Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, joky, I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I know, said.
Speaker 1: I nandasse. Hey boo, it's me Raz.
Speaker 3: I have a wonderful conversation with my friend, the writer
Speaker 3: and comedian Lizzie Cooperman coming at you in just a moment.
Speaker 3: But I thought it would read a story. I got
Speaker 3: to read more ghost stories on the show. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: As always, you could send them in a five star
Speaker 3: review on Apple Podcasts, or you could email me at
Speaker 3: ghost did by Raz at gmail dot com, which is
Speaker 3: what Jessa did. And Jessa sent me a story about
Speaker 3: a topic that I do not like to talk about
Speaker 3: because you know, part of my life, part of my
Speaker 3: brand is sort of poking fun at haunted dolls, which
Speaker 3: I love. But there's one doll that I will not
Speaker 3: do that too, and that is Robert the Doll.
Speaker 1: Robert the Doll.
Speaker 3: People, there's so many stories of this doll in Key West,
Speaker 3: Florida that people report can put a curse on you
Speaker 3: if you're disrespectful. I'm not dealing with Robert. You're gorgeous,
Speaker 3: You're of Florida, babe. You're lovely. Okay, So here's a
Speaker 3: story that Jessa sent about an example of Robert the
Speaker 3: Doll being Robert the Doll. So Jessa writes, I live
Speaker 3: in the Florida Keys. I have for many years. I've
Speaker 3: got two sons, Zay and Seth. Seth is in a
Speaker 3: local soccer league that played against the other local Keys teams.
Speaker 3: But when I say local, it was one hundred and
Speaker 3: ten miles. One day, our team was going to play
Speaker 3: the team from Big Pine Quay, which is about an
Speaker 3: hour and a half from our home and twenty minutes
Speaker 3: from Key West. We got rained out, couldn't play, so
Speaker 3: the boys and I decided to make a day of
Speaker 3: it and go do the touristy stuff. We had lunch,
Speaker 3: We rode the Conk tour train, we had some key
Speaker 3: Lime pie, and then we walked around a bit. Zane
Speaker 3: saw on advertisement for the Key West Ghost Tours. He
Speaker 3: asked if we could go. Sure, I thought, I love
Speaker 3: ghost stories. We got on the trolley and heard about
Speaker 3: Captain Tony Saloon, the children in the churchyard, and the
Speaker 3: Curry mansion, all the stuff we already knew from being locals.
Speaker 3: The trolley stopped at the East Martello Museum and got
Speaker 3: off the trolley. We went in and saw the blasted
Speaker 3: tomb marker of Elena Hoyos, the woman who died from
Speaker 3: tuberculosis and had her body stolen by a deranged doctor.
Speaker 3: We turned to the right and there he was.
Speaker 1: Robert the Doll.
Speaker 3: We are told to be respectful because Robert doesn't like
Speaker 3: it when you disrespect him.
Speaker 1: Makes sense.
Speaker 3: Your cameras will break, your pictures won't develop, you might
Speaker 3: even have your car breakdown, or your wife will leave
Speaker 3: you if you're not careful. I was very respectful, honestly.
Speaker 3: I mean if I was married to a man that
Speaker 3: was making fun of a doll, I would probably leave
Speaker 3: him too, Okay, so I was very respectful, and I
Speaker 3: told both Zain and Seth to do the same.
Speaker 1: They did. The guide instructed that if we wanted to take.
Speaker 3: A picture, we had to do the following greet Robert,
Speaker 3: ask him if we could take his picture, take the picture,
Speaker 3: and then thank him for being so kind. That's how
Speaker 3: we should always be at a meet and greet. Honestly,
Speaker 3: Robert's got it right. Do not disrespect him or you
Speaker 3: would learn to read it. They pointed out all the
Speaker 3: letters that were tacked up on the walls in the
Speaker 3: room that only Robert occupied. These are letters mailed to
Speaker 3: Robert from people all over the world that had terrible
Speaker 3: things happened to them after they said nasty words, or
Speaker 3: didn't ask permission to take his picture, or other acts
Speaker 3: of ungratefulness. These letters were asking for Robert's forgiveness, asking
Speaker 3: for Robert to remove the curse he placed on them,
Speaker 3: saying that they were sorry for their misdeeds.
Speaker 1: I went up to Robert, greeted.
Speaker 3: Him, introduced us to him, asked to take his picture,
Speaker 3: took one picture, and thanked him for his generosity. Then
Speaker 3: we continued on our way. We got back on the
Speaker 3: trolley and some other young men were joking about not
Speaker 3: believing the stories, one saying that he swore at Robert.
Speaker 3: Almost immediately the trolley broke down. We had to wait
Speaker 3: for another trolley to come and get on that one.
Speaker 3: That one, the tour guide's microphone kept blinking out and
Speaker 3: he had to I practically screamed the rest of the
Speaker 3: tour so that we could hear him. I was freaked out.
Speaker 3: People were saying, Robert did it, Robert broke the bus,
Speaker 3: Robert did it. We get off the trolley, got in
Speaker 3: our car and started to drive home. My boys were tired,
Speaker 3: so they were laying down in the back seat asleep,
Speaker 3: and I had to drive the long ride home with
Speaker 3: the passenger side empty.
Speaker 1: Or was it?
Speaker 3: I kept thinking. I saw a small figure in the seat.
Speaker 3: I turned to look and there was no one there.
Speaker 3: It happened several times. In the corner of my eye,
Speaker 3: I could see Robert sitting in the passenger seat. I
Speaker 3: turned on some music to distract me from the scare.
Speaker 3: We got home, safe and sound. I look at my phone.
Speaker 3: I had a wallpaper picture of Sully Erna on my
Speaker 3: phone screen.
Speaker 1: Who's Sully Erna?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay from the band God's Smack. Okay, all right, So
Speaker 3: Erna was on Jess's phone. I look at my phone
Speaker 3: and the wallpaper was changed to the picture I had
Speaker 3: taken of Robert. I changed it back and I go
Speaker 3: to sleep. I woke up, look at my phone. It
Speaker 3: was changed again to my picture of Robert. I changed
Speaker 3: it back to Sully. I got dressed and went to work.
Speaker 3: I put my phone on my desk, looked at it Robert.
Speaker 1: I deleted the picture from my phone. I thought it
Speaker 1: was done.
Speaker 3: I looked at my phone later that afternoon, Robert's back.
Speaker 3: I changed it back. I sat at my desk shaking,
Speaker 3: and I kind of prayed. I said out loud to myself, Robert,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry those guys were so stupid when we went
Speaker 3: to see you, but I was not with those men.
Speaker 3: Please stop changing my phone screen and terrorizing me. I'll
Speaker 3: never disrespect you. After that, my phone screen never changed,
Speaker 3: and I have never gone back to see Robert the
Speaker 3: Doll again. If you do see him, please be kind.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, all because those stupid guys, Oh Robert
Speaker 3: thought that they were with you.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the worst.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, thank you so much for sharing that. I've
Speaker 3: got nothing more to say about Robert, but thank you
Speaker 3: Robert for giving us this great story. Speaking of I
Speaker 3: have got Lizzie on the show today. Now, Lizzie is
Speaker 3: a tarot reader. We're going to talk a lot about
Speaker 3: that in this show. I don't know how interesting it
Speaker 3: is to hear somebody get a tarot reading on a
Speaker 3: podcast or on video, which this podcast is on video, however,
Speaker 3: and she and I talk about this a little bit.
Speaker 1: People, you know, can be very.
Speaker 3: Particular about all of the stuff that I talk about
Speaker 3: on the show, including tarot, psychics, beliefs, and ghosts, whatever.
Speaker 3: And this is the way that Lizzie does taro and
Speaker 3: I really like it. And the great news is, as
Speaker 3: we'll talk about later, she's doing it now for people.
Speaker 3: So if you want, if you like the way she
Speaker 3: does taro, you could absolutely book her.
Speaker 1: And it's quite affordable for readers.
Speaker 3: And she's also so funny to hang out with, so
Speaker 3: I encourage that, and that's why I've kept this whole
Speaker 3: tarot reading in there so that you can kind of
Speaker 3: see her style and the way that she views things
Speaker 3: and interprets it. So that is in this episode today,
Speaker 3: and there's a bonus clip on Patreon link in the
Speaker 3: description of this episode and a new full length episode
Speaker 3: of me learning about paranormal stuff on there. Also, my
Speaker 3: vibe in this episode is real chill. I don't know
Speaker 3: what was going on with me that day.
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 3: Because she just she just soothes me. And so I'm
Speaker 3: very very relaxed in this episode. But nonetheless I had
Speaker 3: a great time anyway, I say, we just get into it.
