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Speaker 1: the NFL preseason already in full swing. We've got, you know,
Speaker 1: the actual season, I mean college football's coming up right away,
Speaker 1: but we've got the actual season in the NFL coming
Speaker 1: up here soon. And one of the storylines that's been
Speaker 1: kind of going on for a little while now is
Speaker 1: the situation in Cleveland and the situation we will start
Speaker 1: with the Deshaun Watson side of things, who spoke about
Speaker 1: sort of his focus is they get ready to play
Speaker 1: and get ready to perform and ready for the regular
Speaker 1: season and get ready for these preseason games. But also
Speaker 1: he was asked as well during the course of this
Speaker 1: conversation about the reaction he expects to get from fans
Speaker 1: in Cleveland when he does play at home.
Speaker 2: Again, let's take a listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean every opportunity for me, I just want
Speaker 3: to go out there and prove that I'm capable of
Speaker 3: being a starter. But as far as just nailing it
Speaker 3: and trying to yeah, my main focus is just trying
Speaker 3: to improve. You know, I'm not really focused on just
Speaker 3: the composition. You know, I think the front office and
Speaker 3: coach Monken is going to make that decision based on
Speaker 3: how they going to make that decision, you know, So
Speaker 3: you know, I can't really control that as far as
Speaker 3: what they want to go with. But I can't control
Speaker 3: my opportunities and my reps that I get and being
Speaker 3: successful with that.
Speaker 1: You've thought about any type of reaction that you might
Speaker 1: get at the stadium on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Are you prepared for whatever might come?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 2: So take that, Browns fans.
Speaker 1: I take that as he enterest the final a year
Speaker 1: of a two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed contract.
Speaker 2: Screw you.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the right act. Just today, I'm
Speaker 1: getting paid and that's going to take.
Speaker 2: Got me.
Speaker 5: That's the reality is he's what it's called fu mon.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's got that now and he's more focused
Speaker 5: on building back his career than anything else. And when
Speaker 5: the Browns fans want to hear it or not, you know,
Speaker 5: he doesn't doesn't matter, Like it doesn't matter what they think,
Speaker 5: what they care. In his mind, he needs to go
Speaker 5: out there and play to the best of his ability.
Speaker 5: I would say this though, this, this honestly didn't need
Speaker 5: to happen this season. You know, they could have moved
Speaker 5: on from him, we could have gotten rid of all
Speaker 5: this drama could have let Shador start. See what you
Speaker 5: have in Shador, see what you even have, and Dylan
Speaker 5: Gabriel or Taylor Taylor Green, Taylor Green, who's on the
Speaker 5: roster they drafted this year. You could have won with
Speaker 5: any of those options. And I think Brown's fans will
Speaker 5: be more pleased because they're curious and they and there's
Speaker 5: a lot who are rooting for Shador because they want
Speaker 5: to see what he's capable of, especially with his slide
Speaker 5: in the draft. And unfortunately, the Browns just find a
Speaker 5: way of putting themselves in this position every time. The
Speaker 5: fact that they signed to Sean Watson to the deal
Speaker 5: they did, you know, brought him in, traded for him,
Speaker 5: like with everything they did. Like this is one of
Speaker 5: those examples of when we say the right situation, circumstance,
Speaker 5: it never feels it's like that at Cleveland, somehow, somewhere
Speaker 5: they always seem to get in their own way. And
Speaker 5: so these quotes this quarterback competition, the resentment that the
Speaker 5: Browns fans have for the lack of what Deshaun Watson's done,
Speaker 5: the contract that he signed, everything that comes along with it.
Speaker 5: The Browns can't point the finger anywhere else other than themselves.
Speaker 5: And it's top down, it's ownership, it's the front office.
Speaker 5: So you know, this season, we'll see how things go.
Speaker 5: We'll see if Deshaun Watson starts or not, and how
Speaker 5: he performs. But I would have a hard time imagining
Speaker 5: that it's going to turn the feelings of a lot
Speaker 5: of Browns fans where they gonna be rooting for him
Speaker 5: and asking him to be extended. You know, this will
Speaker 5: most likely be his final year in Cleveland. I'd be
Speaker 5: willing to bet on that, and I would not be
Speaker 5: shocked I Shude or Sanders doesn't take over for a
Speaker 5: large portion of this season.
Speaker 4: How much of him not s living up to the
Speaker 4: contract does he have to do with it? How much
Speaker 4: culpability to it.
Speaker 5: But here's the problem. He was never gonna be able
Speaker 5: to live up to that contract. Like, if we're honest
Speaker 5: with ourselves, every single time in free agency we see
Speaker 5: a player, Hey, he reset the market. Hey he's he's
Speaker 5: now the highest paid at this position. You know, Patty
Speaker 5: always is, Hey, we just signed our cornerback to the
Speaker 5: biggest contract ever for a cornerback in NFL. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: it's hard to live up to that, because the expectation
Speaker 5: is that you're gonna be able to play as the
Speaker 5: best cornerback in the NFL every single year until the
Speaker 5: next time your contract's up, and it's just not sustainable
Speaker 5: and that contract won't live the test of time. So
Speaker 5: you know, it's it was never it was never going
Speaker 5: to be a contract he could live up to. In
Speaker 5: the first case, what I loved about the contract was
Speaker 5: for all players, it actually showed you you could find
Speaker 5: an organization that, despite all the off the field stuff,
Speaker 5: was actually willing to give you a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 5: It was amazing. It's amazing. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: well because of how he didn't perform, now instead of
Speaker 5: it being collusion amongst the owners, which I think we
Speaker 5: all agree, everyone looked at Jimmy has them, They're like, dude.
