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Speaker 1: What's that ad spooky? Hey juky, I'm really sure it's dead.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, hell I I days please Hey boo,

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Speaker 2: It's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez,

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Speaker 2: the podcast where I like to talk to people that

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Speaker 2: I like about something that I like, which is the

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Speaker 2: paranormal I have got on the show today the hilarious

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Speaker 2: comedian actor Internet sensation Vinnie Thomas. But before we get

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Speaker 2: to that, I have got a story. This was sent

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Speaker 2: to me by a listener named me. Okay, sorry to

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Speaker 2: take this one over, but I think I encountered a

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Speaker 2: ghost this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you the story.

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Speaker 2: Now, I will spare you some details for a few

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Speaker 2: different reasons. Okay, I stayed at a haunted hotel. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is like a smaller hotel, not well known for

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Speaker 2: being haunted. Honestly, I don't think it's like that haunted.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna leave out the name in the

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Speaker 2: location because you know, while yes, some people like you,

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Speaker 2: freakyneeky people that listen to this show, a lot of

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Speaker 2: you would like to stay in a haunted hotel, there's

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Speaker 2: also a lot of people like myself that would prefer

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Speaker 2: not to sleep in a haunted hotel. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: some hotels like to talk about some doubt. I don't

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Speaker 2: know the status on this one, but either way, it's

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Speaker 2: not that relevant. To be honest, let me just tell

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Speaker 2: you the ghost part. So I get to this hotel

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Speaker 2: and I was staying for a couple of days. I

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Speaker 2: was in between jobs and just getting away, you know,

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Speaker 2: staff is like, oh, whatever, they knew I liked to

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Speaker 2: talk about ghosts. So they're like, guess what this place

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Speaker 2: is haunted. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like

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Speaker 2: I kind of just want to, like relax, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't want that. Of course, secretly a little bit,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it gives me something to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see. But also I'm like, okay, tell me

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Speaker 2: the stories. I want to hear it all. So they

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Speaker 2: started telling me about different things within the hotel that

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Speaker 2: are haunted. They didn't it wasn't to the point where

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Speaker 2: there's all this lore around it. It just seemed like

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Speaker 2: it's an old building and people that work here and

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Speaker 2: sometimes other people that have stayed here have reported this,

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Speaker 2: that or the other. Just little things, ghost things happening.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, God, hope it doesn't happen like

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Speaker 1: The haunted room Room seven.

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Speaker 2: Like, no, it wasn't like that. So anyway, stay in

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Speaker 2: my room. First night, everything was fantastic. Actually I slept amazing.

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Speaker 2: Second night. Okay, now this is the second time. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have to spare some details because sometimes my mother

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Speaker 2: listens to this podcast. But basically, I'll just say I

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Speaker 2: met a nice gentleman who I later invited over for

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Speaker 2: nothing happened last night, Like, it's just a little thing

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Speaker 2: about this place. Yeah, it's an old building. All old

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, conversation or something, this gentleman is over. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And but by the way, before he comes over, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: But I'm just like, I'm not going all out. I'm

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Speaker 2: We're talking very you know, innocent mom. So we're sitting

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Speaker 1: Now let me add there was a lot of lights

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Speaker 2: I can just turn down the lights a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll look like my pictures from the internet. These

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Speaker 2: I stayed there for one other night. I slept there

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Speaker 2: that night by myself. It never happened ever again. But

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Speaker 2: happened before or after that it also so it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is not like a thing that kind of happens sometimes.

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Speaker 2: it seemed pointed. It seemed like shade from the other side. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I had such a fun time with Vinnie Thomas, you

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Speaker 2: might laugh. I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Vinnie Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm with the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I am joined by the hilarious sensation

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Speaker 2: Vinnie Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, I think that you are the funniest person

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Speaker 2: on my Instagram feed right now that I currently follow,

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Speaker 2: So don't.

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Speaker 1: Mess that up.

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Speaker 3: That's wildly hype raise.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with your videos. I think you are so funny.

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Speaker 2: I first I came on board when you have was

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Speaker 2: it the Pigeons at Pride?

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Speaker 3: A pigeons at Pride?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty iconic where you are portraying pigeons

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Speaker 3: They're so wacky, man like, they only want one thing,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: They want bread?

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Speaker 3: They only want bread.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: To see all of these these homosexuals dancing around willy nilly,

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Speaker 3: doing their twirls and whatnot when all you want is

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Speaker 3: bread must be a slap in the vase.

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Speaker 1: That's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we're here to talk about ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we digress, we digress. We're here for ghosts.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of spooky things. To me, you know, spooky is

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Speaker 2: very subjective. You know, I have a fear of snakes.

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Speaker 2: And behind you on this zoom call, you have your

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Speaker 2: beautiful snake.

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Speaker 1: Yes, whose name.

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Speaker 3: Is Missus Gutierrez.

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Speaker 2: I love first of all, I love that she's married,

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Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people who have snakes.

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's a very specific type of person, right,

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Speaker 3: we all know the kind of person. They have gauges,

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Speaker 3: hater or whatever. I don't know. They give it mean

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Speaker 3: scary names. Uh, I'm not going to give a snake

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Speaker 3: And Missus Gutierra's first and foremost is a lady, do

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Speaker 3: And she's a lady in the neighborhood. So I just

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Speaker 1: Is there a mister Gutierrez.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna sound weird. She was used for breeding purposes, Okay.

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Speaker 3: The guy got her from bred Rosie BoA's so I

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Speaker 3: But no, she's single. She's ready to mingle. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Good for you, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I'm somebody that does public speaking, and I go

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Speaker 1: People, but another day in the office for me.

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Speaker 3: So what scares you about snakes? Just like the way

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Speaker 2: The way they move, it's so funny. I completely forgot

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Speaker 2: And I found a lot, not so many eaten, but.

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Speaker 1: A lot of crush to death, you know, rush to death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the cops come in and the snake is chewing

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Speaker 3: Look, I feel like I would rather have a snake.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, if you die and you have cats,

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if like one is better one

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Speaker 2: Well, I would like you to feed me a frozen

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Speaker 3: Seamless transition rods. Incredible, truly?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe in the paranormal?

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Speaker 3: I do. I accept that there's some things that are Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I only believe in science.

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Speaker 1: You don't know, we don't think. We don't do that here.

