1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: So the U. S. Navy is huge. It's incredibly powerful, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: but like any other organization, it worries about a lot 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. You might be surprised to learn, as we 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: were that the name. One of the things the Navy 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: is worried about is the release of UFO files. Yeah. 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: Is it because they know they're outclassed by some other force, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: whether it's of this Earth or not? M m maybe maybe? Maybe? Uh? 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Is it because it might expose some of their own activities. 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: That's a possibility as well. Well, let's find out together 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: on this episode. This is our last one for now 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: of our UFO playlist. But guess what, there are more 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: episodes on this topic that you can find in our 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: feed You just gotta hunt for him. So good luck 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: and enjoy this episode. From UFOs to psychic powers and 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. Can turn 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: back now or learn the stuff they don't want you 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: is They called me Ben. We are joined as always 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul, Mission controlled dec and most importantly, 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here and that makes this stuff. 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know, as we have been doing. 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: At the top of the show, we're gonna we're gonna 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: do a little bit of of a Twitter roll call. 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: That's where we find some tweets from you and your 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. Just give them, give them some time on 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: air to see what you all think about them. Who 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: would like to do the honors today? Let's go to 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: in DAG fifteen. In DAG fifteen fifteen, says Yo. So 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein got twenty three years and everyone's talking about coronavirus. 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: Was this planned or something? This is the same thing 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: as Wendy Williams fainting during the wildfires? Interesting? What is 33 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: he saying that coronavirus is the Wendy Williams fanning in 34 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: the wh during the wild Yes, the coronavirus is the Hey, 35 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: look over your smoke screen, and the real thing is 36 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Harvey wind cover story. Yeah, I don't that seems wrong. 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like generally that would go 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: the other way. That's what I'm thinking. But and that 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: is not too you know, well, it's it's not to 40 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: say the the victims of Harvey Weinstein are not important 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: that is just to say that's it's going to affect 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot more people, the coronavirus. Weinstein went to jail, yes, 43 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It would it would feel 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: like more of a one to one cover story comparison 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: if Weinstein somehow did not go to jail and got 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, put in mental institution or rehab, like when 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: he went to that when he tried to go to 48 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: that sex addiction rehab and then dropped out early. That 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: also happened. Uh, you know, probably so we could go 50 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: have some sex. Who knows. And the reports of we 51 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: may have talked about this off air, may have talked 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: about what you guys, but the reports of his uh, 53 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: the reports of his surgery bits unmentionables. Oh yes, yeah, 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: it's really like like the like the descriptions, descriptives and 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: it had the pleasure so painful for survivors that have 56 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: to mention that. But his his bits his Australia as 57 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: a train wreck, uh in a medically bizarre way. But yeah, 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: it could it be a cover story. We know that 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: those we know that those do occur. We've had a 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: lot of people actually right in to say that. See 61 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: people have said the coronavirus is a cover story for 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: something different. Many political partisans are saying coronavirus is a 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: alarmist story meant to distract from what they see as 64 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: the d n C conspire ring to push an establishment 65 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: candidate over the one that they feel is closer to 66 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: their values. But the thing about those cover stories is 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: you never really know until it's too late to do anything. Right. 68 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: So here's another one. Here's another Twitter shout out from 69 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: technol Music. Technolo Music says, guys, big fan, I got 70 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: some stuff they don't want you to know and would 71 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: love to share it with you. Guys. It involves black 72 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: hat s e O, search engine optimization, bots, elections and 73 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: what we expect in the upcoming elections. I know how 74 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: all that stuff works intimately because I used to do it. Yeah. 75 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: Big shout out to Technology Dash Internet God. Um, I 76 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: I do not know who you are, genuinely, technologe. You 77 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: seem to have a lot of followers Technology Internet. If 78 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: we should say that Technology Internet out, I apologize, man, 79 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: but that's uh. You know you've intrigued us. We would 80 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: love to know if you want to send things, detailed things. 81 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Our email is conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. 82 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: And you know, we've got that phone number that you'll 83 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: hear at the end. And if you would be more 84 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: comfortable using an encrypted info drop site, then I can 85 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: set one of those up when we can communicate that way, 86 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: or proton mail or proton mail as well. This is 87 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: not a commercial proton mail, but they do good work. 88 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: It's proton mail where you like molecularly deconstructed and then 89 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: reassemble it on the other side, or something almost exactly that, 90 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: just with encryption. Yeah, it's pretty secure. A lot of journalists, 91 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: especially in dangerous authoritarian countries, use proton mail. And this 92 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: concludes our Twitter roll call. On with the show today 93 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: we return fellow conspiracy realist once again to the controversial 94 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: and fast moving get it world of UFO revelations in 95 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: recent years. In recent months, Western governments have done something 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: kind of hilarious. Uh, They've revealed internal documentation that flatly 97 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: contradicts their earlier stated policies. Remember in the days after 98 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Blue Book, the famous Project Blue Book, where where in 99 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: the government collected all these reports of unidentified flying objects. 