Speaker 3: So here it is me with Lizzie Cooperman on with
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: I am joined by a friend of mine who I
Speaker 1: think I tried. I definitely tried to have on this
Speaker 1: podcast a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, But finally she's here, Lizzie Cooperman.
Speaker 2: I can't believe we are joined.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 2: We were joined two days ago. During a one hour,
Speaker 2: fifty minute and eight second phone call.
Speaker 1: We talked about all kinds of things, including tarot.
Speaker 2: We talked about taro at length.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talked a lot about taro.
Speaker 2: And you're helping me like launch my tarot business. I
Speaker 2: mean you already did what I'm saying is you already
Speaker 2: helped me.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm Alex Bornstein and Missus masel Ah.
Speaker 1: I'm like your little.
Speaker 3: I'm like your little manager person. That's like getting you
Speaker 3: go in.
Speaker 2: You're fixing the bugs on the website with a wrench.
Speaker 2: You're down there.
Speaker 1: A little newsboy cap. Yes, that's pretty much what this is.
Speaker 1: So you are the tarot Missus Mason.
Speaker 2: You're my Alex Bourns dear.
Speaker 3: And I'm very proud of you because you've been doing
Speaker 3: tarot for how long have you been doing tarot?
Speaker 1: A long time?
Speaker 2: I have been involved in mysticism for so long so
Speaker 2: my mom actually thought that she was psychic. And yeah,
Speaker 2: she'd be like, give me a piece of jewelry, like
Speaker 2: she would she had my sister's boyfriend give her like
Speaker 2: a uh, I'm like his one of those necklaces.
Speaker 1: Called puka shell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't that. That would have been amazing.
Speaker 1: Was that what you meant?
Speaker 2: No, but she was like, give me your puka shell
Speaker 2: necklace or whatever piece of jewelry it was. I think
Speaker 2: it was a bracelet, and she held it in her
Speaker 2: hand and she recalled some memory from his childhood by
Speaker 2: holding this piece of jewelry. And then she would have
Speaker 2: these wild epiphanies. My mom was WHOA kind of I
Speaker 2: don't like to be like, she was out there whoa.
Speaker 2: She was insane, you know, I don't like to but
Speaker 2: it was right, yes, but my mom was just you know,
Speaker 2: she had a high voice and then she laughed really low,
Speaker 2: and then she would just say wild things like she
Speaker 2: would come back from She had this friend, Elaine, who
Speaker 2: she played racketball with. Elaine. I'm sorry if you're listening
Speaker 2: to this, but my mom did say this. That would
Speaker 2: be so random.
Speaker 1: If she was, it's possible.
Speaker 2: Eleaene is just deeply interested in the paranormal. But my
Speaker 2: mom came back, you know, from seeing her friend Elaine,
Speaker 2: and she goes Elizabeth. Today. I looked at Elaine and
Speaker 2: I saw two people. She was split down the center Elaine.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Mom, Elaine drinks John bajuice, she plays racketball.
Speaker 3: Wait, is she saying that Elaine was gender fluid? Oh,
Speaker 3: Elaine's non binary?
Speaker 2: Wow? Maybe well, I had not considered that interpretation.
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 2: Ross, she might be. That's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Has any of this gone passed down to you?
Speaker 2: Yes? So I My mom was also really into astrology.
Speaker 2: We would all read our horoscopes with her in the morning.
Speaker 2: And I moved to New York, of course first stand
Speaker 2: up and then I ended up mixed up in this
Speaker 2: with the psychics. Now and I was on the Upper
Speaker 2: West Side writing in my journal and this old man,
Speaker 2: his name was Baba Shalom, came teetering down the street.
Speaker 2: So this old man in essentially like a bathrobe. He
Speaker 2: looked like a vulture like hobbling down the street. And
Speaker 2: he comes up to me and he goes you. He
Speaker 2: was like, you're going to be great writer. Someday later
Speaker 2: I realized, oh, I was writing in a journal when
Speaker 2: he came up to me.
Speaker 1: But wow, I mean, okay, but still.
Speaker 2: Weirdly, he sat down and he did a palm reading
Speaker 2: for me that now I haven't really considered this poem
Speaker 2: reading since, but it was pretty accurate.
Speaker 1: What did it say?
Speaker 2: That I would be single in adulthood kind of and
Speaker 2: that I would have like a health issue, which I
Speaker 2: ended up like getting lime, I had, I had a
Speaker 2: brain how much? I just got to say it openly
Speaker 2: on the podcast. But I have had challenges and now
Speaker 2: thinking about it, because at the time I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's a really negative palm reading, but some of it
Speaker 2: came to.
Speaker 3: Be Now do you think was there a reason that
Speaker 3: he was telling you this? Because I'm like, what do
Speaker 3: I do with you telling me I'm going to be
Speaker 3: single in ten years?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Does that make me? Should I not date anyone?
Speaker 2: I think what he was doing, and I have to
Speaker 2: say I don't love palm reading because it's so fixed.
Speaker 2: It's also why I love taro more than astrology. I
Speaker 2: feel like there are certain like palm reading and astrology.
Speaker 2: It's like if this line is like this, this is
Speaker 2: how to interpret it? Or like if you're a leo
Speaker 2: with a leo rising. This is the interpretation, whereas tarot
Speaker 2: is like fluid because it changes moment to moment, and
Speaker 2: I kind of see it as like a little museum
Speaker 2: through which you can interpret your own life. Okay, so,
Speaker 2: but I think the reason Baba told me all of that, well,
Speaker 2: by the way, this man had a cable access show amazing,
Speaker 2: he was wild. I think it was just called Baba Shalom,
Speaker 2: and I never saw it because I didn't.
Speaker 1: Have a TV on the internet.
Speaker 2: Seriously, I've looked him up before. If you can find him,
Speaker 2: I will be My jaw will be on the floor,
Speaker 2: and not just because I have health challenges. He was
Speaker 2: like this line says, your jaw is going to end
Speaker 2: up in the street. He was like an old yeah vulture.
Speaker 2: Like it was like if a vulture was wearing a
Speaker 2: beard for all. Okay, Like his posture and everything was
Speaker 2: just very for like, shoulders the first thing to come
Speaker 2: at you if you were to you know, if you
Speaker 2: were to slow dance with them, you'd immediately feel the
Speaker 2: shoulders carving.
Speaker 1: Indeed, did you ever slow dance with them? Daily? Daily? Okay?
Speaker 3: So if you Okay, so I'm picturing a vulture that
Speaker 3: in some turn of luck, becomes a human.
Speaker 2: Yes, a vulture that becomes a human acquires a robe okay,
Speaker 2: and loves to walk back and forth in front of
Speaker 2: this pastry shop on the Upper West.
Speaker 1: Side, okay, looking for clients.
Speaker 2: Looking for clients. And the thing is, I at the
Speaker 2: time lived in a woman's kind of her storage closet.
Speaker 2: I had a bed that was like on stilt, and
Speaker 2: then I put all my stuff under it, and that
Speaker 2: was the room. It was just you walk in and
Speaker 2: you go to bed.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And so he was like, why don't you become my apprentice,
Speaker 2: because what happened was I met him for coffee. We
Speaker 2: kind of be friends. I have gone through phases in
Speaker 2: my life where I've surrounded myself with eccentrics.
Speaker 1: No Ah, no, me too.
Speaker 3: And there's and I don't know who you're talking about,
Speaker 3: this person that you're talking about, but I've found from
Speaker 3: my life of surrounding myself with eccentrics, sometimes it goes
Speaker 3: further than just like they're just kookie, Like it becomes
Speaker 3: crazy town quest right.
Speaker 2: I've been asked to go in and like check on people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had I've had relationships with many senior citizens.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: That's so wild. Okay. Someone was like, can you go
Speaker 2: in and check if Paul is alive? Just go knock
Speaker 2: on the door. This was all during like a few
Speaker 2: years that I lived in New York. I realized I
Speaker 2: needed more spirituality in my life. So I started going
Speaker 2: to synagogue on Friday nights alone. I would just sit
Speaker 2: in the back row, and then afterward I would go
Speaker 2: to the It's called like an o egg where you
Speaker 2: kind of like you get wasted getting but you like
Speaker 2: can have a glass wine and like a cookie and
Speaker 2: talk to people. Okay, And I think I was just
Speaker 2: so lonely that I I actually don't really know what
Speaker 2: it was. I think I just felt like there was
Speaker 2: something lacking. I'm not close with my family, and so
Speaker 2: I think I was looking for something. And I made
Speaker 2: friends with these three elderly women, and I used to
Speaker 2: hang out with them at like diners and stuff. I
Speaker 2: love that they were great. Yeah, so Baba in a
Speaker 2: way was kind of part of that chapter in my life,
Speaker 2: I think. Okay, so Baba told me that he also
Speaker 2: saw something in my palm. I can't remember what it is.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's somewhere under the middle finger. I'm like,
Speaker 2: As I was giving him the middle finger, he said stop.