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Speaker 3: No, it's wacky, that's crazy. Of course, there are some

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Speaker 3: weird things that happened. You know, they just came out

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Speaker 1: Woo?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever encountered what you believe to be either

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I've encountered a ghost on my own.

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Speaker 3: would love to meet you. I would love to break

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Speaker 3: bread and just get into it.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, are you one of those pigeons? What

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? Bread?

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Speaker 2: Is there one of those pigeons in there wearing a

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Speaker 2: viny tamas sou?

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Speaker 3: I forgot I referenced bread already in this podcast, I

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Speaker 3: should have said something else, broken some ectoplasm? What do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no.

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Speaker 3: But I went on a tour of the Stanley Hotel

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Speaker 2: Stanley Hotel. Absolutely, It's what the Shining is based on.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the most famous haunted places in America.

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Speaker 3: It's very spooky. They take you on this tour and

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the ghosts of the kids in here like to play,

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Speaker 3: I do look to this day. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I would say pay me.

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Speaker 3: You would say pay me?

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to perform?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's pretty cool. Though.

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Speaker 2: I have not yet been to the Stanley Hotel, but

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Speaker 2: And I'm jealous that you've been. You were just telling

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Speaker 3: Yeah? My great grandmother. Okay, this is one of those

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Speaker 3: I was very young. Could you imagine if I was

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Speaker 1: They had a little string. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh wow.

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Speaker 1: I believe that, do you? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I believe that you believe it.

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Speaker 1: Next time I kissed the dead person, they better smile.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, anything is possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean it happened to you at a

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Speaker 3: What about you? Ron? Do you have ghost experiences like

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Speaker 1: No, not all the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not somebody that's quick to say that something's a ghost,

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Speaker 1: If I wasn't there, okay, maybe why not.

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Speaker 2: But if I'm there, I mean, you gotta really prove

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Speaker 3: I think I'm that way too. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or setting that I assume to be spooky. I

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Speaker 3: feel like that's all usually a setup. It's always the

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, that's where a ghost is, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, totally.

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I want to tell you about this this

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Speaker 1: Oh, that took place in a haunted house.

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Speaker 3: Wait what a haunted haunted house or like a halloween

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Speaker 3: haunted house where teenagers like scream at you and slap

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Speaker 2: No, Like, this is actually a story that is very

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Speaker 2: very unusual for a variety of reasons, particularly because the

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Speaker 2: living in it, it became haunted.

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Speaker 1: It's not a story you hear a lot.

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Speaker 2: This story is about a family known as the Pomeraning family,

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Speaker 2: also a unique lass name. It very much sounds like Pomeranians.

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Speaker 2: I have watched now two documentaries about this family, and constantly,

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Speaker 1: Living in a house. But no, it is not.

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Speaker 2: This is a real family that is led by Harry palmeraning.

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Speaker 3: Oh, come on, Harold, come on, bitch, Harry Pomeranian. Someone's name.

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Speaker 3: Someone is named Harry Pomeranian.

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Speaker 2: That's unacceptable, Harold Pomeranian and Mabel palmeraning. Okay, So most

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Speaker 2: of the info I got here is from these two documentaries.

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Speaker 2: One of them is called Michigan Hell House, which you

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Speaker 1: It's a special. And there's also.

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Speaker 2: One that is called a Haunting on Dice Road colon

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Speaker 2: the Hell House, and it is by a a paranormal

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Speaker 2: it's a very scary movie. I don't one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: believe the footage that they capture because it's part documentary

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so Mabel and Harry palmeraning.

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Speaker 3: Why you always say that name like it tastes bad

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Speaker 3: in your mouth? Palmer to be ver does? It's a

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Speaker 2: I actually, my missus Gutierrez is a Pomeranian named Rocky,

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Speaker 2: and I love Pomeranians. It's hard for me to say pomeraning.

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Speaker 3: Because it feels like an insult to the name Pomeranian.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're perverting it somehow.

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Speaker 2: I wish it was palmerane. Okay, it's like raining men,

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Speaker 2: but it's raining Pomeranians.

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Speaker 1: That would be my dream.

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Speaker 3: Anyway. What happened to Mabel? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So they built this house.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty one in Meryll, Michigan, which is a

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Speaker 1: It's the middle of the night.

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Speaker 2: They're all, you know, sleeping, enjoying the silence, and bam,

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Speaker 2: a window smashes, waking the family up. Of course, they

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Speaker 2: get out of bed, They're like, what's going on? No culprits, nothing, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, nobody, not even the sound of tires screeching

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Speaker 3: when they leave.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: Now, maybe it was one of those pigeons looking for bread.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it flew into the windows.

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Speaker 3: Ros, don't be ridiculous, It couldn't have possibly been a pigeon.

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Speaker 3: Be serious, ross.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I will So Harry Palmeranian gets out of

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Speaker 2: and he's like, who the fuck did that? And they's nobody.

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Speaker 2: So every single night after this, they're hearing pounding in

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Speaker 1: Like so hard.

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Speaker 2: The whole house is kind of shaking a little bit.

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Speaker 2: They're hitting so hard.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: They start calling the cops because they're like, we think

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Speaker 2: that's clearly a human or somebody's out there.

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Speaker 3: Someone is pounding right outside of our house.

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Speaker 1: Or getting pounded.

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Speaker 3: I know that's right.

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Speaker 2: So they call the cops literally every single night, and

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Speaker 2: every single night the cops come and they're.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, these fucking people are I swear.

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Speaker 2: To god, nothing, nothing, nobody. They can't find anything. One

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Speaker 2: cop says that he actually went there. He showed up

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Speaker 2: bulb burst on its own. Yeah, he saw a picture

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Speaker 2: doing stakeouts out there and they would look for footprints.

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Speaker 3: So the cops are aware of the ghost, they've seen

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Speaker 3: evidence of the ghosts. They believe that a ghost is there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but like they're kind of like, come on, like,

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Speaker 2: this can't be a ghost. Also, these people have lived

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Speaker 2: what is this.

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Speaker 3: Wow, all the tax money, we send a police and

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Speaker 3: they can't figure out a way to trap a ghost.

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Speaker 2: Really, But I can imagine these cops are like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is embarrassing, Like we've seen some stuff now too,

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Speaker 2: and we can't figure this out. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 2: being hurt by this because they really got determined. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and they got to what were They concluded this has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even neighbors can hear it. The pounding is so loud,

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Speaker 1: so they go, it's someone inside. They go, you know

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Speaker 1: who it is. It's Terry Pomeraning, one of the suns.

