1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,319 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: And Smantha and welcome to stuff. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: I've never told you a protection by Heart radio and 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 3: were welcome Eves. We are doing another edition of Female First, 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: which means we are joined by Eves. We're always excited 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: to be joined by the fabulous, fantastic Eves. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: How are you. How have you been? 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 4: Hey, I've been pretty good. Actually, I have gotten a 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 4: nice little break in. Like I am in Seattle and 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 4: the weather is gray and it's rainy, but it's like 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 4: good for me right now because I get to stay 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 4: inside and I get to write, and I get to read, 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: and I get to practice yoga basically every day, and 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 4: that's really calming and peaceful. And I think that a 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: lot of people can identify with me and say that 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 4: the world. It's kind of making me need a nervous 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 4: system reset right now. 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: Yes, which is one of the reasons we contacted you 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: for our recent meditation episode. 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: And I was ready to do it. It was so fantastic. 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 3: Well, also, Eves, we Samantha and I ventured out to 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: the office. 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 5: Oh man, that's rare in rare form, it is very rare, 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 5: and we your name came up and we were telling 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 5: everybody about how you have this. 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 3: Every time we talk to you, it's like amazing, nomadic where. 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: Is she now? 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 3: What is she doing now? Lifestyle? So you might be 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: the talk of the office. 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: Well that makes me feel good. Maybe that's why my 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: ears were burning the other day, like you know, in 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: the old superstition. I don't know if that's like a 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: Southern superstition or a Black superstition. I don't know where 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: it comes from, but like if your ears are warm, 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: than somebody's talking about you somewhere. But the problem is, 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 4: like I don't I think it might be like one 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 4: ear is good talk and the other ear is bad talk. 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, but either way, I kind of wonder, like, okay, 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: it is my ear birding, is somebody talking about me? 40 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: And if they are, is it good or is it bad? 41 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: So it was hope it was good. 42 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Okay, it's good. Yes, it was very good. 43 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: Riddle with some jealousy because we're like we want to 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: do that. 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm doing my best. I am trying to live 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: this life. So I'm fully tried to be that person. 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: So I'm like in process of being that nomadic person. 48 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: So I think I'm doing pretty good at it. So far, 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: but you know, I feel like I'm just ramping up. 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, but it's always amazing. And Samitha and I 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,559 Speaker 3: recently have been to Seattle and it was a wonderful experience. 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: And you have been before, right, like this is not 53 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: your first time. 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: Well, actually, I went for like a day for work, 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: you know, when I was at iHeart actually, and then 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 4: I came back for a week a couple of years ago, 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 4: so I've been here, but I haven't proper spent time 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 4: in the city until now, just hanging out. It was 59 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 4: like I was camping the whole time last time for 60 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 4: the most part, and then the first time was like 61 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: a day or two for work, so it didn't really 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: that I feel like that doesn't really count fully. 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: Well I'm very excited to check back in next time 65 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: and see what you've gotten up to, because we had 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: a good time. All right, So here's my next question. 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: What's your experience with opera? Absolutely zero experience with opera. 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about opera before on the show, 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: but ever since then, I still have had zero experience 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: with opera in real life. So I've heard opera singers and. 71 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: Like online and in media, but that is the extent 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: of my experience with it. 73 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I think I'm sang with y'all. 74 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I've heard it in media. 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: I've heard some opera singers. 76 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: There are some songs that I like that have opera 77 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: singers in like the background. Unfortunately, a lot of my 78 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 3: experience with opera is through cartoons. 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the burning of the glassy kind of thing. 80 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: And so that is a better answer. 81 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, okay, but I did go to the 82 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: Sydney Opera House. I don't think I actually saw an 83 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 3: opera though. I think I just did like a tour. 84 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: I feel like I would remember if I had seen 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 3: an opera. 86 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like. Yeah. 87 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 6: For me, as much as I love musicals, opera's never 88 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 6: been my forte. And again, I'm like you like, very like, 89 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 6: and I don't search it out, which is unfortunate and 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 6: I probably should, but I do know it takes a 91 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 6: lot of talent in training. 