WEBVTT - Slam Dunk with Bart Johnson 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.040 And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.080 an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.520 Welcome to you, and that's what you really missed podcasts. Today, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.960 we've got another high school musical and the podcast friend 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:23.840 bar Johnson's her coach Bolton, coach Bolton, the basketball dad 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:25.200 of our generation. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.560 Yes, of course, the sweet parent. You know what we 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.160 love in a musical is a great parent. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:31.760 That's right, that's right, you know. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:37.319 And he is sweet and great and also comes up. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.879 He's like, find out he's from Hollywood. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.840 Royalty, basically grew up on sets. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.960 Yes, and hearing him talk about high school musical is 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.280 illuminating and it makes so much sense as to why 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.920 it became the beast that it became. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.880 And he's got a new podcast, so let's get into it. 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.400 Thank you so much for like coming on here and 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.080 doing this with us. Thanks for having me our podcast brother. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.560 Yeah, I like that. I like that. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.160 Now we're part of a family. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.320 Yeah, I'll see at the Christmas party. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.160 I guess that's right. Probably is there a Christmas party? 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.920 We need to have one there there are some Kevin, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.600 we just really are bad at I'm really bad at 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:22.400 attending things. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.720 How long have you guys been doing together. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.759 Oh my gosh, since before twenty. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.920 Years three years? Wow? Yeah, okay, no longer. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.479 You know when we started with Our Heart three years 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.039 My Heart three years. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.399 Probably longer than that. I think twenty eighteen we started 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.520 doing the other one. So yeah, yeah, okay, and he 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.000 excused to hang out. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.160 Yeah, you know, but you just started your podcast, right, 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.160 just started. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.920 Yeah. I've just been a guest on so many and 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.000 I was like, you know, I kind of like this stuff, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.600 like this is pretty fun, I want to do it. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:56.160 Yeah. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.040 So I'm glad it worked out. And it's like kind 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.640 of perfect timing. You know, it's a twenty nniversary on 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:06.880 on January, amazing, lots to talk about so things. Yeah, 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.160 it's been you know, it's like it's not like you 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.680 do anything, you know, just cash those two dollars checks 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:14.839 all day. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.480 Yes, How has it been so far? Have you enjoyed 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:19.639 doing it? 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.040 Oh? It's that great. Yeah, I'm a super I'm so 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.840 brand new. I don't know yeah yet, but it's been great. Yeah, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.639 Like everybody's been awesome, and like it's providing opportunities to 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.720 meet people like you guys, So it's uh. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.720 Yeah, I like people likewise you're a. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.600 Very iconic Disney dad to us. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:39.560 Oh yeah, and. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.160 We just watched High School Musical and of course along 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.079 you know, our Holy Journey. In every press event, media event, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.799 it's always you know, did do you feel like high 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.639 School Musical paved the way for you? How are you 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.480 different than high School Musical? Are you? Guys? 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:53.640 Like? 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.360 It was just it was crazy to be compared so 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.360 deeply to you guys, And it was such an honor 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.560 because high school really did pave the way for Glee 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.520 in a lot of ways, and so it was such 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.960 a huge phenomenon. And I'm curious, like when you were 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.720 in the trenches, we know that you guys, that was 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.200 such a fast The first one was such a you know, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.200 fast filming and kind of like makes your head spin 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.120 a little bit, like did you know or could you 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.920 tell uh when you were filming this that this was 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 going to be something so much bigger than it? 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:31.360 You know? 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.800 Well it was. It's kind of interesting because I remember 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.680 when Glee was being cast and it was already like 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.120 so much buzz, Like everybody was like, there's a big show. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.320 There's going to be a big, important musical show. And 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.160 it was of course, but yeah, this. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.000 Was we knew that. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:47.680 Did you not feel that we were? 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:48.120 Now? 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:48.200 No? 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.760 Really yeah really no? 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.760 Well when did you guys know, like when. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.360 It aired in the pilot air But even after the 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.520 pilot aired and it did really well, were like, well 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.960 we'll see. Yeah, yeah, you know, things got canceled so 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.440 quickly back then that you just never. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.920 Knewally, did you guys do a pilot and then wait 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:09.560 for the pickup? 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:11.800 Yeah, yes, gold. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.920 Yes man where they would go to upfronts and the whole. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.080 Thing here, Like it was pretty quick. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.560 I mean I think we got picked We finished filming 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.160 in October thirty first, and we got picked up like 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.200 mid December, so it was pretty quick. We didn't have 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:26.039 to wait too long, which was nice. But we aired 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.640 the pilot and we were supposed to be a mid 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:32.080 season uh drop in, and they wanted to wait until 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.080 the fall to launch us and do a proper launch, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.520 and so they aired the pilot and then it was 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.479 months and months and months before we actually aired the whole. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.279 Yeah oh interesting, wow, But it was right after High 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.680 School Musical, Like I think, you know, we filmed the 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.680 pilot a year after Hih School Musical came out, and 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.040 so first one after the first one, and like we 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.480 all auditioned for I auditioned for a high school musical 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.039 and we're watching it because it was like we all 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.440 grew up doing you know, I did music and TV 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.919 genit did musical theater, and it was like, there's not 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.600 many opportunities to be able to join those things together. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.479 So high school musical was sort of it for like 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.760 people in our age range. And I remember when that 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.120 came out and it blew up. It was just sort 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.560 of shocking. And I know when people ask us all 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:19.719 the time, like, oh, do you know Glee was going 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.280 to be successful? Like no, but we we enjoyed the experience. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:25.880 The experience to us was special. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:26.680 Yeah. Yeah. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.359 And we talked to Lucas last week and he was, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.560 you know, he was saying, how you know, you guys 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.279 they were rehearsing and you're shooting in Utah and you 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.720 all became a family and you bonded and you had 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.080 that special experience. But like then it's sort of you 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.560 don't you don't know, you have no idea. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.000 Yeah, yeah, no, that's I'm to answer your question. Like 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.600 nobody knew. Everybody was just excited to have a job. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.839 I mean, it was a small budget, four week shoot. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.200 It was like a little to see movie. Now. I 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.200 knew Kenny Ortega from a long time ago. I met 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.000 him on the set of Newsies, which was a big 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.320 Disney movie, one. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.200 Of the best, one of our favorites. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.720 Yeah. You of course, you guys would have really appreciate that. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.360 Oh my god, yes, yeah, I know. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.200 I was just get my It was funny because my 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.160 mom was actually the hairstylist on Newsy's. So I was 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:13.720 like hanging out. But then I got to be you know, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.200 got to know Christa Bale and Dave Moscow and Ellie 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.520 Keats and like, the guys became my friends and they 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:19.960 were my age. Was the whole reason. It is the 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.200 reason I became an actor, because I was like, wait, well, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.560 you guys, you're it's amazing, Like you're doing this for 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.880 a living, like I'm I'm dropping out of college. Which yeah, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.479 to my parents, you know, alright, he's. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:35.760 Done, all right, it's okay. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.520 It's take a long time before they thought it was okay. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.960 But yeah, but uh, so I knew Kenny had done 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.960 something really amazing and uh and then he did, of 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.760 course hocus Pocus after that, so I know, he's he's 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.560 got this big, huge vision and he's choreographed Michael Jackson's 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.840 Tourist for fourteen years, choreographed so many amazing dirty dancing 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.039 and Xander due by all these big, amazing, iconic movies. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.520 So I knew it was like something really special. That's 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.000 why when when he called me and said, Disney's casting 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.080 this this uh this movie. It's a Disney Channel movie. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.640 But they're giving me my selects, Like here's the people 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.920 that have worked in the Disney Channel world. We want 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.160 you to pick from this group of people. Went through 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.000 all of them, and he's like, this is not this 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.119 is not my coach. Like, I got to find my coach. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.880 And so he called me and he said you were 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.880 the coach. You're my coach. So I was like, okay, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:24.480 and he's. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.480 Like, look at the DEALA just calling you. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.320 I know it's amazing, but you know it was I 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.040 had to go audition for the thing. And he said, uh, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.800 you know, it's a little movie. It's it's it's a 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.640 Disney it's just a Disney Channel movie. Not a lot 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.560 of people are going to see it. There's no money involved, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.400 there's no name. We're just calling it high school musical 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:44.800 until we come up with a name, but we're going 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.360 to go to you U Tom or have a blast, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.760 come be my coach. And I was like okay, So 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.360 I went into audition for it. I didn't get it, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:52.840 and then like a few days later, he goes, well, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.880 happy you didn't get the part, and he's like, well, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.160 I don't know, I don't know, and he's like what 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.160 did you wear? And I'm like it's like a T shirt. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.640 And I'd never played his dad before and played a coach, 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:01.640 like I was always like. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.360 Playing for you, and when you auditioned for this. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.160 That's a good question, I bet I was like, uh, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:15.560 thirty thirty, early thirties. I was early thirty. So like, well, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.200 he goes, you can't go in like dressed, like you know, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.240 you got to Payn's dad, And I'm like, who's that Gfron? 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.280 Like at that point, like nobody knew who the this 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.000 soon to be superstar was. You know, you've done one 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.040 little show before summer Land, a. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.559 Little Summerland I love, Yeah, yeah. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.720 Yeah yeah. But uh so he got me a screen 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.360 test after that and he had me put Gray in 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.800 like I don't really have great still and my fake 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.360 heavens it's common. It's kind of I know, it's kind of. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.280 I think it's kin of. But you put me gray 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.040 in my hair, like put on like a snow back 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.080 and he goes go in there and actor age. I'm like, okay, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.640 but like I had to be like sixteen years old 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.240 to have a son that age of the time. So 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.959 it was like, you know, I tried so hard to 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.440 get that move and then it got the part, and 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.080 then I said, I'm not too young to play this role, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.520 you know. After Yeah, but I don't think there was 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.240 any really any indication that it was going to be 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.800 as big as it, Like, there no idea. There was 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.880 this moment though, when we were shooting you know, the 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.600 song stick to the Status quote was like in the 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.880 cat it's so good. And I remember sitting there like 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.360 watching that and I was sitting a video village and 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.160 I was watching Kenny's monitors and I was like, this 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.280 is this doesn't feel I mean, I'm still didn't think 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:31.840 it was a big, big deal, but I was like, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:37.120 this doesn't feel small. Right. Y was pretty special and 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.680 he had just uh, he just directed the opening closing 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.760 ceremonies of the Winter Olympics. And like, you know that was. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.760 Like his vis world. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.880 Yeah, he's like this big and he's like, I'm going 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.880 to make it a little dizzy channel. But so, you know, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.640 I think that the success can be uh you know, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.360 sort of followed back right right to Kenny Otakea's door. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:56.960 Yeah. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.880 But then but still then what was interesting about it is, uh, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.840 there was no special press. They didn't like promote it 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.840 any different than any other shows. Really no indication. We 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.200 had a little premiere on the you know, the little 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.600 movie theater on the Disney lot. It's a tiny, little, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.480 yeah theater, little that was our premiere. I remember it 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.640 was raining, like we're all clothes are wet, and you know, 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.400 it's like, yeah, whatever, I drove by motorcycle of the 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.400 raid excided. I don't know why, but uh, I think choices. Well, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.000 I'm like my shirts all wet in the premiere photos 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.880 and it was like a big deal. And then out 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.040 of nowhere, the movie premiered and the next day the 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.760 reports came in. It was the most watched cable show 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.040 ever of all time, eighteen million people. Just staggering numbers, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.240 crazy numbers. Yeah. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:46.320 Wow, we were both we were both one of those people. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.000 oh yeah, really, yeah, yeah, it's amazing. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.480 It's amazing to me that it resonated so much just 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.360 in the promo material that it would have such a 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.520 not only did it have like the growth that it did, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.439 but what was it like while the movie is promoted 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.720 that got you guys like, oh this is we're stoked 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.040 to watch this? Like I don't, I don't still, you know. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.680 I think like the perfect combination of like the sort 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.400 of cliche high school aesthetic of it all and then 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.679 having a musical that that never happens like at that 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.920 at that time, you know, like Chicago had come out 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.400 several years before Mulan Rouge, like those things are in 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.080 the zeitgeist, but there was that's for like older people, right, 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.040 like there was nothing for teens, and like Disney Channel 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.000 had a new movie every single month on Disney Channel, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.160 and it was they were always so different, but there 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.760 was also a formula to it. And so I feel 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.440 like they broke their formula a bit with it. And then, 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.440 like you said, the Kenny Ortega of it all, where 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.480 it feels and looks different when you have someone of 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:52.920 that expertise level, yeah doing it and somehow it's like 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.240 one of those magical things where like you can't ever 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.320 plan for a hit, but everything aligned, like that's what 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.040 the people wanted, and you had the right people in it. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.800 You had the right people doing it behind the scenes, right, 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.400 And I mean it struck a chord clearly, not just 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:13.520 with us, but millions and millions of people. And you know, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.520 we were talking about when we were doing a TV 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.560 show and you're locked away on the stages and you're 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.760 able to film it and if it's like you know, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.679 we were food film an episode and it'd be on 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.360 air in three weeks, but you were never in public. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.280 When you do a movie, it's a very different experience. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.120 And so and I imagine for you, like with our show, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.600 where there were like quote unquote the adults and then us, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.480 even though sometimes we were only a few years apart, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.000 those are different experiences within the show. And so I'm 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.080 wondering how for you, like when that show, when that 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.680 movie came out and blew up, all of you became 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.040 immediately recognizable to everyone, because it's like, if you're famous 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.120 with kids, you're then famous with the parents, you're famous 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.680 with an entire household. And so what did that feel like? 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.880 Because like you shot this thing. You don't hear anything 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.720 for months, it's not out comes out and literally for you, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:08.080 overnight it became this gigantic wild thing. Yeah, what was 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.760 that like you going in public after that? 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.600 Well, it was actually for me. I think my experience 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.560 is probably totally different than everyone else because when that shoot, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.600 when that show blew up, everybody was after Zach, Vanessa 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.920 and Ashley Corp Like they're all like the you know, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.880 they were hunting them down, like this is the new crop. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.240 Like these guys resonate, they're the superstars. We want them 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.760 like old guys stepped to the back. And the whole 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.240 time it was a little bit of like there's a little 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.560 uh dose of humility there the whole time. You know, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:36.880 at that point in my career, I'd done you know, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.959 I don't know, fifty movies or something like that before 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.679 I did this one. And this is the first one 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.400 where it's like, Okay, now everybody's gonna play basketball. You 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.080 go stand over there, and I was like, what, like, yeah, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.880 I used to play basketball in the movies that I 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.439 the stand of the side, So that was a little different. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.280 And I think when like when the movie blew up, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.760 like nobody really cared about me, Like, like I think, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.840 to be honest, I think it like kind of hurt 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.520 my career a little bit for like ten years because 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.480 it's like you're not going to go get on like 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.280 a cool HBO show, like you guys know how it is, Like, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.680 especially back then, it's like that's not the guy they're 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.680 looking for, or who played the dad in the Disney Channel. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.640 It was like this, that's not that's not cool. There's 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.080 nothing cool about that. So uh, just the success that 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.560 a Disney channel is different than when it becomes like 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.720 an iconic global phenomenon that that becomes a little different. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.320 So for me from my experience, like the first I 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.640 don't know, several years, I couldn't go to like an 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.840 elementary school. The parents didn't know who I was, Like 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.880 no one had a clue, Like nobody could hire me 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.520 knew who I was. But like I got a video 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.200 of being like sworn by like hundreds of kids in 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.440 elementary school. I did take my kids elementary. It was crazy. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.560 But then I go to junior high. Nobody knew who 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.720 I was. And then a couple of years later my 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.200 kids are all like in this eight like the same 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.600 age of like the target demographic. So you're high, and 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.240 then it's like this is crazy to your high and 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.560 then a few years later, now it's crazy in high school. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.400 And now it's like now it's like for some reason, 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.360 it's almost like elementary school, junior high, heavy in college 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.880 and in high school. So it's like the demographics got older, 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.320 and then I get now I've got I got a 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.200 couple of jobs, like on TV, Like I did a 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.960 show I did All American and the showrunner I was 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.360 working on show as a guest. I was cool, it 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.480 was great, great job. And then the show when I 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.360 came from Wondering, it's like I'm a big wildcat. I 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.480 was like, oh, let's go have jobs. I love it, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.960 and she was students could be. But yeah, that war 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.440 is pretty nice. So now now that it's like global, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.000 it's different and like I feel like I get recognized 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.160 more now, Like just the last month, I mean I 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.640 was stopped in the airport maybe twenty five times for photos. Wow, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.800 more way more now than it was twenty years ago. Yeah. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.600 Right, set streaming and it's like new crop of kids, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.960 like we have kids who are too young to watch 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.960 Glee when it was on, but now are those teenagers 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.440 now that are re you know, they're rediscovering this new show. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.080 And you went and did High School Musical the TV 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.120 show in the last season, right, yeah, yeah wow for. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.400 The final season. Yeah that was fun. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.760 Wild? Is that to like come back and it still 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.240 lives on like that? 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.960 That was wild? That was wild. I mean it's been 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.920 so funs but it's like the greatest gift ever. You know, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.960 I've done I've been working for like like three decades 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.040 now in Hollywood, and it's like I've done one movie 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.440 that has like touches people's souls where they come up 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.320 to you and they say things like and you guys 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:30.960 probably get this too, because like I don't know something 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.160 from musicals they like they yes, they go deep with people. 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.320 And then you, guys, you had a pretty young audience too, right, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.400 like a lot of people. So then they come up 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.480 to you and say things like you don't understand, like 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.640 how many people like the sentence starts like that, right, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.400 you don't understand. I needed this, Like this helped me. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.960 This is they all got a story and it's like 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.920 this is the greatest gift ever. I love it. I 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.080 love it best. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.920 So happy you feel that way because you're you keep 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.960 saying you're like, you know, I've done a bunch of movies. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.040 I've been doing this for three decades. But it's like, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.000 how lucky are we to be in something just like 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.560 one thing that affects people like that. It's such a 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:08.439 tough no. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.159 I totally like a lot of people, like, I mean, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.000 sure you guys interview people are like they don't want 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.040 to talk about that thing. They've moved on. I want 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.439 to focus on, you know, like I'm doing something. You know, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.160 I've been. I'm on Landman, I'm recurrent on Landman right now, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.359 I'm not. But you know, like it's not special like 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.439 this one, you know, and people tell me like I 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.320 do tiktoks and throwbacks and the comments are always so 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.679 nice on social media. I swear I've got the nicest followers, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.640 the nicest comments, and then every once a while someone 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.200 will be nasty and they're like, move on, bro, come on, dude, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.040 move on. Why why it makes people happy? I love it, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.359 like I think it so I fully embrace it and 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.000 I'm not I'm not trying to shy away from it. Ever. Yeah, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.720 it's a gift. I think it's such a gift to 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:51.760 be a part of something like that. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.359 So I heard that on your podcast. You said there 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:08.160 was supposed to be a musical number Coach Balton and 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.800 Missus Darvis. What happened? 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.679 Oh, I'm so mad about you just gets so upset 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.200 about this. I like, I think about just dreaming about 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.160 like going to battle with miss Darvus and Kenny Ortega's 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:25.199 directing like this amazing, funny, comical relief number of anything 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.160 you could do, I could do better, you know any 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.919 get your gun type of song. And it was so 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.879 bummed he did that, and and Disney just said, you know, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.000 you know how they do. It's always like, oh, let's 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:37.800 cut the script down, let's get it down, get the 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.680 minutes down. What's the first thing to go the old people, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.879 get rid of the old door. What's the old people dancing? 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.199