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Speaker 1: that's that's what I've always thought. So all you have

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Speaker 1: So please hurry, San Francisco, please hurry. Welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: You Should Know from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and we have guest producer Noel with us.

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Speaker 1: And this is Stuff you Should Know, Part two. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And actually things are gonna get weird because Noal is

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Speaker 1: know after dark. Let's got weird pretty quick. Uh. So

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Speaker 1: this is part two of How Feeding Babies Works? Right,

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Speaker 1: we're on the same page. Oh yeah, yeah, I hope so.

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Speaker 1: Uh and part one I think went down pretty well.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it was a little nerve racking being two

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Speaker 1: saying that term. But I think we did a pretty

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Speaker 1: and today we're gonna focus a lot more on formula feeding,

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Speaker 1: which I feel much more comfortable because it's something I

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Speaker 1: probably deal a lot of heavy lifting on this one.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not that heavy, just five or six ounces

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Speaker 1: But a lot of women start using bottles fairly early on,

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Speaker 1: And so I've seen that some insurance companies, some insurance

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00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: plans will either pay all or some of that cost,

425
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: so it can drop dramatically. But because it's so expensive

426
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: and because not all insurance covers it. Um other um

427
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: peripheral milk exchanges have grown up, some alarming, some slightly

428
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: less alarming. But like there's one called only the Breast,

429
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: which is a lot looks a lot like Craigslist for milk. Okay,

430
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: have you been on it? No, Actually didn't go to

431
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: the website. So every probably every third UM ad is

432
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: like some sort of weird porno ad or something like that.

433
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: But the other two are legitimate. You know, Like, I

434
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: have milk, I'm healthy, and i just have too much,

435
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: so I'm selling it for a dollar announce or something

436
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: like that. UM, and I'm like I got the best

437
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: stuff out there. Well, now I'm sure there are. I

438
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: didn't run across any of that. But there's also uh

439
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: like something that that you can also click that says

440
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: like men need not contact me because apparently there's like

441
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: a whole thing of weirdos out there who are like, hey,

442
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: sell me your extra breast milk. You know, I was

443
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: gonna make a joke a minute ago about milk banks

444
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: being for you know, mother suit can't or won't breastfeed,

445
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: or creepy weird wealthy guys. They go to only the

446
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: breast apparently, So is it a thing for men to

447
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: drink breast milk? I guess so, because you can go

448
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: on only the breast, and most from what I saw,

449
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: most of the legitimate ads were like, no, don't. I

450
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: don't want any men to contact me, but there are

451
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: That means that there are some out there where if

452
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: you are a man, you could buy breast milk, which

453
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you have that fetish and

454
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: it's not hurting anybody then right, But still I guess so,

455
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: so so you've got only the breast, the problem is this, right,

456
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to pick on only the breast.

457
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: There's other milk sharing sites like this. They definitely do

458
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: serve a function where if you want to feed your

459
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: baby mother's milk, um, and you just can't afford five

460
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: dollars an ounce, but you can't afford one dollar announced

461
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: and some some women on there have it for free.

462
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: They're just donating it, they don't aren't charging anything for it.

463
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: Um that's a viable place to go. The problem is this,

464
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: the milk you're getting is not in any way screened.

465
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: You have no idea whether the person you're getting it from,

466
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: despite how great they look and how healthy they look,

467
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: whether they're actually disease free, and hence whether their milk

468
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: is disease free, which is that's very alarming. It is.

469
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: There's also something called cross nursing, which seems like a

470
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: reasonable alternative, and that's that's basically just when two women

471
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: or four or five, just people who know each other

472
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: like neighbors or good friends that are pregnant at the

473
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: same time, uh, well, cross nurse and basically it's it's

474
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: just milk sharing among a few people, straight from the tap,

475
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: straight not straight from the tap. They'll they'll bottle it

476
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: up and and go next door and say, you know,

477
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: I had this leftover milk. I see, it's just it's

478
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: basically milk sharing, but but not through like some big website.

479
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: It's just among friends. I got to just keep it

480
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: between friends. There's there is a website called milk Share

481
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: that is it's along the lines of only the breast,

482
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: but it's much more um uh regimented. Yeah. Um, it's

483
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: all donated, it's all free um or there's no charge

484
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: and um there are there's like guidelines for storing and

485
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: shipping and stuff like that that only the breast didn't have.

486
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: But again still, as far as I know, it's not

487
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: screened for anything. Yeah, and we're not disparaging anyone who

488
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: wants to use services like this at all. I just

489
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: want to make that clear. It's just we want people

490
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: to be as safe as possible. Yeah, I mean what's

491
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the alternative though? You know, like if you want to

492
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: feed your child breast milk, you can't breastfeed and you

493
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: just don't have the money, what do you do? You know,

494
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: that's a sticky situation. It is. It's very sad. Uh.

