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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Hell for.

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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy.

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Speaker 3: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edo State is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 4: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 1: Danner of Esteem, welcome back to my friend. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, very excited for the show, as I am

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Speaker 2: every time we talk recruiting during the I guess early

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Speaker 2: signing period or sort of between early signing period of

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Speaker 2: National Signing Day. Obviously we're having Brandon Huffman on the

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Speaker 2: show because he's the best, and he is an annual tradition.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. You know it's it's heated up here. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: on the edge of their seat waiting for my weather update.

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Speaker 3: Tie.

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Speaker 2: We are up to I want to say, low thirties,

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Speaker 2: approaching maybe a forty degree time temp. Yeah, buddy, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go out for like an old man walking a

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Speaker 2: little while it's all happening.

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Speaker 1: Tie.

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Speaker 2: Now, everything is good.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is our annual catch up chat with Brandon Huffman,

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Speaker 1: a twenty four to seven sports who's going to walk

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Speaker 1: back through the early signing period with us as we

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Speaker 1: typically do when we do these episodes, we will have

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Speaker 1: some team specific stuff about players, about coaches, about philosophies

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Speaker 1: with respect to specific schools, but we also, i think,

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Speaker 1: has definitely taken on a bit of an outsized influence

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Speaker 1: with respect to not just how schools are recruiting and

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Speaker 1: once a year. It's our friend, Brandon Hoffman, National Recruiting Editor,

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports. Pleasure to be with you

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Speaker 1: as always, Brandon. You know, we make like an annual

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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure to be in your company once more.

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Speaker 1: How are you, my friend?

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Speaker 3: Oh? You know what a tradition unlike any other. And

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Speaker 3: it's fitting because today was typically what would have been

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Speaker 1: perfect segue. Actually signing Day quote unquote obviously does not

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Speaker 1: At the risk of asking a stupid question, I have

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Speaker 3: And now that there is no limit to how many

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Speaker 3: get out of my letter of intent. I mean Julian's saying.

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Speaker 3: Perfect example, He's sitting in a meeting in Alabama the

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Speaker 4: But that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that's really holding the players back anymore.

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Speaker 4: So why not sign.

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Speaker 3: Why not get a little bit of cash on the

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Speaker 1: listen for joy of the sport. People love college football.

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Speaker 1: That's why we do the show. So when you hear

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Speaker 1: all of this talk about money being the primary motivator.

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Speaker 1: It is obviously a little bit more of a cynical

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Speaker 1: we do this show, but it is clearly a factor that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: some other element on the recruiting trail other than the money.

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Speaker 1: Are these guys still looking at systems that they're going

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Speaker 1: to step into, coaches that they're going to play for,

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Speaker 1: the culture of the place that they're going to sign with,

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Speaker 1: or is it truly like eighty five percent money that

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the right answer to that is

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Speaker 3: look at the last year's National Championship game. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 3: was a transfer, but the majority of that Notre Dame

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Speaker 3: roster in that Ohio State roster was homegrown guys. The

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Speaker 3: core that Washington team was homegrown. Same with Michigan, that

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Speaker 3: you know, Indiana is seemingly an outlier, if you will,

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Speaker 3: in that the last couple of years, you've had these

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Speaker 3: were still those developmental guys. The Georgia teams that were

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Speaker 3: winning were winning with the homegrown talent. Maybe you get

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Speaker 3: the Finnish line like it did with Ohio State, but

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Speaker 3: it was homegrown. And I think even look at this

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Speaker 3: year's playoff teams or the you know, the top five teams.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Texas Tech is a team that's got

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Speaker 3: a lot of transfer guys, But is anybody really giving

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Speaker 3: Texas Tech a chance when you're comparing them to a Georgia,

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Speaker 3: when you're comparing him to an Ohio State, when you're

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Speaker 3: comparing him to an Oregon, you know, Oregon. I still

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Speaker 3: consider Dante an Oregon homegrown guy. I mean, yeah, he

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Speaker 3: And you know, Ohio State, the Jeremiah Smith, the Julian saying,

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Speaker 3: of the day, you still look, the teams that are

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Speaker 3: what it's doing is if you're a big time school

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Speaker 3: you don't need to go and get thirty to forty

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Speaker 3: Colorado's doing. You know, Indiana is going to sustain it

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Speaker 3: now to the point where Chris Signada does not have

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Speaker 3: they're not a flash in the pan. That's going to

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Speaker 3: help their recruiting. But for the most part, these schools

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Speaker 3: that have been consistently since the college football playoffs started

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Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, I mean, go back to the twenty

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Speaker 3: all in the playoffs this year, all consistently been top ten,

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Speaker 3: top fifteen teams over the last decade. So at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, if you're a fan of a

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Speaker 2: Right, But the calculus has changed a little bit in

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Speaker 2: because outside of maybe the situations where coaches leave, we've

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Speaker 2: seen anecdotally fewer crazy decommitments that it seems that there is,

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Speaker 2: and this I assume is very much tied to these

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Speaker 2: deals that players are signing or will sign. What can

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Speaker 2: you say about the creativity of the deals that especially

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Speaker 2: top players are signing when they commit, not necessarily when

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Speaker 2: seems like we could be talking about deals that involve hey,

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Speaker 2: if you don't take any visits, this is your bonus. Hey,

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Speaker 2: if you stay committed and sign, this is your bonus.

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Speaker 2: That almost if you do anything or you think about

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Speaker 2: Do we have those types of creative contracts?

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Speaker 5: You do?

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Speaker 3: And it's all languaging And that's why guys aren't you know,

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Speaker 3: flipping away from their schools like they did in the

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Speaker 3: you flipped, it was because there was a double back

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Speaker 3: And I think that you know, one of the more

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Speaker 3: if you remember when he committed, I think it was

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Speaker 3: like the fourth of July. I was right around that fourth.

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Speaker 4: Of July time.

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Speaker 3: We were getting numbers, like pure numbers from reporters saying

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Speaker 3: had other reporters that were quickly saying, well, he's not

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Speaker 3: really getting that. It's a backloaded deal, like you're dealing

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Speaker 3: with a lot of creative language. And you have some

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Speaker 3: that's going to entice other potential clients to sign with

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Speaker 3: them signing with the agent, not with the school. And

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Speaker 3: and you know you have the school basically say who whoaaha,

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Speaker 3: we are giving them that much because we don't want

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Speaker 3: who are going to be making less than that, and

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Speaker 3: they're actually here right now. So you're already seeing the

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Speaker 3: pasturing on both sides, whether it's the player's representation, whether

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Speaker 3: but there is there is creativity going there. There are

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Speaker 3: players that we're getting. Hey, we know we're not going

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Speaker 3: to come to this game day visit because it shows

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Speaker 4: Have a chance.

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Speaker 3: We'll give you ten thousand, fly you and your family here,

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Speaker 3: give you tickets just to come to this game, because

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Speaker 3: your presence might actually make the kid that we have

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Creativity going on behind the scenes. But you're also seeing

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Speaker 3: some really wild numbers. I mean, by the time we

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Speaker 3: got from Larry Ellison's going to be somewhere like seventy

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like, do I think it's eleven million,

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Speaker 3: it's probably close to that. Do I think it's seventy

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Speaker 2: What is the situation with parents and choosing agents and

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Speaker 2: How are agents being vetted? Are are agents particularly good

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Speaker 2: seeing coaches gms and you talk about like trying to

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Speaker 2: the name of the game now also trying to impress agents,

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Speaker 2: right because they are wielding a new kind of power.

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Speaker 2: So the GM of Alabama or Oregon or Florida or whatever,

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Speaker 2: agents are now saying like, hey, I've dealt with these

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Speaker 3: It does, and it all depends on kind of who

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Speaker 3: what we've seen like in the last three or four

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Speaker 3: like a CAAA, like an athlete's first like a Wasserman clutch.

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Speaker 3: They've gotten in the game, but they're only taking on

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Speaker 3: guys that they feel very confident are going to be

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Speaker 3: So you're making the long term game. But a lot

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Speaker 3: You know, there is no certification that you have to

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of great going on. If I'm a

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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of these guys aren't estabised. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you is that I'm keeping twenty percent. Your son's

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Speaker 3: there are some agents that certainly are legit. They're what

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Speaker 3: fall into the personal department. That's fall into the skytying department.

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Speaker 3: Whereas when the gas were first brought in, it was

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Speaker 3: This is what our board looks like. These are the

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Speaker 3: monetarily the talent still matches that. But it's more about

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Speaker 3: I did to sit down with each of them in October,

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Speaker 3: And now we're in an error too, you know, to

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Speaker 3: Ty's point, we've got guys that the schools are announcing

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Speaker 3: they're resigning with them.

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Speaker 1: Know, which is still weird.

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Speaker 5: a few more agreements are agreed upon.

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Speaker 3: We're going to see more resignings and it's just like, okay,

436
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 3: this is that's the bizarre part, like where even the

437
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 3: NFL doesn't do that unless it's an extension after you know,

438
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 3: a five year of the contract was played out. So

439
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 3: I think that that that, more than anything, kind of

440
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 3: speaks to where we're at. But at the same time,

441
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 3: if you've got a player who's really good and another

442
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 3: school said, hey, we're one missing piece away, you kind

443
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: of have to celebrate the resigning because that guy could

444
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 3: be all that a Miami is missing. He can be

445
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 3: all that a other school is missing. So to win that,

446
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,959
Speaker 3: you're at least telling your fan base, hey, we're competitive,

447
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 3: we're in the game. We resigned this guy, so we're

448
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 3: not poverty, we're not broke, we could still be competitive.

449
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: So it's just we used to celebrate signy and now

450
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 3: we're signing re signing day.

451
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I think is indicative of

452
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Speaker 2: all of this is if you look at top prospects

453
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: across various states, big known recruiting states like you know,

454
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: Texas and Florida and Georgia and California, whatever, and even

455
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: smaller states. And I noticed this with Maryland. I noticed

456
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Speaker 2: this with Colorado. You're not seeing fences in the same

457
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: way like when you look at the top ten in Texas.

458
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: It's not all like UT and A and M. When

459
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Speaker 2: you look at the top schools in Florida, I think

460
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: the top Florida schools I think have one of the

461
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: top five of the top five commits and prospects in Florida. Obviously,

462
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: California has been all over the place. The interesting thing

463
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: that I think about, too, though, is when you look

464
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: at the smaller states like Colorado, like you know, Virginia

465
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Speaker 2: or Maryland or whatever that produced good amount of talent

466
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Speaker 2: New Jersey, it almost seems like there's a vacuum that

467
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,479
Speaker 2: we're seeing, like, for instance, Oregon. Right Oregon, I think

468
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: is starting two corners from Maryland and just start signed

469
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Speaker 2: a five star offensive tackle from Maryland. How much do

470
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: you see vacuums now when in Maryland? Obviously Maryland has

471
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: been disappointing, and the Virginia schools haven't recruited all that well.

472
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Speaker 2: And you know, we've seen like Alabama hit the DMV

473
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 2: hard under Nick Saban, but their priorities have changed. Do

474
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Speaker 2: you notice more and more of these like state vacuums

475
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: of the major states and of the you know, somewhat

476
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Speaker 2: lesser states.

477
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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because there's actually kind of like

478
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: a two part answer to that.

479
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 4: Okay, One, recruiting is.