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Speaker 3: M m m mmmm. They had two sons, ginger neutral name,

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Speaker 3: that's how you know Terry.

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Speaker 2: So they bring Terry in for questioning and they made

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Speaker 2: They made them take polygraphs, and they're like, we are

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Speaker 1: Seriously, what timeframe did this happen?

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Speaker 3: Again? Like around when nineteen seventy four, ninety seventy so

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Speaker 3: this was peak serial killer mind too. Yeah, the cops

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Speaker 2: Well, it is a small town, so I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much they had going on.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, this was.

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Speaker 3: Probably a big deal for them. It's probably huge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the phone was ringing. They're like,

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Speaker 2: what the hell else are we going to do? Probably,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we gonna kiss? Right, fellas, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: kiss each other?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't that'd be weird.

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Speaker 2: So at this point, Harry Pomeraning is getting pissed off

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Speaker 2: at these cops. He's like, seriously, you guys can't figure

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Speaker 2: this out. I guess we're gonna go to the next

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Speaker 2: best thing, which is the Catholic church, so they call

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Speaker 2: a priest in. They weren't even Catholic. Their pastor refused

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Speaker 2: if the word was starting to spread, chirps were going

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Speaker 2: around Meryl Michigan that this is an evil house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I wouldn't trust just any religion to do this.

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Speaker 3: It has to be a religion that has garb. You

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Speaker 3: and necklaces or whatever, if you're just some guy down

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you're not got out for this.

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Speaker 2: I need somebody that is not married that they dedicate

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I need a suspiciously single man to take care

442
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: of this problem.

443
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: In a dress, in a dress, a dazzled so he

444
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: blesses the house.

445
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: Shit gets worse.

446
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, The banging ghost says, oh you want

447
00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: to play that game?

448
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

449
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: Comes back the next night for a sequel, and it's

450
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: louder and more crazy. Now here's the thing that's real interesting.

451
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: One month before all this began, in nineteen seventy four,

452
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: this mysterious woman, it's heavily implied via reenactments that she

453
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: was dressed in all black, kind of goth looking girl.

454
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 3: So she's hot.

455
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: We got there, super hot goth lady. I don't know.

456
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: She comes by the house one day, she's just moved

457
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: in down across the street or something nearby, and she's like, hey,

458
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 2: I want to buy your house, and Harry Palmer Raning's like,

459
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: the fuck you are? I built this house in nineteen

460
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 2: fifty one. She's like, I want to buy your house

461
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, it's not happening. M And then

462
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 2: she's like, Okay, you're gonna regret that.

463
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 3: And then she disappeared in a puff of smoke.

464
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: Just about because she had told other neighbors that she

465
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: was a witch, people witnessed her outside dancing around like

466
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 2: she was worshiping the sun. She would gyrate around this

467
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: pit full of fire outside.

468
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

469
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: One day, the son Dwyane Palmerining, Oh, who was I

470
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: believe either a teenager or early twenties living at home,

471
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. One day he's coaxed into her home.

472
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't remember much, but somehow she's like come.

473
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: He goes into the house. He literally doesn't remember anything

474
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: except seeing candles around the house.

475
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say she probably didn't have to do

476
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: much if she popped one titty out.

477
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: For a teenage boy.

478
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could pop a single titty out and she

479
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: could just bag me the house. That's it.

480
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: Well, the crazy part is she gave him a haircut.

481
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, so she has the family's hair.

482
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: Now she's got some hair was I don't know if

483
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: she gave him a fade. I don't really know what

484
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: she did exactly, but she did a little super cuts

485
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: on it and now has his hair. He come home

486
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: and his brother says, okay, he was acting so weird,

487
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: drops to the ground, has a seizure. Oh wait, Dwayne

488
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: or Terry Dwyane, the one that just got a hair

489
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: cole Lord had the seizure, had a seizure. So it

490
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: is strongly believed that this woman was doing some kind

491
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: of dark magic that was affecting the house.

492
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: And they don't know this woman's name. They don't know

493
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: who she is or anything.

494
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: No, they did, I mean just a little bit. She

495
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: had just moved in right before all this started happening.

496
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: You know what would be crazy is like if we

497
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: find out what her name is and it's just something

498
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 3: totally normal. Like her name is like Lisa Fontoli.

499
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I started that documentary last night about

500
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: the Carlton HBO Max. I can't remember what's called. But

501
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: the girl's name was Sarah Carleton or something like that.

502
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were calling her God.

503
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: No, uh, Sarah Carlton is not God. Sarah Carlton works

504
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: it off as depot, you know what I mean. He's

505
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: not she's not. She's not immortal. She's just the.

506
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: Lady Vanessa Carleton. Different story, that's a goy.

507
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: So anyway, from below the house, they start feeling explosions.

508
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: Is all they can do to describe it. It's just

509
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: to the point where.

510
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: They're feeling lifted up from the ground, super loud. The

511
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: banging's continuing. An officer apparently was actually injured in a line.

512
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: Of duty after one of these reports.

513
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can actually google their m Live,

514
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: which is Michigan's main news source.

515
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: They have articles that have police reports.

516
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: In it, like actual photocopies of them or whatever, and

517
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

518
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

519
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: So the sons are starting to hear voices in the house,

520
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: including one that would say I'm.

521
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: Going to kill your family.

522
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: Mabel got attacked one day by a pillow. Oh no,

523
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: that tried to suffocate her.

524
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Okay. At first when you said pillow, I thought, oh,

525
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: that's not so bad, and then you said suffocate and

526
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: I hed to myself, oh that is it's actually very bad.

527
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and maybe still with us now they didn't

528
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: get her no, okay, ross keep going.

529
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So the cops accidentally gave the local press access

530
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: to the reports, which at this point, you know, there

531
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: was people were talking around the neighborhood, but the people

532
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: from the press would go into the police station every

533
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: day to be like, what he has got for us?

534
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: And this was like a private matter, and somehow they

535
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: accidentally got their hands on it and it became front

536
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: page news that this house keeps calling the cops every

537
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: night because they're hearing bangs and they think it's haunted. Yeah,

538
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: so of course people start driving up every single night.

539
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: There's like crowds outside. Everyone's like obsessed. And now that

540
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: the ghost there is like, okay, we.

541
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: Got an audience. It's time for me to step it up.

542
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: Okay, now we have a star on our hands.

543
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Wow, it's when the fires started.

