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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you. Let me introduce our two special guests tonight.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Richard Estep back with us. He was

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Speaker 1: last with me about a year ago. First got involved

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Speaker 1: with paranormal research in nineteen ninety five in the United

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Speaker 1: Kingdom after attending an overnight investigation at the very infamous

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Speaker 1: investigating the haunted hamlets of Great Britain. He co founded

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Speaker 1: the Boulder County Paranormal Research Group in Colorado with his

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Speaker 1: wife Laura, after relocating to the United States back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. Richard, welcome back. I'm looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you George for having me back, and it's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to be here. This is going to be exciting.

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Speaker 1: And then Bill Bungay is with us. He's a movie maker.

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Speaker 1: Some of his movies include When the Lights Went Out, Nuriv,

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Speaker 1: Maradonna and the Peapod Movie. He is an ad man.

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Speaker 1: He founded a B m B which is a top

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Speaker 1: ten London an England advertising agency that's pretty good. A

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Speaker 1: published singer songwriter, owner of the most haunted house in

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, which we'll talk about, and Bill was

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Speaker 1: a skeptic, but the house changed all of that, resulting

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Speaker 1: him and co authoring the book with Richard called, of course,

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Speaker 1: The Black Monk of Pontefract. Then Bill, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: program as well, M George Kademi, Richard and Knemi to

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Speaker 1: all my American coverings. How did you Tube guys come

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Speaker 1: across this incredible story of the Black Monk of pont Effect.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with you. Richard. Well, this was a story

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Speaker 1: that I'd always grown up with Jordan as a young kid,

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Speaker 1: right before there were any paranormal TV shows. I would

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Speaker 1: read every book that I could on the subject from

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Speaker 1: both sides of the Atlantic, and one of the classics

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Speaker 1: of the genre was Poltergeist by Colin Wilson, a very

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Speaker 1: ubiquitous author, and the story of the Black Monk I

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Speaker 1: remember frightening me from a very early age because you

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Speaker 1: had all of the component here of a terrifying haunting.

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Speaker 1: You had this tall, doghooded figure which menaced the family.

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Speaker 1: And the key thing I think was this didn't take

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Speaker 1: place in some old manor house or historic castle. I

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Speaker 1: saw pictures of the house and this was the kind

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Speaker 1: of place that I lived in. You know, it could

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Speaker 1: have happened in your house or my house, and that's

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Speaker 1: when I think it becomes most frightening. Indeed, and Bill,

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Speaker 1: let let's bring you in. You own the house were

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Speaker 1: this ghost poltergeist happens to be. How did you end

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Speaker 1: up finding this house? I do, indeed, George, And it's

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Speaker 1: interestingly but by the same via the same route as

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Speaker 1: as Richard. In fact, Colin Wilson's book Poulteist was given

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Speaker 1: to me a good thirty years ago by by a

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Speaker 1: work colleague of mine whose mother had had had witnessed

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Speaker 1: the events directly, the events that happened back in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: and I ended up I thought that it was such

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Speaker 1: an interesting story, the idea that a poltergeist moves into

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Speaker 1: a small we call them council houses in the UK.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a state kind of assisted at home.

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Speaker 1: And I just thought it was a fascinating storyline poltergeist

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Speaker 1: moved into council house because, as Richard says, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're normally sort of associated with with you know, big

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Speaker 1: castles or dark mansion houses, but this one moved into

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Speaker 1: a tiny home, and I thought, what a great idea

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Speaker 1: for a movie. So so really all I did was

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Speaker 1: set about making a movie about the house. But as

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Speaker 1: looking being an ad man, I was looking for an

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Speaker 1: interesting way to promote, to promote the movie, and it

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Speaker 1: just so happened that one of my clients was in

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Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, I could have I could say,

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Speaker 1: how I ended up owning the house. So you didn't

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Speaker 1: know it was haunted prior to buying it, did you. Well,

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Speaker 1: I certainly didn't believe that it was haunted, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I've I've got a great deal of respect for skeptics

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Speaker 1: you still own it, Richard Bill? I do, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, as as a direct consequence of of of

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Speaker 1: of well, in fact, people started to ask as soon

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Speaker 1: I started getting all these emails. I ended up getting

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Speaker 1: But I started to get all these pictures and videos

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Speaker 1: So so I still have the house because now I know,

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Speaker 1: emphatically know that there is something extremely unique about the

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Speaker 1: Richard tell Us tell us, who is the black Monk

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Speaker 1: of Pontifact. Well, there's the commonly accepted story, and then

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Speaker 1: Although there were indeed monks in that area, there's not

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Speaker 1: Called Bill old fashioned, he doesn't really want to dig

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Speaker 1: In fact, might that well be where they dumped the

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Speaker 1: like most people, I just assumed it petered out. But

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Speaker 1: when when the movie came out, there was this massive

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Speaker 1: guys like Andy Evans had had gone and found that

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Speaker 1: Bill and I said I would love to come research

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Speaker 1: it's yours for five days. Just write what you find.

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Speaker 1: So if you get nothing right, nothing, But if something happens,

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Speaker 1: I would like you to tell the story honestly, which is,

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Speaker 1: so Bill is really the expert on the most recent happenings.

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