Speaker 2: I was like, you fraud, and he goes, wait.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me see that you have a gift.
Speaker 2: Let me look closer, and he said, you have like
Speaker 2: this line on your hand that denotes psychic ability. Why
Speaker 2: don't you come with me to meet my next client.
Speaker 2: So she was meeting him at this it was called
Speaker 2: the Hungarian Pastry Shop on the Upper West Side. She
Speaker 2: came to meet him and she was this kind of
Speaker 2: dowdy I think that's the right word, like just y,
Speaker 2: you know, for someone whose face is stuck in the
Speaker 2: look of concern. You know, they look like they're wet,
Speaker 2: but they're not okay, just you know, cradling her beverage,
Speaker 2: her hot beverage. And she was saying she was a princess.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know of what, like Kingdom.
Speaker 1: She dressed like Sleeping Beauty and Times Square.
Speaker 2: That is amazing. But she looked I mean, she was dressed,
Speaker 2: you know, and very pedestrian clothing. But he was like,
Speaker 2: she is a princess, like Baba told me that before
Speaker 2: she showed up. I think that Baba and I probably
Speaker 2: had similar ancestry. I think that he was probably like
Speaker 2: a Russian check Jew like me. Okay, so uh he
Speaker 2: was like, she's a princess. So anyway, this woman we're talking.
Speaker 2: I look at her palm, and her whole thing is
Speaker 2: her whole issue was I can't leave my mother's side.
Speaker 2: You know, my mom is getting old, she's getting sick.
Speaker 2: I can't leave her side. And I started to realize
Speaker 2: that this woman was creating a story to trap herself,
Speaker 2: and that I said, can I see a picture of
Speaker 2: your mother? She was like sure, she she I don't
Speaker 2: know why I'm giving everyone this ambiguous accent. I don't
Speaker 2: even think she had an accent, Mama did.
Speaker 1: It's great for the story.
Speaker 2: Great for the story. So she takes out this photo
Speaker 2: and the mom is just being like, could not look
Speaker 2: like a healthier like maybe like Jane Fonda in her Heyday.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I said, this is so crazy that I said this.
Speaker 2: I said, your mom is not sick.
Speaker 1: Which is that's bold.
Speaker 2: Bold, dangerous bad. It's bad that I said that, but
Speaker 2: I knew from And she goes, why do you say that?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, what does your mom have? What
Speaker 2: is the diagnosis, and she's like, nothing yet, but she
Speaker 2: is very tired, and she needs me to always go
Speaker 2: to the grocery store. And I said, she's using you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, your mom is using not in a
Speaker 2: bad way, but she loves you and she wants you
Speaker 2: to stay there, and she wants you, you know, to
Speaker 2: live in close proximity all parents do. When I moved
Speaker 2: to New York, my mom said, how could you do
Speaker 2: this to me? You know? She took it as like
Speaker 2: a personal affront, right, And I said, this is gonna
Speaker 2: sound I hope people listening are like, this is the
Speaker 2: But keep in mind, this was like a decade and
Speaker 2: a half ago that I did this, and I've changed.
Speaker 2: I would not say this to someone. Now tell me
Speaker 2: your thoughts thus far? Well, I told her, and I
Speaker 2: think that you're using your mom as well. I think
Speaker 2: you're both using each other to stay stuck. And then
Speaker 2: we met with her a second time and she said,
Speaker 2: you were right. My mom isn't sick.
Speaker 3: Damn yes, So you interpret this as your psychic gifts
Speaker 3: or do you think it was?
Speaker 2: I didn't, but Baba did, okay, And he said, you
Speaker 2: did an amazing job today. I want to take you
Speaker 2: to see more clients, so I became his apprentice.
Speaker 3: Now did you gather from like the way that he
Speaker 3: read you? Initially based on you had a book? He
Speaker 3: said you'd be a writer. And you look at the
Speaker 3: picture and you say, oh, she's faking it because she
Speaker 3: looks healthy, and then he goes, wow, you're still psychic reading.
Speaker 3: Does do you think that he interpreted as psychic abilities
Speaker 3: more so just reading people based on the way that
Speaker 3: they present.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: a lot of times, and I don't think that's wrong.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people don't know what they're giving off.
Speaker 2: This woman, I mean yeah, when I say she seemed
Speaker 2: like she was just the most concerned, like some people
Speaker 2: just can't let Oh you don't want to let go
Speaker 2: of your mother? Did I actually say, by the way,
Speaker 2: your mother's not sick. I don't know that I said
Speaker 2: those words, but I did say I'm not sure you
Speaker 2: know I said something to that effect. I want to
Speaker 2: be clear about that. I was not trying to be like,
Speaker 2: what's that going? A John of God? I go bring
Speaker 2: her hair, I'll rip about her heart and check for myself.
Speaker 2: Do you know, John of God, people travel? I think
Speaker 2: it's to Brazil to see this guy named John of
Speaker 2: God who if you're like, my eye hurts, he will
Speaker 2: literally reach into your face and pull out your eyeball
Speaker 2: and pop it back in.
Speaker 1: Oh my God will.
Speaker 2: Drive his hand through your stomach. And I'm not kidding
Speaker 2: for some people to say yes, but then other people
Speaker 2: were like that is he made it worse. He's a fraud.
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of controversy around John of God.
Speaker 2: And actually look up Wayne Dyer John of God. Do
Speaker 2: you know Wayne Dyer. He's like a spiritual guru who
Speaker 2: passed away a couple of years ago, I believe of
Speaker 2: leukemia and I think he went to see John of
Speaker 2: God and got specific instructions but he ended up like
Speaker 2: passing away.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know anything about this person. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: with Oprah.
Speaker 2: John of God. Oh that's so funny. I bet he
Speaker 2: was on Oprah in Brazil. Yeah, he has some claims
Speaker 2: to have some gift and people say he will reach
Speaker 2: inside with his bare hand.
Speaker 1: It says here that he's claims to have cured millions
Speaker 1: of people, including Oprah Renfrey. What did you cure her?
Speaker 2: Of? John of God is a whole insane I got
Speaker 2: to look into that all the other time. It is wild. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it's not like I was doing anything like that
Speaker 2: or you know. But then I started to go with
Speaker 2: Baba to see his other clients, and I would just
Speaker 2: offer my interpretation I guess, you know.
Speaker 3: But going back to what I was just thinking a
Speaker 3: second ago, I do think it's interesting to be read
Speaker 3: like that, whether it's psychic or not, even just to
Speaker 3: go what kind of vibe do I give off?
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know.
Speaker 3: You remember that show it used to do with Sam
Speaker 3: where we would that was the whole point was just
Speaker 3: looking at a stranger and.
Speaker 2: Yes, didn't I have something crazy happen on that show
Speaker 2: where I guessed everything's.
Speaker 3: I want to say, yes, you're probably yes, you were
Speaker 3: good at it. Where the whole thing is you just
Speaker 3: look at a person and you go, here's what I
Speaker 3: would guess looking at you, and not everyone has the
Speaker 3: luxury of YouTube comments for strangers around the world to
Speaker 3: say exactly what they think of you just by looking
Speaker 3: at you. Okay, wait, tell me more about So how
Speaker 3: did this baba?
Speaker 2: What was it? Baba shalom, which means hello, goodbye and
Speaker 2: peace and Hebrew. Okay, and I think baba might mean father.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know what baba means.
Speaker 1: I literally almost just said Baba, O'Reilly, which is oh
Speaker 1: my god, I think that what is that A whose song?
Speaker 1: Baba shalom, Baba shalom? Okay.
Speaker 2: So I started working with Baba. Well, this is where
Speaker 2: our relationship kind of went downhill is that I was
Speaker 2: also bartending at the time, and I was working at
Speaker 2: a party and this guy was like, I said, I
Speaker 2: need a job. You know. They were like, oh, do
Speaker 2: you do this full time? And I said no, I'm
Speaker 2: looking for a job. And this like millionaire guy was like, well,
Speaker 2: I need a nanny. And he lived in this like
Speaker 2: three story building and Tribeca and he was like, you
Speaker 2: can live with me, rent free, nanny my kids. I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. It was like a dream. I moved into
Speaker 2: and I asked Boba, should I move in with this guy?