92 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: Oh yes, that reminds me of another experience I've had 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: with opera. Okay, there's an event at a NERD convention 94 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: in Atlanta that is a Star Trek pageant, and they 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: have a talent portion and one time an opera singer 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: saying opera and klingon. 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: So that is impressive. It was actually really good. That's impressive. 98 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 3: I say, actually, like it wouldn't be, but like she 99 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: really nailed it. It was great. Okay, all right, So 100 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: with that we've got our baseline. Who did you bring 101 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: for us to discuss today? 102 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: Eves? 103 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: So we are talking about opera because today we are 104 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: talking about Florence cole Talbert mccleve. So she has a 105 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: few first under her belt. She was the first black 106 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 4: student to attend the Los Angeles High School. She was 107 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 4: also the first black student to appear in one of 108 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 4: the Chicago Musical colleges programs, and she was the first 109 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: black director of music at Bishop College in Texas. In general, 110 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: she was just a pioneering person in opera. She paved 111 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: the way for other black opera singers who performed in 112 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: the United States and also in Europe, because Europe was 113 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: a place to go in order to get your name 114 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: up and study voice more in Europe. So plenty of 115 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: artists did that and Florence. 116 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Was one of them. So she was she was well 117 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: known at her time. 118 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: She was well regarded at her time, and she also 119 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: was a pioneer in the field. 120 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and she has such a great story, so 121 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: should we get into her history. 122 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: Yes. 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: So she was born on June seventeenth, eighteen ninety in Detroit, Michigan. 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Her parents were Sadie Chandler Cole and Thomas A. Cole, 125 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: and they had their own very musical history. So this 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: was one of those situations, as we often hear with 127 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 4: people who get big in music, musical performance, that their 128 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: families were also very musical, and that was the case 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: for Florence. She started studying piano at a young age. 130 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: So I saw one article that was in the Amsterdam News, 131 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: which was a black newspaper on in New York, not 132 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: from Amsterdam, it was from New York. It said that 133 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: she was six when she began to play piano. She 134 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: and her parents moved to Los Angeles when she was young. 135 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 4: And the discrepancies among age and date here too, as 136 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: often happens when we're going back through these biographies, but 137 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: I've seen that it was when she was eight when 138 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: she moved to Los Angeles. But I've also seen an 139 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: interview with Florence herself said that she was ten now 140 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: caveat for that. Like y'all know in previous episodes, we've 141 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 4: talked about just because somebody said something themselves doesn't necessarily 142 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: mean and it's totally accurate, and indeed sometimes people were 143 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: purposefully giving misinformation. 144 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: I was actually. 145 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: Looking up information about another black opera singer at the time. 146 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: I was actually doing this, and one of her family members, 147 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 4: who's still living today, was like, take everything she said 148 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: with a grain of salt, And I kind of felt 149 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: like it has to be like that with some of 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 4: these people's stories, because they will say things and it'll 151 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: be inaccurate in interviews, whether it was purposeful or unintentional, 152 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: but either way, it was true that she started early 153 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 4: and they moved to Los Angeles, and in an interview 154 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: she once said, quote, my mother was a talented mezzo 155 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: soprano and had traveled extensively with the Fisk Jubilee Singers. 156 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: She had made quite a name for herself by the 157 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: time of my birth. My grandmother was a patron of music. 158 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 4: So she said that her grandmother had this high soprano 159 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: voice and was a member of the first Color choir 160 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,119 Speaker 4: in Cincinnati. So history goes back pretty far, and obviously 161 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: the family was intentional about passing along their interest in 162 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: development of knowledge and practice in music. Her father was 163 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: a quote excellent basso, and he was a good dramatic reader. 164 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: By the time Florence was twelve years old, she was 165 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 4: accompanying her mother in recitals, and at first she was 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: considering becoming a pianist, but pretty soon her attention turned 167 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 4: to opera. 