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Speaker 2: Today's episode candad spoilers for the Superman trailer and maybe

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Speaker 2: some other stuff from related movies, but not really, there's nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you've seen the Superman trailer. If you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 2: go watch it because it's great.

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Speaker 3: It's really great.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm roseay Night, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to X Reviews of the podcast, where we

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Speaker 2: dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Coming to you from iHeart Podcast, where we're bringing you

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Speaker 2: three episodes a week every Tuesday Thursday, with an extra

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Speaker 3: And in today's special episode, we're doing Trailer Watch. Is

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Speaker 3: it Bud? Is it aplane? No? It's the highly anticipated

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Speaker 3: trailer for James Gunn's twenty twenty five Superman movie, which

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Speaker 3: we are gonna dig into right here.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Superman trailer is out. We are recording this

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Speaker 2: Friday morning. It dropped twenty four hours ago. James Gunn

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Speaker 2: posted it to the interwells and it has spread out

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Speaker 2: from there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fucking great.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, I mean, yeah, I loved it. I was

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers lot. I wrote some articles about it for Then

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Speaker 3: of Geek got to hear him and David corn Sweat

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Speaker 3: and Rachel Brasnan Brosnahan, who is playing Lewis Lane talk

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Speaker 3: about it, and yeah, I mean, what a great trailer.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect because my mileage can

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Speaker 3: vary with gun but I was really blown away. I

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Speaker 3: think I love the way it opens with this almost

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Speaker 3: like fake out, where you start with this bloodied, brutally

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Speaker 3: beaten up Superman and you think, oh, this is a

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Speaker 3: bit this is a bit dark, this is a bit gritty,

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Speaker 3: but then you immediately get him calling, you know, Crypto

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Speaker 3: where the Fortress of Solitude clearly is. I thought that

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Speaker 3: was great. I loved how much Lewis and Clark there

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Speaker 3: is in the trailer. I think we really need that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I loved seeing Crypto the super Dog. I think James

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Speaker 3: Gunn was very smart to lead with that. I love

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Speaker 3: the kind of reimagine John Williams theme with the heavy

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Speaker 3: guitar riff. What about you, What were like the standout

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I think first and foremost the important thing for me

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Speaker 2: with Superman, I will maintain that Superman two. The Christopher

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Speaker 2: Ue Superman two is still one of the greatest comic

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Speaker 2: book movies of fucking all times agreed, It's incredible and

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Speaker 2: a person who like as a kid, I love those

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Speaker 2: made me feel really good and good, like really good

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Speaker 2: about Superman. I think the opening we're Superman crashes to

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Speaker 2: think that was really I think that was really smart

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Speaker 2: on several levels. One, we get to see Crypto and

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Speaker 2: it's great to be like, it's very James gunn to

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Speaker 2: be like, we're leaning into that everything that is super

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Speaker 2: weird about Yes, the character, any given character is important.

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Speaker 1: To the character. We're not going to ignore any of that.

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Speaker 1: So like we're not exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna like be like, Okay, well that's stupid

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Speaker 1: And then he wasn't yes, yes, no, put it in.

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Speaker 3: You're actually you're actually like so on a level with

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Speaker 3: he was like, this is an alternative history, fantasy world

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Speaker 1: So it's important on that level.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is that's the thing that Marvel

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Speaker 2: And then up till now, like numerous television shows. I

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Speaker 1: Superman's perfect. He's the perfect guy. You can't kill him.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, fasterest beating, bullet, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: important to show Superman at his lowest that like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Lex Luthor has been the main foil, one of the

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Speaker 3: Gave you that that man is Clauw Kent.

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Speaker 2: It made me feel great. I loved seeing that this

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Speaker 1: It exists, Yes, it exists.

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Speaker 1: It's great and it just made me feel good.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And so what he's important is that he project I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and we'll

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Speaker 3: something really interesting that Gunn said at the event was

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Speaker 3: don't think it's going to work. And apparently corn Sweat

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Speaker 3: That it's this kind of idea that he has beams

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Speaker 3: But I do think that we will see Lex unleash

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Speaker 3: whatever being or monster it is that manages the punch

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Speaker 3: Superman into the ground and destroy the Fortress of Solitude. Okay, Jason,

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Speaker 3: big final theory before we wrap up our trailer watch.

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Speaker 1: Big final theory. Here's my final theory.

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Speaker 2: I think Superman uh intercedes in whatever in that the

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Speaker 2: conflict in Brovia.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He can't help himself. He's been doing just local crime

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Speaker 2: fighting stuff and saving kids from burning buildings, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That really pisses Lex off because he's got his own

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Speaker 2: superhero team that he is that is being held out

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Speaker 2: of it because whatever other countries will be threatened if

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Speaker 2: we start using our superheroes internationally. This upsets the balance.

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Speaker 2: Lex is like, this is fucked up. We have to

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Speaker 2: take out Superman because he's destabilizing things then and you

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Speaker 2: go from there. I think that's basically what the shape

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Speaker 2: of it is going to be.

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Speaker 1: That's my guess. Your guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that sounds very similar. I think that

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Speaker 3: we'll probably get like whatever conflict is going on, where

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Speaker 3: we will see Lois interceding in it too in her

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Speaker 3: own way, putting ourselves in danger. I will also say,

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Speaker 3: this is my out there timfoil Hat theory. We've recently

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Speaker 3: Superwoman comic book with Lois Lane as Superwoman. I don't

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Speaker 3: think they're going to go that far, but there was

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Speaker 3: some very interesting eggshell treading by the three people who

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Speaker 3: were up on stage talking about I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 3: if we saw Lois get a power, some power something

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Speaker 3: by the end, So I would be interested to say

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Speaker 3: that that's my I would like to see it. But

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Speaker 3: also Lois is powerful enough by just being a journalist

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Speaker 3: with integrity, so I will be excited either way. And

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Speaker 3: I just honestly am surprised by how much I want

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Speaker 3: to see this movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm really twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five could could be the year of Superman. I

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Speaker 3: think Marvel's going to have to work really hard for

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Speaker 3: it to not be after seeing that.

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Speaker 1: Trailer and I meant for a TV.

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Speaker 3: Dude. I couldn't read it either. It's very hard. You

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Speaker 3: can read it on the TV soon passed it, so

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Speaker 3: you've got to pause it well.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 2: into the best movies of twenty twenty four and on

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Speaker 2: Christmas we'll be talking about the most happy and merry

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Speaker 2: and seasonal movie of them all. Thus fair to Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'll gather around the fire for that one.

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Speaker 3: First ever, n for that one maybe and.

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Speaker 2: More Skeleton Crew on Year's Eve, in which we will

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Speaker 2: covering episode one oh five of the Disney Plus series.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Ken, Supsion and

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Speaker 2: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our

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Speaker 2: executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising

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Speaker 2: producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent

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Speaker 2: and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 3: and Heidi on Discolled Moderata