Speaker 1: What's that ad spooky? Hey juky, I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 1: He's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, hell I I days please Hey boo,
Speaker 2: It's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez,
Speaker 2: the podcast where I like to talk to people that
Speaker 2: I like about something that I like, which is the
Speaker 2: paranormal I have got on the show today the hilarious
Speaker 2: comedian actor Internet sensation Vinnie Thomas. But before we get
Speaker 2: to that, I have got a story. This was sent
Speaker 2: to me by a listener named me. Okay, sorry to
Speaker 2: take this one over, but I think I encountered a
Speaker 2: ghost this past weekend.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you the story.
Speaker 2: Now, I will spare you some details for a few
Speaker 2: different reasons. Okay, I stayed at a haunted hotel. Now,
Speaker 2: this is like a smaller hotel, not well known for
Speaker 2: being haunted. Honestly, I don't think it's like that haunted.
Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna leave out the name in the
Speaker 2: location because you know, while yes, some people like you,
Speaker 2: freakyneeky people that listen to this show, a lot of
Speaker 2: you would like to stay in a haunted hotel, there's
Speaker 2: also a lot of people like myself that would prefer
Speaker 2: not to sleep in a haunted hotel. So, you know,
Speaker 2: some hotels like to talk about some doubt. I don't
Speaker 2: know the status on this one, but either way, it's
Speaker 2: not that relevant. To be honest, let me just tell
Speaker 2: you the ghost part. So I get to this hotel
Speaker 2: and I was staying for a couple of days. I
Speaker 2: was in between jobs and just getting away, you know,
Speaker 2: and relaxing. And as soon as I check in, the
Speaker 2: staff is like, oh, whatever, they knew I liked to
Speaker 2: talk about ghosts. So they're like, guess what this place
Speaker 2: is haunted. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like
Speaker 2: I kind of just want to, like relax, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want that. Of course, secretly a little bit,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it gives me something to talk about.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see. But also I'm like, okay, tell me
Speaker 2: the stories. I want to hear it all. So they
Speaker 2: started telling me about different things within the hotel that
Speaker 2: are haunted. They didn't it wasn't to the point where
Speaker 2: there's all this lore around it. It just seemed like
Speaker 2: it's an old building and people that work here and
Speaker 2: sometimes other people that have stayed here have reported this,
Speaker 2: that or the other. Just little things, ghost things happening.
Speaker 2: So I was like, God, hope it doesn't happen like
Speaker 2: in my room. But they didn't seem to have any
Speaker 2: details about.
Speaker 1: The haunted room Room seven.
Speaker 2: Like, no, it wasn't like that. So anyway, stay in
Speaker 2: my room. First night, everything was fantastic. Actually I slept amazing.
Speaker 2: Second night. Okay, now this is the second time. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to spare some details because sometimes my mother
Speaker 2: listens to this podcast. But basically, I'll just say I
Speaker 2: met a nice gentleman who I later invited over for
Speaker 2: conversation to my hotel room. At this point, I wasn't
Speaker 2: thinking about the fact that it was haunted, because I'm like, whatever,
Speaker 2: nothing happened last night, Like, it's just a little thing
Speaker 2: about this place. Yeah, it's an old building. All old
Speaker 2: buildings are haunted a little bit, right whatever, So for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, conversation or something, this gentleman is over. Okay,
Speaker 2: And but by the way, before he comes over, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like looking too cute. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: put on a little lip, you know, one of those days,
Speaker 2: just a nice little lip, a little mass scara brush,
Speaker 2: my hair.
Speaker 1: That's it. I took a shower, you know.
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, I'm not going all out. I'm
Speaker 2: not giving them TV ready. Okay, So this young man
Speaker 2: comes over to my hotel room. I decide I'm gonna
Speaker 2: turn the lights down a little low, okay, feeling a
Speaker 2: little self conscious. And this guy's great, he's wonderful. We're
Speaker 2: having a great time, we're getting to know each other.
Speaker 2: We're talking very you know, innocent mom. So we're sitting
Speaker 2: on the couch in the hotel room talking and the
Speaker 2: overhead lights all turned on at the same time. He
Speaker 2: turns to me and he's like, how did that just happen?
Speaker 1: And I was like, they.
Speaker 2: Told me that this place is haunted. He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know about that. I don't believe that. Like I'm
Speaker 2: more into science. And then he's like, well, it's an
Speaker 2: old building maybe like the wires or whatever.
Speaker 1: Now let me add there was a lot of lights
Speaker 1: in this room.
Speaker 2: I'm more of like a lamp person, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't usually do like the main This was like an
Speaker 2: overhead ceiling light above the couch. Like I never turned
Speaker 2: that on once, so it was very shocking. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie. So I got up, I turned it off
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible, and I scampered back over to
Speaker 2: the couch. Honestly, I have a theory that the shady
Speaker 2: ass ghosts wanted this gentleman to see what he was
Speaker 2: getting himself into. Because here I am thinking, I'm slick. Oh,
Speaker 2: I can just turn down the lights a little bit.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll look like my pictures from the internet. These
Speaker 2: ghosts really exposed me. I will say that did not
Speaker 2: scare off the gentleman.
Speaker 1: So that was that.
Speaker 2: I stayed there for one other night. I slept there
Speaker 2: that night by myself. It never happened ever again. But
Speaker 2: it was very strange, which the fact that it never
Speaker 2: happened before or after that it also so it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is not like a thing that kind of happens sometimes.
Speaker 2: Oh whoops, Like the lights just turn on at eight
Speaker 2: o'clock every night, Like that wasn't that so, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it seemed pointed. It seemed like shade from the other side. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I had such a fun time with Vinnie Thomas, you
Speaker 2: might laugh. I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Vinnie Thomas.
Speaker 1: I'm with the show.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I am joined by the hilarious sensation
Speaker 2: Vinnie Thomas.
Speaker 3: Hello, Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, I think that you are the funniest person
Speaker 2: on my Instagram feed right now that I currently follow,
Speaker 2: So don't.
Speaker 1: Mess that up.
Speaker 3: That's wildly hype raise.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with your videos. I think you are so funny.
Speaker 2: I first I came on board when you have was
Speaker 2: it the Pigeons at Pride?
Speaker 3: A pigeons at Pride?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty iconic where you are portraying pigeons
Speaker 2: at Pride.
Speaker 3: They're so wacky, man like, they only want one thing,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: They want bread?
Speaker 3: They only want bread.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To see all of these these homosexuals dancing around willy nilly,
Speaker 3: doing their twirls and whatnot when all you want is
Speaker 3: bread must be a slap in the vase.
Speaker 1: That's frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we're here to talk about ghosts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we digress, we digress. We're here for ghosts.
Speaker 2: Speaking of spooky things. To me, you know, spooky is
Speaker 2: very subjective. You know, I have a fear of snakes.
Speaker 2: And behind you on this zoom call, you have your
Speaker 2: beautiful snake.
Speaker 1: Yes, whose name.
Speaker 3: Is Missus Gutierrez.
Speaker 2: I love first of all, I love that she's married,
Speaker 2: and I love Latina representation.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people who have snakes.
Speaker 3: First of all, it's a very specific type of person, right,
Speaker 3: we all know the kind of person. They have gauges,
Speaker 3: they have tattoos. They name their snake like killer or
Speaker 3: hater or whatever. I don't know. They give it mean
Speaker 3: scary names. Uh, I'm not going to give a snake
Speaker 3: a scary name. You want to make sure she's approachable.