495
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the breast pump yesterday,

496
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: but um, we'll we'll really get into it here. It

497
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: was advented in the early nineteenth Uh. I don't know

498
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: if it's early, but let's just say nineteenth century. It

499
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: was about the time when formula was really starting to

500
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: come into its own all right, Well that kind of

501
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: makes sense in a way. Everyone's like vying for that

502
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: space in the industry even back then. Uh. And the

503
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: earliest models are probably what you think. It's basically a

504
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: cow milking machine that's been modified slightly. Um, look like

505
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: a vacuum and a hand pump. But it was and

506
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: this is something I had no idea. UM as far

507
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: as a consumer delivered at home product, it's only been

508
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: around since about when uh Madela introduced the first at

509
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: home electric po houred. Uh, you can you can have

510
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: it in your as a consumer use breast pump. Yeah,

511
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: right up to I had no idea it was that new,

512
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: right Yeah and verse since then. There's just a really

513
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: great Jillapoor article from the New York Or called Baby

514
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Food where she kind of chronicles the rise of the

515
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: breast pump. But she points out that since nine um,

516
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: sales of Medella's model alone had quadrupled and they become ubiquitous,

517
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: you know. Um. Then they started out as a medical

518
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: device like, if your baby couldn't um, couldn't nurse, you

519
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: could still feed your baby breast milk by using these pumps.

520
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: And it was a medical intervention that became a consumer product,

521
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: And the reason it's spread and popularity like wildfire is

522
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: because it makes uh, breastfeeding mom's life exponentially more awesome

523
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: then if they're just nursing. Yeah, I mean that obviously

524
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: has the advantages of freeing mom up by being able

525
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: to bank that milk on her own. H. Then dad

526
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: can help feed, and babysitter, daycare worker can help feed. Uh.

527
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: Mom can sleep through the night, maybe even if you

528
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: know dad is a good dad and a good husband.

529
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: She can go to the store by herself. Uh, well,

530
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: what do you mean. Well, I mean, rather than having

531
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: to to feed every two hours or to express milk

532
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: every two hours, she can go as far as I've

533
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: seen up to like six hours between expressions, right, So

534
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: you can fit a lot of time away by yourself

535
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: in that six hours rather than too Yeah, I hear you.

536
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: It's another big one. Uh. It also made things way

537
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: easier in the workforce. Obviously, we we did touch on

538
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: the yesterday with UM. As of two thousand and ten.

539
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Here in the United States, UM employers are required to

540
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: provide these break times in a private place. But it's

541
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: not like we had a lovely lactation room in our

542
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: last office. We actually recorded it in there once. I

543
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: think I actually was studying in there once, UM, and

544
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: I was like elactation room. But it didn't occur to

545
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: me like that was a lactation room at all times

546
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: rather than just when uh, somebody was in there pumping. UM.

547
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: So I was in there studying because it was very

548
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: quiet and comfortable before I finally got cooked out and

549
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: it dawned on me that, oh, that's the lactation room

550
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: all the time. I should probably steer clear of that place. Here,

551
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: and they're smoking a cigarette pretty much doing shots of whiskey. Uh.

552
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: And you mentioned a second ago that UM the breast

553
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: pump allowed women if their baby had troubled nursing. One

554
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: of the issues that can happen. It's called nipple confusion.

555
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: And it is UM, not confusion which is a little confusing. UM.

556
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: It is not the baby doesn't know like whether or

557
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: not it's mom's nipple or a bottle nipple. It's that

558
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: the baby actually has a preference for the bottle nipple. Right, Yeah,

559
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: the baby has been introduced to the bottle in an

560
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: now that the mom's like, okay, don't forget about the boob.

561
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: The baby's like, no, no, no, I'm I'm pretty hip

562
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: on the bottle instead. Let's just stick with that. Yeah.

563
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a little easier, supposedly right for

564
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: a baby to feed from a bottle, easier for the baby,

565
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: that is right. It employs gravity more than the um

566
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: the breast does, and the baby has to work less.

567
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: And since babies are inherently lazy. Um, they're like, I

568
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: like the bottle more. I just I don't understand why

569
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: it was ever called nipple confusion, and I couldn't find

570
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: the origin of it, although I bet you nipple preference

571
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: just sounded mean, I guess. So. Yeah, like they were

572
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: worried that the mom would take it as rejection. Uh,

573
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: And so they say, experts do that if you want

574
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: to try and avoid that potential at least that you

575
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: want to at least try and breastfeed if that's what

576
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna do for two weeks before the baby sees

577
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: any sort of bottled nipple. Yeah, right, you want him

578
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: to get good at breastfeed thinks so they can remember

579
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: how right it seems? Smart? Yeah, you're lazy, little dumb

580
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: baby is smarter and not as lazy as you think.

581
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: No or confused, that's right. So, um, if you are

582
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: going with formula, there's a lot of different types available,

583
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you know more than me. Even um.

584
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: From what I've found though, that almost all of the

585
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: milk based ones, which is the standard version, all of

586
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: the milk based versions are almost exactly the same. Yeah,

587
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: there there are things that the FDA requires be present,

588
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: so you're gonna see a lot of the same stuff. Um,

589
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: should we go through the list here? I love this list, Yes,

590
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: go ahead. Protein, fat, vitamin C, A, D, E, K

591
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: B one, B two, B six and B twelve, niacin delicious,

592
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: folic acid, love it, pantathemic acid, Calcium, How do you

593
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: feel about phosphorus? It's a little sneaky. Magnesium, iron, zinc,

594
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: here's the best one. Manganese It's like a mongoose and

595
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: a mango mixed together. Copper, iodine, sodium, potassium, and chloride.

