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Speaker 3: I have a wonderful conversation with my friend, the writer

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Speaker 3: But I thought it would read a story. I got

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Speaker 3: ghost did by Raz at gmail dot com, which is

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Speaker 3: what Jessa did. And Jessa sent me a story about

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Speaker 3: People, there's so many stories of this doll in Key West,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Mom, Elaine drinks John bajuice, she plays racketball.

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Speaker 2: Wow? Maybe well, I had not considered that interpretation.

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Speaker 2: Do you know, John of God, people travel? I think

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Speaker 2: for some people to say yes, but then other people

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Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of controversy around John of God.

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Speaker 2: And actually look up Wayne Dyer John of God. Do

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Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know anything about this person. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: Of? John of God is a whole insane I got

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00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: to look into that all the other time. It is wild. Yeah,

439
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: So it's not like I was doing anything like that

440
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: or you know. But then I started to go with

441
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: Baba to see his other clients, and I would just

442
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: offer my interpretation I guess, you know.

443
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: But going back to what I was just thinking a

444
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 3: second ago, I do think it's interesting to be read

445
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: like that, whether it's psychic or not, even just to

446
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: go what kind of vibe do I give off?

447
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know.

448
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: You remember that show it used to do with Sam

449
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: where we would that was the whole point was just

450
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: looking at a stranger and.

451
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: Yes, didn't I have something crazy happen on that show

452
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: where I guessed everything's.

453
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: I want to say, yes, you're probably yes, you were

454
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: good at it. Where the whole thing is you just

455
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: look at a person and you go, here's what I

456
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: would guess looking at you, and not everyone has the

457
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: luxury of YouTube comments for strangers around the world to

458
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: say exactly what they think of you just by looking

459
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: at you. Okay, wait, tell me more about So how

460
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 3: did this baba?

461
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: What was it? Baba shalom, which means hello, goodbye and

462
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: peace and Hebrew. Okay, and I think baba might mean father.

463
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: I actually don't know what baba means.

464
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: I literally almost just said Baba, O'Reilly, which is oh

465
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: my god, I think that what is that A whose song?

466
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: Baba shalom, Baba shalom? Okay.

467
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: So I started working with Baba. Well, this is where

468
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: our relationship kind of went downhill is that I was

469
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: also bartending at the time, and I was working at

470
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: a party and this guy was like, I said, I

471
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: need a job. You know. They were like, oh, do

472
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: you do this full time? And I said no, I'm

473
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: looking for a job. And this like millionaire guy was like, well,

474
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: I need a nanny. And he lived in this like

475
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: three story building and Tribeca and he was like, you

476
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: can live with me, rent free, nanny my kids. I

477
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. It was like a dream. I moved into

478
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: and I asked Boba, should I move in with this guy?

479
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: Because I got kind of like a I feel like

480
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: there's there are going to be strings attached, Like it

481
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: started to make me kind of nervous. And Bobo was like,

482
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: this man loves you. He opens your home to you.

483
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: It's you, he told me. I was self sabotaging which

484
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: you know is a thing. That's a thing. My mom

485
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: once told me I was afraid of making money. You know,

486
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: like people tell you these things and then you go, oh, yeah,

487
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: maybe maybe my instinct isn't right. That's when you start questioning.

488
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: Is when people go, yeah, but remember you did this

489
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: that one time. It's like, how did they remember that?

490
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: And then oh, maybe I'm I'm supposed to listen to them,

491
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: and I should be grateful that I took their advice.

492
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: So I move in with this guy. There were no kids,

493
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: there were no children to nanny. They were away, they

494
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: lived with the mother. I met them once when they

495
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: came back to get their things for a summer camp.

496
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: This man was a crack addict who wanted me to

497
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: help get him sober. I eventually found out. And all

498
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: he wanted me to do was when I came back

499
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: from my shows at night, go up to his room

500
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: and watch the Angels in America made for TV movie.

501
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: And one night I smelled something and I go, what

502
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: is that? And I turned around and I go, it's crack.

503
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: He was smoking.

504
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: Crack on Angel America.

505
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: And he was like, isn't Meryl Street fabulous? Is the

506
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: Rabbick I'm just like, what is going on right now?

507
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: So then I go, I'm so sorry I had to

508
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: quit the Well, this is another crazy thing. I wonder

509
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: if the story is actually like out in public. I

510
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: found out that he staged a birth. So one night

511
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: I came home and I couldn't get into my place,

512
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: and I found out that he had. And then the

513
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: next morning I went back to the were police cars everywhere,

514
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: and I go what happened? And they were like, who

515
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: are you. I was like, I'm the nanny and I

516
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: need to get out of here, and they go, there

517
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: was a burglary here last night, And I go, but

518
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: my door was locked, like my key didn't work in

519
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: my door. And then later I found out it was

520
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: like staged for insurance money. And there was a note

521
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: on my door, a crazy note. I was like, I

522
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: can't get it. It was like this crazy note that

523
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: he had written me where he used the word es selectually,

524
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: which I remember looking up and going it's not even

525
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: a word. I think it's not a word.

526
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: Okay, but wait, so this is when you stopped being

527
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: friends with the psychic because he told you.

528
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: So then I went back to Baba and I was like,

529
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: you were wrong. I go that guy ended up being

530
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: a crack and he just kind of looked at me blankly.

531
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: He's like, well, you know, like he had some thing,

532
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: and then he just went on to the next person.