Speaker 3: And Missus Gutierra's first and foremost is a lady, do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And she's a lady in the neighborhood. So I just
Speaker 3: wanted to give her an approachable name, like Missus Gutierras.
Speaker 1: Is there a mister Gutierrez.
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound weird. She was used for breeding purposes, Okay.
Speaker 3: The guy got her from bred Rosie BoA's so I
Speaker 3: think at some point she must have had a man.
Speaker 3: But no, she's single. She's ready to mingle. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: we're roommates.
Speaker 1: Good for you, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm somebody that does public speaking, and I go
Speaker 2: ghost hunting, and so I know that those are things
Speaker 2: that are terrifying to other.
Speaker 1: People, but another day in the office for me.
Speaker 3: So what scares you about snakes? Just like the way
Speaker 3: they move.
Speaker 2: The way they move, it's so funny. I completely forgot
Speaker 2: that you have a snake. Last night. It was home
Speaker 2: late and I started google how many times have people
Speaker 2: been eaten alive by their pet snakes? Has had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with you, or maybe it was a premonition,
Speaker 2: And I found a lot, not so many eaten, but.
Speaker 1: A lot of crush to death, you know, rush to death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cops come in and the snake is chewing
Speaker 2: on the person's face.
Speaker 3: Look, I feel like I would rather have a snake.
Speaker 3: I feel like, if you die and you have cats,
Speaker 3: then they're gonna eat you. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if like one is better one
Speaker 3: is worse. I don't know. Snakes are easier to take
Speaker 3: care of. I'll say that.
Speaker 2: Well, I would like you to feed me a frozen
Speaker 2: mouse sized serving of the paranormal.
Speaker 3: Seamless transition rods. Incredible, truly?
Speaker 1: Do you believe in the paranormal?
Speaker 3: I do. I accept that there's some things that are Yeah,
Speaker 3: what am I gonna get on this podcast and be like,
Speaker 3: I only believe in science.
Speaker 1: You don't know, we don't think. We don't do that here.
Speaker 3: No, it's wacky, that's crazy. Of course, there are some
Speaker 3: weird things that happened. You know, they just came out
Speaker 3: with the alien stuff. You know, there's a whole hearing
Speaker 3: about that. So who's to say, Who's to say the
Speaker 3: undead aren't next? Right?
Speaker 1: Woo?
Speaker 2: Have you ever encountered what you believe to be either
Speaker 2: an alien or a ghost or a cryptid or anything
Speaker 2: of that nature.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've encountered a ghost on my own.
Speaker 3: I never had like a raw ghost experience, Okay, I
Speaker 3: feel like outside of the context of like a ghost tour,
Speaker 3: like a haunted tour, I've never encountered a ghost. I
Speaker 3: would love to someday, if a ghost is listening, I
Speaker 3: would love to meet you. I would love to break
Speaker 3: bread and just get into it.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, are you one of those pigeons? What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Bread?
Speaker 2: Is there one of those pigeons in there wearing a
Speaker 2: viny tamas sou?
Speaker 3: I forgot I referenced bread already in this podcast, I
Speaker 3: should have said something else, broken some ectoplasm? What do
Speaker 3: ghosts eat? Fine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
Speaker 3: But I went on a tour of the Stanley Hotel
Speaker 3: in Colorado because that's where I'm from. Iconic Is it
Speaker 3: icon a grunt?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Stanley Hotel. Absolutely, It's what the Shining is based on.
Speaker 2: It's one of the most famous haunted places in America.
Speaker 3: It's very spooky. They take you on this tour and
Speaker 3: at one point they'll stop in a hallway and the
Speaker 3: tour guide should lift her hands up. She lift her
Speaker 3: hands up, and she'll say, Okay, everybody, take a look.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the ghosts of the kids in here like to play,
Speaker 3: and she'll point to her lanyard, and her little lanyard
Speaker 3: will wiggle back and forth like this.
Speaker 1: But is she wiggling?
Speaker 3: I do look to this day. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it was ghosts or magnets. If I was trying to
Speaker 3: scam someone, I would have put a magnet in the
Speaker 3: wall and then just put something metal in the lanyard
Speaker 3: and stood next to it. Okay, but it also could
Speaker 3: have been an apparition who wants to play a little game.
Speaker 3: I know if I was a child, ghost and I
Speaker 3: wanted to play. It wouldn't be pushing a lanyard back
Speaker 3: and forth. I would like break out a monopoly board
Speaker 3: or something. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I would say pay me.
Speaker 3: You would say pay me?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to perform?
Speaker 3: Pay me? Oh yeah, yeah. That's what they gotta do
Speaker 3: is put out a little tip jar and then the
Speaker 3: ghost perform exactly. That would be fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's pretty cool. Though.
Speaker 2: I have not yet been to the Stanley Hotel, but
Speaker 2: I need to go. It's definitely on my bucket list.
Speaker 2: And I'm jealous that you've been. You were just telling
Speaker 2: me about a story of your grandmother.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? My great grandmother. Okay, this is one of those
Speaker 3: stories that happened such a long time ago. Sometimes I
Speaker 3: don't know if it actually happened or it was an
Speaker 3: incredibly vivid dream I had that has wormed its way
Speaker 3: into my memory. But at my great grandmother's funeral, I
Speaker 3: was lifted up to kiss her on the forehead.
Speaker 1: Okay, how old are you at this point?
Speaker 3: I was very young. Could you imagine if I was
Speaker 3: like I was fifteen year years old? I think I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, two or three or four
Speaker 3: maybe three or four, okay, And she smiled a little
Speaker 3: bit like this just like you guys can't see it,
Speaker 3: but I did a little smirk. It was very funny.
Speaker 3: And I think about that a lot. I think something
Speaker 3: pushed her mouth up a little bit to make her
Speaker 3: look happy. I don't know if she smiled or if
Speaker 3: like something in that funeral home gave it a little push.
Speaker 1: They had a little string. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1: I believe that, do you? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: And you know what, I believe that you believe it.
Speaker 1: Next time I kissed the dead person, they better smile.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, anything is possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean it happened to you at a
Speaker 2: young age, and you believed it, and you continue to
Speaker 2: believe it, And I mean why not?
Speaker 3: What about you? Ron? Do you have ghost experiences like
Speaker 3: all the time?
Speaker 1: No, not all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm not somebody that's quick to say that something's a ghost,
Speaker 2: like for my own experience.
Speaker 1: If I wasn't there, okay, maybe why not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But if I'm there, I mean, you gotta really prove
Speaker 2: yourself to me.
Speaker 3: I think I'm that way too. I think it's a
Speaker 3: really really high bar. Yeah, especially if I'm in like
Speaker 3: a tour setting, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or setting that I assume to be spooky. I
Speaker 3: feel like that's all usually a setup. It's always the
Speaker 3: weird places, you know, like you're in the woods or something.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, that's where a ghost is, you.
Speaker 1: Know, totally.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I want to tell you about this this
Speaker 2: case that I researched.
Speaker 1: Oh, that took place in a haunted house.
Speaker 3: Wait what a haunted haunted house or like a halloween
Speaker 3: haunted house where teenagers like scream at you and slap
Speaker 3: you around and stuff slappy around.
Speaker 2: No, Like, this is actually a story that is very
Speaker 2: very unusual for a variety of reasons, particularly because the
Speaker 2: people lived in the house and then twenty years into
Speaker 2: living in it, it became haunted.
Speaker 1: It's not a story you hear a lot.
Speaker 2: This story is about a family known as the Pomeraning family,
Speaker 2: also a unique lass name. It very much sounds like Pomeranians.