168 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: Oh, I will say. 169 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 4: I also saw that her mother wanted her to be 170 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: a classical singer, and that she wouldn't let her hum 171 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: popular tunes. But Florence herself wanted to turn to opera 172 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: when a teacher took her to see the opera Aida. 173 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: So this is another quote. This is from Florence. She said, 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: I was impressed by the opera as nothing had ever 175 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: moved me before. I sat breathlessly watching the artists, and 176 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: as the opera progressed a desire and impossible desire. So 177 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 4: it seemed at the time took possession of me. I 178 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: wanted to sing the title role in Naida. I could 179 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: see myself thrilling large audiences as I myself was being thrilled. 180 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 4: So she already was envisioning herself in this grand role. 181 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: And it was also one that she hadn't seen before. 182 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: She hadn't seen like other black people in before because 183 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: they would have white people performed these roles even though 184 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: the character was not white. Her first voice teacher was 185 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: Gloria Maine. In Los Angeles. She went to Los Angeles 186 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: High School, and this is where that first comes in. 187 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: So she was the first black student to go to 188 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: the school. And while she was at the school, she 189 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: joined the glee club and became a soloist even though 190 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: she was the only black person in her grade, which 191 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 4: included more than two hundred students. She was also the 192 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 4: first black person to take part in a high school 193 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: commencement program in Los Angeles. So once she graduated from 194 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: high school, she majored in music at the University of 195 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 4: Southern California. And she also, as one article put it, 196 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: made a thorough study of modern languages. So I think 197 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: this is where you mentioned Klingon in the beginning and 198 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: was singing it Glingon, And I was thinking about this 199 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 4: part of Florence's history because I don't fully understand, and 200 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: I would need somebody who's a biographer of Florence to 201 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: under to explain how she developed her language skills because 202 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: As far as the parts of her biography that I've read, 203 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 4: I haven't seen exactly how she studied language. It said 204 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 4: that she studied ancient and modern languages when she was 205 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 4: in high school. But and then later on, as we'll 206 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: get to, she went to Europe, But it seems like 207 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: her language study started earlier. It started at this time 208 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 4: before she had even started studying voice in Europe. 209 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how that happened. 210 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: If she was just really adept, if it was self study, 211 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: if she knew people who spoke these languages, I don't know. 212 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: That's a part of her story that I would love 213 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: to learn more about, because obviously she's a singer and 214 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: she's she's you know, she uses her voice and she 215 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: uses language to do what she does. So she has 216 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 4: to have a certain proficiency in language and comfort with 217 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 4: it to be able to do so. 218 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: So that is one thing I don't know. 219 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: But after finishing her music course, she joined Hans Jubilee 220 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 4: Singers and that was promoted by the Midland Lyceum Bureau 221 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 4: and she started touring with them. And there is a 222 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 4: brochure for Hans Jubilee Singers and I can send it 223 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 4: to y'all, so that everybody listening can see it because 224 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 4: there is a picture of all the Jubilee singers on it. 225 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 4: So it had also a few quotes from of course, 226 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: positive press because this was promotional material for it. Now 227 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: this is a big getting a promotional press. Throughout the 228 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 4: rest of this episode, I'm going to give more quotes 229 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 4: of promotional press when we do these episodes. I know 230 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 4: there are sometimes when I'll bring criticisms of the person 231 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: because they will have haters in the press, and you 232 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: know it, it's not unusual for there to be both 233 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: positive and negative press for these people. But in Florence's case, honestly, 234 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: I did see a lot of positive press, and I 235 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 4: don't believe that was just fully hagiography. I think it 236 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: was also like people really did enjoy her work and 237 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: she was pretty well regarded wherever she went. So here's 238 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 4: the quote, Madam Talbert, Soprana of Hans Singer's has a 239 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: voice that is clear and sweet and she reaches the 240 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: high notes without any noticeable effort. Mister Talbert, the pianist 241 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: understood each singer and showed great talent as an accompanist. 242 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 4: And that's from the Portland Oregonian, So it was you 243 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: heard that name mister Talbert mentioned. It was around this 244 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 4: time that Florence married Wendell P. 245 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Talbert. 246 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: He was a pianist and Cellis and Hans Jubilee singers. 247 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: But their marriage didn't last too long. They separated somewhere 248 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 4: around nineteen fifteen or sixteen. I've seen both years. But 249 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: she did keep his last name in her performance name. 250 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 4: And in nineteen fifteen she was still with the Jubilee Singers, 251 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: but she did start to do solo performances around nineteen 252 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: sixteen and she left and she moved to Chicago. She 253 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: enrolled in the vocal department of Chicago Musical College and 254 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: this is when she started singing in student programs. And 255 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 4: here another first comes in. So she was the first 256 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 4: black woman to appear in a student program at the school. 