Speaker 2: Because I got kind of like a I feel like
Speaker 2: there's there are going to be strings attached, Like it
Speaker 2: started to make me kind of nervous. And Bobo was like,
Speaker 2: this man loves you. He opens your home to you.
Speaker 2: It's you, he told me. I was self sabotaging which
Speaker 2: you know is a thing. That's a thing. My mom
Speaker 2: once told me I was afraid of making money. You know,
Speaker 2: like people tell you these things and then you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe my instinct isn't right. That's when you start questioning.
Speaker 2: Is when people go, yeah, but remember you did this
Speaker 2: that one time. It's like, how did they remember that?
Speaker 2: And then oh, maybe I'm I'm supposed to listen to them,
Speaker 2: and I should be grateful that I took their advice.
Speaker 2: So I move in with this guy. There were no kids,
Speaker 2: there were no children to nanny. They were away, they
Speaker 2: lived with the mother. I met them once when they
Speaker 2: came back to get their things for a summer camp.
Speaker 2: This man was a crack addict who wanted me to
Speaker 2: help get him sober. I eventually found out. And all
Speaker 2: he wanted me to do was when I came back
Speaker 2: from my shows at night, go up to his room
Speaker 2: and watch the Angels in America made for TV movie.
Speaker 2: And one night I smelled something and I go, what
Speaker 2: is that? And I turned around and I go, it's crack.
Speaker 2: He was smoking.
Speaker 1: Crack on Angel America.
Speaker 2: And he was like, isn't Meryl Street fabulous? Is the
Speaker 2: Rabbick I'm just like, what is going on right now?
Speaker 2: So then I go, I'm so sorry I had to
Speaker 2: quit the Well, this is another crazy thing. I wonder
Speaker 2: if the story is actually like out in public. I
Speaker 2: found out that he staged a birth. So one night
Speaker 2: I came home and I couldn't get into my place,
Speaker 2: and I found out that he had. And then the
Speaker 2: next morning I went back to the were police cars everywhere,
Speaker 2: and I go what happened? And they were like, who
Speaker 2: are you. I was like, I'm the nanny and I
Speaker 2: need to get out of here, and they go, there
Speaker 2: was a burglary here last night, And I go, but
Speaker 2: my door was locked, like my key didn't work in
Speaker 2: my door. And then later I found out it was
Speaker 2: like staged for insurance money. And there was a note
Speaker 2: on my door, a crazy note. I was like, I
Speaker 2: can't get it. It was like this crazy note that
Speaker 2: he had written me where he used the word es selectually,
Speaker 2: which I remember looking up and going it's not even
Speaker 2: a word. I think it's not a word.
Speaker 3: Okay, but wait, so this is when you stopped being
Speaker 3: friends with the psychic because he told you.
Speaker 2: So then I went back to Baba and I was like,
Speaker 2: you were wrong. I go that guy ended up being
Speaker 2: a crack and he just kind of looked at me blankly.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, you know, like he had some thing,
Speaker 2: and then he just went on to the next person.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I would go to the coffee shop and just see
Speaker 2: him talking to some other woman, like I had been
Speaker 2: like this disposable psyche cercy.
Speaker 1: My thing was psychics.
Speaker 3: I have so many thoughts about psychics, but it used
Speaker 3: to be for me. I really liked the confidence of
Speaker 3: a psychic being like, here's what's going to happen, here's
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do, because I know because I have
Speaker 3: this gift. And as time goes on, I'm more so like, no,
Speaker 3: I want a psychic that's like I.
Speaker 1: Feel like you should do this.
Speaker 3: I'm getting a sense that this is what's good, or
Speaker 3: you know, kind of being a little bit more open
Speaker 3: to interpretation, but using their gifts as a tool to
Speaker 3: help them to give a reading or a type of
Speaker 3: advice or whatever, as opposed to here's what you need
Speaker 3: to do, because then that way they tend to be
Speaker 3: wrong more.
Speaker 2: Did you ever watch Tyler Henry Hollywood Medium?
Speaker 1: I love Tyler Henry.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed watch what you say about Tyler Henry. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: I used to do Tyler as a character. Tyler Henry
Speaker 2: like the most polite person in the world. Okay, like
Speaker 2: just the most lovely human being outside of being a psychic.
Speaker 2: Totally could just have a show where he goes and
Speaker 2: is polite and I would watch.
Speaker 1: Oh totally. I just like watching him not knowing who
Speaker 1: celebrities are.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my favorite, right right, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because I relate to that because I can't tell you
Speaker 3: how many times I've talked to people and then I'm like, right, So,
Speaker 3: like they'll say something like, oh, was I telling you this?
Speaker 1: I was just telling somebody else.
Speaker 3: They'll be like, oh, I'm going to the Golden Globes
Speaker 3: and I go, oh, really why because I'm nominated what
Speaker 3: for what?
Speaker 1: Best Actress?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You're famous? Oh I thought you just had this opportunity
Speaker 1: to go to the Golden Globes.
Speaker 3: I don't know who you are. I'm so sorry. I apologize.
Speaker 3: I don't know who celebrities are. So, but you want
Speaker 3: to talk about the ghosts, right, yeah, you encountered ghosts?
Speaker 2: Well. I so. In college, I studied abroad. I went
Speaker 2: to the Netherlands, for a semester. Oh right, and I
Speaker 2: lived in this old it was called Casteal. Well if
Speaker 2: you look it up castle, Well, it was kind of
Speaker 2: in this small town in the Netherlands, and it was
Speaker 2: like we would go to this castle with like all
Speaker 2: these creative students and just have the experience of like
Speaker 2: it was kind of amazing. I feel very lucky that
Speaker 2: I got to do this. So they told us in
Speaker 2: the beginning, they were like, it was like a castle
Speaker 2: from the fourteenth century, which I did google right before
Speaker 2: we started recording. Remember, I was like frantically on my phone.
Speaker 2: That's what I did with my last bars. I look
Speaker 2: it up. I find out it's fourteenth century. So when
Speaker 2: we got there, they said, just to let you know,
Speaker 2: someone did die in this castle.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're talking how many years, right, six hundred.
Speaker 2: But I believe she was murdered. I think that's what
Speaker 2: it was, or she died young somehow. I need to
Speaker 2: find the story. Her name was Sophie. If you want
Speaker 2: to research it, and it was called castle well, w
Speaker 2: e l yes, please look it up. Because I found
Speaker 2: all this stuff on Pinterest. I'm like, who's talking about
Speaker 2: this one? This apparition? Whoa do you like the word apparition?
Speaker 1: Love the word apparition. Okay, so Sophie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, castile or castle, Well castile would be with a K.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Emerson College, yeah cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, made my major poetry in performance. I tried to
Speaker 2: get an independent major and they were like absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is.
Speaker 3: This the same pinterest thing inside Sophie's kitchen castle?
Speaker 1: Well today what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's hardly anything about it, but I did find
Speaker 2: one thing that said, yes, she died when she was
Speaker 2: a young when she was I think eleven or twelve.
Speaker 2: And when we got there, they said, so someone died
Speaker 2: in this castle in one of the rooms, or and
Speaker 2: she likes to haunt one of the rooms. We're not
Speaker 2: going to tell you which one. But if something happens,
Speaker 2: it's playful, it's fine. They were fully aware of this
Speaker 2: as a recurring incident at this castle. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: if something happens, this.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a reality show, like everyone has to be
Speaker 3: in a room and you're gonna find out who's the
Speaker 3: mole or like whatever.
Speaker 2: It was like that, yeah, and it was something we
Speaker 2: didn't talk about it all the time. And there was
Speaker 2: like a big kind of like gorgeous, like I don't
Speaker 2: want to say ballroom, but it was like where everyone
Speaker 2: would hang out. And they called it Sophie's, like the
Speaker 2: castle very much like honored her presence and was welcome
Speaker 2: to it and not like you know, it was like
Speaker 2: this is called Sophie's, this room that we had fun in,
Speaker 2: but that wasn't the room that she haunted. They said
Speaker 2: at the end of the trip, we'll tell you which
Speaker 2: room it was. So I got put into a room
Speaker 2: with my friend Jessie.
Speaker 1: Who.
Speaker 2: Still does taro. Is just so in touch with, you know,
Speaker 2: mysticism and the and like nature in a way. She
Speaker 2: was a poet and just there was like a whole
Speaker 2: vibe in room that was just like the energy of it.
Speaker 2: So one night we're lying in bed, the door opens,
Speaker 2: stops and closes, not just oh must have been the
Speaker 2: wind opens and closes, and we're like, oh, my god.
