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Speaker 1: in history. Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent the

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Speaker 1: Fishing Podcast. It's still even after all these years are

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Speaker 1: Miles Nulty and uh and to everyone out there listening,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a ship like straight up,

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Speaker 1: i am not the smoothest, the smoothest guy on the

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Speaker 1: when we say inflatable, we mean all parts. It's not

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Speaker 1: like inflatable with a hard frame like this seats like

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Speaker 1: there's no part of the boat that's not filled with air. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a rubber raft canoe kayak thing. Stability for for me,

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Speaker 1: for a man of my stature is like a huge factor.

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Speaker 1: And I've been I've been on several watercraft that were

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Speaker 1: built better than this, and I still got the jitters

429
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Speaker 1: like I recall a time that me and another fella

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Speaker 1: through giant swim baits on musky rods out of a

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Speaker 1: rickety ten foot John boat for a few days. But

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Speaker 1: I think that probably most of us have been on

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Speaker 1: boats like this right where it's like everything is going

434
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Speaker 1: to be fine as long as nobody moves. It's like

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Speaker 1: no sub movement, or like if I go this way,

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Speaker 1: you go that way and we don't have to be

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00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: in sync. It's it's yeah, yeah, or just go really

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Speaker 1: really slow and that's all fine. Again. This is the

439
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Speaker 1: kind of watercraft that is perfectly fine if you're booze cruising, right,

440
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: But fly casting requires motion and mobility and movement, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think John's gonna send this this rig off

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Speaker 1: any sweet jumps. That's That's what I'm guessing. Way to

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Speaker 1: rein that one back in we'd love to see a

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Speaker 1: video though, if you ever decided to shoot the shoots

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Speaker 1: in that sled though, John, Oh, good one, good one.

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00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: I'd also like to add that John concluded his email

447
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Speaker 1: by calling this fish a turning point and angling for him,

448
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: which is cool, but then he goes in ruins the

449
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: sentiment by adding that he hasn't picked up a flyer

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Speaker 1: out again since this day. That truly, to me, that's

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Speaker 1: the bummer of all of this, of the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: because again, despite all the ship we've been talking, the

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Speaker 1: main attribute to this photo that I want everyone to

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Speaker 1: take away is the joy of John, like he is

455
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: having a sublime life moment here. Yeah. And I know

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Speaker 1: we might attrashed you, but you were. You were happy

457
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: and and happiness matters in this day and age with

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Speaker 1: my friend. Um. Yes, John, please pick that fly right

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00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: back up again. You should. Um. Hopefully we've also just

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Speaker 1: created a turning point in your head gear choices. If

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00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: we had Bent hats, i'd send you one, but we don't,

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00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to settle for stickers. John. We

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Speaker 1: do appreciate you sending the photos so we could have

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Speaker 1: some fun with it. And remember, if you want to

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Speaker 1: be subjected to this madness, send your awkward fishing photos

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Speaker 1: to Bent at the meat eater dot com. Remember, you

467
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Speaker 1: guys can now see John's photo on me and Miles instagrams.

468
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: That's Joe dot Smellie one three eight and water Miles.

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00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: That's that's they're basking and all its glory on the interview. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: poor guy, poor guy. But in fairness it's critical. I

471
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Speaker 1: think that you learned the basics of macro photography for

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Speaker 1: tiny fish, which makes me wonder, like if maybe John

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Speaker 1: doesn't have Instagram, because if you know what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: even a little bit, like you can take a shot

475
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Speaker 1: of a four inch mud mineau and make people think

476
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Speaker 1: you're the ship. You know what I mean? If you

477
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: do it his way, you just just end up on

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Speaker 1: bent and get trampled over a hat. I really hope

479
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: that was like his favorite hat. I wonder, I wonder

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00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: if John's an archaeologist. I like, maybe that's his archaeologist hat,

481
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: or like maybe the hat that's been handed down through

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Speaker 1: his archaeologist generations of fans. I don't know. I'm making

483
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: up a store that that would make us real jerks

484
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: if we were like making fun of his lineage. Anyway,

485
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: speaking of getting trampled, let's head down river in an

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Speaker 1: inflatable flamingo toward the waterfall of uncertainty and see who

487
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: swan dives over that drop like a pro in Fish News,

488
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: Fish New that escalated quickly. All right, this this week,

489
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Speaker 1: I have a shout out. I want to start with,

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Speaker 1: if you've followed this show since the very beginning. You

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Speaker 1: might remember that our first ever end of the line

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00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: segment covered the beetle spin, and in that I wind

493
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: and complained that Johnson stopped making the magnum size at

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Speaker 1: some point, and recently, yeah, you remember me complaining about that.

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Speaker 1: So recently I got this photo from from listener Chris Lawler,

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Speaker 1: and there is holding up a brand new in the

497
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: box magnum sized beetle spin at his local tackle shop,

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00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, what did you find that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so at first I chucked it up to a

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Speaker 1: regional oddity because Chris lives in Canada. So I was thinking,

501
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: maybe Johnson decided to only market the larger sized beetle

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Speaker 1: spins up north. But that just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: So so now I figure I'm wrong. I gotta do

504
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: a little more digging, thinking new old stock, right, I

505
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, it's new old stock. I knew

506
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Speaker 1: something was up. I'm like the old stock, or like

507
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: but what what? What the hell is going on? So

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Speaker 1: I went back into internet whole and it turns out

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Speaker 1: you can still get the half ound sized beetle spins

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Speaker 1: here in the US. You just have to really look

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Speaker 1: for them specifically. Okay, if you search the Internet for

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Speaker 1: Johnson original beetle spin, which is what I did when

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Speaker 1: I was right in the end of line segment, you

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Speaker 1: will not find anything larger than a quarter ounce. If, however,

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Speaker 1: you google half ounce beetle spins, you will discover something different.

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Speaker 1: Long story short, it seems like the super sized beetle

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00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: spins somewhere got rebranded as salt water lures and separated

518
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: out from the original beatle spins, and so now they

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00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: only come with gold blades and are only available and

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00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: a handful of colors. But they do still exist. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to say thanks to Chris for sending

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Speaker 1: me down that deep, deep hole and also sending me

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Speaker 1: a couple and uh and forcing me to figure out

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Speaker 1: the mystery. Thanks Chris, based on on what you just said,

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00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: only gold and certain colors, what they're push and him

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00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: for what trout and redfish? Right? Trout and redfish? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: Well that's good news. Um, you and twelve other freshwater

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00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: fisherman is super excited right now, all right, I got

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Speaker 1: I got just one baby shout out quick one uh

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Speaker 1: to listener Anthony, it's either marchant or Marchant. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the two. Rarely do we get a name

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00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, it's just Smith, so that's okay. Um.

