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Speaker 1: This is the OTP, better known as the Official Titans Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Wells, and we are joined by a very

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Speaker 1: special guest today. Spend the NFL as a coach for

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Speaker 1: a very long time, over thirty years, and more importantly,

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Speaker 1: he is returning as the Titans radio color analyst coach

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Speaker 1: Mac Dave McGinnis. How are you, Amy, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be sitting here in the facility

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Speaker 1: at the OTP with you and Jeff. This is outstanding.

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Speaker 1: We are very good, so good, so good. It feels

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Speaker 1: good to be back though it's football time, right. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we're getting the band back together. It feels good. No,

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Speaker 1: it always does, and that's this time of year. You know,

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Speaker 1: having been involved in this as long as I had,

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Speaker 1: you always this is the time when it's winding down,

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Speaker 1: you know. I talk about from a coach and a

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Speaker 1: player perspective. I mean every day you wake up, you look,

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Speaker 1: you know it's coming. You know, training camps coming. But

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Speaker 1: about this time, everybody's ready for it to be here

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Speaker 1: because and especially with the anticipations as exciting as this

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Speaker 1: year is going to be for all of us here

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Speaker 1: with the Titans in Nashville, the anticipation. I promise you

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Speaker 1: these coaches they've been ready to go back to work

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Speaker 1: for about the last week because you can only take

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Speaker 1: off so much time in this league. There's definitely an

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Speaker 1: energy in this building. It really kind of feels like

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Speaker 1: the first day of school. You know, people are starting

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Speaker 1: to trickle back into the building and your senior, old friends,

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Speaker 1: You're getting back into the routine. There's definitely an excitement

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Speaker 1: around here. No, there's a real excitement, you know. I

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Speaker 1: just I got back to town in Nashville about ten

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Speaker 1: days ago, you know, and got my place, you know,

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Speaker 1: set up here, and you can feel and I've already

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Speaker 1: been out, you know, in the city quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: and you can just feel the anticipation. This is a

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Speaker 1: great foot city. It's a great football region. It really is,

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Speaker 1: and you can you can feel it. And this building.

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Speaker 1: I said this last year and I'll repeat it again.

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Speaker 1: The atmosphere and the vibe and what's going on in

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Speaker 1: this franchise is really really solid. I've been in this

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take long to look at something and say

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Speaker 1: going sideways. This place here is going in the right direction,

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Speaker 1: and it starts at the top, you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: Amy Adam Strunk has impressed me so much with what

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Speaker 1: she's done, you know, she and Kenneth Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the ownership, and then all the way through you know,

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Speaker 1: to the front office. Uh. John Robinson. I thought Mike

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Speaker 1: Vrabel was a tremendous hire. I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: these coaches on this staff and plus I'll just say

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Speaker 1: this the support group for the Titans. The eight years

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Speaker 1: same people are still here. They are first class people

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League, and this is it's exciting

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Speaker 1: to be a part of it. And I'm I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy to be a part of it. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that they wanted me back to do this.

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Speaker 1: I had other choices to go other places, but this

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Speaker 1: things going on here and it's going to be very

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Speaker 1: very exciting. Well, Coach Mac, in your first year as

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Speaker 1: an analyst for Titans Radio, was there something that surprised

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Speaker 1: you about that? Was there something that kind of struck

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Speaker 1: you as Oh, I wasn't expecting that amy there was

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Speaker 1: because you know, I've spent you know, over forty years

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Speaker 1: being on the other side of the microphone. When I

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Speaker 1: it was very impressive when I first started doing games.

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Speaker 1: You know. Of course, when I came in last year,

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Speaker 1: That impressed me. The other thing that I really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: it very seriously. And I'll just say this, you and

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Speaker 1: I know, I mean preparing for games last year, you

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Speaker 1: I grinded tape last year getting ready for this aspect

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Speaker 1: we did it. We did it together. You can sit

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Speaker 1: And with a good atmosphere, you get good results. That's

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Speaker 1: having fun. Well, And you have a familiarity with the Titans,

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Speaker 1: obviously you were a coach here for a number of years.