480
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: So national now that you don't need to worry about

481
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: putting a fence around your state because the game is

482
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 3: so national, the conferences are so national, the coaches are

483
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 3: so national. You know, I look at UCLA hiring Bob Chesney,

484
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: who's never been west of what Pennsylvania in his coaching career,

485
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 3: and now he's coming to UCLA. Well, they're in the

486
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: Big ten, so it makes sense he's going to be

487
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 3: you know, he's familiar with a lot more of those

488
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: Big ten states. But in the old days, a school

489
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: like a UCLA would never hire anybody that has no

490
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 3: West Coast ties. I mean, you think about the hires

491
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Speaker 3: that they've made with in Allow since Terry Donna he retired,

492
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: and Chip Kelly at least spent time at organing those

493
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: in the East Coast guy Jim Moore was from the Northwest,

494
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: but everybody else was a UCLA guy. Okay, now they're

495
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: going across the country to hire a coach because the

496
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 3: game is so national. The flip side of that is

497
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 3: one thing that Lincoln Riley really struggled with his first

498
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: couple of years at USC, and obviously this was to

499
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: the benefit of an organ is. He wanted to recruit nationally.

500
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: He wanted to recruit Florida, he wanted to recruit Georgia,

501
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: he wanted to recruit Texas and use the USC national brand.

502
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: And would get these commitments from Georgia and Florida and

503
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 3: Texas in April, but then lose them come December. Those

504
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: guys would stay home and people kept saying, why don't

505
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: you just focus on your backyard. He hires Chad Bowden,

506
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: Boden comes in, they start focusing on their backyard and

507
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: they get all those players. They end up with the

508
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 3: number one class. So you're seeing that there's still a

509
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: need to recruit locally, but at the same time, you

510
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: don't need to just focus locally. You got to recruit nationally.

511
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: And I think that's because the sport has become such

512
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: a transient game with the portal, Like where am I

513
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 3: going to go?

514
00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 4: Fit?

515
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: It's no longer about Hey, you know this place is

516
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: close to home. With my nil deal, my parents get

517
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: to go to every game. They've got four flights, two

518
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: hotel rooms, or four tickets for every game. So you know,

519
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: in the old days, you could only play if the

520
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: game was on television, otherwise they'd have to drive. Now

521
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: these parents are at every game, the families are at

522
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: every game, So you're seeing vacuums. You're seeing an emphasis

523
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 3: on local recruiting in some cases. But at the same time,

524
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: if you're only focusing locally, you're gonna you're not going

525
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: to be competitive. And you saw that with the Georgia,

526
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 3: You've seen that with Alabama. I mean, you look at

527
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: some of these teams and yes, they've got the ability

528
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: to recruit nationally, and they do, they still have a

529
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: pretty good backyard of talent. I mean, Kaylen de Bor

530
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: took a lot of grief in his first full class

531
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, because I think they had six

532
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: players from the state of California. Well, he was familiar there. Well,

533
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: then as he gets his you know, his feet under him.

534
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: They're recruiting better in state. But at the same time,

535
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: you're Alabama, You're a national brand. You can recruit California.

536
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: You can go get the best players in California and

537
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: go recruit just those kids from the state of Alabama.

538
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: How's that working out for them? So that's the whole thing.

539
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: How many times have we seen this? And I know

540
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: with Mario Crystaball, there's no state that takes more pride

541
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: outside of Texas than the state of Florida. And we

542
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: got to recruit the local kids. And you see all

543
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: the high school coaches get on Twitter and getting their

544
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: feelings that the in state schools aren't recruiting. Well, if

545
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: you're Mario, why would you just recruit the state of

546
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: Florida when you can go recruit Texas, When you can

547
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 3: go recruit California. We can recruit Georgia, and you can

548
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: recruit the Northwest and the Northeast. I mean, it's you

549
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: need to focus on your backyard. At the same time,

550
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: you better not only focus on your backyard, if that

551
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: makes any sense at all.

552
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I had a question about that, and he

553
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: kind of answered it. But I wanted to ask specifically

554
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: about West Coast kids because we've had two seasons now

555
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: with different conference maps Big ten acc obviously both expanding

556
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: all the way out to the West Coast. How does

557
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: the top talent on the West Coast feel now about

558
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: quote unquote staying home given that home means you're going

559
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: to play a road game at Rutgers your parents might

560
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: not be there. You're going to play on the road

561
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: and Charlottesville, Virginia, your parents might not be able to

562
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: get there. Is that changing the calculus at all for

563
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: schools like Oregon or whoever on the West Coast that

564
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: typically would have at least in the recent past and

565
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: much different philosophy.

566
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we're at the point now

567
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: where if you're a West Coast kid, you're looking to

568
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: go to the Big ten of the SEC no matter what.

569
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean you're looking to go to the Oregon, USC, UCLA,

570
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: Washington Big Ten. You're attracted to the Ohio State, the Michigan,

571
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: the Penn State Big Ten. You're attracted to the sec.

572
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because West Coast kids had an

573
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: easy time leading and this has been going on for

574
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: a decade. I mean, I think one of the most

575
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: kind of the biggest jolting reality was the class of

576
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty where you had three of the top four

577
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the country all from southern California and then

578
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: went to Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State, respectively. And it

579
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: worked out famously for two of those three, not so

580
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: much for the third. But the point being that those

581
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: West Coast kids have always been to leave, and now

582
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: you've got the Big Ten with four schools in your footprint,

583
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: but they're in the Big Ten. It's just as easy

584
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: for those guys to leave now because hey, i still

585
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: get to play in front of my folks twice a

586
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: year every couple of years, but I'm gonna go play

587
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: at a factory where there is more financial game. And

588
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: you know it's for Nana Mendoza. It was from Florida,

589
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: never got recruited by any of the inn state schools,

590
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: is going to Yale, ends up at cal Now he's

591
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: in Indiana and he's from Miami. So you know, Julian

592
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Saying was signed with Alabama committed and ended up at

593
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: Ohio State, and he's from California. I think that we're

594
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: now at a point where these guys just want to

595
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: play on the biggest stages. They don't care that it's

596
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: not in their backyard. They don't care that it's not local.

597
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: If I need to go down to South Florida to

598
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: go play my college ball, that's going to help my brand.

599
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to get paid, I'm going to get an

600
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: opportunity to win a national championship, get drafted high, so

601
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: be it. I'll do it. These players too. Remember this

602
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: generation of kids are doing a lot of travel seven

603
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 3: on seven, a lot of travel camps. So they're already

604
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: traveling all over the country as it is is fifteen

605
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: sixteen year olds, which makes the move. I mean, there's

606
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: a reason IMG has been so successful. They're getting kids

607
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: to leave as sophomores in high school, they go to

608
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: IMG and enroll there. So these guys are already used

609
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: to leaving their backyard, but they're doing it much earlier.

610
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: So you know, we're now at a point where if

611
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: you're a USC and you're a UCLA in Oregon and Washington,

612
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: an extent Oregon does recruit better nationally than any of

613
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: those three other schools right now, And I think it's

614
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: been that way going back to you know, probably when

615
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: when Willie Tagger first got there, and I mean they

616
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: always kind of recruited nationally. Mean, they obviously had a

617
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: lot of guys from Texas as well, but they've become

618
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: this national band. I think it was like fourteen different

619
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: states were represented in their twenty twenty five class. So

620
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 3: they recruit nationally and Oregon can't do that because they

621
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: don't have the elite talent in their state to just

622
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: focus on that. But I will give Dan Lanning this.

623
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: He does a good job of still keeping those best

624
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: players from the state of Oregon at Oregon, which his

625
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: predecessors didn't all always do. And that's the thing I

626
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: think now kids almost look, if you're staying local, are

627
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: you wearing a scarlet letter because you're playing for the

628
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: local team, especially those four Big Ten schools. If you're

629
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: an Oklahoma kid, you're a Texas kid? Are you If

630
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: you're a kid from the state of Texas and you

631
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: want to go to the SEC, is going to A

632
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: and M or Texas really a flex anymore? Or do

633
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: you need to go to a traditional SEC school to

634
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: really show your level, and I think that's kind of

635
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: the same way on the West Coast right now.

636
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: Well, with all that said, and sort of more specific

637
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: to this class, I don't want to make too much

638
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: of it, but the top three players, all of whom

639
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: are quarterbacks at least according to twenty four to seven,

640
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: went to Houston, Tennessee and Vandy, which is not typically

641
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: the top three that I would be accustomed to seeing.

642
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: And I wonder, is this any sign of parody now

643
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: with where we're at in recruiting or are we just

644
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: talking about kids in Keishawn Henderson, Jared Curtis who are

645
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: from their respective area Houston, Vanderbilt and wanted to stay

646
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: close to home. What does this tell you about where

647
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: we're at with recruiting right now.

648
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's incredible parody. I think it

649
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: now shows that. And we've heard the rummings, but Elliott

650
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: has said this for years that as soon as the

651
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Speaker 3: pay gap close, parody increased, and I think you're going

652
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Speaker 3: to continue to see that. We saw it in basketball

653
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Speaker 3: last year where ag Devants, who's not even LDS, signs

654
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Speaker 3: with BYU because of the compensation, So you're going to

655
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: see that trickle into football more and more. But it

656
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: also you know, does keisha On Henderson sign with Houston

657
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: if they're still in the American Conference? I don't know,

658
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: but there's a bigger revenue share now that Houston's in

659
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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve then there would have been in the

660
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Speaker 3: American So maybe the compensations there. Does Jared Curtis sign

661
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: with Vanderbilt if Diego pavia is having the year, isn't

662
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: having the year he's having? If Clark Lee, you know,

663
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: if Clark Lee had left, I don't think Jared Curis

664
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Speaker 3: ends up a Vanderbilt. He probably still signs with Georgia.

665
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Speaker 3: But you know, Vanderbilt showing that if you do things

666
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Speaker 3: to be competitive, you can be competitive on THEE and

667
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: you'll be able to attract recruits because you have the

668
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: academic a part of it. You've got a great location.

669
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Speaker 3: So I think you're going to see more of the

670
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: Houstons and the Vanderbilts in the top tens than in

671
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: previous years. Now, all that to be said, you keep

672
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: trickling down and you still got the LSU, the USC,

673
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: the Michigan's, the Miami's, the Notre Dames in this top tens,

674
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: the schools that you kind of expect to be there.

675
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: But we've seen it in basketball right where we've seen

676
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: the Gonzaga be competitive like they have for twenty five years,

677
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: because that's all Gonzaga had was basketball, but they were

678
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: released competitively winning recruiting battles. And I think with football

679
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: now you're going to see schools like the Texas text

680
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: of the world. They're going to win more recruiting battles

681
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: than they ever did before, and the playing fields getting

682
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: even and out a lot more.

683
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Speaker 2: How much of it is and not to say that

684
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: you know, you're the schools you mentioned, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oregon, whoever,

685
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: how much of it is the confidence when if you're

686
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: recruiting quarterback, if you're recruiting certain players, you're like, yeah,

687
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to spend that on

688
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: a quarterback who's sixteen seventeen, When maybe we just sit

689
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: and wait for the North Texas kid and he'll come

690
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: in and we've seen him play college footballer we wait

691
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: and see, like whoo, bo Nix is on the market, Oh,

692
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: you know Dylan Gabriel. Like obviously you look at the

693
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: quarterback list, for example, and there's still those huge schools,

694
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: But is there a certain amount of thinking if you

695
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: are those major places, Yeah, maybe it was just King

696
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard in two years, and that's going to be

697
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: how we approach this position because it just seems maybe

698
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: more fiscally responsible in the long term.

699
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's fascinating because I'll use USC as an

700
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: example of that. For all the success that Lincoln Riley

701
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: has had as a quarterback developer, and you know, a

702
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: guy who's turned out so many first round draft picks,

703
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: the only guy he's had from his freshman year to

704
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: the end of the end of that time the entire

705
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: time was Kayleb Williams and he had him at two

706
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: different schools. Kyler Murray was a transfer, Jalen Hurts was

707
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: a transfer obviously, Jake Mayaba is a chansfer, Baker Mayfield

708
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: is a transfer. So you know, even the best quarterback

709
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: developer in college football is still dipping into the portal

710
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: and part of it. And it's not because you know, he

711
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: didn't develop the younger guys. It's now those younger guys

712
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: don't want to wait. And I remember seeing this back

713
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: in the old day. Barton Simmons, who's now the general

714
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: manager at Vanderbilt, used to say this when we were

715
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: at twenty four seven. People would give these quarterbacks because

716
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: remember in the old days, quarterbacks were the only ones

717
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: that transfer.

