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Speaker 1: This is a big week, the final week before roster cuts.

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Speaker 1: God Zach Gershman with me ahead of Saturday's preseason finale.

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Speaker 1: Who do we want to see more of? Who needs

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Speaker 1: Ready Week one or show they deserve a spot on

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Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 1: nine sixteen, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 4: He's it again, So more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craigcrioler.

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Speaker 1: So the finish line, Zach is in sight. We've got

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Speaker 1: September seventh, is it, Douse, I'm only focused on Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: We have to maximize today and only today, view today

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Speaker 3: That's been the common theme.

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Speaker 1: Joy, Do you listen closely to the press conferences here

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Speaker 1: at the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals training set.

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Speaker 4: I do listen closely because if I didn't, then Craig

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Speaker 4: So look, I have to listen very very very closely.

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Speaker 4: And I know how much Darren loves when I say

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Speaker 1: August twenty sixth. The initial fifty three man roster. All

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm team Craig.

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Speaker 1: Unlikely to seez double zero, double double zero, agent zero

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Speaker 1: How that game was going and when that play happened

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Speaker 1: who do we like player wise, and who do we

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Speaker 1: think might be available practice squad because you can elevate

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Speaker 1: guys during the week for that particular game if you

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Speaker 1: need an extra tight end, an extra wide receiver, an

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Speaker 1: extra linebacker. So how do you roster gymnastics is the

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Speaker 1: phrase that you hear a lot, especially you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: a lot next week when guys don't get that tap

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder Tuesday afternoon feel that they've made the team,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden Wednesday or Thursday, a

447
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Speaker 1: player becomes available. You add that player you need to

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Speaker 1: open up a roster spot, and then that player who

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Speaker 1: thought they were on the team might now be on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad or worse, on the street.

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Speaker 4: And we also and this is you know this, this

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Speaker 4: kind of puts a target on our backs as journalists.

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Speaker 3: We could be totally wrong.

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Speaker 4: We could be totally wrong. Last year, Ben Whitley was

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Speaker 4: on the fifty three man roster for the back end

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Speaker 4: of the season. The Cardinals claimed him, and I believe

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Speaker 4: they were claimed him from Carolina. If I'd mistaken and

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Speaker 4: he was on the fifty three man roster, I don't

459
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Speaker 4: think any of us have even discussed Bent and Whitley,

460
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Speaker 4: and he had a pretty solid preseason game against the

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Speaker 4: Denver Broncos. Really solid pass rushes, Jamie Robinson a safety

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Speaker 4: in that room. Now, granted, you bring in these players

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Speaker 4: with the injuries and you needing to have depth on

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Speaker 4: your fifty three man roster, that's why you claim some

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Speaker 4: of these players. But the coach staff saw enough from

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Speaker 4: some of these guys to keep on the fifty three

467
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Speaker 4: and then to sign them to futures deals er to

468
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Speaker 4: make sure that they stay in the building. They see

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Speaker 4: something that we might not with some of these players.

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Speaker 4: So I'm sure there will be you know, one, two,

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Speaker 4: maybe three surprises or head scratching moves. But the fifty

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Speaker 4: three man roster that you see come Tuesday, there's gonna

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Speaker 4: be a lot of changes. The Cardinals are sixteenth on

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Speaker 4: the waiver wire right now, they're not gonna get the

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Speaker 4: number one free agent out there, but because they're gonna

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Speaker 4: have other teams that are going to be claiming. However,

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Speaker 4: it's definitely gonna be something to note what the roster

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Speaker 4: looks like from Tuesday of next week to what it

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Speaker 4: looks like the following Sunday, September seventh against the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Here's the potential surprise one that I did not forecast

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Speaker 1: going into training camp. And again I think injuries certainly

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Speaker 1: affected this, but an undrafted offensive tackle, whether that's Josh

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Speaker 1: Fryer or Jeremiah Byers, potentially making this team because behind

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham as your swing tackle, Christian Jones have not

485
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Speaker 1: seen him on the field. He's dealing with the knee injury.