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Speaker 1: But he wrote in following up to our little convo

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00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: about good luck charms and and pre fishing rituals and

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00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: things like that, and I just thought this was fun

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00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna steal something from him, he wrote, after

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00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: the pre fish dump, but before the morning cigarette, when

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00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: we are gathering our gear, I will look over at

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00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: my brother Alex or my buddy Nick and go, you

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00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: boys ready to get skunked, or you boys ready to

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00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: wash some loures. We do this to lower expectations and

542
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: not get worried about catching any fish. I have never

543
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: heard somebody say you ready to wash some loures. Nope,

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Speaker 1: And I am stealing that, Anthony. That's a good one.

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00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm taking it. So that's it. That's my shout out. Wash.

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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: I washed a lot of loures. You'll probably be washing

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00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: some magnum beetlespins pretty soon. Good stuff, good stuff, alright,

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00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: on too news. As a friendly reminder, this is a competition, Miles,

549
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: and I do not know what stories the other guy

550
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: is bringing at the table. At the end of it,

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00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: as always are, our audio engineer, Phil the Ayatollah of

552
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Rock and Roller, will judge us and declare winner. And

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00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: right after that we're gonna do a little trivia with

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00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: our friend Mandy Yorick. You are up man, you have

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00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: the the you get to start today, all right. Uh

556
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Speaker 1: So for my first story, I'm gonna I'm gonna be

557
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: sticking with that that that Canada theme I brought up

558
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: my shout at and I'm also gonna be piggybacking a

559
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: little bit off of what Sam Lungeren covered last week

560
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: when he was on here talking about is he still

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Speaker 1: Is he still alive? Before we go last I heard,

562
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I heard, I have not received any It did a

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00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: couple days ago. He's not dead and I don't think

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00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't think any of badsab to him yet. So um,

565
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: you guys, remember he was talking about concerns over Olympic

566
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Speaker 1: Peninsula steel head potentially getting listed under the Federal Endangered

567
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Speaker 1: Species Act and how that would impact fishing for them

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00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: and the whole culture of steel heading out there. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna move from the northwest to the even

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Speaker 1: farther northeast and talk about a similar situation playing out

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Speaker 1: on the East coast of Canada. The Department of Fisheries

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Speaker 1: and Oceans is considering listing certain Atlantic salmon populations under

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Speaker 1: the Species At Risk Act or SARAH, which is the

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Speaker 1: Canadian equivalent of the E s A. If it goes through,

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Speaker 1: this listing would apply to salmon populations in over a

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Speaker 1: hundred thirty rivers in Quebec, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador. Okay,

577
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: so let's start with with some basic facts about Atlantic

578
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Speaker 1: salmon populations in Canada. Much like the ste letting the OP,

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00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: they're not doing so hot. They've dropped from about nine

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00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand mature fish returning in about one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 1: and that's approximately four thousand fish below the estimated minimum

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Speaker 1: to maintain a viable population. Also, much like the steelhead

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Speaker 1: in the OP, the reason for these continuing declines are

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Speaker 1: numerous and they're not easily fixed. So the Canadian Committee

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Speaker 1: on the Status of Endangered Wildlife has recommended a threatened

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Speaker 1: or endangered listing, which the Department of Fisheries and Oceans

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00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: or DFO, is currently considering. That might sound like a

588
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: good idea, right The fisher in terrible shape. Give them

589
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: the highest level of protection available. Let's save these bastards.

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00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: But salmon conservation groups disagree. The Margarite Salmon Foundation, St.

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Speaker 1: Mary's River Association, Nova Scotia Salmon Association, and Atlantic Salmon

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00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Federation are voicing strong opposition to the listing and spearheading

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00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: a campaign to pressure the Canadian government to stay away

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00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: from this move. Again, I'm gonna feel familiar that you've

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00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: heard these arguments before. Yeah, listing these populations could put

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Speaker 1: an end to recreational fishing, which would alienate the primary

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: advocates that the fish currently have. We all know anglers

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: put more time, effort, and money into saving the fish

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: they love than anyone else, including you know, the pea

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00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: people and the conservation groups. Right, so taking away our

601
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: ability to fish for them could functionally cut off all

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00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: that major support. And you know, even better than I do,

603
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: the kind of money that Atlantic standon fishermen dropped like big, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: I'll have several things to say so but I'm not done.

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00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: But like that, that's that is one group of anglers

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00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: who spends money, right and so yeah, So advocates also

607
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: worried that the closing these rivers would put additional pressure

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Speaker 1: on the rivers that are still in good shape. Right.

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Speaker 1: These are all arguments we've heard elsewhere, but some of

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Speaker 1: their concerns did feel unique to me and seem to

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Speaker 1: go even further. According to the Guysborough Journal, which is

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Speaker 1: a regional newspaper Nova Scotia, a SARAH listing does not

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Speaker 1: compel DFO or other government agencies to do anything about

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Speaker 1: the actual threats a species might face, such as resource extraction, agriculture,

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Speaker 1: and unregulated fishing. In a statement on their website, People

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Speaker 1: for Salmon Atlantic Salmon Federation states SARAH would take people

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Speaker 1: off the water, threatening a long tradition of shared stewardship.

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00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: Yet experience shows that serious threats like open netpen salmon

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Speaker 1: aquaculture would be left alone. Dear Dr Green, a board

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Speaker 1: member for the St. Mary's River Association, claims, when a

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Speaker 1: species is listed under SARAH, there is a general prohibition

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Speaker 1: against harming and harassing that species. This has been known

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Speaker 1: to impact critical research, recovery and restoration efforts. So it's

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00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: possible that sting these fish could not only like prohibit

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00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: fishing for them, and not actually help the major issues

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Speaker 1: or stop the major issues that are threatening these populations,

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Speaker 1: but could also limit the ability of researchers and conservation

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Speaker 1: groups to study and manage these fish and fisheries, as

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Speaker 1: doing so might fall into the category of harassing protected wildlife.