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 5: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: There's never been a contract like it since no And.
Speaker 5: But again they can use the excuse of saying, well,
Speaker 5: look how that turned out, We're not gonna do it.
Speaker 5: Cleveland did like that. That's their excuse to get around
Speaker 5: the collusion of it is it's been such a disaster
Speaker 5: that they can sit there and hang their hat on. Well,
Speaker 5: look how that turned out as opposed to it being no, man,
Speaker 5: we just don't want to give guys five year fully
Speaker 5: guaranteed deals. We don't have to put that much money
Speaker 5: up in escrow. You know that we have to put
Speaker 5: up every single year for these guarantees within the contracts
Speaker 5: on our roster, which is ultimately the truth, but no
Speaker 5: one's ever gonna admit that.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you came to the conclusion that I felt
Speaker 4: like you would come to, and the question being you
Speaker 4: weren't going to You're not going to play the contract and.
Speaker 2: Justify the contract. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 4: And so there's no reason to have any ill feelings
Speaker 4: towards him for saying he doesn't care about what the
Speaker 4: fans think, because if he really cared about what the
Speaker 4: fans thinks, I'm sure he's hurt more than enough from
Speaker 4: the fans by now to know what the fans think
Speaker 4: about him, and it's probably not very positive.
Speaker 2: So hold on the idea of all of this.
Speaker 4: Being where we are right now is more about their
Speaker 4: lack of belief, and this is just my opinion. I
Speaker 4: think it's more about their lack of belief of how
Speaker 4: good this team can be with the current quarterbacks that
Speaker 4: they had before Deshaun Watson was coming back healthy. I
Speaker 4: think the only reason why the we're done with the
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson experiment that the owner came out said, the
Speaker 4: only reason why it makes sense and he can say, ah,
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't, you know, I meant it, but hey,
Speaker 4: it's because you brought in a new coach.
Speaker 2: That new coach came in and.
Speaker 4: He evaluated these players, and this just screams, we got
Speaker 4: to try with Deshaun. We got to try with Deshaun
Speaker 4: Watson because from what I can gather and what I
Speaker 4: can see, he's going to give us the best opportunity
Speaker 4: and the best chance to win. I don't think that well,
Speaker 4: Like first on the comments about I don't care what
Speaker 4: the fans think, Like I get it, like why should
Speaker 4: he care what the fans think?
Speaker 1: He already got paid, et cetera. But but at some point,
Speaker 1: don't you feel a little bit guilty, Like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like I basically walked in there with a towel over
Speaker 1: my shoulder that I've been using, you know, for the
Speaker 1: last few years. At name a place with the neon
Speaker 1: light in the in the front window and a ski
Speaker 1: mask on, and I just took them for two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty million dollars and I haven't really played at all,
Speaker 1: and when I have, the results have been really underwhelming.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I get it that you you know,
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, I don't. I don't care about the fans reaction,
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you want to like give him something like
Speaker 1: wouldn't you feel a little bit guilty? You got paid,
Speaker 1: you let him down? You get I just like that's
Speaker 1: the part that I listen when he says those things, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't care what the reaction of the fans is
Speaker 1: going to be. Why not, it's just.
Speaker 2: Part of the game. Why why? Why was his business?
Speaker 2: It's not his fault. He's getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Like you've signed a record setting contract and not lived
Speaker 1: up to any of it, Like I I would feel guilty,
Speaker 1: like oh man, like, yeah, I didn't I didn't do enough,
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel like I'm glad I got paid.
Speaker 1: I don't regret signing the contract. I regret my performance
Speaker 1: after signing the contrat Then you get to the end
Speaker 1: of your contract and he's probably about to bawl out.
Speaker 1: Oh it's my I can't wait, that's all I want.
Speaker 2: I hope he's the MVP Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, MVP, I hope, And I RANI has to say
Speaker 4: about the Cleveland Browns quarterback, I.
Speaker 5: Will say what I've said there. He would you would
Speaker 5: then be a great tradeable asset.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, you trade him away.
Speaker 5: The hard part is in that instance is they're probably
Speaker 5: winning enough games that they're not in a position to
Speaker 5: draft a quarterback for the future. And if he and
Speaker 5: then you don't even know what you have in Shador.