718
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Speaker 4: If you were a.

719
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: Backup, then you got beat out by somebody older and

720
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: you had to wait. You were going to transfer because

721
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: you wanted to get on the field. And they say, oh,

722
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: he's afraid to compete. No, that's the problem. He's not

723
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: afraid to compete. He wants to compete and he wants

724
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: to be a starter. So he's going to go somewhere

725
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: where he has the opportunity to start. Now, if you

726
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: become a guy who sat in the back for two

727
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: three years, you haven't been able to play, you have

728
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: no value, you have no draw. So that's why you're

729
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: seeing quarterbacks leave early. You better be very confident in

730
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: your coach's ability and as if you're that head coach,

731
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: you better be very confident in your own ability to

732
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: develop and be able to keep that kid patient, like

733
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: Sark has been able to to do two Sark's credit,

734
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: he's been able to do that with Arch. And you know, again,

735
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: Quinnyewerys had his ear in the wilderness, but then he

736
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: came back to Texas. Sark has kind of shown that

737
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: he's the one guy that will stick with the homegrown guy. Obviously,

738
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: you know Ryan Day had c J. Stroud, KB McCord,

739
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily move the needle. They lose him and they

740
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: win a national championship. Julian saying, again, I'm giving Julian

741
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: san kind of Ohio state credit, even though he did

742
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: sun in Alabama. But sure, the Julian sayans, the c J. Strouds,

743
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: the arch they're kind of unicorns. It's more often than

744
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: not now going to be the Fernando Mendoza's, the Diego Pavias,

745
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: the guys that went somewhere else and just needed the

746
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: cam Wards that just needed a better cast of characters

747
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: around them to be better. And if I'm a coach

748
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: and I do have this young guy, but this is

749
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: a make or break here. If I can get that

750
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: elite quarterback, and he's the difference between us going eleven

751
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: and one, twelve and OHO or nine to three and

752
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: playing in you know, a regular New Year's stable, I

753
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: will sacrifice that two years of development with that quarterback

754
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: to go all all in for next year. So to

755
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: answer the original question, I don't know that there is

756
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: the value in paying a lot of that money to

757
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: an incoming high schooler unless you are confident as hell

758
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: that he's going to come in and either start a

759
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: the true freshman at the latest of the retro freshman,

760
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: and you can develop him and give him weapons around

761
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: him that will make that investment worthwhile because otherwise, go

762
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: take a backup he's probably going to transfer anyway, and

763
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: save that money for a bigger name quarterback in a

764
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: year from now.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And also it probably makes it easier to say,

766
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: like we love him, but we're not going over like

767
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: one point one right, that you can set that like

768
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: hard cap on, like what you feel like a quarterback

769
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: is worth it almost, by the way, makes your job

770
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: not obsolete. But like when you talk about like, hey,

771
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: this is how I feel about you know, taking Brandon

772
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: Faison or Jared Curtis or something like that, like this

773
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: is how I feel about him now, but it kind

774
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: of doesn't matter because he's only He's not going to

775
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: be evaluated necessarily on how he is as a high

776
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: school quarterback or a high school prospect. But really, when

777
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: you look at like when We talked about the class

778
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: with Dante More and Nico and Jaden Rashata and Arch

779
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: like most of these guys, most of these blue chip

780
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: guys are gone from where they were initially and in

781
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: the long term, how they're viewed as high school prospects

782
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: like doesn't matter at all, right.

783
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: Right, And you know, it's funny because one guy that

784
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention is Gunner Stockton, who Georgia for

785
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: as elital level as they have recruited, you know, their

786
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 3: quarterback recruiting hasn't always been like the elite five star

787
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: guy like a Jared Curtis. Remember they did have Delan

788
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: Raello committed at one point, but it's been more than

789
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: Gunner Stocktons. The Carson Becks that weren't that top end guy,

790
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: but a guy that was willing to wait obviously, said

791
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: sym Bed it was. You know, he was much traveled.

792
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: But you know, Georgia has kind of shown the remedy like, hey,

793
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: if you get a kid, get a local kid who's

794
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 3: bought into this program and turn them loose. But you know,

795
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: if you go back to kind of those other schools

796
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: and you go back to what the investment is, I mean,

797
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: it's why you're seeing And I think Arizona State's a

798
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: great example of that. When the rumor started up a

799
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago that Sam Levitt was willing to leave,

800
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: you didn't see Kenny Dillingham go on a full on

801
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: crusade to say, no, stay here, we need you. Where

802
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: the difference is kind of like, hey, you know, we

803
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: wish them all the best. We think it for all

804
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: the success. Because now if I'm in ASU, I and

805
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: I you know, as he's sitting there jostling and posturing

806
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: to get more, but you know, more resources now to

807
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: stay at ASU, and I don't have the full twenty

808
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: million in revenue sharing, I only have fifteen million. Is

809
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: it really smart to put twenty percent of my revenue

810
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: into one quarterback when I need help on the offensive

811
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: line and I need help at the receiver position. So

812
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: you're going to see some schools kind of go with.

813
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: A moneyball, right, totally.

814
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to. You can't overpay for a corporate Now,

815
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: if you're a school that's the bluest of blue bloods

816
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 3: and you have everything but a quarterback, then sure you'll

817
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: go pay double digit x amount of you know, eight

818
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: digits for a quarterback, but most schools are going to

819
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: be able. Hey, if we have five million of extra

820
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: money to play with, let's not put all five million

821
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: in a quarterback. Let's put two and a half million

822
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: in a quarterback, a million to a receiver, a million

823
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: toial left tackle, five hundred grand to a corner. Now

824
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: we still have the same competitive.

825
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 2: Chance, right, and say, like, can we approximate eighty percent

826
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: of Sam Levitt's production with like Hassan long Street?

827
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: Right?

828
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: A usc back up with what seems to be a

829
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: good pedigree. It seems like that's where things, I guess

830
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: have been now.

831
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure Fernando Mendoza is getting a good

832
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: chunk of money to go to in totally, especially when

833
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: Miami was in play and he's a Miami kid. But

834
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Speaker 3: I also think Indiana has done a tremendous job the

835
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: last two years of balancing their books right so that

836
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: they're not overpaying for a big name superstar. I mean,

837
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 3: the remember is Dan, you and I are packed twelve guys.

838
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: We watched Fernando Mendoza for a couple of years at

839
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: cal I remember being at the game. I covered the

840
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 3: cal usc game.

841
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: They dropped like fifty on sc Yeah.

842
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 3: Yes, and they lost on a miss two point conversion.

843
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 3: But you saw two Heisman Trophy winners and two potential

844
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: number one draft picks in Kayleb Williams and Fernando Mendoza.

845
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams was every bit the penny that he was worth.

846
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: But if you would have told me two years ago

847
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: that hey, you're watching the guy's going to with a

848
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: heismand in two years, by the way, he's gonna do it.

849
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: Indian who, by the way, is going to be undefeated,

850
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: the Big Ten champion, by the.

851
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: Way, is going to the Rose Bowl.

852
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: Who, by the way, one of the last two times ever,

853
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: I would have been like, dude, what is going on.

854
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: I know we're in Berkeley and weird things happen, but

855
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: that's beyond the realm of possibility. But that's the thing

856
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: you for every cam Ward, what was the return on

857
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: the cam Ward investment for Miami? They didn't make the playoff? Yeah,

858
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: they got the number one pick, but they didn't make

859
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: the playoff. You're almost better off making a wider investment

860
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: on more players than just going all in on one

861
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 3: year in and year out, rather than unless you have

862
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: that one year, we're like, this is the make or

863
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: break here. If I'm Ohio State and I've got this

864
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one class that we just need a quarterback

865
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: to get us across the line, We'll go get Will Howard,

866
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: We'll get Quinshaw Junkiss to go with Treyvon Henderson. Those

867
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: two guys make the difference. You put all your chips in. Yes,

868
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: otherwise I think you're going to see more schools kind

869
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: of do the moneyball approach fair enough?

870
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: I okay, there's a number that I saw, and it's

871
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: forty nine. I don't know if forty nine means anything

872
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: to you immediate when you think about the class of

873
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, it is the number of commits and

874
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: signees that Rich Rodriguez signed at West Virginia, pushing fifty signings.

875
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: I just want to know, how, why, what? What will

876
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: happen like forty nine incoming freshmen? What was your reaction

877
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: as this class was developing? You know, obviously this is

878
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: a different part of the world that you're used to.

879
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: But when you see this new reality and you know

880
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: usc you've mentioned their class, I think it's something like

881
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: thirty five commitments something like that, Like these are just

882
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: numbers we haven't seen before. When you see those numbers,

883
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: where does your brain go.

884
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: Well, it goes, So this is where we're at because

885
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: what we forget to account for is that forty five

886
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: guys went into the portal as soon as rich Frod

887
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: got there. Remember he got hired after signing date. Neil

888
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: Brown was fired after signing day, so he gets their

889
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: probably looks at this class that these guys can't play

890
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve, so I'm going to run them

891
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: all out. Well, you got to replace those bodies. And

892
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: now that there's no longer the twenty five to twenty

893
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: eight scholarship cab, you just got to be under that

894
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: eighty five cap. You could sign forty nine guys. I

895
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 3: mean he used to be reserved for the Army, Air Force,

896
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: and navies of the world to bring in fifty guys

897
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: each year. Someone would go to the prep academy before

898
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: they got there. But now when you see forty nine

899
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: guys in the class, it's not super striking because forty

900
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: nine guys just left. The more faceting number will be

901
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: of those forty nine, how many make it to year

902
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: two at West Virginia, Like, are you signing playable talent

903
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: or are you signing death At this point, you're trying

904
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: to have eighty five bodies. But of those eighty five,

905
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: by I mean, I remember sitting with Chris Peterson back

906
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: in twenty and fifteen, twenty sixteen when he was at Washington,

907
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: and you know him saying that, like, if we can

908
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: hit on sixty percent of our class, we're going to

909
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: be pretty happy with the results. Now, if you sign

910
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: forty nine guys, that would mean twenty five of those

911
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: guys are playing. If you can even retain twenty five

912
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 3: of those guys, that's a victory and self let alone

913
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: if they can even play. But now you know, the

914
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: days of there being two quarterbacks in the class, those

915
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: are few in far between, because you'll know very quickly

916
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: if I'm third on the depth tart, he's fourth on

917
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: the depth chart, I've got a better chance of being

918
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: the guy that fourth. The guy who's now fourth on

919
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: the depth trot, the king of the same class he's gone.

920
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: So with forty nine players that you're signing, yeah, you're

921
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: you're filling your body. But now you've got forty nine

922
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: true freshman on an eighty five man power four roster

923
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. Is that going to be competitive?

924
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: Is that going to win you games? Or are you

925
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: playing for twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine at that point, I'm.

926
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: Looking right now at your top ten out at twenty

927
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: four to seven sports dot com. USC, Alabama, Oregon, Notre Dame,

928
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: and Georgia are your top five. To round out the

929
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: top ten, it's Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas, A and

930
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: m Miami. A lot of the usual suspects. I don't

931
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: really care about the top classes, Brandon. What I care

932
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: about is which schools, which programs, did the best job

933
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: getting exactly what they need. It's easy, I think, to

934
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: stack stars on top of stars to get a high,

935
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: highly rated recruiting class. I shouldn't say it's not that easy,

936
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: but certainly if you're one of the blue bloods, it's

937
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: a little bit easier. Who did the best job to

938
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: go out and get exactly what they need to take

939
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: the next step out on the field.

