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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Daron, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Back to the latest edition of the Book of Joe

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Speaker 1: with me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden, and we are

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Speaker 1: getting deep into the playoffs. Joe, we've gone through the

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Speaker 1: Wildcard Series. We're going to set up the league Division

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Speaker 1: Series in both the National League and the American League.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Joe, so far the Wildcard Round,

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Speaker 1: I hope we get a whole postseason like this that

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Speaker 1: was just fabulous. Virtually every game, if not everyone was

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Speaker 1: in doubt until the end, all very totly played games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, the average run scoring per team per

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Speaker 1: game of the Wildcard Round is just three three runs

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Speaker 1: per game. That's all you get. We'll see if that changes.

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Speaker 1: But give me first of all your impressions heading into

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Speaker 1: this LDS and what we've seen so far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of happened with us with the Cubs two.

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Speaker 3: We'd get to that point of the year and sometimes

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Speaker 3: the runs would go away. Even just a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago, there was a greater accent on starting pitching

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Speaker 3: But every team's got them, and that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: And from that perspective, and I was just listening yesterday,

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Speaker 3: there's so many days off during this next round for

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Speaker 3: was it the America League team? Yes, yeah, And so

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Speaker 3: these guys can just absolutely roll out relief picture after

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Speaker 3: that's not going to change. And with that, you're probably

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Speaker 3: going to see some more low scoring games on that side,

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Speaker 3: just because of the fact you're going to get pressure

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Speaker 3: years ago we talked about this too, there was a

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Speaker 3: higher number of breaking balls thrown in the postseason. The

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Speaker 3: Cubbies had a hard time with the breaking ball in

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Speaker 3: the postseason. I don't know what the mix looks like

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Speaker 3: right now, but all this stuff is really understandable. The

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Speaker 3: say pressing, but guys are trying so hard and if

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Speaker 3: you don't have the good start, it's a limited series.

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Speaker 3: There's all kinds of crazy things that run through your mind.

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Speaker 3: So it's just basically the team that could really stay

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Speaker 3: with their DNA how they got there pretty much breathe

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Speaker 3: out there, just go out there and breathe and play

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Speaker 3: your same game, which I really encourage these guys to

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Speaker 3: do it. I don't try to do anything differently more

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Speaker 3: or less. Just play your game, and we're able to

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Speaker 3: do that. If you're good, if you're better than the

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Speaker 3: other team in roally gonna come out on top. Five

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Speaker 3: game series, a little bit better. Seven game series always

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Speaker 3: the best, I think, to really indicate who the better

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Speaker 3: team was. But very interesting. I agree with you. I've

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Speaker 3: been watching a lot and before we go on, I

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Speaker 3: just one day I didn't realize I haven't watched Detroit enough,

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Speaker 3: but those arms out of their bullpen are pretty spectacular.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that. I didn't know that. And I'm

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Speaker 3: watching that and the kid Jove that they really were praising.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching him and all he do was throws, cutters

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about each of the series

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Speaker 1: coming up, and certainly that is a managerial chess man

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Speaker 1: in that series between Detroit and Cleveland, because both aj

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Speaker 1: so a lot of pitching changes there. But Joe, let's

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Speaker 1: the La Dodgers in San Diego Padres. Obviously division rivals,

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Speaker 1: the season series the Dodgers being the higher seed, they

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Speaker 1: do have the home field advantage. First of all, the headliner,

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Speaker 1: about if you're managing against the Dodgers and Show Hey.

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Speaker 1: And I know, Joe, you were famous as a manager

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Speaker 3: But you're still going to feel better about it, I think. So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on board with that for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Mooky Bets, by the way, basically is platoon neutral. There's

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Speaker 1: Now he hits left handers, don't get me wrong, but

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Speaker 1: Joe show Hey. Otani, other than Nick Ahmed, who's on

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Speaker 1: He's waited seven years for this moment. And if you think, well,

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Speaker 1: This guy has proven time and time again that he

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Speaker 3: He lives pressure every day, That's what his life is,

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Speaker 3: Really two good teams. And I do think the Padres,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, And as I said, they matched

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Speaker 1: in some ways, Joe I like their roster better. First

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Speaker 1: They're the best team in baseball at putting the ball

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Speaker 1: Now, personally, Joe, I think it's a junk stat I

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Speaker 1: his actual numbers. What I do like about it, Joe,

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Speaker 1: is having Aaron Nola sitting there in Game three on

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Speaker 1: the road at City Field. I mean, that guy's got

433
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Speaker 1: ice in his veins. We know he's pitched a ton

434
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Speaker 1: of the postseason most you know, every big spot you

435
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Speaker 1: could imagine.

436
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Speaker 2: And it reminds me of what Joe Torre used to

437
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Speaker 2: always say.

438
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Speaker 1: He always think that Game three was the big swing game,

439
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Speaker 1: and you know in a seven game series. He had

440
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Speaker 1: David Cohene, a veteran, lined up in ninety six for

441
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Speaker 1: Game three in Atlanta on the road, and it turned

442
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Speaker 1: out they got smoked the first two games at Yankee Stadium,

443
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Speaker 1: and he had the right guy of the Mount. I

444
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Speaker 1: think Aaron Nola is the right guy of the Mount

445
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Speaker 1: to handle the atmosphere at City Field. That's going to

446
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Speaker 1: be absolutely crazy. So for whatever reason, I do like

447
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Speaker 1: the way the rotation was set up. You had to

448
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Speaker 1: give the ball to Sanchez over range of Suarez, who

449
00:21:04,958 --> 00:21:08,358
Speaker 1: has not been very good lately. We'll see where they

450
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Speaker 1: proceed after Game three. But tell me what the path

451
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Speaker 1: is here for the New York Mets to take this series.

452
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Speaker 1: Because Philadelphia has been one of the better, if not

453
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Speaker 1: the best teams in the National League all year, we

454
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Speaker 1: know all about their playoff experience. They actually have the

455
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Speaker 1: best home record. Their record at Citizens Bank Park is

456
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Speaker 1: the best of any home team in the history of

457
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, even though Arizona went in there and took

458
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Speaker 1: to last year. I understand that, but overall, that's a

459
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Speaker 1: difficult place to play. Give me a path for the

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Speaker 1: Mets to win this series.

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Speaker 3: First, just before you get to that point, the last

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Speaker 3: point about the room home road splits. Also look at

463
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Speaker 3: the picture and who we pitched against that home and

464
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Speaker 3: who we pitched that on the road. I mean, was

465
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Speaker 3: it a more difficult group at home as a post

466
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Speaker 3: on road? I would want to know that also. That's

467
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Speaker 3: a big part of my evaluation path. Well, I first

468
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Speaker 3: of all, I would throw that that home road split

469
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Speaker 3: away when it come through the playoffs. I really would.

470
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Speaker 3: Right now, the Mets don't care. They don't care. They

471
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Speaker 3: are absolutely fearless and they're going to go out there.

472
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Speaker 3: They're going to play their game. They're not going to

473
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Speaker 3: worry about making mistakes. They're not going to worry about

474
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Speaker 3: who they're playing, where they're playing, how loud it is, whatever,

475
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Speaker 3: They're not going to worry. I really like their fearlessness.

476
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Speaker 3: I've talked about this with you before, and so the

477
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Speaker 3: path is just keep playing the same game they're playing.

478
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Speaker 3: I I like what they're doing. I I you know,

479
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Speaker 3: I really was talking to somebody yesterday that the winner

480
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Speaker 3: of the Bruer Met game is going to advance a

481
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Speaker 3: little bit more deeply into this playoff situation. So right

482
00:22:41,918 --> 00:22:44,078
Speaker 3: now they're just, uh, they don't care who they're playing.

483
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Speaker 3: The path is they got to they got to get

484
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Speaker 3: their good starting pitching obviously, and I you know, I

485
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Speaker 3: they're okay, They're okay to starting pitching situation. I like

486
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Speaker 3: what they're what they have and how they're doing it.

487
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Speaker 3: They're bullpen still tenuous at the end. I'm not convinced

488
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Speaker 3: on any of those guys at the end of exact

489
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Speaker 3: I like Diaz's arm, but that's the part that would

490
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Speaker 3: scare me more than anything. But then I keep hearing

491
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Speaker 3: about how great the Phillies bullpen is and I like

492
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Speaker 3: the names whatever, but Chaves has been just okay. I

493
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Speaker 3: mean I watch him and there's a mistake in there

494
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Speaker 3: to be made and they could come back and bite them.

495
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Speaker 3: So I know, on paper, the Phillies better bullpen the

496
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Speaker 3: Mets on paper not as good. I get that. But

497
00:23:30,638 --> 00:23:33,198
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, this energy that they got going

498
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Speaker 3: on right now, and you said, like last year the

499
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Speaker 3: Phillies with the Diamondbacks that surprised all of us, really

500
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Speaker 3: surprised me. I love the Phillies grit. I love everything

501
00:23:41,318 --> 00:23:43,718
Speaker 3: about him, but right now their grit's being matched by

502
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Speaker 3: another group. So I like the momentum of the Mets

503
00:23:46,878 --> 00:23:48,638
Speaker 3: right now, and I think their path is just to

504
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Speaker 3: be fearless like they've been and just play the game

505
00:23:51,478 --> 00:23:53,838
Speaker 3: of baseball the way they have and I think they're

506
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Speaker 3: going to win this series.