Speaker 5: But honestly, that's probably is the worst case scenario. Even
Speaker 5: though you'd assume if he's the m v P, they're
Speaker 5: winning the divisions, they lose the Shott play.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 5: Where that's where Cleveland fans are at. They would rather
Speaker 5: lose a bunch of games this season and get Shador
Speaker 5: in their asap to start and play. If Deshaun Watson
Speaker 5: ends up starting, they would rather lose a bunch and
Speaker 5: then get Shador and to see what they have in him,
Speaker 5: and then it positions themselves either to have him as
Speaker 5: the future of if he does well, if he doesn't
Speaker 5: they're drafting one next year, and it could be Arch Manning,
Speaker 5: it could be you know, pick your favorite quarterback in
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty seven draft class. But that is what
Speaker 5: a lot of fans that I here want.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't hear many people clamoring for Deshaun Watson. When
Speaker 5: they talked Browns football, they talk about what their expectations
Speaker 5: are for this season. You know. And by the way,
Speaker 5: even when he first signed, the optimism that folks had
Speaker 5: because of the success that he had in Houston, it
Speaker 5: was kind of like a because what he was dealing
Speaker 5: with off the field, it was like yeah, yeah to
Speaker 5: sign to Sean, Yeah, I hope it goes well. It
Speaker 5: was like it wasn't like a sense of excitement and
Speaker 5: it was more of a sense of like, yeah, we
Speaker 5: kind of are ashamed that this is the route we're going.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like that huh to where there
Speaker 1: was no real all right, we did it, everybody, like
Speaker 1: we finally found our quarterback. It was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about this, Like there was sort of this hesitation
Speaker 1: to really celebrate.
Speaker 5: It's the only organization where if you had some in
Speaker 5: the front office who makes this sort of a say
Speaker 5: it didn't work out, which I think we'd agree it
Speaker 5: hasn't worked out that they wouldn't usually keep their job.
Speaker 5: But like it's status quo, like here we go still
Speaker 5: doing this.
Speaker 1: And that's the other Like they've actually drafted and had
Speaker 1: really good players there, like there's been players that they've
Speaker 1: hit on and you know, quarterback. I mean, look, Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield has been a good quarterback and they let him walk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it's the whole thing. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: other part of this too, because they were talking to
Speaker 1: shoud Or Sanders and he was saying, you know, he
Speaker 1: does he's not really worried about the quarterback competition. So
Speaker 1: I don't think they're like and I'll ask the question,
Speaker 1: why is the Browns quarterback competition even even a topic
Speaker 1: of conversation, because I don't think it's ever existed. I
Speaker 1: don't think there was any shot that shoud Or Sanders
Speaker 1: was going to be name starting quarterback this year other
Speaker 1: than let Deshaun play, let him struggle, and then we'll go.
Speaker 2: To shad Or Sanders.
Speaker 4: I just don't see the damage done by the Shawn
Speaker 4: Watson not playing more. I think fans could easily get
Speaker 4: over the fact that he just played poorly, like he
Speaker 4: just he was a failure as a player for the
Speaker 4: contract that he got. But he played he has not
Speaker 4: played very much at all, as you've alluded to. And
Speaker 4: what it just makes me feel like is again in
Speaker 4: looking at this scenario, DeShawn Watson does not get this
Speaker 4: opportunity if Shador Sanders is the quarterback that they felt
Speaker 4: is for the future. It's a definitive response to saying,
Speaker 4: we do not believe we have the quarterback of our
Speaker 4: future on this roster, including the Shawn Watson. So we're
Speaker 4: gonna give to Shawn Watson the opportunity to play because
Speaker 4: we're not confident we have the player our quarterback for
Speaker 4: the future. This is more of an indictment on the
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that they drafted versus the quarterback versus Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: But thought what was the hope with shud Or Sanders?
Speaker 1: He was a Day three pick, Like I don't understand,
Speaker 1: like why why were why were you banking on that
Speaker 1: being the guy?
Speaker 2: And maybe they weren't.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's there's people who feel like they got good
Speaker 5: value in that, you know, maybe because of whatever the
Speaker 5: perception was of him. Off the field or interviews or
Speaker 5: whatever it is. I mean, you can make up, you know,
Speaker 5: whatever report you read, and that's their justification for why
Speaker 5: he's slid in the draft. But they feel like they're
Speaker 5: getting good value. It's no different than Mike McCarthy saying, hey,
Speaker 5: we got Drew out in the third round, but we
Speaker 5: felt like he was a first round value and he
Speaker 5: looked great his first preseason game. I just there's there's
Speaker 5: optimism because he's the next guy. That's always the case
Speaker 5: when you've got a quarterback who the fans feel like
Speaker 5: is underperforming, the next guy is the fan favorite. He's
Speaker 5: the most intriguing. The tough part for even how this
Speaker 5: performance by Deshaun Watson was was packaged. I mean, it
Speaker 5: looks great on a stat line, is eleven for fifteen
Speaker 5: for like a in twenty six yards. I think he
Speaker 5: had one ball that traveled over ten yards downfield. You know,
Speaker 5: you look at his longest completion, it was a screen
Speaker 5: to Dylan Samson. You know, his average air yards per
Speaker 5: a temp were under five yards, So it was really
Speaker 5: quick dinking and dunking in screens. And that's fine, but
Speaker 5: you're not gonna be able to do that the entirety
Speaker 5: of the season. You know, you've got to be able
Speaker 5: to stretch the field vertically. And that's still where you
Speaker 5: look at his gaming and go, yeah, we used to
Speaker 5: see that in Houston and we've never really seen that
Speaker 5: during his time in Cleveland. And so at least for Shador,
Speaker 5: who I feel like is at a point where he
Speaker 5: likes throwing the ball down the field. He likes taking
Speaker 5: those big shots and chunks. It's entirely different. And with
Speaker 5: the young receivers, they've gotten Casey's conception own and Denzel Boston.
