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Speaker 3: Here we go. It is a Friday.

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Speaker 1: Oh and there's already news breaking, my kind of news.

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Speaker 1: All right. Former Bears Jach Day wants that joins us

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Speaker 1: in an hour. It is another bumpy day, Jmax for

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. So we know an OTAs Ben Jonson dot

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Speaker 1: you know, a little miffed couldn't get the play into

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Speaker 1: the huddle. They're asking them to do some different stuff

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Speaker 3: A lot of those.

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Speaker 1: Coaches like that. Sean Payton likes that. So are you

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Speaker 1: ready for the new news? Jmac laying on me, big guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So yesterday, three days ago, he struggled. Ben Johnson was furious,

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Speaker 1: couldn't get to play in and out. Yesterday struggled with

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Speaker 1: a deep ball. Today Caleb Williams two red zone picks,

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Speaker 1: one tip ball, another one horrible pass. So three days

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Speaker 1: in a row. It's gotten a little bumpy for Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: So people say, I hear athletes say this. I hear

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Speaker 1: people say that you can't take a lot from camp.

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Speaker 1: You can see red flags positive negative, Andrew Luck, Jaden

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Speaker 1: Daniels first week of camp, Commander's colts. You were hearing

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Speaker 1: glowing reports. Disastrous first dates rarely become great, thirty year marriages.

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Speaker 1: I've interviewed lots of people in my life. Disastrous interviews

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Speaker 1: never become great.

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Speaker 3: Higher it matters.

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Speaker 1: Sean pay eight and last year was texting me in August.

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Speaker 1: He's like bow knicks. That may take a few starts.

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Speaker 1: Guy's gonna be good by October. Bo Nicks one ZHO

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Speaker 1: three passer rating. You can see good. It can be

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Speaker 1: one of those musical shows. It can be an athlete,

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Speaker 1: It can be an interview, it could be a first date.

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Speaker 1: You can see stuff. Or do they say men decide

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Speaker 1: want to spend any time with this person. So Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams was sold as a generational talent. We were all

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Speaker 1: hoping it would be this generation, right, Like how long

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Speaker 1: do you want us.

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Speaker 3: To ask last.

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Speaker 1: And wait, so remember this Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson's first

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Speaker 1: Remember that that Lions team twenty twenty two was not

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Speaker 1: the roster it is now. The old line wasn't quite set.

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff first year with Ben Johnson. Now the Bears

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Speaker 1: coach led the NFL twenty nine touchdown seven p seventh

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Speaker 1: The Lions team now I don't think is as good

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Speaker 3: So I feel this.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks in twenty twenty five are a little bit like

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Speaker 1: If you're not getting me by the second episode early,

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Speaker 3: Used to be three year. Give Eli Manning three years.

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Speaker 3: Those days are over.

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Speaker 1: Private coaching seven on seven camps, you can transfer in

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Speaker 3: A better place. Those days are over.

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Speaker 1: He's got to be good by late September and early October.

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Speaker 1: And that streaming show you know it and I know

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Speaker 1: it by the second episode. If you're eight ten minutes

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Speaker 1: You're on to another streaming show or another service, and

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Speaker 1: so I think you got to grab people early in

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Speaker 1: this relationship. So Ben Johnson, yesterday as bad as it

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Speaker 4: Executing getting in and out of the huddle a certain way,

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Speaker 1: So today two picks not great. So yesterday I did

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Speaker 1: and Lebron has been you know. I called him and

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Speaker 1: Add clarity, it's not I would have left Cleveland the

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Speaker 1: But if I was Lebron, I would have stayed in

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Speaker 1: Lebron his heart was in Cleveland. No, it wasn't. He

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Speaker 1: He acknowledged that later. The Sports Illustrated the letter. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not banging on people who leave Cleveland. Our staff

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Speaker 1: or that is always great for commerce. It's a great

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Speaker 3: So I'm not banging on that.

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Speaker 1: But don't tell me that Lebron Cleveland's where his heart is.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to retire in Akron. And he left

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Speaker 1: And so I go back to this is that the downside,

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Speaker 3: The downside of that is that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you never live in that cul de sac

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Speaker 1: I have to live with that. The upside to moving

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Speaker 1: played with better teammates. Michael's best teammate, He's got one

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Speaker 1: And sports is romanticized and we've always thought of Michael

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Speaker 1: been transactional. That's the downside to being the best basketball

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Speaker 3: But it's hard to fall in love with that.