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Speaker 1: I do have to say the Department of Fisheries and

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Speaker 1: Oceans is still considering this issue, and they have stated

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Speaker 1: publicly that even if they do list these populations as endangered,

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Speaker 1: they may still allow recreational fishing and other research and

634
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: conservation activities. So all of this is to say, Canadian listeners,

635
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: and we know there are some of you out there,

636
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: if you care about salmon, this is a good time

637
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: to write an email to your Minister of Parliament and

638
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and tell them what

639
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: you think. Remind them that fishing is conservation, that that

640
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: anglers can and should be conservationists and stewards of the resource.

641
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Their decision on this listing is expected later than this year,

642
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: and they're they're taking public comments, So I think now

643
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: is the time to no matter how this goes down,

644
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: get your voices heard so it doesn't go in the

645
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: way that all of these groups are worried it might

646
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: go yeah, yeah, no, And I totally agree with that,

647
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: and I will say I am certainly no expert by

648
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: any means on Atlantic salmon. I fished for them in

649
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: in in the Canadian Maritimes once. I thought it was awesome. Um,

650
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: But it's one of those species that that me and

651
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: a lot of other East Coasters in general, like you're

652
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: intrigued by. Like I have friends we've talked about doing

653
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Atlantic salmon trips for years. We never actually get around

654
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: to doing it. But I'm I'm just intrigued by these fish.

655
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: And you you brought up, you know, spending money. Um.

656
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: The one thing that that I think is different here

657
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: or strange. Again, I'm not that familiar with the totality

658
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: of the West Coast steel scene either, but it just

659
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: seems a little different to me because I almost feel like,

660
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: if you really want to experience Atlantic salmon fishing in Canada,

661
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: good Atlantic salmon fishing, you have to be willing to

662
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: pay a shipload of money to do it, like you

663
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: you cannot just you can't just go up there and fish.

664
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So, I mean, part of

665
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: the reason why I've I've never I've never gotten there,

666
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: like I've always wanted to do um, the rest of Gooche.

667
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: There's a few rivers up there that I've always wanted

668
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: to do, but you're not exactly getting media invites, and

669
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of coin. So this is

670
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: interesting to me that these fish are are that they're

671
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: attributing any hurt really towards over recreational fishing, because from

672
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: my view, and again this is my ignorance, it seems

673
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: like in the overall scheme of things, there's so few

674
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: people doing it because it is such an elite thing

675
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: to do that that really this is harming in the

676
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: overall scheme of things, a very small amount of anglers.

677
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: It's not like saying, well, you can't nobody can trout

678
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: fish uh in in Montana, It's like tons of people

679
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: do that. The Atlantic salmon thinks seems like such a

680
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: small group of very rich people that do it, you know.

681
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's true for travel anglers. I

682
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: think that the local cultures of those places are still

683
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: very much tied to Atlantic salmon fishing. And those aren't

684
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: those aren't huge communities, but the people who live there, man,

685
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: that's in their blood. It's what they do, it's what

686
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: they've always done, and I'm the same boat man. I've

687
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: always wanted to fish at lang Sam, and I've never

688
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: done it because the same deal right now. No one's

689
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: offering up media trips to go at like salmon fishing

690
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: because they don't have to and I can't afford it,

691
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: So I've never done Uh. But I do think one

692
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: thing to point out this is this legislation, this, this

693
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: potential listing is not aimed at angling. That would just

694
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: be a consequence of it. They're talking about listening to

695
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: them just because they're in really bad shape, and the

696
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: angling groups are jumping on that and saying whoa, whoa,

697
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: we'll hold on. If you do that, you're gonna push

698
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: us out. And I think that's gonna have unintended consequences

699
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: that you don't want. So I don't see this as

700
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: like the big bad government trying to attack anglers. I

701
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: think there's an opportunity where anglers need to step in

702
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: and say like, hey, we're on your side, We're part

703
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: of the solution here, let's work together. No, and I

704
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: completely understand that. I think I know they're not targeting anglers.

705
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: I just if you look at these two stories side

706
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: by side, the Steelhead and the Olympic and and and

707
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: the salmon totally understand. I have friends up there who

708
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: live up there, and yeah, they spend a lot of

709
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: time Atlantic salmon fishing. They're lucky enough to live where

710
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: the waters in their backyard have wild freaking Atlantic salmon,

711
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: which I think would just be the bomb. I can't

712
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: even imagine that, um, But it's it's a harder fight,

713
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: I think, to to bring that awareness to on our

714
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: side of the border, because it is such a small

715
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: group people that are going to do that. Like, I

716
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: want to see this work out, because I still have

717
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: that dream and I don't want to get off on it.

718
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: But I I fished the mirror machee one time and

719
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: we did very well. But we also did it in

720
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: the spring during black salmon season, and I was ignorant

721
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: and didn't really understand the difference between the two. So

722
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: while it was cool and it was super fun, I've

723
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: never had that bright silver eating a bomber experience, you know,

724
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Like I haven't had that yet, and I hope to

725
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: do it. I'll just say that I don't want to

726
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: have to go to Russia to have that experience, which

727
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: you kind of do right now, exactly but it's also

728
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: I will say, it's also a bummer, um, just to

729
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: hear that. It's so problematic because so many states in

730
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: the US have tried to re establish their runs, and

731
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: in the back of your head it's always like, man,

732
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: they're faced with so many issues. I don't know if

733
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm ever going to see that in my lifetime. But

734
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, hey, if I I can always go to Canada,

735
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: if I really want to, I can always go to Canada.

736
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: And now to hear that ship like that might be

737
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: off the table too, not good, Like that's that's not good. So, um,

738
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope that works out because I

739
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: will get there someday. Uh. In the meantime, I have

740
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: a feel good story. Yeah, this is a much more

741
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: feel good story than that. Uh. And it's winters, so

742
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: I just generally don't feel good, you know. So this

743
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: is like a ray of sunshine in my cold, bleak existence. Uh.

744
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: And several listeners actually sent this my way, and it

745
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: comes to us from USA today headline angler hooks giant

746
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Lake trout while on the phone with surgeon. Okay, so

747
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: uh this happened also in Canada. We're very Canadian today.

