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Speaker 2: at this time. Also football last night as the Chargers

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Speaker 2: the gambling probe. The FBI involved in this. This is

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Speaker 2: I'll start with the Chargers rolling the Vikings last night

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Speaker 2: because this was one of those games you gotta win.

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Speaker 2: There's certain games during the year where you go, you

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Speaker 2: gotta win that one. There's other games where you go,

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Speaker 2: you might win that one. There are other games where

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Speaker 2: you hope to win that one. This was one with

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Speaker 2: the Chargers trying to write the ship a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But I think the bigger picture here is the Vikings

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Speaker 2: because JJ McCarthy haven't gotten any updates yet on that

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Speaker 2: high ankle spring, but he's been out for six weeks,

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Speaker 2: and Carson Wentz is not the answer. And this is

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Speaker 2: where you can't help but think that Sam Darnold has

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Speaker 2: played well, and Danny Dimes is playing well, and Kirk

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Speaker 2: Cousins could have been available to you to come back,

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Speaker 2: and Aaron Rodgers flirted with you. He chose a different direction.

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Speaker 2: You chose a different direction. And I know that's this

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Speaker 2: is hindsight, but this is a situation where you've got

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Speaker 2: the best receiver in the game, and I wonder at

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Speaker 2: what point Justin Jefferson says, get me out of here,

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Speaker 2: get me out of here, And I think that that's real.

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Speaker 2: He's got eight thousand career yards and this is This

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Speaker 2: is a situation where I felt like it's they got everything,

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Speaker 2: but they don't have a quarterback. Whether offensive line isn't

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Speaker 2: very good. In fairness to Carson Wentz, he got sacked,

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Speaker 2: he got hit a lot last night, an interception, doesn't

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Speaker 2: look like he's comfortable back there. And I could understand

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Speaker 2: that if you don't have an offensive line, I don't

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Speaker 2: care what else you have, your quarterback is not going

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Speaker 2: to be successful. And Carson Wentz needs help anyway, and

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Speaker 2: he does not have that. But at what point does

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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson say, you know, I need somebody to throw

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Speaker 2: me the ball. I'm in my prime. This is like

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Speaker 2: the Bengals T Higgins, Jamar Chase. That's why I said,

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Speaker 2: don't waste another year. Get a quarterback who can help

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Speaker 2: you and Joe Flacco. Maybe he can come to the rescue.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he can keep you afloat during the regular season.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you get Joe Burrow back. Even if JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 2: And in that division with the Lions, the Bears are

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Speaker 2: record in the NFC. Time's running out, And that was

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Speaker 2: what I kept thinking when I was watching last night.

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Speaker 2: Time is running out on the Vikings. Justin Jefferson had

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Speaker 2: seven catches seventy four yards, so he's got eight thousand

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Speaker 2: six years, one hundred twenty nine days, so he's one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight days younger than Randy Moss was

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Speaker 2: And I still go back to Brian Flores in that

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Speaker 2: Vikings defense, and boy, they changed the NFL, and he

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Speaker 2: likes to do a lot of things. He'll make you

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable and maybe not, so you can put a lot

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Speaker 2: of blame on Carson Wins. The defense, by all accounts,

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Speaker 2: is still one of the elite defenses. They didn't punt

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Speaker 2: thirty seven to ten the final. All right, Seaton, what's

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Speaker 2: the poll question for the first hour of the program.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know how to start with pole questions

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Speaker 4: for the gambling thing. Yeah, we did a few yesterday,

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Speaker 4: but good grief.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, looking at the last twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: this is the perception. Let's say, six months from now.

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Speaker 2: Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups totally exonerated, Damon Jones totally exonerated.

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Speaker 3: It feels like this is going.

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Speaker 2: To be lasting because it felt like, if you're a fan,

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Speaker 2: you probably already have suspicions. Most fans are like, ah,

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Speaker 2: kind of is a stamp that stays on you. It's

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Speaker 2: like when you go to the nightclub and you still

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Speaker 2: have the stamp on you the next day and you

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Speaker 2: can't get it off. That's what this feels like. It's

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Speaker 2: just perception in reality. Now it could turn out to

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Speaker 2: the NBA. You got all these new TV partners, NBC

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Speaker 2: Peacock spent billions of dollars on this, ESPN brought in

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Speaker 2: the TNT guys. I mean, this was a big rollout.

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Speaker 2: Everything's gone great until the FBI stepped in. But try

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Speaker 2: there was so much involved in this, and then the

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Speaker 2: Mafia's involved. In this, and then are you giving information

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Speaker 2: who are you giving the information to? How much money

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Speaker 2: are you getting kicked back if you take part in

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Speaker 2: these poker games? I mean, and everybody says the same

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Speaker 2: thing about that. Chauncey Billets made a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: I've never met somebody who's made too much money or

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Speaker 2: doesn't want to lose money. I mean, I Chauncey Billups, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and this happened before he got there. But he knows,

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Speaker 2: he knows that he can't do this. Damon Jones. I

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Speaker 2: assume all of these guys know that they can't do this.

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Speaker 2: But the you know, when you have individual prop bets

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Speaker 2: that I've been screaming about this, don't let college kids

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Speaker 2: have prop bets attached to them. There's already enough pressure

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Speaker 2: don't like prop bets. And we always think, oh, you know,

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Speaker 2: do this? Now, Terry Rogier is not a big name.

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Speaker 2: Damon Jones is not a big name. It's guys who

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Speaker 2: need the money. They get information. If Damon Jones knows

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Speaker 2: somebody who says Lebron's not playing, then you give that information.

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Speaker 3: That's so valuable.

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Speaker 2: Terry Rosier, Hey, I'm going to pull myself out of

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Speaker 2: a game. Bet the under on my props, you know.