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Speaker 1: You fall in in love with the people in your

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Speaker 1: and you got it with Michael. And that's really the difference.

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Speaker 1: think the JJ McCarthy Caleb Williams stories.

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Speaker 1: Hit and Petti's hits, it's a six for six draft

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Speaker 1: And I do think struggling. It's red zone one day,

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Speaker 3: And this was after like three practices.

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Speaker 1: Well, fans do it all the time. I understand it

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Speaker 1: The standards higher. I heard a lot of this, Colin.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news, all right.

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Speaker 5: Colin Jets fans myself included breathing a sigh of release

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Speaker 3: He's fine, don't listen.

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Speaker 5: It's July. I don't want to see him in action.

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Speaker 5: Now you if Garrett Wilson happens to go down or something,

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Speaker 10: but it will be along those lines.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we use what we need.

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Speaker 10: There's some things that we I don't think we're gonna

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Speaker 10: need at this level, and there's other things that we

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Speaker 10: are Things like that you just have to, you know,

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Speaker 10: take them into consideration, but fundamentally, we're gonna do as

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Speaker 10: much as we can at a pro system.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was actually pretty good at Media Day.

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Speaker 1: I thought he lightened up. I think, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: funny when you watch that. And a lot of people

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Speaker 1: didn't like the last documentary on him. They thought Bob

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Speaker 1: Kraft leaked a lot of stuff to make Belichick look bad.

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Speaker 1: But if you go back to Belichick's first three or

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Speaker 1: four years in New England, and maybe it was Spygate

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Speaker 1: to flay Gate, all the gates, he was actually pretty

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Speaker 1: funny with the media, and I think he's been better

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Speaker 1: with the media on the college campus. I'm really fascinated

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Speaker 1: by this story because we said yesterday, take Clemson out.

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Speaker 1: Everybody on that schedule is in a rebuild or is

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Speaker 1: a five to six win program. Syracuse was good last year,

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Speaker 1: but they lost that quarterback I liked, and they lost

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Speaker 1: fifteen starters. That schedule is screaming nine to ten wins.

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Speaker 1: So I can't wait to watch this thing.

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Speaker 5: Well, Okay, so I was doing some research on unc

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Speaker 5: before this segment, and again what we talked about at

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Speaker 5: a very outset of the show quarterback coach symmetry.

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Speaker 6: Belichick thrived with Bledsoe.

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Speaker 5: Then break how did it go with Cam Newton when

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Speaker 5: he was under center?

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Speaker 1: From Paul Belichick, I would say this, the NFL is

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Speaker 1: not college. The NFL is much more quarterback centric in college.

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Speaker 1: If I have great I mean Georgie's had great players

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Speaker 1: as Georgia had great Georgia's had one great quarterback.

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Speaker 3: In my life, Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: They've won a lot of football games with a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys sitting on NFL benches. Alabama has won a

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Speaker 1: lot of national championships. USC tell me all the great

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Speaker 1: USC NFL quarterbacks, Name six, name four. So Carson Palmer

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Speaker 1: was obviously really gifted. So thea college football is about

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Speaker 1: to me is about the coach and the roster. NFL

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Speaker 1: is about the coach and the quarterback. And so I

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Speaker 1: think Bill his ability. You know, CAROLINEA has got some

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Speaker 1: money here. So their quarterback is average, which I think

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Speaker 1: would really hurt them in the Big ten of the SEC.

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Speaker 1: But I think an average quarterback Bill's recruiting, they can

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Speaker 1: win every game except Clemson.

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Speaker 3: They're not ready to beat.

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Speaker 1: Clemson, and Clemson's got the best quarterback by a mile

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Speaker 1: in that conference.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I brought up quarterback. I looked into

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Speaker 5: Giovanni Lopez. He's going to be the starter. He was

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Speaker 5: a three star guy in twenty twenty two Colin he

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Speaker 5: committed to South Alabama. Well, that was the level he

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Speaker 5: was at three years ago. Now I haven't seen him.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen the practice footage. But a little bit

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Speaker 5: of a bill climb for Belichick rolling with Giovanni Lopez

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Speaker 5: when he's got a Facebook cave club Nick of Clemson,

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Speaker 5: who's a high sech contender, and you seem to think

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Speaker 5: his first round potential.