507
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Speaker 1: The Phillies are a really tight knit group right then.

508
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Speaker 1: Most part that corp has been together for years.

509
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Speaker 2: During the season, these guys are always.

510
00:24:01,878 --> 00:24:04,238
Speaker 1: Having group outings. They go over to one another's house

511
00:24:04,238 --> 00:24:06,198
Speaker 1: when they're on the road. If they're in Florida, you know,

512
00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:10,758
Speaker 1: they're playing golf together. Jose Alvarado, the relief pitcher, has

513
00:24:10,798 --> 00:24:12,638
Speaker 1: board game night with the other relief pitchers.

514
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Speaker 2: It's a really tight group.

515
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Speaker 1: So the other day before Game three of the Wildcard

516
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Speaker 1: Series at Milwaukee, they had a cookout at Nick Castiganos's house.

517
00:24:20,638 --> 00:24:22,998
Speaker 1: They're all in there. I'm telling you this is not overrated.

518
00:24:23,038 --> 00:24:25,358
Speaker 1: How tight that team is. It matters in big moments.

519
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Speaker 1: And you know that, Joe, and you had that with

520
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Speaker 1: a couple of your teams. But they're watching the game,

521
00:24:30,958 --> 00:24:33,438
Speaker 1: and like the rest of us, you had to be thinking.

522
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Speaker 1: In the ninth ending with Devin Williams on the mound,

523
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Speaker 1: they're playing the Brewers and then all of a sudden,

524
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Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo hits a home run by the way, the

525
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Speaker 1: first opposite field home run off a changeup in his

526
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Speaker 1: entire career, the biggest moment of his career sends the

527
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Speaker 1: Mets on as j t rul Muta said, usually when

528
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Speaker 1: we get together, we don't watch baseball. This was the

529
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Speaker 1: first time we actually watched baseball. They would never admit this, Joe,

530
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Speaker 1: but they they're worse off playing this Mets team because

531
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Speaker 1: the Mets know them so well. They're not timidated. You said,

532
00:25:06,078 --> 00:25:10,438
Speaker 1: it's a fearless team, and they're rolling right now. And

533
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Speaker 1: now it turns out that in Game one they have

534
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Speaker 1: to face Kodeai Senga. Now a lot of people say,

535
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Speaker 1: why are the Bets pitching Senga. He's thrown five and

536
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Speaker 1: a half, five and the third innings. All year, he's

537
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Speaker 1: been on the iel trying to rehab the calf. He

538
00:25:22,558 --> 00:25:25,438
Speaker 1: has not even pitched a SIM game. He's pitched the

539
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Speaker 1: live hitters in Florida minor league hitters. He calls up

540
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Speaker 1: the manager and he says, I'm good to go. And Joe,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, as a manager, if the best pitcher on

542
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Speaker 1: your pitching staff says I'm good to go, you're starting him.

543
00:25:37,678 --> 00:25:40,918
Speaker 1: There's nobody else you have to talk to. And he

544
00:25:41,238 --> 00:25:44,918
Speaker 1: is a guy with wipeout stuff, and listen, I'm not

545
00:25:44,998 --> 00:25:48,438
Speaker 1: worried about him Senga. If again, he knows himself so well,

546
00:25:48,838 --> 00:25:50,798
Speaker 1: he's going to go to the mound with pure stuff.

547
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Speaker 1: That makes this rotation even better. I think in the

548
00:25:53,918 --> 00:25:56,878
Speaker 1: last few days things have not broken the right way

549
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Speaker 1: for the Phillies.

550
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Speaker 3: Talking about the closeness of the Phillies, my bud was Glaciers.

551
00:26:04,358 --> 00:26:06,478
Speaker 3: He's made a huge difference since he's walked in the

552
00:26:06,518 --> 00:26:11,558
Speaker 3: door there, and again you cannot underestimate enthusiasm and energy.

553
00:26:11,598 --> 00:26:14,878
Speaker 3: You cannot, and it's become very contagious. And I think

554
00:26:14,918 --> 00:26:16,958
Speaker 3: he's brought a level of that to this group, the

555
00:26:16,998 --> 00:26:20,638
Speaker 3: oh my god component to it, And like you just mentioned,

556
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Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in that kind of stuff. So

557
00:26:22,918 --> 00:26:27,558
Speaker 3: for right now, in a limited sample size, a trend,

558
00:26:27,598 --> 00:26:31,878
Speaker 3: but it definitely can create a forest fire that cannot

559
00:26:31,918 --> 00:26:34,558
Speaker 3: be underestimated. I think he's had a wonderful impact on

560
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Speaker 3: the door. I think Lindor obviously, the level he's playing

561
00:26:38,758 --> 00:26:40,398
Speaker 3: at right now is as good as I've seen him.

562
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Speaker 3: That's why I did not want to pitch to him

563
00:26:42,278 --> 00:26:44,278
Speaker 3: in the twenty sixteen World Series because this is what

564
00:26:44,358 --> 00:26:48,678
Speaker 3: he looked like then. So you got this energy build up,

565
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Speaker 3: and I think that they've galvanized at the point. I

566
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Speaker 3: don't know they have all the dinners and everything else,

567
00:26:54,838 --> 00:26:58,758
Speaker 3: but I just I see it with these guys. I

568
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Speaker 3: like Bientos a lot as an example. This kid came

569
00:27:03,158 --> 00:27:06,398
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. This what he's doing right there, Alonso,

570
00:27:06,438 --> 00:27:11,398
Speaker 3: If that really stokes his confidence a little bit, heads up, Yeah,

571
00:27:11,478 --> 00:27:17,158
Speaker 3: I think that they've really caught up in regards to galvanization.

572
00:27:17,518 --> 00:27:20,518
Speaker 3: Together in his closest, and I think Iglesias has had

573
00:27:20,558 --> 00:27:22,118
Speaker 3: a lot to do with that. And then you're talking

574
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Speaker 3: about saying Matt Moore for me with the Rays and

575
00:27:26,438 --> 00:27:28,478
Speaker 3: I can't remember the years, and we're playing the Rangers,

576
00:27:28,878 --> 00:27:31,838
Speaker 3: and I was talked thirteen Wildcard games right exactly, and

577
00:27:31,878 --> 00:27:34,598
Speaker 3: he had he wasn't. I think he pitched a little

578
00:27:34,638 --> 00:27:37,358
Speaker 3: bit limitedly with us that year, but not a lot.

579
00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:41,038
Speaker 3: Rocco Baldelli made an impassioned plea for him in the

580
00:27:41,078 --> 00:27:44,998
Speaker 3: office in Texas regarding why he thought he was ready

581
00:27:44,998 --> 00:27:48,038
Speaker 3: to start that game in Rocco was right, so that,

582
00:27:48,238 --> 00:27:49,918
Speaker 3: you know, you can't really worry about that. If this

583
00:27:50,038 --> 00:27:52,318
Speaker 3: kid is good. And not only is he's saying he's good,

584
00:27:52,318 --> 00:27:54,398
Speaker 3: they're watching. They could see it. They put the guns

585
00:27:54,438 --> 00:27:55,998
Speaker 3: up there, they know the spin and everything else, they

586
00:27:56,038 --> 00:27:58,798
Speaker 3: know the numbers. So yeah, he's right. That stuff's good.

587
00:27:58,798 --> 00:28:00,998
Speaker 3: This is what it's supposed to look like. So it's

588
00:28:01,158 --> 00:28:03,518
Speaker 3: it's really fascinating. And the Mets have not seen him

589
00:28:03,558 --> 00:28:05,518
Speaker 3: this year. It's more difficult to prepare against him, and

590
00:28:05,558 --> 00:28:07,238
Speaker 3: he's going to be checked up out of his mind,

591
00:28:07,358 --> 00:28:10,198
Speaker 3: and if he's really well, he's fresh. So there's a

592
00:28:10,198 --> 00:28:11,518
Speaker 3: lot to like with the Mets right now.

593
00:28:11,878 --> 00:28:14,238
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love And it's a great point you made

594
00:28:14,238 --> 00:28:17,158
Speaker 1: about their togetherness and it certainly shows up offensively. They're

595
00:28:17,158 --> 00:28:20,238
Speaker 1: playing great offensive baseball right now. They're running the bases

596
00:28:20,318 --> 00:28:23,478
Speaker 1: really well, and the level of opposite field hitting that

597
00:28:23,518 --> 00:28:25,918
Speaker 1: they're showing right now, up and down the lineup is

598
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:30,358
Speaker 1: just extraordinary. The Mets are the best offensive rally team

599
00:28:30,438 --> 00:28:34,958
Speaker 1: in baseball. They have more innings of four plus runs

600
00:28:35,358 --> 00:28:38,278
Speaker 1: than any team in baseball. I think they're going to

601
00:28:38,278 --> 00:28:40,158
Speaker 1: get to the Philadelphia bullpen, I do.

602
00:28:40,198 --> 00:28:41,998
Speaker 2: I think you're going to see some runs in this series.