100 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: In the years since then, Uncle Sam's main official line 101 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: had always been we did this, we didn't find anything. 102 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: We don't waste money on it anymore because your taxpayer, 103 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: that's your money. We spend it on good stuff like bombs, 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: maybe weaponized diseases. But recent weeks later confirmed that the 105 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: US Navy at the very least as well as the 106 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: Pentagon were in fact closely monitoring what they called U 107 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: a p unexplained aerial phenomena, while simultaneously claiming they were 108 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: doing no such thing. Isn't that just like a synonym 109 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: for UFO? How is that? Is there anything that sets 110 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: it apart? Well, it doesn't have this stigma, so it's 111 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: just sort of like a stand in. Then it's sort 112 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: of like a less charged version of the same exact thing. Well, 113 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: it's it's more broad too, because it doesn't have the 114 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: implication that there's a physical object. It's a craft of 115 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: some kinds that could just be weather, which is often 116 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: the explanation for UFOs as well. So it's interesting that 117 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: there's a separate term. I wonder who pitched that in 118 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: a meeting. I don't know. Yeah, this this is interesting though, 119 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: because this is still a developing story, we want to 120 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: give you a real quick walk through on some stuff 121 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: for a deep dive into some of this information please 122 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: check out our earlier episode not sponsored by Blink one two. 123 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: But when we talk about revelations, what do we mean? 124 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Here are the facts. In The New York Times exposed 125 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: the Pentagon's previously secret mysterious UFO program that was known 126 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: as Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or a a d 127 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: i P at TIP, A TIP I'm gonna go with 128 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: at TIP. This program catapulted an individual who was previous 129 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: a quite unknown by the name of Luis Alesando um 130 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: right into the public eye. Alexando, a former employee of 131 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence 132 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: or DOOSTI uh and a former U. S. Army counterintelligence 133 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: special agents. Yes, and Luis Alizondo, as we will refer 134 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: to as Elizondo henceforth he uh. He was the head 135 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: of this a t I P year or at TIP 136 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: as we have named it. Now, this was a really 137 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: interesting thing. It was a program type of program that 138 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: we've discussed before on this show called a Special Access program. 139 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: It was allotted somewhere between twenty two and twenty nine 140 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: million dollars and it was it got its start or 141 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: is initiated by the Defense Intelligence Agency and here's the 142 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: here's what it was gonna do. It was going to 143 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: study unidentified aerial phenomena, these things we call now you 144 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: a P s UM also UFOs. And this guy, like 145 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: we said, he just got thrust out there. He had 146 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: to start immediately answering questions about this thing that nobody 147 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: knew about. Really interesting too, because when he started answering 148 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: this it was after the fact. He was an ex 149 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: government employee. And Louis made a lot of claims. I'm 150 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: calling Louis because that's what the History Channel refers to him. 151 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: As we'll get to it. Uh, he claimed that not 152 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: only was Uncle Sam cognizant of these various instances of 153 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: U A P, but he claimed that they retrieved the 154 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: holy grail of ufology, which would be physical evidence. He 155 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: said there were metal alloys and other materials the government 156 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,239 Speaker 1: had recovered. According to the d O D, this program 157 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: was ended in two thousand twelve after five years. However, 158 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: that's what they said about the kind of investigations that 159 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: took place during Blue Book, and that was true for 160 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: some of the time, but not true for sever years. 161 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: So of course, you cannot blame people for saying they 162 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: don't believe the official line, and he said Alsando was 163 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: an ex government employee. He resigned from that program in 164 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: October of twenty seventeen, and he said he resigned in 165 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: protest of government secrecy. What he saw is opposition to 166 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: the mission of the program and his personal belief that 167 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: in both the d D, the Pentagon, and the Halls 168 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: of Congress, uh, this mission was not being taken seriously. 169 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: He felt kind of like maybe with someone's pet project, 170 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, uh huh. And then you know, 171 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: he left the government. He said, I don't like your mission. 172 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to a place where I can find a 173 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: real home, where I'm gonna really gel with what this 174 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: company and the service is all about. Slab City City No. 175 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: He started working with To the Stars Academy that if 176 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: you're a listener of this show, you may be familiar. 177 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: If you're a listener of Joe Rogan experience, you're probably familiar. 178 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: If you're a listener of really important I might say 179 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: early two thousands music, you may be familiar. Um to 180 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: the Stars Academy is the private UFO investigation group created 181 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: by created by Tom DeLong, who is currently also famous 182 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: for being a founding member of the band Blink one two. 183 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: He is retired from Blink one D two. However, To 184 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: the Stars Academy still is involved in the music business. 