Speaker 5: I'd love to see, you know, what that looks like
Speaker 5: for this year. But again, it's a business too, and
Speaker 5: you've invested a lot of money to Sean Watson and
Speaker 5: they'll probably end up wanting to see it out or
Speaker 5: they probably feel maybe a little more confident in his
Speaker 5: ability as a guy who's been in the NFL or
Speaker 5: around the NFL for a long time to run an offense.
Speaker 5: They give him the best shot they have of getting
Speaker 5: in the right play, running the right play. You know
Speaker 5: that those are all things too that that matter. Where
Speaker 5: you know, shadors into a second year, but he's also
Speaker 5: in his second year with a new offense again, so
Speaker 5: there's gonna be some growing pains in that for him.
Speaker 4: Did Joe Flacco start the season last year for the
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: Did Joe Flacco lose his.
Speaker 5: Remember because he's we had two stints there, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think they was the starting quarterback of the season
Speaker 5: last year for the Cleveland Browns. God was God, that's
Speaker 5: pretty pathetic.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 5: This may's more pathetic.
Speaker 1: Listen, Dorian Thompson Robin like they've been. There's been seventy
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks there in the last three years, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot to keep track.
Speaker 5: Last year, all right, it was Joe Flacco, I believe,
Speaker 5: to start there.
Speaker 2: We go, okay, now, and.
Speaker 1: They traded him after they took him out, but I
Speaker 1: was yeah, but at least they traded him out of
Speaker 1: the division.
Speaker 4: So but hold on, hold on. Did he lose his
Speaker 4: job because of how poorly he was playing?
Speaker 5: Well, I think it was more of how the team
Speaker 5: was playing.
Speaker 2: It's how the team was playing. Okay, he was.
Speaker 5: One, he was one and three in those the starts,
Speaker 5: which he wasn't the problem. Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then you bring in Shador Sanders, and you
Speaker 2: brought in Dylan Gate another loss.
Speaker 4: They didn't win very much when they brought them guys in, right, No,
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just he didn't even like you didn't
Speaker 4: even start those guys. And listen, it's their rookie year,
Speaker 4: so I get it. But Joe Flacco is a journeyman.
Speaker 4: That's he's older, he's at the end of his career.
Speaker 4: Is like on some like Philip Rivers time in terms
Speaker 4: of oh, come on, well maybe not as many kids,
Speaker 4: but not as many kids, but he does he has
Speaker 4: been looking pretty good. Uh but those those rookies, to me,
Speaker 4: you saw both of them because none of them were
Speaker 4: good enough to own the job. And even with a
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl bid, he got a Pro Bowl bit no, no, no.
Speaker 5: No, no, both both had a Pro Bowl season. Fla
Speaker 5: got a Pro Bowl season as well. Okay, I mean
Speaker 5: what NFL roster last year had two Pro Bowl quarterbacks
Speaker 5: on it? Yeah, Browns can say that.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so before you.
Speaker 5: Go any further, be careful. Now they had two Pro
Speaker 5: Bowl quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You remember that. Oh I can't, I must, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm all walk all through this with my
Speaker 1: dude White, Hey, you remember that, Remember that Convention Center
Speaker 1: with the bounce house inside where they had the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl last year?
Speaker 5: Sure they were there. Put some respect on their names. Yeah,
Speaker 5: put some respect on the name of ar you're a
Speaker 5: pro bowler. I just Joe Flaker were there. Who had
Speaker 5: a better year statistically?
Speaker 1: Key Key the moscow in Center, ca Arder.
Speaker 2: Cara Order, Shador Sanders who had to better season last year?
Speaker 1: Cam Warden The proper response is cute because it don't matter.
Speaker 1: Either one of them were very impressive. Listen, all I
Speaker 1: MusD say is.
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson is maybe he isn't lucky because maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 4: I feel like the way he has handled things, he
Speaker 4: don't want to play, no more like he could act
Speaker 4: as though he wants to play. He's ready for this season.
Speaker 4: He don't want to play.
Speaker 1: Well, they took away a superpower. Why would he want
Speaker 1: to play? You saw Sammy Sosil last night, Ask him
Speaker 1: what it was like with up and they tow ship. Thundertowel, Thundertowe.
Speaker 2: Come on, thunder Towel.
Speaker 4: I mean he's made two hundred and thirty million in
Speaker 4: his career to this point. Thunder towels and hoes. That
Speaker 4: should be a T shirt. Yes, that should be a.
Speaker 1: Bo Wait how much?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: How much is Deshaun wantson ma?