603
00:28:43,438 --> 00:28:46,078
Speaker 1: It'll be very interesting to see how the Phillies handle that,

604
00:28:46,198 --> 00:28:49,158
Speaker 1: because this is again the matchup they probably didn't want

605
00:28:49,158 --> 00:28:51,878
Speaker 1: but would never admit to. Let's talk about the other

606
00:28:51,958 --> 00:28:54,598
Speaker 1: New York team, Joe, the New York Yankees. They get

607
00:28:54,638 --> 00:28:58,118
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Royals, and it brings back great memories

608
00:28:58,198 --> 00:29:00,958
Speaker 1: right as a baseball fan watching those series in the

609
00:29:00,998 --> 00:29:06,158
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, great rivalry is renewed. Listen, I love

610
00:29:06,238 --> 00:29:09,238
Speaker 1: Kansas City starting pitching. I said it in the AL

611
00:29:09,518 --> 00:29:12,958
Speaker 1: Wildcard Series. Their path to win is through their starting pitching.

612
00:29:12,998 --> 00:29:15,718
Speaker 1: They have to beat you with their starting pitching. There's

613
00:29:15,798 --> 00:29:16,918
Speaker 1: only one way. That's it.

614
00:29:17,158 --> 00:29:19,478
Speaker 2: They're not going to score a lot of runs. I'm sorry.

615
00:29:20,158 --> 00:29:21,718
Speaker 1: You can talk to me all you want about some

616
00:29:21,798 --> 00:29:23,158
Speaker 1: of the guys in the lineup, and we all love

617
00:29:23,158 --> 00:29:27,158
Speaker 1: Bobby wit Junior, but in terms of depth one through nine, listen,

618
00:29:27,158 --> 00:29:29,878
Speaker 1: they scored three runs against the Baltimore Orioles in two games.

619
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Speaker 1: So I'm not rolling out the carpet here for the

620
00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:35,478
Speaker 1: Royals that they're done some great run offensively. They were

621
00:29:35,478 --> 00:29:38,798
Speaker 1: the worst team in baseball offensively in September. I just

622
00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:41,398
Speaker 1: don't know how this team's going to score enough runs,

623
00:29:41,558 --> 00:29:44,158
Speaker 1: Joe to beat the New York Yankees three times.

624
00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:45,078
Speaker 2: Tell me what you.

625
00:29:45,038 --> 00:29:46,838
Speaker 3: Think, Yeah, you said it. I mean they have to

626
00:29:46,878 --> 00:29:49,358
Speaker 3: pitch their brains out. They got to pitch. They have

627
00:29:49,398 --> 00:29:52,158
Speaker 3: to really and you know, those young starters are really nice.

628
00:29:52,598 --> 00:29:55,158
Speaker 3: The kid Reagan's but I walk it to me, is

629
00:29:55,318 --> 00:29:57,198
Speaker 3: a completely different animal than when I saw him in

630
00:29:57,198 --> 00:30:00,078
Speaker 3: Saint Louis. The guys reinvented himself. I become a walka fan.

631
00:30:00,158 --> 00:30:01,638
Speaker 3: Back then. I wanted to see him on the mound.

632
00:30:01,678 --> 00:30:02,878
Speaker 3: Right now I would not want to see him on

633
00:30:02,958 --> 00:30:07,278
Speaker 3: the mount. Difference in his pitching approach it's a change

634
00:30:07,318 --> 00:30:10,398
Speaker 3: up or split whatever that is, and more of a

635
00:30:10,398 --> 00:30:14,118
Speaker 3: strike thrower. He's he's good. And I like logo a lot.

636
00:30:14,158 --> 00:30:16,198
Speaker 3: I've always been a Seth Lugo fan. So this is

637
00:30:16,238 --> 00:30:19,118
Speaker 3: three good starters in a short series. So that part

638
00:30:19,198 --> 00:30:22,118
Speaker 3: of it really fascinates me. And that's the only way

639
00:30:22,118 --> 00:30:23,478
Speaker 3: they're gonna be and they're gonna have to shut down

640
00:30:23,478 --> 00:30:27,598
Speaker 3: the shanky offense from their offensive perspective. When I'm in

641
00:30:27,638 --> 00:30:30,558
Speaker 3: a situation like that, you've got to take chances on offense.

642
00:30:30,598 --> 00:30:33,518
Speaker 3: You have to and take take chances on defense. In

643
00:30:33,518 --> 00:30:35,678
Speaker 3: other words, you have to play the infield in in

644
00:30:35,718 --> 00:30:38,038
Speaker 3: the first inning. You just have to because with that

645
00:30:38,078 --> 00:30:40,158
Speaker 3: one run, that might be it. That might that's going

646
00:30:40,198 --> 00:30:42,438
Speaker 3: to be the difference in when you're losing this game.

647
00:30:42,438 --> 00:30:44,838
Speaker 3: And it's become more in vogue to do that. I've

648
00:30:44,838 --> 00:30:46,878
Speaker 3: often thought that for many years. I mean, why am

649
00:30:46,878 --> 00:30:48,438
Speaker 3: I just giving up a run in the first inning?

650
00:30:48,518 --> 00:30:50,438
Speaker 3: Doesn't it count equally if it's in the first or

651
00:30:50,478 --> 00:30:52,598
Speaker 3: the seventh inning. It's one run. I'm gonna try to

652
00:30:52,638 --> 00:30:53,798
Speaker 3: keep away from it. I know you want to say

653
00:30:53,798 --> 00:30:56,038
Speaker 3: out of the beginning, I get it, And staying at

654
00:30:56,078 --> 00:30:57,958
Speaker 3: a beginning for me would be who's the hitter right now?

655
00:30:57,958 --> 00:30:59,958
Speaker 3: And is this guy going to cause havoc on the

656
00:30:59,998 --> 00:31:02,918
Speaker 3: basis if he gets on by playing the infield in Blooper,

657
00:31:02,958 --> 00:31:05,158
Speaker 3: happens all of a sudden and he's on base, havoc

658
00:31:05,518 --> 00:31:07,718
Speaker 3: and we're gonna have a lot of problems. They're gonna

659
00:31:07,718 --> 00:31:09,998
Speaker 3: put up a beginning. That would be my one reason

660
00:31:10,038 --> 00:31:12,958
Speaker 3: why don't get so aggressive. But like just say Stanton's

661
00:31:12,998 --> 00:31:14,558
Speaker 3: hitting and you know the run around third and less

662
00:31:14,558 --> 00:31:16,358
Speaker 3: than two outs, I'm coming in because if he gets

663
00:31:16,358 --> 00:31:19,358
Speaker 3: on first base, he ain't going anywhere. So take chances.

664
00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:22,958
Speaker 3: You have to create pressure on the basis offensively and

665
00:31:23,038 --> 00:31:27,118
Speaker 3: on defense, same thing, same thing strategically. When you have

666
00:31:27,198 --> 00:31:30,998
Speaker 3: to walk, Judge, walk them. Don't tell your picture to

667
00:31:30,998 --> 00:31:33,478
Speaker 3: pitch around him, walk them. Just walk them and make

668
00:31:33,518 --> 00:31:36,238
Speaker 3: somebody else beat you. Take chances. If you try to

669
00:31:36,278 --> 00:31:38,678
Speaker 3: play this game in conventional means, you're gonna get your

670
00:31:38,718 --> 00:31:39,558
Speaker 3: brains beaten out.

671
00:31:40,038 --> 00:31:41,518
Speaker 2: It's a great point on Judge.

672
00:31:41,518 --> 00:31:44,198
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he does not have nearly the protection

673
00:31:44,358 --> 00:31:48,558
Speaker 1: that Joeyotani does, so in any situation, I'm with you, Joe.

674
00:31:48,598 --> 00:31:50,638
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of just putting him on I'm

675
00:31:50,678 --> 00:31:53,718
Speaker 1: not a fan at all of saying don't make a mistake.

676
00:31:53,838 --> 00:31:57,558
Speaker 1: I don't like planning negative thoughts in picture's minds. You

677
00:31:57,638 --> 00:32:00,038
Speaker 1: really invite trouble when you eat. You ask a pitcher,

678
00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:01,878
Speaker 1: especially a guy he doesn't have a lot of experience

679
00:32:01,918 --> 00:32:06,038
Speaker 1: to pitch around somebody and Sam Austin Wells becomes a

680
00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:09,758
Speaker 1: huge pivot point in this this series because he's going

681
00:32:09,798 --> 00:32:12,438
Speaker 1: to hit with runners on base. He's got Soho and

682
00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:15,038
Speaker 1: Judge in front of him. Those guys are on base

683
00:32:15,158 --> 00:32:19,118
Speaker 1: almost half the time. And he had a terrible September.

684
00:32:19,198 --> 00:32:22,118
Speaker 1: He did a nice job for a while there, you know,

685
00:32:22,198 --> 00:32:24,478
Speaker 1: in that position, that four hole. The Yankees had struggled

686
00:32:24,518 --> 00:32:28,758
Speaker 1: all year long. But lately he has not been good

687
00:32:28,918 --> 00:32:31,158
Speaker 1: and the game is going to come to him. You know,

688
00:32:31,278 --> 00:32:33,198
Speaker 1: the game is going to find him. The spots are

689
00:32:33,238 --> 00:32:36,118
Speaker 1: going to find him. We'll see how he handles that.

