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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is a Wednesday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful Wednesday out.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 1: The lantern flies are really out today. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I got a lot of them on the land.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was actually rushing to get in and

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Speaker 1: I still was able without having to step out of

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Speaker 1: the way at.

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Speaker 3: All, just right in your path. Just nine of them.

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Speaker 1: Boom bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam bam.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty nice for late October. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The worst thing is is now at the Steelers facility.

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Speaker 1: The little ladybugs are out now too. So you got

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Speaker 1: you got some lantern not these ones. These are the

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Speaker 1: invasive ones. The Yeah, they're not real lady bugs or

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Speaker 1: some kind of Asian thing. It looks like a lady bugs.

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Speaker 3: Wash them too, Yeah, I'll be down there, Mike washing them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll be careful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a little different than ladybug.

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Speaker 3: Lady bugs huh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, at the ladybug picnic.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, not all cheery bug stuff. So here anyways,

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Speaker 3: we've got a game coming up.

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Speaker 1: We do have a game coming up, and this one

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Speaker 1: involves two of the teams in the league that have

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Speaker 1: been call it luck, call it good fortune, call it

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Speaker 1: skill winning close games. Yeah, but you have how about

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Speaker 1: this stat map? Thus far since Monday Night Football in

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Speaker 1: Week six, okay, twenty four of the last twenty nine

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Speaker 1: NFL games have been within one score in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: Really, okay, this season.

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Speaker 1: Sixty nine percent of all games, that's seventy three out

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Speaker 1: of one hundred and six are one score games in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the Steelers are four to zero.

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Speaker 1: In those games, right right, right, Yeah, they found ways

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Speaker 1: to be very successful there. Jacksonville is for and one

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Speaker 1: in those games.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean history shows one score games usually come

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Speaker 3: back to the mean one percent. Believe that though, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I do think there is a skill to doing it,

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Speaker 3: you know, like over the last fifteen years or so,

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Speaker 3: just so happens. Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin are

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Speaker 3: the best at it. And they all had good quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: of course too, and they have a high winning percentage period.

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Speaker 3: But I think there's an art to win in a

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Speaker 3: slug fight, you know, a rock fight.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's also a skill of turning a game

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Speaker 1: into one of those that too, that too, And I

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Speaker 1: think these veteran coaches, the Vrabels, the Tomlins, these guys

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Speaker 1: know how to turn to get the other team to

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Speaker 1: play the way they want them to play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we often talk about Raven Steelers. Are the

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Speaker 3: players on the Ravens and Steelers that much different than

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Speaker 3: the other thirty two teams and the other thirty two

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Speaker 3: to thirty teams in the league. No, not really. They're

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Speaker 3: all from Iowa, Wisconsin, Notre Dame blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's a mentality of the coaches in particular.

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Speaker 3: This is how this game goes, you know, And there's

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Speaker 3: an art to not losing for sure, and muddy and

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Speaker 3: things up. And that's one thing that worries me about

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Speaker 3: this game is we know the Steelers have not scored

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Speaker 3: Jags have or the Jags are not. So I want

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Speaker 3: to get this thing into the sixth seventh, you know, round.

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Speaker 1: You want to get into the bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say boxing fight, you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I hear what you're saying, right, Knock that starter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing, you know, I look at

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Speaker 1: this game and to me, the key against the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: and you wouldn't think this with the quarterback and the

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Speaker 3: He has, I mean he has he has more rushing

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Speaker 3: yards than the Steelers do. I mean, he has way

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Speaker 3: more than any other back on the team. You know,

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Speaker 3: they drafted Bigsby in the third round thinking he might

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Speaker 3: be as the hammer to the lightning there the thunder

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Speaker 3: So Atn does everything. He does short yardage, he does

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Speaker 3: I mean he is a pro bowler for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's averaging it's seventy two rushing yards per game.

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Speaker 1: But they use him a lot out of the backfield

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Speaker 1: but he's better when he gets out on the edge

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Speaker 3: He's not a scat back though.

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Speaker 1: No, he's you know, he's a thirty two hundred and

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Speaker 1: five and ten pounds back that you know has some juice.

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Speaker 1: You know. You look at the He is leading the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's the most touches of anyone in period.

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Speaker 3: Including receptions.

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Speaker 1: He's got one hundred and twenty seven carries. Christterra McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: how much they're leaning on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I mean McCaffrey played one hundred

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Speaker 3: I mean he is the most touches in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it says, is all you need to know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they want the ball in his hands and

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Speaker 3: it's working.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think controlling him is going to be

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Speaker 1: be different than it was last week defending the Rams,

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Speaker 1: where against the Rams, the Steelers were often daring the

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Speaker 1: Rams to run the football six man box, Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: In this case, if you have a six man box

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Speaker 3: No, you may keep running. Yeah. He hit his head

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Speaker 3: like some people don't understand that Deonta is the one

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Speaker 3: the pass is tough against these guys. Lawrence has a

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Speaker 3: accuracy this year too, on his deep balls, so he