940
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: I maybe show my my West Coast bias here, but

941
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: I think Oregon and USC both did that. They got

942
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: players at positions in need, They got players at premium positions.

943
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: See going getting to Keny Peppe. You know, one of

944
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: the best offensive linement in the country, you know, getting

945
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: key players at key positions that are high school guys

946
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: rather than having to go, you know and wait for

947
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: guys that are at another school that you're gonna have.

948
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: To overpay for.

949
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: I think that Oregon USC both did probably the best

950
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: job of filling needs they you know, Oregon, I think

951
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: did it a little better because Oregon's class, I believe

952
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: it was the second highest class in terms of average

953
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: star rating per player. So while it didn't have the

954
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: amount of players signed that a USC did, Oregon was

955
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: very particular and very picky about who they took. Now,

956
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: there was a couple of players here and there that

957
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: Oregon lost, you know, to USC, that would have made

958
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: their class even better. A couple of guys from southern

959
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: calif point that's stuck. But I think both Oregon and

960
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: USC have did a really good job. And I think,

961
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, in Ohio State holding on to Chris Henry

962
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: when it looked like you might lose him, you know

963
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: that that was a victory in itself, especially when Kayden

964
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: Dixon Wyatt left two days before to stay home and

965
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: go to USC. I think, you know, there's a reason

966
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: in US. He still hasn't got to the playoff under Lincoln, right,

967
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: But if you look at those other schools that are

968
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: in the top ten everyone, shoot, you go to the

969
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: top twelve that I'm going through, the top thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

970
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 3: I mean every one of the top fifteen. The only

971
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: school in the top fifteen that hasn't been in the

972
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: playoffs is USC. All right, But obviously USC does have

973
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: advantage that all these kids are still going to be

974
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: the next Reggie Bush. Just ask them, even though Reggie

975
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: Bush stop playing college football twenty years ago. The point

976
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: being that if you look at the teams that are

977
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 3: consistently playing in the playoffs or competing, they're the teams

978
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: that are still recruiting at a high level.

979
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: And it goes back to.

980
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: Budd Elliott's blue chip rankings and you know the blue

981
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: chip ratio. So I think you know those schools, and

982
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: what I don't think people give enough credit to those

983
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: kind of schools for their consistency in recruiting at such

984
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: a high level, knowing that players are going there, and

985
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: you may commit to a school and there's a log

986
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: jam at your position. Now, nobody did it better than

987
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: Alabama did back in the twenty teens. I remember when

988
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: Rashaun Evans was coming out, he was the number numbered

989
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: three player in the country. He was finalists for UCLA

990
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: Auburn and UCLA UCLA Auburn in Alabama. His dad played

991
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: it at Auburn. Ucla is told you'll be the next

992
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: Anthony Barr and Nick Saban basically said you can come here.

993
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: It'll probably three years before you see the field, maybe

994
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: four years, because we've got five guys just like you.

995
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: The number three player in the country. He goes to Alabama,

996
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: doesn't start regularly till the end of his junior year,

997
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: becomes a first round draft pick. Schools like the Ohio States,

998
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: the Alabama's, the Georgia's, the Organs that can consistently recruit

999
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 3: at a high level and do it each year knowing

1000
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: that there's a log jam at a lot of those positions,

1001
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 3: and yet still convinced guys to come there that there's

1002
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: something to be said about that they're not one year

1003
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: flashed in the pans. I mean, remember, we did have

1004
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: that one Texas A and M class two years ago

1005
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: or three years ago where they signed everybody and then

1006
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: like none of those guys stuck with it. They were

1007
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: kind of an outlier. We had the old MIS class,

1008
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: the famous Hugh Freese ol Mis class. That was kind

1009
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: of the outlier. You know, when you have the consistency

1010
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: of these schools due of signing these players, developing these players,

1011
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: and even if they lose these players, they are able

1012
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: to backfill those positions. You know. I think you see

1013
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: why they're consistently taught programs Brandon.

1014
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Whether it's due to let's say, coaching, turnover, mismanagement, bad philosophy,

1015
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: take your pick. Are there any recruiting operations that you

1016
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: look at now based on what we saw during the

1017
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: early signing period and you're like, yeah, that's on life

1018
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: support over there at school X.

1019
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: There are schools like that that you kind of wonder

1020
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: what were they doing. You're seeing it more in the

1021
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: portal though. You're seeing it more with the portal where

1022
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: now because the portal's more expensive, you're throwing more money

1023
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: at players in the portal, and you're like, that's the

1024
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: guy you're giving that amount of money too. So you're

1025
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: now seeing what schools that kind of did have those

1026
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: life supports, they're now understanding, Shoot, we've got to be competitive,

1027
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, going back to the Stanford

1028
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: and cal analogy, it was a they were the two

1029
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: that went with a general manager overseeing football. They're the

1030
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: ones that are making the decision on who's going to

1031
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 3: be recruited, who's going to be offered, because now they're

1032
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: in a completely different part of the country from a

1033
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: conference standpoint, they are, you know, in a completely different

1034
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: situation than they were comfortably in the PAC twelve that

1035
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: they changed their entire approach. Stanford is, you know, now

1036
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: taking some transfers in. They're doing a little bit more

1037
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: with nil, They're doing things that you would have never

1038
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: thought transferred. I think it's an easy one to say,

1039
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: but I still think with you know, Clemson has got

1040
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: to modernize, and I think that we saw some hints

1041
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: that maybe it was changing, and maybe they didn't change,

1042
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: but it's either evolved or get left behind. And I

1043
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: think we're starting to see that now where a duke

1044
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: in of Virginia are playing in the a SEC Championship game.

1045
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 3: You know, where if you're clemsing, you can no longer

1046
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: rely on what you did in twenty eighteen anymore. That

1047
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: is an eternity ago into this modern era of recruits,

1048
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: and so if you're not modernizing, nobody cares about the

1049
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: slide in the locker room. If you're not winning, okay,

1050
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: you've got to win. You've got to be taking care

1051
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: of these players. You've got to be compensating. And if

1052
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: you don't change that approach, then it might be time

1053
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: to find a new coach. Might be fine to find

1054
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 3: a new philosophy in doing it. But I think that

1055
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: there were certainly some schools that you kind of look

1056
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: at and you're like, what are you doing? And it

1057
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: got remedied in the off season with coaching changes.

1058
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: I want to take the flip side to that very

1059
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: mean question, Ty, it's such a mean dude.

1060
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: What he knows? Just people want to know. People want

1061
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: to know, and I understand why Brandon doesn't necessarily want

1062
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: to answer that he's a good job answering.

1063
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 4: I know an on the other sip from Clemson, So yeah,

1064
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: it's okay.

1065
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: What I want to know is because we do see

1066
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: results get dramatically better for a number of teams every year. Right,

1067
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: we saw how much Virginia invested, for instance, in the

1068
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: portal last year. Obviously we've seen what Texas Texas Tech

1069
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: has done in terms of its aggression successfully even like

1070
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: this year with Arizona, right that Jedfish did a good

1071
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: job recruiting in Tucson and laid the groundwork for that roster,

1072
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: and they brought in a bunch of transfers and new

1073
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: coaches and everything like that. I wonder if you look

1074
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: at the last year or even this year's class, and

1075
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: it's impossible to know, obviously with high school players, but

1076
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: when you look at what whatever team has done, is

1077
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: there a team that you're like, they're not good right now?

1078
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: I really like the groundwork that's being laid, and I

1079
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: really like their aggression, be it you know, high school, portal, whatever,

1080
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 2: where you're like, there's interesting things happening to that roster,

1081
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: and maybe not this year, but in the coming two

1082
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: three years, they're kind of interesting.

1083
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: I think, no question, Virginia Tech, and you know, at

1084
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 3: the expense of Penn State, Virginia Tech is that program

1085
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: that we know that James Franklin kind of track talent.

1086
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: We know that he can win ten games a year,

1087
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: we know that he can be competitive. And that's in

1088
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: a conference where you had two ginormous programs in Ohio

1089
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: State and Michigan. Even before Oregon got there, you had

1090
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Michigan. He was still competitive in the Big Ten.

1091
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 3: Now what's he going to do in the ACC where

1092
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: it's like Florist State can't seem to get out of

1093
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: their own way. You're not entirely sure what Clemson's doing

1094
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: in the year of our lower twenty twenty five and

1095
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: Miami it's always one or two game time decisions or

1096
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: you know, game decisions away from being eight and four

1097
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: or twelve and oh, there is the perfect inrow there

1098
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: for Virginia Tech in twenty twenty six to be competitive.

1099
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: But really twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, I don't

1100
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: think it'll be the long slow burn like it was

1101
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: a Virginia And by slow burn, I mean it was

1102
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: what year three for Tony Elliott at Virginia when things

1103
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: finally turn around. But we're now in an era two

1104
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 3: where Tony Elliott might get a little bit of gray,

1105
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: and that doesn't even take into account what he went

1106
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 3: through that first year with the tragedy that happened at Virginia.

1107
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 3: Just from an on the field standpoint, we have seen

1108
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 3: Deshan Foster get fired after fifteen games We saw Trent

1109
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: Bray get fired after eighteen games, and that was at

1110
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: their alma maters. Okay, we saw that. You know, coaches

1111
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: are no longer making it past year two anymore. Brian Harson,

1112
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't think made it past year two when he

1113
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: was at Auburn. You're seeing less patience and more willingness

1114
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: to pull the trigger quickly and make a coaching change.

1115
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: So are we even going to see situations like Virginia

1116
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: anymore where they're gonna let it kind of percolay for

1117
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: a couple of years before you finally have that breakthrough season.

1118
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: Or is every school now expecting a Kirk Signetty type

1119
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: of rejuvenation in year one? Everybody thinks, now we need

1120
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: to be able to do what Indiana has done in

1121
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: two years. No, I don't think that's possible. I think

1122
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 3: that might be more of a unicorn. I mean, shoot,

1123
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: it took Joey Maguire five years to really get Texas

1124
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 3: Tech cook him, and he was recruiting at a pretty

1125
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: high level. But our school's going to be patient enough,

1126
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 3: and I think Virginia Tech has been through the wilderness

1127
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: enough over the last decade that they will be patient enough.

1128
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: But I don't think they need to be too patient

1129
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: because I think that conference is in a position and

1130
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech's in a position in that conference where they can,

1131
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: with a couple of good off season portal maneuvers, can

1132
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: be very competitive in that conference pretty quickly. So that's

1133
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: the one that I would say put up in there.

1134
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 3: And it's large because we know the kind of recruiting

1135
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: that James Franklin can do, but now he can do

1136
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: it in a much more attainable conference.

1137
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: He got me feeling bad now, Dan that I asked

1138
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: him a mean question. You shouldn't feel bad. You're a

1139
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: journalist here. Let me I'm not a journalist.

1140
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: Let me.

1141
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: Let me go in a different direction, Brandon, Who are

1142
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: your pet players from this most recent class? Who do

1143
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: you like? Who would you go to bat for? Who

1144
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: would you want on your team if you were a

1145
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: GM out there right now?

1146
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a It's an easy one to say,

1147
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: because you know he is the best, in my opinion,

1148
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 3: the best player in this class.

1149
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 4: It's Keishaan Henderson.

1150
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: Just watching the way he carries himself, watching the way

1151
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 3: he plays when he came to the All American Bowl

1152
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 3: last year. Last year was the first year they brought

1153
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: underclass from to the All American Ball they named the

1154
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: All American Ball in San Antonio. He was the MVP

1155
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: there and you could just see that he had this

1156
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: confidence in himself.

1157
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: And the talent was there too.

1158
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 3: But I think that he is the kind of dynamic

1159
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: player that takes Houston from Hey there. You know, it's

1160
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: a cute season they had under Willie Fritz two this

1161
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: team could very much be a Big twelve contender each

1162
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: year that he's behind center. So that's kind of an

1163
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: easy one.

