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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live right

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelt. The phone number for you as

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff to talk about today on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Pieces of news. Lance won the NFL schedule, dates and

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Speaker 1: times of all the games were announced last night. We

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Speaker 1: knew the opponent's rating. Now we know when thows are

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. We'll touch on that second. The story of

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Speaker 1: the day, though, is the first media availability in person

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Speaker 1: of the season with select offensive and defensive players. But

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Speaker 1: more importantly, Dave Gentleman with his annual pre draft press

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Speaker 1: conference and a couple of nuggets. I think that are interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you go first. What's your nugget? Number one? Well,

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Speaker 1: he was asked about how he would characterize the depth

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Speaker 1: of this year's class. John and I thought that was

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest takeaways because normally gms obviously want

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Speaker 1: to keep things close to their chest and they don't

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Speaker 1: want to reveal much. But he used the term thick

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Speaker 1: when he was describing a few positions and a few

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Speaker 1: that came to mind for him was the secondary he

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Speaker 1: grouped corners in safety. He said both he felt there's

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Speaker 1: thickness to that group. He also mentioned wide receivers has

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Speaker 1: some thickness, and I agree with the wide receivers for sure.

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Speaker 1: And then the other one was which I'm sure the

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Speaker 1: mentioned he felt had some thickness. So read into that

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Speaker 1: as you wish. Does that mean perhaps second round, third round,

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Speaker 1: they have some guys on the board that interests them.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a stretch, But that, to me

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Speaker 1: was maybe one of the biggest takeaways, the fact that

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Speaker 1: he pinpointed three positions in particular that he thought had

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Speaker 1: some thickness and depth and overall, to take it a

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Speaker 1: step further, John, he said, in all these years of

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Speaker 1: being a general manager, not of being in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and now his second year with the Giants, in his

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Speaker 1: mind that this is the deepest draft class overall that

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Speaker 1: he's ever had the opportunity to look at and put

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Speaker 1: they've got a lot of volume in terms of picks,

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna be able to walk away with guys

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Speaker 1: an impact on the roster. Yeah, his quote was there

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Speaker 1: I think, in my opinion, there's like a really big

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Speaker 1: have in that group, but they'll be ranked differently within

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Speaker 1: the group. Right. So the feeling, the feeling I'm getting

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of differences in draft

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Speaker 1: the other team would be willing to trade down because

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Speaker 1: they have different grades on the players that might be available.

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Speaker 1: So UM, to me, that could indicate, especially late first

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Speaker 1: sense it's more smaller moves than you know, packaging a

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Speaker 1: That's the field that I got from listening to him talk. Um,

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Speaker 1: don't know that. He also said, if we have a

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Speaker 1: doors open at six, the doors open at seven. Team

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Speaker 1: if they get there, if the quarterbacks the best player,

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Speaker 1: and making sure they maximize the value of all their selections. Well, John,

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Speaker 1: we're quarterbacks, and they ultimately went with the running back

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Speaker 1: he said, you don't want to waste to pick on

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Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of good players gone between those two.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a little bit easier to match

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Speaker 1: that is going to be an impactful player that will

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Speaker 1: gets his water in as to why talking about strength

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Speaker 1: of schedule on April eighteen for the nineteen season doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean a hill of beans because I agree with them.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, lines, oh straight. The schedule is based on

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen results, and I see people over analyze

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Speaker 1: schedules every single year. Now, granted, you could have computed

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Speaker 1: strength of schedule John well before the schedule was released,

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Speaker 1: because all you need to know is the opponents. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you anything new. But now it gets

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Speaker 1: extra hyped up because you look at the order of

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Speaker 1: the games and you say, oh, well, this team is

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Speaker 1: playing three great playoff teams from last year. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: that's how they fare it in two thousand eighteen. How

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Speaker 1: do we know that they're gonna be able to duplicate

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Speaker 1: that success to take it a step further? People get

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Speaker 1: caught up in oh boy, the last quarter of the season,

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Speaker 1: John's really tough. Boy. You know, two road games back

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Speaker 1: to back within the division. How do you know how

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Speaker 1: a team is going to look in week fourteen, week

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Speaker 1: Fift'm sure everyone thought last year's game at Washington was

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Speaker 1: going to be tough in December, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez is being marched out there with eight backup

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen and they destroyed them. So you know, what

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Speaker 1: are we sitting here? Why are we wasting energy on

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Speaker 1: social media breaking down schedules. Now, I'm not saying everybody's

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Speaker 1: in this boat, and I get it. People are energized.

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Speaker 1: You're all yearning from meaningful football. Listen, we're in the

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Speaker 1: same boat. But as John mentioned, it's good to know

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Speaker 1: the order of the game, so you could plan out

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Speaker 1: and map out how your fall in your winter season

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Speaker 1: is gonna look like. Other than that, aside from a

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Speaker 1: logistical standpoint, spending minutes, half hour, an hour over what

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Speaker 1: a schedule order looks like is completely eating list and

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Speaker 1: it's a useless activity because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: unless you're a soothsayer and you could prove to me

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Speaker 1: that you have an extremely good track record, you have

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Speaker 1: no idea how the second half of the season is

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Speaker 1: gonna play out. I think my biggest takeaway, just from

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Speaker 1: a structural standpoint, John, is the fact that the Giants

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Speaker 1: have three primetime games. They have no Sunday night games.