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Speaker 1: Hayden Connor, Yes, more of an interior offensive lineman dealing

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Speaker 1: with a knee injury. You bring back Will Hernandez. He's

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Speaker 1: an interior offensive lineman. Who is your other tackle? If

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Speaker 1: you choose to keep another tackle outside of Kelvin Beacham.

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Speaker 1: I believe you will. I would think you would. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: you have someone on the practice squad. But could an

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent make the fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, Friar and Buyers started they were the

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Speaker 1: bookend tackles Saturday Night in Denver and got a lot

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Speaker 1: of praise from a lot of people, and now all

496
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's okay, can he do it again

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Speaker 1: this week against the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Friars and Buyers needs to be a law from them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they put it this way for us against selfish you.

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Speaker 1: You know that'd be good if they both make the team.

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Speaker 1: I expect that headline that story next Thursday.

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Speaker 4: As long as I'm able to speak with them that

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Speaker 4: we will make that happen. I look, I spoke with

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Speaker 4: Paris Johnson Junior during media day last season. I believe

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Speaker 4: I discussed this on a previous Cardinals cover two, but

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Speaker 4: for maybe some of our new listeners getting excited for

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty five season, I will reshare the story.

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Speaker 4: I was speaking with Paris Johnson Junior just about the

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Speaker 4: Ohio state connection with the amount of guys that you know,

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Speaker 4: bleed that scarlet and gray color.

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Speaker 1: And love so much and.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, anyway, uh my pens, never mind, my we

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Speaker 4: are discussing just the fact that Paris Johnson Jr.

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Speaker 3: Was kind of the.

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Speaker 4: Headline guy and how much has changed since then. He

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Speaker 4: was the one Buckeye in the building and now you

517
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Speaker 4: have so many roaming around here. And he brought up unprovoked,

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Speaker 4: without me asking about him, Josh Friar and said, I've

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Speaker 4: said since college that whoever whichever team brings in Josh

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Speaker 4: Frier is going to get an all star player and

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Speaker 4: a cornerstone piece for years to come. That story is

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Speaker 4: on Easycardinals dot Com about Josh Fryer. If you search

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Speaker 4: it up. It's a great look into who he is.

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Speaker 4: Paris Johnson Jr. Saw that, and Paul always says, you

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Speaker 4: want to know what a player thinks about a player,

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Speaker 4: ask a player, and Paris Johnson Jr. Has spoken so

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Speaker 4: highly about Josh Fryer, and through my conversation with Josh Fryer,

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Speaker 4: he isn't looking towards what the cut might look like.

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Speaker 4: He's only focused on himself. Everything that seems like a

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Speaker 4: cliche from our perspective is genuinely how some of these

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Speaker 4: guys feel and think. Josh Fryer has impressed a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. Yes, he's been participating in second team units

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Speaker 4: and third team units, but it's not like you see

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Speaker 4: a step down. I don't think we have. Look we've

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Speaker 4: seen on the interior with some of the depth the

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Speaker 4: problems that have been made. And Johnathangannon disgusted with Clinton

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Speaker 4: tune saying a quarterback only do so much when he

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Speaker 4: doesn't even have his final step in his drop and

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Speaker 4: he's got defensive lignment in his lap as JG referred

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Speaker 4: to it, that hasn't come from being off the edge.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why Jeremiah Byers and Josh Fryars.

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Speaker 4: Josh Fryer, two guys that are undrafted, are really starting

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Speaker 4: to stand out to this coaching staff. And we know

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Speaker 4: this front office, this staff is not shy of bringing

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Speaker 4: guys in that are undrafted. Xavier Weaver made the active

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Speaker 4: roster last season, starlink Thomas Amari de Mercado. This is

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Speaker 4: something that the Cardinals historically have notably done, is keep

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Speaker 4: a lot of undrafted guys in show that giving him

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Speaker 4: a fair shot.