1164
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: But you know, let alone what he's going to do

1165
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: at Ohio State in three years.

1166
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean how.

1167
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: Many times did we see the first month of the season. Oh,

1168
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 3: you know, future Miami quarterback Jaron Cabeselli have a great game.

1169
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: There's always that.

1170
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: But there's also for Tita money in Houston, so I

1171
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: don't know that's that much of a possibility. But you know,

1172
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: if I'm going to go with a couple of guys

1173
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: that I think have a chance to be very special,

1174
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: and you know, Zion Eely, whether he sticks with Maryland

1175
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 3: after year one, this guy is flat out incredible. I

1176
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: watched him at the Paul Anesian Bowl last year as

1177
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: a junior, he was phenomenal the entire week. And I

1178
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: am a big fan of elite explosive edge rushers like

1179
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: that that can absolutely disrupt an offense, and I think

1180
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: that he has that chance. Now. You know, mikel Loxi

1181
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: has another year, Lake Washington's coming back. I mean, Maryland

1182
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: might be in showing mode for MIKELXI, but a guy

1183
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: like Zion Eely is the kind of guy that could

1184
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 3: save a job.

1185
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 4: There's you know, some jadeveon clowney to.

1186
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: His game, just that explosiveness that he could be a

1187
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: true kind of program changer of Dylan Stewart at South

1188
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: Carolina type, where Zion Eally is that guy that I

1189
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: think is, you know, the one we're going to be

1190
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 3: talking about a ton next year, largely because Mike Glosi

1191
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: has to play him from a stance of like you

1192
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: got this player held on to him, you got to

1193
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: get him on the field. Now. The only downside of

1194
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 3: Zion Eey is he doesn't play offense, and Maryland still

1195
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: is going to have to find a way to score points.

1196
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: But he's going to be a guy that I think

1197
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: is going to get turned loose and really be utilized

1198
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: in you know, a way that he can become a

1199
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: household name even though he's playing defense in a very

1200
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 3: offense driven sport. So those are probably two of the guys.

1201
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 4: But I think go on the long.

1202
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 3: Term here, and I'm not doing this just to play

1203
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: kay Danny or I love t Daron Ball, you know,

1204
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: I think he's one.

1205
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 4: Of those guys.

1206
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: In one thing we've seen with the organ is they

1207
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: do a really good job of distributing the carries at

1208
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 3: the running back position, and it seems like one guy

1209
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 3: goes down, one guy gets injured, the next guy comes in.

1210
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: I mean Jordan Davison. Literally, I remember seeing this kid

1211
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: in seventh grade and you kind of forget about him

1212
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 3: because he's at modern day. You know, there's this glut

1213
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: of running back. He comes back and completely changes his

1214
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: body and he looks awesome as a freshman, and you know,

1215
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 3: they're just they do a really good job of their

1216
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: running backs. And so he's that guy that I think

1217
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: he's not a top fifty player, but when we're talking

1218
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: future freshman All American next year.

1219
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 4: He won't be the guy.

1220
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: Jordan Davison'll be the guy. But this is the guy

1221
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: that comes in and gets you six hundred fifty seven

1222
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: hundred yards here, and then he becomes your feature back

1223
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight. So that's one name to kind

1224
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: of put a pin on too that maybe is in

1225
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: the household name of a zion E. Leap of Akeishan Henderson,

1226
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: but a guy that I think is going to be

1227
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: a very big impact player in college.

1228
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: I have three programs specifically that I want to ask

1229
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: you about. They're not schools that finished in the top ten,

1230
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: just the side of that shut Lehigh's class look like. Yeah,

1231
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Lehigh on a separate episode. Washington, Florida State,

1232
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Three schools that are interesting for a variety

1233
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: of reasons, most of them different from one another. But

1234
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: Washington as of now stilgitfish who knows there's time, Florida

1235
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: State with Mike Norvel obviously on the clock to try

1236
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: and turn that around. And North Carolina, which is nothing

1237
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: if not interesting now that Bill Belichick is in town.

1238
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am very intrigued by North Carolina. Obviously, you

1239
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: know is Bill Belichick and the coach these guys he's

1240
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: bringing in for more than three years. But not unlike

1241
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: West Virginia, they have a large amount of talent that

1242
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: they're bringing in. They're bringing in nearly forty guys. So

1243
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: those are players that Michael Bardi and Bill Belichick said, hey,

1244
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: we're bringing you in and you need to be ready

1245
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: to compete. And I think that those guys are going

1246
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: to get on the field early. They are going to

1247
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: be a pretty young team, but there's some talent there obviously.

1248
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: You know, bringing in a quarterback like a Travis Burgess,

1249
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna bring him in with the hope that he

1250
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: can come in and be a guy for you and

1251
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: maybe you go with the youth movement. We obviously have

1252
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 3: seen Bill Belichick, you know, never be having a version

1253
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: to playing young quarterbacks and going with a younger model,

1254
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 3: So it would be surprised if he goes that route.

1255
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: Ty, come on, stay current.

1256
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: But but I thank you, thank you.

1257
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: I think with North Carolina, though, they they've got to,

1258
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: you know, have hit on all those guys because the

1259
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: portal clearly didn't work for them, and they better evaluated

1260
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 3: these guys, but they got to develop them. Florida State,

1261
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: you know, it was two years ago that they were

1262
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: undefeated in the regular season, so you you know, you

1263
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: expect them to recruit at a high level. But when

1264
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: Miami seems to be doing a much more aggressive job,

1265
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: and then you know there's all the talk about Mike Norvell.

1266
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: Is he going to survive this? Is he going to

1267
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: do it? They're recruiting coming off the two inten season

1268
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: was actually better than you would have expected, but they

1269
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: still aren't winning the key recruiting battles like they did

1270
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: in the old days under jimbo Fisher and like they

1271
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: did under Bobby Bowden. And I think that you know

1272
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: what Florida State needs to do right now is they

1273
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: need to make sure that they hit on the portal,

1274
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: because as great as the portal was for them in

1275
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three season, it was a disaster for

1276
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: them in twenty twenty four, and it wasn't that great

1277
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, So they can't afford to play

1278
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: young talent. I think North Carolina's got a little bit

1279
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: more flexibility with playing some of the youth there, but

1280
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: Florida State they've got to win right now, which means

1281
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 3: that I think of those three, Washington did the most

1282
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: impressive job because for them to have a top twelve

1283
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 3: class and really not have a huge amount of talent

1284
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: in their backyard, not like that you know, the state

1285
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: of Washington did in the late twenty tens, when you

1286
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: know you have the JT two Molobiles and the MKA

1287
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: bucaz Ghoset type. I really like what Washington did in

1288
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: this class. And it wasn't just with West Coast kids.

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00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they go down and they get a kid

1290
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: like Jordan Clay who's been committed to Baylor for some time,

1291
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: a top one hundred kid, they get him. Mason James

1292
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: out of Oklahoma, out of Norman, they go and get him.

1293
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: You know, Washington is now showing that they're quarterbacks from

1294
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: the East coast. I think he's from New Jersey. I mean,

1295
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: Washington for so many years, and I've said it on

1296
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: the show, there's not a fan base that wants the

1297
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 3: local kids to stay home more than Washington and takes

1298
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: it more personally when a local kid doesn't stay home.

1299
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Speaker 3: But Washington always seemed to want to just recruit the

1300
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: West Coast. Now they're expanding with you know, Jedfish, They're

1301
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 3: having experience all across the country. He's director of recruiting,

1302
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: Marcus Griffin, all those assistant coaches that have been all

1303
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: around the country. They're recruiting more nationally, and so seeing

1304
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: Washington be a number twelve class, This is what happens

1305
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: when you have a full year. Remember when that coaching

1306
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: change happened at Washington, it was in mid January, and

1307
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: so he lost a lot of those players. And nowadays,

1308
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: if you are hired in January, you still have eleven

1309
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: months till signing day, but you're six months, seven months behind.

1310
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: That attention had already been turned to the twenty twenty

1311
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: five class by the previous watching Washington coaches by in August,

1312
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: jeded Fish goes there, tries to salvage roster.

1313
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: So now you're seeing what he can do.

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Speaker 3: He did it with his class of twenty twenty five

1315
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: after he had been there, but now the twenty twenty

1316
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: six class you're really seeing. And if you look at

1317
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 3: his two best classes at Arizona, it was after he

1318
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: had his feet under him, and that was the te

1319
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: Map class. That was the Noah Fafide and you know

1320
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Speaker 3: a lot of those players followed him to Washington, the

1321
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Speaker 3: Defusion Price Socks, the Jonah Colemans. I really like what

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Speaker 3: Washington did in this class, and I think that you know,

1323
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: if you look at it again, two years ago, they

1324
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: played for a national championship, and they recruited really well

1325
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: under Chris Peterson, did not recruit really well at all

1326
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: under Jimmy Lake, and it was tempied under kailn to Board.

1327
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: But Jed Fish is getting him back and there has

1328
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: been a huge focus on recruiting homegrown talent. So of

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Speaker 3: those three, I'm the most intrigued by Washington, and I

1330
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: think that they've got a lot of players there. Cody Green,

1331
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: who was committed to Oregon modern day aligneman, but he's

1332
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: from Seattle originally. I would be shocked if he's not

1333
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: starting on the offensive line for University Washington when they

1334
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: opened the season next year. They've got some key players

1335
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 3: that they had a freshman All American on the offensive

1336
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: line this year, and that means you're doing a good

1337
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: job of developing and getting those players into the position.

1338
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Speaker 3: I think that you know, Washington has a couple of

1339
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: guys in this class that they were a pretty young team. Yeah,

1340
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna lose Denzel Boston, they lose a couple of

1341
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: other guys, but I really like the youth of this

1342
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: team and I think that they can really compete for

1343
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: a playoff spot, assuming DeMont Williams is back and Jetfish

1344
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: doesn't go somewhere else.

1345
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Speaker 2: It seems that and it's my opinion that we're kind

1346
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: of in a holding pattern right now because of Michigan

1347
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: has a top twelve class at the moment, and they

1348
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: don't have a signed head coach at the moment, and

1349
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: so it seems like we are due for dominoes. We

1350
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: just had Bruce Feldman on and he said he always anticipates,

1351
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, the carousel to keep spinning no matter what.

1352
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: Washing Excuse me, Michigan has a top whatever twelve ish

1353
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: class right now that I think they have the number

1354
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: one edge rusher, the number one running back in this class,

1355
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: and you have a roster with a ton of talent,

1356
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: and then you could see dominoes based on who takes

1357
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: that Michigan job. A lot of big names that a

1358
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: lot of big schools. Do you anticipate from your end

1359
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: of things, from your side of things, for things to

1360
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: get particularly hairy in these next three weeks in the

1361
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: recruiting world potentially.

1362
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Speaker 3: But I will give Michigan this that they did recruit

1363
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: really well and to the point that they've only lost

1364
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 3: two commitments. Two guys that sign in the last week

1365
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: since Sharron Morton. I remember, they don't have to wait

1366
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: like the portal until January. Second, they don't have to

1367
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: wait for the five days after a new coach is

1368
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: hired to put their names in the portal. Those guys

1369
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 3: can ask out of their letter asap, and only two

1370
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Speaker 3: of those have done that, and only one was a

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01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: top two pour to seven guy. Matt Love with the

1372
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: tight end out of Montana, who was leaning heavily two

1373
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: tests As Tech for the majority of his recruitment, ultimately

1374
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 3: signed with Michigan. He ended up signing with Texas Tech

1375
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 3: last week. But I think given all the term will,

1376
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: all the stuff that's gone on in the last week,

1377
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: for Michigan to only lose really one impact player and

1378
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 3: only two guys total, and now you could potentially bring

1379
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: in a Kalendabre or a Kenny Dillingham or any other

1380
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: coach that's being linked there, I think that that's pretty impressive.