544
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: Ooh, not virotechniques ras hi Row.

545
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Wow, So a paranormal investigator from Duke University's Cyclical Research

546
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: Foundation was actually called in by the cops. Again, these

547
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: cops were like, we need to not feel crazy right now.

548
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to validate us, so they call the man.

549
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: This paranormal investigator witnessed three spontaneous fires. Duane and Mabel

550
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: were home one day when a toilet paper roll burst

551
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: into flames.

552
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and we know for a fact that

553
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: was a ghost and not like Mabel trying to hide

554
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: the evidence after she did some horrible message, because I

555
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: would do the same thing if I was over someone's

556
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: house then I tore up the bathroom, I would light

557
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: it on fire. I'd say, oh my god, you guys,

558
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: it was crazy, you guys, it was crazy. How did

559
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: this happen? No, it was a ghost.

560
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say, like, after you have

561
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: those spicy had Cheetos toilet papers on fire?

562
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: You know. I was trying to think of what food

563
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: I could say that would be safe to say. I

564
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: was like, I can't say any cuisines. Yeah, and I

565
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: couldn't think of a snack fast enough. But I should

566
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: have said getos.

567
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. But I you know, I do

568
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: like that.

569
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: It's not one I've ever thought of, which is burn

570
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: the toilet paper and then say, you guys that think

571
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: it's a ghost.

572
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would blame it. I'd be like someone was

573
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: smoking marijuana cigarettes and they left it on the toilet roll,

574
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: shame on them. And I stopped it. I put the

575
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: fire out. Oh and they didn't flush and they didn't flow.

576
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: They're grow who could have done this? Oh?

577
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: Wait, I think you guys should leave and let me

578
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: have a little bit of time in here with the

579
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: ghost because I think it might be coming back.

580
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: And maybe and if you hear any like moaning or

581
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: shouting from the bathroom, it's the ghost for sure.

582
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Totally.

583
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: That goes gruns. Okay anyway, Yeah, we digress. So this

584
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: was witnessed by the paranormal investigator.

585
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: He saw the whole thing. And you know what's crazy.

586
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: There are reports out there that you could see, like

587
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: official reports from the fire inspector that says there is

588
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: no reasonable explanation for how this could have happened because

589
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: the fire came from within the toilet paper roll and

590
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: for the oxygen for it to expand the fire, it

591
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been possible.

592
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: They say, so pretty strange.

593
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, there was three fires, you know that I know

594
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: of at least, so much stuff happened. It seemed like

595
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: it was non stop and reports that I have read.

596
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: I didn't really get this from the documentaries I saw,

597
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: but from other research I was doing. The family left

598
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: after these fires because it was just too stressful, too scary,

599
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: and Harry and Mabel did.

600
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Pass not much after. It is really sad.

601
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: The sons are interviewed in these documentaries and they believe

602
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: that the stress of this just like took such a

603
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: toll on the parents that they passed young. But another

604
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: family had moved in and.

605
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 3: Wait, hold up, before we get the other family. Did

606
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: the pome Ringuitans did they build the house or yes,

607
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty one, So the ghosts came in from somewhere.

608
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Else or from the witch lady.

609
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: Oh the ghost is from the witch Okay, oh my gosh,

610
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: I thought she was just part of it. But from

611
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: the witch lady.

612
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: They think it is highly theorized. Let's go back.

613
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: They're living there for twenty years, which lady moves in,

614
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: she wants the house.

615
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: They say no. A month later, banging fires cops press.

616
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: So two of the the Pummer Pomeranings Palmaranings die that

617
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: was after they had already left the house. After they

618
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: had left the house. Yeah, yeah, but the stress. They

619
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: think the stress could have caused it. The suns.

620
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: They died, you know, young, relatively young. You know, they

621
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: died in the eighties, I believe. Yeah, So, you know

622
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: they think that the stress of this, because I mean

623
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: these people had like I don't know how long this

624
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: entire thing lasted. But if you have a couple of

625
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: years where you're not sleeping because there's banging on stop,

626
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: that's gonna take a toll.

627
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And believe me, I know in this

628
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: apartment building, who banging? There's banging on every floor us.

629
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Well, just to do a little summary of some of

630
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: the people that were called in on this case, Bell telephone,

631
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: the local and state police, the FAA, Wow, the US

632
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: Geological Survey brought seismographs.

633
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

634
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: The police brought in the paranormal expert, a different one

635
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 2: that used a Ouiji board and during a session they

636
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 2: saw a large knife get thrown across the kitchen.

637
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: Oh shut up.

638
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: If knives are flying and there's fire, this is very dangerous.

639
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm out.

640
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: I'm not staying. For a ghost to be able to

641
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: move stuff physically and like fire bend and stuff, that's

642
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: wild man.

643
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: Yes, so another family has lived there for over thirty

644
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: years now.

645
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

646
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: It seems like it was the same family this whole time.

647
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm from what I'm pretty sure of. Yeah, it's interesting

648
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: because I did find an article where they're like, not

649
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: much has happened, you know, a thing or two. The

650
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: witch woman did leave, so you know, is that related?

651
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. And both of these documentaries I watched,

652
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: they do current investigations and it seems like there is

653
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: something still going on at this house. But the family.

654
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: It seems like the ghost was really after that family.

655
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: So do you think that the witch lady maybe like

656
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: sick to demon on them or something. It just seems

657
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: like a very powerful, whatever it was.

658
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't even know, she wanted something in that house.

659
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: And one of these documentaries I ask a kind of

660
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: black magic witchcraft expert type person and she thinks it

661
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: sounds like the woman wanted to live in the one

662
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: place and have the other place be her office. You know,

663
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: she wanted the Palmeraning house to be where she conducted

664
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

665
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: Damn, I wish I could do this, start fires and

666
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: other people's houses to get them to move out so

667
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: I could move in, because it's hard out here in

668
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: La Man, it's hard.

669
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: Also, she must have had money. I don't know what

670
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: she did outside of her witchcraft. Yeah, maybe she got

671
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: her and she made a lot of money doing it.

672
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: I think all this could boil down to her being broke,

673
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: because why wouldn't you just buy a different house, you know.

674
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: I think she wanted both houses. Though she wanted her

675
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: house and this house.

676
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: There's got to be two houses somewhere else in that

677
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: entire state, do you know what I mean?

678
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: I know, who knows. Maybe she figured it out.