Speaker 5: You imagine every one and thirty five million in his career.
Speaker 5: Put those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers.
Speaker 4: You imagine swinging that tow and it's loose, and every
Speaker 4: time he says thundertow, it gets harder.
Speaker 5: What is thundertow?
Speaker 2: That's amazing though, what's all the way he wrecked?
Speaker 5: He's gotten picked just a little bit. He's gotten paid
Speaker 5: that much? And how many games would you say he started?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, how many games? Just in Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Has he started?
Speaker 1: Less than a full season?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, But how many games do you think he
Speaker 5: started in his career?
Speaker 1: I would say.
Speaker 2: Sixty a little more. How many years was he in? Uh?
Speaker 5: And he was in Houston for four years?
Speaker 2: Four years?
Speaker 1: There you go, I'll say, uh, seventy five, it's.
Speaker 5: In the seven He started seventy two total games, Yes,
Speaker 5: in the seventies. That comes out to three point three
Speaker 5: million per game. He's got to be close to an
Speaker 5: all time at all time high as far as what
Speaker 5: he's earned for how little is playing good for him.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Hey, So basically he's better, Hemmer, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: has done better. He's basically he's Kirk Cousins with a fetish.
Speaker 1: Per game, He's done better than Cousins per game. But
Speaker 1: I would say he's had two full seasons his entire career.
Speaker 1: You're talking about two guys that should be in in
Speaker 1: in this the other guy's place. Deshaun should be in
Speaker 1: Vegas and Kirk should be in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: That's really how this this whole thing should work, because
Speaker 1: there's a lot more options for to shot off the
Speaker 1: field in Vegas, I would imagine.
Speaker 5: So hold on, we may have a maybe a decent
Speaker 5: little competition here. Let me try to add this up right,
Speaker 5: all right, Actually it'll be Deshaun. It would be Deshaun
Speaker 5: Watson by a large margin. He In fact, he might
Speaker 5: actually be He might be the highest paid per game
Speaker 5: all time as far as starts go. Kirk Yeah, Cousins
Speaker 5: is below two million per game one hundred and sixty
Speaker 5: seven starts twenty two million.
Speaker 1: If Kirk Cousins had a fetish, he'd be wearing number
Speaker 1: four for the Browns right now. That's great. Hey, good
Speaker 1: for him, man, that's good work if you can get it.
Speaker 1: Proud of him, go Browns.
Speaker 2: They don't have a quarterback. Spot him live than Thank you, LeVar.
Speaker 5: For breaking the news stands. We've been a breaking.
Speaker 2: They don't have a quarterback in Cleveland.
Speaker 5: Oh man, play the music.
Speaker 2: And that's stuff to come to the stage.
Speaker 1: Real selective about our breaking news here some people that
Speaker 1: aren't thrilled with a sort of recklessly using breaking news.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh really, Oh yeah, you're not allowed to use it.
Speaker 2: We're not allowed to.
Speaker 4: That was I thought that was great with it anyway.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we can't use breaking news unless there is
Speaker 4: literally breaking news.
Speaker 1: Tvar sticks the landing on the conversation with they don't
Speaker 1: have a quarterback.
Speaker 5: Recognize that he does really well is very similar to Prisco.
Speaker 5: You give me very succinct. He'll just say, Nope, they
Speaker 5: don't got one.
Speaker 2: I don't have it. I mean that's that.
Speaker 5: That's no analysis needed, It's just they don't got it.
Speaker 5: We've talked about it now too long.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
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Speaker 4: Thought that was the Narcos theme song for two seconds. Man,
Speaker 4: what a great theme song. I thought, I prefet was
Speaker 4: just going in on me all show long today.
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Speaker 1: is one of my intro songs, you know, ironically coincidentally.
Speaker 4: I don't know which one you want to call it,
Speaker 4: but a former Penn State football player is one of
Speaker 4: the agents in the in the show. Yes, really, the
Speaker 4: black agents, that one, that one. It was only one.
Speaker 4: There was only one, all Yes, I don't think so,
Speaker 4: I just think it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean.
Speaker 1: He he he was former Penn State player and was good.
Speaker 1: He played with me. Yeah, and I was older. But yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's Horse Dodd. He was like a guy.
Speaker 4: I think he's from Connecticut if my recollection serves me correctly.
Speaker 4: He was one of the top players coming out of
Speaker 4: high school.
Speaker 2: Where's it not?
Speaker 1: That's awesome and he lives out here in Cali, shouts
Speaker 1: out to my homie man. Great show, one of the
Speaker 1: all time great Netflix shows. Yeah, Narcos.
Speaker 4: They was after a pledge of Pledge Pledge, Gabal Pledge Gabar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was after him.
Speaker 4: He was trying to get Pledge Gabar, who knew he
Speaker 4: was an agent when he was playing like he was,
Speaker 4: he was undercover. He wasn't even there to play football.
Speaker 4: He was he was a narco's uh.
Speaker 1: You know, like I'm just saying, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: just start a fight here. I'm just saying, you would
Speaker 1: never hear these stories at Notre Dame for some reason.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know what that. You know,
Speaker 2: it just seems like the fact.