257 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: And this is from a nineteen sixteen article in the 258 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: Chicago Defender says, this missus Talbert is a graduate of 259 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: the Conservatory of California and has made a reputation of 260 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: being an artist who sings with volume, sweetness, and clearness. 261 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: This is her first year as a student, and it 262 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 4: was soon recognized that her training and technique is far 263 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: superior to anyone of the school, which is honestly kind 264 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 4: of shady because if I were reading this and now 265 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: we're one of her peers, I'm like, Okay, I get it, 266 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: she's great, but do you have to pay everybody else 267 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 4: down in the. 268 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Process, Like, did need that? 269 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: Right? So she sang the bell song from Locke Me 270 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 4: by Leo Dalibe, and people just kept talking about how 271 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: her voice was so clear and sweet, and she gave 272 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: a great interpretation of the song and her expressions were great. 273 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: So in June nineteen sixteen, she graduated from the Chicago 274 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 4: Musical College with honors. She was also the graduation voice celoist, 275 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 4: so clearly this school never missed an opportunity to put her. 276 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: On a pedestal. 277 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: They definitely showcased her in her talents, and she was 278 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: also another first here, the first black person to take 279 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: part in the college's commencement program through the vocal department. 280 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: She sang Caro Nome from rio Letto in Italian and 281 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: that was a company by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, so 282 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: she's singing in an Italian here. And she got the diamond 283 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: medal for having the highest average in the graduating class. 284 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I've seen that over and over, diamond. 285 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 4: Medal, have no idea if the medal was actually if 286 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: there were any actual diamonds involved. 287 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: I think there was. 288 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: That was just a name for her getting the highest 289 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: honors of the award that she got for that in 290 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 4: the school. But in August nineteen sixteen, she was the 291 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 4: cover story for the first issue of a magazine called 292 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: Half Century Magazine. And in the article in that magazine 293 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: that the cover story was on, she was described as 294 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: one of Chicago's favorite sopranos. And according to that article, 295 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: you know, it was kind of a flex. So the 296 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: newspapers weren't wrong to hold her up to this standard 297 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 4: because this article in Half Century Magazine said that most 298 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: students attended the college for four years, but Florence was 299 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: able to take an exam that let her start with 300 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: the graduating class, so she ended up finishing in one year. 301 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 4: So she toured from nineteen sixteen and on into the 302 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 4: nineteen twenty She toured throughout the United States, places like Chicago, Detroit, 303 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 4: Los Angeles, all of that, and she sang all different 304 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 4: kinds of music, operatic music, music from contemporary composer, spirituals, 305 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 4: and she had her first her debut in New York 306 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: at Aolian Hall on April sixteenth, nineteen eighteen, and she 307 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 4: continued to get pressed, so in March of nineteen nineteen, 308 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 4: there was a special issue of Music Master magazine that 309 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: was published about her, and she recorded some of her songs. 310 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 4: So in nineteen nineteen, George W. Broom asked her to 311 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: record for his Broom Special Phonograph label, which he established 312 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 4: to distribute the music of black concert artists, and they 313 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: recorded at least three tracks, although two were issued. One 314 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 4: of them was Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen in 315 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: an Arrangement by Clarence Cameron White and Villa Nelle by 316 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 4: Dell Aqua, which was sung in French and Villa Nelle 317 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: was issued in September of nineteen nineteen. Not exactly clear 318 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: when Nobody Knows was issued, but both of them were 319 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: on sale in double face format by nineteen twenty one, 320 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 4: and apparently George Broom sold these records by mail from 321 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 4: his home in Boston. 322 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: But Florence was big. She was getting gigs. 323 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 4: She started her first tour in the South in September 324 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 4: of nineteen nineteen. She made other recordings as well, throughout 325 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: the nineteen twenties and in nineteen twenty five she went 326 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: to Europe. So as to why she went to Europe, 327 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: I mean, as I said earlier, opera is a very 328 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 4: well known media there. 