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Speaker 3: And I know through PJ.

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Speaker 4: Mustifer when I was talking with him, another guy that

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Speaker 4: was undrafted that could potentially be on the fifty three

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Speaker 4: and we will probably be discussing him in a minute here,

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Speaker 4: but he said that if you're the threes that some

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Speaker 4: teams you might only get a handful of snaps. The

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Speaker 4: twos are gonna get more, the ones are gonna get most.

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Speaker 4: Here the threes get the same amount as the twos

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Speaker 4: and the ones. And sometimes that seems like a lot

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Speaker 4: of talk, but from what we have seen, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fascinated to watch the offensive line, especially

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Speaker 1: the tackle And then to your point, how does that

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Speaker 1: interior o line look? Because as bad as things were offensively,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it was placed on Clayton Tune,

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Speaker 1: JG made it very clear on Wednesday it was not

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Speaker 1: all on the quarterback but the protection up front, So

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Speaker 1: pay attention to that as well. Also pay attention Arizona

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Speaker 1: State fans. The Cardinals on Wednesday signed former Sun Devil

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Speaker 1: center Donovan West.

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Speaker 3: Hey could see.

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Speaker 1: Him on Saturday, especially if John Gaines doesn't play. Last

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Speaker 1: week when Hayden Connor got hurt three snaps into the game,

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Speaker 1: since here Hainesworth came in played the rest of the game.

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Speaker 1: So if Hainesworth is your starting center on Saturday, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna need a backup and West could be that guy,

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Speaker 1: even though he just arrived Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: And it's very possible. Well, John Gaines said that he's

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Speaker 4: blessed and healthy, but the coaching staff is also going to.

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Speaker 3: Be very smart.

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Speaker 4: And I think that there's a chance John gain Gaines

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Speaker 4: doesn't play in the game. They might have seen enough

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Speaker 4: from him from the joint practices in the game against Denver.

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Speaker 4: But then again, I asked him about when you go

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Speaker 4: from being the guy in college to not playing many

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Speaker 4: snaps and the difference is That's why he said, every

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Speaker 4: snap in the preseason is important so that you're able

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Speaker 4: to put stuff on tape. You brought up PJ must

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Speaker 4: have for I know you got a story up on

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Speaker 4: Easycardinals dot com about PJ. Another Penn State guy. Let's

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Speaker 4: get that out of the way.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We are but defensive line, we are.

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Speaker 3: The defense Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you say it. I'm I'm not an alump.

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Speaker 4: So you say just you're now an Oregon doc?

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Speaker 1: That is that is true?

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna see that on September seven?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I digress or you digress here on Cardinals cover too.

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Speaker 1: Defense Ohio State talk.

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Speaker 3: I'm done.

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Speaker 1: We're done with the Ohio State talk, Penn State talk.

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Speaker 3: PJ.

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Speaker 1: I think he has a very good chance, especially again,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, what's going on with Walter, what's

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Speaker 1: going on with Blall, what's going on with Justin Jones?

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Speaker 1: You know Kalis, Dalvin, Darius Dante, and I think LJ. Collier,

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Speaker 1: they are going to make the team. Well, I just

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Speaker 1: rattled off five names, you're gonna keep six. I personally

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna keep seven.

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Speaker 3: PJ.

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Speaker 1: Mussifer, who's made a lot of noise, a couple of

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Speaker 1: tackles for loss last week in Denver, wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 1: if you saw him make the roster next week.

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Speaker 4: So are you thinking then I could potentially be a

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Speaker 4: guy like l J. Collier and PJ I think if

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Speaker 4: you're trying to fill out the seven, yes, and I

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Speaker 4: think that that's probably right around where I'm thinking about

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Speaker 4: this as well. Again, it depends on again Walter Ballall

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Speaker 4: and Justin Jones what you do with them. But injuries

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Speaker 4: play a factor, and you got a lot of depth

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Speaker 4: on that defensive line. I personally think you're gonna keep seven.