Speaker 5: You know, back when I was back. I think maybe
Speaker 5: either before I went to Notre Dame or right as
Speaker 5: I got there he was a freshman. I'm trying to
Speaker 5: think when Jeff Smoker was there in Michigan State, there
Speaker 5: were some uh, there were some allegations there involving the
Speaker 5: old the good old powder.
Speaker 4: I mean, hey, I mean and you know, some catch
Speaker 4: use what's it called to stay awake and stay stay
Speaker 4: focused adderall? You know, that's I mean, just yeah, anyway,
Speaker 4: college students try to find ways to be able to
Speaker 4: stay awake and keep their energy level up. You know,
Speaker 4: you just hope nobody damage their lives or anything like
Speaker 4: that while they were going through that learning process. You know,
Speaker 4: some people have gone to pills. Some people go to
Speaker 4: booger sugar. I mean, I'm just saying I send out
Speaker 4: positive energy and thoughts to all of those impacted by
Speaker 4: the narcotics that have been found on campus. It'll be okay,
Speaker 4: you know, just be better. That's all we all go
Speaker 4: through life. We all go through seasons of life where
Speaker 4: we try to figure it out and find our way,
Speaker 4: and you know, you want more energy when you're doing it.
Speaker 4: You know, the healthy way is to use things like
Speaker 4: gim drive or you know, stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 4: get coffee, like you said, you know, but some people
Speaker 4: go a little bit more extreme.
Speaker 1: Hey, uh to eat their own man. But it'll be uh,
Speaker 1: it'll be a real uh be a real, real different
Speaker 1: different situation at Beaver Stadium, much like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a different situation when Rory McElroy. Yeah, all right, old
Speaker 1: uh old Rory mac mister, mister pound the table for
Speaker 1: p g A. By the way, I want to blow
Speaker 1: hard Rory McElroy is I just want to say that
Speaker 1: on the record, I'm tired of betting on him and
Speaker 1: losing every tournament and yet winning the ones that I
Speaker 1: don't bet on him.
Speaker 2: That pisses me off.
Speaker 1: So I got a problem with him, but uh, he's
Speaker 1: got a problem with live golfers returning.
Speaker 2: To the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: I don't want uh, you know, Scott O'Neill, you know,
Speaker 1: who's kind of you know, pushing the uh the live
Speaker 1: stuff here, letting everybody know, don't count us out, don't
Speaker 1: count us out. You've got you know, other players like
Speaker 1: Scotty Scheffler who are a little bit more supportive. Scotty
Speaker 1: Scheffler spoke about welcoming back some of the live players
Speaker 1: to the tour.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen, like when.
Speaker 8: We talk about the best players, you know, lives has a.
Speaker 5: Few players that are really good.
Speaker 8: You know, I think the depth that we have on
Speaker 8: our tour is a bit unmatched. But I think when
Speaker 8: you look at the higher levels of live golf, there's
Speaker 8: definitely some players that would provide, you know, a lot
Speaker 8: of value to the tour and guys that I love
Speaker 8: competing against as well, And so I think going forward,
Speaker 8: there obviously has to be I think some sort of penalties.
Speaker 2: What those are?
Speaker 5: You know, I'll let roll up and all those guys
Speaker 5: figured out.
Speaker 8: You know, we have great leadership within the tour now,
Speaker 8: but I think having those guys come back and competing
Speaker 8: with whatever happens with LIV Whether those guys want to
Speaker 8: leave or mean, you got to ask them, But I
Speaker 8: think for me being able to compete against the best
Speaker 8: players in the world, you know, there's certainly some guys
Speaker 8: on that tour that can compete out here, and you know,
Speaker 8: I look forward to the chance to compete with them
Speaker 8: more often.
Speaker 1: So there's a welcoming tone from Scotti, Scheffler, and then
Speaker 1: you've got Rory McElroy who talked about what sort of
Speaker 1: value these golfers would bring to the PGA Tour.
Speaker 8: Ry Scotty was asked about the possibility of live guys
Speaker 8: coming back and whether they bring value in your opinion,
Speaker 8: are there guys if it goes away that that should
Speaker 8: be allowed back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd argue have they brought value to Live
Speaker 1: thank you know, I think PJ tour is in a
Speaker 1: really good spot.
Speaker 5: God he's not wrong. You know. Ultimately they were so
Speaker 5: successful in driving ratings to the Live Tour then crowds
Speaker 5: to Live Tour. They wouldn't have folded like this that
Speaker 5: Sadi would have pulled back from funding that league. So
Speaker 5: there's truth. There's truth to both of it. Because I
Speaker 5: think you see in majors too, that there are a
Speaker 5: handful of players who have been able to compete contend
Speaker 5: in majors to a degree. But the business model for
Speaker 5: live tour and we have Scott O'Neill's sound on this
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say take a listen to a.
Speaker 5: Wh why don't we play Scott on Neil. We'll get
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 1: We have work to do, you know, we have things
Speaker 1: we have to accomplish. There are hurdles we have to
Speaker 1: jump over. There's it's a very complex transaction we'll have
Speaker 1: to deliver.
