WEBVTT - Spotlight on Gordon Moore

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeartRadio and how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are you. In yesterday's news episode, I opened the show

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<v Speaker 1>by talking about the passing of Gordon Moore, an important

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<v Speaker 1>figure in the world of tech today. I thought we'd

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<v Speaker 1>look a little bit into his history and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the man and where he came from and some of

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<v Speaker 1>his contributions to technology. Along the way, we'll learn why

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<v Speaker 1>he was dubbed traitorous by a former employer, along with

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<v Speaker 1>seven of his co workers. We'll talk a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>Moore's law and what that originally meant versus how we

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<v Speaker 1>typically interpret it today, and of course we'll chat a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about a tiny little company he co found called Intel.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Moore was born on January third, nineteen twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>That would turn out to be a pretty darn eventful year,

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<v Speaker 1>because in August the world would enter the Great Depression,

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<v Speaker 1>which would affect the economy for a full decade. Fortunately

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<v Speaker 1>for the Moore family, they were not you know, Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street investors. They didn't lose their shirts in the Great Depression. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>his father was a deputy sheriff of a little town

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<v Speaker 1>called Pescadero, which was on the coast of California, so

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit south of San Francisco, and his

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<v Speaker 1>mother ran a general store in town, so his family

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<v Speaker 1>was not as directly hit by the depression as many

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<v Speaker 1>others were. Now. Early on, Gordon Moore said that his

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<v Speaker 1>ambition was to become a teacher. He was very interested

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<v Speaker 1>in science, specifically in chemistry, and he enrolled in San

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<v Speaker 1>Jose State College, and that's where he would meet his

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<v Speaker 1>future wife, Betty Whittaker. The two would be married for

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<v Speaker 1>more than seventy years. They actually got married in nineteen fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the same year that Moore had graduated with

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<v Speaker 1>his undergrad degree. He had transferred to the University of California,

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<v Speaker 1>Berkeley and completed his undergrad degree there, and he earned

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<v Speaker 1>his degree in chemistry. He then continued his studies at

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<v Speaker 1>cal Tech. He had postgraduate work and Moore would earn

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<v Speaker 1>a doctorate, also in chemistry. Rather than pursue a career

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<v Speaker 1>in teaching, he applied for a position at Dow Chemical. However,

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<v Speaker 1>accloid Moore during a psychological evaluation for the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the hiring process, a Dow representative determined that More didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have what it takes to be a manager. They said

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<v Speaker 1>that his technical skills were suitable, that he had strong

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<v Speaker 1>skills in the field of science, but that he would

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<v Speaker 1>not make a good manager. Considering what would happen later

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<v Speaker 1>in Moore's life, this assessment should go down as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the dumbest ones in tech history. But hey, once

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<v Speaker 1>upon a time I worked for consultants who would do

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<v Speaker 1>things like leadership assessments, and based upon the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading, my own personal opinion is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those assessments are based on who he Again, that's

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<v Speaker 1>my own personal opinion, and I could be totally wrong

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I just got very jaded about it. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the story. More needed a gig, So then

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<v Speaker 1>he took a position at Johns Hopkins University. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is in Baltimore. He joined their applied physics Laboratory. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Baltimore is in Maryland. That's on the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>side of the United States from California. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>about as far away as he could get from his

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<v Speaker 1>home while still being in the United States. And Moore's

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<v Speaker 1>extended family still lived out in California, so he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really like working on the East Coast. So even though

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<v Speaker 1>he had steady work, he kept looking for opportunities that

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<v Speaker 1>would let him move back across the United States to

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<v Speaker 1>the West Coast, and one such opportunity arose at the

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Livermore Laboratory. Now this lab had Ernest Lawrence and

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Teller as co founders. Now those names might not

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything to you, but Edward Teller in particular is

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<v Speaker 1>also sometimes referred to as the father of the hydrogen bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Though he didn't He didn't like that. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>theoretical physicist and was notoriously difficult to work with. He

