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Somebody came to me and told me 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: that my grandson was a witness to that murder and 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: that's when he went missing. Give me a kiss on 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: the jaw and a hook and say, granted, I'll see 23 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: you later. I didn't have no idea that I wouldn't 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: see him no more after that. I'm asking you if 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: you want me to beg that's fine, but I know 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: that there has to be somebody out there with the 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: heart that can say something. Say something, Just tell somebody 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: where he at. Well, you know you just could we 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: want some closure. Help me, help me help a mother 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: who is desperate at this hour. For all of you mothers, 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: all of you father's grandparents out there listening now. Eighteen 32 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: boy is gone and he is beautiful, loving, good student everything. 33 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: His mom is heart broken. Please help us, I mean, 34 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 35 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: with us. I'm going to go straight out to Cheryl 36 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: McCullum with a cold case Research Institute, the director and 37 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: crime scene investigator. Cheryl McCullum, tell me the best fans 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: fourteen years old, funny, fabulous, standout football star, tons of friends, 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: supported family, no police records, no prom to anybody. Grandmama 40 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: was raising. He loved her, Nacy Um. He just was 41 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: a standout kids. Everybody knew him, real, easy smile, a 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: little mischievous um. Loves video games and girls and his 43 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: cell phone. That's what every single person told me. Cheryl, 44 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: you are actually bringing me to cheers because you have 45 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: just described my son, John David to a t. You know, 46 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: we have secret signs that mean I love you. And 47 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: that's what I look forward to every morning is seeing 48 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: John David and Lucy. And that's what I look forward 49 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: to every night is putting them to sleep. And all 50 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: the time in between. This mother is desperate and we 51 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: need your help so much. Joining me in addition to 52 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Institute, Dr Carol Lieberman, 53 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, also with me private eye Vincent Hill, and 54 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: straight back to Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl, how did he go missing? 55 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he was laughing at a Labor Day barbecue where 56 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: tons of family and friends were at. He went to 57 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: his grandmama and said, hey, I'll see you later. Kids. 58 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: Throw on the cheek. She said, I love you, and 59 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: that was it. Nobody had seen him. There. We are 60 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: talking about a missing teen boy, and so often when 61 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: we hear teen boy missing everybody thinks the worst. I think, Ah, 62 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: he's involved in something nefarious. He did this, he did that, 63 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: he was running with the wrong crowd, blah blah blah. 64 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: What was he mixed up in? That is so not 65 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: the case with this young boy. This boy had never 66 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: been in a bit of trouble. Great student, football star, 67 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: just gorgeous boy. His mom heart broken. If you could 68 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: see this kid's smile. I looking at some of their posts, Cheryl, 69 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: They're desperate, They're near posting we need this baby home. 70 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: We are not okay, begging people for help. I don't 71 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: understand how he went missing. Let's go back to the facts. 72 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: That's where I start. When I don't know what to do. 73 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: It's like trying over and over and over to put 74 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: together a Rubic's cube that just doesn't seem to fit, 75 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: and you you play with it, and you play with it, 76 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: and you start over, and you start over, and you 77 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: fit one piece together and then suddenly another piece doesn't fit. 78 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: That's how this is working. Right now, we are digging 79 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: into the case of a missing Sarah Soda teen boy 80 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: with one of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. We're 81 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: talking about Jabez Span. Now you say he goes missing, 82 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: but where, when? Why? How? He literally is on his 83 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: street in Newtown and walks away because Grandma doesn't see 84 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: exactly where he goes. No friend has come forward, no 85 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: neighbor has come forward. There's no surveillance tape where he's 86 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: been a convenient store or you know, library or anything. 87 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: He's simply vanished. But there's a twist Nancy. On August, 88 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: a man by the name of Travis Combs was murdered 89 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: in Newtowns four hundred and fifty three ft from Jabez's 90 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: grandmama's front door. Someone came forward and told the family 91 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: and then separately their private investigator, that Jabez witnessed the 92 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: murder of Travis Holmes and said, you know, y'all shot him, 93 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: y'all killed him. And so there is great fear that 94 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: he was want a witness to a murder and now 95 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: is a missing person. For any of you that know 96 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 1: anything out this missing child, the tipline on three six 97 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: six tips t I p. S. Nine one three six six, 98 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: eight four seven seven. The fear amongst the family and 99 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: neighborhood is that this young boy witnessed a crime and 100 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: now he is missing. I mean I wonder sometimes what 101 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: our world has come to when a young boy is 102 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: kidnapped or murdered because of what he saw. It's what 103 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: they write about in movies and TV shows. But this 104 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: is real and the pain of his family is real. 105 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Is there a street code of silence? If so, it 106 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: is so misguided. What do we know about this boy? 107 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: We're too talking about a fourteen year old kid. Jabez 108 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: span has never been in trouble, doesn't have a rap sheet, 109 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: went to school every day, played on the football team, 110 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: loved his mother joining me. Dr Carol Lieberman, forensic psychiatrist, 111 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: author of a brand new book you can find that 112 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: on Amazon, Lions and Tigers and Terrorists, Oh My, How 113 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: to Protect your child in a time of terror, Dr 114 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman, nothing could be more on point right now? 115 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: How can we protect our children? And what went wrong? 