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Speaker 2: And you never think somebody's watching. If you go to

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Speaker 2: Michael Porter's brother, Johntay Porter, he's probably thinking, I'm in Toronto,

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Speaker 2: I'm on the bench. Nobody cares. Well, Vegas cares because

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Speaker 2: Vegas monitors all of this. They have to. If they

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Speaker 2: see a spike, where what are the normal prop bets

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Speaker 2: Probably not a lot until there is and everybody wants

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Speaker 2: their piece, and then they go, well, nobody'll know that

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Speaker 2: I put ten grand on this. Nobody's going to know

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Speaker 2: that I put fifteen on this. Well, then you add

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Speaker 2: away with this. Vegas is your watch dog. But there's

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Speaker 2: so much illegal betting. There's billions and billions and billions

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Speaker 2: information here. Spoke to a source yesterday who said an

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Speaker 2: individual who bets on sporting events checks their betting app

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Speaker 2: and average of two hundred and ten times a day.

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Speaker 2: up to two thousand mic bets. So these are bets

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Speaker 2: on the pitch, the swing, the hit, the run available

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Speaker 2: per baseball game, per Major League Baseball game, two thousand

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Speaker 2: micro bets. Ninety percent of your gambling is done online,

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Speaker 2: and at least six percent of individuals who gamble are

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Speaker 2: addicted to doing so. These are real numbers. Okay, they're

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Speaker 2: real numbers, And I caution you, Yes, DraftKings is a partner,

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Speaker 2: but I'm telling you to have fun with this. You

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Speaker 2: That's where it started for me, and that's where it metastasizes.

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Speaker 2: And then you're putting things on a credit card or

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Speaker 2: you're taking your parents' credit card. It's all real. This

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Speaker 2: is all real. I know, it's entertainment to see all

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Speaker 2: a gambling addiction. It's real. And you know, we all

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Speaker 2: what this does to the NBA, This could be one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest scandals that's happened in our lifetime. They

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Speaker 2: said it's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't

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Speaker 2: know who else is involved in this, but there was

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Speaker 2: a report that was Chauncey Billups giving information on a

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Speaker 2: game where he's telling people we're going to tank, We're

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Speaker 2: going to tank, We're going to have our first you know,

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Speaker 2: four guys sit down and a lot of people bet

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Speaker 2: on that bet on that game. So now you're fixing

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Speaker 2: a game. And I mean you're committing a crime here.

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Speaker 2: Terry Rozier prop bet he was investigated before this, Damon Jones.

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Speaker 2: He was getting information is Lebron going to play? I'm

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Speaker 2: told Lebron's not going to play? And then you give

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Speaker 2: that information out and then they have text messages. Those

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Speaker 2: text messages don't go away, folks. As a friend of

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Speaker 2: mine who worked for the FBI, he's like, you can

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Speaker 2: delete them, Oh, we still got them. And that's what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean I have one for sure, goof

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Speaker 5: Real flush is funnier.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, Todd, I got to kick out of the

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Speaker 6: couldn't use more gambling analogies. With sports, everything was like

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Speaker 2: Well that's sometimes I'll be around people and they think

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Speaker 3: You just talk to me.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to use the analogies. Oh, I couldn't

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Speaker 5: He accused her on house arrests. There's no traveling, get that, NBA.

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Speaker 3: He took a gamble and it's game over for all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's assume these accusations are real and they

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's sports crimes, and there's crimes crimes and billips.

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Speaker 2: Well if he did this now and wasn't in the

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Speaker 7: Exactly, agree, Dan, you don't want to be loved in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up.

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Speaker 2: Don't get that many opportunities for your oj impersonation anymore.

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Speaker 5: I think the toughest thing is for the NBA is

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Speaker 5: They've got more ammunition. They always had Tim Donneghe, you

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the odds here for Chauncey Billups for

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Speaker 3: That's too sick.

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Speaker 6: Hello, incentsive.

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Speaker 5: He was playing a game of chaunts.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you, I don't know if you know

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Speaker 3: that corner. Quietly, let you guys take it.

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Speaker 2: I blew right by the Meat Friday menu. We have

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Speaker 3: Yes, is that some kind of Russian food? What's the poutine? Canadian?

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Speaker 2: You've never heard of poutine?

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Speaker 2: Wow, we really hit the jackpot with this menu. I

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Speaker 2: think you took an over here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah so far.

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Speaker 2: I think you went over the first second.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I can get out of the

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Speaker 5: hole that I've been Right now, Chauncey Bellis is having

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you double down? Okay, okay, how about we

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Speaker 2: up as well. Cindy and North Carolina while we wait

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Speaker 2: for Brian Winhorse from the Mothership. Hi Cindy, what's on

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Speaker 9: Hi, long suffering Dolphins fan here. As I was watching

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Speaker 2: Well, you were a playoff team and they probably looked

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Speaker 5: And when there's a backup quarterback, the promo has to pivot.

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Speaker 5: It can't be Carson Wentz Justin Herbert. It's gotta be

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Speaker 2: Stu in Indiana, Hi Stu, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 5: Hi Dan?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call? Yeah, I just had a

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Speaker 2: Win a state title. Yeah, that was Oscar Robertson's team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You have this final seconds turnover and you know Jimmy

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Speaker 2: It felt like they were taking cutaways and putting him

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Speaker 2: But I thought, if I'd come up on you, then

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why all the greatness of Dean Smith. And

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Speaker 2: four corners. Hey, let's go watch a team stall.

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Speaker 3: North Carolina of all like you have. You got a

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Speaker 3: Then, but if you go to North Carolina, you're somebody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh you know what, let's just stall were U,

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Speaker 2: Jason Jason in Phoenix, Hi, Jason, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 12: Thanks for taking my call?