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Speaker 1: They got two Monday night games. The Thursday night game

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Speaker 1: is at New England. So that's obviously a notable take

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Speaker 1: No favors a short week going to New England bio

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Speaker 1: by the way, correct, but listen, no favors there. In

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Speaker 1: fairness though, every team goes through this. Sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: the home game on Thursday, or it benefits you don't

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Speaker 1: have to travel, and then other times, I remember what

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Speaker 1: the Giants. They went to Carolina a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, that was one of their best

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Speaker 1: performances if I'm correct, Actually that was Ramsey's. Barden's all

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Speaker 1: time greatest performance might have been. Just remember that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he had a field day at the expense of account

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Speaker 1: only only only of every game was scheduled on the Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Ramseys could still be with us. Well there you go. See,

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Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna be tied into the schedule talk,

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Speaker 1: but that was one of the biggest things. Only to

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Speaker 1: four o'clock games Dallas Week one four or five, Tampa

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Speaker 1: Week three, and things are subject to change late in

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Speaker 1: the season. It reflects. But right now eleven of the

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Speaker 1: sixteen games or one o'clock starts. Now I know that

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Speaker 1: the two of us, at least I think I feel

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Speaker 1: safely speaking for the both of us, that we have

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Speaker 1: no complaints. One o'clock good from that standpoint. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I thought was interesting, they have

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Speaker 1: a relatively laid by I would classify no. Right, isn't

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Speaker 1: that fair to say Week eleven? I think we I

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Speaker 1: think byes go to the twenty four. Yeah, so it

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Speaker 1: will be the next to last week they have thereby

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Speaker 1: that's correct. Yes, normally it's been the middle of the

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Speaker 1: season week eight, Week nine, Week seven over the last

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Speaker 1: few years. If memory serves me correct, I should be

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Speaker 1: the last bie week. Let me check that. No, there

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Speaker 1: is definitely a bye week and week twelve, And I'll

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Speaker 1: make it easy for you because I tweeted out the

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Speaker 1: full schedule as opposed to you going through everything and

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Speaker 1: on that schedule, which the NFL I thought did a

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Speaker 1: really nice job. If my computer can move a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So and by the way, on Twitter, that's Lance Meadow

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Speaker 1: m E. D Ow. Any emphasis on the spelling is

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Speaker 1: always helpful. So you see here now we have a

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Speaker 1: nice meat even Lyne John as opposed to you having

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Speaker 1: to go through different website. So I'm looking out for

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Speaker 1: you at times. So week twelve is indeed the last

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Speaker 1: bye week there go, so next to last. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's le's let's do your calls, folks to five on three.

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Speaker 1: what's out Ryan? What the show? Um? I think I

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Speaker 1: called in the hairedly. I think you guys might have

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Speaker 1: already tried to touch on my first part of my

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Speaker 1: question anyway. Um So, since I don't have the scouting

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Speaker 1: knowledge that you guys have about the film that you

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Speaker 1: guys have accessed to, what do you look for in

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Speaker 1: a quarterback to see if he has like that it's

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Speaker 1: factor And I guess you guys touched on diversity or sorry,

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Speaker 1: adversity was one of them. That was one of those

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Speaker 1: trades were talking about. Ryan, you just asked the toughest

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Speaker 1: question that every NFL team that needs a quarterback asked themselves.

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Speaker 1: And and I'm serious, and there isn't a said answer. Look,

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Speaker 1: you have to have certain physical skills. Okay, you know.

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Speaker 1: But to me, honestly, what I've learned about quarterback playing

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Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride, who, by the way, congratulations to Kevin who's

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Speaker 1: going to be the head coach and general manager of

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Speaker 1: the XFL and New York franchise, which with New York Empires.

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Speaker 1: Is that what it's gonna be a forget with anyway. Um,

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Speaker 1: congratulations to him. But you know, we we do college

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Speaker 1: games together, and he always told me he goes John. Look,

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Speaker 1: I used to think coming up that having the big

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Speaker 1: arm was the most important thing for a quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: it's really the third or fourth most important thing. And

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Speaker 1: Pat Schremer said a similar thing a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago talking about quarterbacks. So to me, it's about processing.

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Speaker 1: How do you see the field? How can you anticipate?

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Speaker 1: Can you see what the defense is doing and no

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Speaker 1: immediately where to go with the football? Um? How do

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Speaker 1: you react when there's pressure on you? Do? Keep your

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Speaker 1: wits about you? Do you panick? Do you freak out?

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Speaker 1: You know? How do you manage those types of live

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Speaker 1: situations with your instincts? And I think those are the

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Speaker 1: things that are most important. But the one physical trade

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Speaker 1: you have to have is accuracy. But I think accuracy

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Speaker 1: is very hard to teach, and I think accuracy goes

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Speaker 1: back to the anticipation and reading coverages and staying calm.

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Speaker 1: You stay in your mechanics because you're common. That's how

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Speaker 1: you're accurate. So I think you have to be accurate

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Speaker 1: and then you look at the other stuff. So to me,

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Speaker 1: those are the most important things and all that ties

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Speaker 1: into being comfortable on the field. See that, that's what

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Speaker 1: I look for. Meaning it's not overwhelming, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: just talking about the biggest stage. I'm talking about any

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Speaker 1: element of the game. You don't look panicked. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: just looks like it's a natural flow. And I'll use

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Speaker 1: an example. When we were talking about the quarterbacks last year.