533
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: You know.

534
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: I would go to the coffee shop and just see

535
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: him talking to some other woman, like I had been

536
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: like this disposable psyche cercy.

537
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: My thing was psychics.

538
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: I have so many thoughts about psychics, but it used

539
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: to be for me. I really liked the confidence of

540
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: a psychic being like, here's what's going to happen, here's

541
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do, because I know because I have

542
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: this gift. And as time goes on, I'm more so like, no,

543
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: I want a psychic that's like I.

544
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: Feel like you should do this.

545
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: I'm getting a sense that this is what's good, or

546
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: you know, kind of being a little bit more open

547
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: to interpretation, but using their gifts as a tool to

548
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: help them to give a reading or a type of

549
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: advice or whatever, as opposed to here's what you need

550
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: to do, because then that way they tend to be

551
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: wrong more.

552
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Did you ever watch Tyler Henry Hollywood Medium?

553
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: I love Tyler Henry.

554
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed watch what you say about Tyler Henry. I'm obsessed.

555
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: I used to do Tyler as a character. Tyler Henry

556
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: like the most polite person in the world. Okay, like

557
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: just the most lovely human being outside of being a psychic.

558
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: Totally could just have a show where he goes and

559
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: is polite and I would watch.

560
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: Oh totally. I just like watching him not knowing who

561
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: celebrities are.

562
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my favorite, right right, right, yeah.

563
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: Because I relate to that because I can't tell you

564
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 3: how many times I've talked to people and then I'm like, right, So,

565
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: like they'll say something like, oh, was I telling you this?

566
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: I was just telling somebody else.

567
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: They'll be like, oh, I'm going to the Golden Globes

568
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: and I go, oh, really why because I'm nominated what

569
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: for what?

570
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Best Actress?

571
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh?

572
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: You're famous? Oh I thought you just had this opportunity

573
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: to go to the Golden Globes.

574
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't know who you are. I'm so sorry. I apologize.

575
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: I don't know who celebrities are. So, but you want

576
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: to talk about the ghosts, right, yeah, you encountered ghosts?

577
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: Well. I so. In college, I studied abroad. I went

578
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: to the Netherlands, for a semester. Oh right, and I

579
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 2: lived in this old it was called Casteal. Well if

580
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: you look it up castle, Well, it was kind of

581
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: in this small town in the Netherlands, and it was

582
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: like we would go to this castle with like all

583
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: these creative students and just have the experience of like

584
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: it was kind of amazing. I feel very lucky that

585
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: I got to do this. So they told us in

586
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: the beginning, they were like, it was like a castle

587
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: from the fourteenth century, which I did google right before

588
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: we started recording. Remember, I was like frantically on my phone.

589
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: That's what I did with my last bars. I look

590
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: it up. I find out it's fourteenth century. So when

591
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: we got there, they said, just to let you know,

592
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: someone did die in this castle.

593
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're talking how many years, right, six hundred.

594
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: But I believe she was murdered. I think that's what

595
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: it was, or she died young somehow. I need to

596
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: find the story. Her name was Sophie. If you want

597
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: to research it, and it was called castle well, w

598
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: e l yes, please look it up. Because I found

599
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: all this stuff on Pinterest. I'm like, who's talking about

600
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: this one? This apparition? Whoa do you like the word apparition?

601
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: Love the word apparition. Okay, so Sophie.

602
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, castile or castle, Well castile would be with a K.

603
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Emerson College, yeah cool.

604
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, made my major poetry in performance. I tried to

605
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: get an independent major and they were like absolutely not.

606
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: Wait, what is.

607
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: This the same pinterest thing inside Sophie's kitchen castle?

608
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Well today what?

609
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's hardly anything about it, but I did find

610
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: one thing that said, yes, she died when she was

611
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: a young when she was I think eleven or twelve.

612
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: And when we got there, they said, so someone died

613
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: in this castle in one of the rooms, or and

614
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: she likes to haunt one of the rooms. We're not

615
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: going to tell you which one. But if something happens,

616
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: it's playful, it's fine. They were fully aware of this

617
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: as a recurring incident at this castle. Oh my god,

618
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: if something happens, this.

619
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: Sounds like a reality show, like everyone has to be

620
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: in a room and you're gonna find out who's the

621
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: mole or like whatever.

622
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: It was like that, yeah, and it was something we

623
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: didn't talk about it all the time. And there was

624
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: like a big kind of like gorgeous, like I don't

625
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: want to say ballroom, but it was like where everyone

626
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: would hang out. And they called it Sophie's, like the

627
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: castle very much like honored her presence and was welcome

628
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: to it and not like you know, it was like

629
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: this is called Sophie's, this room that we had fun in,

630
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: but that wasn't the room that she haunted. They said

631
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the trip, we'll tell you which

632
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: room it was. So I got put into a room

633
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: with my friend Jessie.

634
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Who.

635
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Still does taro. Is just so in touch with, you know,

636
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: mysticism and the and like nature in a way. She

637
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: was a poet and just there was like a whole

638
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: vibe in room that was just like the energy of it.

639
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: So one night we're lying in bed, the door opens,

640
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: stops and closes, not just oh must have been the

641
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: wind opens and closes, and we're like, oh, my god.