116 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Carol? When I was growing up, I would 117 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: come home do my homework. I was a latch key kid. 118 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: I would get on my bicycle and pedal pedal, pedal, pedal, 119 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: play in the woods and streams, spot birds, chase whatever 120 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: I heard in the woods, if it was a kitty 121 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: kat or a squirrel or whatever there was, and it 122 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: was only until five or six o'clock when it was 123 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: beginning to get dark. I'd peddle that bike back home 124 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: and that was Okay, that's not true now, Dr Carol, Yes, 125 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: people are kids. It's it's even dangerous for kids to 126 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: be in their front yard these days. To Cheryl McCollum, 127 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, let me understand, 128 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: who is Mr Parker? Is he a neighbor? What if 129 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: anything did he see or hear? He saw Jabez in 130 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, witnessed the crime and heard him say allegedly, 131 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: y'all killed ing. So again Nancy for me. You know, 132 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: his statement was y'all killed them, not they killed them, 133 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: which says to me, Jabez knew the people involved with 134 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: the murder of Travis Holmes. To Dr Carroll Lieberman, forensic 135 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: psychiatrist and author of a Brandy book, Dodger Laberman, how 136 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: did a good kid like Jabez somehow get mixed up 137 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: in a murder that he had nothing to do with 138 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: and now he's paying the price. Yes, he was in 139 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time, that's all it 140 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: amounts to. Um, it's a really you know, one of 141 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: the things that For me, most frustrating about this story 142 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: is that the police didn't take this report about his 143 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: having witnessed a murder or and said that, you know, 144 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: you all killed him man or his words to that effect. 145 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: They didn't take that seriously. They thought it was just 146 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: a rumor. So a lot of precious time was lost. 147 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's possible that he left on his own 148 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: because he was afraid that the people were going to 149 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: come after him, the murderers, or they might have threatened 150 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: him and said, um, if you tell we're gonna hurt 151 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: your family. You know, Dr Carol Labraman, I'm typically on 152 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: the same page as you, But Chryl McCullum. For a 153 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: kid to leave home, the only thing he knew and loved, 154 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: leave his mother, which is all he had in this world, 155 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: and not not a message, not a text, not a 156 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: phone call, nothing. I I don't believe he left home. 157 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: That's the stuff that novels and movies are made up, Nancy. 158 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: He had no money, no clothes, no food, and his 159 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: cell phone stopped pinging that this is another twist in 160 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,479 Speaker 1: the story. His cellphone continued to to ping until September 161 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: the fourth um and that's when Hurricane Irma hit, and 162 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: that's when law enforcements absolutely knew they had something very 163 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: serious on their hands. Right now, the reward has been doubled, 164 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: that reward climbing now up to fifty thousand dollars. The 165 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: FBI originally contributed nine to thousand dollars, now offering forty 166 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: four thousand, and then another six thousand being kicked in 167 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: by local police and law enforcement. Jabez Span last seen 168 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: around street in sarah Sota. He was wearing a turquoise shirt. 169 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: He is five ft nine. He weighs a hundred and 170 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: twenty pounds. Sara Sota Police Department has received many tips. 171 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: Detectives remain in daily contact with a Span family, but 172 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: there's no new information in the case. To Vincent Hill, 173 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: private investigator, people don't just vanish off the face of 174 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: the earth, Vincent, there is a clue, Yeah, Nancy, people 175 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: don't vanish, especially fourteen year old boys. I have a 176 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: sixteen year old. He would have called, he would have text. 177 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: I can track his phone. I can do all of that. 178 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: So he's definitely not going to leave the house. He 179 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: gets food, comfort and things of that nature. And there's 180 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: that old street code, Nancy, that snitches get stitches, and 181 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: I think unfortunately we probably already know the outcome of 182 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: this case. I don't know the outcome of this case. 183 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: What I do know is a mother is crying at 184 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: this moment right now for her son, and we need 185 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: to pull together and help her. The family has hired 186 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: a private investigator. What should he or she be doing? 187 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: This is your specialty, Vincent Hill. Yeah, right now at 188 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: Lansy follow any lead. I mean, I would be looking 189 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: for any surveillance footage in the area. I would be 190 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: tracking down where the last location or his phone ping, 191 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: anything technology, technology base that could help me find out 192 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: where he could be. Right now, there's somebody that saw something. 193 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: Those people need to be talked to. They need to 194 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: be questioned and follow up. His birthday has come and gone, 195 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: and you know, Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Institute, 196 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: there is no way this kid would not have been 197 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 1: home for his birthday with his mom. No way. He 198 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't have missed his birthday, he wouldn't have missed his grandmother, 199 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have miss getting the learners from it 200 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Jibez's mom, Mrs Span has not seen 201 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: her son since he went missing on the family's front yard. 202 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: He was in his own front yard. How does that happen? 