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Speaker 1: I was very high on Baker Mayfield. Now, what jumped

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Speaker 1: out to be about Baker Mayfield is, yes, the arm strength,

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Speaker 1: the accuracy, but you know what, nothing ever seemed too

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Speaker 1: big for him. He was ultra confident. That that may

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Speaker 1: have turned people away, I actually found that as an

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Speaker 1: attractive characteristic. I like the bravado because he was in

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Speaker 1: his element and you know what, he was an ultra competitor,

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Speaker 1: and he was more than willing to go toe to

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Speaker 1: toe with any individual and any team that was thrown

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Speaker 1: his way. And I think you want that from the

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Speaker 1: quarterback because if the quarterbacks the face of the franchise

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Speaker 1: that everybody uses is often a cliche. If that's the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: if that's the guy that you follow into the trenches,

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Speaker 1: if he's got no confidence, if he has no bravado,

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Speaker 1: then how do you expect the rest of the team

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Speaker 1: to find that? I agree, And I was just asking

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Speaker 1: because I had some friends in mine who worked Big

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Speaker 1: Buffalo quarterback Kyrie Jackson, because he's uh, He's like yeah,

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Speaker 1: but um, I'm like, why did you really have like

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Speaker 1: a good level competition the way you got the rocket

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Speaker 1: on that's all you need him? Well, David had a

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Speaker 1: cannon for an arm and Bingo and Ryan, And I'm

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Speaker 1: happy you brought that up because I think, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to badmouth people, but I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people got wrapped up. And I'll use the word generate.

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Speaker 1: Generic people got wrapped up because so David's webb flinging

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Speaker 1: the ball over the place in practice, and his ball

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Speaker 1: looks pretty and he has every physical tool you would

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Speaker 1: want in a quarterback. I can argue David's Webb is

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Speaker 1: better physical tools and Eli Manning ever had, and he's

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Speaker 1: not a tenth of the quarterback the line Manning ever

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Speaker 1: was because physical tools matter, but if you can't combine

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Speaker 1: that with everything else, you got nothing. I agree, and

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Speaker 1: then uh, two more things on one of the arm

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Speaker 1: strengths in order to knocks on Daniel Jones was that

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Speaker 1: he didn't have like that elite arm strength. It's not elite,

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Speaker 1: that's arm strength ranked as far as media Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: when he was coming out, or like any other quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: from familiar I appreciate everyone, thanks for the calling and

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Speaker 1: good question. I would consider his arm strength to be average. Um.

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Speaker 1: But for example, you know also his average arm strength

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan doesn't have a canon. I think

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and Matt Ryan's arms are actually probably fairly similar.

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Speaker 1: How does Matt Ryan do in the NFL? He just

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Speaker 1: find arm strengths. Not worries me about Daniel Jones. He's

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Speaker 1: a big kid. He'll get the bowler he needs to go.

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Speaker 1: I would consider him more of a touch passer, which

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Speaker 1: is fine for me. It's consistent accuracy for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you worry about. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's a difficult guy to scout in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways, Lance, because if you look at Duke, there's

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Speaker 1: not one other person on that roster on the on

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Speaker 1: the offense that's even being considered to be drafted from

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Speaker 1: the offensive line who they couldn't protect him to the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. And he, more than any other quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the draft had more drops in any other quarterback. That's

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Speaker 1: that metric accurate. It's not even close to not being true. Now,

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Speaker 1: does that mean that you know you have to say, well,

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Speaker 1: if those he's gonna be great, then no, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that either, But you do have to take those

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Speaker 1: things into consideration and talking a couple of guys around

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Speaker 1: the league, people that talk to scouts and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: there are going to be more than a few. Maybe

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Speaker 1: not a majority, but it's gonna be. I would not

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Speaker 1: surprise me if a third of the league at a

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Speaker 1: first round grade on Daniel Jones. The NFL likes what

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Speaker 1: they see in him, they do, and I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what the Giants have on him in terms of

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Speaker 1: a grade I don't, but he is a guy that

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Speaker 1: NFL teams like because of his frame, his personality. He

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Speaker 1: was coached well in college. You see that with his footwork,

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Speaker 1: the way he goes through his projections, uh progressions. Pardon

643
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: But to me, I worry about his consistent accuracy lance

644
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: And I also saw when there's pressure, I did see

645
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: some panic. And that's something we talked about with Haskins too.

646
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: You didn't handle pressure well. I'm not sure, Jones. Now

647
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: he would stand in there and make some throws, but

648
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: other times if that first, first or second read wasn't there,

649
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: you would kind of see him like, oh no, no,

650
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: now what do I do? And I saw him not

651
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: stay calm like the way you talked about. He would

652
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: stand in there make some throws if he knew where

653
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: to go with the ball, but once where he thought

654
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: he was supposed to go with the ball wasn't there.

655
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: I sometimes saw him maybe not quite know how to

656
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: handle that well. And to me, John, that's the biggest

657
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: takeaway when the environment around the quarterback is not ideal,

658
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: because you can't fault him for drop passes. To your point,

659
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: you can't fault him for a rough offensive line. You

660
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: can fault him for well, how does he handle though

661
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: those circumstances, So that to me would be the biggest takeaway.

662
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: It's very similar to Josh Rosen. And I'm not trying

663
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: to open up Pandora's box in terms of speculation, but

664
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: thank you what Rosen dealt with this past season in

665
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Arizona rough offensive line, not much of a running game,

666
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: and tough circumstances for a rookie quarterback. Started fourteen games.