679
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: But anyway, the family that lives there now, they say

680
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: that they have seen a white, kind of glowing face

681
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: peeking into the window. Yeah, so that's the story of

682
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: the Michigan hell House.

683
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Do you believe it?

684
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: I think I believe it because they've got so much

685
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: official backing. You know, you mentioned the Geological Survey College.

686
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: People came down like a lot would I would believe

687
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: most of it. I do think some people tend to

688
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: believe whenever a woman is wearing a black dress, she

689
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: is evil, do you know what I mean? Like she

690
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: did it, you know, right, especially in the seventies, if

691
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: a single woman is wearing a black dress, they're just

692
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: gonna think she's evil regardless, you know, she didn't she

693
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: didn't have a husband at home. Yeah, she did this.

694
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, I will say with the one documentary I watch,

695
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: I believe it was someone called Michigan Hell House.

696
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: The witchcraft expert.

697
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: Was saying, like, based on what I'm hearing about this lady,

698
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: she doesn't sound like she was wickan. Yeah, Like, she

699
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like she was just witchy and maybe doing

700
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: some kind of ceremonies with the earth outside, because you know,

701
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: again they were seeing her dancing around outside. There were

702
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: reports of like seeing other people as if it was

703
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: a coven or something performing these ceremonies. So she was saying,

704
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: it sounds a lot like this woman was trying to

705
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: do some evil stuff. She also had three iron x's

706
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: on the outside of her house, which is believed to

707
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: be something that will ward off evil. So it's as

708
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: if she was like, oh.

709
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: I make evil, I don't bring it home with me.

710
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: So she was kind of she had her shield up.

711
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: Also, that's kind of sickening, like Triple X outside of

713
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: your house.

714
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, it's kind of hot. And her aesthetics seems

715
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: really put together, really well thought out. Whether she did

716
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: these things or not, I applaud her for being a

717
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: woman who gets things done, because in this day and age,

718
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: it's so easy to give up. Yeah, and she saw

719
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: it through. She cut that boy's hair what I'm hoping

720
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: is a bowl cut, and she used that hair to

721
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: purge these people from their own house, the house the

722
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: pomegranates built themselves. That's wild, rass. Imagine the power.

723
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: That is powerful. Now I'm terrified the next time I

724
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: get a haircut.

725
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna ask to keep it.

726
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want that. Yeah, I grew it, Give it

727
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: to me. That's mine.

728
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: Rtell, don't you let don't you let that twink sweep

729
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: that up?

730
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: Let's not go in ways? What's he gonna do with that?

731
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: Exactly? No, I'm gonna make a doll.

732
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of can I show you a haunted doll

733
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: on eBay? Oh my gosh, Yes, it's time for a

734
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: segment I like to call the dolls are living? Geeha,

735
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: can you throw up this doll for us. I would

736
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: like for you, Vinnie Thomas, to meet Benjamin.

737
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Benjamin doesn't look hanted. Shut up, Benjamin's not haunted. Benjamin's

738
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: just the little guy, Okay.

739
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: Benjamin is a teddy bear, not a scary looking one.

740
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: A lot of times we look at real scary looking ones.

741
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: I thought this was gonna be a porcelain girl with

742
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: like ratty hair, real real Cynthia type from Rugrats. This

743
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: is a whole other thing.

744
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: Right, But that's almost hack at this point, you know

745
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you gotta keep the people on

746
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: their toes. You know, people are expecting that girl to

747
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: be haunted that what they're not expecting is Benjamin. And

748
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: Benjamin looks like a build a bear chop kind of

749
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: a doll, just a regular old teddy bear. He has

750
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: a Christmas sweater on and a Christmas hat to the side.

751
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: But the thing with all of these dolls is that

752
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: they come with backstories.

753
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's the part that I like. So

754
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: this is Benjamin. It says, by the way, he's going

755
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: for eighteen dollars, so a little bit of a discount diva.

756
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: And if anybody wants to see what he looks like.

757
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: Just go to ghosted Biros on Instagram and I'll have

758
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: the picture there. Okay, So it says he is twenty

759
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: two years old and he passed away in a skiing accident.

760
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: He's loving a sweet guy, and he's gay and he

761
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: needs a good home. He worked at an animal shelter

762
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: and also he was involved in many animal rescues. He

763
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: also did fundraisers for the shelter and helped in any

764
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: other way he could. He is an advocate against animal

765
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: abuse and has attended many rallies and gave speed. He

766
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: also loves cooking and baking and often would bake cookies

767
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: and other goodies to bring to work for everyone. He

768
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: also made homemade dog treats. He was still learning how

769
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: to ski when he his boyfriend and some of their friends.

770
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: Went to a skiing trip.

771
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: He had met a nice guy and they had been

772
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: dating for about seven months, and he had planned on

773
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: asking him to marry him on his birthday and he

774
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: had it all set up to do so. He is

775
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: sad that his life got cut short and didn't have

776
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: the chance to get married. Benjamin is very friendly, nice

777
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: and kind. He sometimes flickers our lights and opens and

778
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: shuts doors. At times, we smell cookies or other goodies baking,

779
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: although we're not making anything. He also sometimes turns on

780
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: our TV, and he has knocked on our doors, walls,

781
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: in windows, and sometimes makes other noises. He is ready

782
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: for a new home. Can you help him?

783
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Eighteen dollars?

784
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: I'm a little perplexed. Were you also a little perplexed?

785
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: When they say Benjamin died? Are they describing the person

786
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: whose soul was grafted onto this bear?

787
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, now this is old for me, but I understand

788
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: some people. Some people aren't deep into the eBay haunted

789
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: doll world as I am.

790
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Some people everyone but me. So it is believed.

791
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: I think that when you die, you either get heaven,

792
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: how nothing, or a doll that.

793
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Gets sold on eBay.

794
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: That's what you get to choose. Those are your four options.

795
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's toy story. I don't know

796
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: what it is, but it's believed by these people that

797
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: sell these on eBay. And there are thousands at a

798
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: time that somebody has died and somehow, some way ended

799
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: up inside of a doll.

800
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: And how do their stories get to like do they

801
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: write them in the fog on the bathroom mirror.

802
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes oh really, okay, got you? That's one way

803
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: that tracks.

804
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: So there's a little gay, there's a gay, there's a

805
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: gay man. There's a young gay man, yes, trapped inside

806
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: of this bear.