642
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: But we were like open to it then. And I

643
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: think this was another night, two books flew off the

644
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: shelf hit the ground. One night the water turned on

645
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: and off. And then this is probably the most bizarre thing,

646
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: is my and said she felt a heartbeat under her bed.

647
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: Wow, what is that?

648
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: She said, she felt like there was like a heartbeat

649
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: or like somewhere in the bed or something. So we

650
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: were like, it's got to be our room. It has

651
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: to be, you know. It's not like these happened like,

652
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: you know, we were there for a semester. It was

653
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: they happened kind of spaced out. But then at the

654
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: end we asked which room was it, and they said

655
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: it was Room nineteen.

656
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: It was yours.

657
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the Sophie room and it was also

658
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: the room that was There were rooms downstairs. There were

659
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: there was like a main castle and then there were

660
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: separate rooms. We were in the main castle and it

661
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: was like you go up the stairs and you walk

662
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: all the way down the hall and it's on the right,

663
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: and that.

664
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Was like was always so scary at nighttime.

665
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't really weirdly. This castle had a very warm vibe.

666
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: It had like I'm going to describe the carpet color

667
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: as like putting like vanilla pudding color, Okay, you know

668
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: what I mean, where it's like it's not like it's

669
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: like a dark almost yellowy eggshell color.

670
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

671
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: So it had like a friendly vibe, you know, like

672
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: the doors were really old, but it didn't have a

673
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: feeling of like darkness there. It still felt like a

674
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: really positive place. Even though this stuff was happening, It

675
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: wasn't really that scary there, so.

676
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: You weren't freaked out from this.

677
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: I think at the time I was almost in disbelief.

678
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: And I think that I was making up excuses for

679
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: it as well, like that's so crazy? Was there? You know,

680
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: a storm or something, or maybe someone kicked it open

681
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: or I remember kind of trying to justify it, And

682
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: I think it was the books off the shelf that

683
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: were for me. That's turning way.

684
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: That is one of those things where it's like you

685
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: can explain away a door opening. Now, of course it's

686
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: different when it's it's harder to explain it when it's open,

687
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: slam or whatever. But like books flying off the show

688
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: you what is there that you can possibly say about that?

689
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: Right? There was nothing, I mean, and I hadn't even

690
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: really I believed at the time in the dead. I

691
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: once thought that my grandma because I was with my

692
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: grandma at the moment she died alone. Wow. And I

693
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: then had some weird thing happened at night once where

694
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: I felt like my Grandma was coming in through my back,

695
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: my lower.

696
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Back coming into your body.

697
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, or somehow into my life force at night. And

698
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: what's weird is the night before my grandma died, I've

699
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: actually had how two crazy psychic things that have happened

700
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: to me.

701
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Give it to me.

702
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: Really, Okay, one is a little sensitive. It does involve

703
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. I'm going to actually let me start

704
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: with the grandma.

705
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.

706
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: And okay, So my grandma I went out. It was

707
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve and my grandma was living at my

708
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: house and my mom had not left her side. Like

709
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: as my grandma was dying. She had a lung I

710
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: don't think it was lung cancer. It was like lung

711
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: some disease, long disease. So we created this room for

712
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: her downstairs, and there was a hospice nurse and my

713
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: mom had left for like one hour or something. Everyone

714
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: was like, Diane, you have to take a break or whatever.

715
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: I was supposed to sleep over at my friend's house

716
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: on New Year's Eve and instead I was like, I

717
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: have to go home. And I had this weird thing

718
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: in the morning where I was like, I started dreaming

719
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: of mentos, which is what my grandma kept in her purse,

720
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 2: and I suddenly shot up in bad and this nurse

721
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: started screaming. I didn't even know there was a nurse

722
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: in my house. And she was like someone someone, We're

723
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: losing her, We're losing her. And I ran downstairs. The

724
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: nurse held her hand. The nurse left the room, and

725
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: I watched my grandma's like energy leave her body as

726
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: I was holding her hand and my grandma was wearing

727
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: a watch, and as we were holding hands, I it

728
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: had like an elastic kind of like silver elastic band.

729
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: I slipped it onto my arm. Oh my god, I

730
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: don't know why. I'm like, I stole her watch. Those

731
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: final moments, I'm like, what else.

732
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Does she have?

733
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: No, it was just like a very you know, normal watch.

734
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: But like so then later, like either that night or

735
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: the next night, I had this thing where I felt

736
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: like she came into my body and for some reason,

737
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: I felt like I was looking through her eyes. WHOA

738
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: the next night, Yeah, does she want her watch back?

739
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: When it comes to you offering terrort services to people,

740
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: do you think that you're psychic when it comes to

741
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: being a tarot reader?

742
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: I do not claim to be psychic. However, I do

743
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: everything I can to connect with the cuarrant, the person

744
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: to whom I'm giving the reading.

745
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: What now, cuarrent?

746
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: It's like the cuarrent.

747
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: Client, Lizzie Google qu tell me.

748
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: Actually, I am curious as the actual definition is that

749
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: w e r e n T quarrant qu e r

750
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: e n t. It's one.

751
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: It's one who consults an astrologer.

752
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: And it's from the word query. I believe I have

753
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: a query.

754
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: Oh well, I apologize. I thought you were just saying

755
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: the word client wrong.

756
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: That would be a wildest region part of it.

757
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: Do you know what do you know Walter Mercatto?

758
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Is I know that name?

759
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, never mind, I'll tell you so.