596
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: Why do they always put potassium and chloride together? Have

597
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: you ever noticed that? I don't know one thing that

598
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: you may not find in your formula you probably won't

599
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: is a fluoride supplement. And the guy who wrote the

600
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: house Stuff Works article is just cuckoo for fluoride. Wants

601
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that your baby has fluoride coming out

602
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: of his or her ears. Um, which you know, mambivalent

603
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: on that. Well they do say um. I think the

604
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: American Academy of Pediatric says no fluoride supplements at all

605
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: two babies six months or younger. Oh is that right? Good?

606
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Good to add that because fluorosis is a concern in

607
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: that case. That's not what this guy is saying, so

608
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: you could catch He's clearly doesn't work for the American

609
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: Academy Pediatrics. The thing about UM formula, though, is, like you,

610
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: you would like to think it's all pure and wonderful

611
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: and like the best ingredients, And there are some out there,

612
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're mondo expensive right. Uh yeah, I mean,

613
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, the good organic formula is a little pricier,

614
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: for sure. But there's also ones that are like they

615
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: appear to be almost junk food for babies. Well yeah,

616
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean read the read those labels, uh, for sure,

617
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: like corn syrup and artificial sweeteners and corn starch sweeteners.

618
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean, do what you want, but I would avoid

619
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: that stuff sure, And I'm sure a lot of people

620
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: aren't a percent aware that that stuff is in there.

621
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Um there their baby food. And I mean a lot

622
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: of it's disguise like multidextrin sounds natural, but that's corn.

623
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: That's corn starch sweetener. I don't think that sounds natural

624
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: at all, But it sounds like it's It sounds like

625
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback for like a middling Midwest college or something

626
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: like that, multi extron takes the field. It sounds like

627
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: that hardy Mid America kind of thing. All right, it's

628
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: not coastal at all. No, it's not coastal. Uh. If

629
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: your little baby has intolerance to milk um, like a

630
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: milk allergy, you can get those soy protein or coconut

631
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: milk um formulas. Still they're still out there, but they

632
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: now have the proper extra nutrients added, which they did

633
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: not used to have, right, And you can also get

634
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: did you say coconut too? Yeah? Yeah, I like the

635
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: sound of that one. Coconut Sure, coconut anything's good. Yeah.

636
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: I tried the formula ones. How is it? Is it sweet?

637
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: At all, or are these sweeeners just strictly for carbohydrate sake.

638
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: I don't remember how sweet it was. I don't think

639
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: I got enough to really. Oh, I see this is

640
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: after a couple of scotches. Let me see that right bottle?

641
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: Not that bottle. The the speaking of sweeteners, though, if

642
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: you want to get close to breast milk the sweetener,

643
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: you want to look for the main sweetening ingredient in

644
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: your formulas. Lactose. Okay, lactose, but then, like you said,

645
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: you may find out that your kid is lactose intolerant,

646
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: in which case you have some alternatives, especially soy and coconut,

647
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: which is my favorite. So uh, formula, you're gonna have

648
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: a few choices. You can have, um, like what they'll

649
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: give you in the hospital. A lot of times is

650
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: that just the bottles already pre packaged and pre made,

651
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: which obviously it doesn't get any easier than that. You

652
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: just pop the top and go at it, pre measured

653
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: and everything, and those are okay, yeah, I mean those

654
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: come in a variety of kinds as well, like from

655
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: probably ones that um aren't as great, to the more expensive,

656
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: better ones. UM, it's basically just the pre made version

657
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: of the powder that you might buy right right then,

658
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: the fact that they already measured out the precise amountain

659
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: added the water and shook it all together. Already, that's

660
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: what you're paying for the convenience, I guess. In other words, Yeah,

661
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: but you know it's their disposable, so you're you're I mean,

662
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: you're recycling the bottles hopefully, but it's still something that

663
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: you it's it's a one use thing. Okay. So then

664
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: you've got your concentrates and your powders, and um, price

665
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: and convenience are kind of what play in here according

666
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: to what you're gonna go with in addition to what

667
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: little b b will will want to eat. You know,

668
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: some babies are like, I don't I don't like that.

669
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: I reject your formula. Give me another one, or this

670
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: one makes me have reflux or makes me super gassy. Yeah.

671
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: That was the thing that I saw too, that that

672
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: even the formulas are virtually all the same. Um. Yeah,

673
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: your baby might have a strong preference for one over another.

674
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: I think such a triumph. Yeah, I think that the

675
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: thing the recipes are tweaked because there can I mean,

676
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: some of them say like, uh, for gas, problems specifically

677
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So there must be some either

678
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: a little less of something or maybe a little more

679
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: of something would be my guess. And I'm just I'm

680
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: flying off the cuff here, So if I got that wrong,

681
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. One of the other things that UM formula

682
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: requires is really good water, yes, UM, which again the

683
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: author of the House to Folks article, who apparently is

684
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: unaware of fluorosis UM says just use tap water. You

685
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: can totally use cold tap water. And he does say

686
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: you never want to use hot tap water when you're

687
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: creating formula because if you do have UM lead plumbing

688
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: anywhere connecting to your house, hot water will leach it out. More.