203 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: How can there be no clue as to where this 204 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: young boy has gone. She and others believe her son 205 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: unintentionally witnessed a murder, the murder of Travis comes, and 206 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: they believe firmly someone connected to that murder took her boy. 207 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: She is now doing her best us to stay optimistic. 208 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: She says, I don't even try and draw a conclusion. 209 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: All I want is for us to have the first 210 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: step in finding him. I have hope and I have faith. 211 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: The sarah Sota Police on the case. According to authorities quote, 212 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: no child has ever gone missing from sarah Soda. Well 213 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: they have now as a search intensifies for this boy 214 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: who disappears from his own front yard. The reward now 215 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: up to fifty thousand dollars. Cheryl McCollum joining me on 216 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: the case from the get go, Director of the Cold 217 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl, what more can you tell us? 218 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: How can you help us crack the case? Because now 219 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: I understand original witnesses, refusing to talk absolutely said he 220 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: never said that about Javan, saying to job killing. He's 221 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: saying that he never said, y'all aren't gonna like glay 222 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: his face looks, and y'all aren't gonna like where he 223 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: ends up. UM, So he has, you know, totally changed 224 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: his story in this um not wanting to cooperate anymore. 225 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't believe that there is not a clue out there. 226 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't believe that this case cannot be cracked. I 227 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: believe we can find answers for his mother. If you 228 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: can help us in the disappearance of this bright, happy, sparkly, 229 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: wonderful young boy with a million dollar smile, please call 230 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: nine four one three six six tips nine four one 231 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: three six six eight four seven seven nine four one 232 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: three six six eight thousand. There is a fifty thousand 233 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: dollar reward. Help us if there's anybody that know anything, 234 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: like don't just let him there's something, don't just let 235 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: him just be out there like that. 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Lucy 270 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Lynch did that the other day. Oh yes, she did. 271 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: When I was taking a picture of her. She actually 272 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: slept in her cheeks and did it like a little 273 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: christ doing with her lips. I wanted to say, a child, 274 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: where have you learned that? Have you been on the internet? 275 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: So I secretly ran and grabbed her iPad and did 276 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: a history search. No, she's just been watching more and 277 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: more and more gymnastic videos. Thank God, thank you Lord, 278 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: because I thought she would never get off of watching 279 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: guinea pig videos, hence the two guinea pigs that are 280 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: in a cage in her bedroom. So gymnastic videos is 281 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: a nice relief. But I don't know where she learned 282 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: that little pout. But this lady has definitely got one 283 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: in her photo. This gorgeous young Alabama mom seemingly did 284 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: no wrong doing except whoopsie and expired license tag. Right 285 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: wait'll I tell you what happened. Actually, let's go now 286 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: to Larry Mayheer Crime Stories investigative reporter. Larry. So, this 287 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: young mom, Julsa Gaines gets pulled over for what She 288 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: was pulled over for having an expired licensed tag as 289 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: she was driving in Jackson, Alabama, which is in the 290 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: southwestern part of the state, near Mobile. Now hold on, 291 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: so she gets pulled over for a very simple traffic stop. 292 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: Are you mean the whole plate was bad or was 293 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: it just the little sticker had expired? It was an 294 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: expired license plate? Okay, keep going. When police first talked 295 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: to her, she gave them a different name. Let me 296 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: just stop you right there, Larry mayhe Okay, she gave 297 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: a different name. Okay, Vincent Hill, private investigator. This is 298 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: what I used to tell juries. Okay, when I see 299 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: a trooper coming up behind me with the lights on, 300 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't hit the gas and try to outrun them 301 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: and maybe jump a roadblock. I I stopped and I 302 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: pull over. Okay, that's what I used to say when 303 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: defendants would take off its flight. It's evidence of guilt. 304 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: The last thing I would do as when they asked 305 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: me to roll my window down and show license and registration. 306 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't say something like, um, what's your name? Angelina 307 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: Jolie Riese Witherspoon. No, you tell them your name because 308 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: they know all they have to do. It's a thirty 309 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: second computer search that they've got at their fingertips, like 310 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: an iPhone. Really in their car, they put your tag 311 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: in and they know who's supposed to be driving that car. Vincent, Yeah, Nancy. 312 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: And some of the biggest arrest I ever got was 313 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: from a simple traffic stop which resulted in someone giving 314 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: me a fake name. I've caught it people. I've caught 315 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: people wanted for murders, rapes, you name it, based on 316 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: a simple traffic stop and a fake name. So that 317 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: always gets the cops. I love traffic stops, you know. 318 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: Let me just tell one quick little story. So we 319 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: were driving to take the twins to something something like 320 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: Disney on ice. Um, what is it? Let it go? 321 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: Let it go? What movie was that? Frozen? Yes, Frozen 322 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: of course, of course John David was just like screaming 323 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: on the inside, but he had to go see Frozen 324 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: on Ice. So we were leaving this big arena and 325 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: I said turn left, turn left, and David goes, I'm 326 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: not supposed to just do it. He