760
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: I don't claim to be psychic. I do like to

761
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: connect with the client as much as I can, and

762
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: I have been told that my readings are very spot on.

763
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: But I've also had it where, you know, one day

764
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: and this is I did the There was like used

765
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: to be a UCB Street festival and they hired me

766
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: to do taro and I was so locked in that day.

767
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: Just everything I was saying was like yes, yes, yes, yes.

768
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: There was a line around like down the street to

769
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: get a reading. Everyone's like you've got to go see her.

770
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: So sometimes you can get into a flow as you

771
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: can creatively. You can get lost doing anything and be like,

772
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: it's just it. It's the kind of thing where have

773
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: you ever gone to a casino and you actually start winning.

774
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: I have never had that happen, but I imagine I had.

775
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: Once where they had to sound like a cooler, like

776
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: someone to be like to change the energy. They do

777
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: that at a see. Now, if you're doing well and

778
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: they're like, this person's winning a lot in a row,

779
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: they'll send someone over to stand near you to change

780
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: the energy. What and it's called a cooler, but.

781
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: It's like kind of a mystical thing.

782
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: They don't they don't, you know, acknowledge it as such.

783
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: But it kind of is if their whole point is to.

784
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: Change and like they're carrying a cooler.

785
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: That's what I thought you meant at first.

786
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, they gave you a cooler because you

787
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: just couldn't get away from the sub machine.

788
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: They're like, here's a cooler full of food so you

789
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: can keep keep going.

790
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do that to shift the energy. Wow, uh huh.

791
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean I talk a lot about comedians or musicians

792
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: or whatever where just like with psychics, you're not. Sometimes

793
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: you bomb right, but also you can read other people,

794
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: and you can read the vibe in a room, and

795
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: you can get into a rhythm where everything just hits right.

796
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Taro's like that, I think. But then I

797
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: had one I remember on that day where they're like yeah,

798
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: but they were also very closed off to it. And

799
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: I think there is something about there being kind of

800
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: like an open am I about to quote program, I'm like,

801
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: open flow, that's even even. There has to be an

802
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: even flow. Okay, I think I mean not necessary, but I.

803
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: Also like the idea of like you'll see what I

804
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: mean when we do it. You might joke now, but

805
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: later you'll see.

806
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: There's nothing better than doing tarot readings on camera, by

807
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: the ways, like natural.

808
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so you didn't answer my question. How long have

809
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: you been doing this?

810
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like I've been actually doing it

811
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: since oh seven, yeah wow, a long time. Yeah, but

812
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: a lot has changed to And we were talking about

813
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: this before the show. People are very judgmental when I

814
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 2: comes to tarot readers.

815
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: That's how it is with anything.

816
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what I think that that.

817
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: You know, everybody thinks they have the answers. This is

818
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: your in a way, it's it's an artistic thing, I think,

819
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: the way that someone interprets taro and you know, like

820
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: I was, I got a reading.

821
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: God, I've had so.

822
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: Many, keep talking, I'm gonna play with the deck.

823
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: I had a reading from a friend at that long

824
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: ago that doesn't do upside down or right side.

825
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: Up, doesn't do the reversals.

826
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't do it.

827
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 3: And he was saying, if it wants to tell you

828
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: what it's going to tell you, it's gonna tell you.

829
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: So I kind of love that because sometimes I find

830
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: when I find the reversals hard to retain, I'm like, yeah,

831
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like, well, maybe there's a reason

832
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: they don't stick, you know. I kind of also feel

833
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: like whoever is giving, Like someone actually just showed me

834
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: their tarot cards from another reader, and like, what do

835
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: you think of this? And I almost felt like I

836
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: shouldn't tell you because it was that reading, and that

837
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: was the reading you got, and it was for that moment.

838
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: If you want me to interpret, we need to do

839
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: an entirely new reading, because you know, it's like, you

840
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: know what, it reminds me of a friend who asks

841
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: for advice on the same thing over and over do

842
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: friends like who have the same issues. I have a

843
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: friend who when they have problems, it's like they pick

844
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: the scab. They call the person over and over and

845
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: try to fix it. And it's like I always say,

846
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: just stop hot potato in your feelings. Hold on to

847
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: your feelings. It's okay to just hold it without constantly

848
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: being reactive, which is something I also study Kabala and

849
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: during the quarantine or lockdown, I got up to level five.

850
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: Kabala have how many levels?

851
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Actually, I think maybe they're are ten.

852
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's at through the Kabala Center the

853
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: Madonna one. Ooh okay, ros, I'm so excited. Okay, take

854
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: the cards and I want you to just kind of

855
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: if you have a specific question, you can think about

856
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: it while you're moving the cards around. Otherwise, I just

857
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: want you to get your energy on them and kind

858
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: of just if you have a general question about your life,

859
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: or it can just be that you want guidance and

860
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell me what it is, but

861
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: you are welcome to talk about it during the reading.

862
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: Okay, my energy is all over it.

863
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, so we're doing a spread called

864
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: the Celtic Cross. For those of you listening, there's nothing

865
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: Celtic about me. Is there anything Celtic about you?

866
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

867
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: I got some Irish from me.

868
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: You do. Oh my gosh, oh my god. This is

869
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: the Ro's Cross. Okay oo ooh, okay, here we go

870
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: ros Wow. Okay, so we begin with the aid of Wands.