748
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: I just realized there's just nothing good going on in

749
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: the States. Now that I think about it, my second

750
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: story is not in the US either, Do something, people

751
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: make some news, help us out here. Uh So this

752
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: happened in Canada, British Columbia, um and not long ago.

753
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Fifty seven year old Murray Zelt had to have emergency

754
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: surgery to remove an obstruction in his intestines and that

755
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: went well. He recovered nicely, but naturally after surgery, you

756
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: make a follow up appointment right with your doctor. And

757
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: now Murray lives in the town of one hundred mile House, Okay,

758
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: and the closest big town I guess with legit medical

759
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: facilities is cam Loops, where we get all those famous

760
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: rainbow trout, you know, the Camloops fish. But that's roughly

761
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: two and a half hours away from where Mary lives. Well,

762
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: the morning that he was supposed to head to that

763
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: the doctor's office, he gets a call that, due to

764
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: newly tightened restrictions because of the COVIDS, they wanted to

765
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: switch his follow up to a phone call instead of

766
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: in person. So Murray says, hell, I'm up early. I

767
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: got up mad early to drive to cam Loops. Now

768
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: I don't have to go to cam Loops. I'm as

769
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: well go ice fishing at nearby Horse Lake. And I

770
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: really don't think he had to think about this too

771
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: hard because just two days earlier he had caught his

772
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: personal best lake trout through the ice on Horse Lake

773
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: and that was a nice fourteen pounder, good fish. Right,

774
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: So Mary heads to Horse drills a bunch of holes

775
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: and gets after it. Uh. And he jigs for a

776
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: couple of hours with nothing, no, no, zero bites, and

777
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: then his surgeon calls and Mury begins his post surgery

778
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: follow up. Um, and the doctor had all good news,

779
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: said everything is great, you look good, and then as oh,

780
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: by the way, you're free to resume outdoor activities now.

781
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: So the irony and that right out of the gate, right,

782
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: But as those words came out of his surgeon's mouth,

783
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Murray's jig gets slammed. So what does he do? Right?

784
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: He puts the surgeon on speaker phone naturally, and his

785
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: surgeon is is apparently an avid angler, and they enjoyed

786
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: the fight together via cell signal. Okay with his surgeon

787
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: post follow up. So so he immediately had to admit,

788
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry interrupt, but immediately had a been like I'm

789
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: allowed to. Yeah, he was like she's sitting on He's like,

790
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on a frozen lake right now. So I

791
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: just got wrecked. Check this out with the clearance. Here's

792
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: the kicker, right, here's the kicker, the laker that he

793
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: hooked while on the phone with the surgeon, Wade twenty

794
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: seven pounds, shattering Murray's other PB by thirteen whole. Damn

795
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: isn't that great? Isn't that? Isn't that nice? And most

796
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: impressive to me is um the quality of the cell

797
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: reception on horse Laking because I looked it up on

798
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: a map and y'all are out there, Like I would

799
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: have just assumed that was you know, like, please God

800
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: let this text go through country. So you know, I

801
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a wonderful story. And I also give

802
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: the surgeon credit, like this is a guy who's probably

803
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: very busy and very official, but like he hung around

804
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: on the phone to listen to the lake traffic get caught.

805
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: That was probably the highlight of his day, Let's be honest.

806
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's someone dying in the next room,

807
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: but I gotta hear how this ends. We'll get to

808
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: the we'll get to the gall stones later. What do

809
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: you got what? Yeah, so congrats to marry. Mary looks

810
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: like a character in his photos. He's like he's the

811
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: way he's smiling with his with his fur hat on.

812
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: He looks like somebody in grumpy old men who would

813
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: be really fun to hang out with, Like I like,

814
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: I feel like Murray would be a good time to

815
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: to jig lakers with. I like anyone who fishes in

816
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: a fur hat. I'll admit that you started this story

817
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: out by describing how you your cold bleak winter existence.

818
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: I believe I believe those are the words you use

819
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: very much. So, yeah, that is my story. Is is

820
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: about our collective cold bleak winter existence and somebody who's

821
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: trying to maybe make it a little less bleak. It's

822
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: it's a little short. I don't have a lot to

823
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: say about this. I just think it's it's kind of

824
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: cool and uh. It's about the use of de icing

825
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: salt on roadways. If you, if any of you out

826
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: there living in Arizona or Florida, someplace that doesn't have

827
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: ice U there are states and cities in parts of

828
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: the world where we get regular snowfall and uh, and

829
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: that snowfall you just call it salt. It's not It's

830
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: just salt. The people in Flagstaff are really hating us

831
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: right now. But there are other in northern climbs. We

832
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: get we get the snow and the ice, and it

833
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: takes up on the roads and and makes for dangerous

834
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: driving conditions right and and cities and and and states

835
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: and towns will spread some combination of sodium, potassium and

836
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: magnesium chlorides on the road ahead of, during and after snowstorms.

837
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: These compounds lower the freezing point of water and make

838
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: the snow and ice melt faster, and at least in theory,

839
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: make the roads safer. Here in the US, we use

840
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, like two hundred million tons

841
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: per year, which I didn't realize until I check this out,

842
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: and I I used half it out on my driveway,

843
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It might make traction on

844
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: the roads better. But these these salt compounds also have drawbacks,

845
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: as anyone who has ever lived in a state that

846
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: used a lot of roads will tell you. They wreak

847
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: havoc on the undercarriage your vehicle by causing rust and corrosion.

848
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: You probably know about this I'm guessing is just gonna

849
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: say I had just had my whole try reframed, and

850
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure the salt had something to do with it. Definitely,

851
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: it definitely did. And it's not just bad on vehgles.

852
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: It's really bad on vehicles, but it also damages roads

853
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: and bridges and like messes up all kinds of infrastructure.

854
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's bad for things, and I'm speaking specifically

855
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: of things like cars and roads and bridges and metal.

856
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: It's great for not getting sued by ups like you

857
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: don't want him to slip on your step, you know

858
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm not I'm not negating the necessity

859
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: of these things. I'm just I'm just pointing out that

860
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: they have some drawbacks, and some of them are environmental

861
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: because all the all the snow and the ice it melts,

862
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: it turns into water, and the water carries the chemical

863
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: compounds into streams and rivers and wetlands and lakes and oceans.