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<v Speaker 1>also earned a bad and arguably unjustified reputation after testifying

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<v Speaker 1>in a hear to determine whether or not Robert Oppenheimer

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<v Speaker 1>should have his security clearance revoked. Teller was of the

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<v Speaker 1>opinion that it should, and ultimately it was. Anyway, episode

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<v Speaker 1>is not about Edward Teller. I will have to do

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<v Speaker 1>another one about Teller in the future. I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about him in past episodes. I'm certain I have,

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<v Speaker 1>and things like episodes about the Manhattan Project. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Livermore Lab was known primarily for work involving the research

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<v Speaker 1>and development of nuclear weapons. So Gordon Moore had this

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to go and work for the Livermore Lab, and

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<v Speaker 1>he thought about this and ultimately decided that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not keen on the idea of working in the field

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<v Speaker 1>of nuclear weapons research and development. And you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he had the skills in chemistry and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a good understanding of physics, he just didn't feel right

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<v Speaker 1>about dedicating his expertise toward making things go boom. But

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six he got a different opportunity with a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new startup division a company that was called Shockley Semiconductor.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a division of another company called Beckman Instruments Incorporated.

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<v Speaker 1>So the founder of the parent company, Arnold O. Beckman,

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<v Speaker 1>was a chemist and inventor who saw a potential in

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new technology, one that was developed under the

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<v Speaker 1>management of William Shockley when he was working at Bell Labs.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be in the very late nineteen forties. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about William Shockley in old episodes of tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He led a solid state physics group in Bell Labs,

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<v Speaker 1>and under his watch that lab produced the world's first transistor.

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<v Speaker 1>It is impossible for me to overstate how important the

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<v Speaker 1>transistor is, how important it was, and how important it

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<v Speaker 1>continues to be. It really is the basis for all

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<v Speaker 1>of electronics moving forward from that point. So to call

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<v Speaker 1>it a pivotal moment is being, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of downplaying it. Really, Transistors can do all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of stuff that's useful in circuits, but like the

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<v Speaker 1>basic ones, or things like being a way to direct

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<v Speaker 1>electricity so that it flows along a specific path, or

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<v Speaker 1>to act as a switch to stop electricity from passing

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<v Speaker 1>through certain places, to being able to amplify a weak

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<v Speaker 1>signal into a stronger signal. Transistors would replace things that

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<v Speaker 1>were much larger components like vacuum tubes. So this meant

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<v Speaker 1>that the transistor would make it possible to miniaturize components

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<v Speaker 1>and create integrated electronics. So this is what allowed for

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<v Speaker 1>the era of miniaturization. When you hear things like a

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<v Speaker 1>transistor radio that was based upon this technology, and it

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<v Speaker 1>meant that a radio no longer had to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of furniture that was large and had to

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<v Speaker 1>sit either on top of a table or heck, it

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<v Speaker 1>might have been its own cabinet in the old radio days,

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<v Speaker 1>to something that you could fit in your pocket. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be what transistors would make possible, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>transform the technological world. So William Shockley his team developed

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<v Speaker 1>the very first transistor, and his research served as sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the foundation for this work. But it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>two of his lab text two of his employees who

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<v Speaker 1>did the actual building. It was John Bardeen and Walter Bretagne,

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<v Speaker 1>two of Shockley's team who created the first working transistor.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of animosity between Shockley and his team,

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<v Speaker 1>with disagreements regarding who should get credit for the invention

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of thing. Shockley was always upset whenever

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<v Speaker 1>there were patents being filed for technologies that came out

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<v Speaker 1>of his lab that didn't have his name on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then his team members would often bristle at that

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<v Speaker 1>saying like, yeah, but you didn't do it, so your

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<v Speaker 1>name shouldn't be on it. And it just turned out

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<v Speaker 1>that Shockley, like Edward Teller, was also notoriously difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>work with anyway. Putting aside his managerial limitations, Shockley had