Speaker 2: But man, I won't bet against this. Hey keep hope alive, baby,
Speaker 2: and that's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's for the lives. I don't know, And I
Speaker 5: think that's the hard part is you know, they could
Speaker 5: even find a real betting sponsor, right. It makes it
Speaker 5: tough to bet against them, whether you want to or
Speaker 5: bet with them. The timing of these matches being international
Speaker 5: destinations makes it harder for people not only to watch
Speaker 5: because it might be on at two am on the
Speaker 5: East coast or or you know, laid on the West coast,
Speaker 5: but you're not only not getting ratings, you're not not
Speaker 5: even getting people who are able to live bet on it.
Speaker 5: So there's a number of things.
Speaker 2: That hurt them.
Speaker 5: I think the shotgun starts that their format, the way
Speaker 5: they played that it didn't play to their advantage. There
Speaker 5: were some things though, that the Live brought the PGA Tour,
Speaker 5: and that was a renewed sense of hey, there is
Speaker 5: an idea that someone else can start of a league
Speaker 5: like this and compete. And you can't say that the
Speaker 5: Live Tour starting up didn't benefit the PGA Tour. Many
Speaker 5: all those players have greater benefits now, the purses, the
Speaker 5: way they've got about the Championship Series, which we're starting
Speaker 5: in I believe twenty twenty seven, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: So there's a plenty of good that came to the
Speaker 5: PGA Tour from the competition of the Live Tour. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: the Live Tour's model just wasn't sustainable.
Speaker 2: So you guys, remember, you guys, remember when.
Speaker 4: When Quintus said the Maximus Decimus Meridius right before the battle,
Speaker 4: people should know when they're defeated. You know what that
Speaker 4: quote was. That was Russell Crowe saying would you I
Speaker 4: would you Quintus would I? I mean they're defeated. It's over, Johnny,
Speaker 4: pack it up, beg to get back into the PGA.
Speaker 4: Stop fighting, give up, and all these people behind you
Speaker 4: with weapons they're about to die with you tell them
Speaker 4: to put the weapons down and say, you know.
Speaker 2: What, we were just playing. We were just playing.
Speaker 4: We're coming back, We're coming back over there, which out
Speaker 4: like we were just playing around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like I don't, like, I get why Rory
Speaker 1: mcclroy wants to be loyal and he and he's loyal
Speaker 1: to PGA, and I totally get that, and I respect it.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, But I don't begrudge any of these.
Speaker 2: Guys for going to get the money. Yeah, they got all.
Speaker 1: They got big time call and there got guaranteed money
Speaker 1: that that they probably weren't going to.
Speaker 2: Get on this.
Speaker 4: I know we don't have a lot of time, but
Speaker 4: I would pose this to you guys. Don't you have
Speaker 4: to go a Rory McElroy approach to this and be
Speaker 4: hardcore on it and iron fist on it and and
Speaker 4: unforgiving on it so it never happens again. This is
Speaker 4: a great opportunity to stop people from ever trying to
Speaker 4: ever do this again and defect.
Speaker 5: I think that's one way of looking at it, I think, look,
Speaker 5: the people always had an issue with where the money
Speaker 5: came from and the ties to that money. That was
Speaker 5: part of the thought to it. There was also a
Speaker 5: thought of, yeah, you know, they're making all this money,
Speaker 5: at least initially, but if it's just about a money grab,
Speaker 5: if it's not really about golf, and obviously they weren't
Speaker 5: even playing as much golf on that tour, and I
Speaker 5: think you can ask guys who came back like it
Speaker 5: kind of took away from the competitive spirit of the
Speaker 5: game because they got their money, so they're good. So
Speaker 5: now they're just out there kind of playing golf in
Speaker 5: a much more leisurely way, and it ended up not
Speaker 5: being as compelling of a product at the end of
Speaker 5: the day. But to your point, LeVar like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: think if you take a strong stance, if you penalize
Speaker 5: these guys, which I think John Ram's got to pay
Speaker 5: what twenty five million to come back on the tours
Speaker 5: what I reportedly saw. I mean, that's a heavy penalty
Speaker 5: to come back, and it should be because if they
Speaker 5: got the money and that was all it was about,
Speaker 5: then all right, like give us some back into into
Speaker 5: the tour. Help prop us back up again, and for
Speaker 5: all all the guys who stayed loyal and the guys
Speaker 5: who've been grinding it out competing as part of it.
Speaker 5: You can call them stupid in one way, but you
Speaker 5: can also look at it and say like there should be
Speaker 5: some sort of reward for their loyalty. And I think
Speaker 5: it's one of the things that Roy's trying to protect
Speaker 5: in all of this this there's a bunch of guys
Speaker 5: who've been competing their ass off, who didn't try to
Speaker 5: go take maybe a guaranteed bigger paycheck on a what if,
Speaker 5: And they're trying to respect those guys as well.
Speaker 4: I think you just got it. You gotta stomp it out.