807
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's trapped, you know, maybe it

808
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: was his choice. I'm not sure, but either way, he

809
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: has somehow ended up in this bear. He misses his

810
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: possible fiance, and he likes cooking.

811
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: And is that and that's enough for you to want

812
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 3: to buy it? No?

813
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't want this in my house.

814
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 3: So it doesn't meet the criteria for like the standards

815
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: you would would you ever buy a hundred dollars? No?

816
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: No, I would never buy any of these. But I'm

817
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: fascinated by them. And if you would like, I have

818
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: access to eighteen dollars. I could send you Benjamin. I mean, listen,

819
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: he likes animals. You like animals.

820
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: No, I don't want Benjamin up in my house. I

821
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 3: don't want because you know what died in a skiing trip. Mary,

822
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 3: we know what that means.

823
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Cocaine? I don't want.

824
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: What I'm waiting for is somebody that listens to my

825
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: show to be like my friend Benjamin died in a

826
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: skiing accident, and like to ski is.

827
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: Is this Benjamin? Look, it couldn't be the same Benjamin.

828
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: That hasn't happened yet.

829
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: It hasn't happened yet, but I'm waiting for that. That

830
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: is my dream, I think.

831
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: Look, first of all, I don't know if I would

832
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: clock this bear as a gay bear up top. The

833
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: only thing that's maybe giving a little bit gay is

834
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: the fact that his little beanie cap is cocked off

835
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: to the side.

836
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: Christmas is kind of gay. It's pretty good.

837
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: I guess Christmas is gay, but I feel like they

838
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: are gayer holidays, Like I don't know, Easter. He could

839
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: have been in little pants, little zoot suit. I don't know.

840
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: I mean Christmas is pretty gay.

841
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yea yeah. If I were to get this,

842
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: if I would to purchase this, I would put it

843
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: probably in a jar, and I would fill the jar

844
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: with like some kind of liquid, do you know what

845
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 3: I mean?

846
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: Poppers?

847
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: Poppers, And I would fill the jar with poppers and

848
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: he would never leave. He would float around in there

849
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: and he'd have the time of his life and he'd

850
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: be rock hard for eternity. And that's it. You know,

851
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: and we're gonna give him the send off that he

852
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: wants and that he deserves. You know what I might do,

853
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: Roz is, I might go to build a bear workshop

854
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: and they would hate this, but I put together a

855
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: little leather daddy bear. I'd go and find some little

856
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: shraps and stuff, and I just sit him together in

857
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: the poppers jar and then that's it. He'd be happy.

858
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: He wouldn't bother me, he wouldn't tap on the walls

859
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: or anything. Be a roommate.

860
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: Oh that's cute, I think.

861
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: So all right, send me your address in the chat

862
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: and we'll make this happen.

863
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. That was all a bit. Don't

864
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: send me this bear.

865
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Okay? You want to hear some ghost voices? Yes, it's

866
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: time for.

867
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: EVP or ev plicse.

868
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the term EVP?

869
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: No? What is EVP?

870
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: EVP is electronic voice phenomenon. So when people go ghost hunting,

871
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: they capture a ghost speaking on any kind of audio

872
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: equipment doesn't really matter as long as the ghost speaking.

873
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: I like to find some of these that people post

874
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: on YouTube, TikTok wherever, and I'm gonna play you two

875
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: of them and I want you to tell me what

876
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: you hear, and then I'll give you some options, one

877
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: of them being what the ghost hunter believes the ghost

878
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: to say.

879
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: All right, this first.

880
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Speaker 2: One comes from c CPR on YouTube and they found

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Speaker 2: this at the Miramont Castle.

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Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying? I'll play it again.

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Speaker 3: That ghost is saying, I just want a cola.

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Speaker 1: I just want a cola.

885
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: He just wants a cola. He's got unfinished business, and

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Speaker 3: his unfinished business is that he wants a nice, ice cold,

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Speaker 3: fizzy drink to send him on his way. He just

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Speaker 3: wants a cola. And problem is is I feel like

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Speaker 3: we have a lot of people who are not active listeners.

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Speaker 1: To the skos you mean, or to my podcast, to both.

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid we need more on both fronts. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think people are listening to this ghost. He clearly

893
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Speaker 3: just wants a cola. I don't think it's ambiguous at all.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think that's exactly what he said.

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Speaker 2: Let me hear again, Okay, I kind of hear. I

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Speaker 2: just want Jenko's you know those big jeans, Janko's Jingo jeans. Yes, okay,

897
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Speaker 2: here's some options. Is it a jingle? Jangle? Is it

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Speaker 2: B check off? Is it C Let's go I'm getting cold?

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Speaker 2: Or D you've got kang goles?

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Speaker 3: Ooh shame, dear shady.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's play it again. It's one of those.

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Speaker 3: What was the third one?

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Speaker 1: Let's go, I'm getting cold.

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Speaker 3: No, it's cankles.

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Speaker 1: They believe that it is check off.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, no, because it sounds like he has

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Speaker 2: an American accent and not check off like check off,

908
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: like it's check off.

909
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Speaker 3: Oh you mean check off. I watched too much Star Trek.

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Speaker 3: That's my problem.

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Speaker 1: It's either they thought it was check off or uck off.

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Speaker 3: No, everyone wants ghost to swear. I don't think he

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Speaker 3: was swearing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let me play it again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, I hear check off. Wait a second, where's

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Speaker 1: the Mirramont Castle. I should have said this already. H second,

918
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Speaker 1: we're googling, and we're googling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this was at the mirror Mount Castle and Manitou Springs, Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Oh so he's cold manitud Spring's chili, so he is calm? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: check off.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear another one. This one is from Arkansas

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Speaker 2: Valley Ghost Hunters and it was also in Colorado. It

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Speaker 2: was taken at the Fox Theater, which is in La Junta.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Colorado is very spooky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Uh, what's that airport in Denver? Don't

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Speaker 1: get me started.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can talk about the airport for

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Speaker 3: four hours.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me started. I won't thank you.

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Speaker 3: What does sound? Damn?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: What is this ghost saying? Okay, there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of crash boom banging, but it's a whisper. Yeah, let

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Speaker 2: me hear again.

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Speaker 3: I heard I have to tell you something. But she

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Speaker 3: says it in like it's a whisper, but it's in

938
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Speaker 3: kind of like a.

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Speaker 4: Kind of like a New York dame, like I gotta

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Speaker 4: tell you something. Oh missed the president, like almost like Monroe,

941
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Speaker 4: but not quite you know, I gotta tell you something,

942
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Speaker 4: mister president.