Speaker 2: I have watched now two documentaries about this family, and constantly,
Speaker 2: when they're interviewing people that knew the family, it sounds
Speaker 2: like they're saying they're referring to a family of Pomeranians.
Speaker 1: Living in a house. But no, it is not.
Speaker 2: This is a real family that is led by Harry palmeraning.
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, Harold, come on, bitch, Harry Pomeranian. Someone's name.
Speaker 3: Someone is named Harry Pomeranian.
Speaker 2: That's unacceptable, Harold Pomeranian and Mabel palmeraning. Okay, So most
Speaker 2: of the info I got here is from these two documentaries.
Speaker 2: One of them is called Michigan Hell House, which you
Speaker 2: can watch on Max.
Speaker 1: It's a special. And there's also.
Speaker 2: One that is called a Haunting on Dice Road colon
Speaker 2: the Hell House, and it is by a a paranormal
Speaker 2: investigator slash rapper Stephen T. Shippy also known as the
Speaker 2: rapper Prozac. If anybody watches that one, I will say
Speaker 2: it's a very scary movie. I don't one hundred percent
Speaker 2: believe the footage that they capture because it's part documentary
Speaker 2: where they're interviewing people that knew the pomeranings. Then the
Speaker 2: other part is him investigating it. And this man catches
Speaker 2: ghosts left and right. They're like full on white figures
Speaker 2: moving around in the background.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so Mabel and Harry palmeraning.
Speaker 3: Why you always say that name like it tastes bad
Speaker 3: in your mouth? Palmer to be ver does? It's a
Speaker 3: crazy name.
Speaker 2: I actually, my missus Gutierrez is a Pomeranian named Rocky,
Speaker 2: and I love Pomeranians. It's hard for me to say pomeraning.
Speaker 3: Because it feels like an insult to the name Pomeranian.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're perverting it somehow.
Speaker 2: I wish it was palmerane. Okay, it's like raining men,
Speaker 2: but it's raining Pomeranians.
Speaker 1: That would be my dream.
Speaker 3: Anyway. What happened to Mabel? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So they built this house.
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty one in Meryll, Michigan, which is a
Speaker 2: farm area population about seven hundred and sixty one people about,
Speaker 2: and they never had any problems until nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1: It's the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: They're all, you know, sleeping, enjoying the silence, and bam,
Speaker 2: a window smashes, waking the family up. Of course, they
Speaker 2: get out of bed, They're like, what's going on? No culprits, nothing, Oh.
Speaker 3: My god, nobody, not even the sound of tires screeching
Speaker 3: when they leave.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: Now, maybe it was one of those pigeons looking for bread.
Speaker 2: Maybe it flew into the windows.
Speaker 3: Ros, don't be ridiculous, It couldn't have possibly been a pigeon.
Speaker 3: Be serious, ross.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I will So Harry Palmeranian gets out of
Speaker 2: the house. I'm gonna just assume he had a gun,
Speaker 2: and he's like, who the fuck did that? And they's nobody.
Speaker 2: So every single night after this, they're hearing pounding in
Speaker 2: the walls outside. It kind of sounds like bam bam bam.
Speaker 1: Like so hard.
Speaker 2: The whole house is kind of shaking a little bit.
Speaker 2: They're hitting so hard.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: They start calling the cops because they're like, we think
Speaker 2: that's clearly a human or somebody's out there.
Speaker 3: Someone is pounding right outside of our house.
Speaker 1: Or getting pounded.
Speaker 3: I know that's right.
Speaker 2: So they call the cops literally every single night, and
Speaker 2: every single night the cops come and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, these fucking people are I swear.
Speaker 2: To god, nothing, nothing, nobody. They can't find anything. One
Speaker 2: cop says that he actually went there. He showed up
Speaker 2: at the house, he went in, He saw a light
Speaker 2: bulb burst on its own. Yeah, he saw a picture
Speaker 2: frame fall off the wall. Every single night they started
Speaker 2: doing stakeouts out there and they would look for footprints.
Speaker 3: So the cops are aware of the ghost, they've seen
Speaker 3: evidence of the ghosts. They believe that a ghost is there.
Speaker 2: Yes, but like they're kind of like, come on, like,
Speaker 2: this can't be a ghost. Also, these people have lived
Speaker 2: in this house for twenty three years, so they're like,
Speaker 2: what is this.
Speaker 3: Wow, all the tax money, we send a police and
Speaker 3: they can't figure out a way to trap a ghost.
Speaker 2: Really, But I can imagine these cops are like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is embarrassing, Like we've seen some stuff now too,
Speaker 2: and we can't figure this out. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: that their masculinity or you know whatever, their pride was
Speaker 2: being hurt by this because they really got determined. I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys they were dustin for fingerprints all the time,
Speaker 2: and they got to what were They concluded this has
Speaker 2: to be somebody inside the house. The calls coming from
Speaker 2: inside the house. Whoa because they're like, we've done everything
Speaker 2: outside every single night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even neighbors can hear it. The pounding is so loud,
Speaker 1: so they go, it's someone inside. They go, you know
Speaker 1: who it is. It's Terry Pomeraning, one of the suns.
Speaker 3: M m m mmmm. They had two sons, ginger neutral name,
Speaker 3: that's how you know Terry.
Speaker 2: So they bring Terry in for questioning and they made
Speaker 2: him take a polygraph. He completely passed the whole family.
Speaker 2: They made them take polygraphs, and they're like, we are
Speaker 2: not banging on our walls.
Speaker 1: Seriously, what timeframe did this happen?
Speaker 3: Again? Like around when nineteen seventy four, ninety seventy so
Speaker 3: this was peak serial killer mind too. Yeah, the cops
Speaker 3: was spending all these resources trying to get to the
Speaker 3: coast of this house.
Speaker 2: Well, it is a small town, so I don't know
Speaker 2: how much they had going on.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, this was.
Speaker 3: Probably a big deal for them. It's probably huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the phone was ringing. They're like,
Speaker 2: what the hell else are we going to do? Probably,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we gonna kiss? Right, fellas, We're gonna
Speaker 3: kiss each other?
Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't that'd be weird.
Speaker 2: So at this point, Harry Pomeraning is getting pissed off
Speaker 2: at these cops. He's like, seriously, you guys can't figure
Speaker 2: this out. I guess we're gonna go to the next
Speaker 2: best thing, which is the Catholic church, so they call
Speaker 2: a priest in. They weren't even Catholic. Their pastor refused
Speaker 2: to come to the house because he could tell. And
Speaker 2: if the word was starting to spread, chirps were going
Speaker 2: around Meryl Michigan that this is an evil house.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wouldn't trust just any religion to do this.
Speaker 3: It has to be a religion that has garb. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. If you're not dressed in robes
Speaker 3: and necklaces or whatever, if you're just some guy down
Speaker 3: the block who's like a youth past or whatever, Right,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you're not got out for this.
Speaker 2: I need somebody that is not married that they dedicate
Speaker 2: their life to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I need a suspiciously single man to take care
Speaker 3: of this problem.
Speaker 2: In a dress, in a dress, a dazzled so he
Speaker 2: blesses the house.
Speaker 1: Shit gets worse.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, The banging ghost says, oh you want
Speaker 2: to play that game?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Comes back the next night for a sequel, and it's
Speaker 2: louder and more crazy. Now here's the thing that's real interesting.
Speaker 2: One month before all this began, in nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 2: this mysterious woman, it's heavily implied via reenactments that she
Speaker 2: was dressed in all black, kind of goth looking girl.
Speaker 3: So she's hot.