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Speaker 3: just keying the run, you know, is dangerous in itself.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's not a great answer for such a

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Speaker 1: I will say this. They are a well rounded offense,

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Speaker 1: but they will make mistakes. They have ten turnovers this year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're remarkable at taking the ball away, but

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Speaker 3: they've also given it away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you look at the teams that are

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Speaker 1: high on turnovers, the Raiders, the Browns, the Vikings, the Falcons, Colts, Patriots, Bills, Bears,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of them here tied to ten,

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Speaker 1: including the Dolphins of Giants in Jacksonville, as is Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Lawrence also has five other passes there were he's put

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Speaker 1: the ball harm the people have gotten hands on. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: if the Steelers, they're both plus six. Jacksonville leads the

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Speaker 3: You would think if you lead the league in takeaways,

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Speaker 3: could be better than plus six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, So the key to me, I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do think one of the strengths

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Speaker 3: he's proven to be really good in that manner. I

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Speaker 3: just did this research last night. But Pickets played eighteen games,

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Speaker 3: and I think he's nine and two in the games.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers are nine and two in the games he

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Speaker 3: hasn't thrown a pick, you know, so yeah, and then

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Speaker 3: the other ones he's like two and eight or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's very it's stark contrast. And all

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Speaker 3: Mahomes and Allen and those guys can get over it

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Speaker 3: a lot easier than one interception derailing a whole team.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not making excuses for Picket, but I really

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Speaker 3: do bet at this point and it's working that they're

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Speaker 3: throw picks, and maybe when the fourth quarter rolls around,

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Speaker 3: when his numbers really pick up. They take the governor off.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, what I mean, how about this stat? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in six games this year, the Steelers are four and oh.

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Speaker 1: When George Pickens finishes with seventy five or more yards, okay,

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Speaker 1: they're rowing two when he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, half his games he's at one hundred and more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pickett is twelve of thirty on passes that go

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Speaker 1: fifteen or more yards downfield, which is actually better than

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's an improvement.

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Speaker 3: Sure, your police sentence isn't gonna be as good that deep.

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Speaker 1: When he's throwing to Pickens down fifteen or more yards downfield,

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Speaker 1: he's ten of fourteen with two touchdown. Passes when he

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, no, there's something to that. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guess friar Mouth hasn't gotten deep all that much. Austin's

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Speaker 1: Ton, they haven't had Johnson.

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Speaker 3: They haven't had Johnson. It's not Robinson's game, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Pickens is obviously going to be that guy.

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Speaker 3: Pickens yards per route run, which is my favorite wide

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Speaker 3: receiver stat. He's like eighth in the league.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Tyreek is one, you know. I mean, like he's not

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Speaker 1: And he doesn't catch as many passes as those guys.

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Speaker 3: No, he doesn't, he doesn't. But I mean he's been

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Speaker 3: He's three hundred dard games and six attempts. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 3: and I guess another one was seventy five or more.

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Speaker 3: Because they want no one, I think.

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Speaker 1: You know, just looking at this Jacksonville team, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Somebody called that last week. Yeah, maybe we called that

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Speaker 3: No, he's eighteenth in quarterback EPA. You know, I mean, he's.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and Matt looking here at Derek Clawson's quarterback rankings. We

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Speaker 1: haven't done these in a couple of weeks on the

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Speaker 1: who ranks where, and of course we'll see where Trevor

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's stick in. No, I was looking at these

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Speaker 1: At number thirty two is Tyson Badger of the Chicago Barby.

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Speaker 3: I don't care that he won or whatever. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Right right at thirty one, he put Malik Willis there.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it's gonna be Levis.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be Levis with yeah, with some package stuff,

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Speaker 3: There would be thirty one. But yeah, you know the

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Speaker 1: I didn't love Levis coming out.

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Speaker 1: For either that could be ugly. And of course the

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Speaker 1: next Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're doing a week from now, yeah, or

438
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Speaker 3: eight days from.

439
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Speaker 1: Eight days, eight days a week. Number thirty. Zach Wilson.

440
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. He's been not horrible,

441
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 3: but that's.

442
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,360
Speaker 1: A low bar to exactly, you're not horrible.

443
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 3: You're not horrible.

444
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 1: At twenty nine, Josh Dobbs.

445
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 3: He's falling back into this.

446
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

447
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 3: It was hot there for a while, but that's hard to.

448
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: Maintain, it is, And the injuries is they have no

449
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 1: running game, They nothing there to supplement with.

450
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 3: He's a quality backup that made himself a lot of

451
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 3: money and should last in league as long as he wants. Now.

452
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 1: At twenty eight, Gardner minshew, I guess that's still where

453
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: he belongs.

454
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Speaker 3: I mean they move the football. They scored some points

455
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 3: against the Browns a couple of games this year. They've

456
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 3: been pretty good on offense overall.

457
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,880
Speaker 1: But it's but when they run the ball effective. Yeah,

458
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 1: when they can run the ball effectively, they're a dangerous team.

459
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 3: They are, they are. I mean he's never the engine.

