1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newitch member of the Patriots Hall Fame 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: Mike Rabol. 6 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: coy Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,079 Speaker 1: Good to be home, Good to see you guys, search 12 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 1: for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: What are you thinking there as you're watching it, Like 14 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:03,599 Speaker 1: run they're going to run the field goal team on 15 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:05,958 Speaker 1: live or because I know we've seen you guys practice that. 16 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:09,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think there's a couple of ways you 17 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:13,519 Speaker 3: can handle the situation. I just thought you can get 18 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:15,798 Speaker 3: into a total situation or a man a situation. But 19 00:01:16,119 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 3: maybe he's using a timeout or or just running a 20 00:01:19,158 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 3: play and then not getting a first down then going 21 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:23,359 Speaker 3: from there. But I mean that's everyone's different how they 22 00:01:23,399 --> 00:01:26,359 Speaker 3: run their operations, So there's really no wrong or right 23 00:01:26,399 --> 00:01:27,999 Speaker 3: in my opinion, but there are right ways to do 24 00:01:28,119 --> 00:01:30,879 Speaker 3: it from ours vanished point as the Patriots do it. 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,719 Speaker 3: But that's why we you know, we go through all 26 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:37,438 Speaker 3: the situations of staff coordinators with the players, with Mayo, 27 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:40,079 Speaker 3: Evan and those guys, so I feel like we're pretty 28 00:01:40,078 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 3: prepared in those situations to not make critical mistakes, you know, 29 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:47,678 Speaker 3: coaching mistakes like that that lose your games. 30 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:50,199 Speaker 4: So it's unfortunate, but yeah, it's. 31 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,119 Speaker 2: Like the amount of time you guys going to get. 32 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,799 Speaker 4: To twenty seconds left in the clock. 33 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,599 Speaker 3: You start to play with twenty one seconds, not twenty 34 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:02,439 Speaker 3: one seconds, So you say twenty one seconds, they run 35 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:05,119 Speaker 3: and play five six seconds. That tells you about fifteen 36 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:08,038 Speaker 3: seconds to operate with the field goal team getting on 37 00:02:08,079 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 3: the field. Fourteen fifteen seconds, that's about the threshold, so 38 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: they would have to be done and on. 39 00:02:15,799 --> 00:02:16,559 Speaker 4: Fifteen sixteen. 40 00:02:16,559 --> 00:02:19,199 Speaker 3: That's why I say twenty one is the threshold that 41 00:02:19,279 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 3: you you have your offense still in the field and 42 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,638 Speaker 3: night all right, right, twenty one seconds. Now you're thinking 43 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:26,758 Speaker 3: toro situation because if we don't get the first down, 44 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 3: we gotta be ready to go. But that's all sat 45 00:02:28,999 --> 00:02:30,999 Speaker 3: on the headsets that we're all communicating. I'm with my 46 00:02:31,038 --> 00:02:33,159 Speaker 3: guys like that are not on offense all right if 47 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:35,758 Speaker 3: we or we complete this without a first down or 48 00:02:35,839 --> 00:02:36,559 Speaker 3: running situation. 49 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:40,199 Speaker 4: So it's been communicated in that fashion before. 50 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:45,319 Speaker 2: See, you've had some mixing personnel as we've talked about 51 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:45,759 Speaker 2: all your. 52 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:48,958 Speaker 4: Kind of that special teams, but put a protection unit 53 00:02:49,079 --> 00:02:49,879 Speaker 4: was what I was thinking of. 54 00:02:50,038 --> 00:02:53,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, seemed like some different parts in their bell different 55 00:02:53,359 --> 00:02:55,719 Speaker 3: role this last week and maybe or no on that. 56 00:02:56,399 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 4: This past week. 57 00:02:57,239 --> 00:02:59,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he played the same spot that he's been at, 58 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:02,038 Speaker 3: the wing spot that we've had him at. So yeah, 59 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 3: guys progressed this season and trust him a little bit 60 00:03:04,999 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 3: more and you know, just continue to progress him, develop 61 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:10,319 Speaker 3: him throughout the season. And he's