667
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: So do you look at the results the numbers on

668
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the page is touchdown to interception ratio? Or do you say, okay,

669
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: we understand the factors around Josh Rosen. Now let's look

670
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: at when pressure was in his face, what did he

671
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: decide to do with the football? Because that's trade. That's

672
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: a mechanism that you're gonna want to see when maybe

673
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: you bring in that quarterback under your circumstances and things

674
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: don't go according to plan, as opposed to just looking

675
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: at a bunch of numbers on paper. We have a

676
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: couple of the lines by the way of two, five

677
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: on three, I have Dame Bruglo's book right here, by

678
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: the way. His draft gut is out. Will beyond with

679
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: us next week. To promote it. It's a great book. Um,

680
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: I just want to read a couple of things that

681
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: he has in here about Jones. Okay, just so you

682
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: people get a perspective from somebody else. He has him

683
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: ranked is the fourth best quarterback in the class. He

684
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: has Haskins one, Murray two, and Lock three. All right,

685
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: he has a second round grade on Daniel Jones if

686
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. This is the stuff that he says

687
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: that's good. Quick trigger, ready to fire, recognize his coverage

688
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: assignments and finds the out has a pre snap plan,

689
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: slightly above average arm strength, understands placement on downfield routes.

690
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: So all stuff with that is good. Mobility is an asset,

691
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: steps up in the pocket, keeps his eyes elevated, stronger

692
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: and tough, impeccable character. Okay, week this is I'm manipulation

693
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: and internal clock and that's when I was talking about that.

694
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: That's the internal clock stuff is underdeveloped. Needs to find

695
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: a better bounce between not rushing the process but also

696
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: playing with urgency. He can sendhill stare it receivers and

697
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: lead defenders to the target and sometimes deep all timing

698
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: can be an issue, and his overall final deal is

699
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Jones doesn't have any exceptional physical traits and his internal

700
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: clock needs work, but he is a cerebral pastor who

701
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: makes accurate reads with activising feet projecting as a B

702
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: level NFL starter. That's what Dane has for his evaluation

703
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: of Jones, and I think that's kind of how I've

704
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: been talking about it too. I think that's right on

705
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, listen, when we've been talking about the

706
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for the last few weeks and months on this show.

707
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing that comes to mind with

708
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is, you know, working with Cutcliff and some

709
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that he has had the luxury of

710
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: working with, including the Manning brothers and certainly the non

711
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: ideal factors surrounding him John as you mentioned, and last Lee.

712
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: You know his sharp ability I think to handle an

713
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: offense and read the field, but with that comes question

714
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: marks and weaknesses like any other young quarterbacks. So somebody

715
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: called up I remember recently on the show and said,

716
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: if the Giants are at thirty seven, would you feel

717
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: comfortable taking Daniel Jones as opposed to seventeen. I feel

718
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: a lot better about him myself, and that was my answer.

719
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: My answer was, it's in the conversation at thirty seven

720
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: much more so than at seventeen, and I think you

721
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: have a reason to dissect him a little bit more

722
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: if he's still on the board at thirty seven. Now

723
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: here's the question if the Giants believe what Dame Brugler

724
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: is saying here, which I don't know if they do

725
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: or not. I have no idea that he projects and

726
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: his upside is a bleve ono stater. I don't think

727
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: they pulled the trigger on that because I think they

728
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: understand they want an eventually elite NFL starter. But if

729
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: they believe, if everything works out, he could be an

730
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: a level NFOs daughter, that is a different conversation, And

731
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: I think that's the part of the evaluation that's important

732
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: because you can have weaknesses and you can coach those

733
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: out of a guy, you can make them better. These

734
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: guys are not finished products, right, So what do the

735
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: giants think his high potential upside? Is they think he

736
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: can be an a level Super Bowl starting quarterback or

737
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: or don't they? And that to me is going to

738
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: determine whether or not he can be there. Pick at seventeen.

739
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't think six is gonna happen. I know people

740
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: have mocked him there. That would blow me away and

741
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: surprise the hell out of me. But if he's the

742
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: pick at seventeen, it's because the Giants think he can

743
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: develop into a super Bowl level quarterback. If they don't,

744
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: they're not going to pick him there. And I don't

745
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: know what the Giants evaluation is, but you're with me right, Alance.

746
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: If they don't think he can be a super Bowl

747
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: quarterback the way get him and talked about that seventeenth

748
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: pick today, I can't imagine them taking him there and

749
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: get him and use terms as we love the guy.

750
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: It would have to be at that level John for

751
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: them too, you know, provide the proper rationale to use

752
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: lies of first round pick on somebody like that. So yeah,

753
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: I would think that there's very few question marks when

754
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: you take a quarterback in the first round. That doesn't

755
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: mean that he's a finished product, but meaning he's got

756
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: all the intangibles already, you just need to refine them

757
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: at that point. That's how I view that every player's

758
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: a range of outcomes based on how they develop, and

759
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: that's how you pick them based on risk. Well, and

760
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: the other thing that Dave Gentleman brought up that I

761
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: don't think we said near the top of the show

762
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: that we should emphasize is he wasn't selling Kyola Letta,

763
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: but he did remind the reporters, Hey, you know what,

764
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: Kyla let Us still on the roster. Kyle's a guy

765
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: that's still in the developmental phase and we're trying to

766
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: get him to the level where he could be more

767
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: and more comfortable as a starter. So the reason why

768
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm bringing that up, John, as you talk about, well,

769
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: do they want to take another quarterback that they're gonna

770
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: have to go through the motions of the development and

771
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: that maybe a little bit more heavy lifting if they

772
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: already have somebody currently on the roster that's going that,

773
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: do they want two of those? I guess that's a

774
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: good point all right. By the way, Mo in Ohio

775
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: has a question about Kyle lo let Us. Let's go

776
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: to mow next. Mo. What's up up? Doing? What's up?