turns left and 327 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: immediately whoop. I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven. So anyway, 328 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: poor David, he's about to get a ticket. When I 329 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: decide to inject myself into this scenario, I can I 330 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: get out of the car. I walk around back. I 331 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: was just says get down. I'm like, oh, dear Lord. 332 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: Him like how my hands? And I'm like, sir, I'm 333 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: totally in our Please don't shoot me. So anyway, you 334 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: never know what's gonna happen in a simple traffic stop. 335 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, so you saying you've actually caught killers at 336 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: a traffic stop. Yes, absolutely, Nancy. I've caught three people 337 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: that were wanted for murder based on a simple, quote 338 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: unquote simple traffic stop. Wow. Okay, Larry mayhear you know. 339 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why you got off the topic the 340 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: way you did, jagging it Frozen and Disney on Ice, 341 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: But can I please get you back in the middle 342 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: of the road, Larry, So the police. The police pull 343 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: her over for a tag violation, which in that jurisdiction 344 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: is just a little You keep your same metal plate. 345 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: You just get a yearly renewal sticker. And it's a 346 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: bright color like in two thousand seventeen, it might be 347 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: bright orange. In two thousand eighteen it's blue. So cops 348 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: can look at a distance and they know immediately your sticker, 349 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: your tag is expired. So they pull her over. Okay, 350 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: what happened then? When the officers on the scene discovered 351 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: that she had lied about her name, they asked her 352 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: consent to search the car. So hold on just a moment. 353 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, they asked, it's like a vampire. 354 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: They can't come in until you invite them. Okay, you 355 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: either need probable cause or verbal consent. If that's right, 356 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: there's only two ways they can get in that trunk. Now. 357 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: Under an old U. S. Supreme Court case US versus 358 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Carol double r a double L, the government was allowed 359 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: to search cars more easily than homes and structures because 360 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: of quote exigent circumstances, which means if there's dope or 361 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: a dead body or what a stolen merchandise in that car. 362 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: The car can leave. That is an emergency and exigent circumstance. 363 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: So therefore officers need less PC probable cause to search 364 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: your car. So if a cop searches your car, you 365 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: might as well not cry about it because of us 366 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: versus carol um. Oh, just an aside, you know where 367 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: that came from, Vincent Hill, exigent circumstances. Do you know 368 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: where moonshine? Honeybun moonshine? Because when this case happened in 369 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: the U. S. Supreme Court, it was it was during 370 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: prohibition and everybody was dragging moonshine around and their trunk, 371 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: and cops, as I recall it, see a car like 372 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: weighing heavy dragon its tail and they got just got moonshine. 373 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: They pull it over and they searched it and got 374 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: the menshine. And the defense was they had no right 375 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: to search the trunk because they didn't have a warrant 376 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: and they didn't have probable cause. Hence the ruling exegent circumstances. 377 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: So you can thank some moonshine. Oh, my grandfather on 378 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: my father's side, Okay, he was known to cook up 379 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: some uh scuppernong wine in the bathtub, not judging, Okay, 380 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: Larry Mayor. So you're telling me that she was asked 381 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: can we search your trunk? Right, Larry, that's the story 382 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: that the police tell, the version of the story that 383 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: she had given a false thing. Larry, I don't like 384 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: your attitude, young man. That's the story that the police. 385 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: I was trying. I was trying not to cast in 386 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: his version said the police gave like they're lie on, 387 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: hold on, in just a moment, We're going to do 388 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: a little credibility contest in this case. So they say, 389 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Larry may Her that they said, can't we search your trunk? 390 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: And they say, she said, why yes, I'd love you 391 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: to search my trunk. Okay. Then what happened Inside the 392 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: trunk was a shoe box that had been wrapped in 393 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: either a sweater or a blanket, and inside the shoe 394 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: box was the body of an infant baby boy, which 395 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: an autopsy has determined was Julissa Gaines's son. Whoa, whoa, 396 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: whoa Wait just stop right there. You know, Larry mayhert 397 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: you said that, like, um, yeah, they got her for 398 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: throwing a beer can out the window. You Larry, you're 399 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: telling me that they search her trunk, they find a 400 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: shoe box, which tells you the size of this child 401 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: wrapped in a sweater and a blanket, and the shoe 402 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: box is the tiny baby boys body. Did you just 403 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: say that, Larry? That's correct. That's where the body of 404 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: the baby boy was found. And you want to tell 405 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: me that you believe the mom as opposed to the 406 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: police as to who said, yes, you can trunks my trunk. 