460
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Speaker 1: No, No. At twenty seven, down a spot is Bryce Young.

461
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think his rookie season has

462
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: been unsuccessful, but it also hasn't been exciting.

463
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 1: There's not a lot around him.

464
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: Off They're probably the worst team in the league.

465
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Speaker 1: At twenty six. Down a spot is Sam Howe.

466
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 3: He's he makes plays, but the sacks are saying.

467
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Speaker 1: You have to yeah, you have to factor in this.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

469
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Speaker 1: He might get sacked thirty times this week.

470
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and if the over under is like

471
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: seven or eight, I would go over.

472
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that's part of the that's part of

473
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: playing quarterbackart of the deal, taking these negative plays.

474
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: They always say sacks are as much as a quarterback status.

475
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: They are protection.

476
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I was so. I think the Giants had

477
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: five sacks going into last Sunday's game as a team.

478
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: They had six in that game against him for fifty

479
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: two yard So he's not only taking sacks, but he's

480
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I got to get back to the

481
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage here, and if sacks a two yard loss,

482
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: it's a big difference between taking a sack for a

483
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Speaker 1: nine yard loss.

484
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's not Peyton Manning when he

485
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: knew he was getting get sacked or Brady wheor he

486
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 3: just crumbles and doesn't take the hit and doesn't go backwards.

487
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: You know, he rolls the opposite direction, turns his back.

488
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: To the defense, starts running backwards.

489
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: And there's no spectacular with him either. Yeah, if there

490
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 3: was some, if he was a roller coaster, great, But

491
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: we're always climbing, you know.

492
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: At twenty five up two spots as Kenny.

493
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Speaker 3: Pickett, Yeah, I mean he's talking about the whole season.

494
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: At least he's climbing. Here's what he has to say.

495
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what to make of Kenny Pickett either.

496
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Speaker 1: For about three quarters Pickett did a whole lot of

497
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: nothing against the Rams. I don't to me, I don't

498
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: know that that's entirely the case. Because again, if George

499
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: Pickens doesn't run his go route in the first quarter

500
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: down so close to this, to the sideline, the ball

501
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: isn't thrown slightly. Actually, if he at least gives himself

502
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: some room to make the catch without going out of bounds, greed,

503
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: If he pulls in the pass over the middle, it

504
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: was about a fifteen to twenty yard game. They convert

505
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: that third down, they're still on the field. Those are

506
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: the things you don't see. It wasn't a bad pass.

507
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: See. I think Pickett for the season has had a

508
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 3: lot of bad quarters.

509
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: Yes, the first half of that game was not it.

510
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just say I don't think any of the

511
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: Rams game was his low lights. No, you know what

512
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: I mean. And the other thing I'm hoping and thinking

513
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: have gone away is he's not just missing open guys

514
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: like he did the first one.

515
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they missed some layups early.

516
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: Oh man. I mean that never added up to me.

517
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: And think about it like his how his first half goes.

518
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: If Pickens doesn't get called for the crackback block on

519
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson's catch and run again, that converts another first

520
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: down about the eight yard line, Yeah, now you're you know,

521
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: maybe you go in for a touchdown there again, changes

522
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: the whole complexion. Instead, they get a fifteen yeard penalty.

523
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: They end up having to kick a field goal because

524
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: it's you know, second or third and twenty seven. You know,

525
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: those little things like that add up to putting more

526
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: pressure to quarterback than you need.

527
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: I didn't think were bad.

528
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: They moved the football in that game.

529
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: I didn't think he looked terrible they had.

530
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: A second down sack on the on the opening drive.

531
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: The second drive was a holding penalty that waylaid that one,

532
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: and then the third one was you know, he just

533
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: he can't make those or No. The second one was

534
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Speaker 1: the five yard loss on the run by Najie Harrison

535
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: after they'd gotten six on first down. Yeah, now you

536
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: back into third and nine again. And then the third

537
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: one was another holding penalty that puts you behind the

538
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: changing like these are things that they're not on the

539
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: quarterback necessarily.

540
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean, but you're making it hard on

541
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: the quarterback. They're making it hard on the quarterback. Now,

542
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: he's had a lot of bad moments this year. I mean,

543
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with him being low on

544
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 3: this list. I do think he should start climbing up,

545
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: which it sounds like he is. But I wouldn't say

546
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 3: the Rams game was bad quarterbacking until the fourth quarter.

547
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say that either. That was that was

548
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: what I he said. He continues here he was crumbling

549
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: against the Rams blitzes and couldn't make any throws outside

550
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: of the usual sideline fifty to fifty balls to George Pickens. Well,

551
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: I would also suggest those don't seem to be fifty

552
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: to fifty balls.

553
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: No, that's a foundation of what they do. The back shoulder.

554
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: The back shoulder to me, a fifty to fifty ball

555
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: down the sideline is a go route. You know, nobody

556
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: ever said that. You know, Oh, Brett far Of all

557
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: he can do is throw these back shoulder or Aaron

558
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Rodgers Rogers. Yeah, all they do is throw back shoulder throws.