185 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: But I talked about this before we did. But and 186 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: you may think, oh wait, a u a UFO slash 187 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: u AP focused company created by a former musician. I 188 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: don't need to worry about that. They're never gonna do 189 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: anything groundbreaking. They've definitely done some some stuff, That's what 190 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying, because in uh, they kind of shocked the world. 191 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: They shocked us. Yeah. Eighteen, To the Stars Academy released 192 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: a thirty second video of U. S Navy pilots encountering 193 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: a UFO. This was different from many similar instances of 194 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: alleged UFO footage. Well, I say alleged of UFO footage 195 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: because the some of the people who were involved directly 196 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: on the Navy's side confirmed that this was legit, and 197 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: you may remember the one. I mean it was. It 198 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: was remarkable as well, because it was very clear that 199 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: the pilots we're seeing something that was very unusual, and 200 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: the way they were commenting on it really rang true. Yeah, 201 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: and they had none of the usual disadvantages that you'll 202 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: see in a lot of UFO reports. They were not 203 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: on they were not on the ground, they were not inexperienced, 204 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, they were familiar with all the things it 205 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: could be, and they couldn't answer the question. This was 206 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: one of those very small percentages of UFO reports that 207 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: did not have, even on the very skeptical end, a 208 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: satisfying answer. They're commenting about the way it's moved ing. 209 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: It's like a little blip on their radar, like a bogey, right, 210 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: and they're well, look at it, go, look at it, flip, 211 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: you know, like they're saying all these things, at these 212 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: like very um firsthand um observations from people that are 213 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: experts and such things context exactly, then they did as well. Absolutely, 214 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: the footage was recorded on the East coast of the 215 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: United States in so that's what happened. All of that 216 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: is real. Those are factual events. There's another factual thing 217 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: we have to mention here about Alesondo and about to 218 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: the Stars. That is, despite the fact that these this 219 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: footage is real, has been confirmed that thirty seconds actually happened. 220 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Despite all that, there was still an enormous problem of 221 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: credibility for both Alisondo and for To the Stars. Academy itself. First, 222 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: Alisando's post government career has led to some criticism, both 223 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: from skeptics and from people who are more true believers 224 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: in the UFO commune, Citty, and that's because you know, 225 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: his life didn't stop when his government paychecks stopped, if 226 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: it ever did, which is another theory about it. Alazando 227 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: joined the cast of a show on the History Channel 228 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: called Unexplained. And you know how those kinds of shows 229 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: go on the History Channel, uh, which is not ading 230 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: on them, it's just very much on the entertainment side 231 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Uh, think of George Sukalos. Right. So 232 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: this has prompted some critics to imply or insinuate that 233 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: his goal is to turn a profit rather than to 234 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: pursue the truth. But to be fair, those two are 235 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive. Yeah. And there's the other point here 236 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: that's been made before, which is possibly this story kind 237 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: of like as our Twitter friend identified earlier, this concept 238 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: of putting for worth a bit of disinformation to be 239 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: a smoke screen or to throw people off a track. Um, 240 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: we hopefully we'll talk about a little bit later in 241 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: the episode. Um. Not, it could be that his motivations 242 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: are not just profit there to purposefully put out bogus information. Ah. Yes, yeah, 243 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,119 Speaker 1: but again that is complete speculation. Who knows his intentions. 244 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: What's tricky about that, though, is that even if he 245 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: comes out later and says I was working as a 246 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: disinfo agent, you know, shout out to dot net, I 247 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: was working as an agent miss or disinformation and I 248 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: am going to confess at all. What if he said 249 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: that in a tell all documentary, you know that people 250 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: had to buy, then you wouldn't trust them again, right, 251 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: because you would still unless unless there is a harsh 252 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: air gap, a clear separation between profit and uh prescience 253 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: or prophetic figure, then people are always going to ask 254 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: that question. And it's a valid question to ask us 255 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: asking It is just us describing the lay of the land. 256 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: He's like, we interview that like sold like UFO tours 257 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: or something, or like UFO Vision quests. Doctor Stephen Greer, Right, that, 258 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, again not throwing shade directly, but it does 259 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: call into question when your whole purpose for espousing a 260 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: certain belief is to sell quite expensive seminar packages. Yes, 261 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: but in the case of Elisondo, who knows how that 262 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to be on the History Channel came about, it 263 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: could have been a tremendous opportunity for him, uh, money wise, 264 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: while like we said, kind of while still pursuing the 265 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: truth and seeking the truth. We just have to keep 266 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: all of that stuff in mind as we as we 267 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: continue along here. One last point, and it's something that 268 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: some of our fellow listeners will know, but many of 269 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: us may not be aware of this. A lot of 270 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: times when people end up being pundits or subject matter 271 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: experts on entertainment shows like that, they get in that 272 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: old uh they're they're in that old frog and slowly 273 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: but boiling water kind of thing. They meet some producers 274 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: who are maybe not a ethical who say, we believe 275 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: in your mission, we want to help you, and then 276 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: along the way they just slowly nudge them further and 277 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: further away from something that's more documentary or fact finding 278 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: into something that's more entertainment. There's also absolutely nothing preventing 279 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: a lot of those companies from taking someone's statement out 280 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: of context or even what's called frank in biting And 281 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: you guys, can you describe frank and biting for everyone? Yeah, 282 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: it's sort of like um taking little syllables and snippets 283 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: of things people say. Uh, it's typically done in reality 284 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: television where you cut away from the person's visual and 285 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: then you hear the sound of their voice saying a 286 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: thing that sounds believable, but it's really just a snipped 287 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: up mishmash of different things they've said to of a 288 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: certain meaning. And this is something you have to do 289 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: in true crime podcasts a lot where maybe a fact 290 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: is slightly wrong and you don't have your host in 291 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: to do a fix or something. You know, that's that 292 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: would a much more magnanimous version of of reason to 293 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: do this. Well, I guess what I'm saying is that 294 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: concept of frank in biting. It's something you can do 295 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: with editing tools, whether in video or audio that if 296 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: you have control or rights over the materials you have 297 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: has been said, there's very little anyone can do about that. 298 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: And it's not inherently nefarious, is what you're saying as well. 299 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you can do it to help the person 300 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: sound like they said the correct thing, and you could 301 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: argue still maybe there's some ethical gray area there if 302 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: they didn't really say it, maybe you should just you know, 303 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: find a different way to say it. But what's done 304 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times in reality television, where it is 305 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: more nefarious is to actually have someone say something that 306 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: they didn't really say right, so uh a hopefully fictitious. 307 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: An example would be on a reality show. Let's say 308 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: we have someone who says, so and so is my 309 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: best friends. I would never sleep with his wife. Uh, 310 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: but I love having this conversation because when I get 311 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: to air this out, we can dispel any rumors. And 312 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: so the producers could take that and just pull the 313 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: words out and they would say I love having sex 314 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: with his wife, and it would be smooth enough that 315 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: if you didn't know the situation, you would think, Wow, 316 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: what a dirt bag to say that, and you would 317 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: never know that they made one sentence out of like 318 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: two or three. We're just saying that can happen. That 319 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: can happen, So maybe, uh, maybe Alesando was in a 320 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: situation like that. Maybe we're being too hard on this. 321 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: We just have to admit those things can happen in 322 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: the world of television. And there's no denying that Alesando 323 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: did incredibly important work and may still be doing it right. 324 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: But the problem with credibility, or we should say, the 325 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: criticisms of credibility. Don't stop with this individual. We're gonna 326 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: pause for word from our sponsors, and then we'll turn 327 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: our eyes briefly to the Stars Academy. To the Stars Academy, 328 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: not literally to the stars. Welcome back, everybody, let's continue 329 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: with to the Stars. It was originally launched as a 330 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: record label, which is, you know, that's a cool thing. 331 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: Record labels are cool. They're not quite as profitable as 332 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: they once were, but you can still do uh some 333 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: great works with within one of those Yes, that was um. 334 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: Then you know, over time it evolved into kind of 335 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: a mixed media a more general entertainment company. And you know, 336 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: as of the time that we're discussing here twenty seventeen, 337 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: they existed as a public benefit corporation. Now that is 338 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: a fun status to have, like a nonprofit. Uh, they 339 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: can still make money, so they're they're kind of a 340 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: corporation that in their charter and their mission statement and 341 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: their goals, they can list public benefit as one of 342 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: their goals in addition to stuff like making the most 343 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: money possible for shareholders. It's like a legal way of 344 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: saying we're we're the good guys. Uh. So they did 345 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: that now. They they've published graphic novels, they've published books. 346 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: They've also of course done a number of TV shows, films, 347 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: and still as a record label doing albums. Right, the 348 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: company is responsible at least partially for reinvigorating public interest 349 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: in UFOs, as well as serious, serious research on the subject. 350 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, even if someone's critical of them, they can't 351 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: take that away from them. They are they are driving 352 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: force that conversation. A Losando is as we record, still 353 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: with to the Stars Academy. What's his official title? According 354 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: to the current website, he is the Director of Government 355 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: Programs and Services and in Government Programs and Services, so 356 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: he's kind of like their government expert, their subject matter 357 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: expert or government liaison. Yeah. And underneath that, just it's 358 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: really interesting, they have the team a little tab you 359 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: can click on under that lists all of his his 360 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: background there just to let you know, like he really 361 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: has had a lot of experience. He does, he has 362 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: a wealth of experience. Uh. It's also weird because I've 363 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: seen it in different places on the website where he's 364 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: described as the director of Global Security and Special Programs. 