777
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're not called in at this time because

778
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: I do have a question to Lettum, what what do

779
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: you guys? How do you guys feel that the team

780
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: right I think they consider I think they consider him

781
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: a developmental quarterback. As Dave Gentleman said about this year's draft,

782
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: anybody picked after the third that develops as a bonus,

783
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: so you develop them. You hope they thought he had

784
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the potential to become something, otherwise they want to pick him.

785
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: I believe. I think they said publicly they had a

786
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: third year round grade on the guy, if I remember right, correct,

787
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: So they think he could become something. But he's a

788
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: young player. He's developing. And I gotta remind people of this.

789
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: The dude played in Richmond. It's not even an it's

790
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: not even an FDS program, all right, you know, it's

791
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: it's a lower competition. It was never gonna be a

792
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: year proposition for him. That's a two year proposition. So

793
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: if they don't draft a quarterback this year, they'll continue

794
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: to develop him and then by the time because the

795
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: next offseason, you should have a much better picture what

796
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: he is when you make your decision on the quarterback

797
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: going forward. Let me this way, his presence mode is

798
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: not going to make them not pick a quarterback this year.

799
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen. Yeah, is um. I know you

800
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: guys always talking about the quarterbacks they are coming out

801
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: this year. Compared him to last year. What if cal

802
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: would have came up this year, where would you put him?

803
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: You know, as far as like the company know the

804
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are coming out this year. Good questioned, Good question. Um,

805
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: let me look at the list here. I mean, I

806
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: would probably have him in the Ryan Finley, Jarrett Stidham,

807
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: Tyree Jackson range, you know fourth you know, middle third,

808
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: late fourth round. Type of middle to late third, early

809
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: fourth round player is probably be where I would have

810
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: him in that group with Ryan Finley and Stidham and

811
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: you know Guarden min Chew, guys like that. Yeah, I

812
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: don't think his spot dramatically changes from where he resulted

813
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: me selected last year. Yeah, that's one point. Obviously I'm

814
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: from I'm gonna hire along. I'm a little bit biased.

815
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: Scenary will be the draft task in six man. Alright,

816
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: So mo, real quick, I'm gonna give you your nightmare scenario.

817
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: So you would not be happy about Rashawn Garry, Devin

818
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: Bush and Chase what of it? You would be very

819
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: unhappy with that. I would imagine he's an Ohio State fan.

820
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: That's why making a Buckeye root for a Wolverine. Yeah.

821
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: And by the way, Moe. I'll say this, and I

822
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: have no affiliation to Ohio State. One of my favorite

823
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: players in this whole draft classes Terry McLaurin. I think

824
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: he is a hell of a football player. And if

825
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: he's there with that pick at the end of the

826
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: third round or start of the fourth round, I would

827
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: pick kim in a second and not blinking eye absolutely

828
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: And think about McLaren is, like I mean, because I've

829
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: been watching, I'm gonna die hard fan, and you can

830
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: see him progression from from the first time he got

831
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: here until his senior year, Like you could tell that

832
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: he's been working hard about, you know, to get to

833
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: where he's at one now. It's I would love to

834
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 1: have him. I would love to have him to him Haskins. Yeah,

835
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: that'd be great, Thank you, mom, appreciate. And Draymond Jones

836
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: is another guy that we talked a little bit about

837
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: when we had our house state guests on and you know,

838
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: he's that defensive tackle type that has the athleticism, the

839
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: rush of the passer that could be a middle round

840
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: pick that Dave Gentleman likes. But he likes those defensive

841
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: tackles that can get interior pressure well. And I think

842
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: there's a few of them at the top of the draft.

843
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested to see how quickly those guys

844
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: go off the board correct because that may be an

845
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: indication of how the rest of the league views those

846
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: types of players too. And remember, the Giants did take

847
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: a guy named Jonathan Hankins who came from Ohio State,

848
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: who was an interior guy. So you know there is

849
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: some connection between this organization. Different regime. But if those

850
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: guys can be versatile enough where they could be moved outside,

851
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: play inside, and still provide pressure no matter where you

852
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: line them up, similar to a B. J. Hill type

853
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: of guy, there's value to that because you know, then, John,

854
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep him on the field for three downs.

855
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: You don't want to draft a guy that high if

856
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna take him off the field in third down

857
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: pass rushing situation. Dave points out, by the way, the

858
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: XFL New York team does not have a name yet,

859
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: but there is a New York tennis team called the

860
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: New York Empires. And I didn't know New York tennis

861
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: teams existed, but learn something new every day, and Lauri

862
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: pulled that Empire staying out of my you know what,

863
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: but whatever two O one nine four or five one three.

864
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Speaker 1: Andy in Wisconsin. He's up next, Andy. How are you? John?

867
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: What's up? Um? So? I want to make a comment

868
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: and kind of get you as opinion reaction, but then

869
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: also leave up a question. I know what you you.

870
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: John have been good about cautioning and kind of playing

871
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate in response to this, but I see too

872
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: much on social media, sometimes from beat writers and other places. Uh,

873
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: and sometimes the gym and the coach and players, and

874
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: I understand coming from them, they're going to be positive about,

875
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, the last eight games of the season, but

876
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't correlate, just like I think strength of schedule

877
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: everything difference from year to years. We can't bank on

878
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: saying the offense is going to be good because the

879
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: last eight games of the season we're good, and we

880
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, you take a look at what happened when

881
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: McAdoo is hired to the head coach. The offense fell

882
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: off and we thought that we just need to fix

883
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: the defense, and we made the playoffs, but then it

884
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: was one and done and then going to the next year,

885
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: try to build up the offense a little bit, the

886
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: defense fell off. So everything is different from a year.