690
00:32:36,238 --> 00:32:36,398
Speaker 2: Now.

691
00:32:36,438 --> 00:32:38,438
Speaker 1: I like the player a lot, but I just don't

692
00:32:38,518 --> 00:32:40,478
Speaker 1: like the pat that the trend that he's been on.

693
00:32:40,518 --> 00:32:42,278
Speaker 1: Coming into this series, He's going to get a lot

694
00:32:42,278 --> 00:32:43,238
Speaker 1: of meaningful e bets.

695
00:32:43,558 --> 00:32:44,958
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I like him a lot too.

696
00:32:44,998 --> 00:32:46,278
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be really good. He's like

697
00:32:46,478 --> 00:32:50,798
Speaker 3: Brian McCann kind of with me, former Braves catcher. I

698
00:32:50,918 --> 00:32:53,318
Speaker 3: kind of see that. I like his swing. But back

699
00:32:53,358 --> 00:32:57,878
Speaker 3: to the Royal starting pitchers, Waka used to be reverse split.

700
00:32:57,998 --> 00:32:59,318
Speaker 3: I don't know if he still is or not.

701
00:32:59,558 --> 00:33:01,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, that change up I want.

702
00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:05,798
Speaker 3: I wanted writings on him. And then and again, Lugo

703
00:33:06,158 --> 00:33:09,158
Speaker 3: also has a really nice array of pitch, and I

704
00:33:09,158 --> 00:33:10,838
Speaker 3: think he's more of a neutral guy for I remember

705
00:33:10,838 --> 00:33:14,238
Speaker 3: that correctly too. But my point is when it comes

706
00:33:14,318 --> 00:33:20,398
Speaker 3: to like, I don't care judge, judge, reverse split, traditional split, whatever,

707
00:33:20,478 --> 00:33:23,158
Speaker 3: just let him go walk. But when you get to

708
00:33:23,158 --> 00:33:24,918
Speaker 3: pitch to the next guy, you have Reagan's left hand,

709
00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:28,918
Speaker 3: who's tough. And then of course if Waka being reversed

710
00:33:28,918 --> 00:33:33,998
Speaker 3: and here comes Lugo, they play well against a catchup too,

711
00:33:34,078 --> 00:33:37,158
Speaker 3: So I would I would consider all that stuff as

712
00:33:37,158 --> 00:33:39,118
Speaker 3: I'm writing out my notes before the game begins.

713
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:43,158
Speaker 1: Joe, one more question on that series, and it's kind

714
00:33:43,158 --> 00:33:44,958
Speaker 1: of something the media that's in the media like to

715
00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:47,958
Speaker 1: get into, and that's pressure. And look where the Yankees

716
00:33:47,998 --> 00:33:50,038
Speaker 1: are at right now. You know, again, I'm not a

717
00:33:50,038 --> 00:33:52,718
Speaker 1: big believer in having all these days off harming a team.

718
00:33:52,758 --> 00:33:55,118
Speaker 1: I'm more a believer that the other team has been

719
00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:56,758
Speaker 1: playing and they have momentum.

720
00:33:57,118 --> 00:33:58,238
Speaker 2: That's the difference for me.

721
00:33:58,838 --> 00:34:01,158
Speaker 1: But the Yankees have been sitting around here, which you

722
00:34:01,158 --> 00:34:02,838
Speaker 1: know there are an older teams, is probably not a

723
00:34:02,918 --> 00:34:03,278
Speaker 1: bad thing.

724
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:06,158
Speaker 2: And now you look at their path to the World Series.

725
00:34:06,198 --> 00:34:10,398
Speaker 1: I remember, this franchise has gone through equalling the longest

726
00:34:10,518 --> 00:34:12,998
Speaker 1: drought without going to the World Series since they went

727
00:34:13,038 --> 00:34:15,798
Speaker 1: to their first one one hundred years ago. It's been

728
00:34:15,798 --> 00:34:18,358
Speaker 1: a long time since we've seen the Yankees in the

729
00:34:18,358 --> 00:34:21,998
Speaker 1: World Series. Their path to the World Series has completely

730
00:34:22,078 --> 00:34:25,958
Speaker 1: opened up now that the Orioles and the Astros are out.

731
00:34:26,278 --> 00:34:29,118
Speaker 1: I thought the two biggest obstacles to them they now

732
00:34:29,238 --> 00:34:32,318
Speaker 1: need to go through only and I say this without

733
00:34:32,358 --> 00:34:37,478
Speaker 1: disrespecting these teams. Three American League Central teams, you know,

734
00:34:37,838 --> 00:34:40,398
Speaker 1: the Royals right now, and then either the Guardians or

735
00:34:40,438 --> 00:34:43,598
Speaker 1: the Tigers. The Royals won eighty six games, the Tigers

736
00:34:43,638 --> 00:34:46,078
Speaker 1: won eighty six games. We're not talking Juggernauts, We're talking

737
00:34:46,078 --> 00:34:50,838
Speaker 1: about hot teams. Is the pressure something the New York

738
00:34:50,958 --> 00:34:54,758
Speaker 1: Yankees are going to feel now that they're even more

739
00:34:55,038 --> 00:34:58,118
Speaker 1: expected to win than they were before this tournament began.

740
00:34:58,918 --> 00:35:02,278
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think that's necessarily going

741
00:35:02,318 --> 00:35:03,638
Speaker 3: to be in their heads. They're going to hear it,

742
00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:08,078
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to feel that. So I would

743
00:35:08,078 --> 00:35:10,758
Speaker 3: not really if I'm the manager, if I'm Boune, would

744
00:35:10,758 --> 00:35:12,998
Speaker 3: not really be concerned about that. But flipping it to

745
00:35:13,038 --> 00:35:15,518
Speaker 3: the other side, and almost a little bit counter to

746
00:35:15,598 --> 00:35:18,598
Speaker 3: what I've been talking about before with the home court advantage,

747
00:35:18,638 --> 00:35:22,398
Speaker 3: home field advantage not being absolute anymore. But when it

748
00:35:22,438 --> 00:35:25,038
Speaker 3: comes to Kansas City and Detroit who do not play often,

749
00:35:25,358 --> 00:35:28,958
Speaker 3: or just in a situation Kansas City, possibly Detroit do

750
00:35:29,078 --> 00:35:31,038
Speaker 3: not play often. In New York City they play a

751
00:35:31,038 --> 00:35:33,238
Speaker 3: little bit more this year, but and Holly, you don't.

752
00:35:33,238 --> 00:35:35,598
Speaker 3: So there's a thing where you have to learn how

753
00:35:35,598 --> 00:35:37,038
Speaker 3: to win in New York and you have to learn

754
00:35:37,078 --> 00:35:39,878
Speaker 3: how to win in Boston. As an example, I'm talking

755
00:35:39,878 --> 00:35:43,478
Speaker 3: about the race coming up. There's an intimidation factor that

756
00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:45,398
Speaker 3: these guys, these young guys with Kansas City have to

757
00:35:45,398 --> 00:35:47,918
Speaker 3: get over quickly and just say it gets to Detroit,

758
00:35:47,998 --> 00:35:49,918
Speaker 3: just say it does the same thing with them, I think,

759
00:35:49,998 --> 00:35:53,878
Speaker 3: leaving a little bit more steady. But there's that. So

760
00:35:54,518 --> 00:35:56,638
Speaker 3: I've already said, and I believe this, there's not really

761
00:35:56,638 --> 00:36:01,718
Speaker 3: a home field advantage anymore. But New York Yankees, Yankee Stadium,

762
00:36:02,078 --> 00:36:05,638
Speaker 3: Fenway Park present that kind of a feel when you

763
00:36:05,718 --> 00:36:08,678
Speaker 3: walk in the door in a playoff situation, especially for

764
00:36:08,718 --> 00:36:10,278
Speaker 3: the first time, that you have to get beyond. I

765
00:36:10,318 --> 00:36:13,158
Speaker 3: thought with the Raids when I first got to everybody said, hey,

766
00:36:13,158 --> 00:36:14,638
Speaker 3: we got to get out of the American League East.

767
00:36:14,638 --> 00:36:15,718
Speaker 3: You're never going to win to be stayed in the

768
00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:17,878
Speaker 3: American League East. I said, no, this, we have to

769
00:36:17,878 --> 00:36:20,118
Speaker 3: absolutely stay in the American League East because we have

770
00:36:20,158 --> 00:36:21,318
Speaker 3: to learn how to win in New York. We have

771
00:36:21,318 --> 00:36:22,838
Speaker 3: to learn how to win in Boston to be a

772
00:36:22,878 --> 00:36:25,118
Speaker 3: really good team. Then you play anywhere else, it doesn't

773
00:36:25,158 --> 00:36:27,958
Speaker 3: bother you. It's just another venue. So that's the one

774
00:36:27,998 --> 00:36:30,118
Speaker 3: thing that I think, you know, countered to what I

775
00:36:30,278 --> 00:36:33,598
Speaker 3: talked about before, in this situation, may you're going to

776
00:36:33,638 --> 00:36:35,398
Speaker 3: see it very quickly. If there's a little bit of

777
00:36:35,398 --> 00:36:39,798
Speaker 3: an unsettled feeling about the Royals coming into this based

778
00:36:39,878 --> 00:36:42,518
Speaker 3: on the grounds that they're walking on, and I know

779
00:36:42,518 --> 00:36:47,998
Speaker 3: other major league players, I get it. The catchers has

780
00:36:48,038 --> 00:36:50,278
Speaker 3: been there before, as he's been to the World Series.