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Speaker 1: You know, when Dion went to Colorado, he had his

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Speaker 1: son quarterbacking, so that was an advantage Belichick doesn't. So

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Speaker 1: but I think Belichick has a better overall roster in

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Speaker 1: year one at Carolina than Dion Sanders had at Colorado.

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, Travis Hunter and the Shader Sanders,

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Speaker 1: it's nice to bring your son along hist quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: I think Bill's staff is better than Dion's was. I

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Speaker 1: think Bill's rosters better than Dion was year one, but

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Speaker 1: sdeor Sanders is better than.

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Speaker 3: Who they have, you know, taken.

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Speaker 5: Miss Aulivid, people I think UNC's in playoff contention all year.

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Speaker 6: I'm just betting on Belichick.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 6: Final story, Colin, not great.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Kaitlyn Clark, she's been out of action. People are

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Speaker 5: probably wondering, Hey, you guys have really talked less about

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Speaker 5: the WNBA lately.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because Kaitlin Clark's hurt. She didn't play last night.

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Speaker 3: They won.

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Speaker 5: But what's more interesting is Clark spoke a little bit

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Speaker 5: about injuries being.

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Speaker 6: A pro athlete.

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Speaker 5: How's this for a quote, Colin, This is the first

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Speaker 5: time I haven't felt like a young body that can

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Speaker 5: run around and sprint every day and just continue to

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Speaker 5: do that. Being a pro athlete, you really have to

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Speaker 5: take care of both your body and mind.

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Speaker 6: It's been a journey learning about that. Now.

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Speaker 5: That makes it sound like she's just worn down, like

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Speaker 5: this is the first time I can't just run.

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Speaker 6: Around and be a young person. Well, you're still young, Kaitlyn.

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Speaker 1: You're like years old, so let's be you know, it's

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Speaker 1: funny anytime I talk about the WNBA, I get pushedback,

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Speaker 1: and I swear to God it ninety percent of what

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Speaker 1: I say is positive. And I'll just say this, it's

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Speaker 1: taken the WNBA, you know, a couple of years to

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Speaker 1: figure out how popular she is. They have one more

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Speaker 1: big move to make as a league. They've got to

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Speaker 1: get better officiating. They guards in the WNBA get attacked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, go look at the number of total players

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Speaker 1: and the number of injured players in the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And the NBA, which has better officials, you'll notice this.

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Speaker 3: They they are more.

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Speaker 1: Willing to call a quick whistle in the regular season

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Speaker 1: to keep their players healthy for the postseason. They want

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Speaker 1: their stars available for the postseason. Then of the postseason,

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Speaker 1: let them play. That makes for good basketball, but they

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Speaker 1: kind of protect their players regular season. The WNBA officiates

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Speaker 1: like the NBA does in the postseason, people getting knocked

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Speaker 1: to the floor, and I think this is a learning curve.

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Speaker 1: You want our best players healthy for the playoffs, then

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Speaker 1: you can take the whistle out. Have physicality, have some tussles,

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Speaker 1: have some real animosity.

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Speaker 3: That makes for a very good TV.

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Speaker 1: But over the course of a long regular season, you

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Speaker 1: don't want your players getting beat up. I mean, even

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Speaker 1: in baseball, you manage differently in a playoff series than

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Speaker 1: a regular season. In June, so I think the league

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Speaker 1: has got to get better officiating and blow the whistle

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Speaker 1: in the regular season. Protect Angel Reees last night did

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Speaker 1: not play. The number of injured WNB against all a

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Speaker 1: learning curve. This league is paying their refs less than

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Speaker 1: college back according to the Washington Post, less than college

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Speaker 1: basketball reps.

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Speaker 3: Make that can't be the case.

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Speaker 5: So, Colin, I'm sure you know that Caitlin Clark's Fever

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Speaker 5: are coming out here to play the Sparks early next month,

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Speaker 5: within the next like fifteen days, two weeks. My family

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Speaker 5: we've inquired about tickets and now we're holding off to

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Speaker 5: see if Katelin Clark's going to be there. I'm not

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Speaker 5: gonna lie and listen, I know the Sparks are good,

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Speaker 5: They're an attraction. We're interested in the Sparks, but my

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Speaker 5: daughter wants to.

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Speaker 6: See Kaitlin Clark.