Speaker 1: We got there, super hot goth lady. I don't know.
Speaker 2: She comes by the house one day, she's just moved
Speaker 2: in down across the street or something nearby, and she's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I want to buy your house, and Harry Palmer Raning's like,
Speaker 2: the fuck you are? I built this house in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty one. She's like, I want to buy your house
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, it's not happening. M And then
Speaker 2: she's like, Okay, you're gonna regret that.
Speaker 3: And then she disappeared in a puff of smoke.
Speaker 2: Just about because she had told other neighbors that she
Speaker 2: was a witch, people witnessed her outside dancing around like
Speaker 2: she was worshiping the sun. She would gyrate around this
Speaker 2: pit full of fire outside.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One day, the son Dwyane Palmerining, Oh, who was I
Speaker 2: believe either a teenager or early twenties living at home,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. One day he's coaxed into her home.
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't remember much, but somehow she's like come.
Speaker 2: He goes into the house. He literally doesn't remember anything
Speaker 2: except seeing candles around the house.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say she probably didn't have to do
Speaker 3: much if she popped one titty out.
Speaker 1: For a teenage boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could pop a single titty out and she
Speaker 3: could just bag me the house. That's it.
Speaker 1: Well, the crazy part is she gave him a haircut.
Speaker 3: Oh no, so she has the family's hair.
Speaker 2: Now she's got some hair was I don't know if
Speaker 2: she gave him a fade. I don't really know what
Speaker 2: she did exactly, but she did a little super cuts
Speaker 2: on it and now has his hair. He come home
Speaker 2: and his brother says, okay, he was acting so weird,
Speaker 2: drops to the ground, has a seizure. Oh wait, Dwayne
Speaker 2: or Terry Dwyane, the one that just got a hair
Speaker 2: cole Lord had the seizure, had a seizure. So it
Speaker 2: is strongly believed that this woman was doing some kind
Speaker 2: of dark magic that was affecting the house.
Speaker 3: And they don't know this woman's name. They don't know
Speaker 3: who she is or anything.
Speaker 2: No, they did, I mean just a little bit. She
Speaker 2: had just moved in right before all this started happening.
Speaker 3: You know what would be crazy is like if we
Speaker 3: find out what her name is and it's just something
Speaker 3: totally normal. Like her name is like Lisa Fontoli.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I started that documentary last night about
Speaker 2: the Carlton HBO Max. I can't remember what's called. But
Speaker 2: the girl's name was Sarah Carleton or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were calling her God.
Speaker 3: No, uh, Sarah Carlton is not God. Sarah Carlton works
Speaker 3: it off as depot, you know what I mean. He's
Speaker 3: not she's not. She's not immortal. She's just the.
Speaker 1: Lady Vanessa Carleton. Different story, that's a goy.
Speaker 2: So anyway, from below the house, they start feeling explosions.
Speaker 1: Is all they can do to describe it. It's just
Speaker 1: to the point where.
Speaker 2: They're feeling lifted up from the ground, super loud. The
Speaker 2: banging's continuing. An officer apparently was actually injured in a line.
Speaker 1: Of duty after one of these reports.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can actually google their m Live,
Speaker 2: which is Michigan's main news source.
Speaker 1: They have articles that have police reports.
Speaker 2: In it, like actual photocopies of them or whatever, and
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So the sons are starting to hear voices in the house,
Speaker 2: including one that would say I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to kill your family.
Speaker 2: Mabel got attacked one day by a pillow. Oh no,
Speaker 2: that tried to suffocate her.
Speaker 3: Okay. At first when you said pillow, I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: that's not so bad, and then you said suffocate and
Speaker 3: I hed to myself, oh that is it's actually very bad.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and maybe still with us now they didn't
Speaker 3: get her no, okay, ross keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the cops accidentally gave the local press access
Speaker 2: to the reports, which at this point, you know, there
Speaker 2: was people were talking around the neighborhood, but the people
Speaker 2: from the press would go into the police station every
Speaker 2: day to be like, what he has got for us?
Speaker 2: And this was like a private matter, and somehow they
Speaker 2: accidentally got their hands on it and it became front
Speaker 2: page news that this house keeps calling the cops every
Speaker 2: night because they're hearing bangs and they think it's haunted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so of course people start driving up every single night.
Speaker 2: There's like crowds outside. Everyone's like obsessed. And now that
Speaker 2: the ghost there is like, okay, we.
Speaker 1: Got an audience. It's time for me to step it up.
Speaker 3: Okay, now we have a star on our hands.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's when the fires started.
Speaker 3: Ooh, not virotechniques ras hi Row.
Speaker 2: Wow, So a paranormal investigator from Duke University's Cyclical Research
Speaker 2: Foundation was actually called in by the cops. Again, these
Speaker 2: cops were like, we need to not feel crazy right now.
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to validate us, so they call the man.
Speaker 2: This paranormal investigator witnessed three spontaneous fires. Duane and Mabel
Speaker 2: were home one day when a toilet paper roll burst
Speaker 2: into flames.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and we know for a fact that
Speaker 3: was a ghost and not like Mabel trying to hide
Speaker 3: the evidence after she did some horrible message, because I
Speaker 3: would do the same thing if I was over someone's
Speaker 3: house then I tore up the bathroom, I would light
Speaker 3: it on fire. I'd say, oh my god, you guys,
Speaker 3: it was crazy, you guys, it was crazy. How did
Speaker 3: this happen? No, it was a ghost.
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say, like, after you have
Speaker 2: those spicy had Cheetos toilet papers on fire?
Speaker 3: You know. I was trying to think of what food
Speaker 3: I could say that would be safe to say. I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't say any cuisines. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: couldn't think of a snack fast enough. But I should
Speaker 3: have said getos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. But I you know, I do
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: It's not one I've ever thought of, which is burn
Speaker 2: the toilet paper and then say, you guys that think
Speaker 2: it's a ghost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would blame it. I'd be like someone was
Speaker 3: smoking marijuana cigarettes and they left it on the toilet roll,
Speaker 3: shame on them. And I stopped it. I put the
Speaker 3: fire out. Oh and they didn't flush and they didn't flow.
Speaker 3: They're grow who could have done this? Oh?
Speaker 2: Wait, I think you guys should leave and let me
Speaker 2: have a little bit of time in here with the
Speaker 2: ghost because I think it might be coming back.
Speaker 3: And maybe and if you hear any like moaning or
Speaker 3: shouting from the bathroom, it's the ghost for sure.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: That goes gruns. Okay anyway, Yeah, we digress. So this
Speaker 2: was witnessed by the paranormal investigator.
Speaker 1: He saw the whole thing. And you know what's crazy.
Speaker 2: There are reports out there that you could see, like
Speaker 2: official reports from the fire inspector that says there is
Speaker 2: no reasonable explanation for how this could have happened because
Speaker 2: the fire came from within the toilet paper roll and
Speaker 2: for the oxygen for it to expand the fire, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been possible.
Speaker 1: They say, so pretty strange.
Speaker 2: Anyway, there was three fires, you know that I know
Speaker 2: of at least, so much stuff happened. It seemed like
Speaker 2: it was non stop and reports that I have read.
Speaker 2: I didn't really get this from the documentaries I saw,
Speaker 2: but from other research I was doing. The family left
Speaker 2: after these fires because it was just too stressful, too scary,
Speaker 2: and Harry and Mabel did.
Speaker 1: Pass not much after. It is really sad.
Speaker 2: The sons are interviewed in these documentaries and they believe
Speaker 2: that the stress of this just like took such a
Speaker 2: toll on the parents that they passed young. But another
Speaker 2: family had moved in and.