he's definitely done a 62 00:03:10,359 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 3: good job taking ownership of his role in special teams 63 00:03:13,799 --> 00:03:15,999 Speaker 3: versus an offensive role where he doesn't have a huge role, 64 00:03:16,038 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 3: but special teams he does. 65 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 4: And so for us, he's doing a good job. How 66 00:03:20,079 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 4: did that west Over hanging there in his first So 67 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:23,559 Speaker 4: it's fun. 68 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a good job for us. And again 69 00:03:25,279 --> 00:03:27,879 Speaker 3: that's that's what you look for for practice squad guys. 70 00:03:27,959 --> 00:03:30,599 Speaker 3: Right as it developed a season, you hope that with 71 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 3: injuries and acquisitions that you're making on offensive defense for 72 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,959 Speaker 3: the team, those guys can help you on special teams. 73 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:39,799 Speaker 3: And it was good to have Westover, who's done a 74 00:03:39,839 --> 00:03:41,599 Speaker 3: really good job for us since he's been here on 75 00:03:41,639 --> 00:03:44,319 Speaker 3: the practice squad, and those guys usual get their opportunities 76 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:45,919 Speaker 3: when the when the time happens. 77 00:03:46,999 --> 00:03:51,799 Speaker 2: I ask you the Pro Bowl voting to open up recently, 78 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,159 Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about school or just 79 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:56,959 Speaker 2: like how my chief means to your guys' union, and 80 00:03:57,599 --> 00:03:58,919 Speaker 2: obviously maybe something like that. 81 00:03:59,999 --> 00:04:02,238 Speaker 3: I hope he does because when you really watch us, 82 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:04,759 Speaker 3: he's one of the guys. When you watch him, he's 83 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:08,199 Speaker 3: always getting double Every team knows exactly where he's gonna 84 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:08,479 Speaker 3: be at. 85 00:04:08,839 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 4: Every team's pretty much saying eight. 86 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 3: That's no matter what in this game plan, we gotta 87 00:04:12,839 --> 00:04:14,919 Speaker 3: take forty one out of the game. If we take 88 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 3: forty one out of the game, we have a chance 89 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 3: that had a big return, a big chance that's something 90 00:04:18,039 --> 00:04:20,519 Speaker 3: to do big, big things on special teams. And that's 91 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: what kind of presence he has on the field. So 92 00:04:22,999 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: you know, when the voting happens, I hope you guys 93 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,399 Speaker 3: recognize that, see that, and they vote for him. 94 00:04:27,438 --> 00:04:29,078 Speaker 4: You know, when I get my off, I'm vote. 95 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 3: For him, you know, whatever I can do to help, 96 00:04:30,558 --> 00:04:33,199 Speaker 3: you know, But now he's such a phenomenal player that 97 00:04:33,719 --> 00:04:35,878 Speaker 3: it'd be hard pressed to see why guys would not 98 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: vote for him around the league. 99 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: Is there one play in particular that stands out that 100 00:04:40,678 --> 00:04:43,558 Speaker 2: maybe is an obvious to just fans and stuff that 101 00:04:43,558 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: he made this year that ever, like, you know that 102 00:04:46,558 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: that's a high level of play. 103 00:04:48,318 --> 00:04:50,519 Speaker 3: I would say, you know, you go back to watch 104 00:04:50,599 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 3: some of the you know, the plays he made in 105 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,558 Speaker 3: the first two or three games at Gunner. I mean 106 00:04:55,599 --> 00:04:58,958 Speaker 3: he's getting triple team, double teamed everything you can think about. 107 00:04:58,999 --> 00:05:01,079 Speaker 3: And I mean now he gets double team every rep. 108 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:03,519 Speaker 3: I mean it's every rep. Now, It's it's not even 109 00:05:03,558 --> 00:05:05,639 Speaker 3: like we know he's getting doubled on kickoff. 110 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:06,759 Speaker 4: We know he's getting doubled. 111 00:05:07,159 --> 00:05:08,999 Speaker 3: And so a guy like that, you know, it's tough 112 00:05:08,999 --> 00:05:10,759 Speaker 3: because you don't get to make as much plays layer 113 00:05:10,799 --> 00:05:12,959 Speaker 3: in the season because you're just getting doubled all the time. 114 00:05:12,958 --> 00:05:15,079 Speaker 3: So other guys gotta step up and make plays. And 115 00:05:15,159 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: our special guy do a good job of putting the 116 00:05:16,719 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 3: ball where it needs to be because you know, one 117 00:05:19,159 --> 00:05:20,959 Speaker 3: of our best players is gonna be dealing with the 118 00:05:20,958 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: double team on game. 119 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 4: It's a comment to him. 120 00:05:23,159 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: You know last year you guys had Slater in him, 121 00:05:25,078 --> 00:05:27,758 Speaker 3: so it's like pick your poison. You can double Slater. 