407 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, she's lost this credibility contest as soon 408 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: as I find out there's a dead baby in a 409 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: shoe box in her Okay, what happened in Larry? Well, 410 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: According to the family of this woman, the baby had 411 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: been born about a week before, five to seven days 412 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: before she was stopped in the car. The total autopsy 413 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: results have not been made public. However, a medical examiner 414 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: has said that the child was born alive, was not stillborn, 415 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and had lived four or five to seven days before 416 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: he was killed. How he was killed is not yet. 417 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait. Dr Carol Liberman joining me, forensic 418 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: psychiatrist and author of a brand new book, Lions and 419 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: Tigers and Terrorists, Oh My, How to Protect Your Child 420 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: in a Time of Terror, which is now available on 421 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: Amazon dot com. Dr Carol Laberman, let me just get 422 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: my mind around this. I remember, you know, when the 423 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: twins were born. I went into intensive care with blood clots, 424 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: lots of them. It stuck in my lungs. The twins 425 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: went to the other end of the hospital, to the 426 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: nick you Neo natal intensive care unit, and we all 427 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: stayed there. In fact, I set the alarm off in 428 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the hospital once trying to get to the twins. And 429 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: I think about, Doctor Carol, how helpless they were at 430 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: five to seven days old. I remember the first time 431 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: I held them in the hospital to give them a bath, 432 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: how I had to hold their neck up, and I 433 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: was so afraid water would get in their mouth or 434 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: their nose, and they were just so fragile. And when 435 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: I think about this little baby in a shoe box 436 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: in a car trunk, Doctor Carroll Lieberman, you gotta talk 437 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: me off the ledge on this one. Well, yes, you 438 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: have to wonder about the kind of heartlessness that a 439 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: mother could have did have apparently to be able to 440 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: to where we to presumably kill the baby um although 441 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly the cause of death yet. I mean, 442 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: it's hard to believe it to carry it around in 443 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: the trunk of your car. Um. You know. Also, of course, 444 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: there is the possibility, not likelihood, the possibility that some 445 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: that she's protecting, you know, someone who killed the baby, 446 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: like the father or something. But it's most likely, it's 447 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: most like leave her doing um. And obviously she was 448 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: trying to hide that from the get go. When she 449 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: gave a false name, she knew that she didn't want 450 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: them to find that. Um. It's it's it's uh, she's sociopathic. 451 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean, she has no conscience, She has no humanity 452 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: to do that to a tiny, helpless child, no less 453 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: her own child. Doctor Carol Lieberman that police say she exhibited, 454 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: she did not exhibit a degree of remorse that they 455 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: had hoped for or expected. I've heard about, although I 456 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: did not experience that. Maybe it was because I nearly died, 457 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: and you know, I was just trying to keep it 458 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: three of us alive. Any disassociation from the twins at all. 459 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: When they were born, all I could think about was 460 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: would they live? How could I make them live? Where 461 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: the doctor's doing everything, where the nurses doing everything? Was 462 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: I am my parents and my in laws. Was everybody 463 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: doing everything they could to save the twins, so all 464 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: I could think about. I mean, but I've heard that 465 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: some moms disassociate or can't connect to the baby. What 466 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: is that, doctor Carol Lieberman? Is true? There are us 467 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: postpartum There can be some psychiatric problems, some diagnoses, from 468 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: postpartum depression to uh, it's starting off the psychosis um 469 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: although she was driving around, I mean, we don't need 470 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: to know more about the other whether what her mental 471 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: state is. In addition to them saying that she didn't 472 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: exhibit enough remorse, what the expected amount of remorse, there 473 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: might be some kind of psychiatric condition. If there is, 474 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure that she's going to be using that her 475 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: her attorney will be using that in her defense. But um, 476 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: but you know, the more likely stories when these kinds 477 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: of things happen are that she didn't want the baby 478 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: to begin with, or her um. She was she she 479 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: had wanted, she had gotten pregnant to get a man dog, Carol, 480 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Carol, I'm just a trial lawyer here, I'm just 481 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: a j D. I know you're the psychiatrist, but let 482 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: me just cut through all the psycho to talk. She 483 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: was on her way to Walmart. Okay, that speaks volumes 484 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: to me, Vincent Hill, she no more cares about this 485 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: baby than the man in the mood. She's on her 486 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: way for a shopping spree at Walmart. Yeah, I don't 487 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: think she cared one bit, Nancy, And I think it's 488 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: evident in the fact that she's like, sure, you can 489 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: search my trunk, like, I don't care if you find 490 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: that baby in there or she Vincent Hill private investigator 491 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: may have felt that if she said no, that would 492 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: make them even more suspicious than they would definitely search 493 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: her trunk. And then she said yes, if they looked 494 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: in the trunk and just saw a shoe box, they 495 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't look in it. So she was really between 496 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: a rock and a hard spot. But I wan't to 497 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: direct everybody to crime online dot com and see this 498 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: mug shot of this young mom. She's absolutely beautiful, but 499 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: she's definitely got the Kim Kardashian. Uh what do you 500 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: call that? The selfie look where you suck in your 501 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: cheeks going on. Oh yeah, she looks like mm hmmm, 502 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: and you are that's the look she's giving right to 503 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: the mug shot. So to Larry May her Crime Stories 504 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Where is Jelisa Gaines right now? She was 505 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: initially investigated on a lesser charge, which was abuse of 506 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: a corpse, and she has been indicted. Police say she 507 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: has been taken into custody and processed for manslaughter manslaughter. 508 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: I think the jury ought to get at least a 509 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: choice of murder one murder two manslaughter involuntary and voluntary manslaughter. 