689
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: When we covered that big time, our one about Flint, Michigan,

690
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: remember that, UM, So you want to use cold tap water,

691
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: I would say use filtered waters the first formula. Sure,

692
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: but if you if you're just using it out of

693
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: the tap, and in the rule of thumb is if

694
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: you can drink the tap water safely, uh, your baby

695
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: should be able to as well. But UM, just be

696
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: sure to use cold water. Yeah. And in fact, I

697
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: think for the first a little while we were even

698
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: using spring water just to be like those first few

699
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: weeks or you know, until you get a little more

700
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: comfortable or a little bit like all right, like I'm

701
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: doing everything right. Yeah, no, I don't blame me, man,

702
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: And then you get a little more relaxed you're like, oh,

703
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, babies are pretty hardy little monsters, you know.

704
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: And apparently also like I was surprised that they'll they'll

705
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: take formula cold, but um, apparently they'll take a cold

706
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: right out of the fridge. Well, it depends, well, it

707
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: depends on the baby. Well, yeah, like, um, some babies

708
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, heat that heat that stuff up? Right. Well,

709
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: when you're heating it up, you only want to run

710
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: it under hot tap water, in which case it's fine

711
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: because you're not actually adding the hot tap war you're

712
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: just using it to run out on the outside of

713
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: the bottle, right to heat it up. Yeah, I'm gonna

714
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: advise against that. Okay, how do you heat it up? Then?

715
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: Because I saw I don't use a microive, Well, there's

716
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: you can buy a bottle warmer, which is basically like

717
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: a just a little round thing with that you have

718
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: water in the bottom that boils it like a tea kettle.

719
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: It's like a water bath. Yeah, it's a little water bath.

720
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: But the reason I suggest that is if it takes

721
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: a long time to to warm it up under tap water,

722
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: and so you're literally like just running water for like

723
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: five minutes, well that's a that's a good that's kind

724
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: of wasteful. You're right, And at first I was likely

725
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: bottle warmer. They try to sell you all this junk.

726
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Literally was like that, and you know, I tried it.

727
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: I was like, look, you can just put in a

728
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: coffee cup and put some hot water in there, but

729
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: that cools off like really quick, and the bottle warmer

730
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: was like fifteen dollar urs that You're like, well, look

731
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: you can just put the coffee cup on the stove,

732
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: turn the stove off, turn it on. Yeah. Emily was

733
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: basically like, get the bottle warmer done and it's infinitely easier.

734
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: You just just click it on. It's got a little

735
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: time or for a couple of minutes or whatever, and

736
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: it heats it up and you're not wasting as much water.

737
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: That's that's cool, But in a pinch, like when you're

738
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: out and about, you definitely like the running it undertap

739
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: water works. I think there's two things then that the

740
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: federal government should give every new parent at least a

741
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: year's supply of infant formula, good stuff, and a bottle warm,

742
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: like just for just for being an American, you should

743
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah. What what country is it sweet where

744
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: they give him the box? Norway? Is it Norway? I

745
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think it's one of those

746
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Oh, I know what you're talking about. The

747
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: box can be used as like a baby like a

748
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: crib even yeah. Oh, I think it is a Nordic

749
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: country and it's like this old tradition that they still do.

750
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: And uh. I think I posted something about it and

751
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: I was like, what in the world, and all these

752
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: women are like, no, dude, it's the best, like they're

753
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: doing it right. Yeah, but I can't remember. It was

754
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: some sort of baby box. Yeah, yeah, I know what

755
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And I think it came with stuff

756
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: in it, but then you take the stuff out of

757
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: it and then you put your baby in it. Right,

758
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: I have to look into that. I think I'm describing

759
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: it correctly. And the baby's like echo. Uh So when

760
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: you get your bottles and your nipples, when you decide

761
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: on the ones, they're a bunch of them out there.

762
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: But when you decide on the one that works, that

763
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: you like and that works for baby, um, you you

764
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: want to sterilize it right out of the package by

765
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: boiling it. But then after that you can just wash

766
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: it in the dishwasher with hot water, supposedly unless your

767
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: house operates on well water, in which case you may

768
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: want to be a little more um steril ific you uh.

769
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: And in two thousand twelve they banned b p A

770
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: uh for baby bottles because b p A has been

771
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: shown to leach from its uh plastic containers the products

772
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: when heated up. And so since twelve, anything you buy

773
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: won't will be b p A free. But if people,

774
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't that long ago. So people are like, here,

775
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: take my old bottles or you know, have my handy downs.

776
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: You gotta look, um, look on the bottom and if

777
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: you see a number seven on the bottom or PC, yeah,

778
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: then it might have b p A. So you should

779
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: just try and get a new one. Yeah. And you

780
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: don't be also lulled into complacency by things that say

781
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: b p A free, because they may be certified even

782
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: b p A free. But two replacements that have come

783
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: to stand in for b p A. BPS and BPF

784
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: are apparently just as bad endocrine endocrine disruptors as b

785
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: p A. So what you really want to do is

786
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: just avoid any clear plastic bottles. You want to use

787
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: the opaque kind because they're usually made of polyethylene or polypropylene,

788
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: and you want to go with ones that have the

789
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: recycling symbol with the number two or the number five

790
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: in them. Those are legitimately free of bp A or

791
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: or bisphenols of any kind. Yeah, they should put a

792
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: little baby with the thumbs up. They they they should

793
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: just yes, they shouldn't have taken this many years for

794
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm just the whole bp A thing really gets me going, Yeah, yeah,

795
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I mean it's only four years ago.