122 00:05:27,799 --> 00:05:30,438 Speaker 3: Where're gonna have a score on one on one, So pick 123 00:05:30,479 --> 00:05:32,118 Speaker 3: your poison. Now, you know was Scorer. We had a 124 00:05:32,119 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: young guy and daw was done a great job. But 125 00:05:34,359 --> 00:05:36,319 Speaker 3: you know he's not he's not eighteen year vet like 126 00:05:36,359 --> 00:05:38,959 Speaker 3: Slater was, you know, so he's still learning and getting better. 127 00:05:39,318 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 3: But Scorer's taking on everything that you can think about 128 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:42,758 Speaker 3: out there. 129 00:05:45,438 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that field. 130 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:52,199 Speaker 4: That was the best. Yeah, operational technique what you see 131 00:05:52,198 --> 00:05:53,038 Speaker 4: there and that led to that. 132 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes it's like you go out there, you're thinking, 133 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: you know how he's looking at it? Nothing wrong with 134 00:05:59,198 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: the operational operation was great. You know, when you're hitting 135 00:06:02,359 --> 00:06:04,319 Speaker 3: the ball, what's your what are you aiming for? Am 136 00:06:04,318 --> 00:06:06,759 Speaker 3: I aiming for the right post? Right just inside? Is 137 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 3: there something inside that I'm aiming for? And then when 138 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,558 Speaker 3: you hit that ball, you're hitting in the exact spot 139 00:06:10,599 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 3: that you need it with. 140 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:14,199 Speaker 4: A little bit of a win or trail. 141 00:06:14,359 --> 00:06:16,519 Speaker 3: You know, sometimes those guys hit made the ball on 142 00:06:16,558 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: the right panel, little bit too much the left panel 143 00:06:18,318 --> 00:06:20,198 Speaker 3: and the ball might drift off all four. He may 144 00:06:20,239 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 3: he picks up his chest a little bit too quick 145 00:06:21,678 --> 00:06:23,518 Speaker 3: and the balls kind of drifts. It's one of those 146 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:26,438 Speaker 3: where he wants back. I mean, plenty of lay for it. 147 00:06:26,438 --> 00:06:28,199 Speaker 3: Obviously it was in the long field. Goal was in 148 00:06:28,239 --> 00:06:31,199 Speaker 3: the forties and he shouldn't make those, and so Ide 149 00:06:31,239 --> 00:06:34,318 Speaker 3: knows that, and he was very disappointing himself. But sometimes, 150 00:06:34,919 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 3: you know, you get a bad ball like that and 151 00:06:37,239 --> 00:06:37,879 Speaker 3: you gotta move. 152 00:06:37,799 --> 00:06:38,518 Speaker 4: On and keep it going. 153 00:06:38,558 --> 00:06:40,879 Speaker 3: But it's nothing like it's not a mental thing, it's 154 00:06:40,919 --> 00:06:43,118 Speaker 3: not a physical thing. It's just like a mishit at 155 00:06:43,159 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: the end of the day. 156 00:06:44,558 --> 00:06:46,999 Speaker 2: One of the things from the Miami game just kind 157 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:49,518 Speaker 2: of seems like a weird, unique situation where in the 158 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 2: first punt the returners calling are re off and it 159 00:06:51,719 --> 00:06:52,678 Speaker 2: bounces right to him. 160 00:06:52,999 --> 00:06:55,518 Speaker 1: What's the Is there a coaching point there? Is that 161 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: something that kind of has to come up. 162 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, if he's not doing this, okay, you need to 163 00:06:59,958 --> 00:07:02,319 Speaker 3: play that returner because as long as he puts his 164 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 3: hands below his shoulders right there, he can pick up 165 00:07:04,599 --> 00:07:06,319 Speaker 3: the ball and go. So just because that ball is 166 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 3: right there behind me or next to me, doesn't mean 167 00:07:09,119 --> 00:07:10,078 Speaker 3: he can't pick it up and go. 168 00:07:10,159 --> 00:07:11,958 Speaker 4: That's a great job by Malik Washington. 169 00:07:11,999 --> 00:07:13,719 Speaker 3: That was he had to do that, like see that 170 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:15,079 Speaker 3: there was kind of no one in front of him, 171 00:07:15,119 --> 00:07:16,759 Speaker 3: Like all right, I could be risky here pick up 172 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 3: the ball, and you just got to make sure you 173 00:07:18,719 --> 00:07:19,639 Speaker 3: take care of the football though. 174 00:07:19,719 --> 00:07:20,919 Speaker 4: That's why I tell you, guys, you ever. 175 00:07:20,919 --> 00:07:22,759 Speaker 1: Seen something like that before where guys telling them where 176 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:24,358 Speaker 1: to get away from the ball that it bounces rightful? 