781
00:36:50,358 --> 00:36:52,238
Speaker 3: He's a different animal. I get that. But for the

782
00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:55,078
Speaker 3: most part, young and so That's that would be the

783
00:36:55,158 --> 00:36:57,798
Speaker 3: curious part to me how they deal with that. That

784
00:36:57,838 --> 00:37:00,918
Speaker 3: would be the pressure for me for Kansas City and

785
00:37:01,038 --> 00:37:04,198
Speaker 3: or Detroit coming to New York as opposed to worry

786
00:37:04,278 --> 00:37:09,838
Speaker 3: about the Yankees getting like overconfident because of the opposition

787
00:37:09,838 --> 00:37:10,438
Speaker 3: all of a sudden.

788
00:37:10,678 --> 00:37:13,718
Speaker 1: That is a great point, Joe, it really is. And listen,

789
00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:18,318
Speaker 1: just ask the Minnesota Twins. Twins couldn't win a Yankee

790
00:37:18,318 --> 00:37:20,118
Speaker 1: Stadium if you gave them one hundred and sixty two

791
00:37:20,158 --> 00:37:22,958
Speaker 1: games there there's just something to it. You're absolutely right,

792
00:37:23,118 --> 00:37:26,278
Speaker 1: and especially in October, I'm telling you, and that ballpark

793
00:37:26,318 --> 00:37:27,998
Speaker 1: is not the same as the old ballpark when we're

794
00:37:27,998 --> 00:37:30,958
Speaker 1: talking about Yankee Stadium in terms of being intimidating, but

795
00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:33,078
Speaker 1: there is something to the bright lights when you're playing

796
00:37:33,078 --> 00:37:35,238
Speaker 1: a postseason game at Yankee Stadium for a team without

797
00:37:35,278 --> 00:37:37,798
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. I do believe in that flip

798
00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:41,118
Speaker 1: side of that, Joe to me is if Kansas City

799
00:37:41,198 --> 00:37:44,758
Speaker 1: wins the first game, now we're talking about pressure on

800
00:37:44,798 --> 00:37:47,958
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees, because it can work the other way,

801
00:37:47,998 --> 00:37:51,958
Speaker 1: where those fans get angry and anxious and there's a

802
00:37:52,038 --> 00:37:54,118
Speaker 1: vibe in the ballpark that the other team can use

803
00:37:54,158 --> 00:37:54,918
Speaker 1: to their advantage.

804
00:37:54,918 --> 00:37:55,798
Speaker 2: We'll see the.

805
00:37:55,718 --> 00:37:58,118
Speaker 1: Game was always, as you know, Joe, big part of

806
00:37:58,158 --> 00:38:00,438
Speaker 1: a five game series, not so much in a seven gamer,

807
00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:03,718
Speaker 1: but in a five game series. If that road team

808
00:38:04,038 --> 00:38:08,518
Speaker 1: can win Game one, look out, everything we're talking about changes.

809
00:38:08,598 --> 00:38:11,038
Speaker 2: It becomes an entirely different series.

810
00:38:11,438 --> 00:38:13,798
Speaker 1: Hey, we've got one more series to talk about and

811
00:38:13,918 --> 00:38:17,998
Speaker 1: some major, major managerial news that can't wait to get

812
00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:21,198
Speaker 1: Joe's take on. We'll talk about all of that coming

813
00:38:21,318 --> 00:38:34,718
Speaker 1: up on the Book of Joe. Okay, Joe, one more

814
00:38:34,758 --> 00:38:41,278
Speaker 1: series to talk about. It's Detroit against Cleveland. I mean,

815
00:38:41,358 --> 00:38:43,438
Speaker 1: who saw this coming? Right when the year started. I

816
00:38:43,798 --> 00:38:47,198
Speaker 1: actually picked Detroit as a playoff team. I didn't think

817
00:38:47,278 --> 00:38:49,438
Speaker 1: there was any way we'd get two teams from the

818
00:38:49,478 --> 00:38:53,398
Speaker 1: Al Central, and now we have three. So credit to

819
00:38:53,518 --> 00:38:58,238
Speaker 1: Steven Vote and aj Hinch, who really did great jobs

820
00:38:58,278 --> 00:39:01,638
Speaker 1: managing a team Vote from day one. Aj Hinch really

821
00:39:01,678 --> 00:39:04,598
Speaker 1: his second half run for a very young time team.

822
00:39:05,318 --> 00:39:08,718
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, Joe, this is a bullpen series and

823
00:39:08,838 --> 00:39:12,718
Speaker 1: it's a manager series. Because of that, I've got it

824
00:39:12,758 --> 00:39:14,158
Speaker 1: as a toss up in my book.

825
00:39:14,158 --> 00:39:14,998
Speaker 2: That's not a cop out.

826
00:39:14,998 --> 00:39:16,998
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to tell you that there's not to

827
00:39:17,118 --> 00:39:20,998
Speaker 1: me an obvious favored team in this case Cleveland. Obviously

828
00:39:21,038 --> 00:39:23,878
Speaker 1: a higher team has the home field, but this one

829
00:39:23,958 --> 00:39:26,038
Speaker 1: is going to be really interesting to watch play out.

830
00:39:26,158 --> 00:39:27,838
Speaker 2: A lot of attention to the managers.

831
00:39:28,798 --> 00:39:31,998
Speaker 3: Yeah, steady hands. I mean, I've been watching AJ, have

832
00:39:32,078 --> 00:39:34,478
Speaker 3: worked against AJ, very steady hand. You watch him in

833
00:39:34,518 --> 00:39:37,638
Speaker 3: the dugout. He's very prepared. He knows in advance what

834
00:39:37,678 --> 00:39:39,438
Speaker 3: he wants to do, and then he's able to make

835
00:39:39,798 --> 00:39:42,158
Speaker 3: adaptations just the games in progress based on the fact

836
00:39:42,198 --> 00:39:45,798
Speaker 3: that he planned it out so well. And then Voter,

837
00:39:45,998 --> 00:39:48,638
Speaker 3: I mean, Voter still may have to rely on his

838
00:39:48,718 --> 00:39:50,758
Speaker 3: lieutenants there a little bit more I don't know. But

839
00:39:50,838 --> 00:39:54,918
Speaker 3: the thing about Voter, what a wonderful personality, A great

840
00:39:54,958 --> 00:39:57,998
Speaker 3: guy from the beginning. He and I when I was

841
00:39:57,998 --> 00:40:00,438
Speaker 3: with the Rays and he was a minor league player,

842
00:40:00,998 --> 00:40:03,358
Speaker 3: just drawn to him. I think that's what happens with Voter.

843
00:40:03,398 --> 00:40:06,878
Speaker 3: People are on to him. He's so easy to speak with,

844
00:40:06,998 --> 00:40:09,078
Speaker 3: He's got his wonderful sense of humor, he's very bright,

845
00:40:09,758 --> 00:40:14,278
Speaker 3: and so from that perspective, one manager more experience, another

846
00:40:14,358 --> 00:40:19,078
Speaker 3: manager willing to listen. Both have I think strong holds

847
00:40:19,118 --> 00:40:20,878
Speaker 3: on their clubhouse, and I think they have the respect

848
00:40:20,878 --> 00:40:23,998
Speaker 3: of their team. So that part of it I find

849
00:40:24,118 --> 00:40:27,198
Speaker 3: really kind of like even Steven in a way. But

850
00:40:27,678 --> 00:40:29,958
Speaker 3: with Detroit, like I just talked about earlier, I didn't

851
00:40:29,958 --> 00:40:31,438
Speaker 3: really watch them a lot they show, didn't see a

852
00:40:31,478 --> 00:40:34,478
Speaker 3: lot of their games. Dang. I mean, I didn't know

853
00:40:35,078 --> 00:40:37,678
Speaker 3: that that was their bullpen. I did not know. And

854
00:40:37,718 --> 00:40:40,318
Speaker 3: I know Cleveland has a wonderful bullpen to I get

855
00:40:40,358 --> 00:40:44,358
Speaker 3: it nice, But these guys are thunderous, the Detroit group.

856
00:40:44,478 --> 00:40:48,078
Speaker 3: And that's the part that I find intriguing, the fact

857
00:40:48,118 --> 00:40:50,318
Speaker 3: that Detroit really is playing like a bunch of loose

858
00:40:50,318 --> 00:40:53,798
Speaker 3: cannons right now and they got it going on. I'm

859
00:40:53,838 --> 00:40:56,518
Speaker 3: not to say that Cleveland doesn't. I mean they struggled

860
00:40:56,558 --> 00:40:58,598
Speaker 3: a bit at the end where Detroit really had to

861
00:40:59,038 --> 00:41:03,358
Speaker 3: almost pull like a Colorado Rockies run to the to

862
00:41:03,398 --> 00:41:04,998
Speaker 3: the playoffs, like from a couple of years ago when

863
00:41:04,958 --> 00:41:06,678
Speaker 3: they went to the World Series the Rockies did. So

864
00:41:07,918 --> 00:41:10,878
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I mean, I like, you know, the

865
00:41:11,118 --> 00:41:13,518
Speaker 3: couple of players with the Indians a little bit more

866
00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:15,918
Speaker 3: experienced there. But I'll tell you what. The Detroit bullpen

867
00:41:15,998 --> 00:41:18,998
Speaker 3: to me, opeen was my school Bowl. I don't know.