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Speaker 9: Guys.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty not happy right now. Like two

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Speaker 12: It's just a it's a monopoly and then shake go

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Speaker 12: to Alexander Man. This push off thing, it just I

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Speaker 12: played basketball. I cannot stand. I want to like literally

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Speaker 12: fight him, like watching him push off his people and

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Speaker 12: like the reps are not calling it, Like what the.

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Speaker 2: Heck Jason got anger issues?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, push off?

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Speaker 2: It's okay, you know, great players get away with stuff. Yeah,

440
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: but he's pushing off. I know he is.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: Not to the point where you should want to fight

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Speaker 2: Shay Gilgios, Alexander our No.

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Speaker 3: When to have Paul question like the tush push bothers me.

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Speaker 5: But Kelsey, I'm not going to come.

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Speaker 2: From I'm not going after you know, Jalen Herds. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's see Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 11: Hey Dan? Good morning?

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, I've always been in big component Oh right, sorry,

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Speaker 11: I've always pushed that the NBA is not really the

452
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Speaker 11: NFL is not really to fight back against everybody who

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Speaker 11: claims it is. I still don't believe that it is.

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Speaker 11: But just watching this go down, it's it's crazy. I

455
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Speaker 11: was watching ESPN yesterday, Greene had Shams on and on

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Speaker 11: the bottom ticker. It was a promo for ESPN bet

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Speaker 11: and it's just like, while they're talking about the gambling situation,

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Speaker 11: It's like, what what what would they what would have

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Speaker 11: to happen for gambling to be outlawed again?

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Speaker 7: It's not happening.

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Speaker 2: That chip has that yacht has sailed. It's on a

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Speaker 2: ship for that it's it's it's a yacht. Brian win Horse,

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Speaker 2: ESPN senior NBA writer, Wendy, thanks for joining us. I

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Speaker 2: know you're busy. When did you get a heads up

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Speaker 2: that there was something going on here? Let's start with

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Speaker 2: Chauncey billups We knew about Terry Rougier, but Chauncey billups An,

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Speaker 2: he heads up.

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Speaker 13: Good morning, Dan. I had no heads up, and I'm

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Speaker 13: not sure Chauncey did either.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 13: I was here in la and stay at the same

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Speaker 13: hotel as the Timberwolves, and I ran into some Timberwolves

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Speaker 13: folks yesterday in the hotel, like an hour after this happened.

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Speaker 13: And they had been in Portland the night before they

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Speaker 13: played against the Blazers. Some of the players, some of

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Speaker 13: the folks I talked to who said they had talked

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Speaker 13: to Chauncey. They complimented him on the way the team looked.

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Speaker 13: They had a real close game, came right down to

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Speaker 13: the final minute, and their home opener against Minnesota. Chauncey

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Speaker 13: talked about how excited he was about the team, about

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Speaker 13: how good of a training camp they had. I don't

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Speaker 13: think Chauncey knew it was coming either. Maybe he knew

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Speaker 13: he was the subject of an investigation, that's possible, but

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Speaker 13: the fact that he was going to get arrested in

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Speaker 13: the in the you know, wee hours, I don't think

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Speaker 13: he knew was coming. I'm not sure how much heads

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Speaker 13: up the NBA had. I'm sure they knew it before

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Speaker 13: I did, but I'm not sure that's how the FEDS operate.

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Speaker 2: What's the worst accusation pertaining to the NBA in your opinion.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that.

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Speaker 13: This is a scandal that rocks the NBA to its core.

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Speaker 13: I know that there are people that are going to

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Speaker 13: use it to say that, and certainly their association with

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Speaker 13: with sports betting can be called into question, as all

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Speaker 13: people associated with sports can be ESPNS can be.

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Speaker 7: This.

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Speaker 13: Really, there's two accusations here, and I think the poker

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Speaker 13: stuff is fascinating. I mean, you know this is right

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Speaker 13: out of a movie. You're talking about mob stuff, you're

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Speaker 13: talking about cheating at poker games, rigging poker games. That

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Speaker 13: was all interesting at the press conference. None of that

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Speaker 13: has anything to do with the NBA. Now there are

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Speaker 13: potentially NBA people who were at these games. I'm sort

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Speaker 13: of fascinated that the Justice Department seems interested in protecting

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Speaker 13: the rights of people playing in illegal poker games, like

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Speaker 13: they're worried about the victims playing illegal poker games. But

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Speaker 13: that's for another day. But the Genavizi crime family or

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Speaker 13: whatever I laughed out loud about four times at that

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Speaker 13: press conference, that has nothing to do with the NBA.

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Speaker 13: There's two different cases here. They were tied together in

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Speaker 13: the announcement, and I understand why they did that. Within

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Speaker 13: the Within the case against the folks involved with the NBA,

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Speaker 13: there are two different accusations. One is that that that

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Speaker 13: two players took themselves out of games so they're unders

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Speaker 13: would hit. Both of them were publicly known John tay

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Speaker 13: Porter has already played guilty uh and has probably been

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Speaker 13: an informant on this case. The other, Terry Rozier, was

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Speaker 13: known and was investigated by the league, and he continued

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Speaker 13: to play, and that's definitely something the league has to address,

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Speaker 13: and I will I've talked to Lee about that, and

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Speaker 13: I'll tell you in a minute what they said. That

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Speaker 13: is certainly a concern. That is not something that was

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Speaker 13: new news. It was new that Terry Rozier got federal charges,

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Speaker 13: but that was not new. So can you can be

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Speaker 13: upset by that, but it was something the league was

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Speaker 13: already aware of. The Other thing that was accused was

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Speaker 13: three different individuals were accused of leaking information to betters

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Speaker 13: about who's going to be available in the games. One