1381
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Speaker 3: But that goes back to what I said at the

1382
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 3: very beginning of the show. A lot of times guys

1383
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: are still signing for other reasons than just the football

1384
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: part of it. And hey, let me at least see

1385
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 3: through streme practice to see if I'm a good fit

1386
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,959
Speaker 3: for this coach and if I'm a good for this scheme.

1387
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: Or that's when the coach gets there, he may see, hey,

1388
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 3: we don't want big athletic tight ends, we want small,

1389
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: unathletic tight ends. Or we want you know, bigger linemen

1390
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 3: that can't move around, but they're massive. They may fit

1391
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: differently schematically.

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Speaker 1: I think.

1393
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 3: Given the way rosters are and that you can quickly

1394
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 3: fix with the portal, a lot of it will be

1395
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 3: will really shake out for Michigan in that January second

1396
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: to the sixteenth window because by then you should have

1397
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: a coach in place.

1398
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 4: You'll know where you have your knees. And if you're a.

1399
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: Player who may have been told by Shroanmore, hey you're

1400
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: gonna come in and play as a freshman because we

1401
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: have a need there. Well, now this new coach comes

1402
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: in and brings four guys at the position. Now you're

1403
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 3: not going to be on that quicker path to playing time.

1404
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: So now it might be the time to league. But

1405
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: remember a lot of these guys are moving on a

1406
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 3: campus like in the next week to ten days too,

1407
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 3: so you kind of got to move a little bit

1408
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 3: quicker if you're Michigan, and we may have more clarity

1409
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: by Friday night or Saturday.

1410
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: By the way, Similarly, LSU, I think actually leads the

1411
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: nation in average recruit rating right now in a smaller class.

1412
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: What do you expect from there? As Lane Kiffin tries

1413
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: to both keep this class together and solidify more in

1414
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: the next whatever month and a half.

1415
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 3: I think the Portal king is going to be the

1416
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: King of the Portal come January. He is going to

1417
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 3: enhance that class and enhance that roster in the month

1418
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 3: of January. But I think we are people forget Lane

1419
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 3: Kiffin had the number one class in the country in

1420
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen despite having limited scholarships because he inherited the

1421
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll mess and he had the number one class

1422
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 3: in the country. Back in twenty thirteen, Jalen Ramsey was committed,

1423
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 3: any Vanderdos was committed. They had so many elite players

1424
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: and then the season fell apart. But he was recruiting

1425
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: to usc with sanctions with fewers scholarships. Okay, now it

1426
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like there's any real sanctions anymore, not that

1427
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 3: it really matters, because Lane is now going to be

1428
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: able to recruit at a very high level. Lamar Brown

1429
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 3: is greeting him at LSU when he gets there. I think,

1430
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 3: if we are going to really talk about, what's the

1431
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 3: school that you know, besides the Virginia Tech who isn't good,

1432
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 3: LSU has been fine. They just you know, had a

1433
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 3: Kosha couldn't get out of his own way. LSU is

1434
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: going to be a top three to five recruiting class

1435
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 3: I think every year as long as Lane's there because

1436
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: he won't have to rely on the portal as heavily.

1437
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: And LSU is still a brand name. It's still a

1438
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: hot name. I mean, they've had a few years where

1439
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: they've underachieved, but you know, we've gone from my era

1440
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: where we was always ninety five Nembraska or two thousand

1441
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 3: and Miami to now it's all about twenty nineteen.

1442
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 4: LSU.

1443
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 3: It's justin Jefferson, it's Jamar Chase, it's Joe Burrow. LSU

1444
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 3: is still a hot name, and they're going to have

1445
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: the resources there to allow Lane to recruit at a

1446
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: high level. So it's going to be heavy portal this January.

1447
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 3: But I think that twenty twenty seven recruiting class for

1448
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: LSU is going to be the one that people will

1449
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: need to start going off crab.

1450
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 4: Now we've got to do with LC.

1451
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 3: Recruiting at an elite level again.

1452
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon, let me get you out of here with

1453
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: a few rapid fire questions. Okay, Big twelve recruiting. We've

1454
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: got Texas Tech. We've got BYU, both of whom played

1455
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve championship game. After that Dan mentioned earlier,

1456
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: West Virginia's got forty nine commits. That's a lot of potatoes, Okay.

1457
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: But outside of them, Utah one really high level guy,

1458
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: two four star guys currently sitting at fourth per your rankings.

1459
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: You've got Arizona and TCU and Arizona State kind of

1460
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: a little bit further down on that list. Who do

1461
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: you look at, maybe outside of those top two within

1462
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: the Big twelve as a program that right now you've

1463
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: identified as they're a school to watch in terms of

1464
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: overall recruiting prowess.

1465
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: I think it's Utah And here's why. They have always

1466
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 3: recruited at a pretty good level, not an elite level.

1467
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: But on Friday, when Kyle Whittingham announced his retirement, or

1468
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: at least they was stepping down I reached out to

1469
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 3: almost every Utah commit and not one of them was

1470
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 3: worried at all. They all kind of were expecting Morgan

1471
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 3: scally to take over. There there that's going to be

1472
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: one of the most seamless transitions of a head coach.

1473
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 3: But now there's no longer the looming hangover of is

1474
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham even going to be your coach? Now it's

1475
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley's show. And Utah showed this year by going

1476
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: after Devin Dampier, by bringing in Jason beck Is their

1477
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, that they knew that they had some things

1478
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: to fix, and they did that. And I think that

1479
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: the best thing that ever happened to Utah is byu

1480
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: being super competitive in the first two years that Utah

1481
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 3: was in the Big twelve. Because now we got Utah

1482
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: dealing with private equity, we have Utah now realized they've

1483
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 3: got to get into the arms race. But if you

1484
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 3: look at this class, it's really good. They were able

1485
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 3: to get Kelvin Obot out of Idaho. He ended up

1486
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: picking Utah over I think it was Michigan, Oregon and

1487
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 3: USC and largely because his head coach, Jordan Gross, was

1488
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 3: a first round draft pick out of the same high

1489
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 3: school went to Utah. It was a first round draft pick,

1490
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 3: and he really fit in there. Celesio was committed to Tennessee.

1491
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 3: He flipped to Utah on signing day. They were able

1492
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: to flip a couple of other guys in state. But

1493
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 3: what they've been able to do so well over the

1494
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 3: last decade is develop players, get them drafted very early,

1495
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: recruit at a pretty good level, maybe not an elite level,

1496
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: but be competitive enough. And I think that with BYU

1497
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 3: getting so good so quick in the Big twelve, that's

1498
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 3: almost forcing Utah's hand to have to be just as aggressive.

1499
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: And I think this class shown with the able to

1500
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: be able to flip Celestimo up from Tennessee, to be

1501
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 3: able to get at Calvin Obot with all the other

1502
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 3: kind of more bluer bloods that were after him, that

1503
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 3: portends well. And now there's no longer the question of

1504
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 3: Morgan scalle Is he going to stay or I'm sorry

1505
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 3: with Kyle Whittingham, is he staying?

1506
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 4: Is he retiring?

1507
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: This is Morgan Scalley's team. He's got that roster kind

1508
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: of how he wants it to be, and I think

1509
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 3: Utah is going to be a you know, perennial contender

1510
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 3: for a playoff berth even though they didn't make it

1511
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 3: this year, They're going to be a team that's you know,

1512
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: they've always recruited well, You're going to see pretty good

1513
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: staff continuity there that I think that this class is

1514
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 3: going to be a very good class for them in

1515
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: the long run.

1516
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell takes a bigger job at Penn State where

1517
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,879
Speaker 1: he's going to have more resources. What do you expect

1518
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: with his recruiting operation at a bigger place.

1519
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be incredible because I think

1520
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 3: that speaking of guys very much like Kyle Whittingham and

1521
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 3: their ability to develop and evaluate and get the right

1522
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 3: fits and then turn those guys in, I think Matt

1523
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: Campbell is kind of the master of that. And we've

1524
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: seen a lot of coaches like that over the year.

1525
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 3: We were always wondering, what's he going to do when

1526
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 3: he's got a different logo on that polo? What can

1527
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: he do when he has more talent to attract and

1528
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: he can do more with more resources. And I think

1529
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 3: Matt Campbell, I think Penn State is going to benefit greatly.

1530
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 3: They may not have the sexy recruiting classes like James

1531
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 3: Franklin brought in. There may not be the one hundred

1532
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 3: and ten k strong tweets like James Franklin who really

1533
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: love recruiting, But I think you're going to have such

1534
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: a complete roster and players that are going to be

1535
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 3: evaluated really well, but more importantly be developed really well

1536
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 3: and fit. I think I'm not at all saying that

1537
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 3: this is going to be USC hiring Pete Carroll in

1538
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, not at all, but I think

1539
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 3: this could end up being the best backing into a

1540
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 3: really good hire that you're going to see in the

1541
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five cycle. Who had the most alarming class

1542
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 3: to you in the SEC in terms of bad or

1543
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 3: in terms of really good, every.

1544
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: Way you want to take it, Man, I'm gonna leave

1545
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: this one up to you.

1546
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would say that probably the most

1547
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: alarming class is just how quickly things fell apart with Auburn,

1548
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I would have thought with Alex

1549
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: goli Is getting hired that, you know, two days before

1550
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: the sagn day, they might have you know, been there,

1551
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 3: but there was they were starting to lose so much

1552
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 3: traction as it was, you know, all the talk about

1553
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 3: Braylen Womack, is he going to stick around? I mean,

1554
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 3: speaking of I've used this phrase a couple of times

1555
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 3: coaches that can get out of their own way. Auburn

1556
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: just seemingly can't ever get out of their own way.

1557
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 3: And they should be able to recruit at such a

1558
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 3: high level. There's so much good in state talent and

1559
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: they've been able to get it, but they haven't been

1560
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 3: able to utilize it. Cam Coleman had been criminally underutilized.

1561
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 3: So you look at Auburn, I think Golish is going

1562
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 3: to do well there, but you know, there's no reason

1563
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: that with Auburn, with the resources that they have, with

1564
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 3: Hugh Freezer's job security or not, they still should have

1565
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 3: had a better class than the one that they did.

1566
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 3: And then, you know, to the flip side, if you're

1567
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: looking at a class that you're like, hey, this is

1568
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: you know, kind of intriguing, this is kind of interesting.

1569
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 3: It's Mississippi State. I mean, I think that Jeff Letty

1570
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 3: did a really good job with this class. And then

1571
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 3: going back to Brayln Walt to be able to flip

1572
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: him too. You know, Mississippi State is forgotten at times,

1573
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: in the SEC, and that's probably because you have a

1574
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 3: larger than live Lane Kiffin at the end state rival.

1575
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 3: But I kind of like what Mississippi State did this year.

1576
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: They beat Arizona State early in the season. They were

1577
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 3: competitive in some games that you know, they ultimately couldn't

1578
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: finish out, but there were signs of life there. And

1579
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: Missisippi State they kind of have to They're much like

1580
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 3: Matt Campbell when he was at I of State. They

1581
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 3: have to nail the evaluation and development side. And I

1582
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 3: kind of like Missippi State finishing, you know, with the

1583
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 3: class that's just outside of the top ten in the SEC,

1584
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: because that's still pretty good on the national scale.

1585
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: I have two more quick ones in that tie. Right

1586
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: We're going to let you out of here. Okay, I

1587
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: am looking at your ACC rankings right now. Duke and Virginia,

1588
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: both of whom played for the conference title, are currently

1589
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ACC recruiting rankings. Is this

1590
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: a signal to you? Should this be a signal to

1591
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: other fans of the ACC? Even Louisville is in the

1592
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: lower half of the conference right now with respect to

1593
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: recruiting rankings. Do you take this as a signal that

1594
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: these are portal schools.