329 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: Just like opera, opera done. 330 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, But of course I was like, okay, you know, 331 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 4: what was it about this moment that she decided to 332 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 4: go to Europe and how did. 333 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: She get there? Who encouraged her and what I saw? 334 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 4: I saw one article that was in the New York 335 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 4: Age that said, quote the idea of European study and 336 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: operatic role. It said, quote that the idea of European 337 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: study and operatic role, it is said, was given to 338 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 4: Madame Talbert by an Italian baritone, Yosebio Conchaldi in Chicago, 339 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 4: after she had sung duets with him on several occasions 340 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: in that city. So on July eighteenth, nineteen twenty five, 341 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 4: she sailed on the Conte Rosso to join the summer 342 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 4: class for Americans at Villa Deeste. So she studied voice 343 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 4: in Europe. She gave recitals in Italy and in France, 344 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 4: and in March nineteen twenty seven, she made her debut 345 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 4: in the title role of Verde's Aida at the communal 346 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 4: I think it's pronounced theater in Cosenza, Italy. 347 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: She got what she wanted. 348 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: We talked about how she said, I want to be 349 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 4: in the title role, and. 350 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: She got that. 351 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 4: And I've seen that she has been credited as the 352 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: first Black American to sing as Aida, but I did 353 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 4: see noted in some of the sources about her that 354 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 4: like other black performers did perform in that role before her. 355 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 4: As we know, she has plenty of first and it's 356 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: not like you have to be a first, had to 357 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 4: have to even have a first to be notable. 358 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: But what she did, she. 359 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 4: Obviously accomplished one of her goals and paved the way 360 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 4: for other black artists to also later on be be 361 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 4: I be in that title role. And there was a 362 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 4: quote in the nineteen twenty seven Amsterdam News article that 363 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: said this, the critics need no longer complain that Verdi 364 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 4: made his greatest heroin black, forcing white singers to make 365 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 4: themselves up for the role. And I'm just laughing at 366 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: this quote, because nobody forced anybodyselves black. It's like, what 367 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: forced is a pretty strong word, right. 368 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: But that is what happened. 369 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 4: So when she was seeing this person on stage performing Aida, 370 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: and she was like, hey, I want to do that. 371 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: She was saying somebody who was white who was performing 372 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 4: the role. But apparently she was offered a five year 373 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 4: contract to sing the role, but she turned it down 374 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: to go back to the States with her mother. And 375 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 4: of course she did do more performance when she got 376 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: back to the States, which she did in the fall 377 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 4: of nineteen twenty seven, and William M. Kelly, who was 378 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: the editor of the Amsterdam News, organized her first tour 379 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: back in the US. She also started to take on 380 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 4: voice students and in August in nineteen thirty she married 381 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 4: doctor Benjamin F. Mcleve, who was a physician and dentist 382 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: in Memphis, and she also that year started teaching at 383 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: Bishop College in Marshall, Texas, where she became the first 384 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 4: black American director of music at the school. She was 385 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: later head of the voice department at Tuskegee Institute. She 386 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: also taught at Fisk University, and so her career from 387 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 4: performance started to go more into voice teaching. But there 388 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 4: are some quotes that I really like from this one 389 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: article that came out around nineteen thirty in the Bronzeman, 390 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 4: and this article was by Ruby Berkeley Goodwin. So I'm 391 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: going to read a couple of them. Also, these are 392 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: quotes directly from Florence, So these are in Florence's where 393 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: it's herself, and she says this, my desires now are 394 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 4: higher than when I was a child. I thought then 395 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 4: that if I could only play to assist my mother, 396 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: I would be satisfied. 397 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: Now I know that art is not racial. 398 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 4: Art is universal, and to be an artist one must 399 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 4: aim not only to rank with those of a certain group, 400 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 4: but to rank with all those who have ever accomplished 401 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 4: anything worthwhile in that line of endeavor. And that is 402 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 4: one of her quotes that I wanted to share because 403 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: I feel like it gives more insight into how she 404 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: viewed her her legacy, the work that she did, her accomplishments, 405 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 4: because I did see. I think it was in that 406 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: same article her mentioning that there were other people. I 407 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: think there were her white peers who were like, hey, 408 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 4: your race is going to get in the way of 409 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 4: your work. And in that article she goes on to 410 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 4: talk about how psychology is important to her has helped 411 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 4: her understand and not understand people not have fear. But 412 