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Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the Book's Baby. NFL insider Tyler Dunn
Speaker 1: stop by details on what he's hearing in Buffalo trouble brewing,
Speaker 1: the story behind Josh Allen his beef with Stefon Diggs.
Speaker 1: Also so Hoops the night host Jason temp Katie to
Speaker 1: the Son's AD's future lack there over the Lakers first though,
Speaker 1: my top takes of the week. All Right, So I
Speaker 1: want to start with this. If I get upset with
Speaker 1: my kids or my wife and I express my disappointment,
Speaker 1: the reason I do that is because I want to
Speaker 1: be heard, and I want you to respond. I want
Speaker 1: some sort of visceral connection. I love you, I'm committed
Speaker 1: to you. Are you committed to me? I want to
Speaker 1: be heard, and everybody wants to be heard. That's why
Speaker 1: I've never taken criticism personally. If I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to a restaurant anymore, I don't write them a letter.
Speaker 1: I just stop going. When people really leave my show,
Speaker 1: they just stop listening. They don't form me of it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that the Super Bowl had
Speaker 1: its biggest rating in years. One hundred and thirteen million
Speaker 1: people watched it, third most watched TV program in American history.
Speaker 1: This comes, of course, after the boycott from Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: taking a knee. All I heard for eighteen months and
Speaker 1: the words used by all the boycotters I'll never watch
Speaker 1: the NFL again. They didn't say they'd come back. Eventually,
Speaker 1: they said I'll never watch it again. They all came back.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do for twenty Sundays in
Speaker 1: the fall? What do you guys, farmers? In the end,
Speaker 1: it's the NFL. We bet it, we watch it, we
Speaker 1: love it. Many of us played it not particularly well,
Speaker 1: but you wanted to be heard. Conservatives overwhelmingly wanted to
Speaker 1: be heard. Remember when the CEO of Goya Foods. G
Speaker 1: Oya Foods backed Donald Trump. There was a boycott. Liberals
Speaker 1: were outraged by the comments, we are going to boycott
Speaker 1: Goya Foods. Actually sales went up twenty two percent. In
Speaker 1: the following weeks, Goya reported sales of some beans apparently
Speaker 1: Goya loves their beans rose four hundred percent. I remember
Speaker 1: when Kaepernick did that first Nike ad ooh. People wanted
Speaker 1: to be heard. I will never buy Nike again. The
Speaker 1: stock price at the time was sixty eight. It is
Speaker 1: now eighty four percent higher at one hundred and twenty six.
Speaker 1: Actually rose to almost one seventy. Nike's never been stronger.
Speaker 1: NFL's never been stronger. Goya Foods is fine, by the way,
Speaker 1: Because of the platforms, the number of platforms I'm on today,
Speaker 1: I get more hate, more ugly comments, more threats, more
Speaker 1: boycott tweets than ever before. January was my most watched,
Speaker 1: most listen to, most downloaded month of my thirty year career.
Speaker 1: And that's okay, yell scream, call me an idiot. People
Speaker 1: want to be heard. Liberals wanted to be heard with
Speaker 1: Goya Foods. Conservatives wanted to be heard with Kaepernick and Nike.
Speaker 1: In the NFL. That's why I don't take things personally.
Speaker 1: When people really leave brands, restaurants, leagues, TV. By the way,
Speaker 1: teens do not watch linear TV. Teenagers don't watch it.
Speaker 1: It's down seventy four percent from I think like a
Speaker 1: decade ago. You know what I've never received in the
Speaker 1: history of social media, a teenager saying I'm no longer
Speaker 1: watching linear TV. I'm out. They just leave. To all
Speaker 1: my media brethren don't take the insults personally. Roger Goodell doesn't,
Speaker 1: the CEO of Goya Foods doesn't. Phil Knight at Nike doesn't,
Speaker 1: all of us. When you're connected to something, when you've
Speaker 1: been a customer, a fan, of viewer, a listener, sometimes
Speaker 1: you just pissed and want to be heard on the
Speaker 1: same way. So Aaron Rodgers is about ready to go
Speaker 1: on his darkness retreat for four days. According to reports
Speaker 1: from legitimate sources, he's considering filming it little irony there,
Speaker 1: an isolation trip. Hey, let's make sure the camera guy's
Speaker 1: got it. The light guys over here. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be isolation. Thinking you by yourself. Aaron wants attention, ripping
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, ripping Ian rappaport the vaccine. Aaron Rodgers wants attention.
Speaker 1: He wants to feel important. Right, No, kids, never married,
Speaker 1: may not have a pet. It's why he needs to
Speaker 1: do these weekly hits. Aaron needs to be the center
Speaker 1: of attention. It just cracks me up. Like when you
Speaker 1: go on these retreats, you go to oh Hi, you're
Speaker 1: looking for peace. You're not supposed to be making another
Speaker 1: state farm commercial during your isolation trip. You know, people
Speaker 1: myself included, have odd habits. I tend to be a
Speaker 1: creature of habit. You know, three or four things for breakfast,
Speaker 1: my entire law fruit, early, fish, late. I eat the
Speaker 1: same way, I exercise, the same way, same time of
Speaker 1: the day. Very much a creature of habit. And I
Speaker 1: understand not everybody has the same habits. You know, my
Speaker 1: kids are quirky. I'm quirky, and I've had friends that
Speaker 1: have you know, mannerisms or things that are I consider odd.