Speaker 2: But we were like open to it then. And I
Speaker 2: think this was another night, two books flew off the
Speaker 2: shelf hit the ground. One night the water turned on
Speaker 2: and off. And then this is probably the most bizarre thing,
Speaker 2: is my and said she felt a heartbeat under her bed.
Speaker 1: Wow, what is that?
Speaker 2: She said, she felt like there was like a heartbeat
Speaker 2: or like somewhere in the bed or something. So we
Speaker 2: were like, it's got to be our room. It has
Speaker 2: to be, you know. It's not like these happened like,
Speaker 2: you know, we were there for a semester. It was
Speaker 2: they happened kind of spaced out. But then at the
Speaker 2: end we asked which room was it, and they said
Speaker 2: it was Room nineteen.
Speaker 1: It was yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the Sophie room and it was also
Speaker 2: the room that was There were rooms downstairs. There were
Speaker 2: there was like a main castle and then there were
Speaker 2: separate rooms. We were in the main castle and it
Speaker 2: was like you go up the stairs and you walk
Speaker 2: all the way down the hall and it's on the right,
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: Was like was always so scary at nighttime.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really weirdly. This castle had a very warm vibe.
Speaker 2: It had like I'm going to describe the carpet color
Speaker 2: as like putting like vanilla pudding color, Okay, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, where it's like it's not like it's
Speaker 2: like a dark almost yellowy eggshell color.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So it had like a friendly vibe, you know, like
Speaker 2: the doors were really old, but it didn't have a
Speaker 2: feeling of like darkness there. It still felt like a
Speaker 2: really positive place. Even though this stuff was happening, It
Speaker 2: wasn't really that scary there, so.
Speaker 1: You weren't freaked out from this.
Speaker 2: I think at the time I was almost in disbelief.
Speaker 2: And I think that I was making up excuses for
Speaker 2: it as well, like that's so crazy? Was there? You know,
Speaker 2: a storm or something, or maybe someone kicked it open
Speaker 2: or I remember kind of trying to justify it, And
Speaker 2: I think it was the books off the shelf that
Speaker 2: were for me. That's turning way.
Speaker 1: That is one of those things where it's like you
Speaker 1: can explain away a door opening. Now, of course it's
Speaker 1: different when it's it's harder to explain it when it's open,
Speaker 1: slam or whatever. But like books flying off the show
Speaker 1: you what is there that you can possibly say about that?
Speaker 2: Right? There was nothing, I mean, and I hadn't even
Speaker 2: really I believed at the time in the dead. I
Speaker 2: once thought that my grandma because I was with my
Speaker 2: grandma at the moment she died alone. Wow. And I
Speaker 2: then had some weird thing happened at night once where
Speaker 2: I felt like my Grandma was coming in through my back,
Speaker 2: my lower.
Speaker 1: Back coming into your body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or somehow into my life force at night. And
Speaker 2: what's weird is the night before my grandma died, I've
Speaker 2: actually had how two crazy psychic things that have happened
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Give it to me.
Speaker 2: Really, Okay, one is a little sensitive. It does involve
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. I'm going to actually let me start
Speaker 2: with the grandma.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: And okay, So my grandma I went out. It was
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve and my grandma was living at my
Speaker 2: house and my mom had not left her side. Like
Speaker 2: as my grandma was dying. She had a lung I
Speaker 2: don't think it was lung cancer. It was like lung
Speaker 2: some disease, long disease. So we created this room for
Speaker 2: her downstairs, and there was a hospice nurse and my
Speaker 2: mom had left for like one hour or something. Everyone
Speaker 2: was like, Diane, you have to take a break or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was supposed to sleep over at my friend's house
Speaker 2: on New Year's Eve and instead I was like, I
Speaker 2: have to go home. And I had this weird thing
Speaker 2: in the morning where I was like, I started dreaming
Speaker 2: of mentos, which is what my grandma kept in her purse,
Speaker 2: and I suddenly shot up in bad and this nurse
Speaker 2: started screaming. I didn't even know there was a nurse
Speaker 2: in my house. And she was like someone someone, We're
Speaker 2: losing her, We're losing her. And I ran downstairs. The
Speaker 2: nurse held her hand. The nurse left the room, and
Speaker 2: I watched my grandma's like energy leave her body as
Speaker 2: I was holding her hand and my grandma was wearing
Speaker 2: a watch, and as we were holding hands, I it
Speaker 2: had like an elastic kind of like silver elastic band.
Speaker 2: I slipped it onto my arm. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: don't know why. I'm like, I stole her watch. Those
Speaker 2: final moments, I'm like, what else.
Speaker 1: Does she have?
Speaker 2: No, it was just like a very you know, normal watch.
Speaker 2: But like so then later, like either that night or
Speaker 2: the next night, I had this thing where I felt
Speaker 2: like she came into my body and for some reason,
Speaker 2: I felt like I was looking through her eyes. WHOA
Speaker 2: the next night, Yeah, does she want her watch back?
Speaker 3: When it comes to you offering terrort services to people,
Speaker 3: do you think that you're psychic when it comes to
Speaker 3: being a tarot reader?
Speaker 2: I do not claim to be psychic. However, I do
Speaker 2: everything I can to connect with the cuarrant, the person
Speaker 2: to whom I'm giving the reading.
Speaker 1: What now, cuarrent?
Speaker 2: It's like the cuarrent.
Speaker 1: Client, Lizzie Google qu tell me.
Speaker 2: Actually, I am curious as the actual definition is that
Speaker 2: w e r e n T quarrant qu e r
Speaker 2: e n t. It's one.
Speaker 1: It's one who consults an astrologer.
Speaker 2: And it's from the word query. I believe I have
Speaker 2: a query.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I apologize. I thought you were just saying
Speaker 1: the word client wrong.
Speaker 2: That would be a wildest region part of it.
Speaker 1: Do you know what do you know Walter Mercatto?
Speaker 2: Is I know that name?
Speaker 1: Okay, never mind, I'll tell you so.
Speaker 2: I don't claim to be psychic. I do like to
Speaker 2: connect with the client as much as I can, and
Speaker 2: I have been told that my readings are very spot on.
Speaker 2: But I've also had it where, you know, one day
Speaker 2: and this is I did the There was like used
Speaker 2: to be a UCB Street festival and they hired me
Speaker 2: to do taro and I was so locked in that day.
Speaker 2: Just everything I was saying was like yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: There was a line around like down the street to
Speaker 2: get a reading. Everyone's like you've got to go see her.
Speaker 2: So sometimes you can get into a flow as you
Speaker 2: can creatively. You can get lost doing anything and be like,
Speaker 2: it's just it. It's the kind of thing where have
Speaker 2: you ever gone to a casino and you actually start winning.
Speaker 1: I have never had that happen, but I imagine I had.
Speaker 2: Once where they had to sound like a cooler, like
Speaker 2: someone to be like to change the energy. They do
Speaker 2: that at a see. Now, if you're doing well and
Speaker 2: they're like, this person's winning a lot in a row,
Speaker 2: they'll send someone over to stand near you to change
Speaker 2: the energy. What and it's called a cooler, but.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of a mystical thing.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't, you know, acknowledge it as such.
Speaker 1: But it kind of is if their whole point is to.
Speaker 2: Change and like they're carrying a cooler.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought you meant at first.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, they gave you a cooler because you
Speaker 3: just couldn't get away from the sub machine.
Speaker 1: They're like, here's a cooler full of food so you
Speaker 1: can keep keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do that to shift the energy. Wow, uh huh.
Speaker 3: I mean I talk a lot about comedians or musicians
Speaker 3: or whatever where just like with psychics, you're not. Sometimes
Speaker 3: you bomb right, but also you can read other people,
Speaker 3: and you can read the vibe in a room, and
Speaker 3: you can get into a rhythm where everything just hits right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Taro's like that, I think. But then I
Speaker 2: had one I remember on that day where they're like yeah,
Speaker 2: but they were also very closed off to it. And
Speaker 2: I think there is something about there being kind of
Speaker 2: like an open am I about to quote program, I'm like,
Speaker 2: open flow, that's even even. There has to be an
Speaker 2: even flow. Okay, I think I mean not necessary, but I.
Speaker 1: Also like the idea of like you'll see what I
Speaker 1: mean when we do it. You might joke now, but
Speaker 1: later you'll see.
Speaker 2: There's nothing better than doing tarot readings on camera, by
Speaker 2: the ways, like natural.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you didn't answer my question. How long have
Speaker 1: you been doing this?
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like I've been actually doing it
Speaker 2: since oh seven, yeah wow, a long time. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: a lot has changed to And we were talking about
Speaker 2: this before the show. People are very judgmental when I
Speaker 2: comes to tarot readers.