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 4: in this case she's specifically speaking about how she still 413 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 4: felt even though she wasn't acting like she was ignorant 414 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 4: of the difficulties that came with being a black person 415 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 4: and a performer in opera. Specifically, she also wasn't letting 416 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 4: it keep her from taking part in this art that 417 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 4: she really cared about. So I think that's an important 418 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 4: message to share from her. And in this article, the 419 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: author also says, upon hearing her and recital, we were 420 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 4: forced to re echo the words of Louis Michelle. There 421 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 4: was fire and feeling. There was sweetness and poise, there 422 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: was joy and drama, there were tears and laughter in 423 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: her singing. It was a feast of song such as 424 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: only Florence Cole Talbert herself is able to supply. 425 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: So I saw a. 426 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: Lot of this in the media about her. You can 427 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: go listen to her voice, so if you go on YouTube, 428 00:24:54,760 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: everyone can listen to recordings of her singing. People had 429 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: always always had these words to say about her that 430 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: was about the sweetness of her voice and how talented 431 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 4: she was, how skilled she was in her singing, and 432 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: how much they enjoy listening to it. 433 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: And I just like in this quote. 434 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: Specifically, how much they emphasize her range, so in her 435 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 4: delivery and in her actual technicality as well in her 436 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 4: emotional expressiveness. And I particularly love the word feast because 437 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: that makes it feel like it's a very like totally 438 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 4: embodied experience when you go see her in opera. 439 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: So I appreciated that quote for that. 440 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 4: And in July of nineteen fifty three, the National Negro 441 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 4: Opera GIL gave her this certificate of merit that called 442 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 4: her the first. 443 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: Lady in Grand Opera. In her later. 444 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: Years, she continued to teach music and voice to her 445 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 4: students in Memphis, Tennessee. She died on April third, nineteen 446 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 4: sixty one, in Memphis, and at that point she was 447 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: seventy years old. And she has been recognized since, like 448 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: for instance, the mclev Project, which was named after her, 449 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 4: was established in twenty seventeen, and it says that it 450 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 4: seeks to deepen opera memphisis engagement with issues equity and 451 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 4: diversity and opera both on stage and in the audience. 452 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 4: And they also establish fellowships which are for directors and 453 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 4: conductors of color. So is that is her story in 454 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: a nutshell? 455 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 6: Wow? 456 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: What a story it is? 457 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 3: So many accolades so many first, so much done. I 458 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 3: do love that she kind of manifested this save. I 459 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: love that she was like, one day, I want to 460 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 3: do that, I want to sing that, and she did it. 461 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah it is. 462 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it seems like something you would ask for, 463 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: But that would seem far fetched when you asked for 464 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: it at such a young age because you're a pioneer 465 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 4: in it and there isn't there aren't many other people 466 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 4: doing that. So to say I want to do that 467 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 4: and actually like follow along on that path is pretty 468 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 4: I think, pretty empowering. 469 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 6: I'm excited to go and listen to it. I want 470 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 6: to know now with all the like she's the best 471 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 6: above everyone else. 472 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: I need to know. 473 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear your critique, Samantha. 474 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 6: Yes, because of my expertise and opera, which we've already established. 475 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: It was so good. It's so good. 476 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 6: No, I'm really excited to listen to her because I 477 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 6: feel like there's so much to that. Anyway, just because 478 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 6: opera is such an amazing tradition and it is, it's 479 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 6: not very I think even. 480 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: Today, it's not very welcoming to just anyone. 481 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 6: You know, there's a whole level of like understanding of 482 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 6: what opera is even acknowledging knowing what it is and 483 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 6: liking it, it feels like it's another tier, so you 484 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 6: have to like prove yourself. 485 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 2: Do you mean opera? So I'm excited to see and 486 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: listen to part of its origins? 487 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think you'll like it. I'll tell you later. 488 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 3: It's always fun when we get to check out some 489 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 3: poetry or music or something after one of these. So 490 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 3: thank you as always Eve, no problem, we're bringing this 491 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 3: story to us. 492 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: Where can the good listeners find you? 493 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: Y'all can find me first on my website, which is 494 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 4: Eve's Jeffcoat dot com. That's y v E s j 495 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 4: E F F co a t dot com. 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