Speaker 1: But the one thing I've dropped friends and people in
Speaker 1: my social circle over high maintenance slash neediness. Fuck, Aaron
Speaker 1: is needy. He is really really needy. Okay, we bring
Speaker 1: him on a few times a year, Tyler Donne. He
Speaker 1: has that newsletter. Sign up for it at go longtd
Speaker 1: dot com. Through the years, he's been spot on on
Speaker 1: a number of Packers stories. He's got a Packer story
Speaker 1: he's working on. He's also been writing about the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1: We have been highly critical of Sean McDermott on my
Speaker 1: radio and TV show. In an offensive pivoting league, they
Speaker 1: really feel like they're playing nineteen eighty three football. Let's
Speaker 1: first start, though, with your Green Bay updates. So there
Speaker 1: are certain things that are already out that the Packers
Speaker 1: are willing if Aaron wants out to move, they are
Speaker 1: happier today than a year ago. With Jordan Love, they
Speaker 1: would send him to the AFC, not the NFC. That
Speaker 1: stuff's all out. Mark Murphy said last week, we'd like
Speaker 1: him to give us a decision sooner than later. Those
Speaker 1: four things are all out. My take has been a
Speaker 1: pretty simple one that if Jordan Love is a B
Speaker 1: level quarterback, that this is a pretty good roster. With
Speaker 1: an additional first round pick, maybe a third, Packers have
Speaker 1: to develop at a pretty high level. They need an
Speaker 1: edge rusher, another tight end. They're pretty good, so any
Speaker 1: apprehension would lead me to believe they have huge concerns
Speaker 1: about Jordan Love. So let me start with this. From
Speaker 1: what I can tell, it does feel like they feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about Love as a potential starter. Is that
Speaker 1: is that what you garner from you know, recent discussions?
Speaker 1: You know, I've tried to talk to as many players
Speaker 1: as I possibly can these last couple of weeks, Colin,
Speaker 1: because it does harken back to what two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, when Green Bay went from Brett
Speaker 1: fare to Aaron Rodgers. They could make that move. Ted
Speaker 1: Thompson saw it every day in practice. And if anybody
Speaker 1: knows if Jordan Love is ready, it's those players. It's
Speaker 1: the teammates, It's it's who sees this quarterback day in
Speaker 1: and day out, because they haven't really seen much on
Speaker 1: game day. What they have seen has been they're really
Speaker 1: promising to that Philadelphia game and to a man, player
Speaker 1: to player, guys who have been on the scout team
Speaker 1: have faced him in practice. They insisted Jordan Love as
Speaker 1: ready to be a starter in the NFL. Um and
Speaker 1: I guess it kind of dates back. Even a Jamal Williams,
Speaker 1: who was just with him that that rookie season, he
Speaker 1: held up his hand when I saw him in Arizona.
Speaker 1: He's like, look at this pinky and it's all busted
Speaker 1: up because yeah, that's from Jordan Love. You know, he's
Speaker 1: zipped it to my finger there. As a rookie, they
Speaker 1: got the guy can sling it. He's got some rare
Speaker 1: physical gifts. That that's the reason they drafted him. That
Speaker 1: that's what popped. But since that point forward, I think
Speaker 1: he's learned the offense and I think he's learned how
Speaker 1: to read defenses and he's putting it all together. You
Speaker 1: saw in that Philadelphia game he hit that backfoot and
Speaker 1: the ball was out. He can run Matt Laflour's offense. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know there's concern in San Francisco that Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: it was reported this week, isn't as athletic as San
Speaker 1: Francisco hoped and he struggled with accuracy. My takeaway, Jordan
Speaker 1: Love right now is a more refined Trey Lance. He
Speaker 1: is athletic and he is accurate. Now does he have
Speaker 1: the juice? The it? Very few do? Right? Like that's
Speaker 1: like eight on the planet. Um. I also believe, and
Speaker 1: I don't have this sourced. Um. I did see two
Speaker 1: different packers at the Super Bowl. I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: go public with what one of them said yet. I
Speaker 1: may soon, so I'll hold off, but I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to go there yet. But um, the Packers were an
Speaker 1: irrelevant franchise for most of the seventies and eighties, and
Speaker 1: I do feel like there's there's almost a fear in
Speaker 1: the building to be irrelevant. I I sense that. But
Speaker 1: I'm on the outside. You tell me you used to
Speaker 1: live there. You still cover him this this feeling of oh,
Speaker 1: and I argue tie the NFC, even the two loaded rosters.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has got so many free agents. Niners don't have
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Probably in September, this is the time to
Speaker 1: rip it off. This is not the AFC with five
Speaker 1: or six seven generational quarterback towns. Do you think that
Speaker 1: fear is just holding them back from ripping the band
Speaker 1: aid off? I think it absolutely has been. How Mark Murphy, Malafloor,
Speaker 1: Brian Good against everybody back from just if moving on.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this for two years. I thought
Speaker 1: they should have done it. You know that that first
Speaker 1: summer when Aaron is kind of dragging the team out
Speaker 1: to the public square and you know, dispatching his legion
Speaker 1: of surrogates and allies to flaw green Bay. I mean
Speaker 1: that for four or five months, all you heard is
Speaker 1: how could Green Bay let it get to this point?
Speaker 1: But they begged, they pleaded. Your Matt Lafloor at the
Speaker 1: podium is just every possible way begging Aaron Rodgers to
Speaker 1: come back. They have that meeting, they have some backdoor promises.
Speaker 1: They give him a seat at the table, They trade
Speaker 1: for a washed up Randall Cobb. You know, they do
Speaker 1: all these things, give him what he wants because of
Speaker 1: that fear. I think they're terrified of life on the
Speaker 1: other side of Aaron Rodgers. And you do see a
Speaker 1: lot of teams that live in that purgatory. But I'd argue,
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the New York Giants hanging on
Speaker 1: to Eli Manning and maybe a year too long. The
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers hanging on the Ben Roethlisberger a year too long.