510 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, give him a choice. For Pete's sake, that baby, 511 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: that infant child, did not end up dead in a 512 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: shoe box all on its own. And we don't know 513 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: the cause of death yet. The c o d is 514 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: as as of yet undetermined, but I know this. We 515 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: do know the child was born alive and allegedly lived 516 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: from five to seven days. The Jackson Police Department now 517 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,479 Speaker 1: investigating the baby's death, and according to the Chief Chief 518 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: Jerry Tilor, officers find the baby's body and the chunk 519 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: of that car during a simple traffic stop on Highway 520 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: forty three. Parts was just broken and a lot of 521 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,959 Speaker 1: folks trying to figure out how something like this could happen. 522 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: Were there any signs of any physical trauma to the baby. Well, 523 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: there again, we would have to wait for the autopsy 524 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: report for that. She hasn't said a whole lot as 525 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: far as what may have happened to the baby. We 526 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: have a baby who never had the chance to speak 527 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: for themselves, so we're having to speak for him, and 528 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: we take that very seriously, and we want to cover 529 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: all our bases in this case. Cops say the mom 530 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: quote hasn't said a whole lot about what happened to 531 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: the baby, and that she is showing much much less 532 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: remorse than they had expected to. Larry mayher what more 533 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: can you tell us? Investigators say there may be other 534 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: people involved in this case. They are not elaborating on 535 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: what they mean by that, and they are still conducting 536 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: interviews even though the mother has been indicted. Well, expired 537 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: tags got her pulled over, and then police find a 538 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: five day old baby dead in a shoe box in 539 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: the trunk. I can only wonder what would have happened 540 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: if when asked if they could search her trunk, she 541 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: said no. How many times have I called Uber even 542 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: taken Uber with my children on many many occasions, But 543 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: now is an Uber driver suspected of a sex attack 544 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: on a customer straight out to Alan Duke joining me 545 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: on the story. Alan what happened? Well, this is a 546 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: scary story. I mean I use Uber a lot. My 547 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: young daughter, well, she's twenty six, she does this is 548 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: her main form of transportation around Los Angeles is calling 549 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: Uber or lift. Well, it seems allegedly that there was 550 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: this man who had been an Uber driver in the 551 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara County area that's not too far from Los Angeles, 552 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: and he decided that he wanted to do more than driving, 553 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: and so what he did was he pretended to be 554 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: someone's Uber driver. He would see someone apparently waiting for 555 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: an Uber ride, he would zoop zoom in and pick 556 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: up the passenger. The passenger, typically, according to investigators, were 557 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: young women between the ages of nineteen and twenty two, 558 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: coming out of parties or clubs near their college campus. 559 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: They wouldn't bother to look and make sure that that 560 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: was the right car they were getting into. They get 561 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: into the back, he would drive them home and then 562 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: allegedly rob and sex assault them in various ways. An 563 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: Aber driver now accused of raping women who used the 564 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: car service. To top it all off, the Uber driver 565 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: is in the US illegally a man living in the 566 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 1: US illegally, we believe who crossed the border from Mexico 567 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: uses his job as an Uber driver two target young women, 568 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: now accused of sex attacks and robbing them. Right now, 569 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: police say there are more victims out there, victims who 570 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: have not come forward. This guy, Alfonso new Neez, drives 571 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: women to their homes, assaults them, stills their stuff, including computers, jewelry, 572 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: cell phones, money. Then he even collects his fair payment 573 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: by using the smartphone at the move. He even disguises 574 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: his identity and his Uber records, according to police. Now 575 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: tell me, Alan, do what about DNA evidence? Has that 576 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: played a role in this? Yes, yes, they're checking. They've 577 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: got his DNA now and they're checking against other sex 578 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: assault cases in the Santa Barbara and send Louis obis 579 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: Bow area to try to match up other victims. And 580 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: let me emphasize, this guy wasn't and he he had 581 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: driven for Uber before, but at the time he wasn't 582 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: driving for Uber. He was pretending to be the proper 583 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: Uber driver and these drunken Oh I get it, okay, 584 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: let me make this clear. He was faking them. Was 585 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: he currently Uber driving? No? No, it's something you turn 586 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: on and you turn off. But he wasn't working as 587 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: an Uber driver at the moment. He was pretending to 588 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: be an Uber driver. In This is the dangerous thing. 589 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: All these Uber stickers that out in California you're required 590 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: to put on the windshield. Anybody can print those out 591 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: from the Internet and put them. You can tape them on. 592 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: So the real lesson that I give my daughter and 593 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: anyone else is make sure you're getting into the right car. 594 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: Detectives now on the lookout for potential witnesses and more 595 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: alleged victims throughout Saint Louis, Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties 596 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: where this guy had been driving for Uber for months now. 597 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: He's also gone by the name Bruno Diaz and brush 598 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: bat Is used. That was his Venmo name. What he 599 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: would do, Uh, he was raping and getting affair from them. 600 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: But you know when you drive, when you when you 601 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: ride an Uber, the money's automatically transferred through the Uber app. Well, 602 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: he didn't have an Uber app that was turned on, 603 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: so he said, hey, uh, could you send me this 604 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: ten dollars through Venmo, which the millennials as we call them, 605 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: the young people, these college students that's how they pay 606 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: each other off. They send ten dollars on Venmo. And 607 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: that's how he made his money by being a fake 608 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: Uber driver. Well, it's like the new era of PayPal. 