943
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Speaker 3: And that's what she's saying. Okay, um, it's close.

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Speaker 2: That's not what the Arkansas Valley ghost hunters heard.

945
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, there are simple people in Arkansas say that.

946
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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

947
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Speaker 2: Is it a a natty in siggs? That's my diet,

948
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Speaker 2: you know, a natty like a natural ice or a

949
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Speaker 2: natural light.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like a natty in SIGs. It's my diet.

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Speaker 1: Is it b I'm panicking, Please be nice?

952
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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Is it c my daddy? It said, we have to hide?

954
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Speaker 1: What or d my man? He is fit? He likes

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Speaker 1: to bike?

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's the first one. I'll say. The second one

957
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Speaker 3: and the third one are nuts? Those Those sound like

958
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Speaker 3: poetry that you make from fridge magnets. Like, I don't

959
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Speaker 3: know what the Arkansas people are thinking. That didn't make

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Speaker 3: any sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Well, they believe it was. See my daddy, it said,

962
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Speaker 2: we have to hide.

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Speaker 3: My daddy it said, we have to hide.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it again.

965
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Speaker 3: Oh, brother, I hear it. Shut up. I swear to

966
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Speaker 3: God if you think she said my daddy, it said,

967
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Speaker 3: what does my daddy? It said, even mean.

968
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Speaker 2: She's talking about how her daddy said pennywise the clown

969
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: also known as it it told her that they had

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Speaker 2: to hide. Now listen, my daddy, it said, we have

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00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: to hide.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard anything more clear.

973
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Speaker 3: Here's what I could hear. I could maybe hear my

974
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: dad hit his head, we have to hide, which makes

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00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 3: more sense.

976
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh so the dad hit the head.

977
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Speaker 3: And she's telling someone else. Okay, she's not referring to

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Speaker 3: her daddy as my daddy. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're saying, you, guys, my dad just hit

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00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: his head. He's about to be pissed off. We have

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Speaker 2: to hide.

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00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: I mean, like maybe someone else is coming to get

983
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: her and her family and they knocked her dad out. Like,

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00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened at the Fox Theater. I'm

986
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Speaker 2: no detective, but someone needs to check in on that

987
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: little girl. Yeah, okay, well we're gonna wrap this this

988
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: little seance up.

989
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: Let's just see one thing real quick while I got chucked.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just gonna throw out some different paranormal stuff

991
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: and let me know if you have any thoughts or

992
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Speaker 2: maybe a story or anything comes up.

993
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: We'll just see great psychics. What do you think?

994
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: Oh? I think psychics are good if they're very expensive. Mm,

995
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: if they're cheap, Like, I don't know if I trust

996
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: a ten dollars psychic because that's a cheap vision. I

997
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: feel like a vision's got to be very expense. I

998
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Speaker 3: haven't spent money on a psychic. I don't know if

999
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: I ever would, but if I did, it would be

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00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: expensive and it would be one that you have to

1001
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 3: hear about from someone else, not when you just see

1002
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 3: on the street with a sign right right.

1003
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: You know, I've I've heard people talk about this stuff

1004
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: a lot, and I'm sorry because I know that people

1005
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: that listen to the show, a lot of people are

1006
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: different thoughts about all this stuff, and that's that's what's

1007
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: so beautiful about us all having different thoughts. But to me,

1008
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna shame anyone for knowing they're worth and

1009
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: saying this is how much I want to charge. And

1010
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: some psychics are expensive, and I don't see any shame

1011
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: in that because listen, you.

1012
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: Don't have to pay for it.

1013
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: No, you don't.

1014
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: If that's what that person wants to charge. First of all,

1015
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: they're probably booked and busy exactly. Also, you know, if

1016
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Speaker 2: you're going to use their time, which is very busy,

1017
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Speaker 2: it's going to have to cost a lot of money.

1018
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: I don't fault any psychic for charging as much as

1019
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: they want. They can do whatever they want. There's a

1020
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: lot of psychics.

1021
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: Find one in your price range, and you're very brave

1022
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: for saying that, save up for it.

1023
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it should be a treat.

1024
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, or don't don't do it. But I

1025
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: don't believe in shaming anyone for saying this is how

1026
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: much I believe what I do is worth.

1027
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: In that regard, we differ. I do think it's shameful,

1028
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 3: but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I

1029
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: don't think it should illegal, you know anyway, I mean, what.

1030
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: Do you think of kryptids?

1031
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: Oh?

1032
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 2: How much should they charge for an appearance? For an appearance,

1033
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: Bigfoot could charge top dollar. Bigfoot, first of all a model.

1034
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: When Bigfoot move and Bigfoot just freezes like it's nothing,

1035
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: kicks that little shoulder up, kicks that legout forward, and

1036
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: gets the perfect picture every time pops the head. Bigfoot

1037
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: is more iconic to me as a silhouette. Yeah, than

1038
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: any of the girls. Bigfoot is more iconic than Naomi Campbell,

1039
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Heidi Klum, all of them.

1040
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: Right, it's Bigfoot. You know, you can't recognize Tyro from

1041
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: a silhouette. You could recognize Bigfoot from a silhouette, and

1042
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 3: that's iconic.

1043
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: But here's what I will say about that. Yeah, those

1044
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: other girls were brave enough to take thousands of photos.

1045
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 2: Bigfoot gave the girls one and said this is it.

1046
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit easier to get.

1047
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: To icon status.

1048
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: If there's only one photo, you're never seeing the bad

1049
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: You're never seeing a bad day.

1050
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you're right, And I will say, however,

1051
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: Devil's advocate, Bigfoot, left people wanting more Tyra there you go,

1052
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: oversaturated the market and was shaving women bald for no

1053
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: reason on that little show of hers.

1054
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: What was she doing with that hair?

1055
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: And what was she doing with that hair? Tyra was

1056
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: the woman. Tyro was the woman. What other cryptids make

1057
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: good models? I'd say lochness NeSSI she's pretty sexy.

1058
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Jacalobes jackalobe.

1059
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: No one talks about jacolobes enough.

1060
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Jacoalobes is jackalope a cryptid.

1061
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: Roz Yeah, jacolobes are crypted.

1062
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: Tell me about jackalobes.

1063
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: A jacalobe is a mixture of a prong horn antelope

1064
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 3: and a jack rabbit. And it's like a big giant

1065
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 3: jack rabbit with two horns on its head, two prong horns.