Speaker 1: That's the bigger mistake is it's just tricking yourself into
Speaker 1: thinking that this guy might pull off a Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: There's one Tom Brady. There's one quarterback who can go
Speaker 1: to forty five doing what he did, And we saw
Speaker 1: it last year with Aaron Rodgers the inevitable physical decline.
Speaker 1: His legs really aren't there, his arm is average to
Speaker 1: maybe above average. He wasn't really willing to work with
Speaker 1: those young receivers until it was too little, too late. Hey,
Speaker 1: look when Patrick Mahomes has bringing guys down to Fort Worth,
Speaker 1: what was Aaron Rodgers doing. I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: good taking trips and hey, we can mock OTAs all
Speaker 1: you want. I talked to one player who said it
Speaker 1: would have been really nice to have Aaron Rodgers's OTAs
Speaker 1: they were working on stuff, because they got it. They
Speaker 1: turned that corner, but by then they were what three
Speaker 1: four games below five hundred. To answer your question, I'm
Speaker 1: shocked that it's taken this long, but I think that
Speaker 1: the court of public opinion has kind of changed. I
Speaker 1: think fans by and large are getting a little tired
Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers act and the drama and you know
Speaker 1: him saying, oh, I didn't know that this Darkness Retreat
Speaker 1: was really going to take off like it did get
Speaker 1: out of here. I think that fans are smart enough
Speaker 1: to kind of read through it, and they saw it.
Speaker 1: Most importantly, they saw what Jordan Love could be, just
Speaker 1: like they saw what Aaron Rodgers could be in that
Speaker 1: Dallas game in two thousand and seven. So the fact
Speaker 1: that it's kind of turned, you know, remember it's it's
Speaker 1: community owned, the fans owned the team. It's a little
Speaker 1: different with the Packers. The fact that that's kind of changed,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to kind of be let me
Speaker 1: get Murphy and Good against La floor to a spot
Speaker 1: where they finally once and for all trade Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Maybe my egos too big, but I feel like words matter.
Speaker 1: And when Aaron said I'm gonna go on a retreat,
Speaker 1: a darkness retreat, which is fine, meditations, fine, that will
Speaker 1: get me closer to a decision, that's kind of FFing
Speaker 1: with people. That would be like telling my wife, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm either way in the marriage. I'm gonna go on
Speaker 1: a four day Vegas trip with the boys. That'll get
Speaker 1: me closer to a decision. She would say, bullshit, I
Speaker 1: want an answer when you get back. Like, we know
Speaker 1: Aaron's petty, we know he cares, he's thin skinned. That
Speaker 1: kind of feels like to me, tie, he's kind of
Speaker 1: offing with him. It really does. You would never tell
Speaker 1: somebody you were in business with, hey, listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: Mark Murphy came out publicly and said sooner the better,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go hide for four days.
Speaker 1: It'll get me closer. Like, to me, that's you've moved
Speaker 1: into poking in the ribs. That's what it feels like
Speaker 1: to me. It would align with previous action. I mean
Speaker 1: that this is what he's done for a few years now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have to read between the lines because
Speaker 1: he's kind of speaking in code and beating around the
Speaker 1: bush and nobody really knows and he's going on the
Speaker 1: darkness retreat. I had the same reaction to this. It
Speaker 1: feels like he's kind of messing with the team at
Speaker 1: this point, delaying it when you know, there's that scene
Speaker 1: in Seinfeld where George Constanza's telling you know that the
Speaker 1: girlfriend I invented the it's not you, it's me. That
Speaker 1: the team and Rogers are kind of going back and
Speaker 1: forth in this like well, I don't I don't really
Speaker 1: want to trade you, but I want to trade you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here, but I kind of
Speaker 1: want to be here. Somebody's got to step up and
Speaker 1: be like enoughs enough. The Packers they have that power.
Speaker 1: They could go on the offensive here hell and do
Speaker 1: something talk to teams while he's on this darkness retreat.
Speaker 1: They haven't done it to this point. They're trying to
Speaker 1: be delicate. They know he's a future Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: he's been the face of the franchise. I get all
Speaker 1: of that, but at some point the lines were going
Speaker 1: to cross. Right. This isn't the first time that Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers has done some things that have ruffled feathers and
Speaker 1: you know, made management think a certain way, coaches think
Speaker 1: a certain way. But he's been winning MVPs, he's been
Speaker 1: taken to the conference championship game. It's always been worth it.
Speaker 1: Now that ability isn't there, that talent isn't there, at
Speaker 1: some point, you don't tolerate it, right, I mean you
Speaker 1: tolerate it because he's so damn good and he's been
Speaker 1: good for so long. I think those lines have crossed now,
Speaker 1: and that management, if I you know, if you read
Speaker 1: what Murphy has said with the team has said, with
Speaker 1: the kind of leaked to the media, it seems like
Speaker 1: they're ready to move on. And I say that gingerly
Speaker 1: because you never really know, but I think that maybe
Speaker 1: even the Packers are a little tired of this act,
Speaker 1: and then they are in a spot too once and
Speaker 1: for all move on to a different quarterback. He's not
Speaker 1: as mobile as he was three years ago. He's also
Speaker 1: not quite as committed in the offseason. Has anybody inside
Speaker 1: the organization ever hinted or acknowledged to you that they
Speaker 1: do see a decline in his overall ability now turning
Speaker 1: thirty nine soon. No, it's hard to get people to
Speaker 1: that spot, you know, even even for background. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's been hinted that. And when they talk about
Speaker 1: Jordan Love and how excited they are about Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: how the ball just spins off his hand, how he's
Speaker 1: so athletic and fluid and as a command of the offense,
Speaker 1: because let's face it, teammates people in the organization. They're
Speaker 1: they're scared to say a negative word about Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: because they don't want to be cast off to the wornfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're honest enough to say what you
Speaker 1: really think, hell to just relive your experiences literally, just
Speaker 1: say what happened in a game against the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers like a person you know very well.