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<v Speaker 1>received some support from Beckman to create Shockley Semiconductor Beckman

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<v Speaker 1>recognized that the semiconductor industry was going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>next really big thing, and he wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that he had a handle on it. So he felt

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<v Speaker 1>that it was important to have Shockley be able to

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<v Speaker 1>establish his own company. Although he had some reservations about

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<v Speaker 1>Shockley's ability to lead people, it turns out those reservations

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<v Speaker 1>were well founded. One thing Shockley did have, though, was

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<v Speaker 1>a really good eye for talent. He started to recruit

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<v Speaker 1>very bright prospects. Folks fresh out of postgraduate studies who

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<v Speaker 1>were on the cutting edge of scientific research were among

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<v Speaker 1>the top candidates. One person he had his zion was

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Moore. Gordon Moore was someone that Shockley approached during

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting of the American Physical Society, so he actually

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<v Speaker 1>recruited more in person. In other cases, he reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to various West Coast post graduates, and in a few

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<v Speaker 1>cases he actually got attention by running advertising in the

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast because at the time, the semiconductor transistor world was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of coalescing in the New York area. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Labs was located. So that was a challenge because

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<v Speaker 1>Shockley was locating his lab on the West coast. So

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<v Speaker 1>to attract more talent, he actually ran essentially classified ads

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<v Speaker 1>in newspapers in the Northeast to attract people. And so

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<v Speaker 1>this initial group came together to become the first team

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<v Speaker 1>at Shockley Semiconductor. All right, I've got more to say

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened over at Shockley and how Moore's career

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<v Speaker 1>would go from there. But before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. Okay, So Gordon Moore joins

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<v Speaker 1>a team along with a bunch of other notable people

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<v Speaker 1>in technology over at Shockley Semiconductor, and it would not

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<v Speaker 1>take long for things to go sour. More and his

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<v Speaker 1>co workers faced very tough conditions. They didn't always agree

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<v Speaker 1>with each other. For one thing, they had different ideas

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<v Speaker 1>of what the best approach was toward developing semiconductors and transistors,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was some disagreement even within their community of coworkers.

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<v Speaker 1>But more than that, William Shockley was an aggressive, autocratic,

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<v Speaker 1>and paranoid employer. I get the sense that he felt

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<v Speaker 1>the need to be the smartest person in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he also gathered together talent for his pledgling

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<v Speaker 1>company that consisted of some of the brightest minds and

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<v Speaker 1>science and engineering of the day. He reportedly distrusted the

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<v Speaker 1>work that his team created and would send the output

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<v Speaker 1>to contexts that he still had at Bell Labs to

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<v Speaker 1>double check their work. Which if you are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a pre eminent researcher in your field, you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be insulted if your employer says, well, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just send this off to a competitor to double

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<v Speaker 1>check your numbers. Shockley also insisted on testing each person

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<v Speaker 1>with psychological analysis before hiring them on which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and Moore had already gone through when he had applied

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<v Speaker 1>for dal Chemical. William Shockley also allegedly planned to force

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<v Speaker 1>his entire team to submit to a lie detector test

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, but because everyone objected to it, he

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<v Speaker 1>let it drop. And I know that I talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about demanding bosses in tech, you know, folks like

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Cook or Elon Musk, who would demand that employees

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<v Speaker 1>returned to the office. But honestly, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>what William Shockley did, they ain't got nothing on him.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Gordon Moore had joined Shockley Semiconductor in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six. By mid nineteen fifty seven, things had approached

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<v Speaker 1>a point where they were intolerable. So more, with the

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<v Speaker 1>support of several of his compatriots, met with Arnold Beckman,

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of the parent company that Shockley Semiconductor was under,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, Hey, either Shockley goes or we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot continue this. You need to remove Shockley from

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<v Speaker 1>being in a management position, put someone who has actual

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<v Speaker 1>management experience in his role, and I don't know, give

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<v Speaker 1>Shockley like a really cushy professor position at some university.