1595
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: Now, yes, on one hand, and both were quarterback by

1596
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 3: portals and very expensive portal you know, uh, attracting like

1597
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 3: getting a Darian Vinza. I mean that costs due quite

1598
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 3: a bit of money. But I think that you know,

1599
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 3: many Das and Tonilla would love to be able to

1600
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: develop a guy. But at the same time, you know

1601
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 3: they're not going to attract any elite quarterback like the

1602
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 3: blue Bloods are, so they're going to have to be

1603
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 3: heavy portal schools in the long run. But it also

1604
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 3: shows you that, you know, and I've said this for years,

1605
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 3: you don't necessarily see the bumping your recruiting off successful

1606
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 3: season in that immediate class. You see it in the

1607
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: following class. So I would anticipate that the twenty twenty

1608
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 3: seventh class for duke in Virginia is going to be

1609
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 3: much better, especially for Virginia, because there worse questions coming

1610
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 3: into the season. Is Tony Elliott the right fit for

1611
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 3: the guy? Now he's won terror flee flicker away from

1612
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: potentially being in the playoff and turning that thing around entirely.

1613
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 4: But now he's shown give me some.

1614
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: Patience, give me some time, and look what I can do,

1615
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 3: and I think Virginia's twenty twenty seven class should be better.

1616
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: Of course that you now have James Franklin in state

1617
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: that you're having to recruit against, but I think that

1618
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: both are kind of geared for the portal. But I

1619
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 3: also think they're going to see a better bump in

1620
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 3: the recruiting coming in twenty six and twenty seven. And

1621
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 3: while we're on the ACC, I do have to say

1622
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 3: I'm very impressible what Stanford did in this class because

1623
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: you take a guy like Andrew Luck who hasn't been

1624
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 3: in the collegiate game for a decade, and basically put

1625
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: him in charge of this program. He single handling himself,

1626
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: was recruiting this class.

1627
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 4: Not a head coach.

1628
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: Frank Wrich did very little recruiting at all. Yeah, the

1629
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 3: assistants were doing it. His Stanford recruiting staff was doing

1630
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 3: a lot. But I saw Andrew Luck at a couple

1631
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 3: of high school games this year. He's getting on the

1632
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 3: road to go watch quarterbacks, and one of them was

1633
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: the quarterback they flipped from Vanderbilt, Michael Mitchell. But to

1634
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 3: not have a coach for nine months and still be

1635
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 3: able to recruit a class that was pretty solid by

1636
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 3: you know, ACC standards. It's not the Stanford classes they

1637
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: had in our David Shaw buta that's a different era

1638
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 3: with nil and the transfer portal and Stanford being slow

1639
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: to adapt. For them to finish with the top ten

1640
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 3: class in a conference on the other side of the country,

1641
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty intriguing to see what Andrew luck

1642
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: was able to do at Stanford rono Vera to some extent,

1643
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 3: but that's going to be ramped up. We're going to

1644
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 3: be talking about Cal next year in the ACC rankings

1645
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 3: because Toshapoi will go back. We talked about defense earlier.

1646
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 3: Tos Lapoi is going to build a fence around northern

1647
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: California that I think could really benefit Cal and Jaron

1648
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 3: some of Hotelli staying is going to be a big

1649
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 3: help for them. Moving forward to final.

1650
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: Question, I promise I am looking right now at the

1651
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: now group of six because the PAC twelve has been

1652
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: reconstituted in some form, whether we like that or not. Obviously,

1653
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: this round of the College Football Playoff we have two

1654
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: group of five teams, so there is an emphasis for

1655
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: sure on I don't want to say that level of

1656
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: college football, but a level other than the powerful the

1657
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: teams that right now are atop their respective conferences Temple

1658
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: in the American Western Kentucky UNLV, Boise State, app State,

1659
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: and I believe Bowling Green in the MAC. So clearly

1660
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: these are schools that are prioritizing where they're at with

1661
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: respect to high school recruiting, maybe because they can't be

1662
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: or aren't as active in the transfer portal for a

1663
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: whole multitude of reasons. Are there any schools on the

1664
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: G six level that, to you rise above the rest

1665
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 1: and should be on our radar as college football fans

1666
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: given this new world where there will be at least

1667
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: one annual rep in the College Football Playoff from that

1668
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: G five G six level.

1669
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to what Billy Naper is going

1670
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: to do with his portal class at JMU and if

1671
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 3: he can continue to do that, and I think that

1672
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 3: they're going to recruit at a high level, you know,

1673
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: with him there for a couple of years. But I

1674
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 3: think if you look at the most consistent G five

1675
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 3: G six program over the last years, it's been Boise State,

1676
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 3: and there was a reason that they were the first

1677
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 3: G five team that went to the playoff last year.

1678
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 3: You know where a nine to four season in a

1679
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 3: Mountain West championship is drawing criticism because of the uneven

1680
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 3: play that the Boise State did, But if you look back,

1681
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: they're still going to have the best class going into

1682
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve. They've got the best reputation, the best

1683
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 3: history in the last twenty years of any of the

1684
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 3: new Pack twelve schools or any of the current Pack

1685
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 3: twelve schools that are still sticking around. They recruit at

1686
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: a kind of a national brand level better than any

1687
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: G five school And there's a reason they have the

1688
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 3: highest rated G five class or G six class in

1689
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: the country because Boise State has always done well. They've

1690
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 3: always punched above their weight on the field, but they've

1691
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 3: also punched above their weight in recruiting. They have traditionally

1692
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 3: beaten a number of Power for and Power five schools

1693
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 3: or the BCS schools in recruiting battles going back to

1694
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 3: when Chris Peterson was there, and I don't think that's

1695
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 3: changed at all because I think Spencer Daniel sim is

1696
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 3: showing what a good recruiter he can be and that

1697
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 3: the Boise State brand can get you drafted. I mean,

1698
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 3: Cage Case is potential second round draft pick. I watched

1699
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: him play in high school. Now he's going to be

1700
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: a secondround draft pick. And you know, a mid three

1701
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 3: star guy from the Pacific Northwest, a dashing genty is

1702
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 3: a four star. He goes there, he thrives at the

1703
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 3: top five pick. Boise State continues to show the development.

1704
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 3: And if there's any school in the G five level

1705
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 3: that does a better job of retaining their talent, there's

1706
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 3: better than Boise State, I'd like to see it. And

1707
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: that's where I think the difference is. And that's why

1708
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 3: they are so consistently good, is that they do a

1709
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 3: really good job of holding onto their players. Now can

1710
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 3: they do that long term? I don't know because the

1711
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 3: revenue sharing is such a big difference at the Power

1712
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 3: five level to the G five level.

1713
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 4: But if one G five.

1714
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: School is getting in the playoffs, I think Boise State's

1715
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 3: the one that you're gonna have to, you know, kind

1716
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 3: of earmark in every year as being one of the

1717
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 3: contenders out of the New Pac twelve and one of

1718
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: the three or four contenders nationally.

1719
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: What an Andre Williams performance from Brandon Howkson. I'm believe

1720
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 2: forty two carries two hundred and thirty three yards just

1721
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: muscling through the defensive line of content.

1722
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: He's a machine man. You are a machine, Brandon.

1723
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 3: I'm about to knock out a PD lie here, how about.

1724
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: This on It's great love to hear it, Brandon Hoffman

1725
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 2: two four seven Sports. Thank you so much for all

1726
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 2: of your time, your insight. As always, be sure to

1727
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: follow Brandon check out all of his work. I'm sure

1728
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 2: you'll be seeing him in videos across this great land

1729
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: these next few weeks talking about recruiting. Aside from the

1730
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: beautiful one he's doing right now, anything else we should

1731
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 2: know about that's on your radar work wise, football wise,

1732
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: Like you're in the sunshine now in the winter time.

1733
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 4: That's nice, I am.

1734
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: It's like, what's seventy five today is what it's expected

1735
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 3: to be. No great skys for me, No, I mean,

1736
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 3: believe it or not. We still have All American games,

1737
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 3: we have the All American Bawl, the Under Armmer Game,

1738
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 3: and a paul Anesian Bowl in January, but that's all

1739
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 3: going to be massively overshadowed because January second, after those

1740
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 3: New Year's Day bowls, the portal opens and you think

1741
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 3: these last couple of weeks have been crazy, ho baby,

1742
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 3: I think January second to the sixteenth with all these

1743
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 3: coaching changes. Yeah, all these new coaches and new places.

1744
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 3: It's going to be a wild fourteen days. And shit

1745
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 3: serves a nice little distraction as we get ready for

1746
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,839
Speaker 3: the semi finals in the National Championship.

1747
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: GEP, have you heard any just like I'm not asking

1748
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: for specifics here, but are you sitting on any just

1749
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: like bonkers rumors, whether it be in respect to a

1750
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: transfer coaching movement, and I like people tell you things

1751
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: they don't tell us, So are you sitting on any

1752
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: of that stuff right now that you are just crazy

1753
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: curious to see if it comes to fruition, very much so.

1754
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 4: And it's going to be at the quarterback position.

1755
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot that has to do

1756
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 3: with who lands where and who prioritizes who that I

1757
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 3: think could really, you know, change kind of the game

1758
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 3: moving forward with which schools are competitive quickly in twenty

1759
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 3: twenty six.

1760
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 1: Incredible, can't wait. Brandon Hoffman again twenty four to seven sports.

1761
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: We very much appreciate your time. We very much appreciate you,

1762
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: appreciate you leaving it all out in the field. I

1763
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: can hear the voice, so go hit that pedia light.

1764
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: You are one of truly the unique characters that we

1765
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: have on this show. We love it every time we

1766
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: get a chance to talk to you make us smarter.

1767
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: So thank you again as always for your time, and

1768
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: enjoy the holidays.

1769
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 3: Appreciate it happening all of you guys too, and we'll

1770
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 3: see you here in a couple of weeks on the

1771
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: portal circuit, Yes, sir.

1772
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, there you go. Brandon Hoffman, twenty four

1773
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: to seven Sports National Recruiting Editor. He is a fricking

1774
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: machine man, he is.

1775
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: And it's especially impressive because I'm sure in like previous

1776
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 2: eras of recruiting he can you know, he knows like

1777
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: the sophomores and juniors and seniors, and then we go

1778
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: through like the home stretch of the season and visits

1779
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 2: and signing day and then they're just sort of off

1780
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 2: to college and he goes back to the high school ranks, right,

1781
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 2: and he follows college football because he's a college football fan,

1782
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,520
Speaker 2: and like you need to sort of have that context

1783
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 2: for high school recruiting. But now with the portal, he

1784
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 2: kind of has to keep track of everything all of

1785
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: the time on both sides.

1786
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him about that, but we ran

1787
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: out of time. I could keep it longer.

1788
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: What we do, Like I don't watch the NFL. You

1789
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 2: watch the Giants, but you're not like an all day

1790
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: red zone like fantasy gambler, Like that's not.

1791
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 5: Who you is.

1792
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: The g five at this point.

1793
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: Continue, But like I look at the NFL and I'm

1794
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: always just like pleasantly surprised that a player that I

1795
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: spoke about for a few years is doing well in

1796
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 2: the NFL, Like just all good for him, Like Jonathan

1797
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: Taylor is good for the cults, what a pleasure to see.

1798
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: I loved watching him in college. But you could tell

1799
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 2: me that Jonathan Taylor didn't work out or just had

1800
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 2: like unlucky injury luck or history or whatever, and be like,

1801
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: damn that stinks. Oh well, you know, wish him the

1802
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: best and so that he has to continue on from

1803
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 2: high school to college, and that people continue on from

1804
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 2: college to the NFL. Like I'll just like look at

1805
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 2: stats every once in a while NFL leaders and be

1806
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 2: like pleasantly surprised that somebody's good. And then I just

1807
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: continue on with my day. What these guys have to

1808
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: do with with the portal world now because it's all

1809
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 2: it's all one and the same, especially contractually and nil

1810
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: stuff that Brandon doing this nationally. It's just it's an undertaking,

1811
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:05,959
Speaker 2: very impressive.