Speaker 3: Wait, hold up, before we get the other family. Did
Speaker 3: the pome Ringuitans did they build the house or yes,
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty one, So the ghosts came in from somewhere.
Speaker 1: Else or from the witch lady.
Speaker 3: Oh the ghost is from the witch Okay, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I thought she was just part of it. But from
Speaker 3: the witch lady.
Speaker 1: They think it is highly theorized. Let's go back.
Speaker 2: They're living there for twenty years, which lady moves in,
Speaker 2: she wants the house.
Speaker 1: They say no. A month later, banging fires cops press.
Speaker 3: So two of the the Pummer Pomeranings Palmaranings die that
Speaker 3: was after they had already left the house. After they
Speaker 3: had left the house. Yeah, yeah, but the stress. They
Speaker 3: think the stress could have caused it. The suns.
Speaker 2: They died, you know, young, relatively young. You know, they
Speaker 2: died in the eighties, I believe. Yeah, So, you know
Speaker 2: they think that the stress of this, because I mean
Speaker 2: these people had like I don't know how long this
Speaker 2: entire thing lasted. But if you have a couple of
Speaker 2: years where you're not sleeping because there's banging on stop,
Speaker 2: that's gonna take a toll.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And believe me, I know in this
Speaker 3: apartment building, who banging? There's banging on every floor us.
Speaker 2: Well, just to do a little summary of some of
Speaker 2: the people that were called in on this case, Bell telephone,
Speaker 2: the local and state police, the FAA, Wow, the US
Speaker 2: Geological Survey brought seismographs.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The police brought in the paranormal expert, a different one
Speaker 2: that used a Ouiji board and during a session they
Speaker 2: saw a large knife get thrown across the kitchen.
Speaker 3: Oh shut up.
Speaker 1: If knives are flying and there's fire, this is very dangerous.
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 3: I'm not staying. For a ghost to be able to
Speaker 3: move stuff physically and like fire bend and stuff, that's
Speaker 3: wild man.
Speaker 2: Yes, so another family has lived there for over thirty
Speaker 2: years now.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It seems like it was the same family this whole time.
Speaker 2: I'm from what I'm pretty sure of. Yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 2: because I did find an article where they're like, not
Speaker 2: much has happened, you know, a thing or two. The
Speaker 2: witch woman did leave, so you know, is that related?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And both of these documentaries I watched,
Speaker 1: they do current investigations and it seems like there is
Speaker 1: something still going on at this house. But the family.
Speaker 2: It seems like the ghost was really after that family.
Speaker 3: So do you think that the witch lady maybe like
Speaker 3: sick to demon on them or something. It just seems
Speaker 3: like a very powerful, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: I don't even know, she wanted something in that house.
Speaker 2: And one of these documentaries I ask a kind of
Speaker 2: black magic witchcraft expert type person and she thinks it
Speaker 2: sounds like the woman wanted to live in the one
Speaker 2: place and have the other place be her office. You know,
Speaker 2: she wanted the Palmeraning house to be where she conducted
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Damn, I wish I could do this, start fires and
Speaker 3: other people's houses to get them to move out so
Speaker 3: I could move in, because it's hard out here in
Speaker 3: La Man, it's hard.
Speaker 1: Also, she must have had money. I don't know what
Speaker 1: she did outside of her witchcraft. Yeah, maybe she got
Speaker 1: her and she made a lot of money doing it.
Speaker 3: I think all this could boil down to her being broke,
Speaker 3: because why wouldn't you just buy a different house, you know.
Speaker 2: I think she wanted both houses. Though she wanted her
Speaker 2: house and this house.
Speaker 3: There's got to be two houses somewhere else in that
Speaker 3: entire state, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I know, who knows. Maybe she figured it out.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the family that lives there now, they say
Speaker 2: that they have seen a white, kind of glowing face
Speaker 2: peeking into the window. Yeah, so that's the story of
Speaker 2: the Michigan hell House.
Speaker 1: Do you believe it?
Speaker 3: I think I believe it because they've got so much
Speaker 3: official backing. You know, you mentioned the Geological Survey College.
Speaker 3: People came down like a lot would I would believe
Speaker 3: most of it. I do think some people tend to
Speaker 3: believe whenever a woman is wearing a black dress, she
Speaker 3: is evil, do you know what I mean? Like she
Speaker 3: did it, you know, right, especially in the seventies, if
Speaker 3: a single woman is wearing a black dress, they're just
Speaker 3: gonna think she's evil regardless, you know, she didn't she
Speaker 3: didn't have a husband at home. Yeah, she did this.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say with the one documentary I watch,
Speaker 2: I believe it was someone called Michigan Hell House.
Speaker 1: The witchcraft expert.
Speaker 2: Was saying, like, based on what I'm hearing about this lady,
Speaker 2: she doesn't sound like she was wickan. Yeah, Like, she
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like she was just witchy and maybe doing
Speaker 2: some kind of ceremonies with the earth outside, because you know,
Speaker 2: again they were seeing her dancing around outside. There were
Speaker 2: reports of like seeing other people as if it was
Speaker 2: a coven or something performing these ceremonies. So she was saying,
Speaker 2: it sounds a lot like this woman was trying to
Speaker 2: do some evil stuff. She also had three iron x's
Speaker 2: on the outside of her house, which is believed to
Speaker 2: be something that will ward off evil. So it's as
Speaker 2: if she was like, oh.
Speaker 1: I make evil, I don't bring it home with me.
Speaker 1: So she was kind of she had her shield up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, that's kind of sickening, like Triple X outside of
Speaker 1: your house.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, it's kind of hot. And her aesthetics seems
Speaker 3: really put together, really well thought out. Whether she did
Speaker 3: these things or not, I applaud her for being a
Speaker 3: woman who gets things done, because in this day and age,
Speaker 3: it's so easy to give up. Yeah, and she saw
Speaker 3: it through. She cut that boy's hair what I'm hoping
Speaker 3: is a bowl cut, and she used that hair to
Speaker 3: purge these people from their own house, the house the
Speaker 3: pomegranates built themselves. That's wild, rass. Imagine the power.
Speaker 1: That is powerful. Now I'm terrified the next time I
Speaker 1: get a haircut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna ask to keep it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want that. Yeah, I grew it, Give it
Speaker 1: to me. That's mine.
Speaker 3: Rtell, don't you let don't you let that twink sweep
Speaker 3: that up?
Speaker 1: Let's not go in ways? What's he gonna do with that?
Speaker 3: Exactly? No, I'm gonna make a doll.
Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of can I show you a haunted doll
Speaker 2: on eBay? Oh my gosh, Yes, it's time for a
Speaker 2: segment I like to call the dolls are living? Geeha,
Speaker 2: can you throw up this doll for us. I would
Speaker 2: like for you, Vinnie Thomas, to meet Benjamin.
Speaker 3: Benjamin doesn't look hanted. Shut up, Benjamin's not haunted. Benjamin's
Speaker 3: just the little guy, Okay.
Speaker 2: Benjamin is a teddy bear, not a scary looking one.
Speaker 2: A lot of times we look at real scary looking ones.
Speaker 3: I thought this was gonna be a porcelain girl with
Speaker 3: like ratty hair, real real Cynthia type from Rugrats. This
Speaker 3: is a whole other thing.
Speaker 2: Right, But that's almost hack at this point, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you gotta keep the people on
Speaker 2: their toes. You know, people are expecting that girl to
Speaker 2: be haunted that what they're not expecting is Benjamin. And
Speaker 2: Benjamin looks like a build a bear chop kind of
Speaker 2: a doll, just a regular old teddy bear. He has
Speaker 2: a Christmas sweater on and a Christmas hat to the side.