796
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, wait a minute, it's leaching when you

797
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: heat it up into your baby's food. Yeah, well well wait,

798
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: we're making money off of it. Sorry to see. That's

799
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You can get glass bottles now. Back

800
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: in the day, that was all you would see obviously. Uh.

801
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: And they still make great glass bottles, and they're a

802
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: bit heavier um to hold they so you can break

803
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: if you drop them. But you've seen a lot of

804
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: places like the hazards of dropping and breaking a bottle.

805
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that big of a hazard. It's

806
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: like it's like any I mean, if you unless you

807
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: don't have any glass in your house at all, you

808
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: could always drop a glass. Sure. Also, I know these

809
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: things aren't the most fragile things you've rent countered, sick

810
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: and heavy, So they just cracked the baby's face if

811
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: you drop I guess that's a bigger hazard than it breaking. Right.

812
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: Uh no, I mean all right, you should be holding

813
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: that bottle, you know, which we're gonna get into, right, Yeah,

814
00:48:38,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: you want to take a break first. Hey, so Chuck,

815
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: I saw something. Um I think I said you don't

816
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: want a microwave baby bottles? Did you know that? I didn't?

817
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: But um, we we we don't really use a microwave

818
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: at all, so not an issue. Well, the reason why

819
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: you don't want to is because microwaves heat basically from

820
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: the inside out. So when you grab the bottle and

821
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's lukewarm. The stuff that you're touching

822
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: on the outside is lukewarm, but the stuff inside might

823
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: be really hot, and you don't want to hurt baby.

824
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: I guess we should also say anytime you give baby

825
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: formula unless it's directly out of the fridge, and even then,

826
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: why not, Um, you want to shake a little on

827
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: the underside of your forearm, right because it's a very

828
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: sensitive area in your skin and you'll be able to

829
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: tell whether it's hot or not. I would drop it

830
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: in my eye. That's a good one. It's very sensitive.

831
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: I'll bet that spring water doesn't hurt at all. All right, So, um,

832
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: like you said, some babies don't mind it cold, or

833
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: after a while they've may be like, all right, cold

834
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: is fine with me. But you're still gonna want to, uh,

835
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: you still want to hold and feed your baby, You don't.

836
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: You don't like set your baby down on a couch

837
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: and hand your baby a bottle and walk away, because

838
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: a for a while, that's not even possible. Um, although

839
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: I will say, once the baby can hold the bottle,

840
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: it's pretty neat. Yeah, but you know you still want

841
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: to be there. But you're you know, you want to

842
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: still be there and provide eye contact and that closeness. Um.

843
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's a big part of it. Yeah, that's

844
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: a huge part of it. Also. I mean, we talked

845
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: about it in the breast episode. Um, skin on skin

846
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: contact has a lot to do with social development in

847
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: brain development with babies due to oxytocin release. But that

848
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: doesn't just come from breastfeeding. So anytime you're feeding a baby,

849
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: you basically should be shirtless from what I'm gathering. Um,

850
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: So that and you way you hold a baby, whether

851
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: you're bottle feeding it, whether you're best feeding it, whether

852
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: you're the neighbor or the maleman who's been invited to

853
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: come beat and meet the baby and feed it, you

854
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: want to take your shirt off first so that the

855
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: baby's got some form of skin to skin contact while

856
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 1: she's she's eating. I never did that. Well, I it's

857
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever too late. Yeah. Now I

858
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: would be like, what are you doing? Um, it's a

859
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: new thing we're trying. So, Uh, you don't want to

860
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: have your baby laying down flat. Um. You want your

861
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: baby the head elevated a little bit or you know,

862
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: flat out sitting up. If they have reflux problems, you

863
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: may have to experiment a little bit with that angle. Um.

864
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: But uh, the one thing you definitely don't want to

865
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: do is just prop the bottle because that has four

866
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: specific problems that can happen, uh ear infections, perhaps because

867
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: the formula just floats right into the middle ear. Yeah, um,

868
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: feeding longer then uh they might normally um and then

869
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: decreased emotional and physical satisfaction from getting held right and

870
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: apparently also increases the potential for cavities too. Yeah. So

871
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is like we're talking about you shouldn't

872
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: put your baby down into like even if your baby

873
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: can hold the bottle, you shouldn't lay your baby down

874
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: in a crib like a bedtime and say here's your

875
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: bottle to put you to sleep and then leave the

876
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: room because and that and this is a little bit

877
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: different than just bottle propping. But there are a lot

878
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: of uh dangers there. One tooth decay of course, because

879
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: the last thing that should happen is toothbrushing, uh, ear infections, choking,

880
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: and then just this sleep association. Um, you don't want

881
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: your baby to be dependent on having that bottle to

882
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: fall asleep, right, You're not doing yourself any favors there,

883
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: and sleep training, good point. So that's in the crib,

884
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: leaving the baby with the bottle slightly different the bottle

885
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: and sure, um, when you are feeding an actual infant

886
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: um and you have to hold them up basically and

887
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: feed them with the bottle. Um. One of the one

888
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: of the things I think you said was that you

889
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: you have a lot of um opportunity for eye contact. Right,

890
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: it's one of the benefits of holding the baby water feeding.