868
00:41:19,078 --> 00:41:20,838
Speaker 3: Top three pitchers in all of baseball.

869
00:41:21,638 --> 00:41:22,398
Speaker 2: He's neumber one, right.

870
00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:25,438
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so fortunate that they did not trade him, obviously,

871
00:41:26,078 --> 00:41:29,038
Speaker 3: But I like Detroit's overall pitching and that to me

872
00:41:29,078 --> 00:41:31,038
Speaker 3: always gives you an edge. Right now, and they're playing

873
00:41:31,038 --> 00:41:32,638
Speaker 3: with a severe amount of energy.

874
00:41:33,718 --> 00:41:35,718
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to agree with you. I think school

875
00:41:35,718 --> 00:41:38,678
Speaker 1: ball is a difference maker for me right now. He

876
00:41:38,718 --> 00:41:41,438
Speaker 1: looks unbeatable, he really does. I would not be surprised

877
00:41:41,438 --> 00:41:43,198
Speaker 1: if this team does go on that school bol is

878
00:41:43,198 --> 00:41:45,878
Speaker 1: going to have like an all time great postseason. He's

879
00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:50,638
Speaker 1: that good, he's that hot, he's that much of a competitor. Listen,

880
00:41:50,678 --> 00:41:53,318
Speaker 1: there's nobody like that on the Cleveland staff. Obviously they're

881
00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:54,798
Speaker 1: gonna have to win the game with the whole staff.

882
00:41:54,838 --> 00:41:58,198
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. But again, it's nice having one

883
00:41:58,238 --> 00:42:01,238
Speaker 1: of those guys if you got two great nice having

884
00:42:01,358 --> 00:42:03,198
Speaker 1: one of those guys as a manager. You send to

885
00:42:03,238 --> 00:42:04,838
Speaker 1: the mound and say, this guy's going to take a

886
00:42:04,878 --> 00:42:08,998
Speaker 1: Steve Boyce. So I do like Detroit a little bit there.

887
00:42:10,038 --> 00:42:13,238
Speaker 1: All due respect to the Guardians, here's the thing you

888
00:42:13,318 --> 00:42:16,558
Speaker 1: mentioned the bullpen. How about Jackson job And I want

889
00:42:16,558 --> 00:42:18,638
Speaker 1: to get your take on this Joe because they bring

890
00:42:18,678 --> 00:42:19,438
Speaker 1: him up late in the year.

891
00:42:19,438 --> 00:42:21,638
Speaker 2: He's the number one pitching prospect in baseball.

892
00:42:21,718 --> 00:42:24,958
Speaker 1: You know, upper nineties, wipe out, breaking pitch, good change up.

893
00:42:25,638 --> 00:42:27,238
Speaker 2: You saw the other day he pitched in Houston.

894
00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,238
Speaker 1: It shows you the trust AJ has in him to

895
00:42:29,238 --> 00:42:31,478
Speaker 1: put him in a high leverage spot in a playoff

896
00:42:31,478 --> 00:42:34,598
Speaker 1: game right away. And I thought he handled it really well.

897
00:42:34,638 --> 00:42:36,238
Speaker 1: Now you look at the line scored and looked he

898
00:42:36,238 --> 00:42:37,198
Speaker 1: gave a couple of runs.

899
00:42:37,238 --> 00:42:39,318
Speaker 2: He was not hit hard. If you look back on it.

900
00:42:39,318 --> 00:42:41,758
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of bloops and bleeders that got through,

901
00:42:42,158 --> 00:42:44,638
Speaker 1: and I thought he handled that really well. So to me,

902
00:42:44,758 --> 00:42:49,478
Speaker 1: he consolidated AJ's opinion on him that this guy's not

903
00:42:49,718 --> 00:42:50,478
Speaker 1: scared at all.

904
00:42:50,718 --> 00:42:53,838
Speaker 2: He handled it with poised The stuff is off the charts.

905
00:42:53,878 --> 00:42:57,358
Speaker 1: Good, Joe, I want your take on this Jackson job

906
00:42:57,478 --> 00:43:01,278
Speaker 1: could wind up being the Francisco Rodriguez of this postseason.

907
00:43:01,358 --> 00:43:03,558
Speaker 1: We're going back to two thousand and two Angels. How

908
00:43:03,558 --> 00:43:05,838
Speaker 1: about that They probably thought about that. Yeah, I was

909
00:43:05,878 --> 00:43:08,398
Speaker 1: watching it and I was watching that particular moment.

910
00:43:08,478 --> 00:43:10,558
Speaker 3: You're right. I mean, I was like, God, they're just

911
00:43:11,078 --> 00:43:14,678
Speaker 3: they're just cutting them up to death, leading them to

912
00:43:14,718 --> 00:43:16,958
Speaker 3: death because nothing was sit hard. The thing that I

913
00:43:16,998 --> 00:43:19,358
Speaker 3: was surprised about I was waiting for this big basketball.

914
00:43:19,358 --> 00:43:21,398
Speaker 3: He kept throwing breaking balls, he kept throwing the screen.

915
00:43:21,758 --> 00:43:22,518
Speaker 2: I didn't like that.

916
00:43:22,718 --> 00:43:24,958
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't understand that. I didn't. I just wanted

917
00:43:24,958 --> 00:43:27,398
Speaker 3: to see him establish his velocity, and then this other

918
00:43:27,398 --> 00:43:29,198
Speaker 3: stuff would have really played big. I would think the

919
00:43:29,238 --> 00:43:31,758
Speaker 3: next time, you might seem where of that. Although it

920
00:43:31,798 --> 00:43:33,398
Speaker 3: might have been part of the game planning, the part

921
00:43:33,398 --> 00:43:35,718
Speaker 3: of the lineup that he was facing, we're gonna go

922
00:43:35,838 --> 00:43:38,518
Speaker 3: this way, I would not doubt that that had been

923
00:43:38,558 --> 00:43:41,278
Speaker 3: part of the conversation. A guy like this, if he's

924
00:43:41,278 --> 00:43:43,038
Speaker 3: as good as everybody says he is, let him pitch,

925
00:43:43,598 --> 00:43:46,158
Speaker 3: Let him pitch. Let the hitters adjust him, as opposed

926
00:43:46,198 --> 00:43:49,038
Speaker 3: to him adjusting to the pitchers. But I mean to

927
00:43:49,078 --> 00:43:52,838
Speaker 3: the hitters. But he could be like, you're absolutely correct,

928
00:43:53,278 --> 00:43:56,318
Speaker 3: I've done that before. I mean, it could go back

929
00:43:56,318 --> 00:43:59,118
Speaker 3: to David Price. I've already talked about Maddy Moore. I mean,

930
00:43:59,118 --> 00:44:00,878
Speaker 3: when you're in a situation like that, when you're sending

931
00:44:00,958 --> 00:44:04,118
Speaker 3: as an organization, you take chances. Man, you're taking a

932
00:44:04,198 --> 00:44:06,758
Speaker 3: chance based on like a lot of good scouting, and

933
00:44:06,798 --> 00:44:09,038
Speaker 3: you see what the guy's got and the thing that

934
00:44:09,078 --> 00:44:11,158
Speaker 3: he demonstrated to me was his makeup. That was the

935
00:44:11,158 --> 00:44:13,918
Speaker 3: part that was really impressive to me. Didn't see the velocity,

936
00:44:13,918 --> 00:44:16,158
Speaker 3: he didn't see the big basketball, saw some pretty good

937
00:44:16,158 --> 00:44:18,278
Speaker 3: breaking balls, but I saw a guy did not get rattled,

938
00:44:18,838 --> 00:44:21,518
Speaker 3: and that to me would be my biggest takeaway from

939
00:44:21,558 --> 00:44:23,558
Speaker 3: all of that. They got through the game, So I

940
00:44:23,558 --> 00:44:26,678
Speaker 3: think his next opportunity is going to be better with

941
00:44:26,718 --> 00:44:30,118
Speaker 3: the results. Maybe, I don't know. I'm curious to see

942
00:44:30,118 --> 00:44:31,318
Speaker 3: if it's going to be I don't want to say

943
00:44:31,318 --> 00:44:34,118
Speaker 3: lower leverage, but maybe earlier in the game as compared

944
00:44:34,158 --> 00:44:36,518
Speaker 3: to later in the game, that they're going to utilize them,

945
00:44:36,638 --> 00:44:38,878
Speaker 3: or they just wait to the Frankie Rodriguez eighth inning

946
00:44:39,318 --> 00:44:40,918
Speaker 3: and throw them on out there. I don't know, but

947
00:44:41,518 --> 00:44:44,198
Speaker 3: if the kid is all of that physically, I saw

948
00:44:44,278 --> 00:44:46,638
Speaker 3: the mental side and I really thought that was great.