559
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: No, I think that's become a foundational thing. You can't

560
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 3: stop it's right.

561
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: But as the game went on, the Rams called off

562
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: the Dogs a little bit. I don't know if they

563
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: did that.

564
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: I thought the protections were better.

565
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: I thought the Steelers adjusted what were doing.

566
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought they had some bad protection stuff early

567
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: recognition wise.

568
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Pickett came in the form. Pickett didn't play

569
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: nearly as well as the numbers suggest, but he did

570
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: make one key third and eight throw to Deontae Johnson

571
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: to extend the drives. It led to the Steelers tie

572
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: the game early in the fourth quarter. With the way

573
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense played in the second half, that was

574
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: all Pickett needed to do for the win. I'm still

575
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: dubious about Picket. He doesn't make enough throws within structure

576
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: outside of the sideline balls to Pickens, I'm not sure

577
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: I trust some of his fourth quarter success to hold up.

578
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: So we're now eighteen starts into this thing. He has

579
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: five fourth quarter comebacks, He's led six game winning drives

580
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. At some point you have to

581
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: start believing in this stuff.

582
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean those things can certainly be fluky, you know,

583
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: I mean, why is this true? But when it becomes

584
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: a trend, you have to recognize it.

585
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: You have to recognize the trend. Some quarterbacks just to

586
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: have that gene.

587
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: No, I definitely think that that's something that he will

588
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: that is true to him.

589
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: I think is a foundational part of Kenny Pickett.

590
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.

591
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: I think you need to figure out the early stuff

592
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And I thought he took us,

593
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, some steps towards that against the Rams, but

594
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, you always have that comeback ability in your

595
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: back pocket.

596
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: I also think accuracy is something that should be a

597
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: strength for him, and it looks like it's starting to

598
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 3: become one again. After early in the year, I didn't

599
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: understand what was going on.

600
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder how much of that was not

601
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: having Deontay Johnson.

602
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: He just missed open guys a lot, I know the season,

603
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: which I didn't get because that's not his profile.

604
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: At twenty four, down from nineteen, he has Deshaun Watson.

605
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry he always says Watson low.

606
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: But Watson should be below picket. He should be below

607
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: how he should be below Howe he might be thirty one?

608
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what you hang your

609
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: hat on. We've had a lot of dessut de seun

610
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: Watson conversations the last couple days. But what's he done

611
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: well in the Browns uniform?

612
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: Nothing?

613
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: What's he done well in the last nine hundred dates?

614
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: Nothing?

615
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

616
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Right, win some lawsuits are actually didn't win him. He

617
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: just settled them, that's what. That's the best thing. And

618
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: he's done in the last four years.

619
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

620
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: At twenty three, down from twenty two, Jordan Love. I

621
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: might pick it ahead of him too too.

622
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: He does not have the accuracy. I mean, I know

623
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: he's thrown some touchdowns.

624
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: But he's a better fantasy quarterback days in real life.

625
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: No, I have not been impressed. The first week or

626
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: two he was. Oh, it looks like Loves will be

627
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: okay now, he's a mess.

628
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point on your winning for the quarterback

629
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: should matter.

630
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: Of course, of course. Um yeah, Packers overall are disappointed.

631
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: At twenty two is Tyrod Taylor.

632
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: He's played well. I mean, do I think he's a

633
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: twenty second best quarterback that's walking in the Earth's.

634
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Benefiting right now from not being Daniel Jones.

635
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's also just not screwing things up too. Yeah,

636
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: he also has an advantage Jones.

637
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: They scored fourteen points last week, the week before that,

638
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: what they have fourteen again? I think he scored. He

639
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: scored fourteen points in each of us to get last

640
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: get two games.

641
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: And Jones would have liked to had Barkley, And it

642
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: makes it certainly makes a different the receiving corps a

643
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: little firmer now they're not searching anymore. So it's you know,

644
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: the line is still a mess for both of them.

645
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: But no, I think he's a high end Backup.

646
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: At twenty one is Baker Mayfield.

647
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: He's been fine. I mean, I guess he should be

648
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: around that neighborhood for me. I don't think he's great,

649
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: but I think he's had a pretty decent year.

650
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: At twenty up from twenty three is Mac Jones.

651
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: He played very well this past week. Let's see you

652
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: do it next week. Yeah, yeah, played really well this week.

653
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Jones didn't attempt a single throw beyond twenty yards.

654
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it was all get it out quick.

655
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: That's who he is.

656
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's that's more of knowing that

657
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: the Bills we're playing linebackers in the second level who

658
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: had no idea.

659
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Speaker 3: To me, that's good coaching. Get it out of his hands.

660
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: He can't protect. He's a good quick decision maker. Okay,

661
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: he needs to do succeed.

662
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Speaker 1: I might have a fight with him here because it's

663
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Speaker 1: at nineteen up. A spot is Desmond Ritter. Fumbles matter.

664
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Speaker 3: I don't think fumbles matter. I don't think he's a

665
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: good passer either. No, and he would be five spot flowers.

