WEBVTT - Sentencing Day for Idaho Murderer Bryan Kohberger: Will He Speak? 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.520 Hey, folks, It's July twenty third, and today the man 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.520 who killed four University of Idaho students has an opportunity 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:17.840 in open court to finally answer the question why why 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:21.680 did he kill those four students? He has an opportunity 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.400 to tell us, But will he? And with that, welcome 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.720 to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:28.400 Robes. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.159 Not a lot of mystery in the sentencing of Coburger today, 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.080 But here we are three years later, and we still 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.240 don't have any idea why he killed these kids. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.159 And as excruciating as it is for the families, the 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.040 parents of these four students to just accept the fact 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.680 that their loved ones are gone and we're brutally murdered, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.920 but to have no idea why is just adding insult 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.639 to injury. And so these families, with the exception of 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.520 one of the victims' families, will be in court first 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.160 of all together their own impact statements, their own victim 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:02.960 impact statements. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.600 This is their first. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:09.720 Chance to directly address Brian Koberger, the man who has 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.480 been well, he's now pleaded guilty to murdering these four students, 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.240 to tell them the impact he's had on their lives, 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.119 to tell them the lives he took away and took 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.680 from this world. But yes, they're also hoping to hear 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.360 something from him. They all want to know what his 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.360 motive was, and right now no one knows. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.960 We all remember the crime was shocking, horrific enough at 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.200 the time, but you're looking for an answer, like what 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.160 was going on? What was the relationship even to these kids? 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.160 There was none apparently that we can all tell. But 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.320 it was so horrific. And here we are three years 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.600 later that the family is finally there won't be a trial, 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.360 and some were relieved, we don't have to have a trial. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:47.680 And some were upset about it. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.760 And some were upset. But this was supposed to be 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.920 some type of finality, right when people finally, when victims' 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.560 families finally see the person who's responsible go to prison, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.800 the trial is over, supposed to be the end of it, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.960 never be over until they get this answer. How could 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:08.360 they ever rest in peace, quite frankly, until their families 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.440 have some kind of finality and understanding about why this 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:13.000 man did this. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.799 That's right, one legal expert said. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.959 Today could be if we did hear from Brian Coberger, 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.520 and we did hear something, this could be what amounts 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.560 to a legal funeral of sorts where you actually do 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.880 get closure, and you do get answers, and you can 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.720 finally put all of those gnawing, nagging questions to bed. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.000 But let's just take you back to November thirteenth, twenty 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:37.480 twenty two, where Kaylee Goncales, Madison, Mogen Xana Kernodle, and 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.160 Ethan Chapin were there in this off campus house. They 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.359 were students there at the University of Idaho, and they 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.880 were stabbed to death at their residence in the middle 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.600 of the night. There were two other roommates there that 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.359 evening who managed to survive, and one of them actually 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.720 did and was able to tell police that she saw 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.639 a masked man walking through their apartment. Those two roommates 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.240 may also speak today. There's some anticipation that they may 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.520 get up and address Brian Coberger as well, but ultimately 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.880 DNA evidence from a sheath from the knife he used 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.480 linked him directly to the crime, along with the online 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.440 purchase of that knife and the sheath. They had surveillance 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.639 video of his vehicle in the area and his own 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.400 cell phone pinged to that tower nearby the site of 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.560 the killing, so they had a lot of evidence, and 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.440 they were seeking the prosecutors were seeking the death penalty, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.800 and at least one family member of one family wanted 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.800 to see him put to death. They didn't want him 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.600 to have life in prison, and they wanted a trial, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:36.960 and they wanted answers. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.120 They were hoping information would come out in that trial. 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.840 The trial was going to happen up until a couple 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.480 of months ago, because up until a couple of months 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.040 ago he was still maintaining at least a not guilty 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.080 plea in court and the trial was going to happen. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.839 They made an attempt in April at least to try 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:56.600 to get the death penalty off the table. His defense 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:01.119 lawyers did because he was recently diagnosed with autism asd 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.560 autism spectrum disorder, and they made a case that, hey, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.600 because he has this, the Supreme Court is saying that 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.680 this would amount a cruel and unusual punishment, the death 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.560 penalty for someone who has this now. Uh huh. The 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.680 judge rejected that, yes, he has whatever autism now, but 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.960 that is not going to stop the prosecution from seeking 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.080 the death penalty, And then negotiations started with the prosecution 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.600 about pleading guilty and he is pled guilty. Four life sentences, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.480 no possibility of parole now short of the death penalty. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.320 That is as tough of a sentence as you're going 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:34.640 to get, and it's not enough. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.040 Some people want their day in court. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:37.880 And look, this was a bit of a surprise guilty 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.599 plead to a lot of people. It happened on July seconds, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.919 so just a couple weeks ago. And yes, he is 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.640 going to prison for the rest of his life. But 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.680 some family members are upset with prosecutors over the deal. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.599 They wanted input, they wanted to have a say and 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.840 whether or not they were okay with that deal or not. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.320 So they were upset that they didn't get their day 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.919 in court, which was supposed to be August eleventh, and 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.120 this trial was supposed to last for three months. This 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.280 was going to be a very public spectacle. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:03.960 But they were hoping to. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.640 Get a lot of information out because there had been 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.680 a gag order for the last two and a half 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.880 years and investigators were barred from sharing information or releasing 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.040 anything not only to the public, but to the victims' 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.039 families as well, so they have been in the dark. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.680 I watched an interview with one of the families who said, 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.719 we don't even know how many times our daughter was stabbed. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.360 We don't even know where she was stabbed, we don't 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.359 know how long it took. They want to know these details. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.760 I know it sounds macab, but when it's your child 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.640 and you want to know, you want to know what 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.000 happened to them. And many of these families they don't 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.520 know specifically know their child was stabbed to death. And 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:38.960 that's it. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.200 That's where it begins and ends. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.839 It's been three years, folks, and so much of what 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:50.040 happens in trials. Yes, prosecutors want to hold on to information, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.400 want to keep it out of the public, but when 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.440 the trial comes, all that stuff comes out. We're not 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.680 having a trial. So now we're wondering, and they are 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:02.719 pressing for prosecutors to start, like immediately releasing this information 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.960 so that they could finally get some closure, maybe some 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.000 finality with all this. But some families today do not 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.279 want this to be happening. They don't want a sentencing hearing, 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.560 they want information, they wanted a trial, they wanted the 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.640 death penalty on the table. Can't take issue with the 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.720 other family with however they feel right now. But today 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.680 is a very important day. He has an opportunity to speak. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.600 We don't know. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:28.640 If he will yes. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.839 And this is all happening at eleven am Eastern time. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.719 This is when the hearing is going to begin, and 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.800 folks have been lined up, people camped out overnight the 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.520 public to try and get into this trial. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.400 There is tremendous public interest. They say. There's at least. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.560 Fifty people deep waiting in line to get into that 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.599 court and have been for hours to see what happens today. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.560 But this is going to be live streamed. There are 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.480 reporters in the courtroom and we're certainly going to be 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.280 following it. And this may be so extensive that it 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.920 carries on until Thursday. So this could be a two 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.160 day sentencing hearing because the judge wants to make sure 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.240 every single person who wants to speak, who wants to 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.040 address Brian Coberger, gets the opportunity to and apparently there 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.880 are quite a few victim impact statements that the court 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:10.760 is expecting. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.040 I didn't see a list. Is there official count I 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:13.480 didn't see. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.240 I didn't see it either. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.960 I just know that they because it's just been they've 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.800 been expecting and some there. I think the family I 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.360 believe the family of Ethan he they said they will 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.520 not be there, and you know that's that's just such 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.920 a personal decision whether you could even stand to be 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.000 in that courtroom. And some people, some of the family 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.920 members say, you know, wild horses couldn't. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.640 Hold them back. They will be there and they will 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:33.600 be making statements. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.720 Coburger, I think he's been described. Yes he has autism. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.080 That was a recent diagnosis, but he has been described 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.200 in court and when he's just a soft spoke and 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.640 he doesn't seem to be a very outgoing individual. I 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.320 don't know how much that has to do with the autism, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.280 but the argument that that could have kept him from 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.320 from possibly getting the death penalty. The confusion, I say confusion. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.720 It's just he didn't know these kids. He was in 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:02.080 school nearby. I think I don't think it was more 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:06.000 than a twenty mile plus distance he was from, and 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.400 I don't have that right, but he was close by. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.880 I mean, he was going to another school. Why he 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.240 knew them, why he showed up, and why he did 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.680 what he did. He attacked two of the students, I 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.280 believe it was two women to the young ladies first, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.880 and authorities did come out at one point and say yes, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.840 it appears that he attacked and stabbed a couple of 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.080 them while they were still asleep. So the two that 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.720 were left, there were two other housemates, one of them 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.880 you mentioned saw him. I cannot imagine how they feel 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.400 and the answers now they want why were we spared? 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.920 That is going to be with them the rest of 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.679 their lives. So it is so key today. This is 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.679 important for these families to have an opportunity, but this 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.520 is a huge moment for these families for the rest 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.960 of their lives and how it's going to go. Is 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.960 he going to choose to speak? Folks? We still you 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.520 remember that case. The first question who is it? It 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.199 took him six weeks to find them, by the way 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.040 before he was arrested. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.160 Who is it why? So there is not even I 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.320 don't even see a lot of speculation, just makings why 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.880 would he do this? The four people he did not know? 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.079 Right, he was a PhD student, so a smart kid. 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.280 He might have been socially awkward and yes, recently diagnosed 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.840 with autism. But nothing makes sense, and that's why so 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.120 many people are so I don't want to use the 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.920 word fascinated, but perhaps it is a morbid curiosity because 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.040 people always and look, oftentimes, the why is never a 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.240 good enough answer. I've learned this. I know you probably 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.680 have two covering crimes for so many years. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.360 It's always the first. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.000 Thing families want to know, and frankly, everyone wants to 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.800 know why, and just oftentimes there isn't a good answer, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.000 and sometimes there's never an answer, and that's so hard 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.120 to accept a motive. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.120 This is completely mind bob. You remember how horrific it 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.280 was at the time when this happened to thinking, I mean, 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.679 there were all kinds of theories about who could it be. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.760 You remember the police told people for a while, you 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.040 know what, there's no threat to the public. You're cool. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.520 They came back later and said, you know what, remember 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:12.920 when we said that, we're not sure. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.199 Yeah, They're like, this was a targeted attack. No one 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.480 should be worried, look anyone. I mean, I have a 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.480 daughter going back to school in a couple of weeks. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.000 Every single parent who sends their child off to college, 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.720 it's it's such a scary time in life because you've 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.120 been protecting them, you've been around them, you've been guiding them. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.559 You know where they are when they're coming, when they're going, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.080 suddenly they launch off to school. And so yes, this 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.840 is every single parent's worst nightmare as they're sending their 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.679 kids off to college. What if they're not safe? What 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.640 if they're not protected? So for those police officers to say, hey, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.800 your kids are fine, there's no one on the loose. Yeah, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.960 it took six weeks and he was actually arrested at 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.000 his parents' home in Pennsylvania, driven. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.280 Across the country. He had driven cross the country home. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:55.400 I think didn't he drive with. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:55.880 His dad on that? 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.600 I believe, so, yes, yes, there are so many questions 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.320 and it actually look everyone wants to know. But actually 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.040 President Trump weighed in on this case earlier in the 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:18.120 week as well, And welcome back everyone to this edition 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.800 of Amy and TJ. We are focused on this sentencing 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.400 hearing that is happening today. All eyes are on a 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.440 courtroom in in Idaho. Brian Coberger is going to be 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.640 formally sentenced. He is going to be pleading guilty to 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.880 four murder charges. He is The sentencing has already pretty 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.480 much been determined. He's going to get four consecutive life sentences. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.000 He is going to prison for the rest of his life. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.320 But the big the big moment today could be if 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.240 we hear from Brian specifically. Everyone wants to know why 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.120 he committed these heinous crimes, stabbing these four innocent college 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.280 students to death while they were sleeping in their off 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.720 campus home. He's been linked to the attack, he's admitted 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.160 to the murders, and yet no one knows why they occurred. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.080 Yeah, this is I know, you're just talking about a 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.800 moment ago. It was six of them, right, six of 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.680 them living in the house, and you talk about folks 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.360 in their kids off to college and just the idea, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.120 that's exactly what Anna Lease experience her first year is school. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:20.320 How many were in that house? 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:20.560 Seven? 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.000 She had seven kids in a house? 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:23.520 Coming up this year is going to be how many 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:24.319 I think. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.080 She's doing six, five or six. But yes, it's a 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.120 big house filled with kids. You feel like they're safe, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.240 safety in numbers, they're else And there were boys and 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.520 girls in the house, so that actually makes me feel 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.000 safer to know she's got guys there. But that didn't 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.920 protect these kids on that night from Brian Coberg. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.079 Since sleep in the middle of the night, going to 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.840 a house people you don't know and kill them why 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.640 with just why why why? Why? Why? The family is 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.120 desperate for this answer. And you were talking before we 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.320 uh hopped onto that break that. Yeah, even the President 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.600 has chimed in on this and Robes the president is 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.880 having the same thought it seems the rest of us 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.440 are having. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:01.920 He certainly is. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.520 He has taken to truth social and he has put 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.280 out several statements. But one of them he said, I 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.320 hope the judge makes Coburger at a minimum explain why 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.000 he did these horrible murders. There are no explanations, there 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.319 is no nothing. People were shocked that he was able 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.960 to plea bargain, but the judge should make him explain 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.679 what happened. I mean that I think would have maybe 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.240 made some of these family members feel a little bit 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.560 better if the deal had been struck between prosecutors and 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.840 the defense. Okay, fine, you can plead guilty. We'll take 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.280 the death penalty off the table, but we want you 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.439 in open court to explain why you did what you did. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.719 I'm wondering why they didn't go that route, you. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.960 Know what, because maybe they didn't discuss it with the 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.360 family ahead of time, Right, did they get a say 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.920 in this? Oftentimes this is the case. Prosecutors are good 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.079 about this, and I'm not sure what they did in 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.720 this particular instance, but that had to be something. You know, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.000 families would have insisted. This is a part of the 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.439 plea deal. You gotta speak, Yeah, you got to tell 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.480 us what's happening. Short of that, I don't believe the 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.960 George the judge can order him to do anything. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.640 Well, I don't think the judge can either, but I 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.440 believe as a part of a deal, you absolutely could 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.679 have that be a condition and he could have taken 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.160 it lately or left it, and so I just I 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.360 really wonder why they didn't go that route, because that's 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.280 tough because a lot of legal experts will tell you 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.920 because his sentencing has already been determined, he's already going 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.440 to prison for the rest of his life, he really 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.720 doesn't have an incentive to speak. There's no reason why 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.640 he has to speak, and so if they're not into 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.200 rehabilitating him or even understanding him at this point, he 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.760 really doesn't have to say one thing. And so people 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.720 are saying there's a fifty to fifty chance that he speaks. Well, okay, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.520 anybody could say that, but I don't know that anything 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.880 he could say. Imagine I'm putting myself in the shoes 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.400 of those parents. I can't imagine there's anything he could 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.920 say that would make me feel any better or have 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.480 any more closure. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.400 About what happened to my child. I do know that. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.640 One of the girl's parents said, if he said he 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.080 was sorry, if he apologized, it would matter, It would 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.920 make a difference. It would feel like they got something 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.640 from him. But most folks are doubtful that is going 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:13.960 to happen. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.240 But anything could happen. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.240 And again, this we don't know at what point he 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.360 gets the opportunity to speak, or the judge will say, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:20.400 do you have anything to say? 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.680 It's right, it's the last thing, right before the judge 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:24.800 issues the sentence. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.040 And so if you're looking at and we're expecting quite 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.920 a few people to get up and give these victim 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.360 impact statements. And there has been some belief that this 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.600 may go into day two until tomorrow, so we may 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.600 not even he may not even get the chance to 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.840 speak or not to speak until tomorrow. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.040 But this is certainly going to be interesting. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.520 And I mean, my heart's actually beating fast imagining that 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.320 anticipation or waiting to see or waiting to hear or 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.280 wanting to know if he's going to tell me what 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:52.320 happened to my child? 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.080 What was the one I'm sorry you said? They said, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.960 I'm sorry. It would be worth something, right. I can't 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.000 remember the trial, we saw that too long ago. Where 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:03.560 the who Oh my goodness, I am getting Oh my god, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.360 I just got to overcome with emotion thinking about it, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.200 because you remember how messed up I was over it. It 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.640 was the the kid who was who had killed folk? 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:11.960 Was it? 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.560 Where was it? And one of the mothers of the 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.240 victim asked if she could go hug him? Yes, And 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.560 I saw that video. Oh my god, I'm thinking about 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.720 it now. I worked up about it because that was 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.560 such a powerful and emotional moment to see. So you 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.280 never know what works for one family might not work 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.040 for another. What works for one dad might not work 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.960 for the mom. What works for this in the same 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:38.680 family either. You don't know how this day and what 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.240 words could mean anything. These people have to live the 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.840 rest of their lives without two twenty year olds and 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.920 two twenty one year olds. That's how young these kids 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.960 were sleeping in the midnight and killed. So if I 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.000 am I don't know enough about his personality. I don't 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.880 think there's been anything other than the murder that people 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.920 come out and say he's so he's been malicious, he's 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.359 been vindictive, he's been you know, some killers taunt right 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.040 the victims family. He hasn't done that. But will he 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:08.880 go quietly? 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.040 What could he say? 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.960 Robes, I did it because blink, and you're just gonna 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.639 go whatever answer you give, it's probably gonna make you 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.200 feel worse like over that. For that, there's no justification, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:20.800 there's nothing. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:26.160 There's no justification what happened to those for young, bright 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.400 and budding students who were about to just go take 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.520 on the world. It's just it's so gutting and so 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.840 incredibly sad, and so perhaps, yeah, anything short of an apology, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.040 I don't know any weight it would carry or any explanation. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.240 Yet there is no explanation. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.560 You don't. Prosecutors have asked you talk about him speaking 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.159 to the family and saying something, but a fouled emotion 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:50.600 before today's hearing, asking for a gag order on Coburger 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.960 be continued, meaning he has been ordered not to try 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.560 to contact the victims' families. They want that extended for 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.840 about another one hundred years for whatever reason they stuck 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.640 that number in their ninety nine years. But they don't 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.440 want him any point ever to be allowed to torture 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:03.879 this family. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.399 Yes, and one of the family members spoke out and 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.800 said that they're the reason why they wanted the death 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.160 penalty and they wanted the trial is because they don't 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.320 want him to have influence over anyone. They don't want 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.560 him to have influence over other inmates. They said, this 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.719 is a bright person who is intelligent PhD student. They 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:24.160 don't want him to have a healthy and a rewarding 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.200 life inside of prison. I believe he said he considers 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.240 what Coburger is about to enter into is adult daycare. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.399 He said that's not good enough for me. My daughter 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.719 lost her life. He shouldn't get to go to adult 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.840 daycare and be interacting with inmates, writing reading. You know, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.679 he was even concerned he might write a book or 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.080 do something. So a gag order I think would certainly 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:50.000 help the parents and the family members of these students 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.479 feel a little bit better. You can understand that you 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.320 just wouldn't want this person who did what he did 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.560 to have any influence over anybody ever again, whatever that 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.000