365 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: So maybe that title has changed over time, but as 366 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: of March of Uh. The latest news from to the 367 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: Stars is that they have announced a partnership with an 368 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: equity firm, try Point Global Equities, to sell shares in 369 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: their organization. And talking about investments in that way, it 370 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: makes people a little skittish, you know what I mean. 371 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: Now you're messing with the money. More than one person 372 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: has learned the hard way that that's not the best idea. 373 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Uh So it's weird. When you go to the I 374 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: want to see what you guys think about this. When 375 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: you go to the website to the Stars Academy dot com, 376 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: the first thing that comes up is invest now. You 377 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: have you have a menu button, you have a two 378 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: buttons on the landing page at same invest now, and 379 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: you have one that says play video minimum investment fifty dollars, 380 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: price per share five dollars. Huh interesting, you know, h 381 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't like it to to the Stars. I don't 382 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: like it seventy share minimum by it. But but that 383 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: that being said, Ben, if you go through that team, 384 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: the team that they've got down there, there's a dude 385 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: named Steve Justice, which, first of all, incredible names. Justice, 386 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: come on, he's the chief Operations Officer, Aerospace Division Director 387 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: this dude. He's retired, and he retired from skunk Works 388 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: at Lockheed. He worked there for thirty one years. Uh, 389 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: come on, if you're going to have somebody earn your 390 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: team that knows this kind of stuff, that's the guy 391 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: Steve Justice. And you know, I don't want to sound 392 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: too credulous or something, but if you look at especially 393 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: the board members, I get the sense that they're not 394 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: in it for the money, which I like, you know 395 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: what I mean, I think they're there. I can't say definitively, 396 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: but it feels like they're in it because they believe 397 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: in it. Dude. Yeah, Jim Simmonvan he spent twenty five 398 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: years as an operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency, 399 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: the director of Operations. I mean, come on, that's yeah. 400 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that dudes in the for the money. 401 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: That that guy's espionage city and he's just like, what's 402 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: going on over here? Or did they infiltrate immediately and 403 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Jim is the inside guy. I just don't. That's the thing. 404 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: I just don't. This is just my opinion. There's just 405 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: one person's opinion. I try to keep opinions out out 406 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: of the show, but I feel like people never really 407 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: leave the CIA. Yeah, I feel like you're always maybe 408 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: you're officially retired, but you're always kind of on call, 409 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I feel that way. I 410 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: feel like that's absolutely the way, especially if you're at 411 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: the top. But you know, I never officially been in 412 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: the CIA. Add to the problem of credibility for the 413 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: organization is that they have a they ever reported multimillion 414 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: dollar operating deficits, something like thirty seven point four million 415 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: dollars in the hole. And this leads people, especially again 416 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: people are already more on the skeptical side, to say, 417 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: like this is a money grab instead of an actual 418 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: legitimate enterprise. But again for the skeptics, they did get 419 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: ahold of a thirty second thirty six second video that 420 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: is legitimate that no one can explain, including the US government, 421 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: and the US government admitted it. So they did that 422 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: that happened, right. It is weird to have a piece 423 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: of evidence like that that you no, it's real. You're 424 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: sitting there, You're looking at you like, Okay, there's something here. 425 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: But I can't I can't prove that this is real. 426 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: I just it feels real, it looks real, it sounds real. 427 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: But is it real? So that's where we're at, folks. 428 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: Alsando confirmed a secret program, the Navy admitted it, and 429 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: while it was the most significant disclosure since the declassification 430 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: of Project Bluebook, at least in this country, nothing much 431 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: seems to have come from the claims. Yet that mysterious 432 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: footage remains unexplained. The pilots went on record confirming stuff 433 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: they couldn't explain. They made their own guesses. But then 434 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: the story just sort of stopped. So that's the end, right, 435 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: We're done with this episode. I'll finished, or are we? 436 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: You see this January the Navy had something else to say, 437 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: and we'll tell you what it was after a word 438 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Infuriating. Here's where it gets crazy. So 439 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: in January of not too long ago at all, UH, 440 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: independent researcher Christopher lamb Right got a response to his 441 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: fo I requests Freedom of Information Act request seeking more 442 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: information on the strange sighting b Navy pilots that we 443 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: discussed earli the episode that it took place on November 444 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: four of two thousand and four. UM. What he was 445 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: looking for, specifically was more information on the video footage 446 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: and some presentation slides from the Office of Naval Intelligence. Yeah, 447 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: the Navy shut him down. People who know who, who 448 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: are familiar with the foil request they can take forever, 449 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, often don't get the results you want, right, 450 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: And the Navy, the Navy came back with with a 451 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: line that we really like the wave. VICE reported this, 452 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: we have we have a quote. So here's what the 453 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: Navy said. So, the Navy said it had quote discovered 454 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: certain debriefing slides that are classified top secret. Of review 455 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: of these materials indicates that they are currently inappropriately marked 456 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: and classified top secret under Executive Order one three five 457 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: to six, and the original classification authority has determined that 458 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: the release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage 459 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: to the national security of the United States. Let's stop 460 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: right there. I think about that exceptionally grave damage to 461 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: national security? What the hell is on these slides? What's 462 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: in that footage? Right? Why is it exceptionally grave? Does 463 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: that imply that regular grave was fine? You know what 464 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: I mean? So so VICE followed up and asked about 465 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: this denial, and that's when Pentagon spokesperson Susan go elaborated 466 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: a little and she said, the Department of Defense specifically, 467 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: the U S. Navy has the video quote like the 468 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: full video, because there's more than that thirty six seconds. Apparently, 469 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: as Navy and my office have stated previously, as the 470 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: investigation of U a P Unidentified Aerial phenomenal sightings is ongoing, 471 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: we will not publicly discuss individuals sighting reports observations. However, 472 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: I can tell you that the date of the two 473 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: thousand four us S NIMITZ video is November four, two 474 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: thousand four, so I could tell you the date. Uh. 475 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: I can also tell you the link to the the video 476 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: that's been circulating since two thousand seven is the same 477 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: as the length of the source video. We don't expect 478 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: to release this video, but everybody else involved directly has 479 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: said that they there's an eight to nine minute or 480 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: even longer video. And then additionally, some of the I 481 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: don't know, it gets sticky, like what what are they hiding? 482 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: That's the question, because they didn't really say, they just 483 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: said as secret it could be exceptionally dangerous to national 484 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: security and favorite boogeyman. But what I mean, what do 485 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: we think A lot of people are There's a lot 486 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: of conjecture about this, and it feels like a lot 487 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: of it is pretty solid. Early's valid, understandable. Yeah, it 488 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: feels it feels very solid. I was reading another link 489 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: a political article that we had used for the research 490 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: of this show, just kind of going back over it 491 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: right now. It was from September of nine, and in 492 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: this case it's a Republican House Homeland Security Committee member. 493 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: He's actually the ranking member of the Intelligence and counter 494 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: Terrorism Subcommittee, and he was asking specifically about some of 495 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: these sightings, about some of these things. And the quote 496 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: that comes at the end of this article from Walker 497 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: from Representative Walker says, quote, if the Navy believes that 498 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: China or Russia possesses advanced aerospace technologies that represent a 499 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: national security vulnerability, the American people have the right to 500 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: know what their government is doing about it. So then 501 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: they're saying that if there is a if if this 502 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: is a mundane thing and there's some kind of let's 503 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: say defense or war uh warcraft gap, then the public 504 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: needs to know about it. Yeah, if they're if they're 505 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: really saying, you know, as they've stated there, this could 506 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: have this grave damaged to national security. Um, it's it 507 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: either means that somebody else has some kind of technology 508 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: that's dangerous to us, or means we have some kind 509 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: of insane technology that it would be dangerous if other 510 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: countries knew we had it, right, I mean, because they 511 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: would like preemptively strike or something, or they would there 512 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: be retaliation, or it would just be less useful. Yeah, 513 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: I say, there would be less of the element of surprise. 514 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: I got any Oh, in the third option, there is 515 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,239 Speaker 1: that there's some kind of outside exterior force that is 516 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: a danger to all of humanity, which is the most 517 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: exciting one, though the least likely. All Right, questions are 518 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: exciting when you do what we do. If you are 519 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: on the front lines of trying to keep people from dying, 520 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: then questions rightly should terrify you. So worst case scenarios, 521 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: they don't know what it is at all. Uh So, 522 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, people have plenty of people have speculated that 523 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: there is more footage, right, and that's what was being denied. Um. 524 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: Popular Mechanics had multiple witnesses from the Nimitz incident who 525 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: said that they definitely saw something that was much longer 526 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: and a lot more clear, higher resolution, which you guys 527 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: as editors, taught me a long time ago as one 528 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: of the trickiest things about a lot of at least 529 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: the video stuff. Uh, you know that resolution once you 530 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: get past, once you get to a certain degradation, it 531 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it is because the answer is moot. 532 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: But we are talking about two thousand four technology on 533 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: an aircraft. True. Uh, there's there's something else that I 534 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: want to put in a that's been reported in a 535 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: couple of different places. Witnesses said that after the incident, 536 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: shortly after the incident, unidentified people who had some kind 537 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: of credential showed up in a helicopter and took the footage, 538 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: just swooped it up. And still those people have not 539 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: been tied to any official government agency. But