891
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: But you also want to be sure to hold the

892
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: baby with your left arm one time and then the

893
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: next time hold the baby through right arm and just

894
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: keep going back and forth, because apparently their eyes can

895
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: develop um uh. One one can develop more strongly than

896
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: the other. If it's if the baby is fed facing

897
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: the same way all the time, baby, you'll look up.

898
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: It's it's funny, it's intuitive. But I could totally see

899
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: not even thinking about that, never thought about it. Yeah. Uh.

900
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: You want to keep that um nipple full of milk

901
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: at all times, which means keeping it uh point down,

902
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: because you want to decrease the amount of air, because

903
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: that will make your baby gassy. The more air that

904
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: baby drinks are swallows while eating the gassier. Uh. He's

905
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna be right. And when you are feeding your baby,

906
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: apparently it's good to to burp him midway between the feeding.

907
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Definitely after each feeding yeah, midway for a while and

908
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: then eventually um just after and burping is they're there

909
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: are different ways from over the shoulder, like the sort

910
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: of classic over the shoulder. You want to go high though,

911
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: and make sure there's some pressure on the abdomen um too,

912
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: putting just sitting a baby on your lap sideways and

913
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: holding her under the chin, uh and then padding the

914
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: back or just across the lap again with the pressure

915
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: on the abdomen and you know you want to. People

916
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: are a little timid, I think at first because little

917
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: tiny babies seem so fragile, but they're not as f

918
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: toil as you think, and just tiny little soft pats

919
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: is doing literally nothing to get that burp out. So

920
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: if you've ever had a nurse do it for you

921
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: and show you, or your mom or someone who's had

922
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: a few kids, you might be like, oh my god,

923
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: my baby, you're beating my baby. But that's what you

924
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: want to do. I mean, obviously you don't want to,

925
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: you don't don't want to like strike them, but a

926
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: good firm pat is what it takes to get that

927
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: burp out. Like, don't be shy and uh in my case, uh,

928
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: my daughter never really burped much from burping. I would

929
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: try and try and then be like, all right, I

930
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: guess she's good. And then she would like sit up

931
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: and go on her own, and you know, and then

932
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: she's kind of smiling sort of and um, you know,

933
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean whatever you can do to get that little

934
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: burp out, and burp doesn't always come out, so if

935
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: you try it for a few minutes it doesn't happen,

936
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: then you know they might be good. Yeah, which I'll

937
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: be is not not into it all that. Some babies

938
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: have just been pounded on for days because the parents

939
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: yea burp so chuck. Um you were saying before that, Um.

940
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: One of the great things about bottle feeding is that

941
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: it allows other people to share in some of the

942
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: feeding as well. Right, Um, it's not as mom who's

943
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: responsible for feeding the baby, dads can too and other people,

944
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: like I said, the male carrier whoever. Um. But the

945
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: the idea that it's not just um sharing responsibility but

946
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: also like an opportunity to get to like get closer

947
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: to your kid as a dads has got to be

948
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: pretty appealing as far as the concept of bottle feeding goes, right,

949
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it's when you're breastfeeding. Apparently there's a

950
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: U there is a phenomenon among some some men where

951
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: they actually become jealous of either their wife or their baby.

952
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: You're both because of the bond that's being formed in

953
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: the amount of attention and time that's being given to

954
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: the baby through breastfeeding. Yeah, I've heard of that. You

955
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: have heard of it. I hadn't heard of it until

956
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: I ran into this. Yeah, I've heard of it. I

957
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: mean i'd say, just getting their dad and you can

958
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: still be a part of things. Yeah, yeah, you totally

959
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: your breastfeeding. Well, I'll just go in the other room then,

960
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, like sit down with them. Yeah yeah, I say,

961
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: can your act together? Ye? Getting jealous of your baby

962
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: because it's being breastfed. Uh. As far as when, um,

963
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: there are a couple of methods of feedings, UM, demand

964
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: feeding versus scheduled Uh. I only have my own experience,

965
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: which was my daughter just fell into her own routine basically,

966
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: and it worked out to be a scheduled routine. UM

967
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: that was pretty pretty tight, like you know, down to

968
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: the you know, ten or fifteen minutes apart on a

969
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: daily basis when it was clear it So it ended

970
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: up being scheduled, but she sort of set the schedule.

971
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: That means it's pretty cool, you know. Um, but you know,

972
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: there are two different schools of thought. You can try

973
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: and stick to that schedule, um, but you may be

974
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, pushing that that rock up the hill constantly,

975
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: in which case you might want to think about demand feeding,

976
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: which is I feed my baby when my baby says

977
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: they're hungry. Yeah, and I was, I was researching this

978
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, it seems like setting the

979
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: schedules the smartest thing to do. And then I thought, oh, well,

980
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: the baby kind of lets you know when here she's hungry,

981
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't necessarily stick to the schedule. So I'm

982
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: sure the idea of sending the schedules goes right out

983
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: the window and the baby's like screaming, you know. So yeah.

984
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: The problem with demand feeding, though, is that, um, your

985
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: baby might come to say, oh, this is this is enough,

986
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: This will be enough for this hour. I'll see you

987
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: in another hour and do that like fifteen times a day. Yeah.

988
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: One thing I do recommend, and uh is to track it.