887
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: And I will say this, and I think the one

888
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: thing that's a little bit different this year is that

889
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: the Giants, when they played better at the end of

890
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: the year, they really changed the way they played and

891
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: they went to a different aisle that I think matches

892
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: the talent better. And as they now added Kevin Zeisler

893
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: to the mix, I think matches their talent even better.

894
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: As a play action, big personnel type of team, that's gonna,

895
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, not spread it out as much, and I

896
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: think that's more fitting towards Eli Manning and what he's

897
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: always done well over the course of his career. So

898
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: I do think that's a good fit moving forward. Obviously,

899
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, injuries and things like that can change it.

900
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: But you know, borring those injuries, I'm not telling you

901
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a top five offense. I would be

902
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: very surprised if this offense does an average twenty four

903
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: points a game next year with the current personnel, barring

904
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: any injuries. Playing the way they played the final eight games,

905
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: of last year. I feel pretty good about that style

906
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: and its fitting the personnel that they have, and we've

907
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: seen it, whether it's you know, the Falcons or the

908
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: rams Um Kyle Shanahan system is very heavy on play

909
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: action pass. It works and we've seen it work in

910
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: the NFL time and time again. So I do feel

911
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: good about that style transferring from last year to this year.

912
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Now again, like you said, there's no guarantees, but I

913
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: like that facet of that crossover happening well. And also

914
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: I think it gave them an indication of how they

915
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: can move personnel and utilize personnel without Oldell Beckham on

916
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: the field. I mean that was at least something to

917
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: take away. But to your point, they played the Redskins

918
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: and we referenced this. Mark Sanchez started that game and

919
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: Redskins were decimated by injuries across the board. So you know,

920
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: how much can you read it too that in the

921
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Dallas game, Dallas played most of its starters. May not

922
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: necessarily they tried, you know, they were competitive, but we're

923
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: also not talking about once again the Krem Dela Krem

924
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: of the NFL down and you also have two of

925
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: the wars defense in the league. In the Niners and Bucks.

926
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, you have the Titans

927
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: or you scored zero against because the weather was terrible.

928
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: If you're in a better environment there, you're gonna score

929
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: more than zero points. So there are things pulling. But

930
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: and you play the Bears too, which is one of

931
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: the best defenses in the league, so you have a

932
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: pulling both ways, mixed results essentially. Yea, no, no, I agree,

933
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: and I do to give critics. I think part of

934
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: it was the line, but I think whatever happened, you know,

935
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: with Sherman and his his play calling, play calling and

936
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: scheme alike, clicked form in the second half. So like

937
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: you said, there's optimism, but I just hate here and

938
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: you know that whatever it's going to be good, good,

939
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: and we're good to go. So anyway, nothing guaranteed, right right. UM.

940
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: My question I'll leave you guys with, is uh Gentleman

941
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: talked about lead dogs and UM trying to get I

942
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: think it was the term use lead dog for the defense,

943
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: um and at each you know, kind of section D line, linebackers, cornerbacks, whatnot.

944
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: So my question is in regards to the defensive players,

945
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: because I just think almost without it that we're going

946
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: defense at six, I would be surprised at post quarterback,

947
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: but probably defensive line to um of the defensive line,

948
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: and namely, I guess both interior and pass rushers. If

949
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: they have the same grade on a couple of these players,

950
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: who do you think separates themselves as captain material, lead

951
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: dog material, you know when we're looking at the like

952
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: Brian are Burns, Um sweat Um, you know, uh, a

953
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: couple of those you know the other guys so well,

954
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I guess a really good question. We're talking about we're

955
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna throw pretty much all the elite pass rush. All right,

956
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: he'll he'll give you the names to talk about. Let's

957
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: do so Williams there, Allen, I'd be very surprised if

958
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: they were there. Maybe one of them drops, but okay,

959
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: so so let's do Oliver, sweat Burns and Gary. You

960
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: think that's a fair for guys to talk about looking

961
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: at correct. I appreciate the call. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Um.

962
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: It's a good question. How would I separate these guys

963
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: in terms of intangibles? That's a really good question. I'm

964
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: not sure. Lance. Well, the other thing that I wanted

965
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: to clarify is and and he brought up captain material.

966
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: I didn't take it John that Gettleman was only referring

967
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: to the captain and the lead dog is being synonymous.

968
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: I looked at as he was talking about having in

969
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: lead guy at every level, a playmaker. That's how I

970
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: interpreted his lead dog label. So I'm not necessarily looking

971
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: at all these prospects and saying they've got to be

972
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: captain material. I'm talking about a guy that's gonna be

973
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: a difference maker game in a game out on the

974
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: defensive line. So that's how I would have to interpret that.

975
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver, that's a difference maker. If you put him

976
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: in on the defensive line, he's gonna have an impact.

977
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: Montest Sweat to the same degree I put him, though,

978
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: behind Ed Oliver. If you were to ask me, Burns

979
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: has the versatility where you can sort of mix and

980
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: match and move him around. Really depends on where you're

981
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna play him. You know that I would like to

982
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: know from the team before you take him. But Oliver

983
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: would fit the bill of lead dog in my mind,

984
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: and Sweat I think would be in that conversation as well.

985
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: I think both of those guys have the potential that

986
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: if put in a system where they're utilized correctly, they're

987
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: gonna put up some decent numbers to make an impact.