Speaker 1: But the thing with all of these dolls is that
Speaker 1: they come with backstories.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's the part that I like. So
Speaker 2: this is Benjamin. It says, by the way, he's going
Speaker 2: for eighteen dollars, so a little bit of a discount diva.
Speaker 2: And if anybody wants to see what he looks like.
Speaker 2: Just go to ghosted Biros on Instagram and I'll have
Speaker 2: the picture there. Okay, So it says he is twenty
Speaker 2: two years old and he passed away in a skiing accident.
Speaker 2: He's loving a sweet guy, and he's gay and he
Speaker 2: needs a good home. He worked at an animal shelter
Speaker 2: and also he was involved in many animal rescues. He
Speaker 2: also did fundraisers for the shelter and helped in any
Speaker 2: other way he could. He is an advocate against animal
Speaker 2: abuse and has attended many rallies and gave speed. He
Speaker 2: also loves cooking and baking and often would bake cookies
Speaker 2: and other goodies to bring to work for everyone. He
Speaker 2: also made homemade dog treats. He was still learning how
Speaker 2: to ski when he his boyfriend and some of their friends.
Speaker 1: Went to a skiing trip.
Speaker 2: He had met a nice guy and they had been
Speaker 2: dating for about seven months, and he had planned on
Speaker 2: asking him to marry him on his birthday and he
Speaker 2: had it all set up to do so. He is
Speaker 2: sad that his life got cut short and didn't have
Speaker 2: the chance to get married. Benjamin is very friendly, nice
Speaker 2: and kind. He sometimes flickers our lights and opens and
Speaker 2: shuts doors. At times, we smell cookies or other goodies baking,
Speaker 2: although we're not making anything. He also sometimes turns on
Speaker 2: our TV, and he has knocked on our doors, walls,
Speaker 2: in windows, and sometimes makes other noises. He is ready
Speaker 2: for a new home. Can you help him?
Speaker 1: Eighteen dollars?
Speaker 3: I'm a little perplexed. Were you also a little perplexed?
Speaker 3: When they say Benjamin died? Are they describing the person
Speaker 3: whose soul was grafted onto this bear?
Speaker 2: Okay, now this is old for me, but I understand
Speaker 2: some people. Some people aren't deep into the eBay haunted
Speaker 2: doll world as I am.
Speaker 1: Some people everyone but me. So it is believed.
Speaker 2: I think that when you die, you either get heaven,
Speaker 2: how nothing, or a doll that.
Speaker 1: Gets sold on eBay.
Speaker 2: That's what you get to choose. Those are your four options.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's toy story. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, but it's believed by these people that
Speaker 2: sell these on eBay. And there are thousands at a
Speaker 2: time that somebody has died and somehow, some way ended
Speaker 2: up inside of a doll.
Speaker 3: And how do their stories get to like do they
Speaker 3: write them in the fog on the bathroom mirror.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes oh really, okay, got you? That's one way
Speaker 2: that tracks.
Speaker 3: So there's a little gay, there's a gay, there's a
Speaker 3: gay man. There's a young gay man, yes, trapped inside
Speaker 3: of this bear.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's trapped, you know, maybe it
Speaker 2: was his choice. I'm not sure, but either way, he
Speaker 2: has somehow ended up in this bear. He misses his
Speaker 2: possible fiance, and he likes cooking.
Speaker 3: And is that and that's enough for you to want
Speaker 3: to buy it? No?
Speaker 1: I don't want this in my house.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't meet the criteria for like the standards
Speaker 3: you would would you ever buy a hundred dollars? No?
Speaker 2: No, I would never buy any of these. But I'm
Speaker 2: fascinated by them. And if you would like, I have
Speaker 2: access to eighteen dollars. I could send you Benjamin. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: he likes animals. You like animals.
Speaker 3: No, I don't want Benjamin up in my house. I
Speaker 3: don't want because you know what died in a skiing trip. Mary,
Speaker 3: we know what that means.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Cocaine? I don't want.
Speaker 2: What I'm waiting for is somebody that listens to my
Speaker 2: show to be like my friend Benjamin died in a
Speaker 2: skiing accident, and like to ski is.
Speaker 1: Is this Benjamin? Look, it couldn't be the same Benjamin.
Speaker 3: That hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2: It hasn't happened yet, but I'm waiting for that. That
Speaker 2: is my dream, I think.
Speaker 3: Look, first of all, I don't know if I would
Speaker 3: clock this bear as a gay bear up top. The
Speaker 3: only thing that's maybe giving a little bit gay is
Speaker 3: the fact that his little beanie cap is cocked off
Speaker 3: to the side.
Speaker 1: Christmas is kind of gay. It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: I guess Christmas is gay, but I feel like they
Speaker 3: are gayer holidays, Like I don't know, Easter. He could
Speaker 3: have been in little pants, little zoot suit. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean Christmas is pretty gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yea yeah. If I were to get this,
Speaker 3: if I would to purchase this, I would put it
Speaker 3: probably in a jar, and I would fill the jar
Speaker 3: with like some kind of liquid, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: Poppers?
Speaker 3: Poppers, And I would fill the jar with poppers and
Speaker 3: he would never leave. He would float around in there
Speaker 3: and he'd have the time of his life and he'd
Speaker 3: be rock hard for eternity. And that's it. You know,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna give him the send off that he
Speaker 3: wants and that he deserves. You know what I might do,
Speaker 3: Roz is, I might go to build a bear workshop
Speaker 3: and they would hate this, but I put together a
Speaker 3: little leather daddy bear. I'd go and find some little
Speaker 3: shraps and stuff, and I just sit him together in
Speaker 3: the poppers jar and then that's it. He'd be happy.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't bother me, he wouldn't tap on the walls
Speaker 3: or anything. Be a roommate.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cute, I think.
Speaker 2: So all right, send me your address in the chat
Speaker 2: and we'll make this happen.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. That was all a bit. Don't
Speaker 3: send me this bear.
Speaker 1: Okay? You want to hear some ghost voices? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: time for.
Speaker 2: EVP or ev plicse.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the term EVP?
Speaker 3: No? What is EVP?
Speaker 2: EVP is electronic voice phenomenon. So when people go ghost hunting,
Speaker 2: they capture a ghost speaking on any kind of audio
Speaker 2: equipment doesn't really matter as long as the ghost speaking.
Speaker 2: I like to find some of these that people post
Speaker 2: on YouTube, TikTok wherever, and I'm gonna play you two
Speaker 2: of them and I want you to tell me what
Speaker 2: you hear, and then I'll give you some options, one
Speaker 2: of them being what the ghost hunter believes the ghost
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: All right, this first.
Speaker 2: One comes from c CPR on YouTube and they found
Speaker 2: this at the Miramont Castle.
Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying? I'll play it again.
Speaker 3: That ghost is saying, I just want a cola.
Speaker 1: I just want a cola.
Speaker 3: He just wants a cola. He's got unfinished business, and
Speaker 3: his unfinished business is that he wants a nice, ice cold,
Speaker 3: fizzy drink to send him on his way. He just
Speaker 3: wants a cola. And problem is is I feel like
Speaker 3: we have a lot of people who are not active listeners.
Speaker 1: To the skos you mean, or to my podcast, to both.
Speaker 3: I'm afraid we need more on both fronts. But I
Speaker 3: don't think people are listening to this ghost. He clearly
Speaker 3: just wants a cola. I don't think it's ambiguous at all.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think that's exactly what he said.