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Speaker 4: So it does open up the door for a PJ.

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Speaker 4: Oring an Elijah Simmons, another undrafted rookie potentially, And I think,

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Speaker 4: like I discussed, or as I said earlier, the roster

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Speaker 4: from next Tuesday to the following week when they played

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Speaker 4: the Saints is going to look different, that's for certain.

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Speaker 4: I also think that the roster from week one to

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Speaker 4: week four, after the players are able to, you know,

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Speaker 4: the guys that are on pupp and they have to

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Speaker 4: miss a minimum of four games, potentially some will be

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Speaker 4: activated afterwards and their practice windows will open up. The

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Speaker 4: roster might look different going into into week five. So look,

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Speaker 4: this is something that is gonna be an area of emphasis.

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Speaker 4: The defensive line. It was a focal point during the offseason,

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Speaker 4: and I think we thought we could pencil in probably

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Speaker 4: every player that'll be in that unit that has changed

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Speaker 4: a lot throughout training camp. And that's what you want

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Speaker 4: to see in training camp. Guys pop up on the

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Speaker 4: stat sheet and in front of you on the grid

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Speaker 4: iron that you might not have expected to see prior.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy that l J. Collier because we know the

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Speaker 4: type of guy that he is. He was on the

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Speaker 4: Big Red Rage, a fun personality. Happy to see him

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Speaker 4: starting to play really well, even if he's playing into

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Speaker 4: the third quarter, which he wasn't probably expecting to do.

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Speaker 4: Going into this offseason. PJ Mustaford, though, uh played with

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Speaker 4: a chip on his shoulder and with a point to

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Speaker 4: prove in that game against the Denver Broncos, and I

648
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Speaker 4: thought he looked very solid and something that I thought

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Speaker 4: was interesting. And if you watch the miked up version

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Speaker 4: of PJ, will happen to be miked up. And it's

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Speaker 4: great that your best player on the defensive side of

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Speaker 4: the ball in a preseason game, they were able to

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Speaker 4: predict it that he's going to be the one that

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Speaker 4: to be miked up. The guys love him. You just

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Speaker 4: see the personality that he has. I thought it was

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Speaker 4: fascinating seeing Baron Browning come over and James Connor come

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Speaker 4: over and the way Dante Stills is talking to him.

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Speaker 4: When you have guys that are liked in the locker

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Speaker 4: room and perform on the field, it's something that this

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Speaker 4: coaching staff definitely values.

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Speaker 1: Guys with that infectious personality players gravitate towards. And then

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Speaker 1: to your point, if you're playing well on the field,

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Speaker 1: then it makes it even better because now you're bringing

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Speaker 1: that into the locker room. Why you smile because you're

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Speaker 1: I just because all Penn State no look I'm a lums.

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Speaker 1: At least I believe I will be in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: There will be.

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Speaker 4: A guaranteed too, and they'll be Blake Gilligan and Zach Gershman,

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Speaker 4: and I'm hoping.

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Speaker 3: The third will be PJ. Mustafer.

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Speaker 1: Safe to say you have made the team zech, well,

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Speaker 1: we're not there yet.

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Speaker 3: Let's get past Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: But look, I do think though the infectious personality is important.

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Speaker 4: But when that player also resembles what your staff is,

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Speaker 4: like Jonathan Gannon's personality, Coach Deebo's personality. When you have

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Speaker 4: players that are extensions of the staff and they also perform,

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Speaker 4: that's important. And you want to be in the trenches,

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Speaker 4: especially in a position like the trenches. You want to

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Speaker 4: be in that defensive line room with guys that you enjoy.

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Speaker 4: It's a dirty position and not a lot of people

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Speaker 4: are necessarily going to That's not when they grow up.