Speaker 1: And Greg Jennings. He might just call you, call your names,
Speaker 1: call you this, call you that, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you got Packer fans at your neck for the next
Speaker 1: five to ten years. So players, they tread very lightly
Speaker 1: in that department. I do think though, and how excited
Speaker 1: they are about Jordan Love that kind of tells you
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. So you live in upstate
Speaker 1: in New York, right, so you cover the Bills. I
Speaker 1: think two things are happening with the Bills. One, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs are relentlessly getting better. They're drafting better, They're rebuilding
Speaker 1: the offense receivers. They pay all of their receivers combined
Speaker 1: twenty mi million dollars Tyreek Hills making you know that
Speaker 1: and more. Just with the Miami Dolphins, they rebuild their
Speaker 1: old line overnight. The Bills four or five years with
Speaker 1: McDermott still can't get the old line right. So that's
Speaker 1: part of it. And they're losing, right, So they're losing
Speaker 1: big games. But I really thought, and you have, you've
Speaker 1: been writing about this the Skylar Thompson game in the
Speaker 1: two A game, and they both came to Buffalo and
Speaker 1: they both ended the third quarter. In the fourth, you
Speaker 1: had a real game on your hands, warm Weather, Miami,
Speaker 1: cold Weather, Buffalow Skylar Thompson. Game was bizarrely competitive in
Speaker 1: the second half, and I felt like in both games
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel worked Sean McDermott. He was more clever, more
Speaker 1: of an identity. I still don't think the Bills have
Speaker 1: an offensive identity. I think they just called plays how
Speaker 1: They're winning a lot of games. But how much heat
Speaker 1: is on McDermott. I think the fear is that Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott is Marty Schottenheimer, Marvin Lewis. You know a coach
Speaker 1: who is a good offensive mind? Yep, Chuck Nahaks, there's
Speaker 1: a good one, right, go right down the list where
Speaker 1: you know John Fox not a bad coach, right. He
Speaker 1: turned the defense around a big picture that that building
Speaker 1: needed to be fumigated. I mean it got really bad,
Speaker 1: really fast with Rex Ryan, and so they did need
Speaker 1: a pendulum swing to somebody who was more of a disciplinarian,
Speaker 1: who wasn't wasn't gonna put up with you know, certain
Speaker 1: types of players, certain type of personalities. So that that worked.
Speaker 1: They ended the drought. They build a winner, but at
Speaker 1: some point the franchise is identity needed to change from
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott disciplinarian defense ball control to holy hell, we
Speaker 1: have Josh Ellen. This transcendent talent that's six five two
Speaker 1: forty seven leaps over your line backers and is something
Speaker 1: we've never seen at the position. And they're still kind
Speaker 1: of operating in that old mindset. Look at this. Look
Speaker 1: at every single playoff game that they've lost. I mean,
Speaker 1: the same stuff repeats itself over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: The AFC Championship game, the chip shot field goals. I mean,
Speaker 1: you kick a field goal from whatever it was, the
Speaker 1: one or the two before halftime to cut into twenty
Speaker 1: one to twelve against the Chiefs, only to get waxed
Speaker 1: in the second half thirteen seconds the end of that game.
Speaker 1: I was told didn't want the squid, he wanted the touchback. Whoops.
Speaker 1: And then you have your dbs lined up in another
Speaker 1: zip code. It's it's very not to lose. It's it's
Speaker 1: not aggressive, it's not a tenacious we're gonna win this
Speaker 1: game mentality. And then you saw it again against the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. They're gonna lose that game. Ten out of
Speaker 1: ten times they didn't come ready to play. I just
Speaker 1: talked to a player today who said we were not ready,
Speaker 1: like we had no energy, we were lethargic. But Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott again, fourth down, end of the first half, a
Speaker 1: chance to get a two for one. You're in Cincinnati's territory.
Speaker 1: Your defense can't stop anybody, but you have a chance
Speaker 1: on fourth down to go for it, score touchdown, to
Speaker 1: get the ball at the start of the third quarter,
Speaker 1: re dictate the terms of this game into a shootout.
Speaker 1: And they punted, and Joe Burrow almost Scott the midfield
Speaker 1: courage and edit the fourth quarter, fourth and two deep
Speaker 1: in your own end, you punt, I get it. The
Speaker 1: game ends right there if you don't get it. But
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get two stops in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: That isn't gonna happen. You haven't stopped the nosebleed all games,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I mean, for if the Bills
Speaker 1: are ever gonna get over this championship hump, Sean McDermott
Speaker 1: has to change the way he coaches in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'm worried it's not going to happen. I think that
Speaker 1: they left. They let the better coach in Brian Dable
Speaker 1: leave the building. I think Brian Dable will win Super
Speaker 1: Bowls and then Sean McDermott. I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: on the Volume Network. So I was talking about this
Speaker 1: Jason about the Kansas City Chiefs. If you were gonna
Speaker 1: beat him, it probably should have been this year. Kind
Speaker 1: of a makeshift Receiving Corps six rookies played. UM old
Speaker 1: line is still pretty young, not great at tackle. UM.