Speaker 2: Let me hear again, Okay, I kind of hear. I
Speaker 2: just want Jenko's you know those big jeans, Janko's Jingo jeans. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: here's some options. Is it a jingle? Jangle? Is it
Speaker 2: B check off? Is it C Let's go I'm getting cold?
Speaker 2: Or D you've got kang goles?
Speaker 3: Ooh shame, dear shady.
Speaker 1: All right, let's play it again. It's one of those.
Speaker 3: What was the third one?
Speaker 1: Let's go, I'm getting cold.
Speaker 3: No, it's cankles.
Speaker 1: They believe that it is check off.
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, because it sounds like he has
Speaker 2: an American accent and not check off like check off,
Speaker 2: like it's check off.
Speaker 3: Oh you mean check off. I watched too much Star Trek.
Speaker 3: That's my problem.
Speaker 1: It's either they thought it was check off or uck off.
Speaker 3: No, everyone wants ghost to swear. I don't think he
Speaker 3: was swearing.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me play it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I hear check off. Wait a second, where's
Speaker 1: the Mirramont Castle. I should have said this already. H second,
Speaker 1: we're googling, and we're googling.
Speaker 2: Okay, this was at the mirror Mount Castle and Manitou Springs, Colorado.
Speaker 3: Oh so he's cold manitud Spring's chili, so he is calm? Yeah,
Speaker 3: check off.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear another one. This one is from Arkansas
Speaker 2: Valley Ghost Hunters and it was also in Colorado. It
Speaker 2: was taken at the Fox Theater, which is in La Junta.
Speaker 3: Wow, Colorado is very spooky.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Uh, what's that airport in Denver? Don't
Speaker 1: get me started.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can talk about the airport for
Speaker 3: four hours.
Speaker 1: Don't get me started. I won't thank you.
Speaker 3: What does sound? Damn?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: What is this ghost saying? Okay, there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of crash boom banging, but it's a whisper. Yeah, let
Speaker 2: me hear again.
Speaker 3: I heard I have to tell you something. But she
Speaker 3: says it in like it's a whisper, but it's in
Speaker 3: kind of like a.
Speaker 4: Kind of like a New York dame, like I gotta
Speaker 4: tell you something. Oh missed the president, like almost like Monroe,
Speaker 4: but not quite you know, I gotta tell you something,
Speaker 4: mister president.
Speaker 3: And that's what she's saying. Okay, um, it's close.
Speaker 2: That's not what the Arkansas Valley ghost hunters heard.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, there are simple people in Arkansas say that.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Is it a a natty in siggs? That's my diet,
Speaker 2: you know, a natty like a natural ice or a
Speaker 2: natural light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a natty in SIGs. It's my diet.
Speaker 1: Is it b I'm panicking, Please be nice?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Is it c my daddy? It said, we have to hide?
Speaker 1: What or d my man? He is fit? He likes
Speaker 1: to bike?
Speaker 3: Okay, it's the first one. I'll say. The second one
Speaker 3: and the third one are nuts? Those Those sound like
Speaker 3: poetry that you make from fridge magnets. Like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what the Arkansas people are thinking. That didn't make
Speaker 3: any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Well, they believe it was. See my daddy, it said,
Speaker 2: we have to hide.
Speaker 3: My daddy it said, we have to hide.
Speaker 1: Let's hear it again.
Speaker 3: Oh, brother, I hear it. Shut up. I swear to
Speaker 3: God if you think she said my daddy, it said,
Speaker 3: what does my daddy? It said, even mean.
Speaker 2: She's talking about how her daddy said pennywise the clown
Speaker 2: also known as it it told her that they had
Speaker 2: to hide. Now listen, my daddy, it said, we have
Speaker 2: to hide.
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything more clear.
Speaker 3: Here's what I could hear. I could maybe hear my
Speaker 3: dad hit his head, we have to hide, which makes
Speaker 3: more sense.
Speaker 1: Oh so the dad hit the head.
Speaker 3: And she's telling someone else. Okay, she's not referring to
Speaker 3: her daddy as my daddy. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're saying, you, guys, my dad just hit
Speaker 2: his head. He's about to be pissed off. We have
Speaker 2: to hide.
Speaker 3: I mean, like maybe someone else is coming to get
Speaker 3: her and her family and they knocked her dad out. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened at the Fox Theater. I'm
Speaker 2: no detective, but someone needs to check in on that
Speaker 2: little girl. Yeah, okay, well we're gonna wrap this this
Speaker 2: little seance up.
Speaker 1: Let's just see one thing real quick while I got chucked.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just gonna throw out some different paranormal stuff
Speaker 2: and let me know if you have any thoughts or
Speaker 2: maybe a story or anything comes up.
Speaker 1: We'll just see great psychics. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Oh? I think psychics are good if they're very expensive. Mm,
Speaker 3: if they're cheap, Like, I don't know if I trust
Speaker 3: a ten dollars psychic because that's a cheap vision. I
Speaker 3: feel like a vision's got to be very expense. I
Speaker 3: haven't spent money on a psychic. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I ever would, but if I did, it would be
Speaker 3: expensive and it would be one that you have to
Speaker 3: hear about from someone else, not when you just see
Speaker 3: on the street with a sign right right.
Speaker 2: You know, I've I've heard people talk about this stuff
Speaker 2: a lot, and I'm sorry because I know that people
Speaker 2: that listen to the show, a lot of people are
Speaker 2: different thoughts about all this stuff, and that's that's what's
Speaker 2: so beautiful about us all having different thoughts. But to me,
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna shame anyone for knowing they're worth and
Speaker 2: saying this is how much I want to charge. And
Speaker 2: some psychics are expensive, and I don't see any shame
Speaker 2: in that because listen, you.
Speaker 1: Don't have to pay for it.
Speaker 3: No, you don't.
Speaker 2: If that's what that person wants to charge. First of all,
Speaker 2: they're probably booked and busy exactly. Also, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're going to use their time, which is very busy,
Speaker 2: it's going to have to cost a lot of money.
Speaker 2: I don't fault any psychic for charging as much as
Speaker 2: they want. They can do whatever they want. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of psychics.
Speaker 1: Find one in your price range, and you're very brave
Speaker 1: for saying that, save up for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it should be a treat.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, or don't don't do it. But I
Speaker 2: don't believe in shaming anyone for saying this is how
Speaker 2: much I believe what I do is worth.
Speaker 3: In that regard, we differ. I do think it's shameful,
Speaker 3: but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I
Speaker 3: don't think it should illegal, you know anyway, I mean, what.
Speaker 1: Do you think of kryptids?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: How much should they charge for an appearance? For an appearance,
Speaker 2: Bigfoot could charge top dollar. Bigfoot, first of all a model.
Speaker 2: When Bigfoot move and Bigfoot just freezes like it's nothing,
Speaker 2: kicks that little shoulder up, kicks that legout forward, and
Speaker 2: gets the perfect picture every time pops the head. Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is more iconic to me as a silhouette. Yeah, than
Speaker 2: any of the girls. Bigfoot is more iconic than Naomi Campbell,
Speaker 2: Heidi Klum, all of them.
Speaker 3: Right, it's Bigfoot. You know, you can't recognize Tyro from
Speaker 3: a silhouette. You could recognize Bigfoot from a silhouette, and
Speaker 3: that's iconic.
Speaker 2: But here's what I will say about that. Yeah, those
Speaker 2: other girls were brave enough to take thousands of photos.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot gave the girls one and said this is it.