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Speaker 5: Sure you know, So like, we're not gonna get tickets

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Speaker 5: yet until we find out of Clark's playing. And I'll

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Speaker 5: just say this, in the NFL, they protect the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: And I know fans hate it when you breathe on

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Speaker 5: mahomes of birth. Fans hate it, but that is smart.

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Speaker 5: I hate it when it happens, but it is smart.

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Speaker 5: You got it, Like you said, you got to start

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Speaker 5: protecting the money makers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I remember it was about ten. I was

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Speaker 1: at the other place. It was probably twelve years ago

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Speaker 1: when the NFL came out and got very protective at quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and everybody whined and complained about it, and I said,

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Speaker 1: go look at the old Terry Bradshaw films and the

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Speaker 1: old Joe Montana films. When these guys were getting grabbed

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Speaker 1: and driven into the turf. It's like, that's not what

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Speaker 1: you want. The bottom line is rules are an insurance policy,

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Speaker 1: and the players are mansions and sports cars. Protect them,

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Speaker 1: get insurance. You want your best players available for longer stretches,

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Speaker 1: especially in playoff basketball. NBA's figured it out. Give Adam

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Speaker 1: Silver credit. They'll blow a quick whistle in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: but you go to the postseason, then I'll deal with animosity.

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Speaker 1: Then I'll deal with the physicality because it's a much shorter,

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Speaker 1: more intense season.

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Speaker 3: J mckle the news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.

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Speaker 1: Jack I said yesterday on this show it is time.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a little pivot because I think this

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Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers last season. I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: negative guy any thoughd interception yesterday and everybody got worked up,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm going to defend him. And Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: made a veiled reference toward our show as well.

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Speaker 3: That's coming up.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter non a em Pacific.

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Speaker 3: So I'm reading an article this morning.

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Speaker 1: And the headline to the article, which I disagree with,

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Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers has a lot more to lose with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers than he did with the Jets. And I

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Speaker 1: thought a lot about this, and I think my opinion

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Speaker 1: that's going to stick is that did the Wizards hurt

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's legacy? Did Phoenix Cleveland Celtics hurt Shacks? It's

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Speaker 1: not about the ending. Marlon Brando is considered the greatest

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Speaker 1: actor of all time YouTube in some time, fascinating interview.

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Speaker 1: He had three or four atrocious movies. Nobody cares. We

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Speaker 1: judge you in your prime. We judge you at the pinnacle,

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Speaker 1: not the turbulence and the bumpy ending. Not every Beatles

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Speaker 1: song was great, and we don't talk about the ones

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Speaker 1: that missed. We've never spent a second talking about Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 3: In the Mummy. We don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Aaron's prime was thirteen years, four MVPs and a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl trophy, and he played great. It puts him top

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Speaker 1: twelve all time. Certainly one of the prettiest passers I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen, up there with Dan Marino, maybe number one

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Speaker 1: or number two. He's a little trickly and independent as

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Speaker 1: a personality. That's okay, everybody's different. He is one of

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Speaker 1: the most gifted throwers the football of all time, and

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Speaker 1: he is in a top twelve of all time. I

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Speaker 1: actually prefer him over Brett Farv. Brett Farv is a gunslinger.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he ages well over time. Gun Slingers

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Speaker 1: don't work anymore. They become Jameis Winston. And he's better

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Speaker 1: than Jameis Winston. But Aaron could have played thirty years ago,

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Speaker 1: and Aaron in his prime was great.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Farv was really good, being hard to coach, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: reading coverages, and just using his talent. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that ages as well today. I think football is much

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Speaker 1: smarter today than it was years ago. So I think,

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Speaker 1: much like being in the mob, once you're great, you're

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Speaker 1: a made man. Now like the Mob, it does knows

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Speaker 1: end well. But I think we have to be fair

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. If he goes seven to nine in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: he gets hurt in week thirteen or doesn't play particularly well,

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Speaker 1: nobody cares. Go look at Johnny Unidas's last team. Go

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Speaker 1: look at Michael Jordan and the Wizards, a Keen Patrick

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Speaker 1: Ewing Shack. It doesn't matter now Brady, you know, and

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Speaker 1: this is rare left and was great in Tampa. That

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Speaker 1: sort of adds to Brady's legend. But the truth was

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Speaker 1: it really only if you really look at what Tampa

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Speaker 1: did for Brady, it separated him in the was it

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Speaker 1: Brady or Belichick in New England argument? Clearly it was

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Speaker 1: more Brady than Belichick. He won the divorce, he won

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Speaker 1: the argument, but he still would have been the all

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Speaker 1: time greatest quarterback because all of his hardware. So I

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Speaker 1: don't I mean, Aaron had an interception yesterday, I don't

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Speaker 1: make anything of that. And I'm not going to make

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Speaker 1: a lot out of six and eleven or seven and ten.