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<v Speaker 1>But Beckman declined to acquiesce to this request, and so

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<v Speaker 1>in September nineteen fifty seven, Gordon Moore and seven others

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<v Speaker 1>who were important people with Shockley Semiconductor left and founded

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<v Speaker 1>a new company with the help of a wealthy entrepreneur

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<v Speaker 1>named Sherman Fairchild. Fairchild already had a couple of companies

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<v Speaker 1>to his name, including a camera company that worked closely

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<v Speaker 1>with the military, and so they created a division called

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<v Speaker 1>Fairchild Semiconductor. These eight defectors from Shockley Semiconductor became known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Traitorous Eight, though I don't know if Shockley

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<v Speaker 1>himself ever referred to them as the Traitors Eight. Shockley

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<v Speaker 1>would go on to alienate a lot more people and

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<v Speaker 1>sadly adopted increasingly extremist views as he got older, including

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<v Speaker 1>an interest in eugenics. But we'll leave him behind because

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<v Speaker 1>Gord Moorscher did. Now, if everyone within the eight were

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<v Speaker 1>on good terms with each other and were in agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with what the best approach to semiconductors and integrated circuits was,

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<v Speaker 1>our story would likely pretty much stay with Fairchild Semiconductor

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<v Speaker 1>from here on out. But they didn't. There were disagreements.

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<v Speaker 1>There were different teams that were focused on different pathways

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<v Speaker 1>toward a goal, pathways that were not compatible with one another,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there were disagreements between the different teams about

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<v Speaker 1>which design or methodology was the best one to pursue,

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<v Speaker 1>which one was going to create the superior product, and

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<v Speaker 1>things got pretty heated. They did have some unifying beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>There were things that the whole team agreed upon, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of those was that silicon was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the semiconductor material of the future. So at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>most research labs were working with germanium as the material

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<v Speaker 1>for semiconductors. But silicon is really very cheap. It is

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<v Speaker 1>like essentially sand, It's plentiful, it is not expensive, and

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<v Speaker 1>the group argued that it would allow for cheaper electronics

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<v Speaker 1>once you reached a point where the integrated circus you

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<v Speaker 1>were building were reliable and efficient, which would require a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of R and D to get there. But they

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<v Speaker 1>saw silicon as being the most promising of the materials

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<v Speaker 1>and something that would ultimately be scalable, that you would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to build much more complicated electronics using silicon

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<v Speaker 1>because of, you know, the fact that it's cheap and

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<v Speaker 1>plentiful and it wouldn't be holding you back. So they

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about a future where electronics would become so

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<v Speaker 1>inexpensive that it would actually be less costly to just

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<v Speaker 1>go out and buy a new whatever it was, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than to have your broken one repaired. World's turn on

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<v Speaker 1>such thoughts. Fairchild Semiconductor began producing transistors and found customers

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of other big companies like IBM, so

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<v Speaker 1>Fairchild was not selling stuff straight to consumers. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go into your store and buy a fair Child Semiconductor product.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead other companies that would use these components to build

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<v Speaker 1>out their products, which you might possibly buy, although IBM

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't selling directly to consumers at that time either, so

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<v Speaker 1>the computer systems they were designing were for big companies

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<v Speaker 1>or the military. In fact, one of the earliest uses

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<v Speaker 1>for Fairchild semiconductors was in a computer system that was

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<v Speaker 1>for a military bomber. One of Gordon Moore's co workers

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<v Speaker 1>and also someone with whom Moore would clash, was Jean Hoernie. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean developed a new process for transistor manufacturing that improved

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<v Speaker 1>reliability and performance, and all Gordy and Jean were leading

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<v Speaker 1>to different groups that we're working on different approaches to transistors,

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<v Speaker 1>and this would cause a bit of a divide, especially

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<v Speaker 1>since Gordon Moore had the ear of Robert Noyce, who

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of seen as a leader within the group.