666
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: Turning the ball over as a quarterback should matter a

667
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: great deal.

668
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: I think he's holding that team back dramatically.

669
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

670
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: I mean, if they had a if a Baker, they

671
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 3: would be a much better team than if they'd run.

672
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Speaker 1: And they were lucky to get They won sixteen to thirteen,

673
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: and he lost three fumbles.

674
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

675
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Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't throw an interception. Yeah, he turned the

676
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Speaker 1: ball over three.

677
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: Times in the red zone. No, I don't think he's

678
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: a starting quarterback.

679
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: At eighteen holding steady as Jimmy Garoppolo.

680
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Speaker 3: I guess he's back as a starter. That's what he is.

681
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: Fine till last a month.

682
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Okay, Seventeen is Russell Wilson.

683
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: That's what he is, and I think that's his ceiling now.

684
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever going to get back to

685
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Speaker 3: being ten or nine or you know.

686
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Speaker 1: Sixteen is Derek Carr.

687
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Speaker 3: He's playing like Garbling. I think he's I'm not sure

688
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: who all are put over him that we just listed,

689
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: but he's very conservative.

690
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: At fifteen holding steadies.

691
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: Brock Purty, Okay, I mean he's had a better year

692
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: than everyone listed, but he's starting to come back to earth.

693
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the last two weeks and not good.

694
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: Not been good.

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Speaker 1: At fourteen is CJ. Stroud.

696
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is one pick. I mean he's

697
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Speaker 3: playing quite well.

698
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Speaker 1: Thirteen is Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: I may even have him higher. I mean I know

700
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Speaker 3: that this past week was awful, but it was awful

701
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: for everyone in the lines. Jersey.

702
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: At twelve is Kirk Cousins.

703
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: May even have him higher, especially after what he did

704
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: to the Niners, we'll see exceptionally he was ahead of

705
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Speaker 3: him here.

706
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, at eleven is Joe Burrow.

707
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Speaker 3: That's that's kind of how i'd rank him.

708
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, I just mentioned to you off the air

709
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Burrow's averaging five point three yards per passe a ten.

710
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awful. I mean he's not a past attempt.

711
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: I mean he's had the twenty eighth best quarterback year.

712
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is kind of a career. It's a career

713
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: achievement already. That he's eleven right now, because he doesn't

714
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: deserve to be eleven.

715
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Speaker 3: No, although the last couple of weeks have been much

716
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: better than the first couple of weeks, but I don't know.

717
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Where it couldn't have been worse.

718
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: It could have been worse. I don't know where i'd

719
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: rank him, though. I mean you've got to respect that

720
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: he is playing hurt and is a good player.

721
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: Ten is toua.

722
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think some people would have two

723
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: of like four or five. I think he realizes what

724
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: two is asked to do is not crazy difficult.

725
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: Nine is Gino Smith? Kind of tell you where we're at.

726
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: I know Clawston loves Gino.

727
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: You go to West Virginia or something.

728
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do know that Gino. He always

729
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: calls him the quarterbacks quarterback because hang in the pocket.

730
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: He's very accurate. I just don't think he's a game changer.

731
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: No, I don't think a couple of guys that we've

732
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: listened to be in the top ten.

733
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: My Cousins is better than him.

734
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been playing. He's playing better too.

735
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

736
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Eight is Jalen Hurts. Yeah.

737
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: I mean he hasn't been himself, but he's hard to

738
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: play against. The offensive structured around him. The passing game

739
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: starting to pick up. Yeah.

740
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Speaker 1: Seven is Dak Prescott.

741
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 3: II Hurts ahead of him right now.

742
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: I have Hurts ahead of Dak.

743
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: I might have Cousins ahead of him right now.

744
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I think I would too. Yeah, he's doing a lot

745
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: more with less. Yeah.

746
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

747
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Six is Matthew Stafford.

748
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm still there with that. I would have him over

749
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: all the NFC gains.

750
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Speaker 1: Okay, So this brings me to the We're gonna get

751
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: here to. Five is Herbert and four is Trevor Lawrence.

752
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: Three is Lamar Jackson. So the Steelers have faced number three.

753
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: It made him look pedestrian. They faced number would I say,

754
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: five six on this list, Matthew Stafford and made him

755
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: look pedestrian. Now they're facing number five four this week

756
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: in Trevor Lawrence. Like, this is nice track record here

757
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: thus far this season of bringing these guys down, bringing

758
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: some of these guys down to a Donald level.

759
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's a good point. The one thing I'm

760
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: taking away from this though, too, is who were franchise

761
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: quarterbacks right now? I mean I think I mentioned this

762
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: Monday after I did the hit with Mark Madden and

763
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: he kind of was like, h I was looking around

764
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: the league and it's not that hard to maybe get

765
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: to be the tenth best quarterback. I mean, yeah, it

766
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: isn't right now. If all you got to do would

767
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: be better than Gino Smith. I mean, just to be

768
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: to be considered a you know, a top two or

769
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: three tier guy. That's not great state of quarterbacking right now.