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Speaker 3: Here's erin.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have to win.

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Speaker 11: I mean, anybody's watched me practice over the years, you know,

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Speaker 11: he'd like to try certain throws at certain times, and

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Speaker 11: anybody that's watched me in the games knows. And I've

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Speaker 11: been pretty stellar taking care of the football over the year.

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Speaker 11: So it's gonna be a good challenge for me. Throwing

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Speaker 11: this heat every single day I look forward to. But

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna throw some picks. I'm gonna throw some touchdowns too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't think if you look at actors,

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Speaker 1: politicians were like Bernie Sanders in his prime. In Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders today, you know, you get to be seventy five

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Speaker 1: as a politician. I don't know how judgmental I can

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Speaker 1: get the same with quarterbacks once you get into your forties.

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Speaker 1: I'm not holding it against you. I mean, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean Matt Stafford wins the Super Bowl this year. It

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Speaker 1: can't elevate his legacy. It doesn't mean if Brady's good

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Speaker 1: in Tampa. It can't mean he really definitively won the

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Speaker 1: divorce with Belichick. Yes, there can be more upside, but

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Speaker 1: I it's Marlon Brando, it's the Beatles, it's Tom Cruise

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Speaker 1: in their prime.

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Speaker 3: I'm best. So you know, there's been a.

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Speaker 1: Story this week, j Mac, and it is very much

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Speaker 1: a Connect the Dot story. Jimmy Sexton, Nick Saban, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Haslam and I have said I think Saban will not

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Speaker 1: go to college. But when Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffen,

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Speaker 1: who know him very, very very well, said there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of talk about him coming back to coaching, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's college. I discussed it this week. College

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Speaker 1: is now the NIL is so expensive. You have to

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Speaker 1: go to your boosters to get fifteen to eighteen million

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Speaker 1: dollars to pay the players. You're not going to buy

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Speaker 1: out your coach at another seventy million and then pay

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Speaker 1: seventy five million to get Saban. Just the NIL actually

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Speaker 1: helps coaches get two or three more years. You're raising

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Speaker 1: so much money to pay the players. You're not buying

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Speaker 1: out staffs at seventy million dollars too, and then paying

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Speaker 1: seventy million for the next coach. He's not going to college.

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Speaker 1: Would he take a call and consider the NFL. That's

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Speaker 1: all I've said, yes, And Saman was on Fox News

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Speaker 1: and could have given an absolutely definitive answer.

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Speaker 3: Instead, he said this.

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Speaker 9: There is no opportunity that I know of right now

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Speaker 9: that I would enhance me to go back to coaching.

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Speaker 1: Right now. I mean, I'm not hungry right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: not tired right now, but I'm going to eat and

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Speaker 1: sleep later. Right. Yes and no, our definitive answers absolutely

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Speaker 1: or never are definitive answers. The specificity with that answer

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Speaker 1: was intentional. It was I mean, if you kind of

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Speaker 1: right now, you ever getting divorced? I mean, right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy with my current wife.

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Speaker 3: You know that's not.

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Speaker 1: The answer you want to hear. It's never, I'm wildly

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Speaker 1: in love. Well right now, it's leaving the door open.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I can bring up an old

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban press conference from Miami.

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Speaker 3: I could do that, So why don't we do that here?

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Speaker 3: It is? Well, then, I guess I have to say it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the Alabama coach. What I

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Speaker 3: shouldn't even have to comment on this. I think I've

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Speaker 3: said this over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: There's also not one opening now. Arch Manning is still

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Speaker 1: a college player now, So I'm just saying I thought

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Speaker 1: it was very intentional. There's not a place I'm going

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Speaker 1: to leave for right now. And I don't even think

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Speaker 1: this is an argument like that that's very open. That's

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Speaker 1: very gray, and he may not take the job. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying definitively he's going to I'm saying if Cleveland

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Speaker 1: ends up with a number one pick, if the Saints

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Speaker 1: end up with a number one pick and take arch Manning,

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Speaker 1: he's coast in Louisiana, he's coast in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: He's taking the call.