Speaker 1: That's how it is with anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what I think that that.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody thinks they have the answers. This is
Speaker 3: your in a way, it's it's an artistic thing, I think,
Speaker 3: the way that someone interprets taro and you know, like
Speaker 3: I was, I got a reading.
Speaker 1: God, I've had so.
Speaker 2: Many, keep talking, I'm gonna play with the deck.
Speaker 3: I had a reading from a friend at that long
Speaker 3: ago that doesn't do upside down or right side.
Speaker 2: Up, doesn't do the reversals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't do it.
Speaker 3: And he was saying, if it wants to tell you
Speaker 3: what it's going to tell you, it's gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: So I kind of love that because sometimes I find
Speaker 2: when I find the reversals hard to retain, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like, well, maybe there's a reason
Speaker 2: they don't stick, you know. I kind of also feel
Speaker 2: like whoever is giving, Like someone actually just showed me
Speaker 2: their tarot cards from another reader, and like, what do
Speaker 2: you think of this? And I almost felt like I
Speaker 2: shouldn't tell you because it was that reading, and that
Speaker 2: was the reading you got, and it was for that moment.
Speaker 2: If you want me to interpret, we need to do
Speaker 2: an entirely new reading, because you know, it's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, it reminds me of a friend who asks
Speaker 2: for advice on the same thing over and over do
Speaker 2: friends like who have the same issues. I have a
Speaker 2: friend who when they have problems, it's like they pick
Speaker 2: the scab. They call the person over and over and
Speaker 2: try to fix it. And it's like I always say,
Speaker 2: just stop hot potato in your feelings. Hold on to
Speaker 2: your feelings. It's okay to just hold it without constantly
Speaker 2: being reactive, which is something I also study Kabala and
Speaker 2: during the quarantine or lockdown, I got up to level five.
Speaker 1: Kabala have how many levels?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Actually, I think maybe they're are ten.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's at through the Kabala Center the
Speaker 2: Madonna one. Ooh okay, ros, I'm so excited. Okay, take
Speaker 2: the cards and I want you to just kind of
Speaker 2: if you have a specific question, you can think about
Speaker 2: it while you're moving the cards around. Otherwise, I just
Speaker 2: want you to get your energy on them and kind
Speaker 2: of just if you have a general question about your life,
Speaker 2: or it can just be that you want guidance and
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell me what it is, but
Speaker 2: you are welcome to talk about it during the reading.
Speaker 1: Okay, my energy is all over it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, so we're doing a spread called
Speaker 2: the Celtic Cross. For those of you listening, there's nothing
Speaker 2: Celtic about me. Is there anything Celtic about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got some Irish from me.
Speaker 2: You do. Oh my gosh, oh my god. This is
Speaker 2: the Ro's Cross. Okay oo ooh, okay, here we go
Speaker 2: ros Wow. Okay, so we begin with the aid of Wands.
Speaker 2: I love this card. Eight of Wands is like okay,
Speaker 2: So wands are of the fire element and it's all
Speaker 2: about like passion and like creativity and travel and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So wands are about like going out, setting
Speaker 2: out on a journey. Right side up the eight of Wands.
Speaker 2: We actually are starting with a reversal. Okay, we don't
Speaker 2: have all reversals. We totally another card. What Okay, So.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're doing you do You're like, is
Speaker 1: this your car?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? I mean looking at Okay, So when
Speaker 2: you look at this card, these are wands darting through
Speaker 2: the sky. Listeners, what are yours called? Again? Your booze?
Speaker 1: Sure booze.
Speaker 2: Imagine eight breadsticks with leaves on them flying through the sky. Yes,
Speaker 2: so this means things are moving forward. If this card
Speaker 2: is right side up. Things are moving forward. It might
Speaker 2: mean like plan to travels. Sometimes soon it is reversed.
Speaker 2: So right now where you're at is you're experiencing some
Speaker 2: delays with things that you want. I'll say phone calls
Speaker 2: aren't you're not getting the call you want.
Speaker 1: I'll say, you're making.
Speaker 2: The plans, they're not taking off right now. Okay, And
Speaker 2: this is what's going on is page of cups is
Speaker 2: your cross. That's your obstacle. So when you see a page,
Speaker 2: it's a youthful energy can be a kind of messenger
Speaker 2: in a way. But page of cops, I would say,
Speaker 2: as an obstacle means you're dealing with a little someone
Speaker 2: who might be immature, unable to kind of community, not
Speaker 2: quite communicate, but offer things in a way that's like
Speaker 2: concrete for you to understand.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody that's not me.
Speaker 2: It could be yeah, it could be me. Okay, well
Speaker 2: I was interpreting it as external influences, but it could
Speaker 2: be you as well. Okay, it could be it could
Speaker 2: be not willing to settle down and look at things
Speaker 2: in a really clear way, is how I would see this.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad card and page of wands. I
Speaker 2: mean page of cups. Excuse me. It can also be
Speaker 2: like an offering of cups are emotional and fluid, so
Speaker 2: it could be you're getting an offer, but it's not
Speaker 2: exactly what you want. I mean, the page is coming
Speaker 2: to you with a cup holding a cup, but there's
Speaker 2: a fish in it. It's lively, it's fun. But is
Speaker 2: that what you want? Ros Do you want a cup
Speaker 2: with a fish?
Speaker 1: I want a salmon? Martine?
Speaker 2: Do you want a salmon? Rartini? So it could be
Speaker 2: that it's a lack of immaturity. It could be it's
Speaker 2: not what you want right now, but there's something holding
Speaker 2: up the deal. Okay, that's not that was my initial interpretation.
Speaker 2: You seem to feel like it is you.
Speaker 3: I always blame myself. I'm always like it's probably something
Speaker 3: I'm doing.
Speaker 2: It could be a lack of emotional maturity, or just
Speaker 2: the situation is immature. It hasn't ripened yet, but there
Speaker 2: needs to be. The overall is there is a delay
Speaker 2: in your life right now, which is the original card,
Speaker 2: and it's because the growth hasn't happened yet on your part.
Speaker 2: Could be in the part of the universe, the events
Speaker 2: surrounding you, they have not reached the point where they're
Speaker 2: ready to take out of the oven right now, but
Speaker 2: we haven't taken a look at the future.
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you first what's influencing in
Speaker 2: your past? Wow, this is really interesting. You've had a
Speaker 2: lot of joy leading up to this, so it might
Speaker 2: be that you're actually just feeling disappointment now with the
Speaker 2: current situation because ton of Cops is like family reunion,
Speaker 2: feeling surrounded by love, and that's in the recent past.
Speaker 2: And it might just be that you know, you have
Speaker 2: tons of support in your life and so you have
Speaker 2: all that behind you. So what's causing the delay right now?
Speaker 2: We're going to find out, Okay, or find out more.
Speaker 2: It could just be at the nature of things that
Speaker 2: just aren't coming to fruition. But ton of Cups is
Speaker 2: just a very feeling of wholeness that you've recently experienced. Okay,
Speaker 2: in the near future, Well, okay, you have more than
Speaker 2: one page that's really interesting, So.
Speaker 1: Is that me?
Speaker 2: Well, page is another youthful energy. So this is like
Speaker 2: the page is ready to set out. It's like you're
Speaker 2: the spirit of adventure is in your near future. You're
Speaker 2: going to want to really move forward with this. It's
Speaker 2: not reversed, it's it's positive, it's standing upright, but it's
Speaker 2: still like a youthful, adventurous energy that is going to
Speaker 2: be ready to set out. So this will happen, it
Speaker 2: will take off for you, and you're getting going to
Speaker 2: get in the near future a lot of like messages
Speaker 2: of inspiration and kind of looking out and considering the potential.
Speaker 2: I would say with Page of Wands, it's the potential
Speaker 2: that's there will be recognized. And I'm youthful, right, yes,
Speaker 2: you are youthful. And you know if this were a
Speaker 2: King of Wands, it would be different. It would be
Speaker 2: you know, kind of in a visionary mode where you're
Speaker 2: just kind of sitting in your throne. But this is
Speaker 2: a more more excitable energy going on. Okay, so these cards,
Speaker 2: ooh wow, I love this. So who these two cards
Speaker 2: we're going to do now are kind of called above
Speaker 2: and below. And the way that I like to describe
Speaker 2: these are there of two different parts of your subconscious.
Speaker 2: One is more your goal and things that's driving you,
Speaker 2: and then the below is kind of the shadow self.