609 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: Cops now saying he was not always driving for Uber, 610 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: as Alan has told us, not driving for Uber when 611 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: he would pick up the women. Now, sometimes drivers and 612 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: cars parked outside restaurants or bars actually jump in front 613 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: of the real Uber driver and they'll take someone unsuspecting 614 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: to their location. And that is a way that these 615 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: young ladies are at risk, and that's what police are 616 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: alleging happened here. The crimes to me indicate that Uber 617 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: and others could devise a new way to screen their 618 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: potential drivers. I mean, how do they select drivers now, 619 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: Alan just I mean there are tens of thousands of 620 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: them in the Los Angeles area. It's a huge thing. 621 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: And many of them are recent immigrants, if you will, 622 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: But many of the passengers are as well. But they 623 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: do a criminal background check, but they only do it 624 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: one time. They guy is an illegal immigrant. Yeah, anybody 625 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: had it. In California, you can get a driver's license. 626 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: Being an undocumented alien can get a driver's license here. 627 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: And he had one had one since did you know 628 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: he was actually deported out of New Mexico over a 629 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: deported But that has nothing to do with this. I 630 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: mean they should have even been there to start with. Well, 631 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: the thing is that Uber Lift and the others can 632 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 1: do anything they want to do background checks, but if 633 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: someone wants to pretend to be an Uber driver, they 634 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: can do it. It's very easy to do. And unfortunately, 635 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: when you're nineteen years old and you're out at a party, 636 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: drinking or at the club, you're not paying attention to 637 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: what car you're getting into, and as a result, you 638 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: get into the wrong car, you're going to the wrong place, 639 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: and bad things could happen. Did you know Ala that 640 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: there are actually seven different investigations allegedly being worked on 641 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: right now where this guy, Alfonso new Nez is a 642 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: suspect for women between the ages of nineteen and twenty two. 643 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: All of them were college co eds. Uh cal Poly Institute, 644 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 1: that's the big one that's there in St. Louis Obispo 645 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: that's the other one. Then there was a county college 646 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: that the fourth one was a student at. So that's 647 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: what he targeted. He saw these young, drunk college girls 648 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: coming out of parties, and I don't like the way 649 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: you drunk. I mean, so you have a few beers 650 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: at a bar or restaurant, but what it's your fault 651 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: you get into the wrong car. I don't like the 652 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: way you said that talking about how you have a 653 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: daughter twenty seven years old. Shame, shame, shame. You don't 654 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: get this kind of penalty having a couple of beers. 655 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, can you say, good conscious you haven't ever 656 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: thrown back a few. I think these were more than 657 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: a couple of beers for these ladies. Their judgment was impaired. 658 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: That I mean a good thing that they weren't driving right. 659 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: I I disagree with you. I'm not saying ask you 660 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: on that because I have come out of many a 661 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: building and I see I asked for an auber. I 662 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: look on my iPhone, I see where it is. I 663 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: see a car come up. It's got an uber sticker 664 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: and they wave and I wave, and I'm like, great, what, 665 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm stone cold sober, all right, I'm a teetotaler, and 666 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: I I mean I would have done the same thing 667 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: they did, So I'll be talk to talk. Don't jump 668 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: up and say they were all drunk. You don't know 669 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: that Alan their breath and take a blood out, But 670 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: the cops are making that part of it. This is 671 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: a cross exam. You don't get to explain that was 672 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: the yes. No, yes I did Nancy, No did you 673 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: take their blood? Alba cops no Bam charged with rape 674 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: of an intoxicated person. That is part of the charge 675 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: in one and actually I think he is being he's 676 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: under suspicion. Seven cases are being investigated right now and 677 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: until you can tell me you smell their breath and 678 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: took their blood alcohol, Alan, do you. I don't want 679 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: to hear a word about the alleged part of the 680 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: facts that they're they're charging that they were in top 681 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: one of them. I don't like your attitude. I don't 682 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,399 Speaker 1: like your attitude. You should have a drink. I'm gonna 683 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: warn your daughter's people, maybe your son's too, that you 684 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: got to be careful about getting into if you're out drinking. 