864
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be talking about your own state and

865
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: this at all? We don't use it? You're not. That's

866
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: why I was gonna ask. That's why I was gonna say,

867
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: because Montana, like you guys, are a big no no

868
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: on salt. We're we're a big note. I'm not. I

869
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: decided I kind of admitted this out of that story

870
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: because I don't thin anyone care that much. But yeah,

871
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: we we avoid it for just this reason. No, I

872
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: don't want bring it up because the last time I

873
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: was out there and there was heavy snow and I

874
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: was sliding all over the place walking around town. I'm like,

875
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: why doesn't somebody salt this ship? They were like, oh, no,

876
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: don't say that, we don't. There's no salt here. I'm like,

877
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: what anyway, we love our trout too much, dude, we

878
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: love our trout. No, it's a good thing. You're smarter

879
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: for it. It's a good thing. So there's all the

880
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: context and and this little fun little twist. Bentleister John Brewer,

881
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: whose name should sound familiar since we just made fun

882
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: of him fishing photo, sent us a story from the

883
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: magazine Popular Science, and and that story is written by

884
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: Monica Blazynski, who's a materials scientist working on alternatives to

885
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: d icing salts. She's analyzing how how fish, insects, and

886
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: plants deal with ice in an attempt to develop more

887
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: benign anti freeze compounds one of the most promising potential

888
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: sources fish blood. Species like the Antarctic toothfish create glycoproteins

889
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: that keep their blood from freezing even in the coldest

890
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: waters on Earth. Blazinski and her colleagues have now isolated

891
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: a compound in those glycoproteins primarily responsible for their anti

892
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: freeze characteristics. She writes, these small compounds lock into place

893
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: with water molecules like a key in a lock to

894
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: prevent ice from forming. And I'm sure that is a

895
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: massive oversimplification for people like me, but I can kind

896
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: of see it now. You can't just dump a bunch

897
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: of fish blood on an icy road and have it

898
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: do the same thing. It's salt like that that that

899
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: won't work. The glycoproteins break down quickly in open air,

900
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: and frankly, that's probably good news for the Antaric toothfish,

901
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: because otherwise they might be in trouble. I already haven't

902
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: seen one in years. I was wondering how they were

903
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: doing where I used to catch them all the time.

904
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: So instead of doing that, we're not just like slaughtering

905
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: these fish and spreading their blood everywhere. Blazynski and her

906
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: colleagues have discovered that polyvinyl alcohol, an inexpensive compound that's

907
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: non toxic to humans and aquatic life, is surprisingly similar

908
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: to the active anti freeze agent in fish blood. They're

909
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: working to engineer slight changes to the chemical structure of

910
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: p v A based on what they're they're learning from

911
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: studying the fish to create a cheap, readily available d

912
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: icing compound that will not rust your car or pollute

913
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: your rivers. So there you go, Like, that's my favorite

914
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: story for the day. Yeah, that's great. I saw this

915
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: headline and at first I thought they were going to

916
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: try and like figure out how to do this with

917
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: fish blood, but basically they're learning from the fish blood

918
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: how to synthesize this. Yes, yes, no, no actual fish blood.

919
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm all for that, I really am. And you know,

920
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: we're we're joking about the salt out here. I feel

921
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: like salting out here. It's one of those things that

922
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: most people know, like it's it's really not good, but

923
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: we're so in it, man, like we're so ingrained in it.

924
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: It's it's just not going away, Like it's not You

925
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: can buy salt for people who don't live in salt

926
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: places where you need when you need the ship. You

927
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: can buy salt anywhere, like as of Thanksgiving, Like you

928
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: can go to the gas station they're selling bags of

929
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: salt out in front of the seven eleven there bags

930
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: of salt. You can go to the post office and

931
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: they got salt. And like, it's so crazy here. If

932
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: there's snow forecast for five days from now, they start

933
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: salting the ship today, Like they'll be salt on the

934
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: roads today. I I think I think this is great.

935
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: I just I applaud Montana, And I'm sure there's other

936
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: states where they like really took that to heart and

937
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: we're like, we don't need to do this to get

938
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: through our winter. Here, man, five days out, chance of flurries,

939
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: get the trucks out there, salt that ship down. You

940
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: could cure meat on the day on the damn street. Dude,

941
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: don't like the kids just don't do it. Yeah, but no,

942
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: I think I think that would be incredibly smart if

943
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: we could figure out how to do that. And and

944
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: it is no joke. Yeah, I mean, you know, the

945
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: fish is one thing, Yes, that's obviously very important to us,

946
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: but the truck stuff is no joke either. Man. I

947
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: mean my frame just rotted straight through. So if you

948
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with that, good for you. Um well,

949
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: I will incorporate fish blood in a sense into my

950
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: next story, as well as probably a pinch or two

951
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: of salt. Okay, because we bang bang on right there.

952
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: We recently got an email from a listener that said,

953
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: we don't dabble in fish cookery on this on this

954
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: program as much as he would like. And I kind

955
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: of disagree because apparently he missed my riveting expose of

956
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: fermented sushi a few weeks ago. Where were you on

957
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: that one, bud? But that's okay, it's all right. I'm

958
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna try and make up for it with this one.

959
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: And this comes to us, of all places, from the

960
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: South China Morning Post headline pet food Malaysian woman's koi

961
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: soup raises eyebrows after she makes meal out of dead fish.

962
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: And it's exactly good word play, right there, pet food,

963
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. Say see, they're pretty smart,

964
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: they're pretty smart. Good journalism. We're there. Um it's exactly

965
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: what it sounds like. This is from the story just

966
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit here. Japanese ki are typically thought of

967
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: as expensive ornamental fish rather than food, so a Malaysian

968
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: woman calls quite a stir on social media when she

969
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: shared pictures of her dead Petki being turned into soup.

970
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Amanda omt you A first posted the photos on a

971
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: Facebook group with more than two million members called cooking

972
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: Fails of the Day. Al Right, so that's that's she's

973
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: that's where she went. Okay, that's where she went. Okay.

974
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: In her post at you included a photo of over

975
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: a dozen of her dead pet Koi fish laying on

976
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: the floor, which, according to her, all died of suffocation

977
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: when her domestic helper forgot to turn off the water

978
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: supply to the fish tank, resulting in low oxygen. Now

979
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: I read that and reread that several times. And I'm

980
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: not a fish tank nerd, but do you think they

981
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: meant that the domestic helper forgot to turn on the

982
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: water supply. Like, if you forgot to turn off the

983
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: water supply, wouldn't your COI be overly oxygen eated? I

984
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: would think think about that, doesn't You're right? That doesn't

985
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: make it unless there's just some weird stuff in the No.