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Speaker 1: Does that help you in getting ready for games and

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Speaker 1: I love the city. And then you know, as I said,

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Speaker 1: it was outstanding, and I had some opportunities to do

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Speaker 1: And then when I got back and saw even how

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad I made that decision, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: someone who has been a part of so many NFL

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Speaker 1: because that's a great question. But I mean, you and

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Speaker 1: and Ashley Ferrell both you guys were great students last

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Speaker 1: the rhyme and the reason for things. Football is a

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Speaker 1: simple sport, but it's a very detailed sport, and once

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to enjoy it. It's fun. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, when I watched and we watched

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Speaker 1: helps you anticipate things. And you know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: because you know we've talked about it. And when you

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Speaker 1: end of it. Amy. I was never yelling at you.

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Speaker 1: I was never yelling at you about it just about you.

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Speaker 1: You heard one of the thing that I really and

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Speaker 1: again I'm serious, I really appreciated about you and about Askley.

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Speaker 1: You guys wanted to learn and you did learn, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's to me. And again, as a coach, you

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Speaker 1: know for forty plus years, what you are as a coach,

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Speaker 1: boiled down to it, you're a teacher. And when you

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Speaker 1: really enjoy teaching is when your students really want to learn.

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Speaker 1: And that was a lot of fun last year with

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Speaker 1: It looks to me like there, I said, there you go.

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Speaker 1: anywhere and meeting anybody and telling somebody how, you know,

430
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Speaker 1: good a place TCU was, and bringing them back. So

431
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta I'm doing that for two years

432
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: as a graduate assistant, going to graduate school, and then

433
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: I get a call from battle Old, missoo, there you go. Amy.

434
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, they had a head freshman job open,

435
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: and they said, would you be interesting coming here and

436
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: doing this? You know, I was twenty four, twenty five

437
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: years old, and I went sure. So I went up there,

438
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: and I mean from there it just I mean the

439
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: next year, I'm the secondary coach at the University of

440
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: Missouri and then it went from there. And so I

441
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: loved football. I loved doing it. But I'm not going

442
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: to sit here and lie to you and say this

443
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: is all I ever wanted to do. But I knew this,

444
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: this is what I loved doing, and once I got

445
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: into it, I mean, come on, I mean it's been

446
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: a great, great life. And then this part of it,

447
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, here we are again. But it was it

448
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: wasn't something that was planned, but it was something It's

449
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: something that was very much appreciate it. I promise you.

450
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: It's a grind though, I mean, the coaching life is

451
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: not always an easy one. What keeps you coming back

452
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: from more? You love it? I mean, you absolutely love

453
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: doing it. I mean it's just like you. You love

454
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: doing this. I mean you, I mean you, I mean,

455
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: and it's you've got a passion for it. Because especially

456
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: when you're starting out in anything, you have to be

457
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: willing to do whatever you need to do to learn

458
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: the business. But at the same time, if you're doing

459
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: something that you truly love to do, and I think

460
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: you can't fake that. Sooner or later, there's time if

461
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: you're going to get tough enough in anything that you're

462
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: doing that if you really don't enjoy it, you can't

463
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: fake it. It's you know you're going to be done

464
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: with it to I love doing this. I love football,

465
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: I love the interaction with people. I love the competition.

466
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: I loved getting ready. I like the adrinaline push for

467
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: three hours out there, I mean that whole thing. I

468
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: mean my career. I mean I couldn't. I mean, I've

469
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: interviewed for three head jobs in this league. I've gotten

470
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: two of them. I mean, I was head to the

471
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: Bears for six hours and didn't know it for three.

472
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got I've got so many stories in me.

473
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 1: I've got a group to three groups right now. They

474
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: want me to do a book. I mean, come on,

475
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in a small town in

476
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: West Texas, and for me to have come where I've

477
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: come because of football, how can I not love it? Man,

478
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: you could write a pretty compelling book too. I'm sure

479
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: I've got people that want me to do that. Right now.

480
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm not through with this business because I'm gonna when

481
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: I do the book, I'm gonna do it like I

482
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: do everything else in life. I'm gonna tell the truth.