685 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: That's great calling Uber, but making this about the women 686 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: having a drink, Okay, just stop that. This is about 687 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: getting into the wrong Uber car. Wait a minute, that's 688 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: still putting blame on them. This is about this guy 689 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: who was deported from New Mexico and now authorities just 690 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: saying we don't have any idea how the hey he 691 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: got back. According to the U. S Department of Homeland Security, 692 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: New Naz was deported from New Mexico in two thousand five, 693 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: and they say it is quote unclear exactly where he 694 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: was living or what he was doing in New Mexico 695 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: at the time. But I know this, he's a suspect 696 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: in seven different cases and d n A According to 697 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, did you not say d NA was used 698 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: in this case? That is direct? Now now he gives 699 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: me a yes no. Now I get the yes no 700 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 1: from Alan Duke. You know what, Let's take a listen 701 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 1: to what the district attorney has to say. Mr al 702 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: our cartoon is is an undocumented undocumented immigrant here in 703 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: the State's a citizen of Mexico who was deported voluntarily 704 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five when the Department Homeland Security 705 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: in contact with him in the state of New Mexico. 706 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: Let me hear though with that other fact, uh, like 707 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: anyone charged with the crime during the United States, he 708 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: is entitled at the same protections of our constitution as 709 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: anyone else charged with the crime. So he is indeed 710 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,320 Speaker 1: considered to be innocent until in court of laws seemed 711 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: that he is convicted and guilty of the crimes that 712 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: he's now been charged with. So you are you committed 713 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: to prosecuting this case or will the prospect be turned 714 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: over the ice for a departures. No, that's a great question. 715 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,800 Speaker 1: We will absolutely prosecute this case here in our county. 716 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: And in fact that you know, the immigration status is 717 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: is not relevant for the purpose of this prosecution. We 718 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: will treat this case as we would any other case 719 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: that we've come across. UM. And it's important to know 720 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: that the h In my mind, the relevance of his 721 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: immigration status really points more to the safety of services 722 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,280 Speaker 1: like Uber. UH. If those companies are not conducting adequate 723 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: background checks to make sure that they know the true 724 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: identity of people that are driving UM and those consumers, 725 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: those of us that use those services, we don't know 726 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: for sure whether or not we're at risk, and so 727 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: UM I think that's something that UH Essentially it is 728 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: a factor that in my mind makes using one of 729 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: those services a little bit more risky because we don't 730 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 1: truly have adequate background checks to note that those drivers 731 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: you're saying, so you feel confident that there are out there. 732 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: We have evidence that leads us to believe there are 733 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: other victims. In fact, we're going through all the forensic 734 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: data that we have now that we've collected to ensure 735 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: that we can identify them. But that's why we're putting 736 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: out a plea um. Anyone that believes that they may 737 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: have been a victim or they have any other information 738 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: are abused mr al our connunits as an UPER driver 739 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: in the past, they would be marriage to contact our 740 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: sallis have bespoke crime Stop Wars. It's never asking anyone 741 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: with any helpful information that reach out to contact us. 742 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,760 Speaker 1: The US two users consumers that are using before higher 743 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: drivers services that are available today. There are many good 744 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: folks that are uber drivers and lift drivers and doing 745 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: that sort of work. But there are some things that 746 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: individuals can and should be doing to protect themselves. One is, 747 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: when you hire an uber driver and you see who 748 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: the driver is on your phone, then you get a 749 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: description of the vehicle as well as a picture of 750 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: the driver and a license plate. Any consumer needs to 751 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,839 Speaker 1: verify that invitation before they need in that vehicle. Uh. 752 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: We're finding that those that are predators may go because 753 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: they know that there's someone waiting for a uber driver 754 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: and they'll jump in front of the actual looper driver 755 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 1: and they will take someone unsuspecting UM to their home. 756 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,959 Speaker 1: And that's uh the way of putting somebody at risk 757 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 1: in this case, that's exactly what um what is alleged 758 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: to account it. And so young people particularly who are 759 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: out in about and they want to get home safely. UM. 760 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: It used to be that people would have a designated 761 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 1: driver before these services were there. Um. Those are probably 762 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: still the most safe ways to get home if you've 763 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: been drinking, used to have a sober driver that you 764 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 1: know and that you trust. But if you're going to 765 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: use one of these services, just make sure that you're 766 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: doing all of your due diligence to verify that the 767 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: driver is the person that you contracted with when you 768 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: send your request for that driver to come allan, do 769 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,640 Speaker 1: do you have a tip line for me? Yes? I do. 770 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: The District Attorney is asking anyone who might know of 771 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,800 Speaker 1: another victim to call crime Stoppers in the San Luis 772 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,439 Speaker 1: Obispo area at eight oh five five nine seven eight 773 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: six seven, eight oh five five four nine seven eight 774 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: six seven or just called the District Attorney's office. You know, 775 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: I want to direct everyone to crime online dot com, 776 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,319 Speaker 1: where we have this guy's photo up, his mug show, 777 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,560 Speaker 1: and all the information relating to these offences on ladies. 778 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,959 Speaker 1: Help us find other victims if they exist, and bring 779 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: this guy to justice. Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing off, 780 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,