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Speaker 13: was Chauncey Billups, one was Damon Jones, and one is

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Speaker 13: an indirect Orlando Magic player that was unnamed or the

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Speaker 13: magic player told somebody who told somebody else, and they

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Speaker 13: don't even indict anybody there. And that has been a

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Speaker 13: soft target for the NBA DAN for decades. The team

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Speaker 13: decides or knows when a star player or any player

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Speaker 13: is going to play in the morning usually and then

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Speaker 13: doesn't reflect it on the end report because they're worried

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Speaker 13: about strategy and letting the other team know. And there's

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Speaker 13: this window of hours where there's inside information available. People

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Speaker 13: have exploited that for decades, and that is what Chauncey

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Speaker 13: Billups and Damon Jones are being accused of. There's a

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Speaker 13: problem the NBA has tried to address. They've tightened their

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Speaker 13: injury reporting rules, they've fined teams for not following them,

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Speaker 13: but there's still a window there that can be exploited

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Speaker 13: and that's what this is. So it's definitely serious. The

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Speaker 13: NBA has got to worry about prop betting, and the

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Speaker 13: Adam Silver has talked about this, but this is the

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Speaker 13: addressing of a problem that has existed for a long time.

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Speaker 13: It's not nothing, but I don't think it's like a

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Speaker 13: scandal that's rocking the league. They're gonna have to change

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Speaker 13: some policies, but it's and it's mostly shocking that it

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Speaker 13: ensnaes a Hall of Famer like Chauncey Billups. And let's

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Speaker 13: wait and see who else might get involved with a

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Speaker 13: poker because NBA guys like to play poker and they're

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Speaker 13: not all in casinos, so I'll see about that. But

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Speaker 13: this is huge headlines, but I'm not sure that this

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Speaker 13: is the dire scandal that it may seem. If you

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Speaker 13: just watched the press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Brian Windhorst of ESPN, senior NBA writer. The

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Speaker 2: one that stood out was Chauncey Billups letting somebody know

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Speaker 2: that he was going to be resting his starters, that

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Speaker 2: they were quote unquote tanking. That to me is troubling

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Speaker 2: because that's from a head coach. That's not a former

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Speaker 2: player like Damon Jones. That's a head coach. So that's

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Speaker 2: the one that's the most troubling for me.

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Speaker 13: I would agree, I would agree, and I would say

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Speaker 13: that in the indictment. And I'm only going by what's

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Speaker 13: in the indictment, Dan, and I will tell you the

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Speaker 13: indictments about forty pages long. I read the indictment from

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Speaker 13: front to back, and I'm not sure how many people

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Speaker 13: who are talking about the indictment actually read it. Okay,

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Speaker 13: So in the indictment, it doesn't accuse Chauncey Billups of

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Speaker 13: selling the information. It does accuse Damon Jones of selling

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Speaker 13: the information. In fact, in the indictment that names Chauncey

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Speaker 13: Bill actually doesn't name him. A first room was co

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Speaker 13: conspirator eight, but then gives his resume. It practically gives

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Speaker 13: social security number. It's very clear who it is. It

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Speaker 13: doesn't say that he did it for money. It doesn't

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Speaker 13: say what he did it for.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 13: Let's if it comes out that he knew that this

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Speaker 13: individual that he told was going to sell it to betters,

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Speaker 13: that's really bad. If if he had some sort of

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Speaker 13: you know, maybe he owed somebody money and did it

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Speaker 13: as a favor. If there was some sort of return

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Speaker 13: from that, then I think you're looking at something serious.

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Speaker 13: If it was just Chauncey having loose lips, and that

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Speaker 13: loose lips leading to hundreds of tens of thousand dollars

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Speaker 13: in betting winnings, that's different. The FBI does not accuse

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Speaker 13: him of selling it. The FBI accuses Damon Jones of

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Speaker 13: selling it. In fact, the FBI says that Damon sold

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Speaker 13: information on Lakers players to multiple games, and one of

592
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 13: the game proved to be wrong. The betters lost the bet,

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Speaker 13: and the guys wanted their money back. So I am

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Speaker 13: gonna it is very upsetting that Chauncey is involved in this.

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Speaker 13: The league has to take serious action as it involves

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Speaker 13: with their public information versus private information on player availability.

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Speaker 13: But I am not going to sit here and say,

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Speaker 13: oh my god, this is the end of the NBA,

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Speaker 13: and everything's got to be reevaluated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we have the headlines and their juicy,

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Speaker 2: and you're right, we don't do deep dives much anymore.

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Speaker 2: If you're Adam Silver, what would be your game plan

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Speaker 2: if you were advising him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: So the first thing I would say is the thing

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Speaker 13: that the league is going to have to address is

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00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 13: why Terry Rogier was investigated by the league and was

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Speaker 13: allowed to keep playing, and when the Feds investigate them,

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Speaker 13: they ended up indicting him. The league has a little

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Speaker 13: bit of egg on its face on this one. So

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Speaker 13: I asked a question of the league, how did that happen?

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Speaker 13: And this is the answer that they gave me on

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Speaker 13: the record. League spokesman Mike Bass I'll tell you his name,

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Speaker 13: but he's speaking for the Adam Silver. Basically, it's that

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Speaker 13: the NBA is not the Justice Department. They can't do

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Speaker 13: wire taps, they can't have witnesses roll over on each other,

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Speaker 13: they can't get access to everybody's text messages. They can

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Speaker 13: do investigator They can you know, they can get some

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Speaker 13: access to some people's phones. They can do investigations in

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Speaker 13: terms of you know, asking people and and sort of

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Speaker 13: threatening them and whatever. And I even asked them, I go, well,

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Speaker 13: what did you do in your investigation? And they say,

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Speaker 13: we're not going to say what we did because we

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Speaker 13: don't want everybody to know the taxics we use. But

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Speaker 13: they certainly don't have the Justice Department. And that sounds

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Speaker 13: a little upsetting, but it's also candid. You know, the

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00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 13: NBA saying we're not the Justice Department is a candid answer.