949
00:44:46,758 --> 00:44:49,278
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a little bit like your old Raised team, Joe.

950
00:44:49,358 --> 00:44:51,558
Speaker 1: I mean, they're too young to know where they are

951
00:44:51,678 --> 00:44:56,678
Speaker 1: to be intimidated, and AJ had them playing fearless baseball

952
00:44:56,758 --> 00:44:59,278
Speaker 1: actually throughout the season, but especially once they got younger

953
00:44:59,318 --> 00:45:03,078
Speaker 1: in August, and I like the approach they're taking here,

954
00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:05,758
Speaker 1: and I actually liked them as we talked about starting

955
00:45:05,798 --> 00:45:06,238
Speaker 1: on the road.

956
00:45:06,398 --> 00:45:09,158
Speaker 2: Yep, one bit of news Joe you probably saw.

957
00:45:09,238 --> 00:45:11,238
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were surprised, but your good

958
00:45:11,238 --> 00:45:15,638
Speaker 1: buddy Terry Francona is back managing in the major leagues

959
00:45:15,678 --> 00:45:18,238
Speaker 1: a three year contract with the Cincinnati Reds.

960
00:45:18,278 --> 00:45:19,598
Speaker 2: Now, give the Reds credit.

961
00:45:19,678 --> 00:45:21,798
Speaker 1: We talked in the past about David Bell, had six

962
00:45:21,878 --> 00:45:23,878
Speaker 1: year run there, didn't win a playoff game.

963
00:45:24,718 --> 00:45:26,638
Speaker 2: They move on. You know, the Reds are not.

964
00:45:26,638 --> 00:45:29,878
Speaker 1: Exactly known for making big moves and spending big money. Well,

965
00:45:29,878 --> 00:45:31,918
Speaker 1: they made the biggest move they could possibly make by

966
00:45:31,958 --> 00:45:35,638
Speaker 1: getting Terry Francona out there to come out of retirement

967
00:45:36,158 --> 00:45:39,118
Speaker 1: and listen, it's a great news first of all for

968
00:45:39,158 --> 00:45:41,718
Speaker 1: the Reds and form Terry Francona because that tells me

969
00:45:41,758 --> 00:45:42,518
Speaker 1: he's feeling better.

970
00:45:42,558 --> 00:45:43,918
Speaker 2: We worried about his health that.

971
00:45:43,918 --> 00:45:46,358
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, he had to step away for the game,

972
00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:50,318
Speaker 1: and he's back, so I think it's a great hire

973
00:45:50,318 --> 00:45:52,078
Speaker 1: for the Reds. Give me your take and whether you

974
00:45:52,078 --> 00:45:55,118
Speaker 1: were surprised that Terry Francona is back with a three

975
00:45:55,198 --> 00:45:55,758
Speaker 1: year deal.

976
00:45:56,718 --> 00:45:58,638
Speaker 3: I think surprise a little bit, But when you think

977
00:45:58,638 --> 00:46:00,158
Speaker 3: about it, not so much as like you said, as

978
00:46:00,158 --> 00:46:03,478
Speaker 3: long as he's feeling well, not surprising at all. Tito's

979
00:46:03,518 --> 00:46:05,358
Speaker 3: just an hour absolute Jim Ratt when it comes to

980
00:46:05,398 --> 00:46:07,718
Speaker 3: a baseball field, and I think that's where he feels

981
00:46:07,758 --> 00:46:10,798
Speaker 3: most comfortable. I don't even think retirement is a word

982
00:46:10,838 --> 00:46:14,758
Speaker 3: that's in his vocabulary. So given the opportunity, I feel good,

983
00:46:14,838 --> 00:46:16,998
Speaker 3: let me get back into this thing. He's not been

984
00:46:17,038 --> 00:46:19,798
Speaker 3: away from it that long. So for all those different reasons,

985
00:46:20,318 --> 00:46:22,638
Speaker 3: that part did not surprise me. I'm very happy for

986
00:46:22,718 --> 00:46:25,198
Speaker 3: him because, like I said, I know that's where he

987
00:46:25,238 --> 00:46:28,278
Speaker 3: belongs and that's what he really wants to do. And yes,

988
00:46:28,358 --> 00:46:32,798
Speaker 3: I mean Cincinnati so many wonderful young players and they've

989
00:46:32,838 --> 00:46:36,318
Speaker 3: just been looking for a runner pretty much. Listen David Bell.

990
00:46:36,598 --> 00:46:38,918
Speaker 3: Talk to David a lot, great guy. I don't know

991
00:46:38,958 --> 00:46:41,958
Speaker 3: exactly what went on there, but when Tito walks in

992
00:46:41,998 --> 00:46:45,358
Speaker 3: the room, you know you got this immediate cachet working

993
00:46:45,398 --> 00:46:47,478
Speaker 3: for him, and I know these guys are going to

994
00:46:47,518 --> 00:46:50,078
Speaker 3: buy in and listen and whatever. It's just going to be.

995
00:46:50,478 --> 00:46:51,558
Speaker 3: It's going to be a boom in the city of

996
00:46:51,598 --> 00:46:54,878
Speaker 3: Cincinnati itself. You know, his first press conference, etc. There's

997
00:46:54,878 --> 00:46:57,318
Speaker 3: going to be a lot of stir about that. And

998
00:46:57,358 --> 00:46:59,238
Speaker 3: they have talent. They have talent, so it's not like

999
00:46:59,278 --> 00:47:02,598
Speaker 3: he's walking into a difficult situation when it comes to

1000
00:47:03,198 --> 00:47:06,598
Speaker 3: young physical talent on the field too, So I was

1001
00:47:06,598 --> 00:47:08,758
Speaker 3: happy for him. I'm really pleased for him. I think

1002
00:47:08,758 --> 00:47:11,798
Speaker 3: it's a great move for Cincinnati and just curiously, we'll

1003
00:47:11,838 --> 00:47:14,958
Speaker 3: watch it play out. But that's you know, Terry was

1004
00:47:14,958 --> 00:47:16,278
Speaker 3: mooring to play the game and then he was more

1005
00:47:16,278 --> 00:47:17,838
Speaker 3: in the coach and manage the game. And I very

1006
00:47:17,838 --> 00:47:19,838
Speaker 3: happy for him because that's where he needs to be.

1007
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:21,398
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to see.

1008
00:47:21,478 --> 00:47:24,198
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are realizing, Yes, managers

1009
00:47:24,238 --> 00:47:25,998
Speaker 1: do matter having the right guy there. I don't know

1010
00:47:25,998 --> 00:47:27,358
Speaker 1: about you, but all of a sudden, I feel a

1011
00:47:27,398 --> 00:47:30,238
Speaker 1: lot better about the Reds because Terry Francona is there,

1012
00:47:30,398 --> 00:47:32,878
Speaker 1: and he will set the right tone and the right culture.

1013
00:47:33,678 --> 00:47:35,998
Speaker 1: And he's a lot like Steven Vote and that, as

1014
00:47:36,038 --> 00:47:38,558
Speaker 1: you said, Joe, people like being around him. They respond

1015
00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:41,198
Speaker 1: to him. There's something there besides just the running of

1016
00:47:41,238 --> 00:47:43,478
Speaker 1: a game. A lot more besides just the running the game.

1017
00:47:43,518 --> 00:47:46,638
Speaker 1: And you think about Texas and Chris Young stepping up

1018
00:47:46,678 --> 00:47:49,238
Speaker 1: and calling up Prus Bocchi sitting at home on his

1019
00:47:49,318 --> 00:47:51,878
Speaker 1: couch and saying, do you want to manage again, and

1020
00:47:51,918 --> 00:47:53,998
Speaker 1: the difference he made last year with the Rangers winning

1021
00:47:53,998 --> 00:47:56,638
Speaker 1: the World Series. You think about Aj Preller and San

1022
00:47:56,678 --> 00:47:59,118
Speaker 1: Diego needing a manager to get this talented group of

1023
00:47:59,198 --> 00:48:01,678
Speaker 1: padres to play as a group, and he goes out

1024
00:48:01,718 --> 00:48:04,198
Speaker 1: and gets the experience of a Mike Schilt has made

1025
00:48:04,198 --> 00:48:07,758
Speaker 1: an enormous difference. That team is coalesced so well behind

1026
00:48:07,798 --> 00:48:11,478
Speaker 1: Mike Schildt. So you can't tell me experience doesn't matter.

1027
00:48:11,598 --> 00:48:14,358
Speaker 1: It's finding the right guy in the right spot rather

1028
00:48:14,398 --> 00:48:17,438
Speaker 1: than hoping someone is going to grow into a role.

1029
00:48:17,518 --> 00:48:20,358
Speaker 1: Now I say that, and with all due respect, Carlos

1030
00:48:20,398 --> 00:48:22,318
Speaker 1: Mendoz has done an amazing job with the New York

1031
00:48:22,318 --> 00:48:24,598
Speaker 1: Mets this year. I've been impressed from him from the

1032
00:48:24,678 --> 00:48:27,798
Speaker 1: get go. So it doesn't have to be one way.