988
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: And that's how I view a lead dog. I'm with

989
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: you to me Lands right now, I have the four

990
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: guys in my Todd category in this year's class. I

991
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: got Bosa, Quentin Williams, Josh Allen and coylum Or if

992
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: any of those four guys there and picking him and

993
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm running to the poll name. Okay, after that, I

994
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: think it gets tricky. And as much as I love

995
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: the giants pick at seventeen, which which we've talked about

996
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: earlier today, I think six is a tough spot because

997
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I think you do have a lot of guys you

998
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: can consider without much you know, highways separating these guys,

999
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: and I, like you said, I think and Oliver to

1000
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: me is emerged as the fifth guy. He's the next

1001
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: guy in my less because I think he can be

1002
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: that flexxer Cox type of pass rusher. And I don't

1003
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: think he has a weakness if he meets his potential,

1004
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. For Brian Burns, He's never

1005
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna be two hundred sixty five pounds. He's just not

1006
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: which is what you know what, Neither is Von Miller,

1007
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: and he's pretty damn good, right, Brian Burns could be

1008
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushis in the league. I

1009
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: think if you're looking for, aside from Nick Bosa, the

1010
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: guy with the best pass rush moves in this draft

1011
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: is Brian Burns. I think he's a better pass rusher

1012
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen, but Allan does a lot of other

1013
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: things better than Burns does. But Burns in terms of

1014
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: the variety of pass rush moves, I think he's gonna

1015
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: be a fantastic pass rusher. But he doesn't have power.

1016
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: He can't set the edge. He's issues with that. Gary.

1017
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: His lack of production scares me. I can't roll the

1018
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: dice on traits at six. He's more of a bull

1019
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: rusher and I like him better inside. So I'm drafting

1020
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: the guy at six to play him at a position

1021
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: that he didn't play in college. No no, no, no, no,

1022
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I'll pass. Okay, Then he got Montes Sweat, who I

1023
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: think is a good all around college player. I don't

1024
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: think he's elite in anything, So would rather have the

1025
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: guy that's good against the run a good pass rusher.

1026
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: Would you want the guy that's a great pass rusher,

1027
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: and maybe he can get better against the run and burns.

1028
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: So it's tough. So the tricky part for me. I

1029
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: got my top five guys, right, I got Bosa Williams,

1030
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: Allen Murray, and then at Oliver. What do I do

1031
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: if all those five guys are gone. That's why I'm

1032
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: trying to move back, because I got about four or

1033
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: five guys I like. I like Devin White, and that

1034
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: mixed too. You know, I don't think Cleveland Ferrell is

1035
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: that high, but there's a lot of guys in that

1036
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: spot that I think are interesting. But I'm with you,

1037
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: Oliver is my top guy. Then you're looking at Sweat

1038
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: and Burns, and then you're looking at Gary. I have

1039
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: Gary back with Cleveland Farrell, who I'd consider it's seventeen.

1040
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: I will not consider those guys at six well. But

1041
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: also if you then listen to what Dave Gentleman said,

1042
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: the reason why I be a little bit surprised John

1043
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: if they move back. He seems to feel there's seventeen

1044
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: guys that are worthy of taking in the first round

1045
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: at least seventeen. I don't mean move back at seventeen,

1046
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: back at six well, but even But here's the thing,

1047
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: if you're confident about the seventeen in total, why even

1048
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: roll the dice? Why not take the guy that you

1049
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: love at six? Well, but maybe there's five guys that

1050
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: you will be happy with all of them, and you say,

1051
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: let me back to general life. You can get an

1052
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: extra pick out of it, but slightly down and and

1053
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: and that's how you get that extra pick between thirty

1054
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: seven and ninety five. It's just it depends on how

1055
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: much of a drop off there is, because you could

1056
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: love seventeen guys, but that doesn't mean that there's not

1057
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: a separation between the love fest. To me, For me

1058
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: five to ten, I'm getting a really good player. I'm

1059
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: cool with it. I would have not a problem with

1060
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: any from five to ten. If I wind up with

1061
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver, Dwayne Haskins, Montes Sweat, Brian Burns, Juwan Taylor

1062
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: or Devin White, I'm thrilled. And I'm not even trying

1063
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: to separate those guys, to be quite honest with you,

1064
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm not so I'm happy with any of those guys.

1065
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: So if I could move down from six and stay,

1066
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, within the top ten picks, that's great, and

1067
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: even a moving down to twelve. Lance, all right, son,

1068
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: I get maybe one of those guys, first of all,

1069
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: could drop to eleven or twelve. You don't know that,

1070
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: especially if somebody moves up. Would I be mad if

1071
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: I wind up with Devin Bush or Cleveland Ferrell or

1072
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams or you know one of those guys. No,

1073
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be okay with that. It's cool so that

1074
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: to me, I like the idea of trading down at six.

1075
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: But I will say this too. My impression is that

1076
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: this will not be a draft where you have a

1077
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: bunch of teams trying to trade into the top five,

1078
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: unless the Cardinals end up auctioning off that pick. If

1079
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Murray's there, someone will go up and get him. I

1080
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: think he's the only player that someone's gonna go up

1081
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: and get. Otherwise, I think the top five picks are

1082
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: gonna stay where they are. That's my field. I just

1083
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: feel there's one team it may not move up to

1084
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: the top five, but there's one team that doesn't right

1085
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: now have a desperate need for a quarterback. But they

1086
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: may be thinking more like the Patrick Mahomes type of

1087
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: field where they want to position themselves to grab the successor.