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Speaker 4: They're not saying I want to be the star defensive

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Speaker 4: lineman that you want to be the star player that

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Speaker 4: makes a big time play. But as these players have

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Speaker 4: grown up in the league and grown up in college

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Speaker 4: and just how the sport has changed overall, you see

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Speaker 4: the importance of the trenches. So while they were kids,

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Speaker 4: I might not have been their dream folks. Now they're

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Speaker 4: starting to see what they're able to bring on the

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Speaker 4: on paper and on the field.

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Speaker 1: Games are won and lost in the trenches and everything

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Speaker 1: that we've discussed here for the past thirty minutes or so,

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Speaker 1: just know this as well. The roster is never set, No,

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Speaker 1: it is always in flux. And knowing Manti austin Ford

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Speaker 1: like we all do, he is always looking to improve.

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Speaker 1: Even if it is guys forty eight, forty nine, fifty two,

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Speaker 1: fifty three on that back end, those last six or

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Speaker 1: seven spots, if you can get just a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be brought in.

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Speaker 4: I will never forget After the my first season was

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Speaker 4: Monty and JG's first season, and they had a meeting

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Speaker 4: with the rookies and they said, hey, we're gonna try

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Speaker 4: to replace you. It's not because we don't want you,

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Speaker 4: it's because we're gonna try to find somebody better or

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Speaker 4: something better out there. Your job is to elevate your

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Speaker 4: game so that we're not forced to have to do that.

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Speaker 4: And so far, every single player from that twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three rookie class is still on the roster. The only

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Speaker 4: player that's not on the right at the moment is

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Speaker 4: Jaden Davis and obviously Christian Jones is injured from the

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four draft class. It's a testament to the

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Speaker 4: work ethic from some of these guys, but it's also

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Speaker 4: because we know that they would not be here if

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Speaker 4: johnathangann And or Mani austin Ford did not see a

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Speaker 4: fit for them. Now that is going to change because

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Speaker 4: you're forced to trim down your roster from ninety to

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Speaker 4: fifty three. But what are you going to do to

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Speaker 4: put something on tape that says to Jonathan again and

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Speaker 4: it says to Mony Austin Fort, don't overlook me. And

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Speaker 4: I think that that's what some of the players like

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Speaker 4: a Bett and Whitley, because I don't think I've even

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Speaker 4: discussed Betton Whitley on this podcast. He had a really

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Speaker 4: solid game against Denver Broncos. He's somebody that I'm going

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Speaker 4: to be looking at from a pass rush perspective. Elliott

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Speaker 4: Brown as well. Not to say that I think these

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Speaker 4: guys are going to make the fifty three, but you

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Speaker 4: want to at least know that you have that depth

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Speaker 4: and that quality on your practice squad or potentially on

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Speaker 4: the back end of the roster.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot of fun on Saturday again,

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Speaker 1: kickoff at seven o'clock, pregame coverage at three point thirty.

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Speaker 1: The final opportunity, the final chance for these players, second

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Speaker 1: third teamers, to make an impression and say, yes, put

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Speaker 1: me on the team, put me on the practice squad,

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Speaker 1: and I'm ready to go. In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five, it's almost time.

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Speaker 4: The finish line is in sight, and that next checkpoint

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Speaker 4: where you get to begin the regular season is almost

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Speaker 4: upon us.

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Speaker 1: Craig Grilo, I'll see you on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I hope you'll see me before.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I'm looking ahead to Saturday, not to the

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Speaker 1: next twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: You're right. I will see you and hear you on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. You will be able to hear

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Speaker 1: me a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, on Saturday, I'll be on the kickoff show, can't

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Speaker 4: wait and early bird three point thirty.

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Speaker 1: Don't be late.

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Speaker 3: I won't be I was early last.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you were very early. Just not during the season

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Speaker 1: when games kickoff at ten am. You're not right.

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Speaker 4: As long as the audience is there, that's all that.

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Speaker 1: Matters all right, Zach, go get back to work.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lit on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Momanre our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Zach Kershman,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig real Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two