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<v Speaker 1>So Moore was able to get his projects moved forward,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes at the expense or at least perceived to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the expense of others like Jean hoo Ernie, and

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<v Speaker 1>so there was tension within the group. By nineteen sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fairchild team oversaw the development of a silicon wafer

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<v Speaker 1>containing a four transistor circuit on it. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge deal. I mean, four transistors is nothing today, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about we're in an era where billions of

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<v Speaker 1>components are on a microprocessor we have far far outstripped

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<v Speaker 1>the capabilities of the nineteen sixty four transistor circuit, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the time it was truly a remarkable achievement. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the first integrated circuit that used silicon as the

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<v Speaker 1>semiconductor material. So fair Child was not the first company

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<v Speaker 1>to develop an integrated circuit, because Texas Instruments had already

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<v Speaker 1>done it. Jack Kilby had created an integrated circuit, but

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<v Speaker 1>that one used germanium as the semiconductor material, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had done that back in nineteen fifty eight. The fair

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<v Speaker 1>Child integrated circuit was the first to use silicon, and

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<v Speaker 1>unlike germanium, silicon was much more cheap and plentiful and

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<v Speaker 1>thus scalable. It made integrated circuits a viable technology for

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of applications, including cheap electronics. So again, this

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those developed ments that would really shape

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<v Speaker 1>the way technology would evolve from that point forward. By

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen sixty one, the Traitorous eight had split into

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<v Speaker 1>two groups of four because four of the eight would

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<v Speaker 1>leave Fairchild Semiconductor and join a different company called Amelco,

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<v Speaker 1>but Gordon Moore stayed with Fairchild along with Robert Noise,

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<v Speaker 1>and they continued to work on integrated circuits at Fairchild Semiconductor.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty five, Gordon More submitted an article to

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<v Speaker 1>the journal Electronics that would forever be associated with him.

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<v Speaker 1>That article has the title Cramming More Components onto Integrated Circuits,

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<v Speaker 1>but the observation More made in that article would later

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<v Speaker 1>be dubbed by Carver Mead of cal Tech as Moore's Law.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain more about Moore's law when we come back

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<v Speaker 1>from this quick break. Okay, So if you read Cramming

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<v Speaker 1>More Components onto Integrated Circuits, which you can do. The

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<v Speaker 1>article is freely available on the internet. You can just

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<v Speaker 1>search for that title or search Gordon More article. They'll

0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 1>find lots of links to it. Moore has a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of bangers right out of the gate. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>might not think of them as that exciting, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think they were incredibly prescient. So the opening statement says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>with unit cost falling as the number of components per

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<v Speaker 1>circuit rises by nineteen seventy five, economics may dictate squeezing

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<v Speaker 1>as many as sixty five thousand components on a single

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<v Speaker 1>silicon chip end quote. He also says at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the article quote the future of integrated electronics is

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<v Speaker 1>the future of electronics itself end quote. And yeah, these

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<v Speaker 1>were really good observations. So what the heck is this

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<v Speaker 1>article all about. It's mostly covering how economics push companies

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<v Speaker 1>to develop increasingly smaller components for integrated circuits and how

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<v Speaker 1>those circuits power new kinds of electronics, and this perpetuates

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<v Speaker 1>the need to pour more money into developing ways to

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<v Speaker 1>cram even more components onto an inch of silicon wafer

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<v Speaker 1>like a square inch of silicon wafer. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the cycle of being able to create more powerful chips,

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<v Speaker 1>which then drives down the cost per component on the chip.