483
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: And sometimes when you tell the truth, some people have

484
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: problems with it. H Well, that's interesting. Well, as long

485
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: as my name doesn't pop up in that, it will

486
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: be good. So far, so far, you're part of the chapter.

487
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: You're good, You're good. We're still working on it though

488
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: there's still time. There's still time. Coach. In all of

489
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: your experience, you've had a lot of interaction with some

490
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: pretty phenomenal players. Are there some that stick out to

491
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: you as guys that you enjoyed coaching the most. Not

492
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: necessarily the best athletes on the field, but the guys

493
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: that you enjoyed teaching the most well. I mean start

494
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: out with I mean my first experience in this league,

495
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: my first guy was Mike Singletary. It's a good place

496
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: to start. I mean it was a tremendous place to start.

497
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was outstanding. I mean I had Mike Singletary,

498
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: I had Ron Rivera. I mean those guys were real,

499
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: real people. I mean that whole group I started out

500
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: with with the Bears was amazing. You know. I had

501
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: a Nias Williams at the Cardinals, who is one of

502
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: the best human beings in the world, you know, much

503
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: less being a Hall of Fame player. I mean, those,

504
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: you know, just a tremendous When I coached here, I

505
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: coached some tremendous, tremendous human beings here. I can start

506
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: rattling off the guys that I've been around here. Keith

507
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: Bullocks one of my favorite people ever, because I mean

508
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: when I came here with Keith, I mean was he

509
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: was getting close to being making his breakthrough in the league.

510
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: And he was. He was a wonderful player. David Thornton,

511
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: you know who I coached here, who's now the you know,

512
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: the player programs director of the Indianapolis Colts. A wonderful

513
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: human being I've had. I've been blessed with so many people.

514
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: I've been involved with six Hall of Famers, but even

515
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: guys that aren't in the Hall of Fame. I mean,

516
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: I can go through the list. I mean, I've got

517
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: a couple of guys on this staff here, you know,

518
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Tyrone mackenzie and I never coached Tye. I've always had

519
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: a very close eye on him. We were very close

520
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: to drafting him that draft year that when we took

521
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Gerald McGrath here, and then I tried to hire Tyrone twice.

522
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, got him involved in the in the Bill

523
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: Walsh program. What a tremendous human being. Rob Moore on

524
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: this staff now. Rob played for me in Arizona. One

525
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: of the best people I've ever been around, and also

526
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting players I've ever been around.

527
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Uh did you know, have you ever have you ever

528
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: watched the movie? Uh? Show me the money? What's what's

529
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: the name of it? Oh, Jerry Quire, Yeah, you know

530
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: they filmed part of that at our facility there in

531
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Arizona when we were out there. Really no, it was cool.

532
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: It was so cool. So I was there, you know,

533
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: doing all that. Well, the game scenes are the Cardinals

534
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys game scenes and footage, you know, Tidwell War eighty five. Well,

535
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: Rob Moore was in the movie doing I mean, so

536
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: I've done some stuff. But Rob Moore and I went

537
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: door to door on a Saturday before the game before

538
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: the vote for that new stadium that's sitting out there

539
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Rob Moore, myself and Jake Plummer on a

540
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Saturday before the game. We played the Washington Redskins on

541
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: a Sunday before the vote. On Tuesday, we went door

542
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: to door at eight o'clock in the morning soliciting votes

543
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: with a camera crew. Uh so yeah, I've got a

544
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: real affinity for those kind of guys too. We've got

545
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: to talk about this Jerry McGuire thing. How in those

546
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: worlds did that come to be? How did that come

547
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: to fruition even why Arizona. That's where they wanted. They

548
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: they wanted they wanted to use the facility. They wanted

549
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: to they they wanted it to be you know about

550
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: that team, not only not so much that team, they

551
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: wanted it to be in that region, in that area.

552
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: They were there for two weeks. We gave him our

553
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: our facility for two weeks. It was so cool, Amy,

554
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm I'm down there with now. That

555
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: was Kuba Goodings Junior is kind of coming out things.

556
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: So I was, you know, there in our locker room

557
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: with him, with Tom Cruise and Paula Abduel was there.