1033
00:48:28,278 --> 00:48:30,158
Speaker 1: But for a while there it was one way, and

1034
00:48:30,758 --> 00:48:35,438
Speaker 1: teams had not valued experience enough. And this tells me

1035
00:48:35,518 --> 00:48:38,158
Speaker 1: that they're starting to realize that, yeah, it does matter

1036
00:48:38,198 --> 00:48:41,558
Speaker 1: having the right person in that dugout, not someone who

1037
00:48:41,638 --> 00:48:44,118
Speaker 1: just has a feel for the numbers of the game.

1038
00:48:44,598 --> 00:48:47,798
Speaker 3: Well, Carlos really had been a minor league manager, bench

1039
00:48:47,838 --> 00:48:50,678
Speaker 3: coach for a while with the Yankees, et cetera. So

1040
00:48:51,198 --> 00:48:53,478
Speaker 3: there's a high level of experience that goes with that too.

1041
00:48:53,518 --> 00:48:56,478
Speaker 3: I mean it really reflects how I got there originally

1042
00:48:56,478 --> 00:48:58,318
Speaker 3: because I was running a minor league for so many

1043
00:48:58,398 --> 00:49:00,518
Speaker 3: years on the field, then it was a major league

1044
00:49:00,518 --> 00:49:03,358
Speaker 3: coach for ten years. So there's also that to be

1045
00:49:03,398 --> 00:49:07,478
Speaker 3: considered regarding experience, Maybe not experiencing experience as a major

1046
00:49:07,558 --> 00:49:11,718
Speaker 3: league manager, but having managed, having worked games, having been

1047
00:49:11,758 --> 00:49:14,998
Speaker 3: a confidant and the right hand man for a manager

1048
00:49:15,558 --> 00:49:19,318
Speaker 3: definitely bleeds into the game in regards to feeling good

1049
00:49:19,318 --> 00:49:22,558
Speaker 3: about it. You start developing your own thoughts, things that

1050
00:49:22,598 --> 00:49:25,998
Speaker 3: you know, things that you could you talking about, experience

1051
00:49:26,038 --> 00:49:29,398
Speaker 3: and feel all that stuff begins to formulate within you

1052
00:49:29,518 --> 00:49:32,918
Speaker 3: because you have these different opportunities. The vision for me

1053
00:49:32,918 --> 00:49:35,638
Speaker 3: as a bench coach I was always I always had

1054
00:49:35,918 --> 00:49:38,158
Speaker 3: If SOCIAL wanted to hear something, I would always have

1055
00:49:38,238 --> 00:49:41,118
Speaker 3: something to tell him or terry or whatever. But as

1056
00:49:41,158 --> 00:49:43,878
Speaker 3: a bench coach, I was always I don't want to

1057
00:49:43,878 --> 00:49:46,318
Speaker 3: say holding back at reticent. I wouldn't just offer opinions

1058
00:49:46,438 --> 00:49:49,758
Speaker 3: unless that was asked for my opinion, because major league

1059
00:49:49,798 --> 00:49:52,078
Speaker 3: manager has to answer a lot of questions after the game,

1060
00:49:52,238 --> 00:49:55,518
Speaker 3: So I was always really aware of that, to the

1061
00:49:55,518 --> 00:49:58,398
Speaker 3: point where it's got to be his thoughts and I

1062
00:49:58,478 --> 00:50:00,478
Speaker 3: got to stay out of his head. But if he

1063
00:50:00,558 --> 00:50:02,398
Speaker 3: needs me, I'm there for him. So you have to

1064
00:50:02,518 --> 00:50:05,718
Speaker 3: constantly think about the game, what you would do in advance,

1065
00:50:06,238 --> 00:50:08,638
Speaker 3: just in case the question came your way. That's how

1066
00:50:08,678 --> 00:50:11,518
Speaker 3: pretty much I handled the bench coaching job. Where you

1067
00:50:11,558 --> 00:50:15,078
Speaker 3: permit the manager to intellectualize the game, well, you take

1068
00:50:15,118 --> 00:50:17,558
Speaker 3: care of all the minutia. That's to me what a

1069
00:50:17,598 --> 00:50:20,478
Speaker 3: really good bench coach does. So I would imagine Carlos

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Speaker 3: did that. When I hear him talk, I love it.

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Speaker 3: He speaks like he knows things. It's not just things

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Speaker 3: that he's thinking about, he knows things. So he's like

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Speaker 3: an old hand in a sense in a young body.

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Speaker 3: And I thought he's done a great job too well

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Speaker 3: so far.

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Speaker 1: The patterns I see so far in this postseason, Joey,

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Speaker 1: there's three things that stand out to me. Number one,

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Speaker 1: the run scoring environment. It's been tough, it's.

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Speaker 2: Been pitching nominated.

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Speaker 1: Number Two, these have been managerial games when you don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of run scored and you have these

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00:50:47,158 --> 00:50:49,678
Speaker 1: deep bullpens, there's a lot of pressure on managers to

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00:50:49,718 --> 00:50:53,278
Speaker 1: push the right buttons. And third is that home field

1084
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Speaker 1: has meant nothing. We'll see if those patterns and trends

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Speaker 1: continue as we get through the LDS. In the meantime, Joe,

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Speaker 1: you're our closer. I'm giving you the ball to close

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Speaker 1: out this edition of the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it fits again because I thought today,

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Speaker 3: when before this are taping planning? You know, what do

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00:51:17,038 --> 00:51:19,078
Speaker 3: you do as regarding planning when you get to this

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00:51:19,118 --> 00:51:21,878
Speaker 3: part of the playoffs? You're planning every day. But the playoffs,

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00:51:21,878 --> 00:51:24,158
Speaker 3: of course you're planning, and sometimes to the point I

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00:51:24,158 --> 00:51:26,598
Speaker 3: think it's a little bit too much. But it's still

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Speaker 3: about planning right now. And really, you play these teams

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Speaker 3: during the course of the year, and you understand these teams.

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Speaker 3: You know, you should really always know your sprints first,

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00:51:34,198 --> 00:51:36,318
Speaker 3: and player sprints first. That was a John Wooden thing

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00:51:36,838 --> 00:51:39,598
Speaker 3: when it came to advanced scouting. He had it. It

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00:51:39,678 --> 00:51:41,918
Speaker 3: was minimal. He just wanted to make sure his guys

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Speaker 3: what they did well all the time. First, that's the

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Speaker 3: most important thing. Second would be how do we react

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Speaker 3: to this other group? So I found this from Dwight

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Speaker 3: Eisenhower and preparing for battle. I have always found that

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Speaker 3: plans are useless, but Planning is indispensable. Do you lay

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00:51:59,758 --> 00:52:01,558
Speaker 3: out your track, you know what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: This is a perfect world, This is an absolute perfect well.

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00:52:04,838 --> 00:52:08,438
Speaker 3: In reality it can be totally different than theory. So

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00:52:08,718 --> 00:52:11,558
Speaker 3: you have to plan it out. But understand when the

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Speaker 3: crap hits the fan, you have to be ready to react.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I thought I was reading with this

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Speaker 3: from Eisenoer. Then I have to follow up God by

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Speaker 3: name of Mark Kaine. It really dovetails, and I think

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00:52:21,438 --> 00:52:25,918
Speaker 3: they really are synonymous, almost particulous. Planning will enable everything

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Speaker 3: a man does to appear spontaneous. Wow, that really encapsulates

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Speaker 3: everything we're talking about in a dugout. So you plan

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Speaker 3: meticulously and then it is going to it appears like

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00:52:37,198 --> 00:52:38,958
Speaker 3: you have all the answers. But believe me, it's very

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00:52:38,958 --> 00:52:42,718
Speaker 3: fluent because again, theory and reality rarely meet up, and

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00:52:42,758 --> 00:52:44,598
Speaker 3: when they do, it's a beautiful thing. Game over. You

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Speaker 3: look back, Wow, we wrote all that stuff down before

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00:52:47,678 --> 00:52:49,918
Speaker 3: the game it played out perfectly, But it doesn't. I

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00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:51,838
Speaker 3: don't even know if it had happens even twenty percent

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Speaker 3: of the time. So I thought there were great quotes.

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Speaker 3: That's what's going on right now. You got a plan,

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Speaker 3: but you have to be fluid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great definition of postseason baseball.

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Speaker 1: And for all you listeners out there, this is the

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Speaker 1: place to be throughout the postseason. We'll be at you

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Speaker 1: a lot more often than once a week as things

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Speaker 1: developed throughout the postseason rounds. Just as we were last year.

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Speaker 1: We are here for you. I will be field level

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Speaker 1: for the.

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Speaker 2: Mets Phillies series. So you've got that insight.

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Speaker 1: You've got the insight of a guy who's run sixty

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Speaker 1: seven postseason games and Joe Madden.

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Speaker 2: This is a look at postseason baseball.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to find anywhere else, folks, So make

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Speaker 1: sure you come back here to the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 1: We'll be with you throughout this postseason. Joe looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tommy. My eye level will be at the

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Speaker 3: pretty much the epicenter of an eighty six inch LGTV.

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm going to be.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, all right, brother be well.

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