Speaker 2: So these are very cards that are inside the mind
Speaker 2: of Ross Okay, okay, Queen of Wands is like a
Speaker 2: thriving figure. It's like vibrant warm. This is your driving
Speaker 2: you know what is driving you right now is that
Speaker 2: you are so full of like passion and creativity and
Speaker 2: you're you're you're actually the queen tends to also support others,
Speaker 2: so you're you're kind of supporting all that's growing around you.
Speaker 2: You're holding this giant flower, You're sitting with this cat,
Speaker 2: You're like surround. You're in a very abundant place right
Speaker 2: now creatively. Okay, yes, it's it's stuff. It's like a
Speaker 2: mode of thriving and you have a lot of wands
Speaker 2: and this is like this is really good for It's
Speaker 2: the fire of life.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm see My problem with when I get
Speaker 4: readings like this is I'm trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: is what does this exactly mean for me?
Speaker 2: Okay, well let me tell you the shadow side of
Speaker 2: this is when others come into play. So you know
Speaker 2: on your own independently that you are like you're this fire,
Speaker 2: You're this flame. Well, three of pinacles, So pinnacles are material,
Speaker 2: they're very much of the earth, a house, a job,
Speaker 2: these are things that are represented by a tonic, so
Speaker 2: they don't have Okay, well, this is in the shadow
Speaker 2: of this thriving energy. The polarity is there. It's a
Speaker 2: very positive card. Three of pinnacles. It's people congregating to
Speaker 2: discuss moving forward with a project. You're You're standing in
Speaker 2: front of a cathedral with other people. There's a priest.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember what the other figure is. I'm
Speaker 2: like the priest, a rabbi, and a knocked joke. You
Speaker 2: guys are all standing there consulting with how to make
Speaker 2: this happen. So maybe it's that I feel like ros
Speaker 2: you're the one standing on the bench. Okay, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a bold lady.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Maybe this is me standing on the
Speaker 2: bench so I look better on camera. I know that
Speaker 2: would be the opposite. Actually, Okay, So it's when other
Speaker 2: people and the and the teamwork is coming in. Is
Speaker 2: what is also going on in your mind? Do you
Speaker 2: want to check in for a second? Not yet, Okay,
Speaker 2: is anything resonating with you?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think so. I mean I definitely have
Speaker 3: lots of ideas that I want to take off.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, and so I'm this is a very positive
Speaker 2: reading also, and you haven't had any major arcana yet,
Speaker 2: which are like the sun the fool, you know. So
Speaker 2: if I were to look at this right now, I
Speaker 2: would say like, you're on the precipice of good things
Speaker 2: happening thus far in the reading.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: The advice for you, this is one of my favorite cards,
Speaker 2: Six of Swords. I want to ask if you're planning
Speaker 2: to travel or anything like that, because you've had two
Speaker 2: cards now, so it's delayed for some reason. I think
Speaker 2: that you need to get away for a little bit
Speaker 2: based on what I'm seeing in the reading. But I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you the other way that I get
Speaker 2: six of six of Swords. Okay, you are. You have problems.
Speaker 2: Everyone does. They're all in your mind. Swords are very
Speaker 2: much of the mind. Swords are thoughts. Everything, it's like
Speaker 2: from the knack up is swords. Any cards you see
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll be like, oh that looks awful. You know,
Speaker 2: it's someone with ten daggers in their back, and then
Speaker 2: you go, but it's their thoughts. Those are their thoughts.
Speaker 2: So anything with the sword, it's like you can change it.
Speaker 2: It's it's represented by the air. So it's very mutable. Okay,
Speaker 2: like mutable, it's very mutable. It's not the word I
Speaker 2: love that i'd love to be. It is mutable or
Speaker 2: or can be mutated, you know, can change.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: My friend once got this and a really hard part
Speaker 2: of her life, and I said, you need to just
Speaker 2: put your swords in your can and go. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what the problems are, doesn't matter how long it's
Speaker 2: going to take you to get there. Just go.
Speaker 3: Because there is a person with a canoe and a
Speaker 3: bunch of swords, right, Okay, yeah, okay, we're going to
Speaker 3: fill up that canoe and go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the advice position, that's what I would say
Speaker 2: for this card. Okay. Oh my god, you have so
Speaker 2: many pages. Do you work in a preschool or something
Speaker 2: that's going on?
Speaker 1: I'm just very youthful.
Speaker 2: Wow you really are? You have triple pages at this juncture?
Speaker 1: Gen Z?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're gen Z. That's so funny. You
Speaker 2: might be gen Y Actually what is y? Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. No, you're gen Z. Forget I was
Speaker 2: going backward. I was going backward.
Speaker 1: No, I'm a millennial.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, but that might be the page.
Speaker 2: I mean that honestly, So maybe this is my perspective
Speaker 2: of your friends. I'm like yet another am I No,
Speaker 2: Page of Pinnacles is great. It's basically presenting like a
Speaker 2: new financial situation, new opportunity. So there are people out
Speaker 2: there presenting you with new ways to make money.
Speaker 1: Okay, new.
Speaker 2: I mean these are people who are actually surrounding you
Speaker 2: right now. This card is external influences. Or it could
Speaker 2: be that you are looking around and going, how are
Speaker 2: all these people have less experience than me making all
Speaker 2: this money?
Speaker 1: I mean that's a different conversation we can have.
Speaker 2: Seriously, you're like they booked what Yeah? Okay, so page
Speaker 2: of Pinnacles and this is all surrounded by No, this
Speaker 2: is I'm telling you, this is advice. This is external influences.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, then we're going to go hopes and fears. Okay,
Speaker 2: oh wow, Oh you're really wanting a relationship right now?
Speaker 1: Oh what is that gay relationship?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 1: What is that card?
Speaker 2: Call? It's really beautiful two of cups and look at
Speaker 2: the coups.
Speaker 3: I mean that's oh now I see it. Okay, I
Speaker 3: really thought that that was two men like or like.
Speaker 2: Our Maxi dresses in or out, will never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right, I guess that it does.
Speaker 2: Look like two men who knows it can be love,
Speaker 2: It can be just like a divine partnership. But you're
Speaker 2: really looking for that kind of ability to see into
Speaker 2: another right now and have that connection, and that is
Speaker 2: a hope and a fear. So while you are open
Speaker 2: to that, you also need to look at where you're blocked.
Speaker 2: M Okay, what if I just stay there ross, look
Speaker 2: at where you're blocked. Did you have to slide your
Speaker 2: laptop for the finale?
Speaker 1: Yes? What is the finale? The Ace of Cops that
Speaker 1: was like part of it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and finally Ace of Cups, we've landed on it.
Speaker 2: This is like, this is you're ready to totally open
Speaker 2: your heart and it's a new beginning like this is
Speaker 2: coming in your future. You're going to be able to
Speaker 2: give and receive love in like a new way that
Speaker 2: you haven't before, and it could mean a new relationship
Speaker 2: for you. That's really significant.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ace is always the beginning. Ace is the beginning,
Speaker 2: and look at how it kind of comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: That's what I love about the Ace. It looks like Hamburger.
Speaker 2: Help her hand, just like popping out of this sun.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's not.
Speaker 2: Going to be a Sam and Martini. I was supposed
Speaker 2: to hold the cards up. This is Roz's ultimate outcome card,
Speaker 2: Ace of Cups.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. You're so this feels
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 3: Do you have readings that are doom and gloom or
Speaker 3: do you look at the positive or do you always
Speaker 3: offer the positive?
Speaker 2: This is a very positive reading.
Speaker 3: But what if it wasn't? Would you still be able
Speaker 3: to find the positivity?
Speaker 2: I would give advice. And sometimes what you can do
Speaker 2: is you can draw an informing card. So you could go, oh,
Speaker 2: and why is that? And why am I having such
Speaker 2: a beautiful experience? Oh, because I'm look at If that's
Speaker 2: an informing card, because everything fell into place for you,
Speaker 2: then I would say, well, this is the card that
Speaker 2: would inform it. I would draw another one to explain
Speaker 2: why it was happening. So this is you know, if
Speaker 2: we say, okay, this is the informing card for if
Speaker 2: this were more negative, or let me say, and I know,
Speaker 2: people go, death isn't negative or whatever. It is a process.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like shed, It's like The death card
Speaker 2: to me is like a snake shedding its in going
Speaker 2: through a major change, you know, And I like that.
Speaker 2: I like getting that card. Maybe if I enjoy my life,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't and.
Speaker 1: I get the Tower. The tower is the scary card.
Speaker 3: I do daily polls, and I get the Tower the
Speaker 3: most of any card.
Speaker 2: You're embracing change. That's one way of looking at it.