770
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: It really isn't now the top three. You know, you

771
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: get Lamar at three, You've got Josh Allen at two,

772
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: and of course Mahomes at one.

773
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: Sure, and maybe Burrow gets back to that level.

774
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: The league needs Burrow to get back to them.

775
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, or I don't think he could ever beat.

776
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: The league needs Herbert to get you know, yeah, head.

777
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: Is behind you, and get healthy for once and play better.

778
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: And you know, losing Rogers didn't help. You know, he'd

779
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: be or eighth or something.

780
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be twenty, right, he'd be ahead of Geno

781
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: Smith exactly.

782
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: And maybe I mean I'm reaching, but could Kyler get

783
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: the nine? Yeah? I mean can you get better in

784
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: Geno Smith? Yeah? Yeah, you know, but I mean.

785
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: But I think we've both thought Gino Smith was right too.

786
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: High, too high right right, But it's I mean I

787
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: think he can get the Dak level.

788
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. For the other playing this year, yeah, I will say,

789
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, I again, the Steelers have done a good

790
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: job against the holding some of these better quarterbacks down,

791
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: you know, as good as Stafford as they scored seventeen points, yeah,

792
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Lamar had ten. Yeah, who else was on that list

793
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: that they played?

794
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: Stroud and Minshew did or Stroud and Party did really well?

795
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: They did really well?

796
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the top guys, yeah, no, I hear it.

797
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 3: I'm just the state of quarterbacking is not great right now.

798
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: It really isn't. And there is some of that ebb

799
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: and flow. I mean, oh yeah, Jared Goff was was

800
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: having a great year.

801
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't last week. Matt Jones was really.

802
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: Really awful, and then last week he was good.

803
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, there's a hint.

804
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: You know, there's roller coaster rides with these guys.

805
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean, not that they're not. He's great, but it

806
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: would be if Jones and Matt Daniel Jones and Fields,

807
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: you know, were actually playing, you wouldn't have badging at

808
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: thirty two, you know what I mean? Or wouldn't mind

809
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: was seeing Richardson or you know, I mean some of

810
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: the guys that were supposed to be starters and at

811
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: least doesn't mean they'd be good, but the guys that

812
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: were penciled in to be starters were short, like six

813
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 3: or seven of them.

814
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Richardson's a that's a tough one for me because

815
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: he started three games this year, but he didn't finish

816
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: all three starts, right, all three starts right? Like that's

817
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: a again a trait for a quarterback.

818
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. I mean,

819
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: if my doctors told me something or he did not

820
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: take a hit, I mean, he's needs. The problem with

821
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: worries me about him, and that is included is more

822
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: than any of these young guys. He didn't have the

823
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: reps coming in right, like Lance, And if you get

824
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: some bad luck or you don't protect yourself and all

825
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're getting traded to the Cowboys for

826
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: a fifth round pick, you know, because the train's not

827
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: waiting for you, you know it does. He flushed us

828
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: a year down the grain. If he starts slow next

829
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: year or anything, I mean, like breaks a finger that's

830
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: not his fault, or you know, anything that could happen

831
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're like, well, what do we

832
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: do with him?

833
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, not this that I saw today? Since the

834
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: Buccaneers play on Thursday night. Baker Mayfield and this is

835
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: his sixth season in the NFL. Okay, how many head

836
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: coaches do you think he's had? Wow?

837
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: Six?

838
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: Eight?

839
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 3: Eight?

840
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: If you're if you're toad balls and the GM comes

841
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: you and say, hey, we want to sign Baker Mayfield,

842
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: You're like, uh.

843
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: In trouble. Yeah, that's the first overall pick.

844
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: That's the first of that's the most for a player

845
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: in his first six seasons in NFL history, eight different

846
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: head coaches.

847
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: So like, he has no chance to be successful with.

848
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: That is it a chicken or the egg?

849
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: That's I was going to say, is it?

850
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: But if he was, if he was good, they would

851
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: if they wouldn't go through so many coaches.

852
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 3: I'd say Josh Allen and Lamar were in that class. Hypothetically,

853
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: if the Browns would have drafted one of those two.

854
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Allen came out in the same year, he's had

855
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: one coach. Lamar Jackson came out in the same year

856
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: he's had one coach. Right, what's the commonality there?

857
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: They both win.

858
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: They're actually good.

859
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: They're good. That's what I mean. If the Browns would

860
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: drafted one of those two.

861
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Because if you remembered when Harbaugh went to Lamar Jackson

862
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: were they was talking in his seat with Baltimore that

863
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: he was going to get fired.

864
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if Lacco was there and they just

865
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: installed a mid season tore up the playbook basically, I mean,

866
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: that's a gutsy move.

867
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: It was a move of desperation they had. Otherwise he

868
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be there. Right, maybe he's a defensive

869
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: coordinator on his brother's team or something. Yeah, now you're right,

870
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: he's in a whole different kind of trouble. That was

871
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: to push all your chips in and it worked. Yeah, Yeah,

872
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: we gotta get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

873
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00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,960
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Speaker 3: Nice. There's some really nice giveaway stuff.