986
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't figure out how that, dude. Some

987
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: some some tank people are gonna write and be like,

988
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: oh you pH and I always keep my fine. I

989
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I just caught me off guard.

990
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: That didn't seem right to me. It's irrelevant and the

991
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: long run, um, anyway, this woman documented every single step

992
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: of this process. So first it's it's more than a

993
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: dozen deadki. Then there's the shot of all the beautiful

994
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: koi hacked into a million pieces in a strainer, right,

995
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: just like rough, it's a rough chop with a cleaver, right.

996
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: And then you've got a pot full of ki simmering

997
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: on the stove, and then the finished product, a steaming

998
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: hot bowl of koi soup. Now here's the thing, right,

999
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: They're just carp That's all they are right there. Yeah,

1000
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: they're very pretty carp And lots of people, Asians, especially

1001
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: eat carp. That's not weird. It's part of their culture.

1002
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: They eat carp all the time. But despite knowing this,

1003
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: the shot of the bowl, the finished bowl of soup

1004
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: makes me gag a little. And I attribute this gagging

1005
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: to two things. It's one, it's just the color of

1006
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: the fish. Like there's a very vibrant, still very vibrant,

1007
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: bright orange and white koi head in the middle of

1008
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: the bowl with those boiled out, glazed over eyeballs, and

1009
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's just off putting. I'm sorry. In second,

1010
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: the broth looks like dirty dishwater like it looks to

1011
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: me like it would have no flavor other than that

1012
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: of your pellet fed ki. So I know the eating

1013
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: of carp is not weird, but I mean, you saw

1014
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: the pick. Does the soup look good to you? Does

1015
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: it look like good soup? So you set me these

1016
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: photos and uh no, it it doesn't look like the

1017
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: fish soup that I prefer to make. But you know what,

1018
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't think you can judge, particularly a soup, just

1019
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: by how it looks. You eat with your eyes. First, man,

1020
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: come on, if one of my boys in Louisiana threw

1021
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: a coin in some gumbo, I'd be like, oh, that

1022
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: looks delicious, spicy pacanti. It's just like a bowl of

1023
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: starchy potato water with a giant ki head in the

1024
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: middle of it. Dude, I'm I'm saying I would reserve judgment.

1025
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: I would try it, and I would reserve judgment until

1026
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: trying it. And I don't have the highest hopes because,

1027
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: like you said, these are pellet fedki I don't think

1028
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the most the tastiest to all the fishes,

1029
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: but I've been wrong before. Even if she made the

1030
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: soup out of regular carps, she bought up the fish

1031
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: market and posted it to to a cooking Facebook group,

1032
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: I'd still be like, well, that looks shitty, Like that

1033
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: doesn't The coy just takes to a whole other level.

1034
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: But the vibrant colors, I got to admit, dude, the

1035
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: vibrant colors in the super are are just a little strange.

1036
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: As you are off, it does it's it throws you off.

1037
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: So um. Anyway, some of the comments from the social

1038
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: media post are interesting, and remember this is on an

1039
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: Asian version of Facebook. This isn't our Facebook, so these

1040
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: were all translated in the story. But one person wrote,

1041
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: no way, they are too cute. Another jested that this

1042
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: was a dish for nobility, and my personal favorite, someone

1043
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: asked how they were because if they were good, they'd

1044
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: consider setting up a tank and rearing them just for

1045
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: eating purposes, like to have your own like like like

1046
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: like raising chickens. That'd be very expensive cheap. I don't

1047
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: know what coit costs over there, but they are they

1048
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: are not cheap, so um yeah, KOI soup. I mean

1049
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't wasteful. I guess. I guess it's better than

1050
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: put them in a garbage back. And they surely would

1051
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: have clogged the toilet, especially one of those low pressure toilets.

1052
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: Like there's no way you're getting all them down. I

1053
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: fully support it. I fully supported you know you had

1054
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: the toy. They're dead, they're fresh. I might have tried,

1055
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: I might have gone with a different preparation, but I

1056
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I the basic idea of what she was doing, I'm

1057
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: fully in favor of. I probably would have fried him,

1058
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: but I'm an American, so of course I'm gonna fry them.

1059
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: What the hell else am I gonna do? I'm not

1060
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: creative enough to think of other ways to prepare my fish. Uh? So,

1061
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: I love what she was doing. And I think she

1062
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: was trolling everybody, and I think that's kind of fun too.

1063
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: I think she was just like, look what I did.

1064
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: I ate my pets. How piste offer you people? Now?

1065
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: Now Phil has got to troll everything we just went through.

1066
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: What do you want to do this week? Phil? Do

1067
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: you wanna play hookey on your surgeon? Uh? And and

1068
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: go ice fishing. You want to spread some rock salt

1069
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: across the streets in Montana. Uh, cook some cook, some

1070
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: Koi soup, save some Atlantic salmon. Lots of options, and uh,

1071
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: we'll see what Phil comes back with. The winner of

1072
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: fish News this week is John Brewer. John, between your

1073
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: awkward fishing photo and contribution to fish News, you're practically

1074
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: a third co host this week. I hope Joe and

1075
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Myles send you more stickers than you know what to

1076
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: do with. And I cannot wait to hear your end

1077
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: of the line segment. You gotta be highly skilled for

1078
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: these shows. You understand that? Are you well versed? There?

1079
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: You very smart man? All right? Today's trivia contestant is

1080
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorite Minnesotans of all time, Mandy Yuric. Hey, guys,

1081
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: how's it going good? So for those you out there

1082
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: who don't know Mandy, first of all, you should. But

1083
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: she's a She's a tournament angler, an ice fishing savant.

1084
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from her, radio, TV host, phishing

1085
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: gear designer, former hunting guide, and uh, most importantly for

1086
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: this segment, a trained biologist. And I know I missed

1087
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: some stuff there, Mandy, because you do like everything. But thanks,

1088
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for coming on. No, this is awesome,

1089
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for the invite. Yeah, of course, so you're ready

1090
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: to play. You're gonna do some trivia. I'm ready to play,

1091
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: all right. So, so, like we just nailed all those

1092
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: things you do put on your biologist had for this one, right,

1093
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: and and to start off with this isn't the actual

1094
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: trivia question. I'm just kind of checking you out here.