Speaker 4: You got to stomp it out, man, you know Russell
Speaker 4: Crow said it, I'll stay with Gladiator. When you see
Speaker 4: the signal release hal on them. You got to destroy
Speaker 4: these cats. I mean no coming back. If you leave
Speaker 4: any there will be eggs, they will hatch. You will
Speaker 4: have the infestation again. You have to delete it at
Speaker 4: the root, at the core, so it never comes back.
Speaker 1: Do we really want to do anybody want to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of a look, and I you know
Speaker 1: where some of the money came from. From some of
Speaker 1: Rory's sponsors as well too. I mean, if we want
Speaker 1: to play that game, that game, that's what you do.
Speaker 1: If we want to play that game, we can play
Speaker 1: that game. And you felt But that's just what this is,
Speaker 1: what this is all about. Where did it come from?
Speaker 1: Where's the sponsor dollars come from? Telling I'm saying I
Speaker 1: don't begrudge anybody for going out, and I understand you
Speaker 1: feel how you want to feel at all that, but
Speaker 1: those guys made a personal choice and they wanted to
Speaker 1: get paid, and they were offered a ton of money.
Speaker 2: And if we're.
Speaker 1: Really going to go like, well where did this money
Speaker 1: come from? If you play that game, you could do
Speaker 1: that any which way with any golf or any o.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's not quite the same though, Like like
Speaker 5: the PIFF the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia and
Speaker 5: its ties to whether it's human rights groups or the
Speaker 5: families of nine to eleven, those victims and those ties,
Speaker 5: that's real, dude, Like you can dismiss it, but in reality,
Speaker 5: like all that stuff is real, and and you can
Speaker 5: understand why there's a lot of people who are hurt
Speaker 5: by it. So you could say it's about money. Whatever
Speaker 5: you want, but this definitely hit home to a lot
Speaker 5: of people who had to suffer through nine to eleven
Speaker 5: are still suffering to this day.
Speaker 1: No, and and and it's I'm not dismissing it at all,
Speaker 1: and all of that is real. I just think that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not so like Rory's standing and preaching
Speaker 1: and letting everybody know it's not cool.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm going to defend the.
Speaker 1: It's like, man, do you have his list of sponsors?
Speaker 1: Rory's yes, He's got a bunch. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: have the list? You said it like, he's like, he's
Speaker 1: the one the same exact thing, fairly sure. Nike's one
Speaker 1: of his sponsors.
Speaker 2: Use Nike as that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying that's one that I can recall.
Speaker 1: I see improve.
Speaker 5: Things Taylor made Omega. I'm not sure that you take
Speaker 5: it's the same category. Yeah, I don't think it is
Speaker 5: not at all.
Speaker 4: But you going you go down to human right work,
Speaker 4: got it, You're going down to human right play, dude, White.
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Speaker 1: my point was proven correct that living in southern California. Uh,
Speaker 1: we are spoiled with authentic Mexican food because I had
Speaker 1: some in Chicago and I'm not going to out the place.
Speaker 2: But man, oh man, it was not authentic. Everybody got
Speaker 2: that work.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, everyone in Chicago goes there for their Mexican food.
Speaker 1: Joannes, Hey, look, I just want to do a I
Speaker 1: wanted to go try it out as an expert, as
Speaker 1: somebody who married it, because I'm sure.
Speaker 5: How many times I mean, forget deep pizza, I mean
Speaker 5: right next tore the list is besides the Chicago Dog.
Speaker 1: And had a little bit of everything.
Speaker 4: I've never understand do it this since we don't have
Speaker 4: any time? How can you have a Philly cheese steak
Speaker 4: in La How can you have French fries in America?
Speaker 4: I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Like, if it's a if it belonged to a place,
Speaker 1: leave it there. If it's Spanish rice, you should be
Speaker 1: somewhere in Spain. Well, look, I mean there's a there's
Speaker 1: some Spanish right If we're in America, You're not gonna
Speaker 1: Hamburger outside of Germany at Hamburg.
Speaker 4: How please tell me how you got a New York
Speaker 4: style pizza?
Speaker 5: Very carefully.
Speaker 1: LeVar Wisconsin. Yeah, they had Wisconsin cheese curds in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Solid all right, everything else solid, everything else, everything else solid, said,
Speaker 1: I'm confused.
Speaker 5: I just I would never take Jonasa's vice. Wasn't going
Speaker 5: anywhere for food. I just wouldn't. I've seen too much
Speaker 5: the places you try to like hype up it's it's
Speaker 5: not a good.
Speaker 1: First of all, I gave you a recommendation. You walked
Speaker 1: by it, you were super judgment I never walked by it.
Speaker 1: You walked by you said you walked by it. You're
Speaker 1: like and and and I quote place looks like an asshole.
Speaker 5: I didn't walk by it, never walked by it. Was
Speaker 5: in a car. I was like, Oh, there's the place
Speaker 5: that Jonas is talking.
Speaker 1: About last time. That's fine. Way to go get some
Speaker 1: more Mexican food in Chicago. The bridge of recommendations from
Speaker 1: me years over. Yeah, I'm going to go get me
Speaker 1: a Chicago deep ditch today in Beverly Hills. Yes, you are,
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