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Speaker 1: How about that. Today's question, Matt, I got a question

897
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Speaker 1: for today, Heath Miller or Deontay Johnson. Who has the

898
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: most receptions in a game versus the Jaguars.

899
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: Seems like it has to be Heath. I think I

900
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: get them wrong everywhere.

901
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: You're consistently pretty wrong on these.

902
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me, like this is not how my mind.

903
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: Well, think about the couple of times that Deontay has

904
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: played them, you know they've had He's tore them up. Yeah,

905
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: I had to throw the football a little bit.

906
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: That was an great student. Yeah, it didn't exactly hit

907
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: the books with the same vigor I do football preparation

908
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: and whatnot. No, so I just assumed, if they're going

909
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: to try to bait me into Deontay's the obviously answer,

910
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: it must be Heath. That's what That's why. That's how

911
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: I thought that.

912
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: Through that Spider Man memes.

913
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, that's how that's how I ended up getting

914
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Speaker 3: a C minus.

915
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at today's injury report for the Steelers. Patrick

916
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: Peterson was resting today. Anthony McFarlane who's still he's designated

917
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: to return and he's in that twenty one day practice.

918
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: Was like seven days.

919
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: This is week two. Yeah, this was the first day

920
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: of week two. Full participant today, Okay. Levi Wallace with.

921
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: The McFarland though, I mean, if there's no reason to

922
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: activate him, if he's not going to be active on

923
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: game day, right, you know, like they might not.

924
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: They could use him last week or because if they

925
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: activate him, then they got to get rid of somebody else.

926
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Speaker 1: That's the key right now.

927
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: But it's not like he's Deontay where second he's ready

928
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: get yeah, right.

929
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Speaker 1: Now, right, Levi Wallace with a foot did not practice.

930
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Speaker 1: Cole Holcombe with the ankle injury was a full participant.

931
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Speaker 3: Do you have any answer to this question? And it's

932
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: a tough one, but would you ask me that Hart

933
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 3: Heath Miller, Deionte Pierre played two snaps last week?

934
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Speaker 1: Yes?

935
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Speaker 3: Was that because Wallace foot bugged them or something? Okay,

936
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Speaker 3: I'm just putting that together now because they didn't ever

937
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: mention his foot, and I'm like, when I don't even

938
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Speaker 3: remember Pierre being out there for Tuesdays.

939
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Speaker 1: Yes, but okay, Nate Herbig was ill today so he

940
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: didn't practice, and then Isaac Samolo got his regular Wednesday off.

941
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: He played really well, by the way too. Yeah, the

942
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 3: left side the line I thought was very impressive.

943
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: For the Jaguars. Tyson Campbell cornerback Tyson Campbell with the

944
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: hamstring limited.

945
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: We were talking abou him in the first segment. I

946
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: think he's far and away their best corner. He's a

947
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: good young player.

948
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: Safety Andre Cisco another starter limited. He's got a hamstring.

949
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: He flies around the field. He makes some mistakes, but

950
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: he's important to them.

951
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: They're coming off remember as well, they played Thursday night.

952
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: This is a long week.

953
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: It's a long week for them and they've still got

954
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: guys missing. Defensive tackle devon On Hamilton, with a back,

955
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: was a full participant, but wide receivers A Jones with

956
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: a knee did not participate. He hasn't played since Week

957
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: one and they didn't put him on.

958
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: I R. I didn't know it's been that long.

959
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Cornerback Gregory Junior with a hamstring

960
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: was a full participant. Quarterback Trevor Lawrence with his knee

961
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: limited offensive lineman Walker Little, who's their starting left tackle. Yeah, uh,

962
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: he has a knee, he's limited. And then offensive lineman

963
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Schurff is one of their starting guards with an ankle,

964
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: was limited. So for a team coming off of a

965
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: h they're a little more banged up than what you'd

966
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: think you did.

967
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little surprised if there's that many limited. I mean,

968
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Speaker 3: I would bet most of those dudes play.

969
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: I would think. But you don't like to see two

970
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: of your starting defensive backs have hamstring issues.

971
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: That's troublesome, right, because Campbell missed last week from what

972
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: I remember, but I think it's so his injury is

973
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: pretty fresh. Yeah, and his little worriesome to me.

974
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: As you know, as we just saw in the case

975
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: of Pat Friarmouth, he came back with a limited practice

976
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: on the Wednesday after missing a game and aggravated.

977
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: That thing can always happen.

978
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, especially if you're a guy who makes you

979
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: living running around like it's not different for an offensive

980
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: lineman or a defense you know, something like that.

981
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: So our audience might not know this because we kind

982
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: of brushed over Lawrence. So if you're not paying attention

983
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: to the Jags, which why would you There was a

984
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: lot of worry if he would play last Thursday or not. Yeah, Like,

985
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: he seemed like a true fifty to fifty questionable dude

986
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: go up to and he played, and he ran for

987
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: more yards than he ever has and they won and

988
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: he looked good. So I wouldn't be holding your breath

989
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: that he's not going to play.