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<v Speaker 1>The chips themselves might get more expensive, but the components

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<v Speaker 1>get less expensive the actual individual components on the chip

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<v Speaker 1>do and that this in turn creates the ability for

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<v Speaker 1>companies to make cheaper electronics, which goes onto fuel the

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<v Speaker 1>development cycle. So again, this cyclical pattern that allows for

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<v Speaker 1>the progression of of chip development. So balancing this out

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<v Speaker 1>is the scale of production and the ability to integrate

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.879
<v Speaker 1>these circuits into different products. So it almost becomes like

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<v Speaker 1>a you can make it up in volume, because even

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<v Speaker 1>though the component price might go down. The fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're putting more components on a chip means the individual

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<v Speaker 1>chip might get more expensive to make. So yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>per component, you're spending less, but then you're cramming way

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<v Speaker 1>more components on a chip, so you spend more. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, you have to find that sweet spot,

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<v Speaker 1>that spot where the cost of manufacturing makes sense and

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<v Speaker 1>that you're able to achieve profit by integrating that circuit

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<v Speaker 1>into whatever electronic product you're pushing out there. Then more

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<v Speaker 1>makes another observation that quote the complexity for minimum component

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<v Speaker 1>costs has increased at a rate of roughly a factor

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<v Speaker 1>of two per year end quote. So here he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how using the most cost effective means of producing

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<v Speaker 1>integrated circuits, you would expect to see circuit complexity double

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<v Speaker 1>every year, at least over the short term. And he

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<v Speaker 1>does acknowledge that this should change a little bit over time,

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<v Speaker 1>but that within ten years time from the publication of

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<v Speaker 1>the article quote, the number of components per integrated circuit

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<v Speaker 1>for minimum costs will be sixty five thousand end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>So again he's saying that based upon what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>right now, we should see the number of components on

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<v Speaker 1>a square inch of silicon chip double every year. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>it would be every two years. So the entire article,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said's available online. You can read the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does touch on some other elements besides the

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<v Speaker 1>economic factors that drive the development in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>including stuff like dealing with the heat that's generated by

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<v Speaker 1>an integrated circuit that has tens of thousands of components

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>that are all crammed next to each other. But later

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<v Speaker 1>on people would reframe More's observation a bit and they

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<v Speaker 1>started to look at it from a slightly different angle.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of talking about the economic factors that would

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<v Speaker 1>allow for this to happen and ultimately would result in

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper electronics, they saw it as every two years, companies

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<v Speaker 1>double the number of components. Typically we're talking about transistors

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<v Speaker 1>that they can fit on a silicon wafer. Later on,

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 1>people would reframe it even more and say that essentially

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<v Speaker 1>this means that computer companies double the processing power or

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases, processing speed every two years. So you

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<v Speaker 1>could say that if you order to buy a brand

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<v Speaker 1>new computer today, that brand new computer would be twice

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<v Speaker 1>as powerful as a similar model that you had purchased

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<v Speaker 1>two years earlier. Now this also depends upon how you

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<v Speaker 1>define powerful, So there's there's a lot of wiggle room

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<v Speaker 1>for a law. Most laws don't allow for that much

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<v Speaker 1>wiggle room, but Moore's law does. But again, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>this all stems from an observation about the economics of

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<v Speaker 1>producing semiconductor chips. It has since been seen as a

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<v Speaker 1>benchmark that semiconductor companies aim to maintain. There's this pressure

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up with the demands or expectations that have

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<v Speaker 1>been set by Moore's law. Now everyone pretty much acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>that this trend is not infinitely sustainable, and that we're

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<v Speaker 1>already bumping up against the physical limits of what we

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<v Speaker 1>can do with traditional microchip architecture. But there is still

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<v Speaker 1>this compulsion to keep the spirit of Moore's law going.