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Speaker 13: It's not a satisfactory answer, but it's a candid answer.

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Speaker 13: So now what Adam Silver is going to have to

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Speaker 13: do is explain what the league can do. Okay, they

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Speaker 13: can't be the Justice Department, but now it's incumbent on him,

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Speaker 13: but what they can do in these types of investigations.

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Speaker 13: And then here's something that's just got to be simple, Dan,

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Speaker 13: I've actually talked about this for years. They've just got

635
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 13: to be more honest with injuries. The teams cover up

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00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 13: injuries for strategic reasons. I'm not asking them to reveal

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 13: a player's exact health information and violate hippo laws. But

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00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 13: if forty people in the team organization, forty people want

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00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 13: to shoot around that morning and know that the star

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00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 13: player is not playing at six o'clock or at seven o'clock.

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Speaker 13: They need to tell the world that. And sometimes it

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00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 13: is a game time decision. Sometimes a star player has

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Speaker 13: to go out there and stretch out and see how

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Speaker 13: his calf fields and see how his wrist field or whatnot.

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Speaker 13: Sometimes the concussion protocol isn't determined until closer to the game.

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Speaker 13: So say that, you know, but there is this soft

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Speaker 13: target that the NBA has had for decades. I mean

648
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Speaker 13: reporters are asked to operate in that field all the time.

649
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Speaker 13: You are asked, you know, to come on television and

650
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Speaker 13: say whether Lebron James is playing or not, because maybe

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Speaker 13: we happen to know that he went through shoot around

652
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Speaker 13: or something like of love's nature. That is something that

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Speaker 13: the gamblers that tried to get the information and have

654
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Speaker 13: gotten that information for decades. So the NBA has got

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Speaker 13: to tighten that, and this investigation is probably going to

656
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Speaker 13: force them to do it. They have tightened it some.

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Speaker 13: They haven't just put their hands in their pockets. When

658
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Speaker 13: sports betting came in, they changed their rules, but the

659
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Speaker 13: rules haven't gone far enough. And this accusation is in

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Speaker 13: the cracks that there are still people operating in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to get rid of prop bets, you know,

662
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Speaker 2: especially college athletes. They should not be involved with prop bets.

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Speaker 2: There's enough pressure there. I don't know if I mean,

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Speaker 2: are we too far down the road that if the

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Speaker 2: NBA said to FanDuel DraftKings whoever Vegas, no more prop bets,

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Speaker 2: do they have any authority to do that.

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Speaker 13: That's not my end of the business. I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 13: I would say though, that, like, I've not seen gambling

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Speaker 13: walk back in one iota. Maybe maybe at some point

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Speaker 13: it will have to be just for society, but I

671
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Speaker 13: have I've only seen it go one way, and I

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Speaker 13: think you're right. I think the people that are that

673
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Speaker 13: are most susceptible to being compromised are people who have

674
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Speaker 13: nothing to lose. Okay, a lot of NBA players have

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Speaker 13: a lot to lose. Okay, even John tay Porter, who

676
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Speaker 13: was holding on to the NBA by the skin of

677
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Speaker 13: his teeth, had a lot to lose. College players, there

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Speaker 13: are certain college players who know their careers are not

679
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Speaker 13: going anywhere, who don't have anything to lose, and so

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Speaker 13: that's college's soft spot. Before I covered the NBA, I

681
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 13: covered the Mid American Conference. Okay, there's a ton of

682
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Speaker 13: players in that conference whose careers are going to end

683
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Speaker 13: and where they're at, they have nothing to lose. That's

684
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Speaker 13: a soft spot for college that may has not been

685
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Speaker 13: been a scandal yet, but I'd be worried about it,

686
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Speaker 13: just like you can find me talking about this this

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Speaker 13: gap that where the NBA, you know, the game time

688
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Speaker 13: decision gap. I've talked about that over the years. This

689
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Speaker 13: indictment surprised me in terms of Chauncey Billups being involved,

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Speaker 13: It did not surprise me that this is the spot

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Speaker 13: where gamblers could take advantage.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, have a good weekend. Thanks

693
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Speaker 2: for taking time. Thank you, Winny. That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN,

694
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Speaker 2: senior NBA writer. I remember being at the NBA Finals

695
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Speaker 2: and somebody had told me some information and I wasn't

696
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Speaker 2: passing it on. I'm not a gambler, but it was

697
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: valuable information to a gambler, and I, you know, I

698
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: didn't really think about it, and they probably didn't think

699
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: about it either. But if you put that in the

700
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Speaker 2: wrong hands, you know, that's that's when you have situations

701
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Speaker 2: like this, because and you know, Brian brings up great things,

702
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, like Chefty's going to find out a lot

703
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Speaker 2: of information, but he's got to be really careful in

704
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Speaker 2: what he says with that information because the amount of

705
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: money that's bet and you're talking about sometimes it's a

706
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Speaker 2: half point now, the over under, point spread, injury, who's hurt,

707
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Speaker 2: who might not play, who's not going to be one hundred?

708
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Speaker 2: Like just little things. And how many times do these

709
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: games come down to, Hey, usc Notre Dame? What was

710
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: the point spread? Nine and a half? Notre Dame one

711
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Speaker 2: by ten? And that's where people get misconstrued on oh,

712
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: it's fixed. No, that's Vegas doing its job. Vegas isn't

713
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: fixing these games. Vegas is really good at telling you

714
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Speaker 2: this is what's going to happen. And that was a

715
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Speaker 2: classic example. Is that so weird?