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit easier to get.
Speaker 1: To icon status.
Speaker 2: If there's only one photo, you're never seeing the bad
Speaker 2: You're never seeing a bad day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you're right, And I will say, however,
Speaker 3: Devil's advocate, Bigfoot, left people wanting more Tyra there you go,
Speaker 3: oversaturated the market and was shaving women bald for no
Speaker 3: reason on that little show of hers.
Speaker 1: What was she doing with that hair?
Speaker 3: And what was she doing with that hair? Tyra was
Speaker 3: the woman. Tyro was the woman. What other cryptids make
Speaker 3: good models? I'd say lochness NeSSI she's pretty sexy.
Speaker 1: Jacalobes jackalobe.
Speaker 3: No one talks about jacolobes enough.
Speaker 1: Jacoalobes is jackalope a cryptid.
Speaker 3: Roz Yeah, jacolobes are crypted.
Speaker 1: Tell me about jackalobes.
Speaker 3: A jacalobe is a mixture of a prong horn antelope
Speaker 3: and a jack rabbit. And it's like a big giant
Speaker 3: jack rabbit with two horns on its head, two prong horns.
Speaker 1: Those aren't real? No oh, I thought that was real.
Speaker 2: That's where it's a fine line. It's always a fine line.
Speaker 2: Is this just an animal that we don't see very much?
Speaker 2: Or is this a magical creature?
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people thought they were real
Speaker 3: because people would taxidermium together a lot in the West,
Speaker 3: you know, and sell them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay, sort of how they do like mermaids
Speaker 2: and different hybrids.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did you see though, They used to have
Speaker 3: those in the Ripley Museum, the half monkey, half fish.
Speaker 2: The Fiji mermaids. Yeah, okay. What about synchronicities. Are you
Speaker 2: the kind of person you go, oh, that was just
Speaker 2: a coincidence, or do you go, oh, that means something.
Speaker 3: I think I'm the kind of person who says, oh
Speaker 3: that means something, and then I immediately dismiss it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I think.
Speaker 3: Everyone's that kind of person, right, They're like, this is
Speaker 3: kind of wait, no, that's dumb, and then I move
Speaker 3: on with my day. I don't know. I guess it
Speaker 3: depends on the thing. What's a big Do you have
Speaker 3: any syncreticities that come to mind when you think of a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a lot of moments like, okay, my
Speaker 2: best friend and I so many times will be like, well,
Speaker 2: text each other right when we were both about to
Speaker 2: text each other m hm, and we're always just and
Speaker 2: it'll be like the same thing that we both wanted
Speaker 2: to say completely ran or whatever, and that's where like
Speaker 2: it's because we have a connection, we're supposed to be
Speaker 2: in each other's lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's a good one. I have that
Speaker 3: experience with a lot of people too. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I don't know if I think it's supernatural. I
Speaker 3: think it's like you just put two primates in a
Speaker 3: room for long enough and they're gonna start to act
Speaker 3: like each other. So I'm sorry, Ross, am I hearts
Speaker 3: in the vibes?
Speaker 1: No? No, okay? What do you think last one?
Speaker 3: Okay? Great?
Speaker 1: What about Ouiji boards? Have you ever played one?
Speaker 3: No? Those were absolutely forbidden in our house.
Speaker 1: Did you grow up with religion or what I would say?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up with religion, just kind of your
Speaker 3: plain old Christians. Okay, but Ouiji boards were not permitted.
Speaker 3: My grandmother's from Italy, so my mom carried over some
Speaker 3: latent like old world superstitions.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, tell me about it. I love superstitions.
Speaker 3: Well, my grandmother like she this is the first nick
Speaker 3: I've ever had. I always kept reptiles since I was
Speaker 3: very young, but I was never allowed to have a
Speaker 3: snat because my grandmother believed that a snake chased her
Speaker 3: home from school once like a mile.
Speaker 1: I believe that. Believe that really?
Speaker 3: Ros you believe an animal with no legs chased her for
Speaker 3: a mile? It's nuts.
Speaker 1: What they don't have to have legs. I've seen those things.
Speaker 3: They squirm, That's true, they do squirm, But I think
Speaker 3: and she associates snakes with like symbols of evil, and
Speaker 3: she like, will not enter anyone's house if there's like,
Speaker 3: you know, a snake in it and it's you know,
Speaker 3: stuff like that, any symbol of the devil or like anything.
Speaker 3: Just superstition, superstition, superstition. But Ouiji boards were one of
Speaker 3: those things where it's like my mom couldn't tell you
Speaker 3: exactly what she thought was wrong with it, but she
Speaker 3: knew it was bad to have one because it felt
Speaker 3: like demonic or whatever. Are you asking me if they work?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I'm just wondering if you ever
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are if you've ever used one.
Speaker 3: No, I've never used one, and maybe I should. I
Speaker 3: still have time. I'm pretty young. I could use a
Speaker 3: Wigi board. Still, yeah you should. Why not do you
Speaker 3: have a Oigi board?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't let anything in my house whatsoever. The only
Speaker 2: way I would do is if it was in a
Speaker 2: case like your snake.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, see I'm obsessed with this. Yeah, you should
Speaker 3: use a Wigi board. As for me personally, I would never.
Speaker 3: I would never touch it. I wouldn't associate with it. It's terrifying.
Speaker 2: Now there's a big difference for me. Like my work
Speaker 2: I do somewhere else. I don't bring it home with me.
Speaker 3: Would you get a business Wigi board? Would you get
Speaker 3: like a Oigi typewriter or something so that way you
Speaker 3: knew the ghost you were contacting was a professional, right.
Speaker 2: I've used them in recent times, like doing these investigations,
Speaker 2: but I don't keep them.
Speaker 1: I don't keep it around now.
Speaker 3: Okay I would I would contact a ghost for networking
Speaker 3: purposes if I knew it would further my career.
Speaker 1: Oh of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah. All right.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Hey Vinny, thanks for joining me. This is such
Speaker 2: a fun insight into you.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Where do you want people to find you? Tell us
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 3: That's an excellent question. You guys can follow me on Instagram,
Speaker 3: TikTok and Twitter at v I n N underscore a
Speaker 3: y y that's at v I N n Underscore.
Speaker 1: Ay y, don't you have a movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, tee. I'm also in I'm in an Apple
Speaker 3: TV Plus series called Platonic and there will be a
Speaker 3: movie coming out next year sometime, so keep an eye
Speaker 3: out for that.
Speaker 2: Ooh, missus Gucciera is going to have her own guest
Speaker 2: house soon one.
Speaker 1: Of these days.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, can you imagine I buy her a
Speaker 3: little Spanish colonial style mansion.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's terrifying for.
Speaker 3: Me, and I just put a snake in it, locked
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 2: That's my showing up to an Airbnb and finding that.
Speaker 3: No sad things ross come on.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, Thank you so much. I don't
Speaker 2: see the snake in that cage. You should be terrified.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: She's gone. Thank you so much. To Vinnie Tamas, seriously
Speaker 2: go follow me. He's hilarious and follow me too, you
Speaker 2: know why not?
Speaker 1: Guys, I love you.
Speaker 2: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you.
Speaker 5: To haunt me, don't haunt me, kay By.
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Speaker 2: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
Speaker 2: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed
Speaker 2: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
Speaker 2: petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Speaker 2: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine
Speaker 2: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac,
Speaker 2: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
Speaker 2: chilling Karen Kilgareff, the spooky Georgia hard Stark, and the
Speaker 2: frightening Danielle Kramer.