871
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: I love this card. Eight of Wands is like okay,

872
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: So wands are of the fire element and it's all

873
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: about like passion and like creativity and travel and stuff

874
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: like that. So wands are about like going out, setting

875
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: out on a journey. Right side up the eight of Wands.

876
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: We actually are starting with a reversal. Okay, we don't

877
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: have all reversals. We totally another card. What Okay, So.

878
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you're doing you do You're like, is

879
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: this your car?

880
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god? I mean looking at Okay, So when

881
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: you look at this card, these are wands darting through

882
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: the sky. Listeners, what are yours called? Again? Your booze?

883
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: Sure booze.

884
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: Imagine eight breadsticks with leaves on them flying through the sky. Yes,

885
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: so this means things are moving forward. If this card

886
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: is right side up. Things are moving forward. It might

887
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: mean like plan to travels. Sometimes soon it is reversed.

888
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: So right now where you're at is you're experiencing some

889
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: delays with things that you want. I'll say phone calls

890
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: aren't you're not getting the call you want.

891
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: I'll say, you're making.

892
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: The plans, they're not taking off right now. Okay, And

893
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: this is what's going on is page of cups is

894
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: your cross. That's your obstacle. So when you see a page,

895
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: it's a youthful energy can be a kind of messenger

896
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: in a way. But page of cops, I would say,

897
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: as an obstacle means you're dealing with a little someone

898
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: who might be immature, unable to kind of community, not

899
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: quite communicate, but offer things in a way that's like

900
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: concrete for you to understand.

901
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody that's not me.

902
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: It could be yeah, it could be me. Okay, well

903
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: I was interpreting it as external influences, but it could

904
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: be you as well. Okay, it could be it could

905
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: be not willing to settle down and look at things

906
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: in a really clear way, is how I would see this.

907
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: It's not a bad card and page of wands. I

908
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: mean page of cups. Excuse me. It can also be

909
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: like an offering of cups are emotional and fluid, so

910
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: it could be you're getting an offer, but it's not

911
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: exactly what you want. I mean, the page is coming

912
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: to you with a cup holding a cup, but there's

913
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: a fish in it. It's lively, it's fun. But is

914
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: that what you want? Ros Do you want a cup

915
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: with a fish?

916
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: I want a salmon? Martine?

917
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Do you want a salmon? Rartini? So it could be

918
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: that it's a lack of immaturity. It could be it's

919
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: not what you want right now, but there's something holding

920
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: up the deal. Okay, that's not that was my initial interpretation.

921
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: You seem to feel like it is you.

922
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 3: I always blame myself. I'm always like it's probably something

923
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing.

924
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: It could be a lack of emotional maturity, or just

925
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: the situation is immature. It hasn't ripened yet, but there

926
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: needs to be. The overall is there is a delay

927
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 2: in your life right now, which is the original card,

928
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 2: and it's because the growth hasn't happened yet on your part.

929
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: Could be in the part of the universe, the events

930
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: surrounding you, they have not reached the point where they're

931
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: ready to take out of the oven right now, but

932
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: we haven't taken a look at the future.

933
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.

934
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you first what's influencing in

935
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: your past? Wow, this is really interesting. You've had a

936
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: lot of joy leading up to this, so it might

937
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: be that you're actually just feeling disappointment now with the

938
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: current situation because ton of Cops is like family reunion,

939
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: feeling surrounded by love, and that's in the recent past.

940
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: And it might just be that you know, you have

941
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: tons of support in your life and so you have

942
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: all that behind you. So what's causing the delay right now?

943
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: We're going to find out, Okay, or find out more.

944
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: It could just be at the nature of things that

945
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: just aren't coming to fruition. But ton of Cups is

946
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: just a very feeling of wholeness that you've recently experienced. Okay,

947
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: in the near future, Well, okay, you have more than

948
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: one page that's really interesting, So.

949
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: Is that me?

950
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: Well, page is another youthful energy. So this is like

951
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: the page is ready to set out. It's like you're

952
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: the spirit of adventure is in your near future. You're

953
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: going to want to really move forward with this. It's

954
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 2: not reversed, it's it's positive, it's standing upright, but it's

955
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: still like a youthful, adventurous energy that is going to

956
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: be ready to set out. So this will happen, it

957
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: will take off for you, and you're getting going to

958
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: get in the near future a lot of like messages

959
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: of inspiration and kind of looking out and considering the potential.

960
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: I would say with Page of Wands, it's the potential

961
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: that's there will be recognized. And I'm youthful, right, yes,

962
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: you are youthful. And you know if this were a

963
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: King of Wands, it would be different. It would be

964
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, kind of in a visionary mode where you're

965
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: just kind of sitting in your throne. But this is

966
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: a more more excitable energy going on. Okay, so these cards,

967
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: ooh wow, I love this. So who these two cards

968
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: we're going to do now are kind of called above

969
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: and below. And the way that I like to describe

970
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: these are there of two different parts of your subconscious.

971
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: One is more your goal and things that's driving you,

972
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: and then the below is kind of the shadow self.

973
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: So these are very cards that are inside the mind

974
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: of Ross Okay, okay, Queen of Wands is like a

975
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: thriving figure. It's like vibrant warm. This is your driving

976
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: you know what is driving you right now is that

977
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: you are so full of like passion and creativity and

978
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: you're you're you're actually the queen tends to also support others,

979
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: so you're you're kind of supporting all that's growing around you.