1066
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Speaker 1: Those aren't real? No oh, I thought that was real.

1067
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 2: That's where it's a fine line. It's always a fine line.

1068
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: Is this just an animal that we don't see very much?

1069
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Speaker 2: Or is this a magical creature?

1070
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people thought they were real

1071
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: because people would taxidermium together a lot in the West,

1072
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: you know, and sell them.

1073
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay, sort of how they do like mermaids

1074
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: and different hybrids.

1075
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did you see though, They used to have

1076
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Speaker 3: those in the Ripley Museum, the half monkey, half fish.

1077
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: The Fiji mermaids. Yeah, okay. What about synchronicities. Are you

1078
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: the kind of person you go, oh, that was just

1079
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: a coincidence, or do you go, oh, that means something.

1080
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: I think I'm the kind of person who says, oh

1081
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: that means something, and then I immediately dismiss it.

1082
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I think.

1083
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: Everyone's that kind of person, right, They're like, this is

1084
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: kind of wait, no, that's dumb, and then I move

1085
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Speaker 3: on with my day. I don't know. I guess it

1086
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Speaker 3: depends on the thing. What's a big Do you have

1087
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Speaker 3: any syncreticities that come to mind when you think of a.

1088
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a lot of moments like, okay, my

1089
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: best friend and I so many times will be like, well,

1090
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Speaker 2: text each other right when we were both about to

1091
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: text each other m hm, and we're always just and

1092
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Speaker 2: it'll be like the same thing that we both wanted

1093
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: to say completely ran or whatever, and that's where like

1094
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Speaker 2: it's because we have a connection, we're supposed to be

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Speaker 2: in each other's lives.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's a good one. I have that

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Speaker 3: experience with a lot of people too. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I don't know if I think it's supernatural. I

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Speaker 3: think it's like you just put two primates in a

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Speaker 3: room for long enough and they're gonna start to act

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Speaker 3: like each other. So I'm sorry, Ross, am I hearts

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Speaker 3: in the vibes?

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Speaker 1: No? No, okay? What do you think last one?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Great?

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Speaker 1: What about Ouiji boards? Have you ever played one?

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Speaker 3: No? Those were absolutely forbidden in our house.

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up with religion or what I would say?

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00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up with religion, just kind of your

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00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: plain old Christians. Okay, but Ouiji boards were not permitted.

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Speaker 3: My grandmother's from Italy, so my mom carried over some

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Speaker 3: latent like old world superstitions.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, tell me about it. I love superstitions.

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Speaker 3: Well, my grandmother like she this is the first nick

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Speaker 3: I've ever had. I always kept reptiles since I was

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Speaker 3: very young, but I was never allowed to have a

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00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: snat because my grandmother believed that a snake chased her

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Speaker 3: home from school once like a mile.

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Speaker 1: I believe that. Believe that really?

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Speaker 3: Ros you believe an animal with no legs chased her for

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Speaker 3: a mile? It's nuts.

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Speaker 1: What they don't have to have legs. I've seen those things.

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Speaker 3: They squirm, That's true, they do squirm, But I think

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Speaker 3: and she associates snakes with like symbols of evil, and

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Speaker 3: she like, will not enter anyone's house if there's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, a snake in it and it's you know,

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Speaker 3: stuff like that, any symbol of the devil or like anything.

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Speaker 3: Just superstition, superstition, superstition. But Ouiji boards were one of

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Speaker 3: those things where it's like my mom couldn't tell you

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Speaker 3: exactly what she thought was wrong with it, but she

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Speaker 3: knew it was bad to have one because it felt

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Speaker 3: like demonic or whatever. Are you asking me if they work?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I'm just wondering if you ever

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Speaker 1: what your thoughts are if you've ever used one.

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Speaker 3: No, I've never used one, and maybe I should. I

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Speaker 3: still have time. I'm pretty young. I could use a

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00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: Wigi board. Still, yeah you should. Why not do you

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Speaker 3: have a Oigi board?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't let anything in my house whatsoever. The only

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Speaker 2: way I would do is if it was in a

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: case like your snake.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, see I'm obsessed with this. Yeah, you should

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00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 3: use a Wigi board. As for me personally, I would never.

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Speaker 3: I would never touch it. I wouldn't associate with it. It's terrifying.

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00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: Now there's a big difference for me. Like my work

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00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: I do somewhere else. I don't bring it home with me.

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 3: Would you get a business Wigi board? Would you get

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00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: like a Oigi typewriter or something so that way you

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00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: knew the ghost you were contacting was a professional, right.

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00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: I've used them in recent times, like doing these investigations,

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00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: but I don't keep them.

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: I don't keep it around now.

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00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: Okay I would I would contact a ghost for networking

1154
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: purposes if I knew it would further my career.

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00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: Oh of course.

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00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. All right.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Hey Vinny, thanks for joining me. This is such

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00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: a fun insight into you.

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00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want people to find you? Tell us

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00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: about it?

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00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: That's an excellent question. You guys can follow me on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: TikTok and Twitter at v I n N underscore a

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Speaker 3: y y that's at v I N n Underscore.

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Speaker 1: Ay y, don't you have a movie.

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00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, tee. I'm also in I'm in an Apple

1167
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: TV Plus series called Platonic and there will be a

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00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: movie coming out next year sometime, so keep an eye

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Speaker 3: out for that.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, missus Gucciera is going to have her own guest

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Speaker 2: house soon one.

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Speaker 1: Of these days.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, can you imagine I buy her a

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00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 3: little Spanish colonial style mansion.

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00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's terrifying for.

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Speaker 3: Me, and I just put a snake in it, locked

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Speaker 3: the door.

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00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: That's my showing up to an Airbnb and finding that.

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Speaker 3: No sad things ross come on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, Thank you so much. I don't

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Speaker 2: see the snake in that cage. You should be terrified.

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Speaker 3: You don't.

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: She's gone. Thank you so much. To Vinnie Tamas, seriously

1184
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Speaker 2: go follow me. He's hilarious and follow me too, you

1185
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: know why not?

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Speaker 1: Guys, I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you.

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Speaker 5: To haunt me, don't haunt me, kay By.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share

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Speaker 2: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out

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Speaker 2: loud and sometimes I'll even call you so email me

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Speaker 2: on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior

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Speaker 2: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed

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Speaker 2: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine

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Speaker 2: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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