not everyone agrees, 540 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, they're there are also people who witnessed it 541 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: who said, clearly what I saw was not of this world, 542 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, and they you know, they're again they're educated 543 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: and observation, they've seen the physics, and they're saying, you 544 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: just can't do a forty five degree move like that. 545 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: But there are other people who are more skeptical, like 546 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: Commander David Fraber said, you know, longer videos of this 547 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: incident don't exist, I would have heard them. People are 548 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: being alarmist but no matter how you slice it, no 549 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: matter where you fall on the spectrum, the answer is 550 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: simply this. There is more to the story. The Navy 551 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: is not letting it out. They say it's dangerous. There's 552 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: literally stuff they don't want you to know. Yes, yes, 553 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: Why would there not be longer video? Rights? In what? 554 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: In what version of this would there not be longer video? 555 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: The only way is if somebody hit record on a 556 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,479 Speaker 1: device and then hit record again after thirty seconds where 557 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: it stopped recording. Do we have a story as to 558 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: how they got hold of the video in the first place. 559 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: I think that is that is probably classified within the 560 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: halls of To the Stars Academy. Well, from what I remember, 561 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: and this comes back from some of our conversations with 562 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: other people in the environment. From what I remember, Tom 563 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: Delong's account was that he had met with people surreptitiously 564 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: in like hotel rooms and stuff, and that someone slid 565 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: him the tape through an official channels. So it's definitely 566 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: a leak. I mean, maybe it's just the best, the 567 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: good part, you know. Yeah, But see, this is why 568 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: it screams dis info to me. It screams dis info 569 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: to me because it is this tiny, little tantalizing snippet 570 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: that was given to Tom DeLong in a hotel somewhere 571 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: by someone I don't know. After all, I mean it 572 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: because of the nature of the resolution of the footage, 573 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: you could certainly fake a video like that pretty easily 574 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: with plug ins and you know, just downgrading the video 575 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: quality or doing any number of things. I'm pretty terrible 576 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: at it, and I'm confident that I could make it 577 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: because the voice you just hear the voices. You don't 578 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: even see their faces. You just see like a static 579 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: shot from within the cockpit. Right, Yeah, it's it's the 580 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: observational um camera. I guess that they're using the equivalent 581 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: of like a like a dash cam and like a 582 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: uber or something kind of. But they've got a hood 583 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: and it is a really or heads up display and 584 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: it is a really sophisticated system. It's just you know, 585 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: with with an Adobe suite, you could you could recreate 586 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: all Another interesting thing about that, why is there just 587 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: the video? Because those they don't just have a camera 588 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: slapped in front of the jet fighters. They have multiple 589 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: monitor ring systems. There's a suite, So I would be 590 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: interested in seeing any other onboard sensor reports. So yeah, 591 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's way less sexy than a video, but 592 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: it would go a long way towards helping explain what 593 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: this was. It would be better data, at least, I mean, 594 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: because surely there, if it's locking in on this bogeye 595 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: or whatever, there would be a record of its trajectory 596 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: and the way it moved and stuff, and you should 597 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: be able to generate a report on that, I would imagine, right, yeah, absolutely. 598 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: And here's another thing that's a little screwy about this. 599 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: The Pentagon repeatedly changed its story since the original exposure 600 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: past the point of fog of war or miscommunication internally, right, 601 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: which can totally happen. That could totally happen. Sometimes agencies 602 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: can just be wrong about what their messages. But as 603 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: recently as last month, the Pentagon said that a tip 604 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with UFOs what we would call UFOs. 605 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: Alizondo has said that he is quote not able to 606 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: comment further on the existence of a longer video due 607 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: to my obligations involving my n D a nondisclosure agreement 608 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: with the government, and the fact that I am no 609 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: longer employed with the US government. However, he follows as 610 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: I stated before, people should not be surprised by the 611 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: revelation that other videos exist and at a greater length. 612 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: So to unpack that, he said, I can't. I guess 613 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: what he's trying to do is skirt the line of 614 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: n d A and say, well, I can't say if 615 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: there's a longer version of this video that we're talking about, 616 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: but I can say you shouldn't be surprised if other 617 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: longer videos exist, which is, you know, uh, that can 618 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: make a pretty good meal for lawyers, you know what 619 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: I mean. If that ever, that would be interesting in 620 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: the courtroom, you know. Uh. So so there we go. 621 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean, what what what do you all think? I 622 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: don't know about you guys. I would I would say 623 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: one of two things, or most likely one, like you said, Matt, 624 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: maybe there's in a rival military that has some kind 625 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: of maybe like a sub launched nuke or missile that 626 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: has some previously unknown abilities. Or maybe there's something that 627 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: the US did observing this stuff and they don't want, 628 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: like to your point about the element of surprisal, maybe 629 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: they don't want rival militaries to know just how they 630 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: how good they are at monitoring things like that's the 631 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: reason a lot of intelligence was classified in the years 632 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: before Five Eyes was public knowledge. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, 633 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: hiding the surveillance technology. So are they hiding there's technology? 634 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: Are they hiding someone else's what's going on? Something else's, 635 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: something else's. Yeah, we want to hear from you. Tell 636 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: us if you think it's some kind of new sophisticated 637 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: uh ua V technology, because it well, it looks like 638 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: like it was probably a smaller craft, but it did 639 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: look odd in that video. I don't know. I for 640 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: a while there, I was convinced it was some kind 641 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: of drone. Right. The shape of it is almost like 642 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: got that triangular kind of vibe to it, right, Yeah, 643 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: but odd odd Quick question you guys, to derail and 644 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: take us into the spet realm of speculative fiction. Have 645 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: you guys seen the trailer for the new season of 646 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: West World yet? Yes? I think it looks awesome. Okay, 647 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: you don't think so, you seem yeah, no, I think so. 648 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm did you say that with a big question mark 649 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: at the hand. I am looking forward to it and 650 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: it's coming out. It will be out by the time 651 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: this episode released. The show will Yeah, okay, but I 652 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: just I just like that it's in the real world, 653 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: and it's like you know, and it's got all these 654 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: crazy max and drones and stuff, and we haven't really 655 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: seen much of that on the show up until now. 656 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm excited. And it's got Jesse Pinkman from breaking that 657 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: which I'm whatever. His name is the real actor, guy 658 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: Aaron Paul. That's it. He's He's fantastic. Look, this show 659 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: is not brought to you by West World or HBO 660 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: or any of the other things that we mentioned today 661 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: Tom DeLong at least Angels and at least at the 662 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: time that we're recording it. However, maybe one day in 663 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: the future you will hear a West World add on 664 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: this episode. In your mind will be blown if we're 665 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: still around. I mean, who knows, how are we going 666 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: to become a quote grave threat to national security? I 667 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: hope not extraordinarily grave threat. I got I gotta ask 668 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: you guys. You know how Tom DeLong had a very 669 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: distinct vocal style as one of the singers of link 670 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: Wanity two. Let's six call a little nasally. I guess 671 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: you know. So the guy that replaced him in the band, 672 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: who was in the band Alcohol and Trio, he does 673 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: like a perfect copy of that, and how how do you? 674 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: How do you do that and live with yourself? Like 675 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: he's just totally doing his best Tom DeLong impression. It's probably, 676 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's cool to be a working musician's probably 677 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: living with himself all the way to the bank. Maybe yeah. 678 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: Or maybe he already got picked because he naturally sings 679 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: like that. Maybe, so it's sort of like Peter Gabriel 680 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: versus Phil Collins. You know, Phil Collins was the drummer 681 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: for Genesis and sang all the backups, and then when 682 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: he took Peter's place as the lead singer, he sounds 683 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 1: just like Peter. But it's because they kind of came 684 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: up singing together. So maybe it's not as rip off 685 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: he as I think. I quite enjoyed seeing them live. 686 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: The drummer Travis Barker is a monster. Oh yeah, Travis 687 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: Barker has that invisible touch too, And uh, you know, 688 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited that you're excited. Well thanks man. So everyone, 689 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: if you can hear this, please reach out to us 690 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter or Facebook where we're conspiracy stuff, or let's 691 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: say Instagram where we're conspiracy stuff. Show tell us what 692 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: you think about this serious UFO slash u AP program 693 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: that was occurring there, about this specific case of some 694 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: kind of unidentified aerial phenomena, and um, what you think 695 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: about this whole possibility that there's a longer video out 696 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: there somewhere. Have you seen it? Can you send it? Yeah, 697 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: that's exactly what's gonna ask. Send it our way. Have 698 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: you any of those channels if you'd like, or hey, 699 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: you can give us a phone call and tell us 700 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: all about it. Our number is one eight three three 701 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: std W y t K. Leave a message. We will 702 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: hear you. And oh hey, guess what, it's that special 703 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: time we are going to hear the latest message that 704 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: has come in. I'm just pulling it up right here. 705 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: All right, Hey guys, I just wanted to say I'm 706 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: a fan of the show. Well what you guys do, 707 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: keep up the good work. And uh and here's my 708 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: bend bowling impression. Right m hmm. Thanks whoa that one? 709 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: That one was unexpected. Ben your you're five nailed it. 710 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Spot On. We found out some somewhere 711 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: on the Internet that people do a drinking game based 712 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: on our various idiosyncrasies. What's what's uh so what's yours? 713 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: Do you know? Is it? Is it that? Yeah? Wait? 714 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: What's knowles? Knowles is funny question and yours is? But 715 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: what if? Okay, I thought mine would have been using 716 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: the words situation. I say that a lot, or I 717 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: say like, you know, it's a UFO type situation or 718 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: a paper cup type situation. You know I could see 719 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: that maybe randomly bringing up an HBO show that was 720 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: not random, that was drone based. 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