980
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: You're holding this giant flower, You're sitting with this cat,

981
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: You're like surround. You're in a very abundant place right

982
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: now creatively. Okay, yes, it's it's stuff. It's like a

983
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: mode of thriving and you have a lot of wands

984
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: and this is like this is really good for It's

985
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: the fire of life.

986
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm see My problem with when I get

987
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: readings like this is I'm trying to figure out what

988
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: is what does this exactly mean for me?

989
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well let me tell you the shadow side of

990
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: this is when others come into play. So you know

991
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: on your own independently that you are like you're this fire,

992
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: You're this flame. Well, three of pinacles, So pinnacles are material,

993
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: they're very much of the earth, a house, a job,

994
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: these are things that are represented by a tonic, so

995
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: they don't have Okay, well, this is in the shadow

996
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: of this thriving energy. The polarity is there. It's a

997
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: very positive card. Three of pinnacles. It's people congregating to

998
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: discuss moving forward with a project. You're You're standing in

999
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: front of a cathedral with other people. There's a priest.

1000
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember what the other figure is. I'm

1001
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: like the priest, a rabbi, and a knocked joke. You

1002
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: guys are all standing there consulting with how to make

1003
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: this happen. So maybe it's that I feel like ros

1004
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: you're the one standing on the bench. Okay, yeah, you're right,

1005
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: You're right.

1006
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a bold lady.

1007
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Maybe this is me standing on the

1008
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: bench so I look better on camera. I know that

1009
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: would be the opposite. Actually, Okay, So it's when other

1010
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: people and the and the teamwork is coming in. Is

1011
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: what is also going on in your mind? Do you

1012
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: want to check in for a second? Not yet, Okay,

1013
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: is anything resonating with you?

1014
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: I think so?

1015
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think so. I mean I definitely have

1016
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: lots of ideas that I want to take off.

1017
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, and so I'm this is a very positive

1018
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 2: reading also, and you haven't had any major arcana yet,

1019
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: which are like the sun the fool, you know. So

1020
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: if I were to look at this right now, I

1021
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: would say like, you're on the precipice of good things

1022
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: happening thus far in the reading.

1023
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

1024
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: The advice for you, this is one of my favorite cards,

1025
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: Six of Swords. I want to ask if you're planning

1026
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: to travel or anything like that, because you've had two

1027
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: cards now, so it's delayed for some reason. I think

1028
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: that you need to get away for a little bit

1029
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: based on what I'm seeing in the reading. But I'm

1030
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: going to tell you the other way that I get

1031
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: six of six of Swords. Okay, you are. You have problems.

1032
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: Everyone does. They're all in your mind. Swords are very

1033
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: much of the mind. Swords are thoughts. Everything, it's like

1034
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: from the knack up is swords. Any cards you see

1035
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll be like, oh that looks awful. You know,

1036
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: it's someone with ten daggers in their back, and then

1037
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: you go, but it's their thoughts. Those are their thoughts.

1038
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: So anything with the sword, it's like you can change it.

1039
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: It's it's represented by the air. So it's very mutable. Okay,

1040
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: like mutable, it's very mutable. It's not the word I

1041
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: love that i'd love to be. It is mutable or

1042
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: or can be mutated, you know, can change.

1043
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

1044
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: My friend once got this and a really hard part

1045
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: of her life, and I said, you need to just

1046
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: put your swords in your can and go. It doesn't

1047
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: matter what the problems are, doesn't matter how long it's

1048
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: going to take you to get there. Just go.

1049
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: Because there is a person with a canoe and a

1050
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: bunch of swords, right, Okay, yeah, okay, we're going to

1051
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: fill up that canoe and go.

1052
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the advice position, that's what I would say

1053
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: for this card. Okay. Oh my god, you have so

1054
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: many pages. Do you work in a preschool or something

1055
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: that's going on?

1056
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm just very youthful.

1057
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: Wow you really are? You have triple pages at this juncture?

1058
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: Gen Z?

1059
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're gen Z. That's so funny. You

1060
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: might be gen Y Actually what is y? Oh no, no, no,

1061
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. No, you're gen Z. Forget I was

1062
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: going backward. I was going backward.

1063
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: No, I'm a millennial.

1064
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, but that might be the page.

1065
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: I mean that honestly, So maybe this is my perspective

1066
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: of your friends. I'm like yet another am I No,

1067
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: Page of Pinnacles is great. It's basically presenting like a

1068
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: new financial situation, new opportunity. So there are people out

1069
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: there presenting you with new ways to make money.

1070
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: Okay, new.

1071
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean these are people who are actually surrounding you

1072
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: right now. This card is external influences. Or it could

1073
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: be that you are looking around and going, how are

1074
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: all these people have less experience than me making all

1075
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: this money?

1076
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's a different conversation we can have.

1077
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: Seriously, you're like they booked what Yeah? Okay, so page

1078
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: of Pinnacles and this is all surrounded by No, this

1079
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: is I'm telling you, this is advice. This is external influences.

1080
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh okay, then we're going to go hopes and fears. Okay,

1081
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: oh wow, Oh you're really wanting a relationship right now?

1082
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: Oh what is that gay relationship?

1083
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: Actually?

1084
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: What is that card?

1085
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: Call? It's really beautiful two of cups and look at

1086
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: the coups.