177 00:07:24,679 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all the time. That happens all the time. 178 00:07:26,559 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 4: That every week. 179 00:07:27,679 --> 00:07:31,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, guys happens clearing everyone out. Everyone's like oh okay, and 180 00:07:31,599 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 3: they're not really paying attention to guy picks it up, 181 00:07:33,239 --> 00:07:34,599 Speaker 3: gets fifteen twenty yards. 182 00:07:35,078 --> 00:07:35,838 Speaker 4: Yeah. 183 00:07:36,359 --> 00:07:39,839 Speaker 3: Two other thoughts that Titus Leo comes over from the 184 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:44,199 Speaker 3: Colts practice squad playing the Colts to speaking and can 185 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:45,559 Speaker 3: he keep you any insight on. 186 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:45,919 Speaker 2: What they're doing? 187 00:07:45,958 --> 00:07:47,959 Speaker 1: Because I assume he was running some scout stuff. 188 00:07:48,159 --> 00:07:48,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 189 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:52,599 Speaker 4: Does he factor into anything you may be doing if. 190 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 3: He helped you elevent Yeah, obviously I prepare those guys 191 00:07:56,119 --> 00:07:57,599 Speaker 3: that are on the fifty three that they're all going 192 00:07:57,639 --> 00:07:59,479 Speaker 3: to play. So if it comes to noun of this 193 00:07:59,559 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 3: day where they're not activated. That's unfortunate, but this the 194 00:08:01,679 --> 00:08:04,439 Speaker 3: way the numbers work. But preparing him like always, you 195 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:06,599 Speaker 3: know he was from the cold, so you know, you know, 196 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:07,398 Speaker 3: you don't ask. 197 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:08,439 Speaker 4: Too many questions anything like that. 198 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 3: He just kind of might ask a few philosophy questions 199 00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:13,439 Speaker 3: and how they how they run things here and there, 200 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,079 Speaker 3: but nothing crazy like that. But you know, if he 201 00:08:16,159 --> 00:08:18,319 Speaker 3: over you know, most guys want to give insight. They can, 202 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:20,199 Speaker 3: but a lot of times it doesn't really pertain. 203 00:08:20,559 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 4: Colder day Sunday. 204 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, with that, do you anticipate perhaps a kickoff with 205 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 3: during game becomes more of a fat always does when 206 00:08:28,679 --> 00:08:30,759 Speaker 3: it gets colder. It's just like watch a Green Bay 207 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:33,039 Speaker 3: game last night. You know the ball doesn't fly. You 208 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,919 Speaker 3: know a little bit of win cold weather, it's not 209 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,159 Speaker 3: gonna fly as much. So again, as we get into 210 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,279 Speaker 3: these games in December, now you know a lot more, 211 00:08:40,359 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: a lot more coverage, reps, a lot more you staw 212 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 3: run the league. Last week there was a lot more 213 00:08:45,119 --> 00:08:47,799 Speaker 3: bigger returns and you're gonna see that with the weather 214 00:08:47,879 --> 00:08:51,879 Speaker 3: changing and personnel. You know, your personnel is getting you know, 215 00:08:51,999 --> 00:08:54,399 Speaker 3: a lot more guys hurd or not the same guys 216 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:57,078 Speaker 3: you had five weeks ago, and so guys haven't really 217 00:08:57,119 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 3: got those opportunities yet. So that's the way that kind 218 00:08:59,439 --> 00:09:01,718 Speaker 3: of goes this part of the season. So we got 219 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:03,239 Speaker 3: we gotta to do goos drop preparing our guys and 220 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 3: whoever's up that was up. It's got to be able 221 00:09:04,879 --> 00:09:08,919 Speaker 3: to play and be able to cover. 222 00:09:09,359 --> 00:09:10,639 Speaker 4: Guys, have a good one right. 223 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:15,119 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook joined John Brook as he brings you all 224 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 225 00:09:19,199 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 226 00:09:21,599 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 227 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,879 Speaker 1: state of the team. But where the Patriots are concerned. 228 00:09:26,119 --> 00:09:28,399 Speaker 2: Let's just get one thing done and let's get it 229 00:09:28,479 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: done right and then. 230 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:31,399 Speaker 4: We can worry about versatility. 231 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here? Let's just get one 232 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:34,399 Speaker 1: thing done. 233 00:09:34,479 --> 00:09:37,119 Speaker 2: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 234 00:09:37,239 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 2: move along. 235 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:39,279 Speaker 3: That's kind of my biggest thing. 236 00:09:39,319 --> 00:09:41,999 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.