558
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: Paula Abduel was a choreographer for all of the end

559
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: zone dances and stuff that we went through two weeks.

560
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: It was so cool. It was a lot of fun.

561
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so much fun being around that

562
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: for two weeks and just watching you talk about something interesting.

563
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: Of course, I just spent two years out there in

564
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: La you know, and around that stuff, and you you

565
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: talk about behind the scenes stuff when a movie's being made.

566
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was so much fun for two weeks.

567
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: Did you get to be like on the set while there.

568
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were there in the locker room. We

569
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: were I'll tell you a story. They have they have,

570
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I got to know, you know, some

571
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: of the people doing it when they're setting up and

572
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: doing what they call blocking scenes. You know, they need

573
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: people to stand in that are, you know, to kind

574
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: of block in and see you know. Of course I was,

575
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, around there all the time, and so they

576
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: Coach Mack, would you want to stand in this week

577
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: and block and see where they Well? Sure, I mean

578
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: it was so much fun. I mean, and then to

579
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: watch it. And then when you watch the movie, you're going, whoa,

580
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. You're so Hollywood. I had no idea that's

581
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: the first thing people think about when they think about

582
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: Coach Max's Hollywood. I'm sure. Well, I mean, but you

583
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: have had a lot of experiences off the football field.

584
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been involved in some pretty cool things.

585
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean it goes back to the whole

586
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: football thing, you know, growing up in a small town

587
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: in West Texas and evolving to hear That's why. I mean,

588
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative of everything I've had, and I hope

589
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: that comes through when we're doing our broadcast and talking

590
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, to the people you know and with the people.

591
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: I love doing that because I really, you know, I

592
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: realize how fortunate I've been, and I realized, you know,

593
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: what a blessing it's been for me to be able

594
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: to do this, and some of them, my greatest moments

595
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: in this league are being able to bring those people

596
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: that I grew up with, family, friends that would have

597
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: never an opportunity to do this, And hopefully that's what

598
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: we can do on the broadcast is bring people in

599
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: to what's going on. That's why I love this city.

600
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: That's why I like going out and doing things with

601
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: the fans and being involved. You know, I mean it,

602
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: because that's important because everybody that I mean, fans are

603
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: what make this work. Really I mean, I mean, it

604
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: really is I mean. And again, as I say, I've

605
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: been so blessed, I mean to be in some of

606
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: the places I've been, and I've made friends for life.

607
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: I made a lot of friends for life here in

608
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Nashville for eight years, and hopefully I'm still making some more.

609
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: What's left on your bucket list? What haven't you done

610
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: that you would like to do? Haven't been on a

611
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: team that's won a Super Bowl. Well, let's do that. Yes,

612
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: And that's again, that's why I say to me that

613
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: that to me in all of these years and have

614
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: been close so many times with so many great teams,

615
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: and that's why you know to understand the grind and

616
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: the and what it takes to do that. I still

617
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: want to be a part of that. Well, if you

618
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: hang around here long enough, well I'm maybe I know,

619
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll let me hang around a while. Uh, let's

620
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: get that done. You're ready for Titans football. You're ready

621
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: to get this thing started. Yes, let's go. I'm ready

622
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: to start watching more film with you and Ashley. That's

623
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: what I'm ready to do. I've got it ready. I'm

624
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: ready to see. I'm ready to see how much work

625
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: y'all have done in the offseason. I mean you and asked.

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I want to be sure you and Ashley hadn't just

627
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: been hanging out on the beach for three months. Well okay, Well,

628
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: no promises, we'll get things figured out. Coach Mac. It

629
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: is so so good to have you here, so good

630
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: to have you back, and I'm ready to get going. Amy,

631
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. This is great. Can't can't wait

632
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: to get started. All right, everybody, this has been the OTP.

633
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Coach Mac one of our greatest guests yet. And the

634
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: next time we see you guys, it is going to

635
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: be training camp time. There will be football back here

636
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: at St Thomas Sports Park and we will see you then.

637
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: For Coach Mac, I'm Amy Wells and this has been

638
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Speaker 1: the ot P