Speaker 1: Now this year they've got eleven draft picks, all the
Speaker 1: rookies at running back in the secondary, we'll have a
Speaker 1: year under their belt. Mahomes is only getting better. And
Speaker 1: you know, this could have been the vulnerable year, right
Speaker 1: because they were very, very young. And I feel the
Speaker 1: same way about the Warriors last year Clay Thompson at
Speaker 1: seventy young guys weren't ready to play. Now they've got Peyton,
Speaker 1: he'll be ready by the playoffs. Clay's better pools emerged
Speaker 1: as more consistent. Dante de Vincenzo's actually a perfect fit
Speaker 1: for that system. Now they're actually really deep in the
Speaker 1: next two months, really really deep, and Kuminga is at
Speaker 1: least now a contributor. And so as they go back
Speaker 1: and forth, we know they're not the same team without
Speaker 1: Steph Curry. But I really believe Milwaukee's the best team
Speaker 1: in the league. And I really believe in two and
Speaker 1: a half three months, Golden State, a team that's in
Speaker 1: Boston's head, will be second. How much of a believer
Speaker 1: or a cynic are you of these Warriors going forward? Well,
Speaker 1: generally speaking, I'm always going to be very bullish on
Speaker 1: championship cores that still have their core that we've seen
Speaker 1: show what they can do on that level, because the
Speaker 1: NBA regular season is so monotonous and boring, and they've
Speaker 1: had issues, like even the core of this team has
Speaker 1: struggled to close games this year, which is super unusual
Speaker 1: for a team that you'd expect to execute super well.
Speaker 1: And obviously they've had issues with the bench. But college
Speaker 1: did you know that there are twenty seven five man
Speaker 1: lineups in the NBA this year that have played at
Speaker 1: least two hundred minutes and Steph Clay, Andrew Wiggins, Raymond Green,
Speaker 1: and Kevan Luney are still by far the best in
Speaker 1: the league. They're outscoring teams by twenty two points per
Speaker 1: one hundred possessions, five and a half points better than
Speaker 1: Denver starters, who are treating this season every game like
Speaker 1: it's the last game of their lives. Now, again, the
Speaker 1: bench was a little concerning, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, there's two things that give me optimism there.
Speaker 1: First of all, Gary Peyton will be available for playoffs.
Speaker 1: Last year, in the playoffs, they outscored teams by three
Speaker 1: points per one hundred possessions when Gary Payton was off
Speaker 1: the floor, and by sixteen points per one hundred possessions
Speaker 1: when Gary Payton was on the floor. So you know,
Speaker 1: to their credit, they made the Wisemen mistake, but they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we're gonna undo two mistakes in one
Speaker 1: move here and bring back Gary. Now. It sucks that
Speaker 1: he's not going to be available for this next stretch
Speaker 1: of the regular season, but if he's available for the postseason,
Speaker 1: that solves a lot of problems. And then Jamichael Green.
Speaker 1: There's been all this talk about them going after a
Speaker 1: backup big, but he's shooting the laces off the basketball
Speaker 1: since he returned from injury, and that kind of alleviates
Speaker 1: that issue. Give me Gary Payton, give me jem Michael Green,
Speaker 1: give me Jordan Poole and Dante di vincenzo. With that
Speaker 1: starting lineup we just talked about in a Western conference,
Speaker 1: that's super flawed. I mean, as anybody is safer bet
Speaker 1: no I And that's what I go back to. I
Speaker 1: do think when you have a veteran team and you
Speaker 1: have a long playoff run, you're talking about twenty more
Speaker 1: intense games. This is not Tuesday against the Pelicans at
Speaker 1: home Oracle right like these are these are play forty
Speaker 1: minutes of playoff basketball, and so I don't think it's surprising.
Speaker 1: The Warriors were flat defensively, frankly awful defensively until about,
Speaker 1: I would say, about two weeks ago. It feels like
Speaker 1: there's moments now I think they've gotten They're not great,
Speaker 1: but they've gotten better. Probably his Kur's been barking at him,
Speaker 1: Draymond's been barking at him. But I tend to I'm
Speaker 1: with you on this, until you have a ring, teams
Speaker 1: play really hard. Those Chicago bull teams with Derek Rose, Jesus,
Speaker 1: every game was Game seven. You'd go into the United
Speaker 1: Center and Lebron would go in there, and then the
Speaker 1: playoffs show up and Lebron shut down d Rows. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Lebron, I had a scout I trust say the
Speaker 1: body language by Ad wasn't a coincidence. He's had, as
Speaker 1: you've pointed out on your podcast, a series of bizarrely
Speaker 1: ineffective games, like strangely ineffective first half against the Warriors
Speaker 1: was weird, like not there. And I had a scout
Speaker 1: tell me last week, Dallas is going to make a
Speaker 1: run at him. Anthony Davis has sort of kind of
Speaker 1: believes he's lost the trust of Lebron, That's what I'm hearing,
Speaker 1: and that they're going to try to get their way
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. And I do think if you, if
Speaker 1: you gave me Lebron and that roster seven gamer play,
Speaker 1: let's get that's a series against Denver, I'd take my
Speaker 1: chances with Lebron. What do you believe of somebody that
Speaker 1: watches every minute for the Lakers? What do you make
Speaker 1: of the last five to six games of Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: The Anthony Davis thing is truly bizarre because all of
Speaker 1: the intel is is that his foot is fine. Now
Speaker 1: generally speaking, with foot injuries, there's a difference between fine
Speaker 1: and I trust myself to explode off of this foot
Speaker 1: when I need to. The numbers are really bad. So
Speaker 1: he's back for nine games, twenty two points and thirteen rebounds,
Speaker 1: which is the weird thing with Lebron and a d
Speaker 1: there's always such a disconnect between what their box score
Speaker 1: production is and what you actually see on the floor.
Speaker 1: Because I think he's been bad by his standards. He's
Speaker 1: shooting just sixty one percent in the restricted area since
Speaker 1: coming back, which is awful for a big that's that's
Speaker 1: okay for a point guard. To give you some perspective,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton is shooting seventy nine percent in the restricted
Speaker 1: area this season, So he's just getting manhandled around the basket.