1095
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: Do you know off the top of your head the

1096
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: scientific name for smallmouth bass? No? And I should No,

1097
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have either. And I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher

1098
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: the pronunciation, but I figured you'll probably help me with that.

1099
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it microp terris or micropterus? Yes, she

1100
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: doesn't know either. That makes me feel better, all right,

1101
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: So I'm going with microp terraces Dolo mew right, that's her.

1102
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: That's your scientific name for the small mouth. And in

1103
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: a very roundabout way, smallmouth share some of their taxonomic

1104
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: history with one of the greatest black exploitation films in history,

1105
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: which is, of course Dolomite. Right, have you seen Dolomite?

1106
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: Mandy just jump in real quick and say I've heard

1107
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: this question, good, best of luck. Miles went so far

1108
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: out in last field I went, I went deep on

1109
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: this one. So the question for you today is this,

1110
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: how did smallmouth bass end up with a Dolomite inspired name?

1111
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: And one of the following three things is true. If

1112
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: you get this right, you win, and you'll get a

1113
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: great fame and absolutely no fortune at all. All right,

1114
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: So here we got a copy of Dolomite one. No,

1115
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: it'll be VHS or maybe beta max. I'm going beta max,

1116
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: all right, So is it a Rudy ray Moore, the

1117
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: creator and star of Dolomite, once did odd jobs in

1118
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: a fisheries lab that did research on smallmouth. He told

1119
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: one of the lead investigators that he should name smallmouth

1120
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: after Dolomite because quote, that's a badass fish and it

1121
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: needs a badass name. Second option B. In his youth,

1122
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: Rudy Raymore spent a lot of time in Detroit with

1123
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: his uncle Frankie. The two regularly fish that Detroit and

1124
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: Huron rivers. Young Rudy was kind of a science geek,

1125
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: so he memorized the Latin names of all the fish

1126
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: they caught. When Rudy invented his famous pimp character Dolomite.

1127
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: Decades later, he named it after his favorite fish, the

1128
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: smallmouth or see. In eighteen o two, a small mouth

1129
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: bass was sent to Paris from an unknown source in

1130
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: the US. The theologist to examine the specimen gave it

1131
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: the scientific name Dolomue, after one of his drinking buddies,

1132
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: a local mineralogist who he idolized because of Dolomu's reputation

1133
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: with the ladies. Subsequently, the rock Dolomite was also named

1134
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: after Dolomue, again probably due to the guy's reputation as

1135
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: a player. Because he didn't even discover that mineral. Carl

1136
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: Linneaz did, all right, So to recap to recap, because

1137
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: I know I just gave you a lot, I'm gonna

1138
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just give you a short recap. Here is

1139
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: it a. The creator of the movie Dolomite also named

1140
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: the smallmouth bass b The creator of the movie Dolomite

1141
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: named his famous character after the smallmouth bass or see.

1142
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: Small mouth bass were named after a famous French ladies

1143
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: man whose reputation as a player was so good. He

1144
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: also got the mineral Dolomite name for him, even though

1145
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: he didn't discover it. I gotta go a ce man.

1146
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: That's an epic answer. I don't care if it's true

1147
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: or not. That thing's epics nails it for you. Because

1148
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: when I tried this questions, I was like, I don't

1149
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: remember anything you just said. I was just so excited

1150
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: to make a connection between dolomite and smallmouth bass that

1151
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't let it go. Yeah, you went way off

1152
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: the rails with that one, just way off alright. But

1153
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, I feel like I have to defend

1154
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: myself because I wanted to ask many a smallmouth question, right,

1155
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: because she's like a small mouth savant and she's a biologist,

1156
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: and so I was. I was. I was digging in there,

1157
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: and I learned the scientific name for small mouth. I

1158
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: learned that it shares the same root as dolomite, which

1159
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: was just too much for me to pass up. And

1160
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: then I learned the history of how both the mineral

1161
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: dolomite and the small mouth got their name from a

1162
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: French society scientists better known for his infidelity than his research.

1163
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: And I could not leave it alone. I realized that

1164
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 1: when when I went out like way out in left field,

1165
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: but I couldn't help myself. I'm sorry. I know, it's

1166
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: just all those things. It's just so you, it's just

1167
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: so Miles. Those things. Well, thankfully Mandy has been on

1168
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: the show before and even played trivia before, Otherwise she

1169
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: may never come back again after that. I I think

1170
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: Mandy learned something, That's what I think, and I I

1171
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: happen to know that she is the kind of person

1172
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: who appreciates learning. So I think I think Mandy will

1173
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: be back. I hope she'll be back, and she'll be back.

1174
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: We'll have her back. I'll get her back. If she

1175
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: soured on you, I'll get her back. Look if she's busy.

1176
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: If she's busy the next time we call her, that

1177
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: will just be one more thing for me to feel

1178
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: shameful about. On the Shame Wizard Shame. But, as you're

1179
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: about to hear an end of the line, Joe is

1180
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: currently feeling completely shameless, especially for a guy who supposedly

1181
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: saddled with Roman Catholic guilt. This week, in honor of

1182
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: the pending Valentine's Day, or as I like to call it,

1183
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: corporate Loveday, Joe is going to take a slight departure

1184
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: from our standard profile of like a single bait and

1185
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: instead dig into the backstory of an entire bait manufacturing

1186
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: company that definitely did not suffer the shackles of shame.

1187
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: That's not loud enough. Compacting everything Frank Johnson contributed to

1188
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: Fishing into a single end of the line segment would

1189
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: be almost possible. To say he was an innovator is

1190
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: an understatement. Engineering genius is very fitting. And while I

1191
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: never had the chance to spend time with Frank, who

1192
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: passed away in twenty six, I have rubbed elbos with

1193
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people that did, and they've all got stories.

1194
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: While Frank was a brilliant, book smart man, he also

1195
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: knew how to have a good time, and in the

1196
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: case of our Valentine's linked story today, he knew how

1197
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: to translate a good time into a smart business move.