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Speaker 4: You though?

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Speaker 3: I know?

718
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Speaker 2: People, how are that good? I know? But people like

719
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Speaker 2: that's why it's fixed, you know, ten point spread and

720
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Speaker 2: they had it at nine and a half. I give

721
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Speaker 2: them credit. That's why I don't bet. I can't beat them.

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Speaker 2: Take a break the most must win game of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: We'll have that for you coming up. More of your

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Speaker 2: phone calls after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan

725
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Speaker 2: Patrick Show. Podcast. Be sure to catch you US live

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Speaker 2: every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine

727
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us

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Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream US live

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Speaker 2: on the Peacock app. We got time to do the

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Speaker 2: most must win game of the weekend before we get

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Speaker 2: to John Tesh Todd. I'm going to start with you

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Speaker 2: the most must win game of the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Is we touched on it earlier.

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Speaker 14: I've got to go Ravens four and two Bears, a

735
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Speaker 14: good team, but last call for the one in five

736
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Speaker 14: Ravens at.

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Speaker 2: Home and the Bears getting six and a half seaton the.

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Speaker 4: Purdue boiler Makers home against Rutgers. That is a must

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Speaker 4: win still yours. I'm sorry, that is a must win game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you got it, Marvin.

741
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Speaker 10: The Buffalo Bills, they got a two game losing streak.

742
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Speaker 10: It's a much approved Panthers team, but they got to

743
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Speaker 10: stay afloat they keep up with the Patriotes in the

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Speaker 10: AFC East.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going with the Bills.

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Speaker 2: But you don't have a starting quarterback for the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: Rice Rice is not playing. I don't think he Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm just even most muster. I'm just most mustard,

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Speaker 2: Sir Paulie, most must win game of the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Ole miss football. You had Georgia last week, you let

751
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Speaker 5: him slip by your cruising. Now you're at Oklahoma getting

752
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Speaker 5: a touchdown. You got to take care of Oklahoma. You

753
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Speaker 5: could be odd man out if you lose this Laten season.

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Speaker 2: I am going to say LSU against Texas A and M,

755
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Speaker 2: because then all of a sudden it starts to get

756
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Speaker 2: a whole lot warmer in Baton Rouge A and M

757
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Speaker 2: is a two and a half point favorite at LSU.

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Speaker 2: Todd also has sports names money related with Cash Patel,

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Speaker 2: the FBI Direct. Do you want to run through these

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Speaker 2: and then we'll welcome in John.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I'm sure I'm leaving some out, but just for fun.

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Speaker 14: Off of Cash Pattel, Cameron, Dollar, Don Money, Penny Hardaway,

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Speaker 14: Dave Cash, Rich, Aurelia, Gary Pateon, Buck Williams, Octavio dotel

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Speaker 14: Ac Green.

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Speaker 3: Panoit, Benjamin like the Benjamin's.

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Speaker 14: Ernie Banks, Jeff Van Notes, corn Bread, Maxwell, Rachel Nichols,

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Speaker 14: and lut Olsen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, loot Olsen, I love your emphasis.

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Speaker 3: The loot how was a late end. I was excited

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Speaker 3: about that. A lot of second loot money.

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Speaker 2: Lootle John Tashaw look at him, six time Emmy winner,

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Speaker 2: Radio Hall of Famer. He of course was on Entertainment tonight. Man.

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Speaker 2: He gave us round Ball Rock and he has come

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Speaker 2: out with a first album of all original music. It's

775
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Speaker 2: called Sports and he can talk about that coming up

776
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: as well. You've talked about that round Ball Rock helped

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Speaker 2: put your two kids through school. But what are you

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Speaker 2: making off of this round Ball Rock?

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Speaker 7: In nineteen ninety when I heard the story, when I

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Speaker 7: heard that NBC had gotten the rights to the NBA back,

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Speaker 7: I'm in that sports ecosystem right because I'm working for

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Speaker 7: the network doing other stuff, and uh, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 7: what would a sports theme? What would an NBA theme

784
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Speaker 7: sound like? And as the story goes, I woke up

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Speaker 7: in the middle of the night in majev France as

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Speaker 7: I was covering the Tour de France, and had a

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Speaker 7: melody in my head and it was kick cat kikkkkk

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Speaker 7: kick can't can And I knew that. I knew that

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Speaker 7: if I if I didn't, if I went back to sleep,

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Speaker 7: and I'm sure you've had this feeling you have a

791
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Speaker 7: great idea and you go back to sleep and it's gone.

792
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Speaker 7: I didn't have an answer. I didn't have a tape

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Speaker 7: recorder or anything to put it down sheet music, And

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Speaker 7: so I called my answering machine in the middle of

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Speaker 7: the night at two am and and recorded that. And

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Speaker 7: when I got home the two sections, you know, Kit

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Speaker 7: kick g Ki kick can't kick in and Ki kick

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Speaker 7: kick where on my answering machine?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Can I play that. One of the portions of this

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Speaker 2: is John Chesh calling himself.

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Speaker 7: Hi, this is a message for me about the NBA theme.

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Speaker 7: Here's an idea. It goes like this, Yeah, yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 7: That's that's the original. The original I've.

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Speaker 2: Been played over twelve thousand times, John, that's sports history.

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Speaker 7: Well. And and uh, it's supernatural for me because first

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00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 7: time it was on the air and I was sitting

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Speaker 7: in a bar watching it come on the air. I

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Speaker 7: had I had written hundreds of themes for for CBS,

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Speaker 7: in particular, uh, you know, football, everything for football to tennis,

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Speaker 7: and so this wasn't just another theme. It was sort

812
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Speaker 7: of bouncy and not as epic as as most of

813
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Speaker 7: the stuff that I But.