Speaker 1: He's not running up and down in transition. He's losing
Speaker 1: box outs everywhere right and left. Now, I if he's
Speaker 1: dealing with something up here. The reality is is this
Speaker 1: roster is so talented now because they've they've really addressed
Speaker 1: their two biggest weakness backcourt offensive skill size on the
Speaker 1: perimeter with the with Ruey Hatchmer and Jared Vanderbilt. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if they if they get Lebron back and he's playing
Speaker 1: at an MVP level, at a certain point, ad will
Speaker 1: have no choice but to lock back in. And I
Speaker 1: believe that he will, But you know if he does not,
Speaker 1: because one of the biggest subplots of this Laker's era
Speaker 1: is Anthony Davis's inability to remain at his ceiling. Since
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty playoffs, It's been like two games against
Speaker 1: the Suns in the first round where he looked really good,
Speaker 1: like maybe ten fifteen games earlier this season, but that's
Speaker 1: about it, and if he can't stay at that level,
Speaker 1: the Lakers will have to look seriously at whether or
Speaker 1: not he can be a foundational piece for them. Well,
Speaker 1: the source told me, Dallas will make a run on
Speaker 1: him because Kyrie and Luca have huge defensive efficiencies and
Speaker 1: they don't trust Christian. Would it would make sense. What
Speaker 1: can you get in your opinion for an Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Man, Okay, So if
Speaker 1: he does not ever in this season return to Form,
Speaker 1: I think he becomes He's got similar value to Lebron James,
Speaker 1: meaning like you're looking at him and you're like, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I might get some top tier superstar production here, but
Speaker 1: I also might not. I'm not going to give away
Speaker 1: three four first round picks and two three swaps and
Speaker 1: a good young player. I was. I actually pitched this
Speaker 1: idea to Ryan, our producer, earlier today. But like, if
Speaker 1: if Ad cannot return to Form, you start to look
Speaker 1: at potentially him being the vehicle for a Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: sign in trade, which kind of which satisfies both needs.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get a Josh Green out of Dallas as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get one other first round pick and the two.
Speaker 1: You know, Jared vanderbuilt such a good work hard forward
Speaker 1: for them. If they can get one other center, you
Speaker 1: start to look at them as a more offensively focused
Speaker 1: team behind Kyrie and Lebron. And Lebron when he's surrounded
Speaker 1: by really good ball handlers and shooters, he does devote
Speaker 1: more energy to the defensive end of the floor and
Speaker 1: he can be really impactful there. Just look at the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen calves. So that would be an interesting direction
Speaker 1: for them to look if Anthony Davis can't return to form.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Call it if I ask you,
Speaker 1: what are the percentage chances that Anthony Davis returns to
Speaker 1: MVP form before the end of the season. It's like
Speaker 1: a coin flip or worse. Oh, as Saluli, it is.
Speaker 1: And I think, as you pointed out, it may be
Speaker 1: a little physical, some of it's mental, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where he struggled. You know, there's some things you
Speaker 1: can teach and some things you can't. Passion like Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes visibly in intense pain during the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: sprints for twenty six yards in my opinion, his greatest
Speaker 1: moment as a pro player, and he is wincing pain
Speaker 1: tolerance as a skill, playing through injuries as a skill.
Speaker 1: Dwyane Wade was banged up almost the last ten years
Speaker 1: of his career. He was constantly on the deck. So
Speaker 1: let me start with this premise. I think Milwaukee when
Speaker 1: healthy is the best team in the league. Do you agree?
Speaker 1: I do. I just don't trust Boston to close games.
Speaker 1: And then everybody in the West is significantly more flawed,
Speaker 1: and Milwaukee kind of flowed under the radar as they
Speaker 1: were consistently near the top of the standings despite Chris
Speaker 1: Middleton being out Andrew Holiday being in and out of
Speaker 1: the lineup, like Jannis has been sneaky, like a favorite,
Speaker 1: one of my favorites for MVP this year and not
Speaker 1: getting enough credit for it because he's been floating a
Speaker 1: really limited roster. And so yeah, I again, it's to me,
Speaker 1: it's about the safeness of the bet. And I just
Speaker 1: can count on Milwaukee in a way I can't anybody
Speaker 1: else out East. So that brings me up too. And
Speaker 1: you watch the NBA and a more consistent level, because
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a generalist than half the cherry pick stuff.
Speaker 1: But I've watched the Celtics. I get on a Treadmill,
Speaker 1: and I watched them as much as I can. I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch them tonight when I we hang up
Speaker 1: here and I'm gonna go watch their backups play Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: My daughter's actually at that game totally. Abo. Hew, things
Speaker 1: aren't starting anybody. So one of the things I've noticed,
Speaker 1: and a game that a lot of people watch, was
Speaker 1: the Laker game, which was a fantastic night of NBA basketball.
Speaker 1: It felt like a playoff game. Is that I think
Speaker 1: Golden State remains in Boston's head is even though they
Speaker 1: won that game and that had a playoff feel to it.
Speaker 1: This is and you played college basketball at a high level.
Speaker 1: We're good late in the shot clock, in late in games.
Speaker 1: The body language tells me that Jalen Brown is really
Speaker 1: the alpha. He wants the ball. He's more aggressive seeking
Speaker 1: the ball. Now when they design or set screens for
Speaker 1: Jason a play, he'll come get it, but he won't
Speaker 1: take over a possession. I always feel like Jalen's the alpha.