1198
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: Although Frank invented products like the aluminum interchangeable UNI butt system,

1199
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: which has pretty much become standard on all big game

1200
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: trolling rods, he is arguably best known as the man

1201
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: behind mold Craft Loures. Frank had gotten into the injection

1202
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: molding business in the early nineteen seventies and actually helped

1203
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: develop the tooling to create the first ever mass produced pacemaker.

1204
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: But after a few years, the stress of developing products

1205
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: like pacemakers and jet engine parts that could cost someone

1206
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: their life if you messed up kind of took its toll.

1207
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: And that's when Frank combined his engineering skills and his

1208
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: lifelong love of fishing to create the first soft injection

1209
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: molded one piece big game trolling lures, trademarking the term

1210
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: soft head to refer to his family of baits. Frank

1211
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: would end up developing lures like the wide Range, Bobby Brown,

1212
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: and Spooler, all of which are still in shops today

1213
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: and considered timeless classics in the offshore scene, having caught

1214
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: countless monster marlin sailfish in Wahoo the world over. But

1215
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: those aren't what got mold Craft off the ground. The

1216
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: first lure Frank ever produced was the Squirt Squid, available

1217
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: in four lengths and five colors. These semisoft molded squids

1218
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: would become game changers as teasers in both the recreational

1219
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: and tournament worlds, as well as for commercial captain's green

1220
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: stick fishing for giant bluefin tuna. Matter of fact, you

1221
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: watch Wicked Tuna outer Banks and you'll still see the

1222
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: original squirt squids skipping around behind those boats. Then one

1223
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: faithful day, shall we say, in the midnight teen seventies,

1224
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: Frank was shown a photo of a young lady having

1225
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: a really good time with one of his squirt squids,

1226
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: and she wasn't on a boat. If you catch my drift. Now,

1227
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: Frank could have just laughed this off, but instead, seeing

1228
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: he was a firm believer that sex does in fact sell,

1229
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: he retooled some of the squirt squid molds and began

1230
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: a for a into the adult novelties market, And just

1231
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: as he was in the fishing market, he was a

1232
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: pioneer in this market too. Playing off the popularity of

1233
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: the pet rock, Frank named his creation the pet Well

1234
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: you get it, I don't have to say it. In

1235
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: the Screw magazine awarded it the title of product of

1236
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: the Year. Now. I chatted with Frank's son, Frank Jr.

1237
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: Who runs mold Craft now, and he told me the

1238
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: pet rock with a C received this high honor because

1239
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: most adult toys at the time were made of latex,

1240
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: and if you happen to be a person that had

1241
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: an allergic reaction to latex, those toys weren't very fun.

1242
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: At all. Frank's product, on the other hand, was the

1243
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: first of its kind made of injection molded vinyl, which

1244
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: caused no allergic reactions. Hence they were fun for the

1245
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: whole family. Now. I heard a rumor from several people

1246
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: over the years that the toy side of the business

1247
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: got so huge Frank Johnson started a whole other company,

1248
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: that being Doc Johnson, which is still one of the

1249
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: biggest adult toy manufacturers in the world. I was even

1250
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,879
Speaker 1: told that this very day, one side of the facility

1251
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: is pumping out candies for use in the cockpits of

1252
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: sport fishing boats, while the other side is churning out

1253
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: candies for the bedroom on the love boat. So is

1254
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: Frank Johnson actually Doc Johnson? Answer, He's not. Frank Jr.

1255
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: Debunked this rumor once and for all, though he did add, man,

1256
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: I wish we were Doc Johnson. Frank Jr. Explained that

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01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: while their sex toys made the company money for a

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Speaker 1: long time, they eventually had to kick that side of

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Speaker 1: the biz out of the water bed because as years

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Speaker 1: went on, the novelties market became flooded with cheaper products

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Speaker 1: from China, and while Frank's products may have been better quality,

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Speaker 1: the cost of goods made it impossible to compete for distribution.

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Speaker 1: According to Frank Jr. However, all the molds are still

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Speaker 1: ready to go at the manufacturing facility in Florida. He

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Speaker 1: even said, if I ever need a couple of thousand,

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Speaker 1: he's happy to run me a batch. I'm good on that.

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Speaker 1: But when I got my first boat many years ago,

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Speaker 1: I did buy dozens of mold Crafts junior hookers. They're

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Speaker 1: actually the smallest trolling chugars the company makes. But my

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Speaker 1: little single outboard beater wasn't exactly getting me far enough

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Speaker 1: off shore to pull a squirt squid teaser or wide

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Speaker 1: range or Bobby Brown for Marlin. Those tiny chuggars knocked

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Speaker 1: the fire out of Benita, false albacore and chicken dolphin

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Speaker 1: in my meager inshore range, though, and every once in

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Speaker 1: a while I'd even get a schoolly bluefin to rise

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Speaker 1: to that daisy chain of tiny hookers For a twenty

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Speaker 1: two year old full of piss in vinegar in a

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Speaker 1: third hand eighties six pursuit pretending to be tread Barda

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Speaker 1: that was the most orgasmic feeling in the world. We're

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get some emails about that one, especially from

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Speaker 1: all you people who were piste off that we made

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Speaker 1: fun of penis shaped lures. Well, yeah we are. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not sorry because there's a difference here.

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Speaker 1: Penis lords are and we're stupid and pointless. Okay, erotic toys,

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Speaker 1: they're just a that's a celebration of human sexuality. There

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Speaker 1: you go. If you want to complain about that distinction,

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Speaker 1: you can vent your frustration and an email to Bent

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Speaker 1: at the meat Eator dot com using the subject line girls,

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Speaker 1: screw yourself Joe. Yes, yes, I will gladly read every

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Speaker 1: single one of those. Also, uh, send awkward fishing photos,

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Speaker 1: bar nominations, and sale in items um to that same

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Speaker 1: email account and use those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast

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Speaker 1: hashtags for the chance to get yourself some sticker packs.

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Speaker 1: It is only February, but I am already looking forward

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Speaker 1: to embarrassing myself with some site fishing next spring. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for that. I look forward to those those

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Speaker 1: moments of scumulation. Before we go, I want to leave

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Speaker 1: you with a question, and I'm serious about this. Does

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Speaker 1: dark house spearing count as site fishing? M hm, I'm

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Speaker 1: personally saying no. I'd say it counts a spearing, which

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Speaker 1: naturally requires a good line of sight no matter what

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Speaker 1: you're chucking at. But let's hear from you.