1812
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him how the word recruiting has

1813
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: changed for him now as a national quote unquote recruiting editor.

1814
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 1: Recruiting is so different, you know, because schools are building

1815
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: out NFL style scouting operations. They're no longer just in

1816
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: the game for high school prospects. They're basically recruiting everyone

1817
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: all the time. So how has his job changed now

1818
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: that this is a more holistic thing. I mean, he

1819
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: sort of spoke to it a little bit, and I

1820
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: think schools are are definitely answering that question. Everyone's got

1821
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different approach. But it's a

1822
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: hard job. And his ability just at a moment's notice.

1823
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: We didn't give him any of that stuff beforehand. No,

1824
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: so his ability to kind of just go from recall,

1825
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: I had half a notion to just throw out a

1826
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: random two star guy and say, tell me. I didn't

1827
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: want to put him in a bad spot because he's

1828
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: already like right, of course, deal with the cold and

1829
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: given us so much of his time. I don't want

1830
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: to make him look bad. It's a lot, but man,

1831
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: he's incredible. Go and follow him, go and check him out.

1832
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: At twenty four to seven, brandhom is like a national treasure.

1833
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you were like this two star kid

1834
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 2: from Artesia, like somewhere in southern California, he could be like,

1835
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 2: all right, well, yeah, his dad was in the minor

1836
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: league system for the Padres that I think he could

1837
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: handle pretty well. When you say NFL, by the way,

1838
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 2: when you're like, it's almost like a for veteran for

1839
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: worse situation, because as we get into portal season, I

1840
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 2: think a lot of these schools, if not all of

1841
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 2: these schools like they're just it's not a limitless bank

1842
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 2: that they're dealing with. And so I don't think when

1843
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of these guys enter the portal

1844
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: it's necessarily like I don't like being at Kansas State,

1845
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: I don't like being at USC. I think a lot

1846
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: of it is, hey, we want to renegotiate your deal.

1847
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: We think you're a three hundred and fifty k guy,

1848
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 2: not necessarily an eight twenty five K guy, right, And

1849
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: so that's at that point then there's the math of like,

1850
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: do I think I can get five to ten somewhere?

1851
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're into right now, which

1852
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 2: does feel like the NFL.

1853
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: Does it take anything away from you like hearing about

1854
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 1: this out in the open, because I think a lot

1855
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 1: of this already went on behind the scenes. We just

1856
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't know about it. It hits different, though it really

1857
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: does feel different to me. I think for a long

1858
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: time many of the people listening, and you guys can

1859
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: call me out if I'm off base with this, but

1860
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: there was such pageantry and romanticism associated with college football,

1861
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: if only because we didn't talk about this stuff. And

1862
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: there is part of me that thinks maybe it was

1863
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: all better off and we just had it going on

1864
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 1: in the shadows where it wasn't so front stage center.

1865
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: We didn't have to deal with this whenever we logged

1866
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: onto our message board of choice. But now here we

1867
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: are and it's out in the open, and I think

1868
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: the players are better for it. I've always believed you

1869
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: and I have both been like binded in that week.

1870
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: The players should be compensated, they should be able to

1871
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: earn off their likeness. But it has definitely reframed the

1872
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: conversation in a way that I think a lot of

1873
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: people are still uncomfortable with.

1874
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 2: Sure, it's it's definitely different, it's definitely again. It's hard

1875
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: for us specifically because we're most concerned with schools that

1876
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 2: are like of the gilded few in Sure Dame, in

1877
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 2: Oregon for better, I don't Yeah, I don't think we

1878
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: can speak to it feeling different or like having a

1879
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: yuck factor because Notre Dame's not gonna lose players they want,

1880
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: and Oregon's not gonna lose players they want by and large.

1881
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: If they're playing and people are getting along reasonably well

1882
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, it's it. That's just how it seems

1883
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 2: from the outside. So from that perspective, not a lot

1884
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 2: has changed for me personally, But looking at the sport

1885
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 2: as a whole, I'm always fascinated no matter the sport

1886
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: of Like you know, you look at the NBA and

1887
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: the max deals and the aprons and the mid level exceptions,

1888
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 2: like I think there is something super interesting about the

1889
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 2: construction of rosters and teams and how you value players

1890
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 2: or draft picks or salary caps are going over the

1891
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: cap or there being no cap, or you're deferring payment

1892
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: for ten years. That's worth eight hundred million dollars. Like

1893
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 2: the business of it all is interesting to me, but

1894
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: at the same time, I can't help but feel for

1895
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 2: the guys who feel like they're being squeezed out. And

1896
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,440
Speaker 2: we're watching players who were like pretty good and contributing

1897
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: but now have to go to a considerably smaller school

1898
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: and smaller stage because there's a new hot freshman coming

1899
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 2: in and the books need to be balanced like that.

1900
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 2: That's not my thing, but by and large, you know,

1901
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 2: the only certainty in life has change, and so the

1902
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: teams who are rolling with at best and the best

1903
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: financial way are the ones who are going to succeed.

1904
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, it takes a little bit away from me.

1905
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 2: But like, we're also in a universe in which we

1906
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: have to pay attention to TV ratings and networks sort

1907
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: of putting their thumbs on the scale of realignment and

1908
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So if we have to be exposed

1909
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: to more of like the underbelly of players making hundreds

1910
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars, that's kind of okay by me. Like,

1911
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: I don't know all things, consider the like the bummers

1912
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: of this sport, players making more money and finding out

1913
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 2: about the money that they're all making. That's fine by me.

1914
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1915
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: I would welcome feedback from the verballerhood soliverbl at gmail

1916
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: dot com. And I know this is well tread territory.

1917
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: This conversation has been going on for a couple of

1918
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: years now. This isn't a new thing, and I think

1919
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good sense for where our community

1920
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 1: is at with respect to how the conversation has changed.

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Speaker 1: They talk about it all the time over in our discord,

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Speaker 1: but it's just a really really fascinating conversation because we've

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01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: been doing this so long and we have seen how

1924
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: the sport has evolved, and this injection of money into

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Speaker 1: every conversation has, I think, from any cheapened the value

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Speaker 1: of college football. And I don't know, I solid rebel

1927
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Speaker 1: Agama that como, we know your thoughts on the matter.

1928
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Speaker 1: I still will never get used to looking on social

1929
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Speaker 1: media and seeing Jada Mayava has re signed his deal.

1930
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Speaker 2: That was definitely a different experience for me.

1931
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Speaker 1: Like maybe that's where the hat ceremony goes next, you know,

1932
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Speaker 1: like the hat ceremonies with the high school recruits, And

1933
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it much on the transfer market so far,

1934
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Speaker 1: transfer market, transfer portal. Thus we have seen.

1935
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we saw a little bit with Chris Henry Junior,

1936
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: who appears to be like a transformationally good, great whatever

1937
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Speaker 2: talent at receiver.

1938
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Speaker 1: Speaking of feeling old, by the way, continue, Yes.

1939
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Speaker 2: The son of the late Chris Henry NFL receiving excellence.

1940
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Speaker 2: The I think his process was he's I think he's

1941
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 2: from Ohio, moved to southern California, was incredible for a

1942
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 2: high school power there, committed to Ohio State. The next

1943
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: step was he announced that he was shutting down his commitments,

1944
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Speaker 2: which is a thing now right that like I no

1945
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Speaker 2: longer want to be recruited, I am solid to you know,

1946
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Speaker 2: ex school. And then Brian Hartline left, but he still

1947
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 2: said that he was signing with Ohio State at his

1948
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Speaker 2: high school commitment ceremony, didn't sign and then went on

1949
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Speaker 2: Pat McAfee's show to confirm once again that he was signing.

1950
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Speaker 2: So he committed to Ohio State like four or five

1951
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Speaker 2: times in the process, and that's just a new thing.

1952
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Speaker 2: And can't wait to watch him play for the Buckeyes.

1953
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: I think was considering like USC and Oregon and Texas

1954
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Speaker 2: or something down the stretch. But it is wild that

1955
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Speaker 2: you're like, I'm committed, I'm done being recruited. I'm still signing.

1956
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Speaker 2: I have decided that, yes, once again, I am going

1957
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Speaker 2: to sign and I have some like it's it's a lot,

1958
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 2: but it's it's what we deal with.

1959
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Speaker 1: Also, I'm sorry I told you to shut up during

1960
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Speaker 1: that interview.

1961
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Speaker 2: You should never apologize for I always need to be told. No,

1962
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Speaker 2: you all my loved ones.

1963
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Speaker 1: You had me in my feels after telling me I

1964
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: asked the mean question, which is kind of a mean question.

1965
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Speaker 1: I knew when I wrote it, but I was okay

1966
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Speaker 1: with the question. Ty, I know it's okay. You know

1967
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Speaker 1: I love you.

1968
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Speaker 3: You know this.

1969
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Speaker 2: No, I know I should be I'm everybody listening to

1970
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: this show is not in an agreement. I guess every

1971
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 2: so often Dan should be told to shut up. That

1972
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 2: seems normal.

1973
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Speaker 1: I do care about Lehigh. We can talk about Lehi

1974
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Speaker 1: had a different episode. But I apologize, Okay, I do,

1975
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Speaker 1: But I don't like to outburst like that towards you.

1976
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Speaker 2: You're my friend, okay, Ty, You're only a human, all right.

1977
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Speaker 1: Thank you to one and all for hanging with us

1978
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Speaker 1: here a longer show than usual, but hopefully a lot

1979
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Speaker 1: of great information from our friend Brandon Hoffman again. Check

1980
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Speaker 1: him out twenty four to seven National Recruiting Editor. You

1981
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: can find him across social media talking about his wisdom here.

1982
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Speaker 1: He's got a lot to share and well, as he said,

1983
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Speaker 1: it's going to get interesting here over there. I cannot

1984
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Speaker 1: wait to hear me. Maybe we'll get it on background

1985
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Speaker 1: what these rumors were and what he was looking for,

1986
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: But it will get interesting as we dive a little

1987
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Speaker 1: bit deeper into the transfer portal. Of course, as many

1988
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: people are listening to this, we have playoff games this weekend,

1989
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: Dan and I will be doing our normal thing where

1990
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Speaker 1: we recap the action on the live stream afterwards TBD

1991
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Speaker 1: and whether or not we're going to do a watch

1992
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Speaker 1: long or anything crazy. So stay tuned to our social

1993
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Speaker 1: media channels. Will keep you posted if anything pops up

1994
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Speaker 1: on that front.

1995
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Speaker 2: But any final thoughts on Carlos alcaz and one Carlos Ferrero,

1996
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 2: his longtime coach splitting. I mean, what does it mean

1997
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Speaker 2: for his future? That was a legendary partnership.

1998
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Speaker 1: TI I mean I heard rumblings of the coach maybe

1999
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: taking on an assistant role at USC But who's the sign?

2000
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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you were going to do the like.

2001
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 2: I had heard this but didn't want to say anything

2002
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 2: like the classic. You have to tweet out the eyes

2003
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Speaker 2: or something, right, right, Yeah, okay, I have no infu.

2004
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to tweet the eyes.

2005
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course the eyes. The eyes always get me

2006
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Speaker 1: big move in the tennis world.

2007
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Speaker 4: All right.

2008
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Speaker 1: Thank you again to Brandon. Thank you again to the

2009
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Speaker 1: verballer hood. You knew how to reach out. Saliverbotgmail dot com.

2010
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Hope to see you all this weekend after the first

2011
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: round of college football playoff action. In the meantime, for

2012
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: that guy Dan, for myself, Tie, you know the drill,

2013
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Speaker 1: Stay solid, Peace,