Speaker 1: Tatum's more talented, and I think when you get into
Speaker 1: these huge games that may only rear its head three
Speaker 1: possessions in the last six minutes. That's the difference between
Speaker 1: beating the Warriors and not there's something it's almost like
Speaker 1: Tatum's two nice a guy. That's my takeaway. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want that. When Steph wants to score, there's
Speaker 1: nobody else on the floor. Steph. Do you see this
Speaker 1: ever with the Celtics in big possessions, in key spots,
Speaker 1: some of it is skill set, Like I think Jalen
Speaker 1: Brown is much more of an improvisational score. He can
Speaker 1: score in the sense that, like every basket looks different
Speaker 1: than the last, Jason Tatum is very much your modern
Speaker 1: MBA analytical offensive approach. Like he's he's toned way back
Speaker 1: on his mid range jump shooting, He's taken a ton
Speaker 1: of threes, he's finishing better at the rim than he
Speaker 1: used to be. But he's kind of becoming a more
Speaker 1: predictable offensive engine. And at the end of games, nothing
Speaker 1: goes the way you want it too. There's so much
Speaker 1: contact that goes on called there's random double teams and
Speaker 1: weird schematic things, and having a player that's an improvisational score,
Speaker 1: a guy that can take and make weird shots ends
Speaker 1: up being a huge advantage there. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a huge part of why Jalen Brown thrives so much
Speaker 1: in those settings. But it's funny because I would agree
Speaker 1: with you that Golden States in their head when the
Speaker 1: even when they won this last game, they kind of
Speaker 1: backed into that win. Yeah, they won, because Golden State
Speaker 1: also made a bunch of mistakes, like even on that
Speaker 1: final possession when Jalen Brown got open, it was a
Speaker 1: transition cross match and Jordan Poole got lost and they
Speaker 1: left Jalen Brown open. Like again, we talked about this earlier,
Speaker 1: but Golden State has struggled with like game execution. Jason
Speaker 1: Tatum was awful down the stretch and regulation of that game,
Speaker 1: including having Steph Curry on a switch on the left wing.
Speaker 1: No double team, dude, you've got the advantage, and he
Speaker 1: ended up just like kind of like trying to step
Speaker 1: sideways into a three, and Steph was all over it
Speaker 1: and he ended up turning the basketball over. And you
Speaker 1: could tell there's something going on up there. To be clear,
Speaker 1: Boston's even better than they were last year. Malcolm Brogden.
Speaker 1: We talked a lot after the NBA Finals about them meeting.
Speaker 1: Backup ball handling Malcolm Brogden was a home run trade.
Speaker 1: He's been amazing for them. But at the end of
Speaker 1: these games, if I would feel so much better about
Speaker 1: Boston if they just kicked Golden State's ass in those
Speaker 1: two games, I would be in a completely different places
Speaker 1: mentally with them if they just close the deal in
Speaker 1: those two games emphatically, and instead they lost one and
Speaker 1: they fell asked backwards into a win and the other.
Speaker 1: And so that just puts me in the same position
Speaker 1: where it's the same type of flaw when they get
Speaker 1: to that big stage. Yeah, and that's why Golden State.
Speaker 1: Golden State picks its spots the Boston game, that Memphis game.
Speaker 1: You know this, there's about for defending champions. There's about
Speaker 1: six nights a year their national TV games or they're
Speaker 1: the cocky upstart Memphis. It's like, okay, guys, don't have
Speaker 1: to be talked into it. So I think everybody, I've
Speaker 1: probably seen Phoenix play six times this year. Chris Paul
Speaker 1: is not what he was two years ago. Let's start
Speaker 1: with that. Mkaal Bridges really valuable wing defender, no question,
Speaker 1: that's where they're not as good. Kevin Durant remains, however,
Speaker 1: when healthy about the best easiest bucket in the league.
Speaker 1: Tend to think it's going to work because in the NFL,
Speaker 1: I always feel in pro football an offense needs an
Speaker 1: identity can overcome lack of personnel. If you have a
Speaker 1: New York Giants won a playoff game, they knew what
Speaker 1: they were and what they weren't, I don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: In the NBA, what I worry is, do you have elements?
Speaker 1: Two great wings, a big that runs the floor, a
Speaker 1: smart distribution, veteran point guard, a respected coach. Situationally, I
Speaker 1: look at Phoenix and I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: elements here. I like, now, they're not deep, but you know,
Speaker 1: Golden State plays eight guys like depth is a tad overrated.
Speaker 1: I think Phoenix could mow through some of these teams
Speaker 1: in about five six games. I think the Suns it
Speaker 1: works for me. But now in three years this could
Speaker 1: be a disaster if they fall apart. But just for
Speaker 1: this year, does it work for you? Well? Overnight they
Speaker 1: have the most talented top four in the NBA. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I'm putting them ahead of Philly in Boston.
Speaker 1: There's also schematically a supernatural fit for Kevin Durant. Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant has been by far the very best pick and
Speaker 1: roll ball handler. This year, he is having one of
Speaker 1: the very best pull up jump shooting seasons in NBA history.
Speaker 1: In all pick and roll coverages in the NBA concede
Speaker 1: pull up shots, so every team in the league has
Speaker 1: just been like, let's just double KD and play four
Speaker 1: on three in the back end, which is why the
Speaker 1: Nets have been so good this season. When he played,
Speaker 1: Phoenix is the pre eminent pick and roll team in
Speaker 1: the NBA. That's what they run every single possession down
Speaker 1: the floor. They run a variation of it called Spain
Speaker 1: pick and roll, where they include a shooter that replaces
Speaker 1: to the top of the key while eighton is rolling.
Speaker 1: So KD offensively is a just an incredibly natural fit
Speaker 1: with him. He's also probably the best plug in play
Speaker 1: star in NBA history because his off ball offensive talent
Speaker 1: is every bit as effective as his on ball offensive talent,
Speaker 1: and he makes quick, predictable decisions, like compared to lou
Speaker 1: where it's like there's nine seconds of dribbling and you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know where he's going. That can be tough
Speaker 1: to play with sometimes, but when you're playing pickup basketball
Speaker 1: and there's that dude where you know exactly what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do and he makes that decision quickly. It makes
Speaker 1: it easy to play with that type of guy. So
Speaker 1: that's why he plugs in so well. On the defensive
Speaker 1: end of the floor. He's actually having one of his
Speaker 1: better defensive seasons of his career as a help defender
Speaker 1: on the back line with his length and DeAndre Ayton.