990
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't either. Yeah, he's going to play. Yeah,

991
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a matter of you.

992
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, I don't think he did anything to

993
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: hurt the knee worse from what I've read or anything

994
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: like that.

995
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: No, I didn't either. They just weren't particularly challenged in

996
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: that game against the Saints, which is again kind of

997
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: a troublesome thing here that there's some similarities right now

998
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: between what's going on in New Orleans and what's going

999
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: on in Pittsburgh.

1000
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean.

1001
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Both teams having troubles to score being the main common exactly,

1002
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: the main common outlets.

1003
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 3: Are having a lot of line issues. Car has been

1004
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: very very bashful, I mean, just happy to dump it

1005
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: off and not push the ball on the field, you know.

1006
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: So Chris Alvey has been non existent except for getting

1007
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: speeding tickets anyways. Yeah, so you know, I think.

1008
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: That both teams should be pretty much full go though,

1009
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: should be pretty close to.

1010
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: It, pretty healthy. Here. Steelers offense, Matt, right now is

1011
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: they're up to averaging and the two games that they

1012
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: where they really struggled to score have skewed everything, of course,

1013
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: which that's all part of it.

1014
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it counts, is just saying.

1015
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: But right now they're averaging seventeen point two points per game,

1016
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: which is the same as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1017
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: And that includes defensive scores, right, that's.

1018
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: Just scoring points. Cincinnati Bengals are still below them. Oh yeah,

1019
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: sixteen point seven. As much as everyone say this is

1020
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: the worst offense in the league, it's it's not the

1021
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: worst offense in the league.

1022
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: It's not the Oh I don't think so either, not close.

1023
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's teams like the Jets and

1024
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: Giants and really the Patriots, the Raiders. I mean, I'm

1025
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: not sure if the Bears are any better. I mean,

1026
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm not even looking at points per game Titans. Titans

1027
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 3: are bad. I mean, there's there's easily a half dozen

1028
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: that I would not swap out with Panthers, Panthers are worse.

1029
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: Panthers are probably the worst, and.

1030
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: Yet those teams are like, right now the Panthers are

1031
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: averaging eighteen point seven points per game. But those things,

1032
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: those things will Yeah, that's I was just gonna say,

1033
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: those things will even out over the next few weeks here,

1034
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: and then teams kind at mid season. Yeah, mid season

1035
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: you kind of settle in because now you've got a

1036
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: much bigger group of games, yeah, from which to draw from,

1037
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: and then you don't see much movement one way or

1038
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the other.

1039
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I think any of the harshest of critics

1040
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: listening would tell you the offense is playing better now

1041
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: than it was the season.

1042
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: For example, on that the Miami Dolphins had a seventy

1043
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: point game, there are scoring averages now going down to

1044
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: thirty four point three points per game. Yeah, that's kind

1045
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: of like you've played seven games. So if you take

1046
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: that seventy point seventh of it, one seventh of it,

1047
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: you're really averaging twenty four points per game in the

1048
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: other six games.

1049
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I Mean, obviously that game's insane, but that

1050
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: does skew things too much, and it just.

1051
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Kind of shows you where where the scoring is at, right,

1052
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: now in the league.

1053
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, give it another three weeks or so,

1054
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: Miami might not even be leading the league.

1055
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: So if the Steelers can get if we're after a

1056
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: couple more weeks here, the Steelers are up to averaging

1057
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: twenty points per game.

1058
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: I'd say twenty is a reasonable goal for a month

1059
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: from now. So it's also considering who you're playing and

1060
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: things like that.

1061
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: Right, I don't think that's you know, I think at

1062
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: least you're moving it in the right direction.

1063
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot like last year.

1064
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: And if you can get into the end of the

1065
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: season and you're averaging twenty three point you know, ish

1066
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: points per game, oh, I would take that right that

1067
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: puts you right now. The Seahawks are averaging twenty four.

1068
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: That's not almost in today's NFL. That puts you as

1069
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: almost a top ten team one three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.

1070
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are twelve with twenty four or twenty four

1071
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: points per game.

1072
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: Okay, and weather's going to set in. I should know this,

1073
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: but I do think there's there's gonna be less scoring

1074
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: in late year because of weather across the league too,

1075
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: But also offensive started so slow this year maybe the

1076
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: league is nowhere to go, but up. I think the

1077
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: stealers are part of that though. I mean, I do

1078
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: think that they're trending the right direction.

1079
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: At least they're moving the right way, not the wrong way.

1080
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean got the first rushing scores of

1081
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: the year this past week, and you know, did some

1082
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: good things in the red zone, I mean red zones

1083
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: and the brutal for the whole league's here.

1084
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really has. We're gonna get to another break.

1085
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lalli. When we

1086
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: come back time for the Fantasy Football Focus, we'll do

1087
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: that right after this.

1088
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: Cool.

1089
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: We are always talking black and gold on SNR.