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Speaker 2: Are you telling people in the bar, hey, that's my theme.

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Speaker 7: I wrote that, Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: It didn't go well.

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Speaker 7: I was sitting there by im in Atlanta and its

818
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Speaker 7: San Antonio, I think was San Antonio versus the Lakers,

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Speaker 7: and I had no family or any of their fence

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Speaker 7: in Atlanta. So yeah, I went to a bar knowing

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Speaker 7: it was going to come on the air. And back then,

822
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Speaker 7: you know, only one network had the NBA, so it

823
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Speaker 7: was on every TV set and it was really loud,

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Speaker 7: and there was a lot of people in there watching it.

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Speaker 7: And so I'm sitting there for a while, and after

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Speaker 7: the third time it came on the air, I couldn't

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Speaker 7: help myself anymore, and I said to the bartender do

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Speaker 7: you hear that song? And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: he never did, right, And I go that I wrote that,

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Speaker 7: you know, and he goes, oh, yeah, you want another beer.

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Speaker 9: You know, And that was it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: So two days ago, whatever it was last Tuesday, I'm

834
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Speaker 7: sitting in a bar in New York City after doing

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Speaker 7: the Today Show with my family, the Italian family, watching

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Speaker 7: four TVs at the twenty five years later, you have

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Speaker 7: thirty five years later since its debuted, and so yeah,

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Speaker 7: and we got the same reaction.

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Speaker 2: But when I go to one of your concerts, how

840
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Speaker 2: long do I wait before you bring out round Ball Rock?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's really strategic because my concerts are women who

842
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Speaker 7: have dragged their boyfriends or their husband's to a johns

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Speaker 7: Hedge concert, and they do that because they're looking for

844
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Speaker 7: a little relationship cred right, a little yeah uh. And

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Speaker 7: so the husbands are are like this, you know, we

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Speaker 7: joke about in the band, you know, and so we

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Speaker 7: save it until like the second to last song, and

848
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Speaker 7: we because of ad libs, you know, the song is

849
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Speaker 7: only a minute four but we turn it into like

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Speaker 7: a fifteen minute segment why not right with stuff from

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Speaker 7: the Saturday Night Live bit and people learning how to

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Speaker 7: play it on all the different instruments, and people twirling

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Speaker 7: their batons, marching music to it, and and so this

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Speaker 7: becomes they lean over into their spouse and it's like no,

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Speaker 7: this is this is sorely it's like you know that

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Speaker 7: that kind of thing. So we finally get them, but

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Speaker 7: until that point, it's it's it's complete torture for the guys.

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Speaker 2: But you have some songs off your album Sports Chasing

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Speaker 2: Gold Over Time, Mile eighteen Dream Mile, Iron War ConA, Paris,

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Speaker 2: seventy eight. So obviously you love these sports. What is

861
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Speaker 2: it about sports that brings about a theme or you know,

862
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: it becomes anthemic to you in your mind.

863
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I do here in

864
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 7: my studio, I always have video playing. I have a

865
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 7: couple of you know, great loops highlights of many different sports,

866
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 7: and so I love that. I love that movement, and

867
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 7: it just it just the the experience of being there,

868
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 7: of being at the Iron Man, the experience of me

869
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 7: I ran five New York marathons poorly, of being in

870
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 7: the start house with Franz Klamer at the beginning of

871
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 7: the labber Horn downhill in uh in Veng in Switzerland,

872
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 7: or having you know, Carrie strug uh you use a

873
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 7: piece or or figure skaters from Russia using a piece

874
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 7: of mind to skate to the I love writing in

875
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 7: that format and and and basically it's all left turns.

876
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 7: You can't write verse, chorus, verse, chorus bridge, and then

877
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 7: you know, like the hit songs, it has to be

878
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 7: like okay, theme and then and then the brass hands

879
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 7: off to the strings, and the strings may play it again.

880
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 7: They hand off to maybe the drums, and so when

881
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 7: I turned Round Ball Rock in to to NBC, it

882
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 7: was fully formed like that, where there was a place

883
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 7: for the theme and the animation and the peacock to

884
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 7: open up, and then there was a floor with it

885
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 7: just went bump bomb ba bump, bump bump, blah blah

886
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 7: that so that Marv could say, here we go, this

887
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 7: is happening. And then and then at the end it

888
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 7: was just doom doom, doom doom, so that we could

889
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 7: go brought to you by Macy's and Kohle's and Bud

890
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 7: and that that kind of stuff. So knowing that, knowing

891
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 7: the segmentation of that, and that's what you hear on

892
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 7: the album Sports Too is the left turn. So it

893
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 7: might be in four to four rock four four, and

894
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 7: then it might go into a seven eight tempo, or

895
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 7: it might break down into just acoustic guitar, because that's

896
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 7: the way we work out right.

897
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: We're talking to John Jash National Radio Hall of Famer,

898
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: six time Emmy Award winner, won a couple of Grammys.

899
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: He created Round Ball Rock. Better themes so entertainment Tonight

900
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: or Round Ball Rock, Oh.

901
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 7: Round Ball Rock, I mean entertainment Tonight was what I

902
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 7: mean both Somebody in a review called, uh called round

903
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 7: Ball Rock the Hallelujah chorus for the NBA and and

904
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 7: and you can see it on people people now who

905
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 7: will say that when they hear those seven or eight notes,

906
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 7: that that always told them back in the day, run

907
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 7: to the run to the living room, because that was

908
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 7: the start of basketball. Was the same thing with entertainments.

909
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: Is this the Leonard Cohen like you're talking about Katie

910
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: Lang and you know, Hollylujah.

911
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: That that version.

912
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about, that that kind of

913
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: majestic song.