Speaker 1: One of his biggest issues is he can be a
Speaker 1: kind of up and down defensive player from his motor.
Speaker 1: From the perspective of his motor. Now, they're not a
Speaker 1: perfect team. They're going to be probably the worst perimeter
Speaker 1: defense team out of the high level playoff teams, and
Speaker 1: that will put them in some trouble against driving kick
Speaker 1: teams like the Clippers or Golden State. With Jordan Poole
Speaker 1: constantly putting downhill pressure on the rim, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: some issues. But again I go back to what I
Speaker 1: said with Golden State. In a Western conference where everybody
Speaker 1: is flawed, you'd be foolish to write them off. And
Speaker 1: you gotta look at the buyout market, like they snatched
Speaker 1: Terrence Ross away from Dallas, will be surprised if they
Speaker 1: go after someone like Patrick Beverley as well, Like they're
Speaker 1: gonna be there, and I think Kevin Durant might be
Speaker 1: the best player in the world right now, So they're
Speaker 1: gonna be a pain in the ass for everybody. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think you really put it well. He's the best
Speaker 1: plug and play guy in the world. Like I love
Speaker 1: Lebron or Janis, but you have to sort of build
Speaker 1: around them, Luca, because he's so ball centric, you can
Speaker 1: he's I think he's a much better, not much better.
Speaker 1: He's a better version of Harden, But I mean, at
Speaker 1: his best, James was hard to play with. Like Chris Paul,
Speaker 1: for all the misgivings, kind of works in every era.
Speaker 1: He would have worked in the seventies, he works now
Speaker 1: in the three ball here and doesn't shoot him like.
Speaker 1: He's a really effective player with a lot of personalities.
Speaker 1: I mean, Blake Griffin to me, sort of disappeared when
Speaker 1: Chris Paul left his side. DeAndre Jordan. That offense dried up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a team. I want you to give
Speaker 1: me a team that you just don't buy. Okay. I
Speaker 1: love watching Memphis, but if Jaws off and I just
Speaker 1: had dinner of the other night, with an NBA scout,
Speaker 1: Jaws probably a better. I don't like hyper athletic guards
Speaker 1: that can't shoot. Never like John Wall, don't like Westbrook.
Speaker 1: Derrick Rose wore me out. I think Jaws a better
Speaker 1: shooter than those guys. But Jason, he's one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy eight pounds, He's tiny. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: buy Memphis. I just I like their depth, I like
Speaker 1: their coach. Do you I don't buy this team as
Speaker 1: a championship contender, do you? Yeah? Memphis is who I
Speaker 1: put down as my most overrated team in the league.
Speaker 1: So to give you an idea, these are the top
Speaker 1: four teams in the league and their records against teams
Speaker 1: that are five hundred or better. Boston is twenty two
Speaker 1: and nine against winning teams. Milwaukee twenty one and ten,
Speaker 1: Denver nineteen and eleven, Phillies sixteen and ten, Memphis sixteen
Speaker 1: and fifteen. Once again against Boston. On Sunday, shortly before
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, they competed. They were in the game,
Speaker 1: it was close late and they backed way off of
Speaker 1: Job and made him shoot threes that he couldn't make.
Speaker 1: You went over four and on the other end of
Speaker 1: the floor, they could not contain Derek White driving to
Speaker 1: the basket, which put them in rotation, no stopping. They
Speaker 1: gave up a bunch of wide open threes and they lost.
Speaker 1: This is a phenomenon I've seen several times in NBA
Speaker 1: history where there's a team that has an outstanding regular
Speaker 1: season machine to produce wins. My favorite example this is
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Jazz. They were third in defensive
Speaker 1: rating in the regular season, and then they ran into
Speaker 1: the Clippers without Kawhi Leonard and it turns out that
Speaker 1: it turns out Mike Conley and Donovan Mitchell couldn't guard anybody.
Speaker 1: They gave up one hundred and twenty eight points per
Speaker 1: one hundred possessions against the Clippers and lost. And so
Speaker 1: what happens is in the regular season you can set
Speaker 1: up a baseline scheme and you can hide guys. But
Speaker 1: then you get to the playoffs and it becomes so
Speaker 1: the game slows down and it just teams target your
Speaker 1: entry points. And what it is is John Morant is
Speaker 1: one of the easiest entry points in the NBA to
Speaker 1: a defense. If you attack him, you can quickly get
Speaker 1: them in rotation, and then it doesn't really matter what
Speaker 1: kind of personnel you have in the back end, if
Speaker 1: you're playing four on three and then on the other
Speaker 1: end of the floor, they just don't have any shot
Speaker 1: creation behind Jaw. And so they're actually a bottom ten
Speaker 1: half court offense in the NBA according to Cleaning the Glass.
Speaker 1: And so if they can stay up and down in
Speaker 1: transition and in funnel guys to Jaren Jackson in the
Speaker 1: regular season, they're fine. But they get to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the game slows down. It's entirely in the half court.
Speaker 1: On both ends, they're attacking Jaw, they're on the other end,
Speaker 1: they're back and way off of him. And that's why
Speaker 1: they struggle against good teams. Those clutch situations and those
Speaker 1: games against the good teams, those are what mimic the
Speaker 1: playoffs most closely. And this is the final stat I'll
Speaker 1: give you. The Jazz are third in regular season defensive
Speaker 1: rating this year. They are twenty fourth in clutch defense
Speaker 1: this season. So when the game slows down at the end,
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