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<v Speaker 1>No one wants to be the one to say, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a good run. From here on out, we're

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to see progress at that same rate. It

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>will still see progress, but it's going to slow down.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it'll be every four or five years instead of

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<v Speaker 1>every two. Now I'm fairly sure that at the time

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Gordon Moore had no idea how widely known his observation

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>would become or the incredible impact it would have on

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the tech sector. But we're not finished with Gordon Moore yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So nineteen sixty five, he publishes this article. At that time,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still hard at work at Fairchild semi Conductor,

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>but things were a bit rocky over there. For a

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>few years, Fairchild was performing pretty well in the tech

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>sector because it didn't have that many competitors in the space,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the late nineteen sixties approached, that was starting

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<v Speaker 1>to change. And not helping things were some leadership struggles

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that were happening within Fairchild. So again, one of Moore's

0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>fellow Traitorous Eight members, Robert Noyce, had really been acting

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>as a leader among that group, and it was clear

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that he was seeking a leadership position at Fairchild as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But Fairchild had based its executive team out of its

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>main company, which was on the East Coast. So in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, the people who were overseeing Fairchild Semiconductor, they

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>weren't even located on the same coast as Fairchild Semiconductor.

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>They were managing it from across the United States. You know,

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>this is back in the nineteen sixties, right, So there

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>was a real disconnect there. You had people at Fairchild

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Semiconductor who felt that their executives had no real touch

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<v Speaker 1>on anything that they were doing, and therefore they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>really the right people to be placed in leadership positions.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also concerns about things like stock options, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that that compensation packages for a fair Child Semiconductor

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>were not equal to the amount of work the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of profit their division was contributing to the overall company.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was this feeling that Fairchild Semiconductor was making

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money for Fairchild, but that they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>being recognized for that, and in turn that Fairchild CEO

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<v Speaker 1>was using profits from the semiconductor division to fund acquisitions that,

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<v Speaker 1>to put it lightly, did not pan out. So Noise

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<v Speaker 1>and more were feeling like their work was being exploited

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<v Speaker 1>to fund bad business decisions, and also that they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>really being compensated properly. By nineteen sixty seven, the overall

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Fairchild company wasn't doing well and the board of directors

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>told its CEO to divest the company of those unprofitable acquisitions.

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<v Speaker 1>So at that point the CEO resigned and the board

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<v Speaker 1>very pointedly decided to avoid Noise as a replacement, even

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<v Speaker 1>though Noise had to step in at one point as

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<v Speaker 1>part of a management committee to lead fair Child Semiconductor

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<v Speaker 1>after the planned replacement a guy named Richard Hodgson didn't

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<v Speaker 1>pan out, so once Noise found out that there was

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<v Speaker 1>no chance he was going to get the job, even

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<v Speaker 1>after he had to step into handle the mess that

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<v Speaker 1>was left by the temporary CEO, he said, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out of here, and he convinced More to do

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the same. So the two ended up resigning from fair

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<v Speaker 1>Child Semiconductor. They did this in nineteen sixty eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>they turned to an investor they knew by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Arthur Rock, and together the three of them were

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<v Speaker 1>able to secure funding to found a new company. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the question came up, as what do we call

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<v Speaker 1>this new company. It's going to be a company that

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<v Speaker 1>makes semiconductors and transistors and integrated circuits, but what do

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<v Speaker 1>we call it. The first idea they dismissed right away,

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<v Speaker 1>which was to call it the more Noise Company. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you are going to buy electronic components, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to think about more noise than you know

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<v Speaker 1>competing products might have, right, So instead they went with

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<v Speaker 1>m Electronics or sometimes it was m in Electronics, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was a very temporary name. By the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the month, they had decided to change their company name

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<v Speaker 1>so that it would reflect what they were focusing on,

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<v Speaker 1>which were integrated electronics. So they wanted to call it Intel.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was one small hiccup, which was that there

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>was already a hotel chain called Intel Co. That had

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<v Speaker 1>trademarked the term Intel, so they had to actually negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>with Intelco. And purchase the rights to Intel, which they

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>did do and they were able to create their new company.