Speaker 2: Because Tower reversed is like you're afraid, you know, you're
Speaker 2: just totally stalled out. You need the tower. Sometimes the
Speaker 2: tower people jumping out of a building.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy. Weirdly, the people are like half
Speaker 2: the size of the tower. Sometimes I'm like, the people
Speaker 2: should be small. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's crazy. So
Speaker 2: this is a really great reading, Roz. I'm gonna I
Speaker 2: want to look more, because.
Speaker 3: The exciting thing about you having been doing this since
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven is that now you're offering readings
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 1: From around the world. People can just do this with
Speaker 1: you over zoom.
Speaker 2: Anyone can do it. Go to my website Lizzycooperman dot
Speaker 2: com l Izzy CEO. Oh, it's gonna be in the
Speaker 2: title of the totally Lizzycooperman dot com and then you
Speaker 2: can choose between a fifteen minute and a thirty minute
Speaker 2: reading and I'm gonna be doing those over zoom. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: This is so exciting because this is also like I
Speaker 3: love the way you do this, I love the way
Speaker 3: you interpret this.
Speaker 1: It feels good.
Speaker 2: Okay good.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that people get an appointment with you
Speaker 1: because you're only doing it. You know, is this sort
Speaker 1: of a trial run?
Speaker 2: Would you say that I'm trying it on zoom? Well,
Speaker 2: I just posted it. Was it yesterday or two days ago?
Speaker 2: Because we were talking? Yeah, and I already have.
Speaker 1: You have some people moments? Yeah, Oh my god. So
Speaker 1: people need to get in.
Speaker 2: Yes, get it. I'm like really excited to read new
Speaker 2: people too, because I've done my same friends over and
Speaker 2: over or I'll go on a show and you know,
Speaker 2: but it's like I want to be able to have
Speaker 2: the time and you know, I'm I'm just really looking
Speaker 2: forward to that and to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited that you're sharing this gift with
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: So excited. Thank you, Roz.
Speaker 1: Can we do one other thing?
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to do you want to hear
Speaker 2: some ghost voices. I want to one hundred percent. Do
Speaker 2: I get to do one too?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play two ghosts. Okay, okay, it's time for.
Speaker 2: Ev P.
Speaker 1: Or ev pase.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: So electronic voice phenomenon or EVPs. It's when a person
Speaker 3: believes they've captured a ghost speaking audio wise, and so
Speaker 3: people post these on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I spent hour like this is your grandmother, like from
Speaker 2: the Give Me My Watch back I watch.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Play you two of them, and I want you to
Speaker 3: guess what. Well, tell me what you hear, and then
Speaker 3: we're gonna guess from some options of what they believe saying.
Speaker 3: So both of these were posted by Mystical Times blog
Speaker 3: Michelle Eve, and they're at the Minneapolis Art.
Speaker 1: Institute, my hometown. Have you been to the Art Institute?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, this first one is in the McFarlane Memorial Room,
Speaker 3: which is on the third floor.
Speaker 1: And I want you to tell me what you hear
Speaker 1: this ghost saying. So there's a lot of crumbling going on.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that is ghosts digging through its perse
Speaker 2: but you can.
Speaker 1: Hear them saying something. It's like a whisper.
Speaker 2: Call me by my name, got me by my name.
Speaker 1: They're definitely seems to be a.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, here's some options because they did not think
Speaker 3: it was call me by your name.
Speaker 1: But there's some of their clothes. Is it A I'm
Speaker 1: combing my hair? Is it B come with me, Hey Mary?
Speaker 1: Is it C call to me and I'm there? Or
Speaker 1: D you called my niece a bad word? Okay?
Speaker 2: I love that it goes with just interject regardless. That's
Speaker 2: that's what they would speak up about.
Speaker 1: You called my niece. Don't a bad word?
Speaker 2: Right, don't call my niece?
Speaker 1: Okay? Which one is it?
Speaker 2: I think I was right? I I'm so sorry call
Speaker 2: me by my name? Well call it really did sound
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: They believe it's come with me, Hey Mary.
Speaker 2: One more time. Let's get one more world.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, come with me, Hey Mary.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, now we need to find out if there was
Speaker 2: a Mary in the mcfar Mary McFarlane.
Speaker 1: There could be.
Speaker 3: Okay, this one third floor of the same building, and
Speaker 3: it's a room where it's all French artifacts.
Speaker 1: It's a quicker one one more.
Speaker 2: I know what I heard. Cheese chucky jays.
Speaker 1: You know what they don't think that's what it says.
Speaker 2: So this is what the people think it says.
Speaker 1: Okay, correct? Is it a jump in bet chop in
Speaker 1: see geppetto oh D give me my watch back.
Speaker 2: I have to say, we've got to call these people
Speaker 2: and tell them this ghost wants ski ball.
Speaker 1: This ghost with a pizza, It wants.
Speaker 2: Pizza, It wants an animatronic band.
Speaker 1: Yes, they believe it is jump in.
Speaker 2: No, there's three syllables, jump in.
Speaker 1: I totally hear it.
Speaker 2: Jump in cheese. They're then they're telling Chucky's get in
Speaker 2: the fucking ball, card in the ball pen, jump in
Speaker 2: the ball pin, jump in the ball? Is it okay
Speaker 2: that I swore just forre Is it okay? Have you
Speaker 2: ever sworn on the show before?
Speaker 1: I don't talk. I don't need.
Speaker 2: SOMEONEE said to me, you know when someone describes you,
Speaker 2: do you in a cavalier way? And I said, you know,
Speaker 2: she's this, this and this. They go, I said, she's
Speaker 2: this blonde kind of blah blah blah blah, swears like
Speaker 2: a sailor. And I go, I swear I was all
Speaker 2: And she goes, oh, I'm so sorry. It made me
Speaker 2: think she thought I was like, get your fucking ass
Speaker 2: over here, maybe a fucking martining.
Speaker 1: I do consider bleeping.
Speaker 2: Okay, bleep it.
Speaker 1: No, no, we're not, but I do think that bleeping
Speaker 1: is always funnier.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna do some fucking bullshit, motherfucker. Tell people
Speaker 3: where they can how they can book you one more time.
Speaker 2: Yes, please go to my website Lizzie Cooperman dot com.
Speaker 2: I have a new tab on there for tarot readings.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend please do it.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to do it. And yeah, and it's affordable.
Speaker 2: It is. It's fifteen minutes for only thirty dollars or
Speaker 2: a half hour, which I would do as super in
Speaker 2: depth reading for fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: That's that's not bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, Or you can get it as a gift for someone,
Speaker 2: and I have, yeah, a thing where it's like, specify
Speaker 2: if this is for somebody else, work that out.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh that's great.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm gonna be giving people for their birthdays
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you.
Speaker 3: And also, oh my god, your podcast too, which you
Speaker 3: record in this very room.
Speaker 2: I record in this very room. You have to listen
Speaker 2: to Roz's episode.
Speaker 3: Because we also got Oscar Montoya on which he has
Speaker 3: one of the best ghost stories that's ever.
Speaker 1: Been on this podcast.
Speaker 2: No way, Yes, okay, I need to go back catching
Speaker 2: up this.
Speaker 1: It's a long time ago, but it's so good.
Speaker 2: But your episode, people were messaging me. I was cackling.
Speaker 2: People were done, and there was some talk about bears
Speaker 2: on the episode. Yes, I thought, I'm not because I
Speaker 2: get two experts for every episode on it's basically choose
Speaker 2: your own adventure both my life, so I find experts
Speaker 2: on the topics that we're going to be discussing. I
Speaker 2: thought I would not find a bear expert, and I
Speaker 2: reached out to all these people random websites, like I
Speaker 2: need to talk to someone about bears within the next
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. Just now I'm getting all these responses from.
Speaker 5: People like Hi, I live in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 5: and I'd like to talk to you about bear behavior.
Speaker 5: So now I'm having to respond to all these people
Speaker 5: and be like, sorry, Honny, we already booked it. Well,
Speaker 5: I love that you miss the opportunity.
Speaker 1: You're building a network just in case.
Speaker 2: So many interesting people.
Speaker 3: That's what I always say with me, like this podcast
Speaker 3: led me to meeting demonologists.
Speaker 2: And you now won't get out of my life.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's all been great.
Speaker 2: Like I now have an incubus who sleeps at the
Speaker 2: foot of my bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in case I ever need them, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 2: So listen to my podcast, Lizzie Cooperman's In Your Hands,
Speaker 2: ros and Oscar's episod so it is exceptional. Thank you,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, find me for a tarot reading. I'm
Speaker 2: so excited about that.
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