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Speaker 1: He may go to Miss Terry discuss it for a

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Speaker 1: couple of days, but I know what he kind of

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Speaker 1: makes at ESPN. He's gonna make about thirty percent more

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Speaker 1: or more than that coach in college pro football. He'll

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Speaker 1: take the call. I don't think he's going to college.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, yes, no, absolutely never. Those are definitives.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not tired right now means you will probably

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Speaker 1: eventually sleep right, like we all, this isn't this isn't

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Speaker 1: a reach by me. I thought that was a very

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Speaker 1: intentional answer.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay that you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, broadcasters have a right to leave any time

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Speaker 1: they want, much easier to leave broadcasting jobs. Bill Parcells

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Speaker 1: did that multiple times. Nobody's gonna hold it against you.

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Speaker 1: I think dig Vermeial may have or may have not.

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Speaker 1: Let nobody's holding it against you. You know, you leave

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Speaker 1: a college, you leave a job. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: and there's going to be jobs, not just random jobs open.

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Speaker 3: Arch Manning going to.

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Speaker 1: A place Nick As coached the Dallas Cowboys could be opened.

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Speaker 1: There are years. Last year there was one great job

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Speaker 1: opening and Harbaugh took it. Justin Herbert la Market decent roster.

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Speaker 1: That was a great job opening. Matt lafleorda green Bay.

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Speaker 1: That was a That's one of the best job openings ever.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers well run organization. By the way, when McCarthy

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Speaker 1: took the Cowboys Dak Prescott closer to his prime, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't a bad job opening. A lot of them are rebuilds.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to a total rebuild. But if he's

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Speaker 1: going to be watching all these college quarterbacks, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: tell me watch that Clemson kid, or he watches Arch Manning,

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Speaker 1: or he watches Drew Aller and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: the Saints or Cleveland can get those guys. He's absolutely

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Speaker 1: taken the call and he's absolutely considering.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Colins lines up perfectly with what you like

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Speaker 5: to say. When you get new information, sometimes you change

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Speaker 5: your mind right on. At fleets on coaches and openings,

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Speaker 5: I think is the same thing.

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Speaker 6: Nick Saban says he's happy where he's doing.

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Speaker 5: Right now, and then if you know arch manding lines

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Speaker 5: up to the Jets or the Browns or whatever happens.

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Speaker 6: Sure, I'm sure he's going to take the call. Now.

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Speaker 6: The real interesting.

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Speaker 5: One is what goes on in Dallas is that someone

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Speaker 5: Jerry Jones would want to hire.

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Speaker 3: Do you want Saban?

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Speaker 5: Do you want Dion Sanders, who I personally think Colorado

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Speaker 5: takes a big step back this year.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure Joel Klatten knows more.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting Belichick had no interest going west. If

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Speaker 1: you looked at who we interviewed for jobs, it was

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Speaker 1: mostly you know, he's got a place on like Jupiter, Florida, Nantucket.

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Speaker 1: Bill didn't want to be out west. Tom Brady frankly

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Speaker 1: had told people, you know, he went to Tampa, He

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Speaker 1: considered Miami. Tom didn't really want to go west at

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Speaker 1: the time with Jasellell the kids, right, he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go west. So my take is Texas for Saban.

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Speaker 1: I mean he and his wife, Miss Terry, they call her.

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Speaker 1: They flew to Austin, Texas or she did. When Member

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Speaker 1: he lost to Auburn and there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: heat on Saban, and it was like, you guys have Saban.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loses in big rivalries. At Michigan twenty point dog

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Speaker 1: just beat Ohio State slow down.

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Speaker 3: But it kind of ticked Saban off.

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Speaker 1: He ended up getting a great deal from Alabama to

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Speaker 1: go back. He got somebody to pay off his house,

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Speaker 1: he got a car dealership. He was so ticked off

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Speaker 1: by that. But Texas Saints feel like, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: got his lake house. I could see that very much

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Speaker 1: with him quick private jet from Dallas to his lake

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Speaker 1: house in Georgia or New Orleans. That just feels like

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Speaker 1: those fit. He's taken. First of all, he's getting a call,

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Speaker 1: takes it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.