989
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: Uh we we just got it like a viral notebook

990
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: and track to the times and the amounts because even

991
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: though you think like no, no, no, I'm keeping up

992
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: with it. It's it's really easy to forget how much

993
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: they've had that day, and you don't want to over

994
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: feed them or underfeed there. So just yeah, we just

995
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: kept a little daily log made it super easy. Did

996
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: you get the spiral notebook? Warmer too? Did? Actually it

997
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: was very nice. Nice, it's good. At first I was like,

998
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: who needs it? But then every time I put it

999
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: on my lap it was all cold, and so, oh,

1000
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: this is nice. Yeah, that's very nice. So so as

1001
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: a dad being able to feed your your kid, I mean,

1002
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: like that that has to be pretty special, right, it's

1003
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, And that is one of the huge

1004
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: benefits of bottle feeding that that the dad gets to

1005
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: do that too. Um. And just kind of from the research,

1006
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: I got the impression that a lot of dad's kind

1007
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: of take this hands off thing where it's like, that's

1008
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: your thing, you feed the baby, I'll I'll go make

1009
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: some money outdoors or something like that, right, And and

1010
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: the the idea of the dad being involved in the feeding,

1011
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: Like that's part of the thing about bottle feeding the

1012
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: kids that the dad can be involved, and so the

1013
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: dad should be involved probably in more ways than he

1014
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: even imagines in a lot of cases too. Yeah, like

1015
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: not just actually feeding the baby, but actually knowing how

1016
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: much formula is needed to prepare and that kind of stuff. Yeah,

1017
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: just like, be involved is the best advice. And that's

1018
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of what this article says that you sourced here. Like,

1019
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, don't be a chromagnant or a dad from

1020
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: like the nineteen thirties. You know, just be involved. Like

1021
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: if if, uh, your wife is breastfeeding or bottle feeding

1022
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: and she wants to do it, and she likes a

1023
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: nice quiet scene and she doesn't want the dogs barking

1024
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like set up the bedroom and light a candle,

1025
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: take the dogs on a walk, but on some music

1026
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: like run interference. If the phone rings, you know, go

1027
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: get the phone. Just like, be involved, right, and if

1028
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: you're if your wife or if the mom does choose

1029
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: to breastfeed, if that is where you guys go with it.

1030
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: There's also other stuff you can do too that that

1031
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: isn't just feeding. Like you in the middle of the night,

1032
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: you can go get the baby, bring baby two moms,

1033
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: or take baby back to bed, hang out with baby

1034
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: for a little while while you're burping him or her UM.

1035
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff you can do, including apparently

1036
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: unwavering support with whatever choice the mom makes as far

1037
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: as or you and the mom, I should say make

1038
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: um as far as feeding the baby goes, especially apparently

1039
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to breastfeeding, because again, um, I guess

1040
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: studies have shown that the dad's support, encouragement, and involvement

1041
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: in the choice to breastfeed UM has a huge impact

1042
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: on how long breastfeeding continues. To imagine, but I I

1043
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: would guess the same thing goes for formula. To Like,

1044
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: if you're a mom who decided it that you just

1045
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: want to feed your baby formula, you're gonna catch a

1046
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: lot of statics. So if you're the dad, you should

1047
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: be able to run interference for her as well to

1048
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: um with friends, family, all that chance. Yeah, go fight somebody. Yeah,

1049
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: it's funny. All this stuff seems just intuitive to me

1050
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: and guys like you who you know, it's not like

1051
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: husband wife chores. It's like we just all support each other.

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Speaker 1: But I have like friends that you know, like, oh

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Speaker 1: I didn't wake up you know when my wife would did?

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Speaker 1: What could I do? And I'm like, what year is it?

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Speaker 1: I don't have boobs, like, dude, play play a part,

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Speaker 1: Get up, get out of bed, right, I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: not every time, like maybe you can work out the

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Speaker 1: schedule and stuff, or maybe your wife is like, no,

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Speaker 1: you totally sleep through the night tonight, but you know,

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Speaker 1: offer sure, And you know, I bet your wife might say, yeah,

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: that'd be great. Go get the baby, bring it to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I thought you'd never ask take her back burper. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This this kind of stuff reminds me of that that

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Speaker 1: parenting class that margin Homer Simpson had to go to

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Speaker 1: you once, and the instructors like, remember you place your

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Speaker 1: milk in the refrigerator or barring that in a cool

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: wet sack, you know, and Homer was just writing it

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Speaker 1: all down. Get involved, guys, get your head out of

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Speaker 1: your key stir. This is what I say. What else

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Speaker 1: you got? I got nothing else? Oh? This article from

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Speaker 1: House to Work says don't feed your baby junker, junk

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Speaker 1: food or alcohol. Dad's yeah we forgot about that part.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I know that that was huge in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: like here's have a little beer, baby, dip that pacifier

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Speaker 1: and whiskey. Yeah you know they used to Yeah, they

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01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: used to do stuff like that. There was like this, Um,

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Speaker 1: what's the I guess it was colic? Is that that's

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Speaker 1: the one where the baby's just crying NonStop? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Colic is uh supposed to be I'm not supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible. There was a colic remedy um that it

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Speaker 1: was basically consistent of like these needles and like you

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: just kind of scraped the baby's skin with it, and

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: the active ingredient was morphine that trickled down the needles