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<v Speaker 1>So the early focus for Intel was developing stuff like

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>metal oxide semiconductor or MOSS technologies. More would later say

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<v Speaker 1>that it was the perfect timing to get into that business,

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<v Speaker 1>that MOSS was a technology that was just difficult enough

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<v Speaker 1>to require ingenuity and innovation, but not so difficult that

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a startup would just falter right away while trying to

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<v Speaker 1>develop the tech, Intel became known for developing memory chips

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<v Speaker 1>in those early days. Memory is where computers store data

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<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of operations, and there are different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of memory. So there's like ROM that refers to read

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<v Speaker 1>only memory, so that's memory that holds data that a

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<v Speaker 1>computer can read from, but the computer cannot overwrite or

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.959
<v Speaker 1>change that data. Then there's RAM, or random access memory.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of acts like short term memory in people.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where computers will store data that they

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<v Speaker 1>may soon need for various operations. There are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>different types of RAM, and Intel's work in developing memory

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<v Speaker 1>chips solidified the company's spot in the tech sector, and

0:32:55.240 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it rapidly became quite successful. While Robert Noyce as the

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 1>corporate leader for the first seven years of Intel's existence,

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>he transitioned to become the chairman of the board in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy five, and at that time Gordon Moore became

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<v Speaker 1>Intel's president. Four years later, nineteen seventy nine, Gordon Moore

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>became the chairman of the board and the CEO of Intel.

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>He would lead the company in that role until nineteen

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven. At that point, he resigned as CEO, but

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>he remained the chairman of the board. He was named

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<v Speaker 1>chairman emeritus in nineteen ninety seven, and he finally resigned

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>his position on the board in two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 1>So he led Intel while the company was really starting

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<v Speaker 1>to become a powerful player in the tech space like

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<v Speaker 1>this is also the time where we started to see

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<v Speaker 1>the emergence of the personal computer and a lot of

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the things that Gordon Moore had predicted, this idea that

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>electronics and computer systems would become inexpensive enough for the

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>average person to be able to buy them, they were

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>becoming true. So the predictions he had made in the

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>sixties were starting to be realized in the seventies and eighties,

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:14.439
<v Speaker 1>and it really showed how his predictions were well founded, right.

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>It showed that good Moore had a lot of foresight

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>back in the sixties. And yeah, Intel would see even

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>greater heights after Moore's leadership. But the success really did

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>affect Moore's life significantly. He became a billionaire, and in fact,

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 1>he and his wife established philanthropic and charitable efforts for

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>lots of different causes, including things like environmental conservation. That

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>was really important to Gordon Moore, and he contributed a

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of money to conservation efforts, specifically in the San

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Francisco area, but he also funded science organizations, he funded

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>medical organizations. He and his wife were really passionate about

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>this and they ended up donating lots and lots like

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of millions of dollars billions, even to philanthropic efforts,

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>so he got a big name in that field as well.

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 1>He also was awarded more titles and awards and honorary

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>degrees and things of that nature from almost an endless

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>list of universities, research centers, and scientific organizations. It's easy

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to understand why because again his pivotal role in creating

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the integrated circuit. Like he was one, he was not

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the only person, he was one person who contributed to that,

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>but he consistently was an important figure in that. And

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>it's undeniable that the technology we have today it is

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the way it is largely because of Gordon Moore and

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the people he worked with. He retired to the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Hawaii. That's where he passed away on March twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, at the age of ninety four. And yeah,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>he leaves behind an incredible legacy. It sounds to me

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>like he wasn't always the easiest person to work with,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>although probably miles easier than people like William Shockley, but

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>he definitely had an incredible passion for his work and

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>for the science of chemistry. And you know, I really

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>find it amazing to see people who are lead researchers

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 1>in a field, in a scientific field, who then are

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>able to leverage the things they learn into practical applications.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you make that transition from science into technology,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just science realized for practical applications, That to

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>me is where the magic happens. I know that it's

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a little contradictory. We're not really talking magic, but you

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>know kind of what I mean that inspiration that to

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>me is a very very human quality. All right, that's

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