914
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no, no, they're just saying that that

915
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 7: it was that the the eight notes of round Ball

916
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 7: Rock was was a hallelujah the the NBA is on right, Okay, yeah, yeah,

917
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 7: it would be nice if it became that that that song.

918
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 7: But with Entertainment Tonight. I didn't write Entertainment Tonight, although

919
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 7: we did record it. I used people would would hum

920
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 7: that to me in airports, and you know, when I

921
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 7: flew to New York and came back, it wasn't that.

922
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 7: It was above blah blah blah blah basketball And and

923
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 7: people on X right have said over and over again

924
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 7: and even your fans. You know, hey, we want to

925
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 7: hear the lyrics first song. We don't a version of

926
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 7: the song, which also reminds me that, you know, when

927
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 7: NBC was experimenting during during the preseason, right on Peacock,

928
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 7: there was a there was a very serious conversation going

929
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 7: on about no, no, no, you can't. It has to

930
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 7: you can't edit the theme here. It has to hit

931
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 7: on this and it has to go like, you know,

932
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 7: like this, So fans are in charge now.

933
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: But did you ever think about lyrics for round Ball Rock?

934
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 7: Not until I saw the spoof on Saturday Night Live

935
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 7: when it when it became with Jason Siedeka's dressed like

936
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 7: me and my brother Dave. I don't have a brother,

937
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 7: day of Dave, Dave tesh and they and they were

938
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 7: auditioning the song for Vince Vaughan who was who was

939
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 7: supposed to be Dick Eversall at NBC and they and

940
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 7: they went blah blah blah blah blah, basketball game, gim

941
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 7: me give me the ball because I'm gonna dunk it.

942
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 7: And they would high five on the on the dunkets.

943
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 7: So there are a lot of people and by the way,

944
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 7: by the way, Dan that when that came out in

945
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 7: the sort of the nascency of of of YouTube, when

946
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 7: YouTube was coming of age, that's when the theme came back.

947
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 7: That was really the point that I can point to

948
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 7: because it was on the shelf for twenty years. When

949
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 7: ABC got the coverage away from from NBC back in

950
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 7: the day that was I went to I went to

951
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 7: ABC and said, hey, would you like another version of

952
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 7: this song? They said no, no, no, We're going to

953
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 7: do our own thing.

954
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: And I think the.

955
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 7: Reason for that was that this has always been the

956
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 7: NBA on NBC, and I think they're probably worried that

957
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 7: people were going to start turning in Nielsen ratings forms

958
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 7: with or I just saw it on NBC when they

959
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 7: saw it on ABC, if that makes any sense.

960
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: All right, before I let you go, can you give

961
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: us a little taste of round ball Rock?

962
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, I I'd love to. And this actually this song

963
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 7: and eleven other new songs is on. You mentioned the

964
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 7: sports side, the sports record, which is which is not

965
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 7: an easy listening record. It's a record that you would

966
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 7: want to you would want to exercise do.

967
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 3: So here we go.

968
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: Oh that was fun. How often does your wife stop

969
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: by and go, oh, no, not again around.

970
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 7: It's a such good questions because right over there is

971
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 7: we're in our house. Right right over there is my

972
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 7: wife's office, and there's a hallway here. And when I

973
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 7: was working on the sports record, and she would hear

974
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 7: hear me, you know whatever, whatever melodies it was, and

975
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 7: she would walk by and she'd go football, and I'd go, okay, okay,

976
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 7: up for this football. And then she'd hear something else

977
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 7: that she was walking back, and she'd go hockey, like hockey,

978
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 7: watch hockey, you know, hockey. And then she'd walk back,

979
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 7: you know, two days later, and she'd hear me do something.

980
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 7: She'd go, nope, that one's a horrible And so she's

981
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 7: definitely a producer on this record.

982
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again. Congrats on Round Ball

983
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: Rock Part two.

984
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 7: I'm a big fan.

985
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, Thank you, Buddy, John tesh That was good

986
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: playing a little round Ball Rock there.

987
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: I liked it.

988
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: Todd was, you know, bopping to the music there. It's good,

989
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: good sport there. And he's had some health issues, but

990
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: hopefully he's feeling a lot better. Round Ball Rock over

991
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: the course of twelve years, was played twelve thousand times

992
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: on NBC. It's been called the greatest sports theme ever written. Now,

993
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: I worked at ESPN and the Sports Center theme. I'm

994
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: going to put Sports Center up against Round Ball Rock.

995
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Anybody with me on that? Nobody's with me on that.

996
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 5: I'm with you. I think I probably did deada det more. Yeah,

997
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 5: in the nineties and two thousands.

998
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: I think Sports Center theme, I would say, is the

999
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: greatest sports theme ever.

1000
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: Yes, on Sunday night when you guys did the big

1001
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 5: Sports Center the weekend review, remember it's like ninety minutes. Yes,

1002
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 5: in the conversation when that would come on and we

1003
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: were sitting in college, that was the great way to

1004
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 5: end your weekend as a sports guy. And you'd hear

1005
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 5: the music like that's it. I got ninety minutes with

1006
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 5: nothing to do.

1007
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, seems so simple. But yeah, John Colby is

1008
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: the guy who came up with this Sports Center thing,

1009
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: and great guy. But I think he might have sold

1010
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: it to ESPN. It's not like he gets residuals.

1011
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: Yes, currently wishing he had sold that for more money.

1012
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: Didn't know this fledgling you know, Cable Channel.

1013
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 1: Was in eighty two and they started using it or whatever.

1014
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, John Colby came up with these Sports Center themes.

1015
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 2: All Right, last call for phone calls, what we learned,

1016
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: what's in store for Monday, and if you're watching on Peacock,

1017
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: a meet Friday. So we're going out to the grills

1018
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: right after this