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Speaker 1: and entered the baby's blood stream and that's what cured

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Speaker 1: the colic. Wow. Yeah, they used to do all sorts

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Speaker 1: of crazy stuff up to again about the seventies. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I do have one more thing. I would just offer

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Speaker 1: a general advice to hang in there if you're a

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01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: new parent. Um, Emily and I got super super lucky

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Speaker 1: with great sleep habits and great eating habits and just

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01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: all this intuitive stuff that we had nothing to do with. Um,

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: you can try your best to do everything you can,

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01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: and you may feel helpless because that little, that little

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: uh model of sunshine is ruling your household and you

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01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: you might be trying your darnists for sleep or for

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01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: eating and this and that and nothing is working. And um,

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01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: you know it's not your fault like hanging there, because

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01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: it will change. And that goes for good stuff. Just

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: when you think everything's going great, something will change and

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: then you'll take two steps back, just you know, hanging there.

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: It'll all work itself out. So the government should give

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Speaker 1: every new parent a good formula, a bottle warmer, and

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: one of those hanging yeah, and one of those hanging

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01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: their kiddie posters inspirational posts. If you want to know

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01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: more about breastfeeding well, brothers and sisters, there is plenty

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01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: more to it. Um. You can just start researching online,

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01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: talk to a doctor you trust, electation consultant, uh, friend

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01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: who's breastfed, a friend who's used formula. Put it all together.

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Speaker 1: Form your own opinion. Uh. And in the meantime, since

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Speaker 1: I said form your own opinion, it's time for a listener.

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Speaker 1: May all. I'm gonna call this a a suggestion. We

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Speaker 1: don't usually read suggestions, but this I've never heard of this, dude,

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Speaker 1: so I'm reading it. Um. John Evans, a young man

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Speaker 1: from North Wales the very late eighteenth century, agreed to

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Speaker 1: explore the American interior with his friend, uh. Yolo morgen Wig.

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Speaker 1: I think they specifically said it's not yolo. I think

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Speaker 1: you're right. It's like they said that. Oh was like,

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Speaker 1: you're right, people say yolo, but Welsh people don't care

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Speaker 1: for that. Sorry about that. So they didn't say how

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Speaker 1: to pronounce it though, they like, just figure it out yourself, chumps.

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Speaker 1: That says you say that, Oh like the first one

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Speaker 1: octopus and the h l or I as a yeah,

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Speaker 1: so iyoway, I'll I'll try and be brief. He tried

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Speaker 1: to discover a Welsh speaking tribe in Middle America linked

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Speaker 1: to the Mandan tribes. We're talking like Patagoni here, not Ohio.

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Speaker 1: He went to London, sale to Boston. Uh, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's talking about Ohio. Uh. Then just walked and walked

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Speaker 1: the land. Worked for the Spanish mapping out the land,

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Speaker 1: which quickly become his auxiliary task, one that he was

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Speaker 1: very good at. Lewis and Clark actually uses maps for

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Speaker 1: the majority of their own famous expedition. Uh. Yeah. He

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Speaker 1: was sort of a diplomat, securing passage up the Mississippi

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Speaker 1: from the native tribes who then controlled it. Then headed

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Speaker 1: to New Orleans before realizing no such tribes existed. Um.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he's like, well it was, it was worth a try.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the guy from Super Furry Animals Um Griff rise

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Speaker 1: Rees Griff Reese. By the way, did you ever like them?

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Speaker 1: Did you? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I was into them for

1139
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Speaker 1: a while. Like they opened um for Granddaddy one time,

1140
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: and you won't find a bigger Granddaddy fan than me.

1141
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: But they like it was one of the few times

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Speaker 1: where the opening act blew the mains act off the

1143
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: stage from Oh yeah that that dude is a genius

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01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: musically intellectually he's awesome. Yeah, I agree, and I like

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01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: them um as a band, but like I was not

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Speaker 1: expecting that out of the live show. Yeah, like it

1147
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: blew my mind. Are they still around? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I know they had an album

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01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: like in the last several years, last few years. I

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Speaker 1: need to get back into that anyway, and not to

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Speaker 1: not Grand Daddy. Of course they were still great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He from Super Furry Animals made a book, a film,

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Speaker 1: an app and an album about the story and retraced

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01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: his journey in person. What I believe he is actually

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Speaker 1: distantly related. Oh that's cool. We gotta check that out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. So he said this will make a great podcast. Dudes,

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Speaker 1: do yourselves a favorite a least and look up the

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Speaker 1: book American Interior and the same title as the album

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Speaker 1: and give it a read. So that is from David

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Speaker 1: Evans and I'm totally going to look that up. It's

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Speaker 1: a call again American Interior. And then the guy's name

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Speaker 1: was John Evans, nice the explorer. Well, thanks a lot

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Speaker 1: who wrote them? Who wrote in now David Evans and

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Speaker 1: alive lots of Evans going on. Thanks a lot, David.

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: We appreciate that forgiving us that heads up. Will definitely

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: check it out. If you want to get in touch

1167
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: with us like David did, you can tweet to us

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: at s Y s K podcast or Josh um Clark.

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Speaker 1: You can hang out with Chuck on Facebook at Chuck

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant at Facebook dot com. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: can hang out with us at Facebook dot com, slash

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know dot com for more on this

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