
Speaker 1: I said flight, But then when people said invisible, I
Speaker 1: was like, good one, I would do that too.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no no no an invisibility cloak.
Speaker 2: No for me, it's full teleportation at all times, Like
Speaker 2: I can't even think of anything else that would come
Speaker 2: near it. Oh yeah, yeah, you could just pop and
Speaker 2: be somewhere. Yeah, we would never have to get on
Speaker 2: a plane ever again. Yeah, can you tell what your bags?
Speaker 2: You would be anywhere you need to be.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would honestly rather shit my clothes. I don't know
Speaker 2: what I would do think about that. I really didn't
Speaker 2: think about that, but.
Speaker 1: I was like, so I teleported to Spain and the
Speaker 1: airline lost my fucking toilet trees, Like that would totally
Speaker 1: be us.
Speaker 2: I was just talking to someone who said, when they fly,
Speaker 2: they don't pack and they buy stuff when they land.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I just did a panel about travel for
Speaker 1: another podcast, and there was just one person on the
Speaker 1: pod that was like, I don't know, I just think
Speaker 1: of it as an venture and I don't really care
Speaker 1: what happens. And I'm like, you got to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm so opposite of that, Like I'm planning every everything,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I can't think about being lax about travel.
Speaker 1: But you know, but while you're there or no, she's
Speaker 1: like getting to the airport, she doesn't really care about
Speaker 1: getting there super early, Like she never checks the bat
Speaker 1: like you know, it's like she's kind of like I
Speaker 1: can sleep anywhere if I have.
Speaker 4: Delays it's something, But why is she flying?
Speaker 1: I mean comedy.
Speaker 4: Oh it's someone that does comedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just more pressure, like you can't not get
Speaker 2: like if if your one o'clock flight gets delayed, you
Speaker 2: miss your show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, when I'm when I'm coming home, when
Speaker 2: I'm just when I have nothing going on, I'm the
Speaker 2: most relaxed.
Speaker 1: I'll fucking get a voucher. If you need me to switch,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. You're like, you're one of
Speaker 1: those if you have flexible travel plans, please see us
Speaker 1: for five hundred adulta bucks or whatever.
Speaker 4: Well, it would have to be over a thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 4: be cash. I follow Erica.
Speaker 2: Hello, oh she reads the fine print, so would I
Speaker 2: would try to get the max money. I just feel
Speaker 2: when there's work involved, that's what adds the pressure.
Speaker 1: It's not like just being there.
Speaker 2: Even missing a family holiday or an event doesn't bother
Speaker 2: me as much. It's like to miss work is fucked.
Speaker 1: Well. My husband famously missed his grandmother's funeral because Delta
Speaker 1: had a staffing issue, and they gave him like fifty
Speaker 1: bucks voucher or something. It was crazy anyway, always back
Speaker 1: to the flights. Always we're always bitching about.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just dreading getting on the planes tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I went to pick up my
Speaker 1: brother at Lax last night, like just kind of forgetting
Speaker 1: because it was like Monday before Thanksgiving and it was
Speaker 1: crazy just getting into Lax like crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna leave like an hour before I would
Speaker 2: normally leave. Yeah, yeah, you'll be good if you do that.
Speaker 2: I think I'm definitely doing that because even the parking
Speaker 2: spot's going to be crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do. This is a
Speaker 1: giant mistake, it really is. You do us. You've gone
Speaker 1: to a lot of lengths to avoid eatings Thanksgiving at
Speaker 1: a steakhouse with me and my children, and I get that,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like that makes sense. Let's get
Speaker 1: into our what would Sister Peg Do, because you know
Speaker 1: speak we're mentioning Thanksgiving. We're in the time machine as usual,
Speaker 1: and for this week's what would Sister Peg Do, which
Speaker 1: is our weekly segment where we direct you towards a resource,
Speaker 1: a book, a website, an organization, something where you can
Speaker 1: learn more about what we talked about in today's episode.
Speaker 1: Nothing really fits in for us on today's episode, and
Speaker 1: so with the holidays coming up, we wanted to point
Speaker 1: you guys towards a resource for anyone struggling with, like
Speaker 1: any mental health difficulties during this stressful time of year.
Speaker 1: It's like a very crazy time of year. There's family issues,
Speaker 1: there's you know, work issues, There's all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: creeping up for people, and I feel like the holidays
Speaker 1: are a time that really taxes our mental health. So
Speaker 1: we wanted to point you to the nine eight eight
Speaker 1: Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. The nine eight eight Lifeline provides
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven free and confidential support for people
Speaker 1: in distress, US prevention and crisis resources for you or
Speaker 1: loved ones, and best practices for professionals in the United States.
Speaker 1: So for more resources, go to nine eight lifeline dot org.
Speaker 1: You can chat with the nine eight Lifeline there and
Speaker 1: if you or someone you know is having a crisis
Speaker 1: called nine eight eight amazing. Yeah, take care of yourselves
Speaker 1: this holiday season, and next week we'll be doing a
Speaker 1: Misunderstanding Season seventeen, episode two. Can't wait.
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