1087
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 3: I mean that's oh now I see it. Okay, I

1088
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: really thought that that was two men like or like.

1089
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Our Maxi dresses in or out, will never know.

1090
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right, I guess that it does.

1091
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: Look like two men who knows it can be love,

1092
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: It can be just like a divine partnership. But you're

1093
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: really looking for that kind of ability to see into

1094
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: another right now and have that connection, and that is

1095
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: a hope and a fear. So while you are open

1096
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: to that, you also need to look at where you're blocked.

1097
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: M Okay, what if I just stay there ross, look

1098
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: at where you're blocked. Did you have to slide your

1099
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: laptop for the finale?

1100
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: Yes? What is the finale? The Ace of Cops that

1101
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: was like part of it.

1102
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, and finally Ace of Cups, we've landed on it.

1103
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,959
Speaker 2: This is like, this is you're ready to totally open

1104
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: your heart and it's a new beginning like this is

1105
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: coming in your future. You're going to be able to

1106
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: give and receive love in like a new way that

1107
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: you haven't before, and it could mean a new relationship

1108
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: for you. That's really significant.

1109
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

1110
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ace is always the beginning. Ace is the beginning,

1111
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: and look at how it kind of comes out of nowhere.

1112
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: That's what I love about the Ace. It looks like Hamburger.

1113
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: Help her hand, just like popping out of this sun.

1114
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's not.

1115
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: Going to be a Sam and Martini. I was supposed

1116
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: to hold the cards up. This is Roz's ultimate outcome card,

1117
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: Ace of Cups.

1118
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. You're so this feels

1119
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: so good.

1120
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: Do you have readings that are doom and gloom or

1121
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: do you look at the positive or do you always

1122
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 3: offer the positive?

1123
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: This is a very positive reading.

1124
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 3: But what if it wasn't? Would you still be able

1125
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 3: to find the positivity?

1126
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: I would give advice. And sometimes what you can do

1127
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: is you can draw an informing card. So you could go, oh,

1128
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: and why is that? And why am I having such

1129
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: a beautiful experience? Oh, because I'm look at If that's

1130
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: an informing card, because everything fell into place for you,

1131
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: then I would say, well, this is the card that

1132
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: would inform it. I would draw another one to explain

1133
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: why it was happening. So this is you know, if

1134
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: we say, okay, this is the informing card for if

1135
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: this were more negative, or let me say, and I know,

1136
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: people go, death isn't negative or whatever. It is a process.

1137
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's like shed, It's like The death card

1138
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: to me is like a snake shedding its in going

1139
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: through a major change, you know, And I like that.

1140
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: I like getting that card. Maybe if I enjoy my life,

1141
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't and.

1142
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: I get the Tower. The tower is the scary card.

1143
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 3: I do daily polls, and I get the Tower the

1144
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: most of any card.

1145
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: You're embracing change. That's one way of looking at it.

1146
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: Because Tower reversed is like you're afraid, you know, you're

1147
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: just totally stalled out. You need the tower. Sometimes the

1148
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: tower people jumping out of a building.

1149
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: It's terrifying.

1150
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy. Weirdly, the people are like half

1151
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: the size of the tower. Sometimes I'm like, the people

1152
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 2: should be small. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's crazy. So

1153
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: this is a really great reading, Roz. I'm gonna I

1154
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: want to look more, because.

1155
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 3: The exciting thing about you having been doing this since

1156
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven is that now you're offering readings

1157
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: to people.

1158
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: From around the world. People can just do this with

1159
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: you over zoom.

1160
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: Anyone can do it. Go to my website Lizzycooperman dot

1161
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: com l Izzy CEO. Oh, it's gonna be in the

1162
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: title of the totally Lizzycooperman dot com and then you

1163
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: can choose between a fifteen minute and a thirty minute

1164
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: reading and I'm gonna be doing those over zoom. Oh

1165
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: my god, I'm so excited.

1166
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: This is so exciting because this is also like I

1167
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: love the way you do this, I love the way

1168
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: you interpret this.

1169
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: It feels good.

1170
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: Okay good.

1171
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that people get an appointment with you

1172
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: because you're only doing it. You know, is this sort

1173
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: of a trial run?

1174
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: Would you say that I'm trying it on zoom? Well,

1175
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: I just posted it. Was it yesterday or two days ago?

1176
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: Because we were talking? Yeah, and I already have.

1177
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: You have some people moments? Yeah, Oh my god. So

1178
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: people need to get in.

1179
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: Yes, get it. I'm like really excited to read new

1180
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: people too, because I've done my same friends over and

1181
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: over or I'll go on a show and you know,

1182
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: but it's like I want to be able to have

1183
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: the time and you know, I'm I'm just really looking

1184
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: forward to that and to Yeah.

1185
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited that you're sharing this gift with

1186
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: the world.

1187
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: So excited. Thank you, Roz.

1188
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: Can we do one other thing?

1189
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to do you want to hear

1190
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: some ghost voices. I want to one hundred percent. Do

1191
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: I get to do one too?

1192
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play two ghosts. Okay, okay, it's time for.

1193
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: Ev P.

1194
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: Or ev pase.

1195
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

1196
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: So electronic voice phenomenon or EVPs. It's when a person

1197
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 3: believes they've captured a ghost speaking audio wise, and so

1198
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 3: people post these on YouTube.