1088
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: And I can see somebody being aggressive and making a

1089
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: move into the first round, moving slightly up or just

1090
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: moving into the first round mean they don't have a

1091
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: first round pick, or they have a really low first

1092
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: rounder and grabbing a quarterback, and that I think uld

1093
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: shake things up. Two teams. To me, you worry about

1094
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: with that or you think that might do it. Maybe

1095
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: not worry the Bengals, but to me, they're not a

1096
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: team that trades up a lot in situation like that

1097
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: to go get a player. And they have Andy Dalton.

1098
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: So if Haskins is there at eleven, I'm confident they'll

1099
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: take him. I don't think they trade up for him.

1100
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: I think the Broncos are happy for whomever between Haskins

1101
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: and Drew Lock gets to him at ten. They'll pick

1102
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: either one. I think they're fine with that, So I

1103
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: don't think they trade up. The team you watch out

1104
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: for is Washington. You know if they don't somehow, it's

1105
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: a team that you could argue as a need for

1106
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Correct, And that's the team that I can

1107
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: They've done it before, Robert Griffin the third, so they

1108
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: moved up before and made deals like that. That's the

1109
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: team that I think, and it might be in the

1110
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Josh Rogan sweepstakes that they decided to move on from

1111
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: him too. So that's the team that I think. If

1112
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: anyone's gonna move up to get into that top five,

1113
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: I think it would be the Redskins. Yeah. I was

1114
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: thinking more in line a team like the Chargers or

1115
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah. I can see them going up to

1116
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: fifteen or seventeen, But I don't think they're going into

1117
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: the top ten. No, And I don't think they need

1118
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: to go into the top ten. I think depending on

1119
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: who they want. But you know, I mean, I'm even

1120
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: thinking about somebody liking a Drew Lock and you know,

1121
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: you may be able to get him outside of the

1122
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: top ten. I don't think that's crazy. You know, all

1123
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: it takes is just one team to head in a

1124
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: different direction. I also think the tight ends are actually

1125
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna shake up the first round. I think somebody's gonna

1126
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: be very aggressive with t J. Hopkinson. I would not

1127
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: surprise me if he's a top ten pick, It would

1128
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: not surprise me. And I think that's going to force

1129
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: somebody to fall, and then somebody may be aggressive as

1130
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: a result of that, and he's my if if somehow

1131
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: by some minor miracle, because to me, he's Jason wentten

1132
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: two point. Oh, that's what he is. That's what t J.

1133
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Hawkinson is. He's Witten if he somehow gets the seventeen.

1134
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: I know the Giants little a tight end. Need I

1135
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: go there? Scott in New Mexico. He's on next, Scott,

1136
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: what's up? Hi? Guys? Thanks? Guys. Had a question. I

1137
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: don't know if this takes place or not, say the

1138
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Giants wanted to get Kyler Murray just for arguments sake?

1139
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Can they have discussions with Arizona? Of course if they

1140
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: and prior to the draft words, of course? Or do

1141
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: they have to wait till the fifteen minutes to do whatever? No? No,

1142
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean trades happened with Picks all the time before

1143
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: the draft, Scott, and I will and related to that,

1144
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: I will guarantee you I'm not saying that I have

1145
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: insiderer exact knowledge, but I will guarantee you that they

1146
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: could very well be conversations right now having orgles and

1147
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: a scenario where a team says, you know what, we

1148
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 1: like Dwayne Haskins, we like Drew Lock. We're gonna wait

1149
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: and see how the draft plays out. If we get

1150
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: our guy, great, If not, here's what we're willing to

1151
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: offer you for Josh Rosen assuming you take Kyler Murray.

1152
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: And I could see the infrastructure of a trade being

1153
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: laid out right now to to have themselves in a

1154
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: position based on what transpires in the first round with

1155
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: the QBS. Okay, Now, the second part of the question

1156
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: is basically this, say everything works out and maybe Arizona's

1157
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: leading towards giving the Giants Kyler Murray and another team

1158
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: makes an offer to Arizona, would Arizona be obligated to

1159
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: let the Giants know, Hey, we just got an offer

1160
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: from say Pampa Bay to this pick. The teams don't

1161
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: have to tell anybody anything, okay. So basically, in other words,

1162
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: with the day of the draft. In other words, teams

1163
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: aren't obligated to tell anybody else what they got from

1164
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: a course. Not I would say, thank you, Scott, Okay,

1165
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: thanks appreciate the call. Yeah. No, not under any obligation

1166
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: to let anybody know of every discussion that you have

1167
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: until the deal is finalized. In the eyes of the league,

1168
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: everything is up for grabs. We got a hard Outlan,

1169
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: So I was gonna do a request line today, but

1170
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: or at a time. I don't want to try to

1171
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: squeeze it in. We have a heart out of three. Um.

1172
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: If they do decide to select Kyler Murray and move Rosen,

1173
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: when do you think that gets done. I think that

1174
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: could get done perhaps after they make the first pick. See.

1175
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that the draft well, because once again I

1176
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: could see them having conversations with some teams that say, hey,

1177
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: we may give you a better offer, but we've got

1178
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: to wait and see how the draft plays out, and

1179
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: they may want to see how the dynamics. Maybe we'll see.

1180
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. I just wanted to make

1181
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: the damn decision already so we can adjus started. We're

1182
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: doing a mock draft next Tuesday. I want to be

1183
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: able to know what's happening at number one. I'm not well.

1184
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: They really should think about that. Lands good stuff. Thanks

1185
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: for joining us today on Big Blue Kick Golf Life.

1186
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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,720
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