1199
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 2: I spent hour like this is your grandmother, like from

1200
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: the Give Me My Watch back I watch.

1201
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: So I'm going to.

1202
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 3: Play you two of them, and I want you to

1203
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: guess what. Well, tell me what you hear, and then

1204
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna guess from some options of what they believe saying.

1205
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 3: So both of these were posted by Mystical Times blog

1206
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 3: Michelle Eve, and they're at the Minneapolis Art.

1207
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: Institute, my hometown. Have you been to the Art Institute?

1208
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, this first one is in the McFarlane Memorial Room,

1209
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 3: which is on the third floor.

1210
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: And I want you to tell me what you hear

1211
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: this ghost saying. So there's a lot of crumbling going on.

1212
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that is ghosts digging through its perse

1213
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: but you can.

1214
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: Hear them saying something. It's like a whisper.

1215
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: Call me by my name, got me by my name.

1216
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: They're definitely seems to be a.

1217
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: Okay, well, here's some options because they did not think

1218
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 3: it was call me by your name.

1219
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: But there's some of their clothes. Is it A I'm

1220
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: combing my hair? Is it B come with me, Hey Mary?

1221
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: Is it C call to me and I'm there? Or

1222
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: D you called my niece a bad word? Okay?

1223
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: I love that it goes with just interject regardless. That's

1224
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 2: that's what they would speak up about.

1225
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: You called my niece. Don't a bad word?

1226
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: Right, don't call my niece?

1227
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: Okay? Which one is it?

1228
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: I think I was right? I I'm so sorry call

1229
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: me by my name? Well call it really did sound

1230
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: like that.

1231
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: They believe it's come with me, Hey Mary.

1232
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: One more time. Let's get one more world.

1233
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: Oh yes, come with me, Hey Mary.

1234
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1235
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god.

1236
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: Okay, now we need to find out if there was

1237
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: a Mary in the mcfar Mary McFarlane.

1238
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: There could be.

1239
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 3: Okay, this one third floor of the same building, and

1240
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 3: it's a room where it's all French artifacts.

1241
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: It's a quicker one one more.

1242
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 2: I know what I heard. Cheese chucky jays.

1243
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,480
Speaker 1: You know what they don't think that's what it says.

1244
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: So this is what the people think it says.

1245
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:07,839
Speaker 1: Okay, correct? Is it a jump in bet chop in

1246
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: see geppetto oh D give me my watch back.

1247
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 2: I have to say, we've got to call these people

1248
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: and tell them this ghost wants ski ball.

1249
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: This ghost with a pizza, It wants.

1250
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: Pizza, It wants an animatronic band.

1251
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: Yes, they believe it is jump in.

1252
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: No, there's three syllables, jump in.

1253
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: I totally hear it.

1254
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: Jump in cheese. They're then they're telling Chucky's get in

1255
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: the fucking ball, card in the ball pen, jump in

1256
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: the ball pin, jump in the ball? Is it okay

1257
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: that I swore just forre Is it okay? Have you

1258
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: ever sworn on the show before?

1259
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't talk. I don't need.

1260
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: SOMEONEE said to me, you know when someone describes you,

1261
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: do you in a cavalier way? And I said, you know,

1262
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: she's this, this and this. They go, I said, she's

1263
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: this blonde kind of blah blah blah blah, swears like

1264
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: a sailor. And I go, I swear I was all

1265
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: And she goes, oh, I'm so sorry. It made me

1266
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: think she thought I was like, get your fucking ass

1267
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,480
Speaker 2: over here, maybe a fucking martining.

1268
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: I do consider bleeping.

1269
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: Okay, bleep it.

1270
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 1: No, no, we're not, but I do think that bleeping

1271
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 1: is always funnier.

1272
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 3: So we're gonna do some fucking bullshit, motherfucker. Tell people

1273
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: where they can how they can book you one more time.

1274
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 2: Yes, please go to my website Lizzie Cooperman dot com.

1275
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: I have a new tab on there for tarot readings.

1276
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: I highly recommend please do it.

1277
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to do it. And yeah, and it's affordable.

1278
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: It is. It's fifteen minutes for only thirty dollars or

1279
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 2: a half hour, which I would do as super in

1280
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 2: depth reading for fifty dollars.

1281
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: That's that's not bad.

1282
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Or you can get it as a gift for someone,

1283
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 2: and I have, yeah, a thing where it's like, specify

1284
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: if this is for somebody else, work that out.

1285
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh that's great.

1286
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 3: That's why I'm gonna be giving people for their birthdays

1287
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: and stuff.

1288
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you.

1289
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: And also, oh my god, your podcast too, which you

1290
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 3: record in this very room.

1291
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: I record in this very room. You have to listen

1292
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 2: to Roz's episode.

1293
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 3: Because we also got Oscar Montoya on which he has

1294
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: one of the best ghost stories that's ever.

1295
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: Been on this podcast.

1296
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: No way, Yes, okay, I need to go back catching

1297
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 2: up this.

1298
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: It's a long time ago, but it's so good.

1299
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: But your episode, people were messaging me. I was cackling.

1300
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 2: People were done, and there was some talk about bears

1301
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: on the episode. Yes, I thought, I'm not because I

1302
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: get two experts for every episode on it's basically choose

1303
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: your own adventure both my life, so I find experts

1304
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: on the topics that we're going to be discussing. I

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Speaker 5: People like Hi, I live in the middle of nowhere

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